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Aleksander Czeszkiewicz- Limitations of Science with Spirituality/Occult · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: You?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 4: This episode, we got a bunch of rejects with us
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  Speaker 4: and a returning guest, Alexander. It was an awesome guest
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  Speaker 4: the last time we had him on, and I really
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get him on again. And we already got
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  Speaker 4: other topics for him to talk about, so this should
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  Speaker 4: be fun and get used to it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be on again.
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  Speaker 4: But before we introduce him, let me introduce the rejects.
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  Speaker 4: We got Julia back with us today. What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Julia? It's great to see you again.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Nick.
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  Speaker 6: I am meeting Alexander for the first time today, so
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  Speaker 6: excited to be a part of the conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, of.
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  Speaker 1: Course, thank you. And we got Ethan in to go.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on, sir?
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  Speaker 7: Peace on earth, honor to be here with everyone.
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  Speaker 8: Great to learn what Alexander as said today, and I'm
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  Speaker 8: on all the usual social media easy to find.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Nick, everyone, of course, no, thank you for making
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  Speaker 1: the one man. And we got my boy Tyrone. What
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  Speaker 1: is going on, sir? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 9: This is like the fourth or fifth time. And then
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  Speaker 9: talk to Alexander. It's always a pleasure to U intelligent.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah right, it's very It's always an awesome UH time
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  Speaker 9: to you know, sit back and listen to what he
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  Speaker 9: has to share from his UH through his journey of
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  Speaker 9: educating himself.
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  Speaker 2: And so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 9: Everything you can find on myself is on rebirth athword
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  Speaker 9: of History that's on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I knew that.
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  Speaker 9: Some people would forget. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate her.
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  Speaker 9: I appreciate that. I got Ethan's book right here, how
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  Speaker 2: You got to get his book, And.
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  Speaker 9: Then of course I got Alexander's but I got that too.
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  Speaker 1: But I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to get it started.
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  Speaker 1: Elliet, No, thank you. I'm glad you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad you joined us and we got the Headless Giant.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on, budd Hey?
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  Speaker 10: You doing?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody?
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  Speaker 11: It's beautiful Saturday. I'm glad to be on here with
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  Speaker 11: Aleis Andrew. He sounds like a legend. I can't believe
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  Speaker 11: those out on Thursday nights. So check that out.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 11: Helly, Trialogus tomorrow with Ethan, so it's gonna be good.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, definitely check out the trialog And if you
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  Speaker 3: Hey boss? What's up? Mister ninety three?
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  Speaker 12: Okay, So if you want to follow me, I'm at
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  Speaker 12: said it for, so yeah, that's happening. And then also
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  Speaker 12: thank you so much for inviting me. And then also
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  Speaker 12: is my second time speaking with Alexander, and I want
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  Speaker 3: Thank you of.
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  Speaker 4: Course, no, thank you, And people definitely go check out
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  Speaker 4: his gret latch stuff. I highly suggested before we introduce
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  Speaker 4: the guest, though, I did want you to bring up
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  Speaker 4: I had mentioned before about the free stickers with Headless.
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  Speaker 4: I got free stickers for people if they want any.
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  Speaker 4: If you can see them too well up there, I'll
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  Speaker 4: as well that I'm selling to try to help with
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  Speaker 4: the events that we have.
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  Speaker 1: That'll list real quick.
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  Speaker 4: We gotta have a bunch of events that the occult
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  Speaker 4: rejects will be at. Tyrone will be there at most
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  Speaker 4: of them, and hopefully some other rejects might show up.
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  Speaker 4: But the other one's fingers crossed. October fourth, we got
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  Speaker 4: a big Foot thing at the Factory and Franklin, North Carolina,
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  Speaker 4: we'll be there. October eighteenth, we got Charlie's Beyond Belief
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  Speaker 4: and that is in Fort Myers, Florida, and it's at
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  Speaker 4: the Masonic Lodge and we are booth number thirty three.
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  Speaker 4: I had to pick that one, so yeah, they let
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  Speaker 4: us pick up boots. I was like, of course, I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna pick thirty three. You know, it's either that at seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, we got that booth and that's yeah. October
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  Speaker 4: eighteenth and Fort Myers again Charlie's Beyond Belief. And then
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  Speaker 4: October twenty fifth and twenty six will be in Arkansas
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  Speaker 4: and that will be at the Paranormal Expo. It's supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be like the biggest yearly thing for the paranormal
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  Speaker 4: in Arkansas. That is two days will be there then.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's one confirmed for the twenty second that
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  Speaker 4: is another UFO thing, and that will be in Mooresville,
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  Speaker 4: North Carolina at the Army National Guard. There's two other ones,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't have definite addresses, but those are definitely
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  Speaker 4: will have a booth that Tyrone will probably be at
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  Speaker 4: most of them, except for maybe the Arkansas thing. Jewels
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  Speaker 4: may make it from he said, you know, he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: try to make it. He lives not too far away,
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, fingers crossed. There will be a few other
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  Speaker 4: rejects there besides me. And these are old cheap events
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  Speaker 4: are like ten or fifteen dollars each, so even if
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  Speaker 4: you don't like us, you could show up to tell
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  Speaker 4: us to go fuck off for ten books so or
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  Speaker 4: even put it this way, they're so cheap that if
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  Speaker 4: the speakers suck, you could just hang out with us
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  Speaker 4: at the booth for a while. No, there you go,
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  Speaker 4: so regardless, I think it's worth it if you're in
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  Speaker 4: the area. Now, I'm gonna shut up and we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: bring on Alexander and real quick.
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  Speaker 1: He did send me his book. Very nice guy. He
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  Speaker 1: sent me a wait, I'm gonna close this note table.
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  Speaker 1: There we go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, send me this book. I just got it a
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  Speaker 4: few days ago. That's what's up. We're going to check
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  Speaker 4: it out. Thank you, Alexander, and please let everybody know
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  Speaker 4: what your deal is for the people that don't know
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  Speaker 4: who you were.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, my name is Alexandroshkevich and I'm from Poland. I'm
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  Speaker 10: we would say, researcher, and I'm an author. This book
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  Speaker 10: that I've sent you, originally in Polish, was written by
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  Speaker 10: me just at the age of seventeen, and then because
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  Speaker 10: of the law, I needed to wait until the eighteenth
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  Speaker 10: birthday to publish it. So it was published first in
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  Speaker 10: Poland at my age of eighteen, and then I translated
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  Speaker 10: it into English at nineteen. So it was many people
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  Speaker 10: say early journey into all of that, but still it's,
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  Speaker 10: you know, a full book, no like just some short
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  Speaker 10: crap like nowadays Amazon and other platforms are flooded with
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  Speaker 10: some short AI crab. Note it was even before the
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  Speaker 10: age of I think two years or three years I
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  Speaker 10: ago appeared, So it was before that and my first
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  Speaker 10: interest was history, lost history, how it really turned out?
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  Speaker 10: Lost civilizations? Could there be something before you know, the
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  Speaker 10: alleged first civilizations like Ancientsummu, Egypt and India. But I
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  Speaker 10: went beyond it because in order to understand history you
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  Speaker 10: need also other branches of science, and a lot of
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  Speaker 10: knowledge from other sources, other types of knowledge, not only
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  Speaker 10: historical ones. So I branched out, and I would say
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  Speaker 10: that nowwadays, I'm concerned with the biggest mysteries of the
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  Speaker 10: entire universe, existence, whatever you may call. And that's why
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  Speaker 10: in the previous episode we talked about lost civilizations and
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  Speaker 10: stuff like that about my book. But in this one
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  Speaker 10: we'll talk a little bit about science, about universe, about reality,
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  Speaker 10: how it all works, How science, like in the title
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  Speaker 10: of our conversation, is limited to a very large extent.
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  Speaker 10: What does it mean, what does it imply? And many
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  Speaker 10: other stuff. But I will also talk about history today.
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  Speaker 10: It wouldn't be only about science. And actually, when I
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  Speaker 10: started going, because as I mentioned, I started with history,
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  Speaker 10: I was going into plenty of competitions. I even had,
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  Speaker 10: you know, some kind of places like top ten in
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  Speaker 10: these competitions, which were regional, like an entire district of Poland.
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  Speaker 10: And I needed to learn a lot, a lot about
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  Speaker 10: our history. And when I was reading that, learning that,
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  Speaker 10: I started questioning stuff, is it really like that was
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  Speaker 10: ancient summer? Really the first civilizations? And why are we
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  Speaker 10: why are sciences skeptics telling us that, you know, any
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  Speaker 10: idea of previous civilizations or humanity being much older than
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  Speaker 10: ancient summer. It's ridiculous, according to them. So I started
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  Speaker 10: researching and researching, and in order to find out why
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  Speaker 10: they are thinking like that, that no, Atlantis didn't exist,
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  Speaker 10: and the lemuria is some sudo scientific bs and so on.
