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The Eagles Season Is Almost Here! (PST Episode 523) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  All right, everybody, you're listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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  the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right over
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  ten years strong. We've got some great content coming your way. It is
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  July nineteenth, twenty twenty three. Hope you enjoy these subject matters we're gonna
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  be getting into in the world Philly sports. Here I am Jeff Warren and
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  I'm here with my good buddy Len hunts Sicker. Len, Buddy, you're
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  now a homeowner, man, Congratulations, and just let everybody know, Yeah,
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  we're so now. It's like all the fun that goes along with that.
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  So we're in there. We're in the moving process of moving, cleaning,
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  decluttering, which the decluttering is the only like really good part because it's
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  like, okay, doesn't haven't opened that been in two years? Get rid
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  of it exactly. For someone like me, it's kind of like a bit
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  of a pack rat, like it's it's necessary, and it's kind of the
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  only soothing part of this that I think I genuinely am good with is just
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  the decluttering. And they're like, I'm finally making a decision that I'm getting
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  rid of this crap, Like so, yeah, you've been a pack rat
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  for most of your life growing up, And I remember my twenties and stuff
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  like I would just keep stuff that I thought was sentimental to me, and
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  then like fifteen years later I'd look in and be like, why did I
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  decide to keep this, like or yeah, you have a thought of like,
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  well I might need this, like yeah, And it's not We're not
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  talking hoarder. Hoarders is not like you know, twenty years of stacks in
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  newspaper and you know, uh, you know, meat for lunch, meat
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  from like eight years ago. You know, collecting juice in the fridge.
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  It's it's not that, but it's just like, you know, you have
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  something you're like, even if it's like a piece of paperwork or love here,
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  like I might need that down a rude, I don't want to lose
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  that, like you know, you just you just keep stuff you do.
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  And so it's it's getting rid of all that stuff. I have been becoming
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  more of a minimalist as I'm getting older, and I don't know if just
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  what it's what happens, you know when you start to hit hit midlife,
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  you know, but I am becoming more and more of a minimalist. I
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  just don't want a lot of stuff. I don't want a lot of clutter.
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  I want things to look nice, you know. I want things to
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  look nice for when I'm in my house and when people come over, and
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  I just want to be comfortable. I don't want to look at stuff,
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  you know what I mean, Like, I don't want to look at a
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  lot of stuff. That's kind of the agreement that me and my wife have
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  in terms of like Christmas and birthdays and stuff like that is, don't buy
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  me stuff. Get me an experience, Take me to a concert, take
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  me to a ball game, taking a like, take me somewhere, let's
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  do something rather than having physical stuff. I love it. I really do.
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  Think. That's how much Shell and I are, honestly, honest to
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  God, that's how we are at the point where it's like, I mean,
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  I'm a bad person to shop for because if I if I need or
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  want something, I just go get it. I don't wait. So I'm
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  like the worst person to have to buy gifts for. Um. And since
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  they're like, yeah, I don't need stuff. If I need it,
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  I've probably already gone out and got it, So yeah, I don't need
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  more like that kind of stuff. I love just giving money exactly. Just
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  give us money, just give me money. Look, I love all of
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  our Philly sports teams. I love the Eagles, but my god, I
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  don't need another Eagles knickknack. Yeah, holidays, I don't need it.
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  Family and friends, I don't need it. Okay. But but you're but
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  they know you as that guy because you have a show and you're talking about
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  this stuff. So it's like, oh, well, Jeff likes this.
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  We're gonna get them. That's and that's you're gonna have to actually say something
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  to those people like you are because they're just they're thinking the stuff to get
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  you, and that's what they know of you, and that's what they're gonna
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  do. So yes, and I feel it's such a conversation. I know,
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  I feel like it's in great right now. Yeah, but you're not,
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  You're You're you're being realistic about you know, how much stuff you want
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  to have. It's not you know, Yep, I don't think that's being
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  any grid. I think it's just being realistic. I can't wait to come
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  out to your new house. I want I want to invite. Yeah,
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  once once we get everything to where it's everything's put away and presentable and all
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  that stuff. Yeah, well, definitely looking forward to having people over all
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  right, all right, good, all right, I want to watch a
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  Phillies game in your house at some point down the road. We're certainly going
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  to talk about the Phillies on this show. Major League Baseball as well,
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  and Len, we're gonna be talking some Philadelphia unions and you're on. Fact
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  of the matter is that their head coach, Jim Kurtney, just got a
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  contract extension through twenty twenty six, So we're gonna talk about that for a
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  little bit, some quick flyers talk. With a two year contract extension given
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  a Noah Cads Tony D'Angelo placed on waivers, gonna get into some Sixers talk,
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  some NBA talk as well. There, and well, we're thrown down
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  on the table this week Vince Quinn from The Bell and the Birdman podcast.
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  He's gonna join us to talk about this upcoming Eagles season as we're just a
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  couple of weeks away from the start of training camp. So Len, let's
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  get into the Phillies. Let's get into some Phillies major League Baseball talk here,
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  and really really quick, I wanted to start off the Major League Baseball
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  discussion with. It was something I believe it was Jason Stark, something he
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  just put out there talking about the fact that there should be what's called ay
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  quote legends home run derby, Legends of Baseball home run derby. And he
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  was talking about this during the All Star break, possibly having you know,
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  Ken Griffy Junior, you know, David Ortiz, Albert Poholes, you know
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  these guys, even Jim Tobey, you know, swinging the bat at their
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  age, and what that might look like. Because Ken Griffy Junior was like
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  talking some trash about this and he was just he was doing awesome Ken Griffy
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  Junior stuff. I love him, I love him, and I would love
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  to see him swing the bat, even at his age right now. But
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  I was thinking about this, I'm like, would this actually be good for
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  the game of baseball? Would it be good for us older guys who would
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  be a little bit nostalgic to see Griffy or Tease, Tomay and Albert Poolholes
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  out there swinging the bat at their age. But then I was like,
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  you know what, there's gonna be a certain level of expectation for US fans
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  about what they are going to do or what they don't do out there,
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  and could it be more pathetic or could it be a disappointment for us watching
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  these old guys swinging the bat tried because they're not going to be hit.
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  I highly doubt they're gonna be hitting home runs that are like over four hundred
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  feet. Yeah, you know what I mean. So I don't know,
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  what do you do? You what did you think about this when you kind
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  of heard this news. I mean it might initially be fun, but I
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  don't know, like when, like I don't know, like how how long
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  is it going to be before the novelty wears off? Like Okay, if
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  you have a let's say you have the first time you're doing it this with
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  that foresome griffy or tease tomy pooholes. I think people would be interested in
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  it. But it's also incumbent upon upon these players. You know, you
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  have some guys that are just like, Okay, my career is over.
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  I don't necessarily have to be in prime physical condition anymore. Yeah, I
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  can screw off a little bit and then, like I don't know, if
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  you watch an actual home run derby with actual major league players in their prime,
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  you're swinging and swinging and swinging and swinging. Those guys get tired,
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  they do, and they're they're at the top of their profession, in their
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  physical prime. So you know, you're gonna have older guys that, you
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  know, maybe aren't. You know, I'm not saying they're just gonna,
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  you know, just sit on the couch and eat potato chips as soon as
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  they retire, but you know, they don't have to be in peak physical
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  condition anymore. So if the guys that are the top of their you know,
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  game, are getting tired, what are these guys going to do?
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  You know what I mean? So it could be fun, but I feel
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  like it could veer more towards the pathetic more often than not. That's what
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  I was. And it sucks because you know, you don't want to remember.
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  You want to remember Jim Tomy is basically being Paul Bunyan in a baseball
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  uniform, and you want to remember Griffy and that and that, you know,
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  prettiest left handed swing of all time. I mean, that's how you
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  want to remember, you know, these guys, and would that tarnish it?
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  Is my question? And that's my question. Too, and I think
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  it kind of would. So it leads me to the conclusion for me as
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  a baseball fan, you know what, I don't want to see it because
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  I don't want that tarnishment on my break. Could be fun, but I
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  mean, I think these guys have to, like, if they're gonna do
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  it, I would think that they're gonna have to, like, you know,
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  take it seriously. I mean, it is a fun event, and
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  I'm sure they're going to be, you know, talking trash to each other
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  and that's all you know, the fun of ragging on each other and all
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  that stuff. But like you know, if you come out there and lay
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  an egg, everybody's going to instantly be like, uh, this is bad.
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  Yeah, I think so, I would think they want to avoid that.
