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Feminist Movie Friday: Bottoms · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stepan Never Told You production by Heart Radio,
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  Speaker 2: and today we are so excited to be joined by
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  Speaker 2: friend of the show, Joey. Welcome, Joey.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 2: We always love having you here. We almost got to
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  Speaker 2: meet you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I will I'll give you all the
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  Speaker 4: rundown of that off b clare Okay, to do with
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  Speaker 4: some of the chaos of earlier this month. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: happy to be honest always.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a fun one because this is a
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  Speaker 2: very special feminist movie.
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  Speaker 3: Friday.
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  Speaker 2: And this was a movie that you suggested a while
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  Speaker 2: back and I was like, yeah, I think we should
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  Speaker 2: talk about that. I'm very excited to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Samantha and I had never seen it. It is very recent.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, if you haven't seen it, spoilers going to
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  Speaker 2: be spoiled throughout. Yes, Joey, can you tell us what
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  Speaker 2: are what film are we talking about today?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So today we're gonna be talking about the twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty three movie Bottoms, directed by M. S. Eldman and
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  Speaker 4: starring Rachel Senate and Iowa Debris. No, you know from
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  Speaker 4: the Bear and all that this is one of my
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  Speaker 4: favorite movies, if not my favorite movie. And I'm so
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  Speaker 4: excited to be talking to you guys about this. Before
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  Speaker 4: we started recording, I know, Samantha, you said this was
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  Speaker 4: not what you expected.
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  Speaker 3: It was gonna be. I definitely.
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  Speaker 4: When I pitched it too, I was sort of like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not gonna say anything about it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna let them watch it and see what the
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  Speaker 4: reactions are.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've seen previews.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was prepared for some of it, and then
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  Speaker 6: I was like, uh not, no, okay, that that turned
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  Speaker 6: very quickly, like got a level of like, well that
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  Speaker 6: was something different, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the only thing I knew about it
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  Speaker 2: was Joey. You phrased it. You've explained it in a
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  Speaker 2: way that was like I liked that gay people were
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  Speaker 2: not all good people in it.
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  Speaker 4: This is my main thing with the movie is I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: it is a it's a and we're going to get
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  Speaker 4: more into this, but it is a It is a
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  Speaker 4: high school movie about where all the characters are queer.
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  Speaker 4: It's not necessarily about coming out or about like how
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  Speaker 4: hard it is to megare or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a movie where the characters are queer.
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  Speaker 4: And like a lot of my high school movies, like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of rom coms, they let the characters be
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  Speaker 4: very messy and very awful at points, and that was
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  Speaker 4: very refreshing, which I'm going to get into I think this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I I personally found it very refreshing to have a
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  Speaker 4: movie where like we had these like very messy queer
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  Speaker 4: characters that were front and center, very messy female and
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  Speaker 4: also like you know, younger queer characters, especially quick content warning.
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  Speaker 4: So this just all kind of talking within the context
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  Speaker 4: of this movie and how this movie deals with stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about.
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  Speaker 4: School shootings and school violence and also sexual assault and
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  Speaker 4: those conversations. So yeah, make sure you're taking care while listening.
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  Speaker 3: So to introduce this.
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  Speaker 4: Movie a little bit, I want to talk a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to backtrack to a completely different movie that
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  Speaker 4: came out six years ago, and because again, like I
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  Speaker 4: talked about, I think it's important to when we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about this movie, just want to talk about the whole
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  Speaker 4: idea of like quote unquote queer high school movies, which
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  Speaker 4: is like a newer trend in cinema, but like what
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  Speaker 4: has happened with those kind of stories. So yeah, backtracking
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  Speaker 4: to Spring twenty eighteen, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was at the end of my first year of college.
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  Speaker 4: I was sat in a movie theater in the East
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  Speaker 4: Village in Manhattan, Manhattan to watch a movie that had
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  Speaker 4: just come out called Love Simon, which was a film
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  Speaker 4: that got a lot of hype for being really the
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  Speaker 4: first like big budget high school rom com that was
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  Speaker 4: produced by a major studio that had like a gay
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  Speaker 4: main character. So the movie ended, lights went up. I
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  Speaker 4: was there with a friend of mine who was also queer.
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  Speaker 4: I turned to that friend. She was in tears. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of people around us were in tears, were very emotional,
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  Speaker 4: and I am a liar, so I was sort of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that was great. I loved that. I'm so I'm crying
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  Speaker 4: right now. I didn't really like the movie.
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  Speaker 1: Please tell me you said I'm crying.
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  Speaker 4: Literally it was what I said, Yeah, I'm sick, and
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  Speaker 4: so I'm not saying this to try to yuck anybody's yum.
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  Speaker 4: I do think like art is very subjective and movies
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  Speaker 4: are very subjective and super storytelling, that's all very subjective.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody has their own emotional reactions to things. But I
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  Speaker 4: remember leaving that movie in twenty eighteen, like I had
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  Speaker 4: kind of just experienced being I feel weird saying like
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  Speaker 4: openly gay, because I feel like it was more of
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  Speaker 4: a like the people that knew knew kind of like
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  Speaker 4: people that needed to know, or if if anybody asked,
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  Speaker 4: I would be honest about it. But like more or
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  Speaker 4: less openly queer in high school. It just like was
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  Speaker 4: not a movie that reflected my experience, and I think,
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  Speaker 4: like later on, I saw a lot of criticism where
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  Speaker 4: people were sort of saying the same thing, And again
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  Speaker 4: I do understand. I think there is a place for
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  Speaker 4: those kind of stories. That being side the movie loves
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  Speaker 4: Simon very much was sort of a like the point
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  Speaker 4: of the movie was really much like, hey, look, straight people,
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  Speaker 4: we're just like you.
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  Speaker 3: We're normal and pop and.
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  Speaker 4: You know, gender conforming and live in our upper middle class,
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  Speaker 4: white suburban cookie cutter town and just want to be
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  Speaker 4: like you and everything's great and oh we're just also gay.
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  Speaker 3: It's very much like respectability politics.
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  Speaker 7: And again, like I I think, if this is the
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  Speaker 7: kind of movie you watched and you felt seen by that,
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  Speaker 7: that's great and I love that, and I think that's important,
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  Speaker 7: and I also think there is a place for like
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  Speaker 7: these kind of stories, especially like that are marketed towards kids,
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  Speaker 7: and I think that is important.
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  Speaker 4: But again, that was a movie that I left. I
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  Speaker 4: just remember being like, is this what we're getting now? Like,
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  Speaker 4: is this what queer cinema is going to be? Is
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  Speaker 4: it going to be like so rooted in trying to
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  Speaker 4: appease straight people or like to show them that we're
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  Speaker 4: normal and we're just like them, And like it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be very like sugarcoated kind of stories.
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  Speaker 3: Flash forward now to last August.
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  Speaker 6: And uh, the.
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  Speaker 4: Night before my best friend Handa and I had gone
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  Speaker 4: out to Henrietta Hudson, which is a lesbian bar in Manhattan.
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  Speaker 4: Gotta give them a shout.
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  Speaker 3: Out, had a great time, was a little hugover.
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  Speaker 4: The next day was sat in a Sunday matinee to
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  Speaker 4: go see Bottoms at a nearby indie theater.
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  Speaker 3: There was a setup in the lobby.
