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Monday Mini: Boomer Women and the Manosphere · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha, and welcome to Stephen
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  Speaker 1: never told you protective of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday, Minnie. That is gonna be annoying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know ilse to say this, So before we
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  Speaker 2: get into the meat of this conversation, please note this
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  Speaker 2: is not because we're gonna be referencing like a generation
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  Speaker 2: of the baby boomers or the boomers, and we're also
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about white women because this is very personal
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  Speaker 2: to me, not that I'm a boomer or a white woman, but.
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  Speaker 3: That I have a lot of people who are and such.
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  Speaker 2: But in fact I know that people the people we
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  Speaker 2: are talking about, we'll probably never hear this, and the
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  Speaker 2: majority of our listeners are tired of talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: But again, this is something that I needed to vent
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  Speaker 2: and think through because if you're from Georgia, if you
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  Speaker 2: were raised in North Georgia, then you probably have had
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  Speaker 2: an influx of boomer women, white women telling you why
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  Speaker 2: you were wrong. Because, as we've noted, people who have
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  Speaker 2: voted for Donald Trump or who would consider themselves MAGA
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  Speaker 2: really really feel like he's doing a great job. The
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  Speaker 2: amount of like people who refuse to say anything's different
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  Speaker 2: or wrong is unnerving, but just you know, just so
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  Speaker 2: that we know.
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  Speaker 3: Who we're talking about and why we're talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Again, This is very much in line with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that I had a very disappointing conversation with a family
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  Speaker 2: member and I needed to dissect it again. We kind
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  Speaker 2: of referenced this before on my happy hour previous happy
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  Speaker 2: hour and like how to kind of maintain relationships in
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  Speaker 2: this time. So we're going to kind of get into
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  Speaker 2: the meat of why. That was a big part of
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  Speaker 2: my conversations. So I want to tell you exactly the scenario.
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  Speaker 2: So at a recent visit, we were in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of discussing someone's dating life, in which my response was
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  Speaker 2: that they probably should not jump into anything too quickly
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  Speaker 2: and it would be good to be single for a while.
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  Speaker 2: So who I'm talking about is a man, because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that needs to be obviously referenced, in which
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  Speaker 2: I was like, they probably need to be single, going
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  Speaker 2: through really a lot of failed relationships in the past
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  Speaker 2: twenty years and just being like, hey, it's probably good
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  Speaker 2: to be single. And I say this as a person
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  Speaker 2: who was single most of my adult life until recently
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  Speaker 2: and realized very further and long further along in my
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  Speaker 2: adult journey that being single was not a curse. That's
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  Speaker 2: in fact, I was okay with that, and I learned that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing, and as great as my
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  Speaker 2: relationship is now because it is and we do handle things,
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  Speaker 2: I think pretty well for the most part, knowing that
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  Speaker 2: if for some reason, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but if some reason that.
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  Speaker 3: We were to break up or anything, I would be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Also the fact that I would not want to get
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  Speaker 2: back up a dating pool because that dating pool looks.
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  Speaker 3: Horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, going back to that, all of that, so
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  Speaker 2: I just reference made of sweeping comment kind of that,
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  Speaker 2: and it seemed to really push the button. The family
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  Speaker 2: member's defense for that person was this, do you know
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  Speaker 2: why the Lord created women? So that's how I was like, Oh, all,
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  Speaker 2: I said, at heded to be single, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's happening, And yes, this felt like a trap, so
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  Speaker 2: I hesitated, to which they responded with no, no, really,
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  Speaker 2: do you know why? And I needed this to be
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  Speaker 2: This is a public restaurant with several people around us
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  Speaker 2: that were having a different conversation, so there was no
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  Speaker 2: need for this because because like the way that even
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  Speaker 2: given the conversation came up was the fact that other
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  Speaker 2: people at the table were talking about this person's dating
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  Speaker 2: life and how he had fallen into another one that
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  Speaker 2: looked really suss. Everybody was like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: What's the beginning of this conversation too so and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I don't know why. And
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  Speaker 2: they responded with the to be helpers to men, to
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  Speaker 2: assist and be there for men men were lonely and
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  Speaker 2: needed a mate. Of course, my immediate response was, huh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the thing. Being me trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to de escalate this moment as well
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  Speaker 2: as get out of this moment because we're about to
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  Speaker 2: have an argument, and again the defensive myth came out
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  Speaker 2: and they responded with no, yes, this is the reason really,
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  Speaker 2: and of course I was like, I can't do this.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be bad.