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  That's last thing you want to do is take a chance with something like
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  that, especially when you're trying to build Major League Baseball's brand, not kill
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  it. Yeah. All right, well let's get let's talk about Phillies really
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  quick here Lynn too, because as they're coming out of this All Star Break
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  a little hot. Yes, they did lose to the Brewers tonight. I
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  was not watching that. I wasn't watching the game. My daughters wanted to
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  watch a movie. We had to watch The Kissing Booth. I don't know
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  what that is. You don't want to I don't. I was like,
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  oh my god. It's like it's like, yeah, boy, I'm gonna
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  be watching these movies for the rest of my life, Lisa, until they're
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  eighteen and out of the house. Yes, yes, So I did not
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  have a chance to watch Phillies Brewers tonight. Phillies did lose to the Brewers,
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  but initially coming out of this break, this All Star break kind of
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  hot. I mean, they really took it to the Padres, and they
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  seem to just give the Padres a difficult time over the course of this past
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  year. It's like, oh my gosh, just given the Padres a rough
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  time. So I wanted to just kind of talk about our thoughts from what
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  we really want to see from this team in July, in August, and
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  September. And for me, Len the one thing I really want to see
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  with this team, and a particular player on this team is Trey Turner,
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  the eleven year, three hundred million dollars guy doing more than certainly what he
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  has been doing. You know, I don't think the Phillies imagined when they
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  signed him that it would be like this coming at you know, first eighty
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  eight games of the season. His slash lines are two forty seven, two
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  ninety nine, and three eighty nine. He's on pace to set a new
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  career high in strikeouts and is running an outside the zone swing percentage of forty
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  percent, which is over his career average of thirty one percent. It's crazy.
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  He's trying to do too much and it's getting in his head very much
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  like Nick Castianos. I think what happened to him. I was going to
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  say that is exactly yeah, and hopefully, you know, maybe next year.
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  I mean I don't want to already think ahead to next year with these
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  guys, but you know, maybe maybe that's what happens this year for him,
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  and next year he just settles the hell down like Cassianos did, and
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  you know, comes back to the trade turner that we all thought we were
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  getting. But yeah, now, I as you were saying it, I
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  mean that that's the exact parallel that was in my head too, Yeah,
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  because if he turns things around here and it seems like he is too Lynn
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  because in thirty four games since the start of June, he's been slashing two
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  sixty six, three twenty nine, and four twenty seven, So we are
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  seeing him kind of turn the corner perhaps a little bit. But if we
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  start to see the trade turner of old, if we start to see the
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  trade turner that the Phillies thought and the fans thought we were going to get
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  at the beginning of this season, then I think this team is in a
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  very good position, not just you know, not just in terms of making
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  the postseason, but possibly getting getting through, you know, maybe a couple
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  of rounds of the postseason. And I think a lot of it is going
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  to be contingent on Trede Turner. That's my thoughts here during the second half
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  of the season, Land, I think he really needs to step things up
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  for this team to have the ability to really get through the postseason. Yeah,
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  he does, but you know, you're you're starting to see signs that,
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  you know, maybe this team is starting to come around a little bit.
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  I mean, I was listening something the other day and they were saying
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  basically what the Phillies had done over the past couple of weeks, I mean,
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  is a one hundred and sixteen win pace, you know, given you
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  know, what they've done over the past few weeks. So I mean,
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  clearly things are starting to click, you know, tonight's result notwithstanding, but
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  there are a lot of games where they get behind and they they are never
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  out of it. They scratch and they call and they come back, and
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  that's kind of I mean, it's it's you know, you don't want to
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  fall behind, but it is an endearing thing of a team. And you
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  know, the four star pitchers, Nola, Wheeler, Walker Squarez didn't get
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  off to the best starts this year. There they are now rounding into form
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  well, so you know, hopefully they can continue what they're doing hopefully you
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  know, um, you know, if you have Turner get into the groove
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  a little bit here, um, you know, Bryce finds his power stroke
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  a little bit more there, um, because I mean, the the slash
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  numbers are good, but you know, the power numbers, you know,
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  clearly aren't what we thought they would be yet. Um. I know he's
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  you know, he's obviously coming off Tommy John So that's a that's a thing
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  too. But you know, things are trending up for for for this team,
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  I think because it's a lot of guys that Okay, maybe they didn't
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  have the best start, but if those guys are starting to find their gear,
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  then this team is gonna, i think, take off a little bit.
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  I'm not saying I'm not saying they're gonna They're not gonna catch the Braves.
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  I mean, you can pretty much pencil the Braves in as the nlo's
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  champion at this point. But there's no reason they can't go on a run
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  and maybe be, you know, the first wild card team. As it
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  is right now, they're the third and last wild car team the season were
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  to end today, Yeah, but there's no reason they can't be firmly in
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  a comfortable playoff position by the time this season ends. Absolutely, And I
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  think it's also important for us to note too that the film, it's my
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  understanding that the Phillies have recommended Tommy John surgery for Andrew Painter. And we've
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  been kind of talking about this on the show, even on the table talk
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  shows recently, Lend and those interviews that I've been doing in terms of talking
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  about him, we just we're just not going to see him this season,
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  you know, and who knows if and when we're going to see him next
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  season as well. The Andrew Painter experiment is not going to be happening anytime
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  soon. He needs to get healthy and that that's just a reality that we
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  all have to live with here. Yeah, and look, you know they
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  you always want to try and and you know, exhaust all options before you
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  go under the knife. With Tommy John, I know some people were complaining,
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  Oh I knew this a couple of months ago, blah blah blah.
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  You know, they wanted to see if you know, he could just rest
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  and have his arm you know, be okay, And that didn't happen,
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  so okay, So you know, you you you found out exhausted your options.
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  Now you go into the knife. In terms of next year, I
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  mean you might see him, you know, on some practice fields towards the
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  end of next year, but you're looking at spring training of of twenty five
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  with Andrew Painter at this point, Um, he's not going to help this
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  team and obviously not this year, and he's going to be working back,
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  you know, through some stuff, uh and towards the end of twenty twenty
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  four, so you know, maybe he pitches some minor league games, I
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  don't know, but he's gonna be probably down in Florida rehabbing most if not
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  all, of twenty twenty four. So that's just what it is. And
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  you know, you're you're like, oh my god, you know this guy,
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  he's you know, he went he's never going to pitch. He's twenty
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  so exactly, Okay, at beginning of a twenty being of the twenty five
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  season, he's twenty two years old. That's still pretty damn young. So
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  let him. You know, we kind of all knew this was heading here.
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  Okay, you have to play the games, you have to you have
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  to exhaust the options. We've done that. Here we are. Now we
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  can get this fixed and you know, get him to where he needs to
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  be, and then there we go for twenty five. Um. Well,
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  I mean I'm kind of in a way, I'm kind of glad it's happening
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  because now it forces them to, like, you know, well, I
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  talked about this in the beginning of the year. Oh my god, they're
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  going to depend on this kid to be the fifth starter. That's definitively out
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  the door for um, for this year and for next year, as it
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  probably should be, because I don't think you know, mick Abel is going
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  to be you know, I like him, But I don't think he's going
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  to be, you know, an option at the beginning of next season eithers
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  because there's still some seasoning that has to happen. So you need veteran guys
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  for this rotation for now. Hopefully by next year, by the middle of
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  next year, Abel and McGarry are able to maybe fill in a little bit.
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  But if you're on them at the beginning of next year, I think
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  you're hoping for something that's not going to happen. Yeah, And I think
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  when it comes to these type injuries to Lend, there's something to be said
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  for how guys get through it, not just from the physical aspect, but
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  from the mental aspect of it as well. How he Andrew Painter may mature
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  from a mental standpoint getting through this injury. You know, of course he's
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  going to be going through rehab, but how does it affect his baseball game
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  from a mental standpoint. Yes, he's not going to be on the field,
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  he's not going to be pitching, he's not going to be having a
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  glove on, you know, just doing what he has done for most of
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  his life. How is he able to handle that? I think in these
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  situations and in these player predicaments. When it comes to health, We've seen
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  over the years that there are certain players who can handle the adversity of an
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  injury very well, hence Bryce Harper. Others cannot handle it as well.
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  Their game falls off from a mental standpoint. It takes its toll on them.
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  And that's what we're going to see from Andrew Painter in the future,
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  and I think they're I think that needs to be talked about more in terms
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  of the Dry Painter discourse and and just injuries in general. I don't think
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  we talk about the mental aspect of injuries as much as we should in professional
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  sports. And that's an area where I think, you know, if you're
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  the Phillies, you have I mean Harper to an extent, but maybe more
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  so some of your pitchers. I don't know the history of of all the
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  Phillies pitchers, who's had Tommy John and who hasn't, But if they have,
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  you know, you have those guys check in on him and just you
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  know, see where his head's at and just say, maybe relate some stories
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  from when they were rehabbing and stuff like that, just just you know,
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  don't make this guy feels like he's you know, off to the side on
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  an island by himself, you know, just wandering off into the wilderness.
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  You know, check in on him and make sure you know he's preparing the
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  way he should and doing things he should and in a good space mentally.
