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Bonus Episode: The Assassin's Ring, Air Force Brats, and Clear Demarcations · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: into this bonus episode, Hey Disco, need a little more
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Speaker 1: the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to
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Speaker 1: call the after party. This is the show after the show,
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Speaker 1: the party after the party of the bridge to get
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Speaker 1: you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other,
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Speaker 1: the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this episode,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about our classic April Fool's episode on
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Speaker 1: John Denver. The sources we used for this episode which
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Speaker 1: helped us uncover a crazy story about how the guy
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Speaker 1: who sang take Me Home, Country Roads may have taken
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Speaker 1: a dark secret to his grave. Not really, but sir,
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Speaker 1: and of course your voicemails, text, dms and more, and
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Speaker 1: as always, a whole lot of rosie. All right, disc goes,
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
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Speaker 1: September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty four, December twentieth, nineteen ninety one.
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Speaker 1: What are all three of those dates have in common?
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Speaker 1: If you answered the loss of American trust in its institutions,
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Speaker 1: then ding ding Ding, you are going to win a prize.
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Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, was, of course, the
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Speaker 1: date that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. September twenty seventh,
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four was the date that the Warrant Commission's
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Speaker 1: report was made available to the public, where on a
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Speaker 1: panel of seven public officials declared that the gunman, Lee
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Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald acted entirely alone when he shot President Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: And December twentieth, nineteen ninety one, was, of course the
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Speaker 1: date that Oliver Stone released his masterpiece JFK, a film
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Speaker 1: that presents New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's theory on
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Speaker 1: the assassination that directly refutes the Warren Commission's findings. The
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Speaker 1: murder of the thirty fifth President of the United States
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Speaker 1: was captured on film famously, and once the horrifying image
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Speaker 1: of his death and of his glamorous wife scrambling over
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Speaker 1: the back of their open air Lincoln continentals to gather
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Speaker 1: bits of his exploding brains. Once that incredible imagery faded,
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Speaker 1: we were left able to further analyze the assassination in
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Speaker 1: comparison with what our government was presenting as fact. That
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Speaker 1: one gunman was responsible for this awful event, and that
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Speaker 1: he was perched above the president when he shot his
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Speaker 1: antiquated single bolt action rifle, and that even though he
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Speaker 1: was positioned behind the president, his bullet entered the President's
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Speaker 1: body from the front, forcing it, as Jerry Seinfeld said
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Speaker 1: to America repeatedly on February twelve, nineteen ninety two, back
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Speaker 1: into the Left, a phrase also that the band Texas
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Speaker 1: Is the Reason would later nail in song on their
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Speaker 1: album do You Know Who You Are? In nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 1: and by the time most of us were rather born
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Speaker 1: or old enough to be consuming and understanding pop culture,
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Speaker 1: it was a well known fact that not only was
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Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald not the lone gunman, but that our
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Speaker 1: government lied to us about it with the Warren Report,
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Speaker 1: and that they continue to lie to us about the
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Speaker 1: murder of what could have been our most transformative leader.
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Speaker 1: And to take it even further, it's a likely fact
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Speaker 1: that not only did our government lie to us about
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Speaker 1: this event, they were likely responsible for it. Two of
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Speaker 1: these three things the government lying about JFK's killer, the
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Speaker 1: government continuing to lie to us about JFK's killer. These
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Speaker 1: are facts. The third thing the government being responsible for
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Speaker 1: the murder that as of yet has not been irrefutably proven.
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Speaker 1: But let's be real. Even though we don't have video
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Speaker 1: proof of it like we do to dispute the lone
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Speaker 1: gunman theory, the facts get us to about ninety percent
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Speaker 1: certainty that the CIA worked with the MATH and likely
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Speaker 1: other interested parties to successfully pull off an American kupdeta.
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Speaker 1: But at this point in my life this is less
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Speaker 1: interesting to me than the fact that the American government
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Speaker 1: asked us to disbelieve our own eyes. Pay no attention
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Speaker 1: to what you see in that footage of the president
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Speaker 1: being killed, No believe what we tell you. Instead. Many
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Speaker 1: of us didn't, of course, see Oliver Stone and pretty
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Speaker 1: much anyone born after the World War two generation. But
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Speaker 1: almost all of us are compliant. What are we going
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Speaker 1: to do? Not trust the government is what we're going
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Speaker 1: to do. They lied to us, then they lied to
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Speaker 1: us about Vietnam and Cambodia afterward, and Iran Contra and
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Speaker 1: weapons of mass destruction, And they lied to us over
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Speaker 1: and over again throughout the last three administrations. And it
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter who our leaders are in the future, our
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Speaker 1: government will continue to lie to us, and we will
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Speaker 1: continue to not have faith in our biggest, most powerful institution.