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  Speaker 2: My response was to shut it down and reminded that
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  Speaker 2: this person, that this one person was jumping into relationships
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  Speaker 2: and have many failed relationships which formed detachments that are
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  Speaker 2: no longer around, which did shut down the conversation. But
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  Speaker 2: this unwarranted response really had me spiraling. It's been a
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  Speaker 2: week or so, a couple of weeks, and I'm still
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this conversation because I'm like why and with
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  Speaker 2: this I want and I need to think about. I
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  Speaker 2: went down like why why would we wh why would
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  Speaker 2: they bring this up? This is such a weird topic.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a woman obviously, and it just it's
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  Speaker 2: like it came.
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  Speaker 3: Out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: We were all kind of like laughing about not laughing
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  Speaker 2: at them, but like laughing at the scenario that it
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  Speaker 2: has caused. And they were like, oh, Samantha, you need
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  Speaker 2: to know this, you need to hear this. You won't
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  Speaker 2: believe this type of case. So I was like, what, why? Why?
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  Speaker 3: How did we jump into that?
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  Speaker 2: And then I started really thinking about how the information
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  Speaker 2: has come along and like social media and my fear
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  Speaker 2: of like older generations getting onto social media is already
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  Speaker 2: bad enough on hearing the news when we talk about
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  Speaker 2: Fox or a news nation and all those things, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like ooh or Max Newsmax rather and I was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: so what is this boomer generation hearing when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the minisphere and red pill ideology? So of course
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  Speaker 2: I have to do the sminty thing and start trying
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  Speaker 2: to find research. Right, Ay, this is what we do now, right,
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  Speaker 2: this is how we think now, And unfortunately it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to be a lot out there. I did see
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  Speaker 2: a few things about them saying that the red pill
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  Speaker 2: thing is good and as a reminder, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: red pill like I'm a submit ips like comes back
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  Speaker 2: from the red pill blue pill ideal with the matrix
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  Speaker 2: and taking the red pills and unlock and show you
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  Speaker 2: the truth.
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  Speaker 3: But like raging radical.
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  Speaker 2: Misogynists took that over as being like, no, let me
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  Speaker 2: show you the conspiracy theories about how feminism is killing
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  Speaker 2: children in life in general, like generalization right there. But
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  Speaker 2: essentially it's kind of that level, and the red pill
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  Speaker 2: led into like tradwives and led into like hegemonic femininity,
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  Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about at the end. Because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's a great phrase, all of that,
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  Speaker 2: but with all that, they were talking about it as
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  Speaker 2: if it's a good thing, so I was very hesitant
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  Speaker 2: to click on that. One of those happened to be
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  Speaker 2: I think an episode on a podcast and the title
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  Speaker 2: of it is Boomer red Pill, in that when they
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  Speaker 2: were listening off different subjects. So they kind of tackle it,
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  Speaker 2: says the Antichrist takeover of the Democratic but they put
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  Speaker 2: demonic cratic, so they put the Eni. Let you know who,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats are party by the new Left, So I
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  Speaker 2: think we know what that's about. And I was not
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  Speaker 2: about to waste my time nor give a.
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  Speaker 3: Click to that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, there's a lot that we have talked about
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to women, red Pill and a Manisphere,
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  Speaker 2: including different episodes about tradwives and just this recent episode
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  Speaker 2: with Bridget and it's easy to see that those from
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  Speaker 2: that generation, from that boomer generation, are probably primed for
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  Speaker 2: this more conservative ideals of tradwives and red Pills and manisphere.