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  I mean, that's that's the best thing you can do for for a young
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  player like that or any any player like that. Really, it's going through
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  rehabs. You gotta check in on him, absolutely, absolutely, all right,
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  Well, Len, before we get to our first break, we wanted
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  to talk some Philadelphia Union as we're moving along here in the show. The
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  Philadelphia Union and their head coach, Jim Curtin came to an agreement on a
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  multi year contract extension that's guaranteed through two thousand twenty six. And as as
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  many of us know, Jim Curtin is the second highest, second longest,
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  I should say, ten yard coach in Major League Soccer. He's a two
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  time winner of the CG I think a CG. Schmidt Coach of the Year
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  Award. I hope I said that right, because you know what I'm looking
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  at the agenda. Okay, you know how I screw up names all the
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  time in terms of pronunciation, lend. I screwed up Jim Curtin's name on
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  our freaking outline. I spelt it like the curtains you'll put up in your
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  freaking living room. Jesus, what the freaking heck, I stink. I
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  can't even get it right on the outline. If nobody, if you didn't
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  say anything, nobody would know it. That's true, that's true. Why
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  did I just give it up? I don't know. I don't know what.
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  You're good, God, Good God again, he's got He's got so
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  many wins one hundred and twenty seven wins during his ten year coaching career with
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  the Philadelphia Union. It was interesting, len I had my first table talk
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  interview show this past week about the Philadelphia Union, and it was great.
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  Had a great guest, Josh Schuster from Philadelphia soccernow dot com. He came
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  on, we talked about this team, and we got into Jim Curtin's contract
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  a little bit. And I think it's interesting how there was a lot of
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  public perception out there that he just might not be the guy. But I
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  think over the years, you know, we've seen how he's been able to
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  develop certain players, you know, even whether you look at Kranz and what
• 20:52
  he's been doing throughout the course of this season. Other players, Martinez,
• 20:56
  Jose Martinez, my gosh, you know, he would an incredible talent.
• 21:00
  He has been for this team as well. UM Jim Curtin is a developmental
• 21:04
  type of coach and there's a reason why he's been around for so long.
• 21:08
  And I think this is a great extension for this team. And he got
• 21:14
  him to the finals last year. You know, who knows if he can
• 21:17
  do it again in the future, but he's developing young talent and it's really
• 21:21
  good to see. Man. Yeah, I am, I'm I'm very happy
• 21:26
  they made this move. This guy, like he said, a two time
• 21:30
  coach of the Year in MLS two out of the past three years is when
• 21:33
  he's wonted. So yeah, this is this is probably the best coach in
• 21:37
  Major League Soccer right now. So anytime you have the best of anything,
• 21:41
  yeah, I mean you want to you want to keep that UM. I
• 21:44
  don't know where they're at with UM Sporting director Ernest Tanner's UM contract extension,
• 21:49
  if they are working on that now or whatever, but to me, having
• 21:53
  that kind of leadership duo locked up for the foreseeable future is to me,
• 22:00
  paramount to the you know, to keeping this club together and keeping it up
• 22:04
  towards the top of the of MLS where we want them to be. UM.
• 22:08
  Just from a structural standpoint, yeah, I mean, the Union just
• 22:12
  seem so well run. And that wasn't always the case, you know,
• 22:15
  they were you know, earlier in the in the club's history, they were
• 22:19
  looked at as cheap and you know, just kind of directionless. This is
• 22:25
  obviously not you know, a ton of history to go off of here,
• 22:30
  but in terms of you know, having the right people running your team,
• 22:33
  this is the golden era of this of this organization, having Panner and Kurtin
• 22:37
  in there. So I mean, to me, until they fall off,
• 22:41
  you know, noticeably, I want both those guys here. So I'm happy
• 22:45
  about Curtin. UM. You know, they've been and even like you said,
• 22:49
  developmentally, he's been able to bring guys along there. Their um,
• 22:53
  their academy is pretty much the envy of Major League Soccer. They're considered one
• 23:00
  the best, you know, academies for young players to come up through in
• 23:03
  all of MLS. UM they've graduated people to Europe, you know, which
• 23:07
  you know is the ultimate goal for basically any club and any any player is
• 23:12
  to get those guys going up through Europe to Europe and getting more money,
• 23:15
  you know, transfer money back into your organization to build it up. So,
• 23:19
  uh, the fact that they're doing that, those are the guys you
• 23:22
  want to keep um so, I mean for as long as they can,
• 23:26
  because they're not They're not one of those seems like LAFC that you know,
• 23:30
  is spending all this money on all these big names. They're not bringing in
• 23:33
  Lionel MESSI uh, you know, like Miami. So you have to do
• 23:38
  something to make yourself stand out. And that's what that's what Tanner and Curtin
• 23:42
  Um particularly have done here and so it's I can't stress how important is to
• 23:48
  keep those two around. It's good to see where the team is at right
• 23:51
  now. I mean at this point last week when they were sixth in the
• 23:52
  Eastern Conference and now now they're at third. The record is twelve four and
• 23:57
  seven at this point. Good to see moving up the ranks there in the
• 24:00
  East. Yeah, yeah, they're I don't know if they're gonna. I
• 24:04
  don't think they're in any danger of you know, getting that top spot in
• 24:07
  the use at this point. But you know, I mean, there'll be
• 24:11
  a solid team, there'll be a team that people don't want to see in
• 24:15
  the playoffs. And they're you know, they're hot at the right time.
• 24:18
  I mean earlier in the season. I remember we were talking about them earlier
• 24:22
  in the in the season. Everybody's like, Holy hell, what happened to
• 24:25
  this team? They were great last year and now they you know, they
• 24:29
  can't do anything right. And they had a lot of new pieces that they
• 24:30
  were integrating in and trying to, you know, get used to the system.
• 24:36
  And it looks like that has happened, and now the pieces are starting
• 24:37
  to click a little bit. Yeah, yep, it's good. Good for
• 24:41
  the city of Philadelphia. We've got another team here that you know, we're
• 24:45
  gonna be able to root for as they go through their second half of the
• 24:48
  season here. So let us know what you're thinking about the Union, let
• 24:51
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• 24:53
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• 25:29
  We will be back in just a bit with some Flyers talk, some Sixers
• 25:30
  talk, and some Eagles talk. Stick with us, we'll be right back.
• 25:36
  All right, we are back, Len. We of course need to
• 25:38
  get into the Philadelphia Flyers because this front office and organization up here, they
• 25:45
  appear keyword to have a little direction here in terms of what they want to
• 25:48
  do with this hockey club. Noah Kates getting signed to a two year extension.
• 25:56
  We also had Cam You're getting signed to a two year extension. Tony
• 26:00
  DeAngelo is on waivers at this point. You know that that deal with Carolina
• 26:04
  they're trying to get that trade deal done with DeAngelo and Carolina just did not
• 26:10
  work out for whatever reason, And there seems to be some really good direction
• 26:15
  here in terms of where the Flyers front office wants to take this team down
• 26:21
  the road. Because I'll tell you, I loved seeing the Noahkates two year
• 26:25
  extension because of what he meant for the team this year, a team that
• 26:30
  was on the downslide. But there was a lot that was asked of Noah
• 26:33
  Kates at times in terms of whether it was his place in the lineup,
• 26:38
  the minutes that he was expected to take. He took all of that in
• 26:41
  stride and came out to be one of the bright spots in a very difficult
• 26:47
  season, to say the least for the Flyers team in their organization as well.
• 26:52
  He had eight goals twenty five points in eighty two games played, and
• 26:56
  his acumen on the defensive side was a real ass for this team that was
• 27:02
  just really trying to figure out how to play a more sound defensive game overall
• 27:07
  from top to bottom. So I love the Noah Kates signing because at the
• 27:11
  end of the day, we don't know who we're gonna get. You know,
• 27:12
  He's gonna be sticking around a little bit longer. But I think we
• 27:17
  can feel that comfort that we know we have a productive young player that's going
• 27:19
  to be on the ice for this team. Yeah. I mean the there
• 27:25
  was some talk with both him and Cam York, and I think warranted was
• 27:30
  just like, oh man, I mean, two years is great and all,
• 27:33
  but I mean I wouldn't mind seeing them locked up for a little bit
• 27:36
  longer than that, just you know, because they're guys that are clearly part
• 27:41
  of the future here, Kates is. I mean, look, this whole
• 27:44
  offseason has been dictated by getting rid of guys that Tortorell doesn't want and keeping
• 27:49
  guys at Tortorella does want clearly No Kates, you know, I don't I
• 27:53
  don't want to label him as like it just like a try hard but I
• 27:56
  mean he does all the things coaches love so and any That's not to say
• 28:02
  he's not a talented player. He does have some talent. I don't think
• 28:06
  he's, you know, anything more than a really good fourth liner, and
• 28:08
  I think he could be a really good fourth line or on a contending team.
