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Angus · Cuff’s Basement

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cuff's Basement. Back to school. Back to school.
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Speaker 1: To prove to Ryan I'm not a fool. My shoes
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Speaker 1: tied tight. Hope I don't get in a fight. We're
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Speaker 1: continuing back to school month here on Cuff's Basement. And
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Speaker 1: it's Tim, and I'm with riggity, riggity, riggity, riggity, Ryan.
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Speaker 3: What's going on? Hey, everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, back to school. We started our first ever back
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Speaker 1: to school month. It only took us like eight years
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Speaker 1: or whatever with a bang-up breakfast club.
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Speaker 3: We started senior year. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Starting senior year, yeah. And now we're continuing with
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Speaker 1: an absolutely incredible– well, we'll talk about the age range
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Speaker 1: of these characters, but a very unknown, underappreciated high school
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Speaker 1: movie from 1995, right?
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Speaker 3: 95? Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, it's 95, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Called Angus. And this, this, yeah, I don't, I feel like,
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Speaker 1: what is your impression of this movie in the sense of,
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Speaker 1: do people know what this is? Like, I feel no.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like anybody knows what this movie is.
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Speaker 1: It was a random high school movie that came out
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Speaker 1: in the mid-90s. So there's a lot of them. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of really good ones. But I think this
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Speaker 1: one stands out as different. And Angus, personally for me,
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about it when we get into
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Speaker 1: the movie itself. Personally for me, as far as what
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Speaker 1: do I specifically identify with, do I think... Breakfast Club
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Speaker 1: is the ultimate depiction of... Chucky just jumped on the table.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: No, go away.
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Speaker 3: Go away.
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Speaker 1: I'm pausing. I'm going to spray him with a water bottle.
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Speaker 1: All right, we're continuing. I couldn't find the spray bottle,
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Speaker 1: but I poked a hole with a nail in a
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Speaker 1: water bottle and sprayed him away. Do I think, like... Okay,
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Speaker 1: I love Breakfast Club, and it's a great representation of, like,
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Speaker 1: those years. But do I think it is totally realistic,
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Speaker 1: like it was high school to me? No. But for me, Angus...
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Speaker 1: was high school. Not really. So like, especially cause a
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Speaker 1: thing that's unusual about Angus, there's a few things that
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Speaker 1: are unusual about Angus, but one is they, they're freshmen
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Speaker 1: in high school.
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Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like every high school movie is like
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Speaker 1: 35 year olds that are portraying seniors, like 35 year
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Speaker 1: old actors that are playing seniors in high school. You
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Um, like I can't hardly wait.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sorry. What? they have so much like the freshmen,
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Speaker 3: like this is about a freshman, but like everyone in
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Speaker 3: this movie is a freshman, but they seem to have
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Speaker 3: so much like power. Like there's no like seniors who
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Speaker 3: are tougher than Rick kind of thing. You know what
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Speaker 3: I mean?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think an important thing is, um, that they,
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Speaker 1: like the actors are young. Cause usually the James Van
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Speaker 1: Der Beek was over 18 when this movie came out,
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Speaker 1: but the actors in it are young. Like they seem young.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They don't seem like, you know, in Can't Hardly Wait,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I love Can't Hardly Wait, but
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Speaker 1: they all seem like they're 25 to 30, which they are.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But, you know, this movie is, well, what's your background
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Speaker 1: with this movie? Did you see this at the time? Like,
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Speaker 1: when did you be, when did you first see it?
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Speaker 1: And like, are you a fan of this movie?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I first saw it. It used to be on
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Speaker 3: Starz a lot. And we had Starz at home. So
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Speaker 3: I used to see this a lot there and always,
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Speaker 3: always love this movie. Always have. It's really kind of...
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Speaker 3: It sucks that it just never really got... I think
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Speaker 3: people who like it or people who've seen it love
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Speaker 3: it and respect it. But it's never really gotten a...
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Speaker 3: It's not like any streaming places that I know of.
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Speaker 3: I don't think at least. It's probably available to rent,
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Speaker 3: but like I don't see anything. But, yeah, always loved
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Speaker 3: this movie.