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  Speaker 10: I ended to learn about science. I needed. I needed
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  Speaker 10: to learn about history from philosophical perspective, you know, the
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  Speaker 10: methodology behind history, how we know so much about our
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  Speaker 10: history and so on. So that's how I started to
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  Speaker 10: be interested in science because I found out that science
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  Speaker 10: is very very misunderstood nowadays, at least in general public
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  Speaker 10: and science seems in all I would even say propaganda
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  Speaker 10: or in all types of promotions of science seems to
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  Speaker 10: be like a pristine method of uncovering the truth, the
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  Speaker 10: real truth about the world. And anything besides science, as
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  Speaker 10: I mentioned, is called pseudoscience, some you know, crop, some
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  Speaker 10: kind of scum and so on and so on. So
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  Speaker 10: this science is being positioned in the media, in the
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  Speaker 10: educational system, and in our day to day lives. As
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  Speaker 10: you know, the ultimate method of discovering, let's say truth.
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  Speaker 10: This is how science is present to us, and how
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  Speaker 10: many people believe science is and you know, we learn,
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  Speaker 10: we learn more about science, how it can actually tell
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  Speaker 10: us a lot about the physical universe, or it is
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  Speaker 10: in the blink on the blink of discovering the ultimate
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  Speaker 10: theory of everything, of how the entire universe and reality works.
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  Speaker 10: But the saying was there, I think since the eighties
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  Speaker 10: are sixties and we are in twenty twenty five, so
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  Speaker 10: you know, it's another thing. But this is the picture
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  Speaker 10: that we are being you know, informed about it. This
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  Speaker 10: is the only thing that's that comes to the truth.
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  Speaker 10: And if anyone isn't a scientist, his cameraudo science is
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  Speaker 10: so parascientists even and all of those people are saying
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  Speaker 10: or are telling people this is all bs and not truth,
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  Speaker 10: and only science has, I would say, the monopoly on truth.
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  Speaker 10: And I think that this is the bad thing about science.
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  Speaker 10: Science should be about, you know, getting the knowledge about
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  Speaker 10: the world, going to the truth or to the information
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  Speaker 10: that is true that you know is represented truly in
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  Speaker 10: the reality. But science is becoming a monopoly on knowledge
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  Speaker 10: and this is a bad thing. And you know, in
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  Speaker 10: the Western world, so because I come from Poland, so
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  Speaker 10: a little bit still Eastern. We have a lot of
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  Speaker 10: Eastern influences here, or we had in the past, and
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  Speaker 10: I would say in the Western world at least nowadays,
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  Speaker 10: maybe not in the past. Science is only the science
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  Speaker 10: we are talking about, you know, scientific research, scientific journals,
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  Speaker 10: scientific articles, physics, biology, chemistry. But here in Poland, up
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  Speaker 10: until today, the word science in our language is nauka.
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  Speaker 10: And this world, which is science, does not mean the
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  Speaker 10: science like biology, physics and all of these genres of science.
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  Speaker 10: Now it means just acquiring knowledge. So here in Poland
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  Speaker 10: with still have I think the best definition in my
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  Speaker 10: opinion of science that science should be about acquiring knowledge.
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  Speaker 10: You know, if let's say right now, I had no information,
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  Speaker 10: not knowledge about anything, and I was just living sitting here,
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  Speaker 10: I know, previous information, no memory, and I would want
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  Speaker 10: to start from scratch. I wouldn't assume anything. I would go, okay,
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  Speaker 10: this is like that, let's see, let's experiment and so on,
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  Speaker 10: and it would be free one. And this is how
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  Speaker 10: science actually started. But then step by step I think
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  Speaker 10: it became more and more limited. And I will show
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  Speaker 10: you today why it became more and more limited. And
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  Speaker 10: as I mentioned this example that I'm sitting here and
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  Speaker 10: I want to get the knowledge about the world, the truth,
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  Speaker 10: let's say, or just how the universe existence around me is.
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  Speaker 10: I wouldn't assume anything that, Okay, only white exists, but black. No,
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  Speaker 10: only white things exist. No, I wouldn't assume that. If
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  Speaker 10: I wanted the truth about the entire workings of our reality,
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  Speaker 10: I wouldn't say, oh, only let's say organisms, living organisms exist,
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  Speaker 10: but you know, analife, stuff like rocks there doesn't exist. No,
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  Speaker 10: I wouldn't say that. But actually science is based on
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  Speaker 10: something like that. And this is called assumptions of science.
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  Speaker 10: So the main assumptions, as I mentioned, assumption can be Okay,
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  Speaker 10: if I want to discover the reality, I would say
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  Speaker 10: one assumption reality exists. Because if I assume that reality
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  Speaker 10: doesn't exist. So what I am searching for, what I
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  Speaker 10: am measuring, let's say what I am experiment about, it
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  Speaker 10: would be logical. So we need some assumptions. We cannot
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  Speaker 10: have zero assumptions. This is the philosophy of science. But
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  Speaker 10: science started having more and more assumptions as it grew.
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  Speaker 10: As I mentioned, the first one would be just things exist,
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  Speaker 10: and let's say, you know, I will try to figure
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  Speaker 10: out what the entire reality is all about. But then
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  Speaker 10: science are quite more introduced, actually more assumptions which were
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  Speaker 10: more and more limiting. And just as you know, things exist,
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  Speaker 10: I am limiting the idea that things doesn't exist, that
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  Speaker 10: it is all illusion, et cetera.
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  Speaker 11: But that hither so you're talking more about theory of science. Right,
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  Speaker 11: So science, right, the philosophy of science goes into the stuff,
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  Speaker 11: but it gets rarely examined by the general public. They're
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  Speaker 11: not thinking about philosophy of science. They're looking at the
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  Speaker 11: end goal of it, and instead they've ignored the beginning
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  Speaker 11: part of it.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, exactly, that's what I'm talking about. That you know,
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  Speaker 10: we are giving this image to the general public that
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  Speaker 10: science is all about discovering the truth. But I'm what
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  Speaker 10: I want to show you, all of you that science
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  Speaker 10: actually at its philosophical core, isn't about that that we think. Oh,
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  Speaker 10: science is about understanding the reality or about acquiring the
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  Speaker 10: knowledge of truth and so on and so on. No,
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  Speaker 10: And as I mentioned, the first assumption, with things exist,
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  Speaker 10: it should be needed in order to get the things,
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  Speaker 10: you know, to measure the things, let's say, and do
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  Speaker 10: anything with them. So I am first limiting that, Okay,
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  Speaker 10: things cannot non exist. Let's say it cannot be that
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  Speaker 10: there is nothing in the universe because we see, okay,
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  Speaker 10: things exist. But then there are limitations and other assumptions
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  Speaker 10: in science, like for instance, naturalism, are sometimes called materialism,
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  Speaker 10: but to be precise philosophically, for skeptics, it is called naturalism,
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  Speaker 10: and it says that all the natural things, so all
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  Speaker 10: the things we see naturally that are occurring in our
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  Speaker 10: reality have natural causes. So in short, there is nothing
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  Speaker 10: supernatural in the world. There aren't supernatural causes of natural things.
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  Speaker 10: Like the best example would be some kind of mythology
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  Speaker 10: in which you know, thunderstorms are being created by some god.
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  Speaker 10: But now we have science which explains how thunderstorms appear
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  Speaker 10: in the world, and we see that it isn't that
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  Speaker 10: there isn't any supernatural cause. So science now with these
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  Speaker 10: assumption is limiting itself. Okay, only things in matter, only
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  Speaker 10: things natural exists, nothing supernatural. This is the best example
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  Speaker 10: of that. And I said naturalism or materialism, because it
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  Speaker 10: is further described that only what exists in what exists
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  Speaker 10: is only matter in its interaction. So what we see
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  Speaker 10: is the domain of stuff that science is applied to
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  Speaker 10: Science is only applied to the natural world and only
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  Speaker 10: to matter and its interactions. So interactions would be some
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  Speaker 10: forces of matter, magnetism, electromagnetism, actually gravity, and all the
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  Speaker 10: fields because they are also dependent on matter. There cannot
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  Speaker 10: be filled without matter. Always there is matter in this equation.