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  Speaker 2: The generation that was taught that the nuclear family is
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate goal and anything less than that, less than perfect,
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  Speaker 2: means failing. So having the perfect house, having the perfect
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  Speaker 2: baked pie, like all of that level, I mean, really
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  Speaker 2: like the apron baked pie. You know what I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about is exactly what the red Pill in Manusfield look
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  Speaker 2: at as the good old days, So that is what
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about. But coming back to the Golden age essentially,
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  Speaker 2: so it isn't surprising to see that after years of progress,
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  Speaker 2: and change. Some of the boom moves are really relieved
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  Speaker 2: to see this familiarity, this nuclear family coming back on
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  Speaker 2: board as the new Yes, this is the new trend
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  Speaker 2: we need to be on And here are some thoughts
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  Speaker 2: from therapists dot com about it. Quote Silent generation parents
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  Speaker 2: which apparently are the generation before the Boomers, and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think about that. I was like, oh, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. The baby Boomers often with strict rules, high expectations,
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  Speaker 2: and less warmth and affection. We now know that strict
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  Speaker 2: authoritarian parenting style is linked to children developing anxiety, low
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  Speaker 2: self esteem, and social difficulties later in life. Many boomers
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  Speaker 2: grew up in a time of economic prosperity and social
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  Speaker 2: change with the rise of consumerism and the influence of television.
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  Speaker 2: They experienced significant cultural events like the Cold War, the
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  Speaker 2: civil rights movements, and the rise of rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: These experiences shape their values, attitudes, and perspectives of life, work,
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  Speaker 2: and family. As they entered adulthood, Baby Boomers often prioritized
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  Speaker 2: career success and material wealth. They were known for their
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  Speaker 2: strong work ethic and competitive drive. However, this focus on
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  Speaker 2: achievement also led to high levels of stress and burnout
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  Speaker 2: for some. So that level of like is such an
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  Speaker 2: interesting dichotomy that they grew up in such a progressive era,
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  Speaker 2: which we wouldn't even think is progressive because we're still
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  Speaker 2: finding that same, but that so many people have such
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  Speaker 2: harsh pushbacks. And I'm saying that in the perspective again
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  Speaker 2: of the South, old South white Appalachia families. Old South,
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  Speaker 2: and I say applation because that's close to us, but
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  Speaker 2: old Southern areas where segregation was prevalent until pretty much
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  Speaker 2: now honestly sundowntown still exists. And to add to that,
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  Speaker 2: some statistics from the site, and I thought that we
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  Speaker 2: very interesting because it does I think it kind of
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  Speaker 2: points to yeah, this makes sense. So they say they
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  Speaker 2: make up a large portion of the population. This is
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  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four. Baby Boomers were the largest generation
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  Speaker 2: in the US until Millennials surpass them in number. Data
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  Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty census shows us that there are
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  Speaker 2: approximately seventy three million baby boomers in the US. US
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  Speaker 2: Census Bureau data from twenty nineteen shows baby boomers make
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  Speaker 2: up approximately twenty two percent of the population. They're less
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  Speaker 2: diverse than the overall population. According to the twenty fifteen Census,
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  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of baby boomers are white, which was
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  Speaker 2: interesting to me. Seventy five percent of the baby boomers
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  Speaker 2: are white, they held more traditional gender identities. Baby Boomers
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  Speaker 2: have seen the transformation from the solent generation traditional values
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  Speaker 2: to the more progressive attitudes of Generation X millennials and
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  Speaker 2: Gen Z. A recent poll shows that the lgbtqia plus
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  Speaker 2: identification goes up with each younger generation. Of the baby
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  Speaker 2: boomer generation, only two point six identified as lgbdqia plus
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  Speaker 2: compared to the twenty point eight of Gen Z. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversations about coming out and who
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  Speaker 2: felt they could and who have died before they could.
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  Speaker 2: That was also added into but that is something to
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  Speaker 2: know because yes, they also fear coming out. Still, their
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  Speaker 2: views on sexuality are still evolving. A twenty eighteen p
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  Speaker 2: Research Center survey found that only twenty seven percent of
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  Speaker 2: boomer's believe same sex marriage benefits society. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: thirty two percent think it's detrimental and forty percent it
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  Speaker 2: has no impact. Only twelve percent personally knows someone who
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  Speaker 2: uses gender neutral pronouns. Why should that so random? Statistic
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  Speaker 2: to put in but you know that makes sense too, right,
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  Speaker 2: maybe because just because they don't want to tell them
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  Speaker 2: who knows. Also, it says less than a quarter of
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  Speaker 2: them pursued higher education. Only twenty two percent of boomer
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  Speaker 2: men and twenty percent of boomer women completed at least
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  Speaker 2: four years of college education. And then they talk about
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  Speaker 2: the wealth. That's well, that they had a lot of wealth.