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Speaker 1: The director is nobody famous. The director is, what's his name,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Reed Johnson, and he was more famous for being
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Speaker 1: a writer. He wrote Dragonheart, was his big claim to fame,
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Speaker 1: with Dennis Quaid and Sean Connery.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And then, I don't know anything else he directed.
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Speaker 3: Baby Stay Out?
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Speaker 1: Oh, Baby's Day Out, yep, obviously.
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Speaker 3: I've never seen Space Invaders.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen that either, but nobody has. He directed
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Speaker 1: episodes of the Dinosaurs TV show to date ourselves.
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Speaker 3: When?
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Speaker 1: And this was actually written by a female screenwriter, which
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Speaker 1: isn't all that common. She wrote for My So-Called Life,
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Speaker 1: The Wondering... Oh, she was a producer, actually. She was
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Speaker 1: a producer on those.
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Speaker 3: Writer.
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Speaker 1: She wrote 25 things. Let's see what else she wrote.
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Speaker 1: She wrote... She wrote some 90210. She did write some
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Speaker 1: My So-Called Life. She did write some Wonder Years. She
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Speaker 1: did write 30-something Doogie Howser. So she was a television
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Speaker 1: writer for the most part. And this is based on
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Speaker 1: a short story by... What's the author's name? Chris Crutcher.
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Speaker 1: Who I'm not really familiar with.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, nor am I.
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Speaker 1: I know that one thing that was changed in the movie,
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Speaker 1: which if you read any trivia, I'm sure you saw this,
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Speaker 1: was in the short story and originally in the script,
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Speaker 1: Angus's dad is gay. And I think his mom is
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Speaker 1: gay too. And Hollywood in 1995 thought that would be
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Speaker 1: too weird given that this movie is already kind of
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Speaker 1: a little bit against the grain.
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Speaker 3: Did you find it so bizarre? Like I was watching
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Speaker 3: on YouTube like trailers for this movie and stuff and
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Speaker 3: All they keep saying is from the producers of Cool
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Speaker 3: Runnings because Cool Runnings was such a big hit. And
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Speaker 3: the same people made this movie. You know, it has
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Speaker 3: nothing to do with Cool Runnings. It's so strange.
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Speaker 1: That was their one thing that they could latch on
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Speaker 1: to to sell people in this movie, because like one
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Speaker 1: of the problems of this movie, not problems, but the
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Speaker 1: reasons it wasn't popular and didn't make money. is these
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Speaker 1: guys that star in it are not, like, they're supposed
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Speaker 1: to be high school losers, but in Hollywood terms, it's, like,
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Speaker 1: Rachel Leigh Cook, who's smoking hot, wearing glasses, is a
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Speaker 1: high school loser. Or, like, a fat kid is maybe
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Speaker 1: Rachel Leigh Cook, if she had put on, like, 15 pounds,
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Speaker 1: is a high school fat kid in movies. The main character, Angus,
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Speaker 1: actually is... Very fat. And Troy actually does look like
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Speaker 1: he would be a loser in school.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I was just like, this movie is starring Charlie Talbert,
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Speaker 1: who essentially never did anything ever again of note. Like
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Speaker 1: he never starred in anything. And of course not. He's
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Speaker 1: like a fat guy with a speech impediment. And he
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Speaker 1: starred in this movie. What other movie would he ever
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Speaker 1: possibly star in where he wouldn't be the best friend
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Speaker 1: or a muscle character or the fat party animal character?
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Speaker 1: He would be the leading male role. Zero movies would
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Speaker 1: exist for him to be in, right?
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Speaker 3: Zero, especially at this time or even later into the 2000s.
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Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, he's in Van Wilder.
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Speaker 3: for a very small part. And I remember just being
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Speaker 3: like beyond when I saw Van Wilder being like, holy shit,
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Speaker 3: it's Angus. Like he's in this movie. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Let me, you might be right.
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Speaker 3: Uh, he's, he's in one scene. It's like not even
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Speaker 3: a big scene. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he's in Joe dirt too. Um, he is in
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Speaker 1: Van Wilder as stomach guy.
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Speaker 3: Yes. They're doing, auditions for Van's assistant, and he just
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Speaker 3: shakes his stomach. He's in it for three seconds, but
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Speaker 3: I was like, that is Angus when I saw it.