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  Speaker 10: So what we see is, let's assume things exist. There
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  Speaker 10: is something universe, world, reality, the thing. But now we
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  Speaker 10: are closing the gap of knowledge. Let's say our initial
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  Speaker 10: gap was everything that exists. We are measuring things because
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  Speaker 10: we see. Okay, I have a hand, so I'm measuring
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  Speaker 10: things that exist. I have some kind of desk here
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  Speaker 10: and so on. But now we are limiting ourselves. Okay,
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  Speaker 10: only matter and its interaction exists, which, in my opinion
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  Speaker 10: is stupid and in my opinion, cannot show us the
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  Speaker 10: automat truth because what if the truth is non physical,
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  Speaker 10: non material? What if it is beyond the domain. It's
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  Speaker 10: like we have the biggest bubble, which would mean like
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  Speaker 10: the entire existence all the things that exist, but we
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  Speaker 10: have inside of it a smaller bubble of only natural world,
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  Speaker 10: only matter and its interactions. And science is only applied
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  Speaker 10: to this, and then another assumption, which I do not
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  Speaker 10: agree is, and it's a funny one. It is sometimes
• 17:50
  Speaker 10: called rationalism that everything that is within science should be
• 17:56
  Speaker 10: understandable by humans or let's say some kind of logical thing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 10: So there is nothing, let's say, irrational completely or there
• 18:05
  Speaker 10: is nothing beyond our human understanding, which I am also opposed.
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: And I think that science can actually debank itself on
• 18:13
  Speaker 10: this one because we see and for instance, evolution, I
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: believe that we are more than just material human beings.
• 18:20
  Speaker 10: This but there is these advanced animals, advanced hominis, advance monkeys. However,
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: I think that we have also some kind of part
• 18:29
  Speaker 10: of our brain, maybe it's even the dominant one, that
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: is material part of thinking. And what science is trying
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: to explain is that all that everything that science applies
• 18:40
  Speaker 10: to can be understood by this by let's say, our
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: brains are minds, are biological kinds of mind. And I
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: see a quick debanking of it in science because we
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: see that how minds, how brains evolved, They evolved to
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: fit evolutionary purposes. So they evolved in order for a
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: part two color organism to survive, let's say humans. So
• 19:03
  Speaker 10: I say to myself, just speculating what if our human
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: minds are not capable of getting to the automat truth
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: because this ultimate truth was not needed for us to survive.
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: We have let's say, a bit much a bit more
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: advanced brains or logic, et cetera than other animals, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: not all because other are more advanced like dolphins in
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: other kind of brain and mind things. How what I
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: mean is that, you know, we are a bit more
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: advanced that we can speculate about the universe, we can measure,
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: we can create stuff and put this stuff into space,
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: let's say, But what if still we are limited that
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: just by using our brains and material biological minds, we
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: wouldn't be ever, you know, into searching for the automate truth.
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: So I see, even science by the evolutionary branch and
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: all of the advanced can a bit of the bank that
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: this idea, this primary notion, primary assumption in how the
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: science works, in the philosophy and all the fundamentals of science,
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: that you know, everything should be based on rationalism. And
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: I think, what if the rational mind wasn't there to
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: explain the truth about the universe, but what it was?
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: If it was just for us to survive and to
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: get better, and you know, to dominate the world and
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: to dominate the other species, because probably this was why
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: humans evolved in this route and not the other. So
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: these are the two main assumptions of science that are
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: limiting it from the idea of getting into truth, getting
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: into knowledge about the universe too, getting only the logical
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: parts of the assumption of rationalism and getting only the
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: material part of the physical universe. So we see, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: this is the image that is often overlooked when it
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: comes to media, when it comes to you know, learning science.
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: Science isn't about the automatruth. But is this only about
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: how the material world here rationally logically works here only
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: in the material physical realm, which is I think a
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: good tool because sometimes if I want to focus, let's
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: say I want to repair a car, I don't need
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: to know, speculate and think of the entire universe. No,
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: I need to have the applied knowledge on how to
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: repair a particular car, engine or anything that there is
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: in this car. So the engineering knowledge and the same here.
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: If we want to discover the best way how the
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: physical universe work, we will have to apply science, which
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: is all about the physical material world and we will see, Okay,
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: biology works like that, physical reality works like that. These
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: are the loss of Newton, These are the loss of
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: the universe. But we will be still limited and we
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: want get the knowledge about the big picture of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: entire thing spirituality and why this is important. It's important because,
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: as I mentioned at the beginning, science is at least
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: since you know, the famous event of the world. Why
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: I won't say, I don't want for to be taken away,
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: but from I think this was the epogeum of this propaganda,
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: I would say that science is the only way we
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: should you know, thing when it comes to living here
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: as human beings, that science is the only route, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: science according to this, Yes.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: Have you ever heard of Parmenides, the leader of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: Eleatic school in So he's the guy who comes up
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: with ontology, which is the rational basis for science. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: he got there by going on a massive trip, right,
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: maybe a drug trip, maybe some sort of spiritual trip.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: But he goes outside of his body and he witnesses
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: this queen of the Night and she tells him that
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: a equals Hey, there cannot be no non contradiction in
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: the universe. And he's getting this from a spiritual vision,
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: and that's the basis for science. So when you understand
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: the irony of all these scientists saying we can't go
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: back to the basis of science for our science now,
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: it's kind of ridiculous.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I was actually going to say something like that headless,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: because it seems like to me, science now is basically
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: just removing any spirituality whatsoever.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Like I get it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: We have a physical brain and we use it to
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: like wipe our ass and like go to the grocery store.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: But there is so many levels to that. You have
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: your mind, which.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: You get information all the time that is not from
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: you sometimes and you wonder, like how am I able
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: to process this? Where did I come from before I
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: was born? That doesn't come from your physical brain, That
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: comes from somewhere outside of yourself. So it's like science
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: has completely removed the beautiful spiritual connectedness of everything.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: Yes, these are two great ideas, great examples, and I
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: wanted to go into the spirituality a little bit further
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: because this is, you know, connecting what I've just talked
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: about with the spirituality kind of thing. But let's say
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: about the monopoly on knowledge. This is the bad because nowadays, science,
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: as I mentioned at the beginning before explaining all of this,
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: is saying us only science can lead you to the
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: true knowledge about anything. But actually, as I mentioned, here
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: are the limitations of science. So what if I am
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: going beyond the domain of where the science is applied,
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: then you know, science eliminate that two scientists, This is
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: a scam, This is some kind of grift et cetera, hoax,
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: And this is the bad thing that science is having monopoly,
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: because I understand that science could have monopoly on the
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: material world because of all of their achievements. Let's say
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: they figured out how, you know, the physical laws, et cetera. Okay,
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: they may have they may be the leader in this
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: kind of domain, but you know, they are going into
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: what is outside of their domain. And I often laugh
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: about you know, science is telling us things about spirituality
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: or something, but actually spirituality, God and plenty aspects of
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: religions are you know, not in the domain of science
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: for science to comment it. So, actually, spirituality, any kind
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: of metaphysics, metaphysics, meta beyond physics. It is all beyond
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: the bubble of domain where science is applied. So science
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: actually should not comment at all about that. Let's say
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: I'm the mechanic, you're the biologist, and I know things
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: about the mechanical stuff. Okay, this is maybe a bad
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: example because I can tell you about the mechanical parts
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: of our bodies, but I do not know shit about
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: you know, biology, cells and everything, and it would be like, oh,
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: I'm a mechanic, and I would tell you now you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: wrong about being by biologists. No, it is not about sales,
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: mito hundred and stuff like that. So actually, anything metaphysical
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: spiritual should be from definition that I mentioned, from the
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: philosophy of science, outside of the domain of science. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: in my opinion, science should not have any kind of dominion,
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: any kind of monopoly on knowledge, because knowledge can exist
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: outside of science. It can be knowledge of the things
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: that are just outside the physical world, and it connects
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: to spirituality of course, religion, and you know the thing
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: that all science explains everything in the physical world. We
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: do not need any kind of religion. We can be atheists.
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: And I think I mentioned it at the end of
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: the last conversation about my little conspiracy theory of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: entire world and how it works. I think it's a
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: step by step process of limiting our spirituality, ending in
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: going in getting us as human beings into a complete
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: physical like getting us into the physical realm, blocking us
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: from anything spiritual mystical, out of physical metaphysical, and you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: maybe later turning us into robots. You know, all the
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: trends humanism, agenda and so on. I think that this
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: is one of the steps, and I think it goes
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: it manifests throughout the entire history that we started, let's say,
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: with just spiritual beliefs, then the first shamanism and so on,
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: then religions, but still for instance, first religions where polyteistic.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: They explain that, oh there are plenty of different forces
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: of nature that those people thought were gods, etc. And
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: then you know, we are being more and more limited
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: when it comes to our spirituality, like closed in a
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: smaller and smaller cage. Let's say the first stage was
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: just pure spirituality, than shamanism, closer cage. Then polytaistic religions,
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: so still plenty of possibilities, but then limited also by
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Brahmans for instance in India and other you know kind
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: of priests in other religions. Then monotistic religions, so only
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: one god all the other gods do not exist, or
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: all the other forces and gods and stuff are bad,
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: et cetera. And this thing that there's hell and heaven
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: and you need to think like that and act like
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: that in order to go to heaven. So the next limitation,
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: and the furthest limitation, would be, Okay, there is no spirituality.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: There isn't heaven or hell. You die, it's over. You
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: do not have any psychic abilities. There is nothing out
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: of physical, there is nothing spiritual. And I think it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: and coming. And the last stage of that, as I say,
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: a little bit conspiracy theory. I do not know if
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: it is correct, but there are plenty of arguments for it,
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: and I think the next step would be okay, people
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: are so manipulated even right now, but maybe, let's say
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: in ten twenty fifty is into believing that there's only
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: the physical realm, there is nothing spiritual. They you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: gave up and the idea of spirituality. Now let's close
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: them in some kind of robots machines connect them by
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: chips in their brain, and and someone, and now we
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: are fully limited from who we really are. At a
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: bigger picture, we are more and more limited. And then
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: we are just just biological machines or part biological machines.