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  Speaker 4: This theater does like themed kind of setup, so based
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  Speaker 4: on movies that are coming out sometimes, so like they
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  Speaker 4: had a set up for Bottoms that was like modeled
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  Speaker 4: after one of the classrooms. So it was really fun.
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  Speaker 4: We got a lot of fun pictures. The movie started
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  Speaker 4: and then after a one hour and thirty two minutes
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  Speaker 4: fever dream of laughing and cheering. The lights lifted, and
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  Speaker 4: I felt like I finally had the experience that like
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  Speaker 4: the people around me were experiencing when I went to
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  Speaker 4: go see Love Simon, that I was pretending.
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  Speaker 6: To have.
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  Speaker 4: Because to me, Bottoms is the loud, irreverent, annoying gay
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  Speaker 4: response to the trend of movies like Love Simon that
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  Speaker 4: like very heavily pandered this respectable, straight, liberal gaze. It
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  Speaker 4: is a movie that it reminded me a lot of
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  Speaker 4: BookSmart where It's which is Olivia Wild's debut film in
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  Speaker 4: which that like it really speaks to much like breaking
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  Speaker 4: down a lot of these high school movie tropes. And
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  Speaker 4: it's like I kind of saw it as like, this
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  Speaker 4: is a high school movie for people that were miserable
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  Speaker 4: in high school. So yeah, like I said, it preferred
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  Speaker 4: like the I think one of the strengths of the
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  Speaker 4: movies is in reverting a lot of these typical tropes
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  Speaker 4: asia associated with high school brom comms. It follows the
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  Speaker 4: tradition of other, like earlier queer movies like but I'm
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  Speaker 4: a Cheerleader and using these very like over the top,
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  Speaker 4: very gendered aesthetics to poke fun of the strict expectations
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  Speaker 4: of heteronormative you know, suburban America. And I found this
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  Speaker 4: quote from a review in Roger Ebert dot Com from
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  Speaker 4: Monica Castillo that writes bottoms dropkicks, John Hughes movies on
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  Speaker 4: their ass and lets the girls take charge, not just
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  Speaker 4: as power wallflowers or broody misfits until someone gives them
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  Speaker 4: a makeover.
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  Speaker 3: They're weirdos. They are the words.
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  Speaker 4: They have every right to fail, be crass, make crewe jokes,
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  Speaker 4: and shed blood. Selgman and Senate are all in on
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  Speaker 4: the joke right down to the end credits.
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  Speaker 3: Blooper real.
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  Speaker 4: And so again, like I said, Desmit kind of like
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  Speaker 4: really campy, over the top like satirical tone of this movie.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like it did a better job of reflecting
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  Speaker 4: the way that.
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  Speaker 3: I felt as a.
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  Speaker 4: High schooler and also like the kind of story that
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to see compared to like a lot more
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  Speaker 4: recent queer like high school centric media like Love Simon
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  Speaker 4: or Heart Stopper or which again, if these are movies
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  Speaker 4: that you like, I have a lot of friends that
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  Speaker 4: are really into Heart Stopper personally doesn't do it for me,
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  Speaker 4: but like, you know, everybody's got their own taste or like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of the other stuff that we're
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  Speaker 4: seeing is like queer dramas that are usually about like
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  Speaker 4: conversion camps or something really depressing. Like I was, this
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  Speaker 4: was very like And the thing that I really liked
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  Speaker 4: about the movie, which the director am A Selgman has
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  Speaker 4: spoken about, is the fact that it's like she wanted
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  Speaker 4: to make this movie where the characters just happen to
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  Speaker 4: be queer. That's not like the plot isn't like, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, this is a drama about coming out or
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  Speaker 4: about your parents tend to get you to a conversion
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  Speaker 4: camp or some other awful.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of traumatic experience.
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  Speaker 4: It's just about being a high schooler and navigating like
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  Speaker 4: dating and having crushes and.
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  Speaker 3: All of these things as a high schooler.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, the thing that I like is that the
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  Speaker 4: characters are messy like that to me is so much
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  Speaker 4: more interesting than like again, like I'm god love Simon
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  Speaker 4: a lot, but like, uh, like the main character that
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  Speaker 4: movie is so boring, Like I just heat there was
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  Speaker 4: I could not tell you a personality trade he had,
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  Speaker 4: but like I don't know, and like I don't know
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  Speaker 4: about you guys, but like I was a mess at
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  Speaker 4: high school, Like I was.
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  Speaker 3: A complete idiot.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm like, this is probably again that is why
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  Speaker 4: I say, I'm like, this is probably more reflective of
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  Speaker 4: who I was and the stories I would have wanted
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  Speaker 4: to see. And you guys just did an episode about
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  Speaker 4: ten Things I Hate About You, which I think is
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  Speaker 4: interesting because that also just happens to be.
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  Speaker 3: One of my favorite movies.
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  Speaker 4: And I I think one of the things that I
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  Speaker 4: really love about that movie is the fact that all
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  Speaker 4: of the characters are kind of awful. Like it is
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  Speaker 4: the same thing where it's like, you know, the people
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  Speaker 4: tend to like comedies because the characters are messed up,
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  Speaker 4: not because the characters are perfect. Like those are the
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  Speaker 4: things that we enjoy and we are drawn to and
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  Speaker 4: we relate to, and I think as gay people, we
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  Speaker 4: also deserve to have those kind of characters. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: now getting to the plot of the movie. So, like
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  Speaker 4: I said, this movie was co created by writer director
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  Speaker 4: Emma Selkman and actor Rachel Sennett. The pair had previously
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  Speaker 4: worked on Shiva Baby, which I still have not seen
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  Speaker 4: but I really want to see, which was an underground
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  Speaker 4: hit kind of at the beginning of the pandemic.
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  Speaker 3: It was based on a.
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  Speaker 4: Project that the pair had started working on while they
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  Speaker 4: were students at NYU. They actually also went to NYU
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  Speaker 4: with Iowa Debris, who is the other star of this film,
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  Speaker 4: known for her roles in The Bear.
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  Speaker 3: She's actually been doing a lot lately.
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  Speaker 4: She's great, She's she's I'm I love her.
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  Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with her.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see it.
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  Speaker 6: And then Rachel said it it's from Bides. She's also
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  Speaker 6: see it out last night. Yeah, but anyway, keep going.
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  Speaker 4: I actually saw that see Buddies Buddy's Bodies either. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's also been on my last time. I have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of goa that.
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  Speaker 1: You love this movie, but you haven't seen that movie.
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  Speaker 1: You need to see that movie.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's like on Netflix or something now too.
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  Speaker 3: So I've been meaning to see ye need to know,
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: So. According to a Deadline article about this movie, the
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  Speaker 4: duo Quote came up with the idea for the raunchy
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  Speaker 4: teen comedy on a whiteboard, putting down everything we wanted
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  Speaker 4: to see in a movie on the board, from quote
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  Speaker 4: punching to vagina to knitting set senate, which I think
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  Speaker 4: is a great way to start working on a movie.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, So Bottoms is the story of two best friends,
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  Speaker 4: PJ who's played by Rachel Sennett and Josie who's played
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  Speaker 4: by Io Debris, who had to plan to start a
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  Speaker 4: quote self defense club to get girls to want to
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  Speaker 4: sleep with them in typical buddy comedy fashion. PJ is
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  Speaker 4: this like, very brash, confident character who's often pulling Josie
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  Speaker 4: along into like her crazy schemes, and Josie is the
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  Speaker 4: much more reserved, anxious, more or less the rational one
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  Speaker 4: at the start of the movie at least.