• 28:12
  Yeah, I do think he can be that. I want to make
• 28:15
  sure we don't get in the trap of like, oh, yeah, he's
• 28:18
  a second line center or something like that, or or winger or whatever.
• 28:22
  I don't want to overvalue him, but he's absolutely a piece that can help
• 28:26
  you win. So I'm glad he's here again. They could have signed him
• 28:32
  for longer, you know, as far as I'm concerned, because if he
• 28:34
  keeps doing what he's doing, then the Flyers have to pay out a little
• 28:38
  bit more in two years, and you know, what's the cap situation going
• 28:42
  to be like then? I assume it's going to go up, but you
• 28:45
  know where is the team at at that point. So yeah, I mean
• 28:49
  I'm good with it. I'm good with him, I'm good with York.
• 28:53
  We'll see what they do with Morgan Frost now. But yeah, I think
• 28:56
  they could have signed these guys for even longer. I think it's interesting too
• 29:00
  that you mentioned that, because I thought about that. I think Danny Brier
• 29:03
  maybe taking a cautious type of an approach to these these future contracts. And
• 29:11
  part of me, I completely get where you're coming from, but part of
• 29:15
  me is, like, you know what, I think Danny Brier might be
• 29:18
  responsible in terms of this particular contract, Like he doesn't want to do a
• 29:22
  Travis Sandheim thing, which which what Fletcher did, you know, which which
• 29:26
  is a it's not a great contract. It's just not a great punt it
• 29:30
  is. It's not it's terrible, you know. So I think he's exercising
• 29:33
  some caution, and I do like to see that, because it's like,
• 29:36
  okay, kid, you were here for a year, you played really well
• 29:41
  and beyond expectation, and you obviously have talent, and let's see in another
• 29:45
  couple of years where he's at. I think that cautious approach. I'm kind
• 29:48
  of liking it with regard to this rebuild here. Yeah, and I get
• 29:53
  that. I mean, Kate's is twenty four, York is twenty two.
• 29:56
  I mean, I'm you know, it's not like you're giving out an eight
• 30:00
  year deal to a guy that's like twenty six or whatever. Um, you
• 30:03
  know. So so there's you know, there's that you know where like at
• 30:07
  the back end, he's in his thirties. And I'm not saying signing these
• 30:11
  guys for you know, eight years, but I mean, like, I
• 30:14
  don't know, four years, you know, I think that, you know,
• 30:17
  there's no reason they couldn't have done that, and you have guys that
• 30:19
  are still in their mid you know, mid twenties by the time it's over.
• 30:23
  So yeah, I mean, I'm again, I mean, I'm cool
• 30:26
  with it. We'll see where they're at. Tony de'angelo on unconditional waivers for
• 30:32
  the purpose of a buy out during the final year of his contract. Man,
• 30:37
  what a what A what A what A not good deal? It was
• 30:40
  just to bring him here after being acquired from the Hurricanes initially when he's signed
• 30:45
  that two year, ten million dollar contract. It's just, Man, Chuck
• 30:49
  Fletcher really was terrible. You know. Like I lend toward the end of
• 30:53
  his tenure, I was thinking to myself, you know, and I was
• 30:56
  making It's like, I was making excuses for Chuck Fletcher, thinking, all
• 31:00
  right, maybe he just got unlucky with some of the things, you know,
• 31:02
  and maybe I can see where he was coming from. Man, Chuck
• 31:04
  Fletcher just totally sucked. And we know that, and I know him saying
• 31:08
  it now hindsight being twenty twenty, of course, everybody knew he sucked.
• 31:11
  But man, this was one of those moves where you look back and you're
• 31:15
  just like, what the hell was this guy thinking here? You know,
• 31:18
  And it's I mean, it was, it was. It was a move
• 31:21
  that like when when it was made, everybody was like, oh god,
• 31:26
  they gave up and how much for this guy? Yeah, because he was
• 31:30
  a guy that was in a literally perfect situation in Carolina before he came here.
• 31:34
  I mean he was he was protected by a really good defense and that
• 31:38
  freed him up to do the things that he is good at. And and
• 31:41
  you know, he is a good offensive defenseman, but he was a defensively
• 31:47
  responsible partner. He couldn't have been in a better situation to look good than
• 31:52
  he was in Carolina. Um and Chuck Fletcher didn't realize that and bought fool's
• 31:57
  gold. And then you've got to I now, who you know couldn't play
• 32:00
  on this team for Tortorella and a guy that is now I think the only
• 32:06
  player in NHL history to be bought out twice. Yeah, I mean,
• 32:13
  it's quite a thing, it really. I have to laugh because of course
• 32:17
  it's associated with the Flyers here, you know what I mean, of course
• 32:21
  it is, Oh my god, alright, so yeah, that is that's
• 32:27
  what you got there. So I don't know, I don't know where his
• 32:29
  career goes from here. I really don't it should It should go down a
• 32:34
  white porcelain thing that we all use on a daily basis. I think that's
• 32:37
  where Yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean, if you
• 32:43
  can't stick with one of the worst teams in hockey, then I don't know.
• 32:49
  Yeah, exactly exactly. All right, Lennon, why don't we get
• 32:52
  into some Philadelphia seventy six Ers talk here real quick before I let you go
• 32:55
  and before we get to what we were thrown down on the table, Because
• 33:00
  the Philadelphia seventy Sixers during this offseason have just been absolutely from a public relations
• 33:07
  standpoint, from a what are they doing? What do they want to do?
• 33:12
  Where do they want to go? Type of questions being asked by the
• 33:15
  fan base, by podcast by you know, sports talk radio, and it's
• 33:19
  just it's not the greatest offseason look. And I thought it was unbelievable this
• 33:23
  past week when the Sixers signed Philip Petrosev and I think you say his name
• 33:30
  Azulas tubelis two bigs so and it was hilarious. I think it was on
• 33:35
  Liberty Ballers. You know, we're friends with a lot of folks over there
• 33:38
  at Liberty Ballers, and they jump on our pot every now and again that
• 33:42
  I read a headline like the Sixers have enough bigs to run an all center
• 33:45
  lineup at this point with these two guys here, I look, I don't
• 33:51
  know what to think of these two signings. Probably not much is going to
• 33:53
  happen with them, but thank god, you know, b ball, Paul
• 33:59
  is going to be coming back, and it seems like the fan base put
• 34:01
  a lot of pressure on the front office and Darryl Moore to get that done.
• 34:05
  I thought he was heading out to Utah, but no way, He's
• 34:07
  coming back. A lot of bigs on this team here Land a lot of
• 34:10
  bigs. Well, I mean, I like Paul Reid heck of a lot
• 34:15
  more than I like these two guys. I like him a heck of a
• 34:16
  lot more than I like Montrez Harrold at this point in his career. I
• 34:20
  mean, patruseven to Bellis. I don't know if they're ticketed for Delaware.
• 34:25
  I mean, that's the only thing I can think of, is you're just
• 34:29
  you know, you're you're using them in the G League as depth. I
• 34:31
  don't know. Petrie had a nice summer league. He had a nice summer
• 34:35
  league, But then again, it's the summer league. You know, yeah,
• 34:37
  good for him, Yes, I mean, I just I can't see
• 34:43
  a place on the six Ers thread to these two guys unless they have horrendous
• 34:47
  injury luck in the preseason. I just I don't know where they fit.
• 34:52
  I I I don't understand it. But to me, it's depth. It's
• 34:58
  you know, Okay, here's some guys are a stash in Delaware and if
• 35:00
  we need him there there, I mean, that's all the only thing I
• 35:04
  can think of is James Harden becoming a villain at this point with the Sixers
• 35:08
  fan base. Do you think. I don't know. I just they're gonna
• 35:13
  be right. It looks like they're gonna be running this thing back or who
• 35:15
  knows. He could be traded in October, you know, but like I
• 35:20
  think, again, he has the leverage. Teams know that the Sixers are
• 35:24
  in a rough spot right here, and whether if it's going to be the
• 35:28
  Clippers who inevitably acquires James Harden, They're in no rush. They are in
• 35:32
  no rush at this point. They don't need to be in any rush based
• 35:36
  on their cap space, what they have. It's it's it's making the Sixers
• 35:40
  front office brass not looking all that great here. No, this is the
• 35:49
  it feels like the being in the beginnings of a disaster. I just I
• 35:52
  wish I could get excited for the Sixers this year, and I'm just not
• 35:57
  yeah, same at all. Yeah. Um you know, I was reading
• 36:01
  something the other day where like, you know, guy talked about how he
• 36:06
  deals with, you know, people that are like like CEOs and may you
• 36:08
  know a ton of money and just talked about how divorced they are from reality
• 36:14
  and and and the the real world situations that just regular people operate like they
• 36:19
  just no concept, no concept of how to do anything for themselves, just
• 36:22
  and just divorced from the rest of the world. And I feel like that
• 36:28
  is James Harden in terms of like, man, can't you see what the
• 36:34
  perception of you is around the league? Yeah, Like I mean I would.