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Speaker 1: He also had a very, very small blink-and-you-miss-it role in
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Speaker 1: the Watchmen television series.
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Speaker 3: Oh, really?
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Speaker 1: He played a.
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Speaker 3: Cop in one scene. Yeah. I saw on YouTube he
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Speaker 3: did an interview with somebody about the soundtrack to this movie.
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Speaker 3: I didn't watch the interview. I just saw it when
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Speaker 3: I was searching the Angus trailers and stuff on YouTube.
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Speaker 3: That was from like two or three years ago.
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Speaker 1: You better believe we're going to talk about the soundtrack
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Speaker 1: of this movie.
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Speaker 3: We absolutely do.
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Speaker 1: So Charlie Talbert is Angus, the male lead. His best
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Speaker 1: friend is Chris Owen, who you would recognize as the
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Speaker 1: Shermanator in American Pie.
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Speaker 3: Tons of movies. Tons of stuff. The Mist. Tons of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been like a nerd background character in a
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Speaker 1: lot of movies. And in American Pie, he's a ginger.
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Speaker 1: He's awkward looking. But he's still.
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Speaker 3: Tall.
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Speaker 1: And when this movie came out, he was very young.
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Speaker 1: So he's supposed to be... He's playing a high school
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Speaker 1: freshman who... is one of the smallest kids in the
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Speaker 1: grade and gets bullied a lot as a result of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's so interesting that he, based on how
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Speaker 3: he looked, was able to work for years in movies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably the best acting performance he ever
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Speaker 1: gave and the best opportunity to give a good acting performance.
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Speaker 1: I love his performance. In this movie and his performance,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We had
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Speaker 1: paused because Cece's being really loud upstairs. And then Ryan
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Speaker 1: started talking about the making of Dragonheart, which apparently he
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Speaker 1: has seen. So I need this to be on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the making of Dragonheart.
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Speaker 3: All right. So we start with a view of crystal
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Speaker 3: clear water. So... Dragon heart is, uh, people may know
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Speaker 3: is the seat, the CGI dragon movie voiced by Sean Connery, uh,
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Speaker 3: starring Dennis Quaid. Um, Patrick Reed Johnson is the writer
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Speaker 3: of the movie. That movie was originally going to be
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Speaker 3: made by the Jim Henson company. And the dragon was
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Speaker 3: going to be like a fully like Muppet puppet dragon,
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Speaker 3: like a, uh, animatronic. And he was going to direct it.
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Speaker 3: I think it was made by Universal. They were like,
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Speaker 3: we will make this movie, but he is not proven
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Speaker 3: enough as a director for us to believe he can
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Speaker 3: do this movie. So if you get another director, we
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Speaker 3: will give you more money. And he got phased out
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Speaker 3: of it pretty much. But he also has a history
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Speaker 3: of visual effects and stuff as well.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about the director of Angus.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick Reed Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, so other than Angus, his best friend Troy, the
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Speaker 1: female lead, the beautiful Melissa Lefevre, the most popular girl
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Speaker 1: in school, is portrayed by Ariana Richards, who famously was.
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Speaker 3: I wrote great name. When they said her name, I
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Speaker 3: was like, great name. What a name.
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Speaker 1: What a great hot girl name, Melissa Lefevre. Ariana Richards
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Speaker 1: plays Lex in Jurassic Park, most famously.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: She was also in Tremors.
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Speaker 3: She's in the first Tremors?
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Speaker 1: She is in Tremors 1 and Tremors 3. She plays Mindy.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Wow.
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Speaker 1: She kind of never really did anything after Jurassic Park
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Speaker 1: was 93, Angus was 95. Lost World, right?
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Speaker 3: What? Aren't her and Tim in the beginning of Lost World?
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but she was not even really in that movie.
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Speaker 1: She never really did anything of note after Jurassic Park.
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Speaker 1: But still, I will always love her. And the high
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Speaker 1: school quarterback, handsome guy, dickhead is the one and only R.I.P.
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Speaker 1: James Van Der Beek.