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Speaker 1: That is old news. That's interesting, but it's not super
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Speaker 1: interesting to me, I get it. What is very interesting
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Speaker 1: to me, and given my age and my generation, is
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Speaker 1: that there ever was even a time at all when
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Speaker 1: people did trust the government. That is kind of shocking
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Speaker 1: to think of. I think how cynical that is. By
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Speaker 1: the way, that most people won't believe you if you
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Speaker 1: tell them that between the years after World War Two
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Speaker 1: and before the Kennedy assassination, that America existed in relative
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Speaker 1: consensus and that the majority of Americans trusted the government
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Speaker 1: as much, if not more, than any other institution. How
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Speaker 1: cynical is it that I can't even really imagine that time.
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Speaker 1: I can't even really fathom it. It's hard for me
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Speaker 1: to believe. And we have the jfk assassination to thank
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Speaker 1: for this lack of trust, and personally, this lack of
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Speaker 1: trust is what makes it possible for some dickhead like
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Speaker 1: me to tell you a story that is wildly unbelievable,
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Speaker 1: a story that musician John Denver was the most decorated
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Speaker 1: sniper in American military history, and that he was one
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Speaker 1: of the other gunmen besides it's Oswald on that day
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Speaker 1: in Dallas in sixty three, and that you guys believed
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Speaker 1: that craziness even though at the beginning of the episode,
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Speaker 1: I state right there that the episode you're about to
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Speaker 1: hear is satire, yet still you believed it. Still I
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Speaker 1: got you, almost all of you, of course, And that
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Speaker 1: this story, even when stripped of ninety percent of its
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Speaker 1: context and boiled down into a seventy five second reel
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, that it's still got people. Don't feel bad.
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Speaker 1: I believe this unbelievable story too when I first heard it.
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Speaker 1: It's almost as if we've all been trained to not
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Speaker 1: believe our own eyes, just like the government asked us
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Speaker 1: to do with the Warren Commission.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back in a flash.
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Speaker 1: All right. You might be asking yourself, you know, why
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Speaker 1: did I believe this story? Or you might be sitting
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Speaker 1: there going, oh, we thought you made up this story
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Speaker 1: about John Denver being a decorated sniper in an assassin
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Speaker 1: in the JFK assassination. I'm gonna give you a little
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Speaker 1: background here on how this story came to be. What's true,
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Speaker 1: what's not true, The reason this story is actually believable
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Speaker 1: in such a great April fool's joke is that parts
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Speaker 1: of it are legitimately true. Now I heard the fact
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Speaker 1: about the part about him being the most decorated sniper
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Speaker 1: in the history of the American military. That part of
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Speaker 1: the story I did not make up. That was an
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Speaker 1: old wives tale. I don't know where I heard it.
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Speaker 1: I probably heard it at a party in high school
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Speaker 1: or in college and sort of the pre ubiquity of
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Speaker 1: the internet era, and it was just one of those
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Speaker 1: things that you couldn't disprove in the moment before you know,
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Speaker 1: cell phones and all that, but you know it is
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Speaker 1: out there. If you google John Denver Sniper, you will
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Speaker 1: get returns that are, of course not correct information. It's
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Speaker 1: just this wild conspiracy theory. It's meant to be a gag.
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Speaker 1: It's not meant to be any sort of harmful thing,
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Speaker 1: and it's a fascinating, fascinating conspiracy story. It's one that is, just,
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Speaker 1: like I said, so unbelievable that it makes you want
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Speaker 1: to kind of believe it. However, the reason that it's
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Speaker 1: so unbelievable is that there are truth to John Denver's
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Speaker 1: background that support this story. His father was in the
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Speaker 1: Air Force. John Denver did grow up an Air Force,
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Speaker 1: an Air Force brat. I believe his father was one
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Speaker 1: of the first, like the first class of Air Force
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Speaker 1: when the Air Force was established post World War Two.
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Speaker 1: His father was one of the first airmen. I believe.
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Speaker 1: I believe that to be true. I could be wrong,
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Speaker 1: but like I said, that part of the story is true.