• 36:37
  And look, yes he did. I get that he you know,
• 36:40
  signed for last last year and you know, you know, to make the
• 36:45
  team better, and he thought that maybe the Sixers would take care of him
• 36:47
  on the back end, you know of that. Um, I get why
• 36:52
  he opted in because it was the only way he was going to get that
• 36:54
  thirty five point six million Another team wasn't going to give it to him.
• 36:58
  But it just like you got to realize what your track record is in terms
• 37:02
  of the playoffs. You know, you've now you know, asked out of
• 37:06
  you're asking out of your third team in a couple of years. Like people
• 37:09
  you've you've never proven you can lead in the playoffs. You always evaporate in
• 37:15
  the playoffs. It's just like, what, what do you really And you're
• 37:17
  getting older every single year, You're getting older. Yeah, what do you
• 37:21
  think your value is? Right? How how do you not see the full
• 37:25
  picture that people you know aren't you know, willing to you know, look
• 37:30
  at you like you're twenty six or twenty seven year old James Harden. You're
• 37:34
  not. That's just a fact of life. And I don't think he understands
• 37:37
  that. I really don't. Yeah, And I wonder if Himbeid is also
• 37:42
  seeing that with him in any hopes that Joel Embiid had of what James Harden
• 37:47
  could bring to the team. I mean, we saw it down the stretch
• 37:51
  in terms of the postseason this year. We saw it last year as well
• 37:54
  in the postseason twenty twenty two. You know, Embiad says he wants to
• 37:59
  win a championship now in Philly or quote anywhere else. This past week he
• 38:04
  went to Twitter said he was trolling, blah blah blah, whatever, Lenn,
• 38:07
  it is safe to say at the moment that this team is largely in
• 38:12
  disarray and it's sad. Like you said, I'm not too excited for this
• 38:16
  coming season because I got a feeling they're gonna be running a lot of this
• 38:20
  back and we have seen where this team has gone and it's not getting out
• 38:27
  of the second round of the postseason, and it's the same crap year after
• 38:32
  year. Aside from the fact that you're gonna have one Joe l Embiid,
• 38:36
  who is the reigning MVP champion at the end of the day, I hate
• 38:40
  to say it, but who cares? Who cares? Because as a even
• 38:44
  for him, probably at this point of course, he probably loves it.
• 38:46
  He probably loves type of money that he's able to get from it. But
• 38:51
  at the end of the day, like he said, he wants to win
• 38:52
  a championship now. He wants to win in Philly or quote anywhere else too,
• 38:57
  So maybe this is set in the stage for him to be out of
• 38:59
  here by next year. Yeah, I mean one one last thing with Harden.
• 39:04
  I mean, he should open his eyes and be like, Okay,
• 39:08
  I need to come in just you know, Yes, this team I played
• 39:15
  for less money last year than I could have gotten. Um, they're not
• 39:19
  reciprocating, They're not looking to help me out, and I have a legitimate
• 39:23
  ripe. That's fine. I ought to go into the season just do what
• 39:28
  I need to do, kick as much as as possible and make myself more
• 39:32
  desirable there. That that should should be his thought going into this year.
• 39:38
  As far as embiide, I mean, yeah, you said, you know,
• 39:42
  okay, he won the MVP last year and then the postseason happened and
• 39:45
  completely disregarded that MVP. I mean, honestly, if that was me,
• 39:51
  I would be taking that MVP trophy and putting it in the back of a
• 39:53
  closet because it was rendered meaningless by this, honestly by the by the past
• 40:00
  postseason. Yeah, um, Yokis did what he had to do and showed
• 40:04
  that, you know, maybe he should have still been an MVP. I
• 40:07
  mean, and I get em beat had a great regular season, but what
• 40:10
  happened in the postseason happened. Um so the fact that he's on Twitter and
• 40:15
  he's like trolling people Like I would just be like, Okay, I need
• 40:20
  to I need to get my reputation back because it went up in smoke in
• 40:24
  the last couple of games of that Boston series. So I need to Like
• 40:30
  the fact that he's on Twitter and he's trolling and doing stuff like this.
• 40:34
  It it's not the best look for me because it's just like, Okay,
• 40:37
  we're still goofing around here. Yeah. Um, So I don't know,
• 40:42
  um that that part of it. And I'm not saying get rid of Mbat's
• 40:45
  He's still, you know, a top seven or eight player in the league.
• 40:51
  To me, I don't think there's any reasonable way you can argue against
• 40:55
  that. I don't care how much you hate him. Um, there's there's
• 40:59
  no way. He said. He absolutely is, you know, the the
• 41:02
  anchor for a contending team. He can be, but you know, he's
• 41:07
  just gotta take care of your business first. Then you can talk all you
• 41:12
  want. Yeah. Um, then you can be on Twitter all you want,
• 41:15
  but you gotta you know, you say you want to win, stop
• 41:20
  with all this other stuff, and you know, do what you gotta do.
• 41:23
  I mean, I know the sixers, you know, front officers have
• 41:27
  not put him in the best position. They have not properly built a team
• 41:30
  around him. You know, I always talk about how there could be a
• 41:34
  thirty for thirty for this organization for the past twenty years. You could do
• 41:37
  a separate thirty for thirty on all the failures and all the missed decisions.
• 41:42
  I mean it just you know, you could write a book on all the
• 41:45
  miss decisions that all the mistakes that this organization has made. So a lot
• 41:50
  of that is on the organization. But man, I would I'd be like,
• 41:53
  my rep took a huge hit in the playoffs and I need to restore
• 41:58
  my name, and I don't. I don't get the sense of that.
• 42:00
  If he's goofing ram on Twitter. It's a great way to end this segment,
• 42:04
  buddy, fantastic way to end this segment. I am gonna let you
• 42:07
  go because we got to get into some Eagles talk. Oh man, we
• 42:09
  got we got Eagles postgame podcasts right around the corner. You're looking forward to
• 42:14
  that, Okay, I Hey, look, do you have a Do you
• 42:22
  have a podcast studio in your new house, a dedicated podcast studio? I
• 42:27
  don't. Oh, okay, yeah, I don't. I'm trying to think
• 42:32
  of. We're I'll do it. I mean it'll probably depend on, you
• 42:36
  know, if she's in bed or whatever. I just don't want to be
• 42:38
  too loud, okay, all right, but yeah I could. I could
• 42:44
  probably be as loud as I want it right now because I'm downstairs and we've
• 42:46
  got a window unit. It's as loud as hell, right right, Um,
• 42:49
  so she can't probably can't hear shit right now. You may have,
• 42:52
  you may have to go to your car. I'll just count. Wouldn't be
• 42:57
  the first time I've I've done shows from trucks before. So yes, yes,
• 43:02
  you remember those fun days. Those days were fantastic. Man, we
• 43:06
  have been through the ringer on this show. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely
• 43:10
  all right, buddy, I'll let you go. Folks, follow Len on
• 43:13
  Twitter at Len Hunsicker. Follow the show at Philadelphia PSD. If you're new
• 43:16
  to the podcast, And uh, are you Leon? Are you doing anything
• 43:20
  on the threads yet? Are you on threads? I don't even know what
• 43:23
  that is? Is that? Yes, it's it's okay. It's Zuckerberg's new
• 43:30
  thing to compete with Twitter and like and like Blue Sky and mastadon or whatever
• 43:36
  which is you just it's the easy. It was the easiest thing in the
• 43:38
  world to like set up. It's basically off your Instagram and you just basically
• 43:43
  are following people from your Instagram and folks follow you from Instagram. But it's
• 43:46
  more like a Twitter based type of sert like social media service, but it's
• 43:51
  like instagramish. It's it's interesting. Actually, it's been interesting being on it.
• 43:55
  Yeah, I mean, like I wanna I I would like to get
• 44:00
  off Twitter because I just know the whole elon thing. But I still find
• 44:06
  it useful in terms of you know, getting news on there, uh at
• 44:09
  sports news, you know. Um, I mean I don't I don't like
• 44:14
  to go I'd still go on it every day, but I actually find myself
• 44:17
  getting more and more depressed every time I go on Twitter. I honestly do.
• 44:22
  Like I'm like between all the political discourse and just just seeing that you
• 44:30
  know, everybody has has a thought and you don't really need to not everybody
• 44:34
  should have their thoughts known by by everybody, right, Let's just be kind
• 44:38
  and put it that way. Um. So yeah, it's just anytime I
• 44:43
  like, anytime I go on there, I'm on it for like five minutes.