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  Speaker 3: So it goes on.
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  Speaker 2: They played a significant role in shaping the modern American
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  Speaker 2: economy in suburban's expansion, Baby boo boomers have controlled more
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  Speaker 2: than fifty percent of households wealth in the US since
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. And that's according to Federal Reserve data. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so looking at some of those stats, and in this conversation,
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  Speaker 2: of course, this is that same conversation that millennials and
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  Speaker 2: now gen zers are having about like, no, we could
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  Speaker 2: not afford a house like you could. Interest rates has
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  Speaker 2: gone up thanks to Reagan, we have lost control of
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  Speaker 2: being able to get money in any way or any
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  Speaker 2: kind of infrastructure like you have made sure to vote
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  Speaker 2: this way in order that the rest of us cannot
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  Speaker 2: have what you had. So the amount of wealth that
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  Speaker 2: went to anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Was to you.
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  Speaker 2: And then you took it away with this bullshit about
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  Speaker 2: trickle down economy. But again, this is that level of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this makes sense as to some boomers, especially from the South,
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  Speaker 2: especially white people, have always been on the side of
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  Speaker 2: red pill, that modern idea that if we just do
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  Speaker 2: it this way like the old days, you can be
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  Speaker 2: successful without acknowledging everything else that went terribly wrong. So
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  Speaker 2: with looking at these statistics as well as their upbringing
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  Speaker 2: and idealization of the past, it's not too hard to
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  Speaker 2: understand that boomer generation may be more more than willing
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  Speaker 2: to push that narrative. Like they they've done well. They've
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  Speaker 2: done well in this level of what they thought was
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  Speaker 2: good days, and white women specifically have always been the
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  Speaker 2: backbone of many of the movements we've talked about those
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  Speaker 2: for all the movements, including white supremacist movements. Here's something
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  Speaker 2: from red Pill Women, Heterosexual Fantasies and Misogynistic Spaces by
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hobanks and y'all her paper. Y'all should go read it.
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  Speaker 2: It's very long, but it hits on a lot of things.
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  Speaker 2: She writes, women's involvement in conservative and white supremacist movement
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  Speaker 2: is far from new in fact, white women have historically
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  Speaker 2: played pivotal roles in these ideologies long before the advent
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  Speaker 2: of contemporary social media. The historical roots of women's involvement
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  Speaker 2: in white supremacists and conservative movements in America has been
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  Speaker 2: documented in movements such as anti suffragism, the resistance the
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  Speaker 2: Equal Rights Amendment, and the klu Klux Klan, in which
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  Speaker 2: women played key roles in organizing, recruiting, and disseminating ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these movements, such as the KKK, excluded women
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  Speaker 2: from men's groups. However, as Bushetta and Power to researchers note,
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  Speaker 2: these exclusions allow them to construct their own discourses and
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  Speaker 2: practices independently challenging gender power dynamics. Women's involvement in the
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  Speaker 2: menisphere and online anti feminist movements is therefore a contemporary
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  Speaker 2: extension of the longstanding historical pattern of white women's active
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  Speaker 2: participation in right wing and white supremacist movements. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna break that down because i
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  Speaker 2: feel like that's self explanatory, and we've talked about this
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  Speaker 2: many times and again, I'm not saying all white women,
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  Speaker 2: but this does explain to me a lot more in
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  Speaker 2: this conversation about the white women in my life, not
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  Speaker 2: you any of course, and many of those that I
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  Speaker 2: know that are not in the Moon generation, but those
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  Speaker 2: that who have taught me and at in this level
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  Speaker 2: of like, why would you do this? This doesn't help you,
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  Speaker 2: this doesn't empower you. Are you truly happy? In so
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  Speaker 2: many so much contact, and Bridget does a wonderful job
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  Speaker 2: talking about the influence of white women in the conversations