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Speaker 1: So I thought, Okay, how do I research John Denver
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Speaker 1: and how do I go into his past and how
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Speaker 1: do I figure out find other elements, true elements of
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Speaker 1: his story that can help support this incredible narrative that
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Speaker 1: he was an assassin, and not just an assassin in Vietnam,
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Speaker 1: but perhaps an assassin in the JFK assassination, because again
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Speaker 1: to the truth of it, you know, there were multiple
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Speaker 1: gunmen who shot at JFK, and there are you know,
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Speaker 1: e Howard Hunt, who I mentioned in the story, is
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Speaker 1: rumored to have been one of them, although I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily believe that. I believe he was there that day,
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Speaker 1: and there may in fact be images of him being
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Speaker 1: arrested on that day, but I don't think he was
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Speaker 1: actually one of the gunmen. Was he was little that
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Speaker 1: was a little bit below his pay grades. So the
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Speaker 1: question of who the gunmen were besides Oswald remains, and
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Speaker 1: there's of different theories. There were there were Corsicans who
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Speaker 1: were flown in by the mafia, but there's also the
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Speaker 1: theory that they were they were military men. C I A, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's the theory that I believe. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: a mix. So you know, why not John Denver anyways,
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Speaker 1: and there's there's so that's you know that part of
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Speaker 1: it is true too from the JFK perspective, right, that
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Speaker 1: there were these multiple snipers. I think you can't look
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Speaker 1: at the the evidence of JFK's assassination, like I said
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Speaker 1: earlier in the B Block and walk away thinking that
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Speaker 1: there was only one gunman. So if it's true that
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Speaker 1: there were multiple, it stands the reason I guess, in
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Speaker 1: some fantastical alternate reality, that John Denver was one of them.
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Speaker 1: Now there's other pieces, obviously. I tell the story of
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Speaker 1: John Denver as a musician, UH in his coming up
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Speaker 1: and his coming up on the West Coast sort of
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Speaker 1: folks scene. The difference between the folks scene in the
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Speaker 1: West Coast from the folks scene in the East Coast.
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Speaker 1: UH him coming up with David Crosby and the Birds,
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Speaker 1: and that beef between John Denver and David Crosby that
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Speaker 1: actually happened. That was true, That was real.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: The bit about John Denver chainsawing his bed in half
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Speaker 1: for his wife, that is true as well. That is
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Speaker 1: something that I uncovered in my research of John Denver,
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Speaker 1: and that flies right in the face of who John
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Speaker 1: Denver was, and if we were doing it just a
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Speaker 1: straight John Denver story, that unbelievable, holy shit moment would
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Speaker 1: definitely be part of it. John Denver did actually die
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Speaker 1: in a plane crash his own plane. He did not
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Speaker 1: allow himself to crash, to overcome his guilt and his
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Speaker 1: shame and to put an end to and all that.
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Speaker 1: Of course I made up and was part of the
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Speaker 1: April Fools joke. So you know some of the sources
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Speaker 1: here that I used going to get into these It's
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Speaker 1: been a long time this episode came out. It was
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Speaker 1: the second or third year of the show of the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. It came out a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 1: I think it came out in twoenty twenty if memory serves,
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Speaker 1: And I don't really have a lot of strong insight
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Speaker 1: into these research sources here. I simply have the list.
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Speaker 1: Let me see if anything jogs my memory is I
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Speaker 1: read them John Denver, Okay, yeah, John Denver, The Untold
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Speaker 1: Story of a Vietnam Sniper by Loretta's Spilt. This must
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Speaker 1: be the article that I that I found on the
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Speaker 1: Internet that that kind of makes the case that he
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Speaker 1: was a Vietnam sniper. That is just you know, false
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Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain, high priced home. That's where I get the
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Speaker 1: details on John Denver's massive seven thousand square foot Aspen mansion.
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Speaker 1: Had to do a lot of research into how snipers
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Speaker 1: actually work, because I don't understand any of that now.
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Speaker 1: At the time that this episode came out, there was
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Speaker 1: this time in modern American history where there are all
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Speaker 1: these JFK documents that were set to be released and
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Speaker 1: Trump looked at when he was president. He looked at
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Speaker 1: some of them and he was like, Nope, I'm not
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Speaker 1: not releasing these. And I was like, ah, I can
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Speaker 1: use that. I can use that as part of the story,
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Speaker 1: again using the truth to help tell the fantasy. I
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Speaker 1: did a lot of research on cias their kill squads.
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Speaker 1: There was an article I read called the CIA's Worldwide
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Speaker 1: kill Squads by Roy Norton. You want to learn more
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Speaker 1: about that Trump and the JFK assassination files, There was
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Speaker 1: an article called Trump holds some JFK assassination files back
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Speaker 1: set's new three year deadline. I'm sure we've passed that
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Speaker 1: three year deadline since then, and they still haven't been released.
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Speaker 1: I did read a John Denver biography, and I don't
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Speaker 1: have it listed here in my list of sources, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm not sure which that was. Excuse me,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that was. Which book that was?