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  Speaker 3: So the movie primarily serves.
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  Speaker 4: To satirize the dramatics of often very straight high school movies,
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  Speaker 4: and given to a lot of these movies revolve around
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  Speaker 4: like a big upcoming football game with their high school's
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  Speaker 4: rival team. This is something that the movie also does.
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  Speaker 4: So this whole movie, there's this like ongoing plot in
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  Speaker 4: the background that there's this big upcoming game with the
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  Speaker 4: rival school, Huntington. The school that they go to is
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  Speaker 4: called Rockbridge High School, which I didn't realize until I
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  Speaker 4: was writing this plot. But yeah, so the big rival
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  Speaker 4: school is called Huntington, and so there's all these things
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  Speaker 4: about like, oh my god, we got are growing up
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  Speaker 4: against Huntington. The movie also again given that they're like
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  Speaker 4: starting this like quote unquote self defense club that turns
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  Speaker 4: into like a fight club, it pulls a lot from
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  Speaker 4: David Fincher's nineteen ninety nine film Fight Club, which I
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  Speaker 4: will say is also one of my favorite movies.
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  Speaker 3: In one day, I'll write an episode.
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  Speaker 4: Defending why I love that movie. But I know it
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  Speaker 4: is like controversial anyways.
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  Speaker 3: So this movie begins at a.
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  Speaker 4: Carnival, again a very typical high school movie trope, where
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  Speaker 4: Josi mpj awkwardly try to flirt with their perspective crushes
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  Speaker 4: Isabelle who's played by Havannah Roslou and Brittany who's played
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  Speaker 4: by Kaya Gerber. Isabelle and Brittany are both like popular,
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  Speaker 4: beautiful cheerleaders, and Isabelle is dating the star of their
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  Speaker 4: high school's football team, Jeff, played by Nicholas gallaxyne I
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  Speaker 4: just realized I do not know how to say his
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  Speaker 4: last name, but of red white and Royal blue and
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  Speaker 4: that Anne Hathaway Harry Styles movie that just came out fame.
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  Speaker 4: So after failing to woo their crushes, Josie and PJ
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  Speaker 4: walk away dejected. Josie goes on this like unhinged, beautiful
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  Speaker 4: monologue about how she's never gonna get a girlfriend and
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  Speaker 4: she's gonna have to get married to like this gay
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  Speaker 4: guy at their school and they're gonna become super religious
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  Speaker 4: and apparently IOE improvised that she's brilliant. I'm obsessed with her.
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  Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite parts in the movie. So
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  Speaker 4: as they're leaving, they witness Isabelle storming away from a
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  Speaker 4: pleading Jeff, who apparently she caught flirting with one of
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  Speaker 4: the moms in their town. So PJ is kind of
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  Speaker 4: like egging Josie on, like, oh, you should go talk
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  Speaker 4: to her, and Josie offers Isabella safety ride.
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  Speaker 3: They're in Josie's car. It's about walks in.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff stands in front of the car and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not leaving until Isabelle comes out. Isabelle and PJ
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  Speaker 4: are really like egging Josie on. Josie slightly moves the
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  Speaker 4: car forward and like taps jeff'snee and of course he
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  Speaker 4: like falls over dramatically.
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  Speaker 3: This kind of leads us.
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  Speaker 4: To the introduction of like the rest of the football team,
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  Speaker 4: particularly this character Tim, who is Jeff's right hand man
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  Speaker 4: and at least appears to have like a one at
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  Speaker 4: least one sided homoerotic relationship with Jeff, again really leading
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  Speaker 4: into like making fun of a lot of these like
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  Speaker 4: character tropes of high school movies.
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  Speaker 3: So they all rush.
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  Speaker 4: To Jeff's aide and the girls driveway in a panic.
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  Speaker 4: So the next day we are at Rockbridge High School
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  Speaker 4: and we really get to see that like these girls.
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  Speaker 3: Are like losers.
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  Speaker 4: They are there's the double meaning of the film there
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  Speaker 4: at the bottom of the social cys structure or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: There's some graffiti with some choice words on their lockers,
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  Speaker 4: and then we learn two big things. So they walked
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  Speaker 4: to their history class that day, and we find out
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  Speaker 4: that the story of Josie lightly tapping jeffsny and him
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  Speaker 4: falling over has kind of been exaggerated into they like
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  Speaker 4: beat up Jeff. And then so also there's this other
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  Speaker 4: character named Hazel that's sort of like a third wheel
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  Speaker 4: friend with Josie and PJ, and they're ven a misunderstanding.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: While they're at the carnival, PJ makes kind of a
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: sarcastic joke about them maing it Juvy.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Hazel thinks it's serious and.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Tells the whole school that these girls had gone to
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Juvie the whole summer. Hazel's played by Ruby Cruz, who
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: she was in like Willow.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I never watched it. I don't know.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Any use I've it seems like, yeah, but I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: she also plays a queer character in that, which I
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: was like, that's really cool. She's great. I'm excited to
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: see her in more things. So everybody, like the whole
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: school's got of got this.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: New like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Reverend like weariness of the pair.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And Jeff walks in and he's got this like full
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: leg cast on and he's like threatening them. And then
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: so we also hero for the announcements over the schools
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: inter com. There's an announcement warning girls about an influx
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: of violent incidents carried out by the school's rival football team, Huntington,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: leading up to this big football game. There's a girl,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: an anonymous victim of this violence, who tells them about
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: how she was walking home from the carnival by herself
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: and she got punched in the face. And then this
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: is followed out by announcement, an announcement calling for the
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: quote ugly untalented gaze to report to the principal's office
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: that being PJ and Josie, they go there. The school's
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: principle brates them for committing a crime against Jeff, our
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: quarterback and the most good looking all American, red blood
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and muscular man this town has ever seen. And so
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: desperate to not gonna expelled and inspired by the earlier
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: announcement about the influx of violent attacks and girls at
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: their school, Josie makes up an excuse that the incident
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: was simply a misunderstanding and that they were practicing for
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: their self defense club. This gets them off the hook,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and while Josie is ready to just move on and
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: forget the incident, PJ latched onto this idea that they
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: should start an all girls fight club and this is
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: what we'll get girls to fall in love with them,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: particularly Isabelle and Brittany. Another one of my favorite scenes
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: in this movie involves PJ, Josie, and Hazel sitting on
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the bleachers concocting me this idea. Hazel again kind of
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: being you know, the straight man character of this whole
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: thing is straight man in like a comedy siense not
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and there's nothing heterosexual Hazel. She argues that this is
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: going to be like a great idea because quote, the
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: school has a serious lack of female solidarity, and it'll
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: be empowering. Josie doesn't want to do it. PJ is like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: this is going to get girls attention, It's going to
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: be great. There's another from the scene that I really
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: love and I think kind of guess all that whole
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: thing I was talking about before about like, I think
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I really loved that this movie lets queer characters be
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: awful and like kind of be awful in a way
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: that like straight characters and particularly straight male characters are.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Often allowed to be in these sort of movies.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Josie says about this whole idea, we can't do this,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: we'd be misleading them in PJ responds, guys do that
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: all the time. That's the point of feminism, to which
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Josie responds, that's not the point of feminism. Also, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: don't care about feminism. Your favorite show is Entorage, which, again, yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: going back to ten things I Hate about you, Like
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: the whole kind of premise of the movie is a
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: similar sort.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Of thing, like misleading the women of the story. Is
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: it something that like people should do. Is it something
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that's being encouraged. No, but it's a fun trope.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: It's a fun way to start the plot, and I
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: love that this film like allows that story to be queer.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: So the girls proceed to start this club.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: They find a sponsor in their detached history teacher mister
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: g who's play by Marshaun Lynch, who I did not
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: know was a football player when I saw this movie,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: but apparently he's a football player. He was great, who
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: we learn is going through a divorce and he agrees
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to help the pair because my mom says I need
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: a hobby.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: They then proceed to start the club.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: PJ steals hazel line about it being about female solidarity
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: and empowerment and kind of uses that to like try
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: to get girls to get involved.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: They get to the first meeting and.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: PJ is audibly disappointed that all these girls are ugly
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: that showed up, and then again proceeds to go on
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: a very like Tyler Jordan esque monologue about the rules
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: of the club and how they got to show up
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: in time and is being very like tough guy, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: then Brittany and Isabelle walk in and totally change his tone.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So then there's this like great montage where BC like
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the club really taking off, and we get to kind
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: of learn a little bit more about like the individual
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: girls that are in this club.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: They're all very like high school tro kind of characters.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It's it's fun.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: There's one who's kind of like the stoner like skater
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: girl character. There's this one character, Cella Rebecca, who's kind
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: of like the hot girl of the school. She's one
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: of the cheerleaders who There's another girl who's like very Christian.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: There's a montage on all the girls fighting each other.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: By the way, Charlie xcx co wrote the score, which
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: is part of why it is so amazing. We see
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: over this montage Josie really gaining confidence, and we also
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: see the duo kind of rising in their like social
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: rank of this high school. We see mister g starting
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: to talk about feminism in his history class, still sort
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: of in the satirical tone of the movie. There's a
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: shot of him writing on the whiteboard feminism.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Who started it?