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: Even at this point, we are part humans, part of
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: course some kind of technology AI, and we are the
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: most limited. So this is my take on it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I'm on board with that. I think I think that
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: that could be very true.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: Also, I think that they target your different parts of
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: your brain with pharmaceuticals, and everybody's on some kind of
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: fucking pharmaceutical these days. So talk about shutting off your spirituality.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: A lot of like antidepressants, antipsychotic medication, the active ingredient
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: is fluoride. They put it fluoride in your water, You
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: shower with it, brush your teeth with it, wash your
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: clothes in it. Then you take antidepressants that further calcifies
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: your brain. And then we wonder how we got to
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: like non spiritual. I'm just you know, going along to
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: get along. It's because they're actually inducing like a pharmaceutical lobotomy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: and that's that's where we're at. I think that they
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: would love to see us as robots because they were
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: more easy to control.
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: Yes, Also to add to that, it doesn't need to
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: be like things we eat or we take some drugs,
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: but it can be also first one, propaganda and making
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: us from little kids into only the left analyticological part
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: of the brain. And you mentioned lobotomy. There were some
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: kind of experiments of you know, how right hemisphere is acting,
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: how left hemisphere is acting, and when they cut us
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: out of the left hemisphere, this time people were having
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: you know, spiritual things all the time. They even couldn't
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: feel where there is a boundary between them and the
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: outside world. They're like, couldn't you know, and they couldn't analytically,
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: logically thready thing at all. So I think that they
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: won't also ask by just you know, practice practice, practice
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: stimulating left side, left side of the brain, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: killing any kind This was actually I think clearly shown
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: during the Cold War postmodernism, you know here in Eastern
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: Europe to just you know, everything gray, nothing you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: fun and nothing artistic, no artistic expression. You should be
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: just like calculator, just you know, do MAVs do physics
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: or learn to be a lawyer when it comes to humanity,
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: but you know, you do not have any artistic expression
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: and so on. And I think this is the part
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: that even for propaganda, we do not need to eat anything.
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: They can you know, get us like ninety percent into
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: the left hemisphere, and we are very limited because even
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: we are not using the full capathacities of our brain.
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: And maybe this right side of the brain is much
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: more connected to spirituality or other parts like the pineal
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: gland and you mentioned calcification by fluoride and other stuff.
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: But also nowadays we are in an age that they
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: can go into two routes. One, they can analyze how
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: the brain a few works, like you know, put a
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: headset on you and check out to seventy percent about
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: according to them, what you think or what you are
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: thinking about approximately maybe not the entire thing you visualize
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: and all the information, but they can, you know, predict
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: what you are thinking about. So they can control you
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: in this way. But they can also control you in
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: a different way that you know, for instance, by putting
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: electric signals in your brain. Then they can like trigger memories,
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: They can trigger certain thoughts about okay, I'm hand, grail
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: will go to eat something, and so on. So maybe
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: you know, future technology could easily not like we've advanced something. No,
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: just with current technology make some implants into your head
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: or maybe with some nanotechnology that you are not even
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: aware of and enable it to put advertisements in your mind.
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: You know what I mean. To some extent, I think
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: that our imagination is actually connected to something beyond the
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: physical one. But I think that they can dominate your
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: brain easily. And if they dominate constant simulation, in constant
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: stimulation on or when we are in the survival state,
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: we are not thinking about the universe and stuff like that,
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: how it works about philosophy. Now we are shrinked, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: I think that this is the technology that they can do.
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: We do not even need to eat anything to do that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: But this is a bit dystopian, and I'm optimistic. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: think that, you know, maybe it's not our scenario for
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: a dinner future.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Something I want to say between Julia and and you, Alexander,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I thought of an illment. Gilchrist. I think I'm saying
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: his name right, somebody that I've wanted to get on
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: the show. He has an amazing book called The.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: The Master and is emissary.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I have it, and I've only read a little bit
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: here and there, but you know, I've watched him do
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: presentations on it and talk about it, and he says
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: like right now he thinks there's a huge problem with that,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: like we're all basically like way too much on the
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: left side of the brain, and that that part of
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: the brain will like start to lie to you if
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: you get like a scared or afraid to make sense
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of stuff, he says, So like we're kind of like
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: creating our own realities to deal with life at this
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: point and not acknowledging for what it really is.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It's fucking free.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I think that they've been developing this kind
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: of technology from like the sixties though.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: I think as soon as it rolled out like TV.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and it's like you were saying, they
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: could put something in your head that makes you crave
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: taco bell all the time. Well, that shit is already happening,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: because you know, with the way they advertise drugs, food, everything,
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: flashing lights, constant programming, I think that they've already found
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: a way without even touching.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: You physically, to.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: Disrupt how your brain is supposed to work, just from
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: like watching movies, shows whatever.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Electronic explain yeah, your phone.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: Yes, I'm also afraid you know, all the electromagnetic connection
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: and you know, some newer things like no Wi Fi
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: or G five G and so on. But I think
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: that you know, maybe in their secret like experiments or
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: maybe the new future, they would be able to know
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: to do everything remotely now we are just going going,
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: or maybe they will input you some kind nano stuff
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: that you're not even aware of. You maybe if just
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: breathed it in while you were outside of your homework,
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: even at your home, and you know you're walking walking,
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: and then you're doing something that it is not you,
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: but they controlling you through your nervous system. And nervous
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: system is actually I think easy to control because it
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: is electromagnetic to some extent electric so you know, different impulses.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: Just like I mentioned, this is an old actual technology
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: as you mentioned sixty seventies, probably that just putting different
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: impulses in special parts of the brain can result in
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: now you remember your most traumatic one, you have no
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: like a vision, like a memory, or they make you
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: hand grains so on. The same with manipulation you mentioned fluoride,
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: but other chemicals that are you know, messing up with
• 36:46
  Speaker 10: the hormones. They can do a lot of things with
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: our body. And that's why I think all the propaganda
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: and all the things it is going toward is eliminating
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: spirituality anything beyond physical because if you think that you
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: are only the physical material body machine, let's say biological,
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: you are limited. And you know, you think maybe even
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: if you're aware of what we are talking about, that
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: they can control you in all the possible ways. You
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: are like, oh, I can't do anything about that. You know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: they will get the nano stuff. I will, you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: do that, I will maybe even kill some people that
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: and so on. You're not aware of that, you're actually aware,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: but you are, you know, in this depressing state. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: I think that's why they want to kill the spirituality
• 37:33
  Speaker 10: to say, okay, you see now our enemies let's say
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: you know usay in other countries like China or Russia,
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: these countries can do that, so you have to abide us.
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: Or if it's a vice versa here on the eastern
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: side of the world, you need to be careful, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: Western things, but they can control you and you need
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: to obey us, the government and so on. So I
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: think this is why it's going into the material one.
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: Because if you know about spirituality, if you truly experience it,
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: you are not fearing anything. You know, the death is
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: not the end, and so on, so you have a
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: different mindset to go. Even even if it existed into
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: that into this negative destopian stuff, you have a completely
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: different attitude towards it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: I just wanted to add that there are definitely these
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: modern really institutionalizations to kind of make people not be
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: sensitive and even or intuitive. And even that word has
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: a kind of trigger to it, right, like, oh, you're
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: so sensitive. People use that as a really derogatory in
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: a sense kind of word when actually you're programming subconscious.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: It's an example of programming which we do to ourselves.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: I cannot be sensitive, right right, that's a great example
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: the hardness and softness. Like with Taichi for health, we
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: want to integrate softness and sensitivity and not be hard
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: because when you're rigid, you really you you lose your
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: ability in flexibility, there is the potential for rapidity, not
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: an in rigidity, there's no flexibility. And a lot of
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: this modern institutionalization and even verbal tendencies and just cultural
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: tendencies to be hard and rigid and not sensitive to
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: the spiritual or non physical. I think may start within
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: ourselves in there's in the reflective of the theory that
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: are very eyesight and hearing, and even the spectrum of
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: what we might think about is said to be biologically
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: hindered in order to maintain a survival and fight the
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: bobcats and the wolves and the random bowls that come
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: out of nowhere that you have to survive and getting
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: food and so on. So all these the base programming
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: and base place that we might be in. It was
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: more the more frequent place right where we're just focusing
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: on survival. So I think in reflect to that these
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: biological circumstances. Now we have these modern examples, as you
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: laid out so eloquently, Alexander, that maybe come from the
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: same biological tendency to be in survival mode as a
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: way to survive and not really look at these energies
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: and these different qualities and or are very you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: people might call it our our dark side or our
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: dark aspect of our consciousness. People really don't want to
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: look at what is the biggest thing holding us back.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: Most often our selves are usually we're alone worst enemy,
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: and people do not want to look at that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: In depth anyway.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: Yes, I agree, I agree.