• 44:45
  I'm like, I feel worse. Why why do I do this every
• 44:49
  day? So, like, I don't know, are these other platforms,
• 44:52
  whether it's blue Sky or Macedon or scripts, is it like is it better
• 44:58
  in that regard? I like what you threads. Threads has been like less
• 45:02
  political scripts. Yeah, scripts, scripts, It's like you're going to the
• 45:07
  doctors. Script, give me a script. I want to take script after
• 45:13
  I'm on Twitter. So that sometimes it's like it's it's it's not as political.
• 45:20
  And that's what I believe it or not. Zuckerberg and the folks at
• 45:23
  at Meta are trying to make it quote not as political and not with a
• 45:29
  lot of the social whether it's social justice type stuff, and with the political
• 45:35
  nonsense, you know. And I love how I say political nonsense. I'm
• 45:37
  a candidate for public office this year, right yeah, so um, it's
• 45:43
  not. And by the way, I post a stuff constant a lot,
• 45:45
  you know, the political stuff. So I love how I just said that.
• 45:47
  But it's they're trying to make make it less. I guess the algorithm
• 45:52
  to get less of that stuff to you. So it's actually a community of
• 45:54
  people talking. I don't know how long that's gonna last. I don't know.
• 45:59
  I can't see it lasting for very long. Yeah, I can't imagine
• 46:02
  it will I don't know. I also have I mean, I'm not the
• 46:06
  biggest Zuckerberg fan either. I just die when I just see his face.
• 46:12
  I just imagine someday they're gonna unscrew the face plate, the face plate,
• 46:16
  and there's gonna be a robot like he just he has dead eyes like he
• 46:22
  he creeps me out. He's a creepy looking human because of the haircut too.
• 46:27
  I think the haircut doesn't help him. Yeah, yeah, and now
• 46:32
  he's like doing MMA stuff and I don't know. It's just like, isn't
• 46:37
  being obscenely rich enough? When is it enough? You have to do everything?
• 46:44
  You're ruined the world with social media? Yeah, now you have no
• 46:49
  idea what to do. But yeah, I anytime I see him talk,
• 46:52
  I just I'm waiting for like sparks to start flying out of the back of
• 46:57
  his neck and like the the operating system to shut down him to slump over.
• 47:01
  He just seems like an android, Like when you when they turned off
• 47:06
  C three PO and Star Wars, He's just like, yeah, less,
• 47:09
  yes, I love it all right, buddy, I'll let you go.
• 47:13
  Folks, We are going to get into some Eagles talk when we get back.
• 47:16
  That's what we're throwing down on the table. Let's get to that break
• 47:20
  now, and then let's get to some Eagles talk as the season's right around
• 47:22
  the corner. Let's get to it. All right. We are back from
• 47:27
  the break, and we got a great guest coming on to talk about the
• 47:30
  Philadelphia Eagles. We're just a couple of weeks away from the start of training
• 47:34
  camp. That's what we're thrown down on the table and now on the tagle
• 47:40
  joining us to get into this Philadelphia Eagles team this off season and what we
• 47:45
  can expect during this coming twenty twenty three season. We have from the Bell
• 47:51
  and the Birdman podcast. I listen on Apple Podcasts. They are on Spotify
• 47:53
  other podcasting platforms as well, and they're also doing some other good stuff teaching
• 47:59
  podcast to some individuals out there, which we're gonna get to in a bit.
• 48:01
  We've got the one and only Vince Quinn. How are you doing,
• 48:04
  buddy? Oh hey, it's me. How did I get here? You
• 48:07
  can there are any other better guests around? You? Got stuck with me?
• 48:09
  I'm sorry? Oh no, buddy, And I love listening to you
• 48:14
  and our friend John Barchert on the Bell and the Birdman podcast. You guys
• 48:16
  do a great job, and I know that you are liking and enjoying teaching
• 48:22
  others about the world of podcasting too. You do SPX productions as well,
• 48:27
  and I love it because I think, yes, everybody quote has a podcast
• 48:31
  now. But there's an art form to this stuff, believe it or not,
• 48:35
  folks, there actually is, and you and John are doing a good
• 48:38
  job with that. Man. Well yeah, thanks, man. I mean,
• 48:40
  look, it's it is tough. And whence people get into his show,
• 48:44
  they're like, oh my god, I'm gonna do all this editing and
• 48:45
  I gotta figure out all the recording times and I gotta post it, I
• 48:47
  gotta come up with clips, and I got a tweet or whatever it is,
• 48:50
  and it's just like, oh my god, what am I doing?
• 48:52
  And like for so many business owners and just general content creators, it's overwhelming.
• 48:55
  Man. So like, our whole thing is all right, how can
• 48:58
  you streamline that, get a clear message out and just get the proper help
• 49:00
  that you need. People have such a hard time getting the proper help.
• 49:04
  And we know that because we've been through it. Ourselves so many times.
• 49:07
  So it's nice to, you know, be able to help people out.
• 49:09
  Vince. I'm gonna say this because I've said I've actually said it once on
• 49:13
  this podcast. I've tweeted it out a couple of times. Folks, if
• 49:15
  you're doing a podcast, can you please use a little bit of compression and
• 49:19
  a limitter? For God's sake, can you please use these two plugins and
• 49:23
  effects. I would absolutely love it for certain podcasts that I listen to.
• 49:29
  I love the content, but my gosh, sometimes from an audio perspective,
• 49:31
  it's like, if you just put some compression on this, it might be
• 49:36
  a little easier on the ears. Here. Well yeah, and it's funny
• 49:38
  because you can't still right now. I'm in my home office right so,
• 49:40
  like I need to get a carpet in here. I don't have one in
• 49:44
  here right now. So a lot of people, when you're talking to them
• 49:45
  on the show, Jeff, they s, yes, that's acceptable, right
• 49:54
  exactly. I don't understand it. Yeah, so I like I'm doing it.
• 49:59
  Yeah, So I wish I was better with the quality for today,
• 50:01
  but it is what it is, and you sound great, So yeah,
• 50:06
  just don't do it on air pods. Folks get anything better than AirPods.
• 50:08
  Exactly, exactly. I'm almost coughing here. Anyway, I'm excited about this
• 50:14
  Eagle season, Vince. I'm excited to have you on to talk about what
• 50:17
  we can expect from this team in the future. But I have to say
• 50:20
  right off the bat, I feel like it has been a quiet, quiet
• 50:23
  off season in general for the Philadelphia Eagles. And sure, you know,
• 50:27
  we went through free agency, we went through the draft, but I feel
• 50:30
  like things have just been really quiet in terms of like storylines. And yes,
• 50:34
  thankfully nobody on the team to date has gotten in any trouble or anything
• 50:38
  like that. Off the field. You know, there's always usually some sort
• 50:40
  of storyline involving somebody doing something you know that they shouldn't be doing. Do
• 50:45
  you feel like it's been quiet too, And if so, like, what
• 50:47
  what do you equate that too? Well, yeah, it's definitely quiet.
• 50:52
  Um it's I equated to winning. They're good, you know, Like that's
• 50:55
  that's because right, like there's there's two seasons. You get your off season
• 51:00
  at the regular season, and like the way that everybody handles this is if
• 51:02
  you are good, people love you during the regular season. In the postseason.
• 51:06
  If you suck, people are obsessed with you in the offseason because it's
• 51:08
  like, oh, how do they get better? How do they change this
• 51:10
  move? What is this guy? Is he gonna take a leap? All
• 51:13
  this kind of stuff, Like people are just so confident, right and everything
• 51:16
  across the board. I mean, if anything, and maybe this starts up
• 51:19
  now in the next couple of weeks, but like thinking about this kind of
• 51:22
  stuff that people are gonna really drill into, I think mostly it's the rookies
• 51:25
  and just the young guys in general. It's like all these Georgia kids,
• 51:29
  right, like Nolan Smith, Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter just got sued,
• 51:31
  Jordan Davis was a little bit slower than people would have liked last year.
• 51:35
  They want to see more out of him. So what does he do?
• 51:37
  Nakobe Dean probably your starting linebacker? What does he look like? So like
• 51:40
  there's so many guys like that, is Stean gonna win the starting guard job?
• 51:45
  Like you just you pile all those things up and like that's the stuff.
• 51:49
  But even then, people like if you ask everybody in a vacuum,
• 51:51
  like do you think Nolan Smith's gonna be good? Yes? Carter yes,
• 51:53
  Davis, yes, Dean yes, like so exactly. Yeah, I mean
• 52:00
  some level, it's a relief, like but then you also realized, like,
• 52:01
  oh, I need more hobbies, not enough, because like watching the
• 52:07
  Phillies all right there. You know they're winning games here. It's fun to
• 52:09
  watch them, but you know, we need football. We definitely need it.