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Speaker 3: Question for you. I know we did this a long
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Speaker 3: time ago. I always had a problem with Varsity Blues
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Speaker 3: because of this movie. Because it's about Mox struggling through
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Speaker 3: life and you're supposed to be on his side. And
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Speaker 3: I was like, fuck you, Rick. That's all I ever
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Speaker 3: saw it as in my head.
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Speaker 1: Aren't the uniforms the same colors too?
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Speaker 3: That dark blue, right?
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Speaker 1: It's more of like a royal blue.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, they are.
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Speaker 1: I don't want your laugh.
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Speaker 3: After he was humiliated he goes off somewhere else and
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Speaker 3: there's a whole new way actually it could work he's
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Speaker 3: only a freshman in this movie.
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Speaker 1: It could work he could be Mox he could be.
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Speaker 3: I always wanted to know what happened after the Rick
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Speaker 3: Santra that's the people who made Varsity Blues that was
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Speaker 3: what their interest was.
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Speaker 1: The only other two people I think are worth mentioning
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Speaker 1: is Angus's mother is Kathy Bates her character's name.
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Speaker 3: Is probably the most famous person in this movie at
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Speaker 3: the time yep At the.
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Speaker 1: Time, honestly, I think that the most famous person in
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Speaker 1: this movie at the time was George C. Scott, who played.
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Speaker 3: She had won an Oscar five years before.
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Speaker 1: Oh, she had?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, he won an Oscar how many years before?
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Speaker 3: George C. Scott?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he won an Oscar. Didn't he win Best Actor?
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Speaker 3: Didn't he famously turn it down? He was one of
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Speaker 3: the people who refused it, right?
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Speaker 1: Oh, really? Is that true?
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Speaker 3: I'm looking this up. I think so.
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Speaker 1: So George C. Scott, who most famously played Patton, he's
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Speaker 1: been around forever. He's been an actor. He was born
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Speaker 1: in 27, died in 99. He plays Kathy Bates' father,
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Speaker 1: Angus' grandfather. I got a look at his... He won
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Speaker 1: Best Actor for Patton in Patton. But I don't know
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Speaker 1: if he turned it down. Oh, earlier at the 8th
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Speaker 1: Academy Awards– wait a minute. I'm seeing this somewhere. Hold on.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to find this at the reference here. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to pause it so we can verify what Ryan said. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Ryan found it. Ryan, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he won for Patton, as you said. The
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Speaker 3: producer of the movie accepted on his behalf. He had
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Speaker 3: been nominated for Best Supporting Actor before and also declined
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Speaker 3: that nomination. They continue to nominate him after he famously
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Speaker 3: is one of his very few quotes about it was
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Speaker 3: he discussed the ceremony as a two hour meat parade,
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Speaker 3: which is a great way to put it. And he's
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Speaker 3: been at he every time he is nominated, he asked
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Speaker 3: them to please remove him from future consideration.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Good for him. Good for him. And so
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Speaker 1: he basically is playing grandpa in this movie. He that's
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Speaker 1: him in real life. He's playing himself.
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Speaker 3: I want to do a quick, another cast and crew
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Speaker 3: shout out here. The cinematographer of this movie is Alexander Grzynski, uh,
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Speaker 3: who shot a recent cuffs basement classic known as stone cold. Oh,
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Speaker 3: so he went right off that set and ran to Angus.
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Speaker 1: I had to point out, um, So do you know,
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Speaker 1: we'll get to it later, but the actor who plays
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Speaker 1: the chess player?
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Speaker 3: The second I saw him, I said, I think I
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Speaker 3: know who this is. Then I waited and I was like,
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Speaker 3: that's him.
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Speaker 1: There's a random man we'll talk about later who has
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Speaker 1: a small role in this movie, but somewhat significant. And
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Speaker 1: it's the director of RoboCop 2 plays that man.
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Speaker 3: He's also the director of The Empire Strikes Back.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there's that too. I thought you were going
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Speaker 1: to say On Deadly Ground with Steven Seagal.
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Speaker 3: That one too. Also, I cannot believe they didn't let
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Speaker 3: him talk because he has a very famous voice. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Well, should we just get into it?