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Question mark, Hey, Gloria steinem be a man see another woman, which.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I gotta say is somebody who went to like an
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: American public high school.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I that is not far off from like how they
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: taught us about like the women liberation movement.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Like I was like wait that, like literally it's like
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: who is glorious? Sign him? Okay, that's enough feminism for today.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: So this also is where we start to get some
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: conflict as the club is gaining its prominence, and we
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: see Tim, who again is Jeff's right hand man, noticing
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: the club kind of gaining more attention. He corners PJ
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and Josie and kind of plately threatens them to not
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: take attention away from the big game. Josie points out,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: this is kind of impossible. There's like pictures of Jeff everywhere.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: And then also we learn through Hazel's point of view
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: as she goes home from school one day that her mom,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: who she earlier in mention is going through this whole
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: like post divorce midlife crisis, has been hooking up with Jeff.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Quick note, Jeff is wearing his football uniform. This is
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: the whole like gender aesthetic. He's wearing his football uniform
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: for the entire movie. And like when we see him
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: in the scene, he like runs out and he still
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: out his shoulder pads on which I again, the costuming
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: is so good The next day, Hazel tells Josie and
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: PJ what she saw. Josie proceeds to tell Isabelle, and then,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: in another really beautiful sequence, we get to see Isabelle
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: on a war path as she.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Confronts Jeff in their high school cafeteria.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Jeff and the football team are seated in front of
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: a rendition of the creation of Adam, but with Jeff's
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: face on it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We had a football in hand, I must say, and a.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Football in ten.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's I just the set design, the costumes is
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: everything on this movie so good. The rest of the
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: fight Club rallies behind her. They're really like a unit.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Now they're going to plan their revenge. Hazel once again
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: doesn't have the best concept of like scale and tone
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: it all that suggests they should build a bomb, which
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: b Ja says, no, we're not going to do that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: But the next day, at night, they're at Jeff's house,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: all donning masks and they're egging his house. Isabelle and
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Josie are kind of having an intimate moment in the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: car alone. It's clear that Isabelle maybe has some feelings
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: for as well. The pair about to kiss and interrupted
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: by Hazel blowing up Death's car. I'm gonna get a
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: little bit more into this later when we discussed kind
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: of the whole movie, But something that I really like
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: about the movie is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Sort of the whole way that it which we'll talk
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: about more at the end too.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: The whole theme of like violence and how violence is
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: discussed in the movie was something that relea stood out
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: to me, I think, especially somebody who like.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Grew up and was in school during.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Like the peak of like school violence and gun violence
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and all of this like being in the news.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And again, I'm.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Gonna talk a little bit more about this later, Like
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I went to a high school where there was a.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Couple of school shooting scares.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And threats and stuff like that, and I think, just
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: later on kind of dealing with the sort of processing
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: some of what I had experienced in high school as
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: an adult, I think there was sort of a thread
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: of that in this movie that I think I really appreciated.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: So anyways, Hazel blows up the car, they all drive
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: away in the panic.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: The next day the club's meeting again, they're all kind
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: of like, oh, well, you know, it was nice, wh
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: we all lasted.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: But the club's over.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Now you know, the real fight club was the friends
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: we made along the way. At this point, we see
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Josie now fully committed to the whole grift. She stands
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: up and tells this really dramatic story about being in Juvie.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And which again they never want to Juvie.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: That's the whole lie here, their romantic tension between her
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and Isabel Rose. Everybody really seems ready to just kind
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of move on. PJ, on the other hand, is not.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: She really is arguing for them to keep the club going.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Hazel kind of responds something to the extent of like, hey, sorry, PJ,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: you didn't get what you wanted from this club, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: the rest of us are. We We got that and
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: we're ready to move on. They get into an argument.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Hazel points out the fact that she basically ran this
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: club for them. PJ calls Hazel loser with no friends
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: and escape for a mom. Hazel runs off crying. We
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: see a conniving Tim watching this whole interaction go off
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: and follow Hazel. Then we cut to a scene between
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Josie Isabel, who is come over to Josie's house to
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: work on a homework assignment. There's some awkward flirting between
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the two. We get a little bit more of a
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: backstory into Josie and pj's friendship, their childhood best friends
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: who grew up with the same babysitter, an older lesbian
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: name Rhodes, who PJ calls their gay Yoda. The pair
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: finally kiss, and then we cut to Britney's bedroom where
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: a PJ and sort of a parallel scene, Pj's over
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: to help with a homework assignment. There's some awkward flirting,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: except when PJ leans into kiss Brittany, she informs her
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that she's straight. So the next day there's a big
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: PEP rally and we see Josie's liding to the bleachers
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: next to PJ, excited to tell her about the night
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: with Isabelle. Before they can really talk, the PEP rally starts.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: There's a brief performance by the True Leading Squad, which
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: just entails them dumping a bottle of water on Cella Rebecca,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: who's that like hot girl cheer leer character who's part of.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: The fight club.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Tim runs out announces that you know, before the festivities start,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: they're going to have the demonstration from this fight club
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that they've been hearing about that's been the big thing
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: that everybody's been talking about. So they break out Hazel,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: who they announced is one of the founders of the club,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: who's going to fight the school's top boxer, Tucker, who
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: is this massive dude they bring out in a cage. Also,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize this till like the second time I
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: watched the movie, but he's in the background of a
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: bunch of shots in a cage, Like there's just a
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: a dude in a cage and a bunch of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: background shots in the movies, and then you realize, Oh,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: it's the boxer guy that they're going to bring out.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Hazel's sort of like, way, way wait, I thought I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: was gonna fight PJ.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: What's going on? He look at her handed to her.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Tim gets his big villain speech moment where he's like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I know what you're wondering. How could a girl under
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the tutelage of two Juvi trained killers can't even stand.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Up for herself against the regular old dude.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: The regular old dude of course being this like giant guy,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: but again like perfect satirical, like laying out a very
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: misogynistic like gotcha point of like, oh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: It's like shouldn't you be able to fight? Like, come on,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: are you kidding me?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: She held her own for a minute, I will shed
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: maybe she will win this. Sometimes she didn't.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: She did, and of course, so then he reveals they
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: did not go to Juvie and they did not start
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: this club to empower women, but to cheerleaders, and then
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: he gets the line, what is wrong with you? It
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: is such a shame. We were really rooting for you girls.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: She can't I think, just going back to the whole
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: satirical tone of this movie, Like I think, like watching
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: this as a queer person, where it's like the minute
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you as particularly as like a woman or an a
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: fab queer person, I think expressed the fact that you
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: have sexual desire or that you whatever, like that is
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: stigmatized so much, And I think when.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: We talk about like there is a level of like
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I think my criticism of a lot of these other
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: kind of queer movies that have been very sanitized and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: very much for a straight audience, like there's a reason
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: they're very bland and like sexless and whatever, and again
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: like not every movie has to have like this level
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: of you know whatever, But like I think there is
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a level to which like straight a straight audience is
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: wanting to accept, like queer characters that do not express
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: sexual desire, that do not express you know, the fact
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: that they too are feeling these same feelings that straight