• 52:14
  And of course, when you're talking about certain storylines that we're going to
• 52:16
  be following within these next few weeks, like you said, the younger guys,
• 52:20
  and we're certainly going to get into a couple of those guys in just
• 52:22
  a little bit, just to tease it out there for some folks, one
• 52:24
  particular offensive lineman as well. But I wanted to reflect on a recent article
• 52:30
  that was in The Athletic with events Don Pompeii. He wrote a great article
• 52:36
  recently about the long process that made the Eagles front office believe that Jalen Hurts
• 52:40
  was going to be their guy, and how they knew that he was a
• 52:45
  winner, and the process that it took for the Eagles front office to really
• 52:47
  realize that. I mean a detailed how the coaching staff, scouts in the
• 52:51
  front office saw the shift in what in what the quarterback position was actually becoming
• 52:57
  and how it was continuing to volve evolve the NFL even up until these past
• 53:01
  few years. Here not just pocket passing, but a quarterback really being able
• 53:06
  to use their arms and legs and their mind together in an overall picture.
• 53:10
  So long story short, here, should we be looking at Jalen Hurts as
• 53:16
  the next coming in terms of the quarterback position, perhaps like a Peyton Manning
• 53:22
  or a Drew Breese kind of helping to revolutionize the position. What are your
• 53:25
  thoughts here? Yeah, so I've done this on Bell a little bit.
• 53:29
  I'm going to compare to do a guy that I absolutely hate, and I
• 53:30
  mean it in the best way. Yeah he's Tom Brady. Yep, he's
• 53:36
  Tom Brady. I just say that. Yep. Yeah, I don't know
• 53:38
  how else to say it. He's Tom Brady. I mean, the guy
• 53:42
  is pinpoint accurate. He's a relentless work ethic. Everybody loves this guy.
• 53:45
  He makes smart decisions, and he's young, he's inexperienced. Still like thinking
• 53:50
  about how much better he's going to get. I think all that stuff once
• 53:52
  he gets commanded. The offense and his ability to take games over. I
• 53:55
  mean, he doesn't so much anyway, clutch in the fourth quarter, game
• 53:59
  winning, drives, all that kind of stuff. The moment's never too big
• 54:01
  for him. Like he does everything you could absolutely ask for. And so
• 54:07
  yeah, I mean, he's absolutely going to be one of those guys in
• 54:08
  my book. And I was a doubter because at first, like he comes
• 54:12
  in, can't throw in the middle of the field. He's fun, but
• 54:14
  he's good, Like you don't take that kind of progress and look that sharp
• 54:17
  and be that precise and not be a good player. Absolutely absolutely, And
• 54:22
  look I was one of those doubters as well, and he certainly proved to
• 54:24
  us last year. But it just goes to show from a front office perspective,
• 54:29
  how minds can change and how the evolutionary process of how they view a
• 54:35
  player can change. And I think that should be said for the fan base
• 54:37
  too. You know, we all saw that and we all kind of went
• 54:40
  through it together, Carson Wentz getting that huge contract and just you know,
• 54:45
  a few months down the road, they're draft in a quarterback in the second
• 54:49
  round and Jalen hurts and then we know the story. But it's amazing how
• 54:52
  the quarterback position from a front office standpoint has kind of revolutionized itself at least
• 54:58
  in Philadelphia over these past few years. Well, yeah, and Philly's got
• 55:00
  it more than most people, right, I mean they were Donovan McNabb in
• 55:04
  the early two thousands and then Liz Michael Vick. So like they've they've totally
• 55:07
  gotten it, and they've invested in that multiple times. Wentz was mobile,
• 55:09
  you know, like all that stuff. So so they've understood that they've been
• 55:13
  ahead of the trend and that's been part of the value for them. But
• 55:15
  like the silly thing is that, you know, it was a derogatory thing,
• 55:17
  especially for McNabb. People would kill him for it as a running quarterback.
• 55:22
  But like what's the harm? You know, it's just, yeah,
• 55:25
  offenses have caught up. They understand the RPO and how that holds a defense
• 55:29
  and how they can get you better gains in the running game by handing the
• 55:30
  ball off because your quarterback can runs. So like coaches failed those guys for
• 55:36
  years, the league finally caught up to it, which is a huge relief
• 55:38
  and if anything, like it just makes the league better because so many quarterbacks
• 55:43
  have opportunity to be successful, you know what I mean at like that highest
• 55:46
  level, because really it's like, how many elite quarterbacks can you get in
• 55:50
  the league? And right now you look at so many guys that are insanely
• 55:52
  talented. You look at the top ten, I mean, there's there's a
• 55:53
  ton of like really seriously talented guys. And if you're talking about top ten
• 55:59
  quarterbacks, you're not even talking about a guy most likely like Justin Fields,
• 56:01
  who's insanely talented. It was on a god awful team last year exactly.
• 56:06
  So yeah, man, So it's just like you pile all that stuff up
• 56:08
  and I look around, it's like, yeah, I thank god, people
• 56:10
  finally understand this now, and the Eagles have always understood this, and now
• 56:15
  it's paying off again. Absolutely. All right, Well, let's stick to
• 56:16
  the offense here in terms of talent and what we may see this coming seasons,
• 56:22
  specific and specifically with regard to training camp two, because I do wonder
• 56:25
  what's going to happen with that right guard situation. Now that Isaac Samalu,
• 56:30
  who is solid for so many years, he's gonna be playing on the offensive
• 56:34
  line for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't think we can say with certainty events
• 56:38
  that Cam Jurgens is the guy at this point can we, because I mean,
• 56:44
  he hasn't done anything yet in this NFL league. Yes, we know
• 56:47
  there's talent there, of course, from what we saw from him in college.
• 56:52
  But I will say there's like a small part of me that's hesitant to
• 56:55
  put a guy on the most dominant offensive line in football who hasn't seen any
• 57:00
  action. I don't know. It's not that I'm a Cam Jurgens hater here,
• 57:04
  folks, and that's not what it is. It's just could he be
• 57:07
  a weak link in this offensive line that is so dominant. I don't know.
• 57:10
  What are your thoughts here? Do you have kind of have the same
• 57:13
  concerns? Man? You hate Cam Jurgens? Wow? Oh yeah, so
• 57:19
  I love. My thing is I'd rather have Steen win the job outright.
• 57:22
  Yeah. I just think it's cleaner and it makes more sense. Like that.
• 57:25
  That guy he's transitioning from tackle to guard. He's he's pretty raw as
• 57:30
  all of this goes. Anyway, He's only been playing football really for like
• 57:32
  five years, and he did all of it in the SEC, so he's
• 57:35
  got a pretty good foundation. It's basically like a lesser great version of my
• 57:39
  Latta for a couple of reasons. So thinking about a guy like that that's
• 57:44
  with them. I feel like they want him to play guard. That was
• 57:46
  the ideal along. You don't draft a guy like that in the third if
• 57:49
  you don't think he can play early. So I think that all that all
• 57:52
  adds up. And then the idea for Jurgens still is, Hey, he
• 57:54
  could be a backup. He could cross train there. You keep him healthy.
• 57:58
  Kelsey is thirty five, thirty six. You're lucky that he hasn't had
• 58:00
  serious injuries that he can't play through, but you never know, and it's
• 58:05
  just easier to keep him focused on the center position to be a super backup.
• 58:07
  And if it's close enough, you should just go with the guy that
• 58:09
  you want to be the guard long term. Absolutely, all right, Well,
• 58:13
  let's move to the running back position here, Vince, because I wanted
• 58:16
  to really get your thoughts just on how this rushing attack this season is going
• 58:22
  to manifest itself and play out and what we might expect from just all the
• 58:25
  talent that's on this team this season, because last year, look Miles Sanders,
• 58:29
  Kenneth Gainwell, and Boston Scott they combined for one thousand, seven hundred
• 58:32
  and twenty six rushing yards last season and with an almost new running back room
• 58:37
  here. I mean, do you think that DeAndre Swift, Rashad Penny,
• 58:40
  and Kenneth Gainwell are going to surpass that total or might we see something a
• 58:45
  little bit different from the running game this coming season. Yeah, It's it's
• 58:49
  one of those tough things because you are just talking about the running back numbers,
• 58:52
  and part of that question is how much is Jalen Hurt's going to run?
• 58:54
  Yeah, and how does that impact those numbers if he runs a little
• 58:59
  bit less and they start the transition to the passing game more, I'm gonna
• 59:01
  say they don't hit that mark, Okay. And you know part of it
• 59:05
  too is I just think there's the injury problem is real with those guys,
• 59:08
  and I do worry about that. So, like, I honestly I don't
• 59:12
  expect anything from Penny if it turns out that he plays a couple of games
• 59:15
  and he's great, awesome, Like, but I go into zero expectations.