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Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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Speaker 1: We'll explain as we go why this movie. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this movie is special to me partially for nostalgia purposes
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Speaker 1: in the sense that I saw this when I was
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Speaker 1: this age. And really the reason that I got into
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Speaker 1: this movie originally was with Ben. and it was because
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Speaker 1: of Green Day. Because Ben and I were really huge
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Speaker 1: Green Day fans, and I guess Green Day's producer, record producer,
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Speaker 1: produced this movie. Really? And as a result, I don't
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Speaker 1: remember the guy's name, but as a result, they were
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Speaker 1: allowed to use, not only is Green Day in the soundtrack,
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Speaker 1: but in the movie, they talk about Green Day. They
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Speaker 1: talk about going to a Green Day concert, and how
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Speaker 1: they like Green Day. And they had released... There was
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Speaker 1: like a B-side that didn't make an album. I think
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Speaker 1: it might have been Dookie. And the B-side that didn't
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Speaker 1: make the album was called J.A.R. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: how it didn't make an album because it's like maybe
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Speaker 1: the best Green Day song ever. But they put it
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Speaker 1: on the Angus soundtrack and it's featured in the movie
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Speaker 1: multiple times. And Ben and I loved that song. So
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Speaker 1: I literally like, because you couldn't really get the song
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Speaker 1: anywhere because it wasn't on an album except for the
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Speaker 1: Angus soundtrack. So I remember like renting Angus listening to
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Speaker 1: the end credits holding a tape recorder up to the
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Speaker 1: tv to record jr so i would.
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Speaker 3: Have man i remember doing that to the radio so
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Speaker 3: many times and you can hear people in the background
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Speaker 3: and stuff oh my god um yeah This must have,
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Speaker 3: that song had to have done well after because when
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Speaker 3: they released, I think in like the early 2000s, was
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Speaker 3: it International Super Hits was their greatest album name?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
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Speaker 3: J.A.R. is on it.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So it must have done well, yeah.
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Speaker 1: They had a couple B-sides that were huge that they
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Speaker 1: would play at concerts, like Maria, I think is the
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Speaker 1: name of the song, Maria, Maria, like Green Day always
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Speaker 1: played that at concerts, but it wasn't on an album,
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Speaker 1: it was on International Super Hits, but Anyways, I mean,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, but this whole album is just
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Speaker 1: nothing but bangers. The movie starts where it's narrated by
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Speaker 1: the main character, Angus, who's a freshman in high school.
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Speaker 1: And I will read parts of the narration. It kind
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Speaker 1: of sets the tone. My mother named me after my father, Angus,
20:56
Speaker 1: a cow's name, which didn't help matters much because I
20:59
Speaker 1: was a big kid. My mother was in labor with
21:01
Speaker 1: me for two days, but my dad's the one who
21:03
Speaker 1: died in childbirth. He died of a heart attack waiting
21:05
Speaker 1: for her to deliver. But this wasn't really my problem.
21:08
Speaker 1: In fact, I thought my family life was relatively normal
21:11
Speaker 1: until I started getting expert feedback in kindergarten. And it
21:15
Speaker 1: shows Angus as a kindergartner at a birthday party. And
21:18
Speaker 1: somebody says, Angus Bethune is a fat kid. He's so
21:23
Speaker 1: hungry he eats his boogers. And he says, this was
21:27
Speaker 1: my problem. Rick Sanford. Rick Sanford is a kid in
21:31
Speaker 1: his class who was later played by James Van Der Beek.
21:34
Speaker 1: But at this point, they're in kindergarten. And Rick says, hey, Angus,
21:39
Speaker 1: want to play pin the tail on the donkey? You're
21:41
Speaker 1: the donkey. And Angus's reaction, God bless him, is he
21:45
Speaker 1: punches Rick right in the face. And what does someone
21:49
Speaker 1: in the background yell when he punches Rick in the face?
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Speaker 3: He broke his nose.
21:54
Speaker 1: He broke his nose, Angus. I met my friend Troy Wedberg,
21:58
Speaker 1: my best friend Troy Wedberg, the day he charged five
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Speaker 1: cents to see... And what is Troy charging five cents
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Speaker 1: to see in the boys' bathroom?