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: Just to build No, I wasn't trying to disagree, just
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: to build on like, yes, we hold ourselves back certainly
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: institutionally and personally.
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: Yes, I think it's a great example of you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: house society or I mentioned the Eastern side, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: or postmodernism one you know this, I don't want to
• 41:46
  Speaker 10: call it philosophist school, I thought, or anything. I think
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: it's like global phenomenon that you know, make you fit,
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: that you need to fit into that, into that, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: there are plenty of different ideologies that are you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: throwing people into a particular root when actually you can
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: be free and you will see that, you know, it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: just a root. Just as science, as I mentioned at
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: the beginning, is limited in its own way, and science
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: is only I would say, science is only a method
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: of understanding physical with emphasis reality, and who knows, maybe
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: even not entirely if we take into the consideration disrationalism
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: thing that maybe our minds are not supposed to know everything.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think depending on where you are, even emotionally,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's certain things you should understand given
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: tomes something like that. So to explain one thing I
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: didn't want to bring up, it's a little bit kind
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: of rough. I mean, it's about the science community. It's
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: not kind of the way that you were going at it,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: but it's just a way for me to have a
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: shameless plug for the show as well. One thing I
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: do think is important within the science community, and I
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people kind of leap on it too.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: It was interesting for me when Lisa pitched it to
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: the show or to me, it's not my topic, so
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I can't pat myself on the back of his hers.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: But even with Maxwell's family owning so much of the
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: publication of scientific papers for so long, they basically controlled
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: science certain aspects.
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: Yes, yes, yes, it's just like all science different even
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: outside of science, you know, there are people who own
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: out even nowadays with the food industry, they're also like
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: you see, okay, we have five big companies that control
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: all the eighty percent of the food and you will
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: see okay, but all these five arts under control of
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: the one majoritally so right.
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: Mcgarral Hill was the textbook maker that Maxwell owned for
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: about three years and changed all of their policies how
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: they you know, wrote their books and everything else. So
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: that was coming straight out of this network.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that is true, and I think for some reason,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I think they had to do something with like German
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: or Nazi stuff with Mocgrohill.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Don't know why can remember that?
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: Well, Germans actually because of it is very German and
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: Nazis actually was a very interesting case because because of
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: their isolation from the outside world during the World War,
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: they actually started with completely different ideas and the Nazi
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: science of nineteen forty four, so before the last year
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: of the world in comparison to let's say American science
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: and global science outside of Nazi Germany was completely completely
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: different just after a few like four or five years
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: being isolated during the world during the Second World Wars,
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: which shows you that maybe, you know, sometimes isolation can
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: be a good thing because you won't think the same
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: things as the other once all over the world are thinking.
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: So I think it's a good example that you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: we say, oh science, everyone agrees with science and someone
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: but here you will say that after all these years
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: of isolation, just a fere is actually of isolation. Their science,
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: their physics was a completely different, you know kind of thing.
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: Even they went back to the beginnings and some of
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: the prayer things. When it comes to physics, they you know, say, no,
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: it's probably a little bit different. They weren't right in
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: plenty of things but actually when Western sciences discovered that
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: they were heavily inspired that wait, what is it, So.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Are you talking about You're talking about Nazis.
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: Yes, Nazi science was completely different. And that's why you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: all these conspiracies about NASA NASA and their influence with
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: the Nazi scientists, because plenty of Nazi science citis in
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: order not to be killed their benefit but also benefit
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: of the United States and other countries to have the
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: best scientists on their team were you know, taken not killed,
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: and taken into the USA. Plenty of Nazi scientists and
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: it turned out that doing as I mentioned, four or
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: five years of their isolation, their science was like a
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: sci fi one. That's why they were you know, all
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: these hidden projects like UFO, the Glocka, these were here
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: in Poland. Plenty of these projects were created here in Poland. Actually,
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: the Gloca, they're kind of youthful, this hornet kind of
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: craft that later inspired the American stealth these fighters, which
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: are like out of sci fi movie. So Nazi science
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: was really out of this world because they were also
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: heavily influenced before that by occultism. Because before even the
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: like nsdaap so the Party Nationalists of Hitler Nationalist Party
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: became a power in Germany even before that at the
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: end of eighteen hundreds, at the beginning of the nineteen hundreds,
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: they had their roots in occultism because plenty of their
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: members were into that. Later, when the Nazis came into
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: power in Germany, there even started projects, as I mentioned,
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: of these physics, but also projects on non material staff
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: projects about uncovering hidden history. Even you know him La,
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: so you know, one of the biggest guys when it
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: comes to Nazis. After Hitler was trying to search for Atlantis.
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: And now you see, for instance, I don't know if
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: you know, Flint Dubble and other skeptics who are selling, oh,
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: Graham Anklek is bad because of his ancient apocalypt series
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: and so on. They are telling that this idea of
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: trying to search for lost civilizations is racists fastest, it's
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: Nazi even some of the people, maybe not this one
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: that I mentioned, but other in this kind of field.
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: I'm telling us because the history people were using that
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: for bad things. But you know why they are telling us, no,
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: we cannot search for Atlantis because we would be racist, nazy,
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: and so on. Because we are you know, no, it's
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: I think it shouldn't be like that, and I think
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: it's a bad thinking, illogical thinking, even in my opinion
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: that you know, you take these people into this like
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: all this Atlantis hunters or lost civilizations hunters, they are
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: racists or these methods are racist. No, just racists. Fascists.
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: Nazis were using this knowledge for their purposes because Nazis
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: wanted to show that there Arian race, so the Germans,
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: true Germans were coming from some kind of loss civilization
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: like Atlantis. They wanted a proof because they were they
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: really were racist, and they thought that their Arian race
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: is superior in comparison to others. But they were using
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: this attlant, this knowledge that we may talk about for
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: bad purposes. But it doesn't mean that Atlantis hunt Atlantis
• 49:06
  Speaker 10: hunting is Nazi in itself, No, it isn't, but plenty
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: of people interpret it like that so Nazis. It's there
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: are crazy stories. They even wanted to recreate some kind
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: of UFO interdimensional UFOO, like a physical one for space
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: travels outside of the space time reality. After the channeling,
• 49:30
  Speaker 10: there were some kind of medium. It was before the
• 49:33
  Speaker 10: war for sure, and they were, you know, channeling some
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: kind of papers like blueprints of the UFO craft. There
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: are plenty of stories like that about the Nazis, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: they were trying to replicate it. And because of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: routine occultism channelings, they were much more open for different ideas.
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: That's why the glocka, which was meant to be some
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: kind of anti gravity thing according to them, maybe it
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: doesn't exist, the thing like antigravity. Maybe, but they were
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: thinking and okay, let's experiment, and they came to plenty
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: of new things. They invented new truth things in physics
• 50:08
  Speaker 10: because they were very open about all of that. They
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: wanted to create UFOs, they wanted to power the psychic powers.
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: Yes, right, well, Alexander. And in terms of their moral
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: rejection of Western physics, it really came down to this
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: Einstein idea, right, because they really rejected Einstein hard, like
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: he was very big in the West, and they're like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: we want nothing to do with that Swedish guy or
• 50:34
  Speaker 11: the Swiss guy.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: Jewish guy, Jewish I don't want this podcast. I'm sorry,
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: enigmat You know, they didn't like juice and I tell
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: you what they do, so sorry.
• 50:48
  Speaker 11: But the same kind of rejection going on in the
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: Soviet Union, where they were rejected in Western science for
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: a different type of agriculturists, and that created major problems
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: in the Soviet Union as well.
• 51:02
  Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I agree with you, and even they rejected
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: because of their philosophical basis in Marxism, in communism, they
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: rejected the idea of spirituality. When the Bolsheviks in like
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: twenties got into the power, they closed most and most
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: of the churches, and they wanted to kill religions. They
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: sometimes during events that they were not doing well, were
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: taking back this religion when they needed to. But they
• 51:30
  Speaker 10: were anti religious. They thought that spirituality is you know, stupid,
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: doesn't exist. They were materialists, heard materialists, and atheists, and
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: because of that, when they found out about psychic remote
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: viewing and all of the psychic phenomena like channelings, they
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: were heavily researching it. Western world was a little bit
• 51:50
  Speaker 10: back in that because they thought, okay, the Western world
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: was like, oh, this doesn't exist, But actually so of
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: its scientists were thinking that spiritual phenomena and all the
• 52:01
  Speaker 10: mediumship psychic stuff is a material phenomenon. So they got
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: it into their paradigm, you know, as I mentioned that
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: spirituality is outside of the scientific paradigm, and that's why
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: science is not like saying that mediumship and psychic capabilities
• 52:19
  Speaker 10: are real, because these are outside of the physical realm.