• 59:17
  They basically paid them like they have zero expectations. So it is what it
• 59:22
  is there. But yeah, I mean, the nice thing is they are
• 59:22
  talented guys and there is a lot of them and you can just trust somebody
• 59:27
  else to step in, whether it's Kenny or Scott or whatever it might be,
• 59:30
  and you go and figure it out. I don't even know what the
• 59:32
  over under is on Rashad Penny for games. I'm thinking eight over under.
• 59:38
  It's got to be under, right, yeah, I honestly, if there
• 59:42
  is one that's pretty it's a pretty grim over under. I wonder if Vegas
• 59:47
  does that, but if they do, yeah, it's probably under eight again,
• 59:52
  folks. Vince Quinn from The Bell and the Birdman podcast also SPX Productions.
• 59:57
  Check out everything they are doing, and you can follow Vince on Twitter
• 1:00:00
  at It's Vince Quinn. And let's move along here because I am really concerned
• 1:00:06
  about the middle of the defense. Actually, I know we're feeling good about
• 1:00:08
  this team, as we were talking about earlier, not too many storylines during
• 1:00:12
  the course of the off season here, Vince, but I am concerned about
• 1:00:15
  the middle of the defensive side of the ball. I just the linebackers.
• 1:00:21
  We have no idea. We just have no idea what this middle of the
• 1:00:22
  field is going to look like. Talking about Nakobe Dean and how he is
• 1:00:25
  a talent that we can't wait to see, but how is he going to
• 1:00:30
  stack up like his first year, likely starting in the NFL. Other linebackers
• 1:00:35
  have come in during the course of free agency. We don't know what.
• 1:00:37
  We don't know what's gonna happen. I mean, what is your concern when
• 1:00:39
  it comes to the linebacker corps, if any at all? Oh yeah,
• 1:00:43
  there, there isn't any idea. And it's not even because I'm worried about
• 1:00:45
  like the style of play. I just fundamentally don't care, Like I like.
• 1:00:50
  Linebackers to me are just like they're just so such a small part of
• 1:00:52
  the game. And if they're good, great, unless it's like, I
• 1:00:55
  don't know, like Casey Matthews out there, Remember the beautiful case Matthews.
• 1:01:00
  Yes, what a time to be alive. Google it, kids. He
• 1:01:02
  might be like his brother Clay. They have the same last name, folks.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, well he was pushed into the dirt a lot like play,
• 1:01:10
  so yeah, I mean he had that going for him. But yeah,
• 1:01:14
  like, dude, unless it's like an absolute disaster, all you want is
• 1:01:17
  a guy that's forgettable. If it turns out that Nakobe Dean is forgettable,
• 1:01:21
  you got him in the third People thought he was a first round talent it's
• 1:01:23
  still not it's it's not a mistake, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:01:28
  I'm still the right pick. So I totally don't care. I'm happy
• 1:01:31
  to be surprised with whatever comes out of it, and and we'll just see.
• 1:01:35
  It seemed it seemed bizarre that it seemed that this front office really wanted
• 1:01:39
  to increase talent at the linebacker position last season, and you know, it
• 1:01:45
  was like, oh my gosh, we we don't. We don't. We
• 1:01:49
  don't have whoever single Singleton Singleton? Was it Singleton? I got him forgetting
• 1:01:53
  him Alex Singleton, Yeah, exactly. He's playing for the Broncos. It's
• 1:01:58
  like, oh, wow, we don't have him more. Okay, great.
• 1:02:00
  You know, we actually had some talent at the linebacker position after he
• 1:02:04
  had left, and it's like, okay, now that's gone. I guess
• 1:02:07
  it's not a priority. I guess we just have to live with the fact
• 1:02:09
  that it's not a priority. Right. Well, something has to not be
• 1:02:14
  too, you know. So that's that's always the thing. It's like,
• 1:02:15
  okay, well, what did they prioritize. They prioritize defensive tackle and the
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  edge with the outside linebackers corner. They tried to keep CJ he decided to
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  leave. Now he calls Eagles fans obnoxious. Yeah. So yeah, like
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  they've tried in all those places and they they priority like they just don't value
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  linebackers, which was I always like when people wanted to Kobe Dean in the
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  first I didn't understand it at all. I was like, dude, do
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  you know what this team is? You know what they do? Like,
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  what do you what do you want this guy for? Uh So, I
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  never want to spend money on linebackers like that, and it just it drives
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  me crazy. So I honestly, if you were going to not value a
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  position, I think they've properly not valued the right position. Yeah. All
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  right, Well to close us out here, Vents, let's look at this
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  NFC East and I think it's fair to say that the Eagles are still the
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  favorites to win it. And yes, I know we're here in basically mid
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  July talking about these teams that haven't even gotten a training camp at this point
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  yet, but you know, barring any significant injuries, as Philadelphia Eagles team
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  looking like they're probably going to take it, and I think they might be
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  the first NFC team to win back to back division titles since I believe it
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  was two thousand and four. So I wonder, is there a surprise team
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  in the division that you might be a little bit concerned about as this twenty
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  twenty three season is just around the corner. Well, yeah, Dak said
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  he's not throwing more than ten picks, so clearly that's gonna happen. Yeah,
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  yeah, Yeah, let's just hand it to Dallas now. I'm just
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  going to crown them division champions. Congratulations the Dallas. You did it,
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  Dack only through eighteen picks, So yeah, I just like it's silly,
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  man. You can't. You can't trust any of these groups. I mean,
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  the only thing if you were going to bet on a team like the
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  Giants and all that sae Quon stuff could get really ugly. I think he
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  is going to hold out, and really I think all of those guys are
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  going to hold out. I think we're looking at like a union busting kind
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  of thing, where you know, the league is trying to shut down all
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  the revenues, they're trying to do it collectively. Yeah, and as a
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  result, these guys are gonna have to revolt. So I expect like a
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  mass group of guys all prominent players that don't show. So that's gonna be
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  a problem for the Giants. And he's really one of the best players.
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  And you know, good luck with Daniel Jones, So that's part of it.
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  Like, I think Washington has the best chance just because they're not going
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  to be sad, you know, Like Daniel Snyder makes you fundamentally sad all
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  the time. It's what he does. So now that he's gonna be gone,
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  they won't. I'm not gonna say they're gonna be happy, right,
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  but they're not going to be sad. Okay's gonna be sad, and that's
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  gonna help. So yeah, I'm worried about Washington more than anyone. I
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  actually would. I was gonna say the same team, to be honest with
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  you. And I think a lot of that is because of Eric b Enemy
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  too, because I think he's been you know, it's like, I can't
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  believe this guy hasn't gotten a head coaching position yet. And look, we
• 1:04:53
  kind of know that certain people get head coaching positions after winning Super Bowls.
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  Perhaps that may not necessary deserved head coaching positions at least, you know,
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  as far as Eagles fans here, I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:05:05
  There's certain Jonathan Gann and I'm not sure if he necessarily should have been given
• 1:05:10
  a head coaching position. However, Eric B. Enemy is a talented coach
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  in this league, and I think he is going to have the ability to
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  bring out some talent with the on the field talent with Washington Commanders. So
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  I think Eric B. Enemy is kind of that uh you know, kind
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  of kind of that under the radar coach in the NFC East. Yeah,
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  and the balance is good, right. Ron rivera defensive guy, He's terrible
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  at offense. He has no business over there a live his offenses aren't bad.
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  Uh So it like to get a guy like the Enemy who can essentially
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  be the head coach over there. It's it's a really good fit. They
• 1:05:42
  did a smart thing at It's Vince Quinn on the Twitter dot com Bell and
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  the Birdman Podcast. Vince Man, it was great having you on. Thank
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  you so much for taking the time. And let's go birds, my man.
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  Yeah, go birds, Baby. What is it that you're most looking
• 1:05:57
  forward to in terms of this Eagle season. I'd love to know what you're
• 1:06:00
  thinking. Philadelphia Sports Table at gmail dot com. We'd love to read your
• 1:06:03
  email here on the show and respond to it. I don't even know yet,
• 1:06:08
  and I don't. Let's not have folks emailing saying, oh, I'm
• 1:06:13
  looking forward to another Super Bowl appearance. No, no, no, no,
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  folks. There are a lot of storylines that are gonna start manifesting themselves
• 1:06:18
  during training camp developmentally, what's gonna happen with the offensive line, like Vince
• 1:06:23
  and I were just talking about with that right guard position. What's gonna happen
• 1:06:27
  with the linebacker position? How are the new Like what's gonna happen with a
• 1:06:30
  safety position? In terms of the starters there. That is a fantastic storyline
• 1:06:35
  that I cannot wait to read more about, listen to more podcasts about that
• 1:06:40
  particular position. I can't wait. So I would love to know what you're
• 1:06:45
  really looking forward to following with this Philadelphia Eagles team as training camp is right
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• 1:06:53
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• 1:07:06
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• 1:07:11
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• 1:07:15
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