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Speaker 3: His cousin's pubic hair.
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Speaker 1: My cousin's pubic hair. Rick Sanford comes out and says,
22:16
Speaker 1: you're a liar. And he rips the pubic hair out
22:19
Speaker 1: of his hand. And I love this line. Angus immediately
22:23
Speaker 1: steps in between Troy and Rick and, trying to be intimidating, says,
22:27
Speaker 1: give him back his pubic hair, Rick. Angus continues, I
22:34
Speaker 1: fell in love with Melissa Lefevre the day she threw
22:36
Speaker 1: Alex Emmerglock across Tarlow's roller rink. And I like this line.
22:41
Speaker 1: I think it's very realistic how kids talk because in
22:44
Speaker 1: a badly written movie, it would be like, I fell
22:47
Speaker 1: in love with Melissa Lefevre when she threw someone across
22:50
Speaker 1: the roller rink. But that's not how kids talk about memories.
22:53
Speaker 1: Like you would say Alex Emmerglock and you wouldn't call
22:57
Speaker 1: it the roller rink. You would call it like You know,
23:00
Speaker 1: whatever the local roller rink was called. You know what
23:03
Speaker 1: I mean? You would call it Tarlows.
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Speaker 3: High impact moment. Every detail. Yep. Yes. Yes.
23:10
Speaker 1: And she saw some kid who was being a dick,
23:12
Speaker 1: so she just tossed him across the roller rink. And
23:14
Speaker 1: ever since that moment, Angus was in love with her.
23:18
Speaker 1: He continues, Melissa was the kind of girl that made
23:20
Speaker 1: you ache because you know she was put on this
23:22
Speaker 1: earth out of your reach only to make you feel bad.
23:27
Speaker 1: As we got older, Rick Sanford got more and more popular,
23:29
Speaker 1: but the worst part is he got Melissa Lefevre. And
23:33
Speaker 1: Rick is the quarterback of the football team. He's dating
23:36
Speaker 1: Melissa Lefevre. And now it is present day. Angus and
23:43
Speaker 1: Troy are on the football team. Troy looks insane in
23:46
Speaker 1: his football uniform.
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Speaker 3: I lost it. I was like, I forgot Troy plays football.
23:50
Speaker 3: I was like, this poor kid. Props to him, though,
23:52
Speaker 3: for doing it. My God.
23:54
Speaker 1: He's like five feet tall, 90 pounds soaking wet, and
23:57
Speaker 1: he's on the football team. He obviously doesn't play it down,
24:00
Speaker 1: and he looks ridiculous in his uniform. He has huge
24:02
Speaker 1: pads on.
24:03
Speaker 3: The pads are literally wearing him. I don't know how
24:06
Speaker 3: to describe it, yeah.
24:08
Speaker 1: And Angus says, Rick had everything. The looks, the talent,
24:15
Speaker 1: Melissa Lefevre, and I had Troy. Yeah. So this soundtrack
24:22
Speaker 1: I want to talk about right now. So this soundtrack
24:24
Speaker 1: was J.A.R. by Green Day.
24:29
Speaker 3: Ash.
24:29
Speaker 1: Do you know Ash? The band Ash?
24:32
Speaker 3: I don't. No.
24:33
Speaker 1: So people called them the Irish Green Day because they
24:36
Speaker 1: were similar to Green Day. They were very popular in Ireland.
24:40
Speaker 1: But they formed in Ireland. So they have a song,
24:43
Speaker 1: like their most famous song that I love from this
24:47
Speaker 1: movie is Kung Fu. Listen to Kung Fu by Ash
24:52
Speaker 1: on Spotify. It's an awesome pop-punk 90s song. Dancehall Crashers,
24:59
Speaker 1: The Riverdales, The Smoking Popes, Weezer. Weezer has a fantastic
25:03
Speaker 1: song in this movie. You Gave Your Love to Me Softly,
25:07
Speaker 1: which Weezer wrote for this movie. The Goo Goo Dolls,
25:11
Speaker 1: Ain't That Unusual, fantastic song. The Muffs, Tilt, Whiteholmes, um,
25:19
Speaker 1: pansy division, deep water and love, spit love. Am I wrong?