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  Speaker 2: like these as well as in our recent episode about
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  Speaker 2: the ev magazine. So you should definitely listen to that
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  Speaker 2: because we are talking about how powerful these types of
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  Speaker 2: conversations are. And then when it comes to white women
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  Speaker 2: specifically who play leaderships in these roles even though they're
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to play leadership in these roles. And so
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  Speaker 2: to kind of backtrack on that story, after that conversation,
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  Speaker 2: it was obvious that we were all uncomfortable, and I
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  Speaker 2: walked away going, yeah, so I'm not coming home anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: But then obviously weighed on them as well. So they
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  Speaker 2: sent me a text with a video link about trying
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  Speaker 2: to explain this to me, and now the video in itself,
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  Speaker 2: I have had this conversation as a Christian when I
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  Speaker 2: was way back when about how if someone representing you
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  Speaker 2: this kind of is that ideal, if someone representing you
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  Speaker 2: actually does represent your ideals, that you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: be the forefront leader in that. So that's wonderful in
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  Speaker 2: that idea that men, if they are truly godly men,
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  Speaker 2: as they would say, they would actually do for the
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  Speaker 2: benefit of everyone, and you being a helper and being
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  Speaker 2: behind him and you know, pushing him on and great,
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  Speaker 2: all good and well. So that kind of narrative was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of see what you're saying, and they said,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I explained this right, and I used
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  Speaker 2: the wrong words in their response. But then as I
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  Speaker 2: looked to the page that they sent me to, it
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  Speaker 2: had very right winged, misogynistic content at below. Also, they
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  Speaker 2: were tokenizing I believe a Muslim woman as to agreeing
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  Speaker 2: with some of these and I don't think it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: I think they just like aied her or like copy
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  Speaker 2: pastes from a different page to make it look like
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  Speaker 2: she was agreeing with all the content on there. That
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  Speaker 2: I was like, are you trying to show your diverse?
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  Speaker 2: Are you trying to partel like you're showing your diversity
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  Speaker 2: in this when you also have right wing people who
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  Speaker 2: are talking about, you know, women don't have orgasms, they
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  Speaker 2: only have sex to have children and police men. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: what is this? So again, this is where I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I was correct. She is getting some information from
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  Speaker 2: very right winged conservative ideas that would be considered a
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  Speaker 2: part of the manisphere or red pills. And I want
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  Speaker 2: to go on to another bit from Hopeanks. How she
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  Speaker 2: talks about hegemonic femininity, as I mentioned earlier, so unlike Connall's,
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  Speaker 2: so she has obviously a lot of research in this paper.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to name some of the things and
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  Speaker 2: you can go back to look at her paper as
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  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, But unlike Connall's nineteen eighty seven emphasized femininity,
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  Speaker 2: which is largely about compliance. Hamilton argue that hegemonic femininity
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  Speaker 2: involves active participation in upholding not just gender inequality, but
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  Speaker 2: also other access of domination such as race and class,
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  Speaker 2: which is what we're talking about. Intersectionality, I guess, discrimination.
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  Speaker 1: Level, yeah, intersexual discrimination.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So they continue on. Hamilton defined hegemonic femininities as the
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  Speaker 2: most celebrated cultural ideals of womanhood in a given time
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  Speaker 2: and place that serve to uphold and legitimate all axes
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  Speaker 2: of oppression in the matrix of domination. Simultaneously and again
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  Speaker 2: goes on. Women who embody hegemonic femininity benefit from the
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  Speaker 2: femininity premium individual advantages over other women, as well as
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  Speaker 2: collective benefits derived from their privileged positions within other systems
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  Speaker 2: of dominations, such as whiteness and class privilege. In Western
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  Speaker 2: society's femininity premiums might include access to privileged partners and
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  Speaker 2: the ability to enforce standards of sexual respectability over subordinate femininities.