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: people have.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah, PJ and Josie are ostracized by the group.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Isabelle confronts Josie and breaks it off with her for
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: lying to her.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: There's a great line from one of.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: The club members who's the like really christian one who says,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I thought this club was about sisterhood, but it's all
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: about your own self interest. This is a second wave
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: all over again.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that line line.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: So the rest of your rallier on Hazel Bay leave
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: PJ and jose alone. Be confronted by a betrayed mister
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: G says I trusted you too, y'all exploit in my solidarity.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I played the role of an amazing ally, which I get.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty I've had that conversation with like male feminists
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: before so many times, Like I was like, oh my god,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: i feel like I'm having deja voo to like the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: minute I do so, I like slightly criticize something that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: you did or said or whatever, Like, what do you mean,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I'm an amazing ally Like, I don't know that was.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I love that line so like.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: That's a white feminist characteristic exactly often.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I love when he crosses through feminism. Char That's such
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: a good scene.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It's such a sad.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this PJ and Josie get in a fight
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: over who's fault it was. There's this traumatic montage to
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Afrilppian's complicated music choice is perfect hysterical, yeahbously mister g
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: crossing out feminism. The graffiti on their lockers has been
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: replaced by Horny Freak number one and Horny Freak number two,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: and this montage ends with Josie going to see Rhodes
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: their gaey Yoda to ask her advice about how to
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: fix the duo's friendship.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Rhodes doesn't really give her.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, so Roads by the Way is played by Punky
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Johnson ASNL Fantastic. She doesn't really really give her much advice.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: It's very much kind of like the just whimsical whatever.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But then she does tell her about this big football
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: game with hunting them that's coming up. Rhodes reveals that
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: every year that this happened, so like every twenty years,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: there's this big game. The Huntington football team kills a
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: member of the Rockbridge Falls High School football team, so
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Josie realizes that they're gonna kill Jeff and runs to
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: find kJ so that they can save the day. We're
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: now on the last scene of the film, which is
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: the part that I this is the last twenty minutes
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: are like an insane fever dream. I'm gonna do the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: best I can to run through everything that happens.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: This is where I said, wait, what just happened?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I have made so many people sit down and watch
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: this movie, and every time it's like, oh, this is great,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Oh wait what? Like? So PJ and Josie race to
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: the football game, where they find the rest of the
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: club and plea for their help to stop the game,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: pointing out that there's nobody from Huntington on the other side,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: which feels like a red flag that something is about
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: to go wrong. PJ offers a half hearted apology to Hazel,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: who accepts. PJ tells her they need a distraction, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: this time Hazel gets to build her bomb, but it
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: does not go off, so the girls proceed to distraction
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Plan two, which is of course yelling at the cheerleaders
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to make out.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Understandable. Next step.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: They don't Isabelle and Brittany are so mad at them,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: So Hazel and PJ start to make out, which again
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: another great scene because it leads to a couple of notable.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Reactions sell her.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Rebecca sees them and goes, wait, I'm gay.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Brittany says, I'm not. I just like gay porn, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Jeff says this is nothing like porn. Wait is porn
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: even real?
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: This is going on. Josie is off trying to figure
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: out what's.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Going on, realizes that Huntington has brought a bunch of
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: pineapple juice, which earlier in the film, and it has
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: established that Jeff is deathly allergic to By the way,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: as a fellow deathly I have a severe allergy to nuts,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: And I was like, love the representation.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Good to note I didn't know those about you.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: The scene where Tim like knocks the pineapple out of
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: the way. I was watching this with like my roommates,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: so they were all like, literally like the day before
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: there was something where like we were getting some food
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: and there was something with.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: That, so and they were like, no, Joey, and I
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: was like, that's you guys. I didn't even see it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: You were like, no, Like I can look at it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: It's fine, I just can't eat it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: No.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: But anyways, Yeah, so they realized there must be pineapple
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: juice somewhere in the field that they're gonna use to
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: kill Jeff. This accumulates in a big fight scene between
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: the fight club, Isabelle and Brittany, now having joined into help,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: They basically killed the whole Huntington football team. At first
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: kind of by accident, and then just you know, they
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: end with all the players.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Dead on the field.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Through this whole thing, Josie heroically saves Jeff by like
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: carrying him across the field just in time before the
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: sprinklers go off. Once the rest of the crowd realizes
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: that the girls saved Jeff's lives, they all cheer. Everybody clapped.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Isabelle and Josie are reunited. Josie apologizes, Isabelle tells her,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: you know, you didn't have to start a whole fight
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: club just to date. You could have just like talked
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: to me. They kiss. The music swells We've reached the
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: end of the film. The camera pans out and then
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: the bomb goes off behind the tree and if we've
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: reached the end.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: I do like that at one point in which Josie
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: was like when she says, you don't have to do this,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: you know, fight, She's like, well, we'll talk about how
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: real that really? She's actually trying to be like, no,
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: I did try to talk to you.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That didn't work.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Remember they did terribly beginning to their crushes. Respective it
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: was real bad.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It was funny.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, this movie took a hard left for
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: me and I was like, what's happened?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: What's happening? Did they are they all dead? No one cares? Okay.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: I also love that she was too small to hold
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: it just fell, My god, was classic. I was like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: that's correct, that is the correct way this would have gone.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: So some realistic thing.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Isabelle and Brittany and like their cheerleader uniforms, like
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: beating up like it was. It was very like Buffy
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: the Vampire Slayer type like it really was. And again
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: this is what I say where I think like this
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: film so brilliantly like satirizes a lot of tropes from
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: high school movies. I think just taking the that whole
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: like the seriousness of the like this is the rival
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: football team, we have the big game that's coming up,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: plotline that is in so many movies, and.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Being like, well, what if it literally was life or death.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And what if it literally ended with like a action.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Movie type battle. I love it. I thought that was great.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the end, and then of course really quick
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: because then they show the.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Title and then there's a quick like short slean Earlier
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: on the film, there's a quick like cut way where
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's like Jeff like throws something and it
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: hits this like really goth like emo kid in the
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: back of the head. He goes, that's it, and then
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: he writes, I'm bombing the school.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Cut away, They don't go back to it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: And then at the end of the movie, after the
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: bomb goes off, they cut to him and he goes, damn,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: that was supposed.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: To be my thing. And again I think, like this
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: is one of those things.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Where I'm like, there's so many different reactions to like, look, okay,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: So I was in like eighth grade when the like
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Newtown shooting happened. I had just graduated in high school
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: when Parkland happened. I was in high school, like during
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: the where this was like the kind of I do
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: not think there was a day I went to school
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: and I was not thinking about, like how would I
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: get out of here if I needed to, And that
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: was just something that was so normalized, and I like
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I just kind of had to accept that that was
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: part of my life. And like I have told this
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: to people in my life that are like a generation
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: or a couple generations older that are all like, oh
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: my god, that's horrifying. I'm kind of like, I don't know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: that was just sort of like part of life. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: like when I was a senior, we had a and