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: But Soviet sciences were thinking, but maybe they're physical. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 10: do not agree with them at all, but because of that,
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: they implemented it into their scientific community. And psychic staff
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: was so heavily researched in USSR, like they were really
• 52:39
  Speaker 10: really into it because they thought it is some kind
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: of material stuff. And that's why then later USA was, wait,
• 52:46
  Speaker 10: they are investigating it, so maybe we should too, And
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: that's how the Ingoswan, the famous remote viewer and other
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: later were involved into that. So I think that savig
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: Union was the first in that, and then later USA
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: was that we should investigate it to like our enemies
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: are doing that, we should too. So there are plenty
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: of interesting cases showing us different kinds of science in
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: the Soviet era. In the Nazi stuff, I think it
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: is not only the rejection of Einstein was a part
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: of that. Like they even say I was in my
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: high school, I had like like major but in high
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: school like extended version of history, like different subjects and
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: our history was extended and it was focused on the
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: times from nineteen hundreds up until the end of the
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: World War two, so it was heavily focused on the spirit.
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: And I remember, I remember there were even some quotes
• 53:43
  Speaker 10: that from people from scientists back then during the Nazi time,
• 53:47
  Speaker 10: that we won't accept this Jewish thing that Einstein is propagating.
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: They were, you know, so racist that no, it's a
• 53:55
  Speaker 10: Jewish thing, it's not true, it's propaganda, and so on,
• 53:58
  Speaker 10: and they were telling like that. It was a part
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: of rejecting Einstein's gravity and so on. But part of
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: that was also that when the war started, they were
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: completely isolated. It wasn't like nowadays they can browse the
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: Internet and check what scientific advancements are there. Back then,
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: the scientific research was not that big like nowadays. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: in four or five years, Nazis were actually not informed
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: on everything that was happening all over the world when
• 54:28
  Speaker 10: it comes to science. And this was the part isolation
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: and part rejection of the Western one. In the USSR,
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: similar that part was the rejection there is nothing beyond matter,
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: there is only matter. We are eighties, we are socialists,
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: we are materialists. And also part of the isolation of
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: the Western. The Western is bad. You know here even
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: in Poland it was up until the eighteen nineties, so
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: nineteen eighty nine, so like thirty plus years ago we
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: were under the communist regime and all the Western stuff
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: was bad. Trust me there, even I was born in
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: two thousand and three, so long long ago that and
• 55:11
  Speaker 10: I remember, you know, some kind of artifacts like things
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: from before before we were integrated into the Western world,
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: that you know, everything on the West is bad, everything
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: from Russia, from Soviet Union is good. And we should
• 55:27
  Speaker 10: you know, reject everything the Western depravity and so on. So, yes,
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: these are showing us different kinds of worldviews.
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: Even what's interesting is the artifacts that are left over
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: from this era that I think still don't get a
• 55:43
  Speaker 11: lot of attention. So, for instance, in the West, we
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: have a Western science calling certain obscure kind of effects
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: cavitation effects, cavitation effects. Now they don't go into any
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: detail and what these cavitation effects are, but you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: this is a very clear example of them sort of
• 56:02
  Speaker 11: relegating these different effects within science as a thing that
• 56:07
  Speaker 11: they don't fully explain, but they point at it and
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: they're like, well, we can explain this, it's the cavitation effect.
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: Let's move on to the next thing. It's kind of funny.
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: So they're describing the same things in different ways with
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: varying amounts of focus being placed on them, and usually
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: what we end up seeing is that they don't really
• 56:24
  Speaker 11: do a good job of explaining it too well.
• 56:27
  Speaker 10: M Yes, there are a bunch of examples. Any kind
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: of comment.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Or all go really quickly. Okay.
• 56:42
  Speaker 12: So so I think that everything you said I totally
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: agree with. Like, I think one tool that I like
• 56:48
  Speaker 12: to say for people to like take sort of agency,
• 56:52
  Speaker 12: be agential in and of themselves, take it, you know,
• 56:54
  Speaker 12: take full ownership of their own will. Maybe is to
• 56:58
  Speaker 12: quoting Andrew mcclueing, the grandson of Marshall mclun but he says,
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: sees the means of perception. So I think a lot
• 57:05
  Speaker 12: of magic starts in perception. Like you were talking about Alexander,
• 57:09
  Speaker 12: the Nazi phenomena, I call it we was kings. Any
• 57:13
  Speaker 12: all called to us do this. They always project themselves
• 57:15
  Speaker 12: into the primordial past as the lineage progenitors. It's it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 12: every okaul group. There's there's zero that don't do this.
• 57:23
  Speaker 12: So you know it is what it is. And I
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: think the last thing I wanted to see a comment
• 57:29
  Speaker 12: on is why I forgot so. But anyways, yeah, I
• 57:33
  Speaker 12: totally agree with you and I and I think that
• 57:35
  Speaker 12: people occultism as a source of like wisdom or knowledge.
• 57:39
  Speaker 12: I'm one hundred percent there, I think next hundred percent there.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I think we're all a hundred percent there.
• 57:44
  Speaker 12: And like I think it's not about like the dualism
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: of like materialism versus spiritualism. I like to take a
• 57:51
  Speaker 12: non dual approach, just obviously because I'm a Buddhists. So
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: but I think we have to go like beyond the paradigms,
• 57:57
  Speaker 12: like exactly what you're saying, Like it's it's about pushing
• 58:00
  Speaker 12: the ideas outward and like it doesn't matter.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe an idea is bad, maybe it's good.
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: Like we have to see and we shouldn't be we
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: was kings because you know, not all their ideas are good.
• 58:09
  Speaker 12: But we don't have to discard everything that came before.
• 58:13
  Speaker 12: Just you know, kind of see where, kind of see
• 58:15
  Speaker 12: where things A.
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: Soviets wanted to discard almost anything that was of the
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: Russian or Eastern history. They wanted, you know, to start
• 58:23
  Speaker 10: with a bank page finished this imaginary war of classes,
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: the conflict between classes, and starting you with a perfect
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: socialistic society. So it's another lesson that we shouldn't you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: we shouldn't also be too much attached to, of course
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: the past stuff, but we shouldn't try to eliminate eliminate
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: it at all. Just as you mentioned, old idea, isn't
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: it but an idea at all?
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: Licoism Lisenchoism is the word I was looking for before.
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  Speaker 11: So that's the sort of Soviet response to agricol To
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: was this liesanchoism which ends up killing fields all over
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: the place. So that's always been used as this example
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: of pseudoscience too.
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: Yes, it's a kind of example of the sciencests. I
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: think it's in Polish with Senko or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, Yes, didn't Hitler like send a whole like brigade
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  Speaker 6: of motherfuckers to Tibet to.
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: Yes, like he.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, because he was like looking for some what is
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: the place in Tibet the spiritual place that it's like?
• 59:34
  Speaker 12: They say, right, yes, yes, they say Shambala Chambal is
• 59:40
  Speaker 12: a real place. But I'll tell you where that place is.
• 59:42
  Speaker 12: That place is in your mind, the mind palace is
• 59:45
  Speaker 12: in your mind obviously, and so it's not a real place.
• 59:49
  Speaker 12: So let me just be very clear about that. Set
• 59:51
  Speaker 12: the record straight, like straight up. So it's it's a
• 59:54
  Speaker 12: it's a it's a place that you construct actually in
• 59:57
  Speaker 12: your mind during visualization when you were Montras.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: So it's something it's like.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 12: A ritual, you know, it has a ritual kind of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 12: Maybe it's the higher place.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe you're going to hyperspace Kingdom.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 12: Maybe you're like you know, childboarding in your mind, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: in reality it really takes place in your consciousness. I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 12: know Alexander doesn't love that when I use that word
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: last night, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's fir no.
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  Speaker 10: Actually, I am not into shambala as searching for physical
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 10: place now only like Atlantis, Lamora and stuff like that.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: So I would agree that probably if you have the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 10: knowledge or experience about that, that yes, Shambala could be
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 10: like that, but you know it can be also what
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 10: you're telling about us the best example of I think
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: that in the previous conversation I was talking about of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 10: esoteric and exoteric meaning, it's like understanding the Bible. What
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: you know people going to church are mostly understanding is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 10: the exo the the outer part of the meaning. Okay,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: Jesus died on the cross, there were twelve apostles et cetera. Structure,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: but the esoteric meaning the head and occult inside of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: it is that. Okay, this is this may be interpreted
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 10: as a real story, but it have it has also
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: a second meaning of metaphorical story. You know, Jesus being
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: born at the same time as you know, there's this
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 10: this sun is in this lowest point on the sky,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: et cetera. So I think it's a good example of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 10: how Nazis were foolish about the Shambala. Probably that the.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: Story they misturn them out.