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  Speaker 2: And lastly, the pursuit of hegemonic femininity, despite its detrimental
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  Speaker 2: effects on women as a group, can be understood as
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  Speaker 2: strategic bargain that offers specific women personal advantages, which, compounded
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  Speaker 2: with the collective class and race benefits from which they
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  Speaker 2: may already benefit, contribute to intersectional domination. Hamilton argue that
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  Speaker 2: these women are not cultural dopes, but instead actors strategically
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  Speaker 2: navigating for an advantage. Okay, so this would be the
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  Speaker 2: prime of what we were trying to talk about with
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: ev magazine, which is owned by a woman who says
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: women should not be leaders or CEOs, but is CEO
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: of our own company?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think that's like hit the
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  Speaker 1: nail on the head of a lot of what we've
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: been talking about, especially with Bridget because even Candice Owens
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it narrowed in on here's this business side can make
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: money from. So I do think like, sometimes it is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: completely internalized. Sometimes it's a completely understood strategic choice. Sometimes
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's both. But I do think like people know, oh
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I could I will really benefit from this privilege, this privilege,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: this privilege.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I hate the word, but this would be
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  Speaker 2: in today's terms, the ultimate pick me mm hmmm, in
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that every way, knowing that they've got these advantages and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: if they can at least submit to the most powerful,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: they'll be second most powerful and that's good enough. But again,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this whole is there's so much to be said about
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this article or this paper written by Home Banks, which
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: thank you, because it's an amazing paper. Obviously I've just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: gotten to the like meat of it. Well again, we
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: probably need to cut. We do need to come back
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and do a whole episode about this idea of hegemonic
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: huminity and what it represents and why it's so dangerous. Again,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: as I was saying earlier, women are really the backbone
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of all these movements. I don't think it could have
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think it could be as powerful as it
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was if it weren't for other women. Like Moms for
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Liberty really did a number in what we see today.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And it turns out she's gone through a whole The
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: founder is going through a whole thing, and no one
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: cares because it's kind of taken in the life of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: its own. But with these two combining factors from what
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing with the baby boomer generation and the idea
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of hegemonic huminity, it isn't too hard to see how
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: easily these narrative is adopted by that generation. Again, they
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: were pried for it when we talked about like trilla
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: ways and like celibate culture, all of these It is
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: based on these old school ideas way back when when
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: we talk about the beginning of like anti abortion moves,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until the fifties sixty seventies that really came
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: out as like wait, what, why do you care?
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: What's happening? So there's a lot of levels to this thing.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And even though I could not find it because again
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: it may just be oxy moron to say that is
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the minisphere of influence, But I've seen the difference, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I've talked about this with you, ay, and I've talked
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: about this with my partner and other people, the difference
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: of where some of my family members were ten years
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: ago versus today, and the hope I had of like
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: things changing and at least them being compassionate and empathetic
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to this again that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, we're not gonna talk for.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: A while, Like I'm gonna need a break because this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is dangerous points where like we're gonna end up ruining
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the relationship. But it never like I will always be
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: there for my family, of course, no matter what. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: there are gonna be things that I no longer trust you,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and I stopped trusting you for a while on some
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of these things. And these are like, because you will
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: not hear me when I say I am petrified for
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: my well being because of these things that you have
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: voted for. And then the fact that you really don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: see as a big deal because at least you're getting
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: yours is what your thoughts are, and at least it's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: not you like without hearing me. But all of that
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to say, and then putting that cap on with but no,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this is the better, this is why it's better, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: then bring in these theories that have been regurgitated now
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and now welcomed.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It's the thing.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I, like I said, I was having
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: trouble and finding a lot of information, especially if like generationally,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: if it's different and how well we've talked about like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the older generation is being really susceptible to misinformation disinformation,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: but we are not talking about it as much as
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: we've talked about like the younger generation, because that's all
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: like it's very obvious.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: We talked about like.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: The young kids, the young gen z men being really
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: disappointing in that they're listening to people like Joe Rogan
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and the suche and Charlie Kirk who's on that on
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that page that she said me but like stuff like that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: that is the reaction, Yes, that is the correct reaction.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But a lot of these things like it's concerning and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I hate that. That's how I see them a lot
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of the older generations.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Love so hard, but of course it seems like you
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: hate just as hard. You just don't call it hate.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: You now call it like Bible or religion, and that's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: really disappointing. But yeah, if y'all have something, if you
• 25:37
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• 25:40
  Speaker 2: like I said, our listeners are like, that's not me.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I know, we know it's not you. I've gotten but
• 25:49
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• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the people who have ever commented or talked to us
• 25:55
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• 26:03
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• 26:06
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• 26:08
  Speaker 2: us on what how this has become such an okay
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• 26:16
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• 26:19
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• 26:21
  Speaker 2: like what just happened?
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