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: we add an attempted school shooting.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: In my high school.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: There was a year after I left there was another
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: attempt and like luckily nobody died, nobody was hurt, but
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: it was just something that was so prevalent in my
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: mind when I was in high school, and I think
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: like there was something very refreshing about like being able
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: to have a.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Joke about it in this movie and being able.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: To like almost sort of talk about the fact that
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: it is such a like insane thing to just have
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: in the background this whole time.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, that's that's my thoughts on it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I guess that there's other people that maybe you could
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: have seen that and I'm like, oh, that was like
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: a poorly carried out joke or whatever, but those that
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: was my thought, right, Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: I think that's definitely a take that at this point,
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: what else can you do when no one else takes
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: it seriously? And literally the government doesn't take it seriously,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: the politicians, right, these issues have occurred like ever since Columbine,
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: which was my age, like it just has increased tenfold
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: if not more, and the fact that nothing's being done,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: what else can you do? Like, it's just like at
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: the exactly point, y'all have made it. Y'all, being the
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: authority and protectors of what should be of the you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: the future, have done So we'll just, I guess joke
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: about it, because there's nothing much the other than crying
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: for real.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And I mean, like I've I've seen TV shows take
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: a route of trying to do a serious plot line
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: about school violence, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: and I think, you know, I don't know, like I
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: like literally like last year, I remember, like my roommate
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: was watching some like old CW shows that had been
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: on when we were in high school, and like they
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: had a plot line about school shootings, and I just
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: remember being like like I don't I don't want to
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: watch this, Like I don't like it a It's like
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I was like I was like literally going through and
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: pointing out the things that they I was like, actually,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: they would do this this way or like this.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Is what they do, like there wouldn't. They would be
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: on the announcements.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Already like yelling at people like I don't know. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's so like weird and surreal and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: dystopian that I'm watching this and being like they're dealing
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: with the school shooting wrong, Like.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Was it Seventh Heaven?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't it was were you watching Heaven? I know?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: But I remember I remember they had a they had
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a plot and it made a lot of news.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Oh it was the Fosters. Yeah, I that was before
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: my time, but Seventh happened. But I don't like Lee
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: also did a plot line or.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: They did a school shooting for some reason, like I don't.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Know, geez, but something they had there was a gun,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: like they did like modify but there was nothing.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And also so on the kind of route of
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the violence of this film. So there was in an
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: interview and and that whole ending scene and how like
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: the ridiculousness of the whole fight scene. For an interview
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: in La Times, Segulman said about this movie and about
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: some of the movies that like she had wanted to
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: see as a teenager. Looking back, I would have love
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: to have seen more queer female characters. But I also
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: would have loved to have seen girls beating each other
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: up and fighting to save the day. And I love
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: movies like Scott Pilgrim and Kicks and Attack the Block
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: movies where a bunch of boys are getting together to
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: be rambunctious and fight and do stuff. And so this
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: is accumulation of a lot of different movies with young
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: teen female characters I wish I could have seen. And
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I think, like, like, yeah, that last scene really reminded
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: me a lot of like Scott Pilgrim and like a
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: lot of these other sort of like comedy movies where
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: there can be that level of violence, and it's sort
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: of like Sad Rise in a way where it's like
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: we're not really gonna like the violence isn't the issue.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: The violence is more a way to like talt this
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: plot line, and yeah, that was fun. Again, Like it
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: was cool seeing like the cheerleaders like beating people up
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: and they're in the in thest like really dramatic, like
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: almost like superhero movie like kind of poses and stuff.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Again, I told you at the beginning, I told Annie,
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: I was like, this is the more satirical, funny sketch
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: version of heathers oh, which was a dark comedy of
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: what it was, and it was essentially similar conversations without
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: the actual queer characters, although it was queer coded definitely, definitely,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: which I made any watch when I first met.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Her body Yes, oh my god, wait, okay, that's so.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I remember showing this from a movie to her friend
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: and their response was, okay, So this reminds me a
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: lot of like how like Heather's was in a conversation
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: with like pretty.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, any know the Brett Peck six think Candle's pretty.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: In pain right, which which I will say, like I
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: the high school movies that I grew up watching was
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of the like John Hughes movies, and those
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: never spoke to me. I never really liked those movies,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: and that was like a lot of the same reasons why,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Like I think I have I have my own criticism
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: of like Love Simon and Art Stopper and a lot
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: of these movies that provide a very like idealized version
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: of high school and so the way that Heather's is
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: kind of in conversation with those movies is very similar
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: to like I think what Bottoms is doing to the
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: sort of contemporary trend of high school movies.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I also do, Yeah, I Love Heather is good. So
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: it's just a b where it's like it's a it's
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: a fun movie, and yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, but yeah, this is definitely like the more.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Funny, lighthearted version of that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: And then so the other part I think, which I
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: brought up earlier, marrying this to other kind of queer
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: movies about queer people in high school that have come
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: out around the same time. Something that I really liked
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: about this movie was it didn't revolve around the characters
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: coming out or coming to terms with their identity. They
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: were already like when they're introducing the movie, they're established
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: to be queer. You could have made this movie about
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: straight people and it would have been essentially the same plot, you.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Know, like it definitely, like the queerness is integral to it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: It is important, it is a part of the story,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: but it's like, it's not a movie about them being gay.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: It's a movie about being a high schooler and it
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: and they also just happened to be gay, which I
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: felt that was very refreshing because there's so many movies
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: where like, the queerness is the big issue that we
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: have to deal with. The queerness wasn't the issue. The
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: issue was again like the ups and downs of dealing
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: with coming to terms with your sexuality and none other way.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: In high school.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: There's a line at the beginning of the movie where
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Josie says, the school is such a gay and Pja responds,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: people don't hate us because we're gay. People hate us
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: because we're gay, ugly and untalented.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: WHI.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's part of the like they're not Nobody doesn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: like them because they're gay. They hate them because they're losers,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: which yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: And then the other pics that I.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Want to talk about is when this movie was marketed
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: and when it was first like kind of when it
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: first came out, it was really funny because there was
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: a brief moment where there was some Twitter controversy over
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: the tagline, which is a movie about empowering women, especially
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: the hot ones. And again to that point, some people,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I think, without really looking into what the movie was
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: about or what it was, like, what the Again, it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: a satire.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be making fun of these things.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Like we're very upset about it, and we're sort of like,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: oh my god, why that's not feminist if it's that,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: and it's like, that's that's the point, that's the point.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: The point is it's making fun of all these things.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Like there's a million movies out there that are about
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: guys trying to woo girls that they think are hot,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: and like it's supposed to making fun of that and