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  Speaker 10: But it's yes, esoterically it's okay, lots of civilization and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: so on, but esoterically it's something different. Just as you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: mentioned before.
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  Speaker 6: They brought back some artifacts though, that's where the swastika
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: came from. But if you really think about it, it's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: like rules for thee but not for me. We're allowed
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: to have occultism, spirituality, looking for last civilizations. We're into
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: all this ship where handeling gods. We're doing all this, But.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: You guys shouldn't have spirituality. Fuck you, you need.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: To be completely cut off from all of this shit
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: that we got going on, because if you knew what
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: we knew, then we can control you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: Yes, it's a great point. I always talked it about it.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: It's a hypocrisy of plenty of elites. I think it
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 10: was even during the reign of Elizabeth the Thirst that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: Elizabeth said, Okay, we destroy all the occult all the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: esoteric stuff in our country. But at the same time
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: as she was saying that the public and you know,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 10: persecuting and the kind of heresies, she was having a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 10: personal occultist and she was using him for her own purposes.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: So the same example, as he.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: Said, that's what I'm talking about, they don't want us
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: to know what they know. That's well, I was going
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: to say, even if you look like Abraham Lincoln was
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: having like seances in the White House, all of them
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: know this stuff. They're all into it, but they want
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: to cut us off from that. It's like, oh, okay,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: only you guys can know it will be lives right, right, right, right,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: right right.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, I agree.
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  Speaker 12: I just want to shout out that Hegel is actually Kabala.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 12: If you really understand Hegel, it's also Kabala. Not saying
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 12: I agree with it. Just saying it is Kabala and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 12: Lisenko is the father of modern epigenetics.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying I agree with Lisenko.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 12: I don't agree with Lisenko, but I think that you
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 12: just like what we're saying is like you can look
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: at wisdom science for specific seeds of knowledge, and so
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 12: in that case, the seed of epigenetics comes from Lysenko.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 12: So I don't agree with him, but again, you don't
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 12: have to agree with everybody to be able to sort
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: of look at their work and see, you know, what
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 12: is going to be generative? And I think that that's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 12: a lot of like the New Aon is, like it's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 12: going to be like what is actually generative? What is
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 12: going to produce fruits? And what is going to like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 12: take humanity. Maybe it's just all about taming your consciousness,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 12: like I think, but maybe it's like you know, maybe
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: it is finding Atlanta. So who knows, really, I think
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 12: that that's an interesting way to frame it. We don't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: really know, but there's something. I think there's something fresh
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: about being like optimistic instead of being like.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: Dumor well, you're you're approaching the monopolistic angle there, So
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: there might be elements of Lisenko that carry over. But
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 11: in the wholesale rejection of anything, you always end up
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and you don't
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: see anything of value in it. So that's the big
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 11: problem with monopolistic science is that you can never take
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 11: the elements and reform at them and use them in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 11: other ways.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I believe the I don't know if it
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: was Lashenko, but the same mode of agriculture. But Stalin
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: infamously grew in Marxist theory. You know, everyone coming together
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: is equal. He put forth that idea into agriculture and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: would grow many different types of wheat in the same fields,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: and they all failed or one one would do well, right,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: because each each different wheat had its own needs that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: were slightly different than the others. And so of course
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: the Marxist theory, which is uh, you know, very subjective,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: did not work on very you know, objective agricultural processes,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: which they thought it would mm hmm.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: And the more comments are something else.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I guess I do think go for go for please, Sorry, no,
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  Speaker 13: I just I thought it was interesting, Alexander that you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: spoke about this, the Soviet kind of marriage of the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 13: their psychical research was so it was even way more
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 13: than the Americans, Like we talked about like obviously MK
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: and all that stuff, but the Soviets had like hundreds
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: of programs running that were identical, similar, or even worse.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 12: And so I just want to say that, like, yeah,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 12: like the Soviets did reject the supernaturalist elements, but they
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 12: definitely embrace the psychical ones. And but there is something
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 12: useful and even in that framework, right, Like That's also
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 12: what's interesting is like if you take away away the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 12: supernatural sort of elements and the layer of story, then
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 12: you're actually talking about sort of our our own cosmogenesis,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 12: like our own like story of humanity, rather than a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 12: story of like the deities or whatever you're talking about
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 12: like fundamentally about us. So I plaud them for that,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 12: but I agree that you have to have the spiritual,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: You have to have like a there's a metaphysical layer
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: like ontology is everything?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think we all agree on that, Like.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, it's just that Soviets, you know, labeled the psychic
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 10: part as a material one because they thought that you know,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 10: the psychic would turn out to be something like gravity
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 10: all like force of electromagnet and that maybe right right
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: at their time they do not understand it, but maybe
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 10: in the future they will be able to measure it physically.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 10: But they couldn't do that. And there are plenty even
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: of prototypes of some kind of machines that could you know,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: see the auras, et cetera. And some of them, you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: allegedly work. Some of them wear a complete crab because
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: you know, it turned out that it wasn't within this
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 10: realm that they were thinking this psychic capabilities are within.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Did anybody else want to ask her at anything?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Before we wrap it up?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I can finally jump in, Yeah, go for it.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: When I was talking about science earlier, I look at
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: it like this, I think, I think science is trying
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: to catch up with what our theories and ideas are,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: and because they don't have the ability to do so,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 9: they push it to the side until something finally comes up.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: And somebody in that you know, typical in that field,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: like at modern academia and so on and so forth,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: they don't want to lose their tenure or their seats
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: and their you know, wherever they're at, so they decide
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: not to say anything.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: So a lot of times.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 9: A lot of them just keep it hush hush, But
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 9: they be in their houses practicing the same shit that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 9: we be practicing. Tarot's ugi bores, astro projection, lucid dreaming.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: They do that, but they don't want to put their
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: name on it.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: Because they don't want to run the risk of somebody
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: talking about them.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And a good example of that right now is Avy Low.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: He keeps thinking that thing is as an extraterrestrial, right,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 9: but people are saying that the facts are saying that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: it's an asteroid. So now it's up to when it
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 9: finally shows up, how are we able to prove it otherwise? Right,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 9: because we got a person from Harvard, from modern academia
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 9: who's actually putting their name out there on the line
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: and so on and so forth, and you know, people
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 9: are looking at him like he's crazy. But this dude
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: has a degree in this field, right, you know what
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: I'm saying. So who I mean, unless you have a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: degree in that field, what can you really say to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: you know, counter that? And that's when it comes up
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: to how do they prove their facts? What can they
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: give to us? The lameness people out the group, you know,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: the non Harvards and you know all these other individuals.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: What can you give us that proves what you say
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: and backs up what you say with you know, clear
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: cut evidence, right like the gun is at the scene
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: with the fingerprints type thing I can see that has
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: clear evidence. What evidence do you have that portrays that?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: And I think signs a lot of people are very timid.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: They don't want to They don't want to be the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: roaring wolf that goes out there and says, hey, you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: guys are fucking They want to say, hey, you guys
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: are misinterpreting, and they're being sweet and nice about it.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: Before we even launched this this show, Nick were talking
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: about how many times have you went to somebody said
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: excuse me, and then the second third time you had
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: to say excuse me, motherfucker just to get their attention.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: And that's what we need, is we need a moment
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 9: like that to get everybody's attention. And it's not going
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: to help by to being the sweet and nice little
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: people that we used to be. It's about time we start,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: you know, roaring with the microphones, tearing the walls off
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: the Jerusalem and this type of this, that and the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: third type stuff.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you I mean, I add.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: To the idea of the power for people, even stately
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: people using these occult or metaphysical or alchemical ideas. Just recently,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: Putin and Zea and what is the North Korean guy
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: met and were walking around and on a hut mic.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: They were talking about how at seventy you're just a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: baby nowadays, and that they could live to be one
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: hundred and fifty. And so they were very much interested
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: in these alchemical ideas. But they were talking about very physical,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 8: surgical things, I believe, but interesting longevity and immortality always
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: a search for humanity and even just randomly they're walking
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: along and spoke about it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: And that's funny you say that. And I'll say this
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: last thing. The Gnostics believe in internal life. You just
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: had to have knowledge within to achieve that.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: That's why they were.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: So dangerous, and that's why they were looked as evil,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: because they if you could live long, you can make
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: a lot of different changes, right.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Whether it's for the good or the bad. A good
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: person lives long enough, they can make some changes. A