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Speaker 1: So just you know, the thing that makes this John
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Speaker 1: Denver think so believable is who John Denver was as
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Speaker 1: a character. He was this very docile, peaceful, just kind
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Speaker 1: of chill guy. He wasn't quite a hippie, but he
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Speaker 1: was like a He was of the hippie generation, someone that,
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Speaker 1: you know, the hippie's parents could get be behind. You know,
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Speaker 1: John Denver two. It's worth mentioning here. You know, we
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Speaker 1: probably because he died and he didn't get to really
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Speaker 1: maintain his own legacy and cultivate it, we I think
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Speaker 1: we've forgotten just how famous and popular he was. He
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Speaker 1: was literally one of like a handful, like top five
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Speaker 1: most famous entertainers on the planet in the nineteen seventies,
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Speaker 1: like it was him, Sinatra and Elvis, maybe Barbara streisand
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Speaker 1: and I don't know, perhaps Robert Redford in the seventies.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who would fill that fifth slot.
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Speaker 1: But he was that big and just totally mainstream TV specials,
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Speaker 1: huge albums year after year after year, massive singles, and
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't really like any of it.
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Speaker 1: I am not a John Denver fan. I know because
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Speaker 1: of his fame and his cultural impact that a lot
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Speaker 1: of you are, and that's cool, but just never spoke
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Speaker 1: to me on any level at all. Really, I just
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Speaker 1: thought he was Even as a kid watching him on
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Speaker 1: the Muppets, I didn't think he was particularly interesting, But
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Speaker 1: you know him as a sniper in Vietnam I'm in Anyways,
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Speaker 1: he was huge. That's the point I'm trying to make massive,
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Speaker 1: wildly famous, and that that was a point I wanted
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Speaker 1: to make, and I'm not sure I really did. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to get that across. It's hard for people who
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Speaker 1: were younger to truly understand just how popular he was,
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Speaker 1: but his vibe his image was this real kind of
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Speaker 1: like peaceful, pastful environment pacifist excuse me, environmentalists, and you know,
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Speaker 1: and that's what makes it makes the story so compelling
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Speaker 1: that he was a sniper. Another interesting sidebar here is
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Speaker 1: that the same rumor exists about mister Rogers, he too
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Speaker 1: rumored who had been a sniper. The reason that he
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Speaker 1: always wore those long sleeved cardigans supposedly was to hide
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Speaker 1: all his tattoos for the war. But you know that
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Speaker 1: never happened, all right, clearly, perhaps again, this is an
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Speaker 1: April Fools thing. We re released it this year. It's
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Speaker 1: been a couple of years since it first came out.
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Speaker 1: I got a bunch of you new listeners. I'm thankful
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Speaker 1: that you're here. Please forgive me. It's probably also worth
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Speaker 1: mentioning that we've we've done another April Fools episode. It's
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Speaker 1: in the archive. I'm not going to mention about what
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Speaker 1: it is, but it's there and you might stumble upon
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Speaker 1: it in the archive, and if you do, go easy
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Speaker 1: on me. I'm just playing. Not everything has to be
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Speaker 1: super serious and super dark, and I think you know
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Speaker 1: that about me. Six one seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 1: six three eight to let me know, either on voicemail
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Speaker 1: or text, what you thought of the John Denver episode,
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Speaker 1: or really just to catch up on anything. Six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight I'm here
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Speaker 1: for We asked a lot. I thought the van Halen
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Speaker 1: episode last week prompted a lot of compelling questions in
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Speaker 1: the after Party bonus episode that we did on covers,
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Speaker 1: best covers, covers that are better than the originals, best
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Speaker 1: guitar players. All that, let's check in with some of
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Speaker 1: your answers from last week's question. This one comes from
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Speaker 1: the seven three to two. Hey, Jake, Mark from New Jersey,
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Speaker 1: just listening to the van Halen episode.
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Speaker 2: Amazing as usual.
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Speaker 1: Only cover that I think might be better than H's
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Speaker 1: over Roy is Springting's Jersey Girl over Tom Waits.
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Speaker 3: Might you forget who sang the original?
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Speaker 1: That makes it a better cover?
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Speaker 3: And that first man?
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Speaker 1: You know as much as I love Tom Waits, Mark,
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Speaker 1: and I really do, I really love Tom Waits. I
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Speaker 1: think if I could be any musician of all time,
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Speaker 1: it would be Tom Waits. That's a good question. We'll
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Speaker 1: get back to that, But I agree with you. I
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Speaker 1: think Springsteen's version is better, and uh, I think Tom
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Speaker 1: Waits might even tell you that as well. It was
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Speaker 1: certainly better for his bank account, that's for sure. All right,
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Speaker 1: Let's check out another voicemail here, this one from the
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Speaker 1: six one five on the same subject.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, this is Robbie from the six one five.