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: making fun of a like and kind of make yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: like having.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: A messy, horny, like over the top version of that was.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: For the gays too, and like talking about the fact that, like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: sexual desire is not something that straight people only experience,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: and it's not something that men only experience. Like I
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: found having female queer female characters just be so explicit
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: about what they wanted that was very refreshing and something
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: that I did think was interesting, Like looking into this
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: movie a bit more was.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: The director.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Emma Seldman talked about how it was hard to get
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: this movie made because of that and because of sort
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: of the niche or perceived like niche audience is gonna have.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: This ended up kind of being like an like a hit,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: because I do think, yeah, like there's elements about it
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: that are universal. But according to Deadline, the film was
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: taken up by producer Alison Small and landed at Ryan
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: after numerous productions. Seligman talked about how like, it was
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: really hard to get this movie made because a lot
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: of studios turned it down, and then also in another
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: article about the film in slash Film quote, Siegelman also
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: said that securing product placement was essentially a non starter,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: including those so called progressive corporations, because they were all
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: too offended by the content of the film. Selgman hasn't
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: outed any of these cutlass worms, my words, not hers,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: but she did say, quote, just think of any liberal
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: corporation that has a pride float. They were all like, no,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: not only will we not do something with you, but
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: do not put anything of ours in there. It was
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: really disheartening, and I think as we're having this larger
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: conversation about how corporations use pride and use queer aesthetics
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: sometimes as like marketing thing when it can be you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: nice and respectable and not cause any controversy, and then
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: are so so quick to pull back as soon as anything,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: as soon as there is any backlash from the right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: or as soon as anything is like a little bit
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: more outside of you know, the kind of heteronormative expectations
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: that these things they'll have to fall into, or like
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: toes the line like a little bit more than they want,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: They're so quick to just like turn their backs. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: think this is another example of like, yeah, there was
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: this very like queer film that has really spoken to
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of people. The fact that there weren't really
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: any companies that wanted to be involved with it, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: think that's saying something. And so then the last big
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: thing I wanted to talk about was like the casting
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: of this movie, because I think that was very intentional.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: And this is another thing that I think I really
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: loved about this movie. So this is a quote from
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Them magazine, which is a UCLA publication.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Quote.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: The integrity of the casting makes quote the nerd and
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: the cheerleader take new shape, pushing them beyond the stereotypes
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: and nostalgic punch lines. When looking to cast the character
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: of Hazel, played by the ever charming RuBee Cruz, the
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: casting team was surprised by the new Colors crews brought
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: to the text.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: This character was a nerd who was also secretly very cool.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: The role suddenly contained a mix of self confidence and
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: the desire to be part of something larger. In an
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: interview with Indie Wire, Selgman reflects that when you are
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: incerting queer characters into these tropes from the teen movie genre,
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: they will come out differently.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: They can't just copy what has been done. That happened
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: naturally with Hazel so like.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: And that I think that is something that I've seen
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of people's reaction to this movie being like, well,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: it didn't make any sense that Hazel was kind of
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: like the nerd or like the loser character, because like
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: she's so cool and she's so like beautiful, and it's
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: like that's kind of part of the point is like
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: it's playing with these tropes. It's like you you're casting
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: a like which, yeah, like Ruby Cruz gorgeous, so much
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: like charm and like I just like such.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: An cool like literally I think I don't know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: I gain I didn't watch Willow, so Annie you can
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: speak to this, but I see if like her character
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: was sort of like very like bad and charming, and
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: like I was like, okay, cool, Like I like that,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Like we're taking that kind of character, and yeah, when
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: you are queer in high school, like oftentimes you still
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: sort of are the outcast, like regardless of how like
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: cool and chill you are or whatever. Another thing that
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I've seen talked about in this film was kind of
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: how it deals with the whole like black best friend
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: trope that we see in a lot of like high
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: school movies and particularly a lot of like high school
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: movies from like the nineties and early two thousands. When
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: like we're first introduced to Josie p Day, it kind
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: of seems like again, like Josie sort of falls into
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: that trope of being like the black best friend like
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: sidekick character. When they first see the graffiti on the
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: lockers Josie's number one and pg's number two. TJ has
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: a line where she's like, you're the sidekick, not me,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: and like, even though at the start of the film,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: again like Pj's kind of the one initiating a lot
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: of the plot of the movie. Josie is the one
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: that we see ultimately grow as a character, and like
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: through that kind of ends up being the main character.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: I found this medium article about the film, which is
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: written by Aliya Brunelle Mormont, and when she states quote
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: subverting the comedy genre, the white best friend PJ assumed
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: to fail while the black protagonist perseveres in all her glory.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I've seen the same kind of argument about Tim, who's
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: also kind of introduced as like Jeff's sidekick, but then ultimately,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: like through the course of the movie, Jeff is like
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: a complete airhead, has no idea what's happening in the
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: entire time, Tim is really the main villain. So something
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: I think that was really cool that this movie did
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: is again like taking it is entirely like a movie
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: about tropes, right.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And it takes it's with Hazel, with Josie, with PJ,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: with Tim.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: It subverts a lot of these tropes on their head
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: and sees the ways that we can reimagine them in
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: a queer context.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And I really love that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: That gives me a lot of hope for the future
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: of these types of films and the future of like
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: queer reimaginings of these genres.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's really fun. It's fun to like reimagine tropes
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: or see them done differently. Yeah, it's refreshing.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I like it too.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: I want to end on a quote that's also from
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: that femb magazine article that says, quote, whether it's a
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: cult classic or not, Bottoms is more than just nostalgic
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: for the wild time of twenty twenty three. It's emblematic
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: and dare I say optimistic for a new generation's vision
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: of filmmaking. The film's disregard for social and cinematic etiquette
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: rifally encapsulates frustration of today's youth, presenting a story that
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: is as joyous as it is delightfully uncomfortable, and then
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I think gets at kind of my main takeaway from this.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: It is such a ridiculous movie. It is like so
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: much happens, there's so many it is so irreverent, it
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: is so its own unique thing, and I love that,
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: and that is what I hope we really see more of,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I think going forward with queer film and like just
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: film in general.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean it's definitely one of those like
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: very smart, fast, fast talking off pace, like off pace,
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: like it keeps you going in one way or the other,
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: whether you get comfortable or not, it jumps to another thing.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You're like what, oh what? Oh yeah, car bombing was
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere, like there was ending the house and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you're like the nd oh.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: She's gonna bomb the car. Okay, that's one.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: And then like there's so many games.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're gonna.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: Kill somebody and the like they're literally gonna oh, they're
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: gonna kill an entire football team. No one seems to care. Cool, Okay,
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: we got that, we got that, and then everybody makes
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: out even better, even better, let's go. Like it definitely
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: hit up all of that with all of the like
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: again with like the good one liners, whether it was
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: Ao or Marshall Lynch or like Hazel character, like they
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: did each line that was so specific to that character
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: and or to the plot that you were like, what's
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: that come from? That?