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: bad person lives long enough, you can make some changes.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 14: I mean, we've been been shown throughout historical events, right,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 14: But The problem is most of the time, the nice
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 14: ones usually don't be able to get to make the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 14: changes that they want to because they're being too nice at.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: Times and they're not roaring and letting people know, Hey,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: this has got to be done the right way and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: this is how it's going to be.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, what the fucker that?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I love it? Dude? Thank you to anybody else, have
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: anything they wanted? Ellis you guess?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 11: I just want to Yeah, I just want to say,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 11: this is a great discussion. I think once we go
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 11: back to the philosophy of science and start to deconstruct
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 11: it where it starts at instead of where everything has
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 11: ended up, that's when we can start to really make
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 11: the changes. Because a lot of scientific people hear these
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: kind of things and they apply it to their own
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 11: lives and they look at what they're what they're doing,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 11: and it creates a sense of self awareness. And I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 11: think that's at you know, the fundamental level of the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 11: understanding of science is self awareness. Like that's one of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 11: the first things you go into objective states. By understanding
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: yourself and seeing yourself and understanding where your biases are
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 11: and everything else and being able to identify that is
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 11: the first goal in producing good science is being able
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 11: to identify the pre existing biases and all the problems
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 11: with separation and all the rest of these things, like
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 11: you were talking about once, these different facets of different
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 11: countries and geographies that break off from one another. If
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: they had that self awareness, they could not only take
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 11: those elements that they've developed independently, but integrate them in
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 11: a much more you know, rationalist framework that opens other
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: people up to new ideas. But you know, as long
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: as it's all being dictated by war and death and killing,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: you're not going to get that, you know, and the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 11: biases are going to get worse.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: I have just one thing to add to that, actually, Headless,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: you inspired me. I think like the concept of like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: science as we know it right now is like it's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: like fiscar scissors and like preschool shit, like fucking putting
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: blocks together and stuff.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: But if you go back like.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: Ancient Egypt, and they had fucking this seven sacred sciences, Okay,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: that's what they had. They were way more advanced than us.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: What we have now is dogshit compared to what they
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: knew and the seven Sacred sciences, you know, they had
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: like arithmetic, and whatever. But they also incorporated spirituality and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: extra dimensional type of shit into their seven Sacred sciences.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: So when we think of science now, it's like fucking
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: Bill Nye in some you know, school program, stupid bullshit.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: But what they had they could, like the architecture, everything,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: it was a mixture of spirituality and science, and it
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: was actually a really amazing thing. I honestly think that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: the Egyptians are like just a remnant of these civilizations
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: that Alexander was talking about, Atlantis, all of these places.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I think that they target us
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: on a biological level. You know, if you guys have
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: heard about the god gene or whatever, they're trying to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: basically inject us to death so that we're not able
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: to use that part of our brain and part of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: our body. So yeah, yay for science shutting down our
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: god gene and calcifying our brain. That I mean, I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: think it just it's turned into almost like a dystopian
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: nightmare science.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: It's not anything like what it used to be.
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  Speaker 12: That well, the institutions are sort of crumbling. I think
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  Speaker 12: we're seeing a sort of you know, deconstruction or maybe
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  Speaker 12: like an incoherence of the Saturnian institutions, because institutions are
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  Speaker 12: both attorney and solar in some ways, because they have
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  Speaker 12: an outward presenting face and a more occulted layer. So
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  Speaker 12: I think definitely we're seeing an icing out of like
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  Speaker 12: people's perceptions of the institutions are kind of ignoring it,
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  Speaker 12: and I think a lot more people are interested in
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  Speaker 12: like metaphysics and the things that Alexander talks about and
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  Speaker 12: that we all talk about. So I think that's a
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  Speaker 12: you know that it's a very I'm very optimistic. I
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  Speaker 12: have to say, like, I feel like people are are
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  Speaker 12: really hungry for it, want to hear it, are like it,
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  Speaker 12: interested in like a totally new way. It's not so
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  Speaker 12: dogmatic as it was during COVID times, and we can
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  Speaker 12: all be a lot more open minded and try and
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  Speaker 12: like figure it out for ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. We'll say both of you.
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  Speaker 4: Before we wrap it up, We'll let everybody plug their
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  Speaker 4: shows again, real quick, go ahead, Julie.
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  Speaker 1: Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, Nick, I have this conversation. I
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  Speaker 6: could talk about it all day. I have Cosmic Peach
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  Speaker 6: podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts Occult Reject Part time.
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  Speaker 6: You can find me on Cult the Conspiracy Podcasts every Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: I'm everywhere and nowhere, so thank you for thank you
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  Speaker 6: for having me though, love being in Occult Reject.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on. Julie. Yes, she's
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  Speaker 1: like an egg.
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  Speaker 4: We're going just everywhere, right, Yeah, the Ninjo what is
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  Speaker 4: going on?
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  Speaker 10: Sir?
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  Speaker 12: Thank you so much, thanks for having me, and thank
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  Speaker 12: you to the panel and of course Alexander. This was
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  Speaker 12: a great part two and I always really enjoy hearing
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  Speaker 12: you and I could probably listen for longer and not speak.
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  Speaker 3: So much, but appreciate it.
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  Speaker 12: And yeah, if you want to check me out Jim
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  Speaker 3: So come expand your mind there.
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  Speaker 11: You go, very nice and hellos, Jihant, thank you, Nick,
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  Speaker 11: thank you Alexander. This has been a great, great little interview.
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  Speaker 11: I think a lot of people are hungry for this
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  Speaker 11: kind of knowledge so that they can have, you know,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 11: some sort of ammunition to fight back and get some
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 11: people trying to fill them up with all sorts of
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 11: science fluids.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you know.
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  Speaker 11: We got to have that ammunition. So you can find
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  Speaker 11: Giant and yeah, on Thursday nights and on Sunday mornings,
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• 1:18:13
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, hell yeah, thank you very much for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, send those stories over to Headless and Ethan my Man.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks everyone, Thanks Alexander, that was awesome.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, check us out tomorrow, head Lists and Ricardo and
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  Speaker 8: I'll be discussing contemporary ideas and different different ideas every week.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, I'm on all the usual social media and.
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  Speaker 8: I got a couple of books out there actually exploring
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  Speaker 8: non physical.
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  Speaker 2: Topics, so a lot of it.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, again, Alexander, that was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thank you for joining us, Ethan and Tyrone. Sir.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I appreciate it. Uh, Nick, Alexander was a great
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 9: presentation man. Like I said, man, you always come with
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 9: the good stuff to fire that good information to the
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  Speaker 9: knowledge that we need.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I you know, I really do appreciate that.
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  Speaker 9: Everything you can find on me is on my website,
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  Speaker 9: Rebirth of theWord dot com. I just created a Rumbo
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  Speaker 9: account where I'm actually going to actual historical places. I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: appreciate that, Alexander, I'm going to actual historical places. The
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: last one I went to was just Fort George Historic
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  Speaker 9: site in Georgia. I was representing Colt Rejects with the shirt,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: so you know, I was out there representing. I've got
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: to say, he doesn't promote his book, so I do
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: the geometry, the geometry of how to Meditate, and then uh,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: I got Alexander's brook get his book. Also, I always
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  Speaker 9: actually I have a couple of Ethan's books. I'm just
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: going to the next time he's on with me, I'm
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: going to promote the other one, so you know, just
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  Speaker 9: keep it going for him since he forget.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot, but I appreciate it, y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you, and uh finally Alexander,
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  Speaker 4: and please let everybody know like about your books and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: stuff that you got.
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  Speaker 1: As well for you.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, you can find me on many social media like
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  Speaker 10: you to Facebook, Instagram. Just the best way is copy
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: paste my name and surname Alexander Tashkevich. Sometimes the English
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: one is with Global, so Alexander Tishkevich Global, because I
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: have also a Polish one. But you will see which
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 10: one is which one by the language, so don't worry.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 10: And my book is Deja vi has Surfing Already Been?
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  Speaker 10: Jazzas Tyron is showing us. It's on Amazon and plenty
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  Speaker 10: of English speaking regions like USA, Canada, Australia. Just again,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 10: copy paste the title Deja Voo has Surfing Already Been?
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  Speaker 10: Or my name is surname and you will find it
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  Speaker 10: in English. Thank you once again, thank you for all
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 10: the good things you were talking about. I really am
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 10: happy that you liked. I see the comments. Also people
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: liked that you. Everyone here liked what I had to say,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 10: and I can't wait for the talk about Atlantis. That
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 10: will be good to thank you once again.
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  Speaker 4: Nick, Yeah, of course, no, thank you for bringing that up.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to leave the listeners with that. If
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: you enjoyed this show, hopefully within a few weeks while
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: this man back on again, we'll be talking about Atlantis.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: I'm looking very very much forward to that again. Alexander,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: thank you so much for coming on. It's always a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: great chat, always a great discussion for real, and you know,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: the chat loved it, and I appreciate everybody that was
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: in the chat on all channels that it was streaming
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  Speaker 4: out too.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's up.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: A lot of these are there from the beginning to end,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: and you all had great stuff to say.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we go live.
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  Speaker 4: And until the next one, everybody be well later.