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Speaker 3: I am calling with probably the most obvious best cover song,
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Speaker 3: right the one that took over the original. It's got
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Speaker 3: to be Hurt, Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt from Transversion.
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Speaker 3: There's there's nothing nothing that compares right so much towards
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Speaker 3: you know, trans like that's not my farm anymore. That's
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Speaker 3: Johnny's song. Take care man Sea.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, six one five. I agree with you. That's a
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Speaker 1: great example Hurt by Johnny Cash. And and and you know,
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Speaker 1: we obviously have to credit Johnny Cash for the performance,
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Speaker 1: but we got to credit Rick Rubin for the for
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Speaker 1: uh producing that song. And I don't know how much
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Speaker 1: he actually produced it other than suggesting it. But the
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Speaker 1: vulnerability in Johnny Cash's voice at that point in his career,
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Speaker 1: at that point of his life, excuse me, when he
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Speaker 1: sings that song is just it's overwhelming, and it does
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Speaker 1: something different to the composition that just wasn't there when
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Speaker 1: Trent Reznor performed it It's It's really fantastic six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine six six six three eight to hit me
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Speaker 1: there was an interesting question that just just got prompted
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Speaker 1: there when we were talking about Tom Waits. And I
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Speaker 1: used to be a musician. I don't really count myself
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Speaker 1: as one anymore. I mean, I'll always make music on
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Speaker 1: some level, but I'm not. I don't want to confuse
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Speaker 1: what I do with what other people do, and do
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Speaker 1: very very very well. So I used to think of, like, God,
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Speaker 1: if I could be any musician in the world, who
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Speaker 1: would it be? And and Tom Waits was always at
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Speaker 1: the top of my list. I thought he was just
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Speaker 1: I thought he was like this God, He's just so holy,
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Speaker 1: unique and original and talk about covers right, and talk
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Speaker 1: about making things your own. Not that Tom Waits was
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Speaker 1: this massive cover artist in any way. He wasn't. But
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Speaker 1: he took uh, he took Americana, he took country and
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Speaker 1: blues and jazz and early pop music, and he took
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Speaker 1: all of that and blended it into something completely his own.
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Speaker 1: And I just I just was I am. I remain
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Speaker 1: completely blown away by it that level of originality, and
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Speaker 1: yet it's still completely compelling and listenable. It's not just,
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Speaker 1: you know, unique to be unique, original to be original,
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Speaker 1: it's something that speaks on a universal level. And I
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Speaker 1: always thought, God, if I could be anyone, it would
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Speaker 1: be Tom Waits, if I could be any musician. That
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Speaker 1: is not that I want to be anyone else. I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty hap being me. But the question remains, if you
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Speaker 1: could be any musician, who would it be? Six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine was six six sixty three eight. We'll get
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Speaker 1: back to that in a minute. I want to do
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Speaker 1: a couple of texts here as well. Again on this
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Speaker 1: Covers issue two four eight Rights in Thin, Lizzie's cover
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Speaker 1: of Whiskey and the Jar is more than a great
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Speaker 1: cover in the vein of Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower,
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Speaker 1: but a complete evolution of the very old folk song
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Speaker 1: made famous by the double NRS Rick from the two
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Speaker 1: four eight I would have to agree, great song, great, great,
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Speaker 1: is just in my head for about two weeks, can't
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Speaker 1: get it out. Six four six, Rights in Hey, Hope
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Speaker 1: to your podcast on John Denver, you mentioned Santo Trafficante
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Traffic Conte was from Tampa. Carlos Marcelo
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Speaker 1: was in New Orleans. Many historians link Ah. Many historians
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Speaker 1: link Marcello to the assassination of RFK and Doctor King
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Speaker 1: Go Nix, good call six four six my mistake. You're
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Speaker 1: I was listening to the bonus episode of the van
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Speaker 1: around today, and I'm out Mickey later, Mickey, Mickey, thanks
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Speaker 1: for the thanks for the recommendations, ask and I shall receive.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, all right. Jacqueline from the six ZHO
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Speaker 1: two rights in Hey, the Atari's cover of Don Henley's
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Speaker 1: Boys of Summer is far superior to his original. Jacqueline,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I agree with that. I really
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Speaker 1: love Boys of Summer and I know that cover. It's good,
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Speaker 1: but superior, I don't know. I think you just like
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