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: It's a smart comedy that actually has been like oh,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: maybe i'm too old for insances. What's happening? Like half
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of that was for me as well, but it was
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, look at it is reminiscent of the
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: times of like whether it was Heather's in the eighties
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: or Ten Things I Hate About You in the late nineties,
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: is like it kind of hits into that remember young
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: like the younger generation or whatever it was at that time,
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: or smarter than you think, and here's like this is
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: what's entertaining them, And yeah, if you don't understand, you
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: don't understand, like the end of story, because like that
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: level that it's like, yes, oh okay, I love it.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: Let's keep making these like hilarious levels of commentary that
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: also takes a while to figure out.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I one of the things I remember,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: one of the articles I was reading about this movie
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: was talking about the fact that something that it does
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: too is that like a lot of movies that focus
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: on teenage girls will kind of have like a like
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: girl power undertone, this movie explicitly is in conversation with
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: feminism and explicitly has a lot of jokes that have
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: to do with having some knowledge like feminism and feminist
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: history and all of that. And it's like, you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: despite a movie that is about two girls trying to
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: trick other girls into wanting to sleep with them, is
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: like a very feminist movie in the way that it
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: like it is very explicit about the fact that it
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: is in conversation with a lot of these like overarching
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: feminist ideas, and like even the joke about like, oh,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: let's just the second wave all over again. There's like
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: another joke about like oh, my uterus belongs to the
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: government or like like that. Like there's all these like
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: little quips that it's like you have to kind of
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: have a little bit more of it, like it goes
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: beyond the surface level, just like Girl Boss, like girl
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: power idea. It's like an it requires a little bit
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: more of an understanding of like what feminism is and
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: what like the status of women and queer women in
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: the world right now is.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: And I I love that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely in the background the whole time too,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of posters that's like smile more women,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: He'll like you. It's very much in that kind of
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: heteromele gaze of this is your your your part to play,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and so it was it was nice to see characters
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that just don't care about that, like no, that's not
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: my thing, and just a bunch of like conversations around
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: like the teacher with allies and that and like really
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: bad flirting in the beginning with the beings in Oh yeah,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, so that was there. That was there,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: and then yeah, like there's this whole seed where they're
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: like trauma, like trauma dumping it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, in that way, it is consistent throughout in
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a way that's both funny and kind.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Of like yep, yeah, it makes you thing.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: And again, I think like I've also like talked to
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: people that were like, well, I didn't really like it
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: because I don't like how casually they just talked about
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: like sexual assault and.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I get that, that's understandable. Like
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: I think again, like everybody has different responses to things,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: and I think that's an understandable response. I watched it,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: and my response was like, Wow, this is really cathartic
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: to be able to like joke about this in a
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: way that is not exploitative, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: think it's definitely a movie that is consistently like commenting
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: on again, like a lot of this stuff that was
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: very present in my life when I was in high
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: school and navigating high school as like a queer teenager. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I think the movie does a good job of discussing
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of that and like a very satirical, over
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: the top way.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree we should come back later and just
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: talk about our high school experiences because I didn have
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: moments watching his or was like is that.
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: What it's like? Or is this Yes, I feel like
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: it's throwing it back because the cheerleader like the captain
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: of the team and the high school cheerleader thing I
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: thought was so nineties that.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is it back? Is that back now?
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Because for a minute, you know how it did the
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: whole what was that show Hill when it's like it's
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: not cool to be an athlete anymore to the nerd
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: And that was like mid two thousands, So I'm like, oh, okay, yeah,
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: that's about right. Like have we gone back to being
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: the jock?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Is the better way?
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, huh, I don't know, I will say, I
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: mean like, I don't know, and I like everybody's high
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: school different and I went to school. I went to
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: a huge high school too, so it was very like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, we didn't have as much as like
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: the social structure.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I think just because everybody was kind of doing their
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: own thing.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: But like that was but that was That's another thing
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: where I think like this movie does a good job
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: of like satirizing those films, because like I grew up
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: watching a lot of the like John Hughes movies and
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of like yeah, like the early two thousands
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: movies that were very much like yeah, the popular kids
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: are the cheerleaders and the football players.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: And like.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I think I knew the names of like two cheerleaders
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: like by high school.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Like it was just kind of like, oh, that's like
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: another activity people do, Like I don't know, it wasn't
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: like right, Like I was sort of like, oh.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: This isn't what I was told high school was going
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to be like.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: And I feel like this movie doesn't like also kind
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: of makes fun of that, Like this is the image
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: that we have in the movies of what high school is.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Like what high school?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I knew some game cheerleaders like they were cool.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I will tell you I related with the football is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: everything that was in my town.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: That was everything.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever seen the faculty? No, it's like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety nine, yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: The nineties.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, but it's a horror film kind of okay.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: My senior year of high school, our football team lost
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: every single game, which was really funny.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: We were not a football high school.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: We went either a small town. We were a small
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: town in the South. We were not a high school
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: football team like football town either, because we sucked, so
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: no one really cared like you cared because you did things.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: That was the only thing to do, and most of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: the people in the town was involved. Outside of that,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: the band did so much more. The band actually ruled
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: our school more than any other groups, like Homecoming Queen
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: and all of that, because that was that level.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: They were a force.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I was in band, My experience was different, but I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: believe the Homecoming Queen was from band. She was pretty
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: good though, I actually liked her. I say that as if.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: There were.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I meane there were there were this level.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: High school experience aside, God, I don't know.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I was a I was a theater kid.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Theater kid.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a cheerleader in a theater.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: You were a cheerleader. Oh my god, I don't know
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: should be offended by the like that weirdly makes sense.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: This was some thing though, No, because like I know
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: that no, that is I just I was.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Gonna say, like I feel like I know this is
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: going back to the whole like cheerleader trope and and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: where I was like so many of the people that
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: I knew that used to be cheerleaders, like we're not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: like then grew up and we're not.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Like the preppy like I don't know.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I's well, this is why we have to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: examine the tropes.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: So we have to examine the tropes.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: I was a dancer for a really long time too,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: so I feel like there was there's an alternate universe
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: or maybe that was.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Me different like eras too different eras well.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Clearly, yes, we should come back and talk about this, uh,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: because it was. It was a really fun movie. I'm
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: glad you turned us onto it. I hadn't heard of it,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed it, and I did I did
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: make me think about a bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I never heard.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Of it really, so thank you. I remember it was
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: a big when it came out.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was just behind the times and some very
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: specific ways I'm behind the times and other ways I'm
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: like way ahead. It's bizarre, right, But yes, I really
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it and thank you so much for coming on
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: and talking about it and sharing this with us.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Of course, thank you for having me, thank you for
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: letting me just talk about this movie.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: So glad you guys liked to Yeah.
• 1:03:06
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• 1:03:13
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