25:24
Speaker 1: All every song in this movie is, is amazing.
25:28
Speaker 3: It's a great soundtrack. It's also sadly like one of
25:31
Speaker 3: those soundtracks when you bought the CD, not all of
25:34
Speaker 3: the songs are on the CD. I remember that being
25:37
Speaker 3: a big thing and being like, cause I don't think
25:39
Speaker 3: the Weezer song is on the CD.
25:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a huge bummer when it came to
25:43
Speaker 1: buying soundtracks because like, let's say that, um, you know,
25:47
Speaker 1: there's a really popular song. I'd say Broadway by Google
25:50
Speaker 1: dolls was in this song. And then maybe another Google
25:53
Speaker 1: doll song was, was, was in this movie. I mean,
25:55
Speaker 1: not in the song. When you go to buy the CD,
25:58
Speaker 1: like the studio paid for the rights to have it
26:00
Speaker 1: in the movie, but they, you also have to pay
26:03
Speaker 1: additionally to have the rights to sell it in the soundtrack.
26:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:07
Speaker 1: So like a huge thing was, um, I think it
26:11
Speaker 1: was Royal Tenenbaums. There was a Rolling Stones, oh, Ruby Tuesday.
26:17
Speaker 3: Okay.
26:17
Speaker 1: The Rolling Stones song is in Royal Tenenbaums, right?
26:19
Speaker 2: Yep.
26:21
Speaker 1: And I bought the soundtrack. And I think they have
26:23
Speaker 1: She Smiles Sweetly by the Rolling Stones on the soundtrack,
26:26
Speaker 1: but they did not have Ruby Tuesday. Because that's like
26:29
Speaker 1: a really popular song and it would cost too much
26:31
Speaker 1: money to put it in the soundtrack. Because it already
26:33
Speaker 1: cost so much money to put it in the movie.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. And a lot of bands also... like a lot
26:39
Speaker 3: of the bands also don't like want them on the
26:43
Speaker 3: cd sound or like the albums too they don't want
26:45
Speaker 3: them like released on soundtracks they just want them the
26:47
Speaker 3: movie only i've heard a lot of those kind of
26:50
Speaker 3: stories too um yeah.
26:53
Speaker 1: Yeah that and fair if that's what you want but
26:57
Speaker 1: that was a bummer when you'd be like oh my
26:59
Speaker 1: god i love this song in this movie i'm gonna
27:01
Speaker 1: go buy the cd and then it's not on there
27:03
Speaker 1: yeah yeah because you gotta remember back in the day
27:06
Speaker 1: like You don't even know what the name of that
27:09
Speaker 1: song necessarily is. You might not even know the band.
27:12
Speaker 1: You just heard it in the movie and you have
27:13
Speaker 1: no way of looking it up. So then you go
27:16
Speaker 1: to the CD store, you go to Newbery Comics, you
27:18
Speaker 1: buy the soundtrack to the movie and you look at
27:21
Speaker 1: the back tracks and you're like, I don't know these bands,
27:23
Speaker 1: I don't know these songs, but I got to assume
27:25
Speaker 1: the song I love is on there. Then you listen
27:27
Speaker 1: through the CD and you're like, what the fuck? It
27:29
Speaker 1: never appeared.
27:31
Speaker 3: I remember you used to watch the end credits of
27:34
Speaker 3: the movie to see the listing of the songs in
27:36
Speaker 3: the movie and then try to find a way, even pre-internet,
27:42
Speaker 3: to find out which song it was.
27:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this, Ryan. This is so sad. Because
27:47
Speaker 1: when you watch movie credits, which no one would ever
27:51
Speaker 1: do anymore for any reason, you wait until the very,
27:55
Speaker 1: very end because that's when they start listing the songs. Yoda.
27:59
Speaker 1: Now Yoda's down here too. You guys are killing me.
28:01
Speaker 1: I would never spray Yoda because she would never forgive me.
28:04
Speaker 1: She's a delicate little flower. But you can't be on
28:06
Speaker 1: the table, sweet pea. You would wait until the very
28:10
Speaker 1: end of the credits because that's when they show all
28:13
Speaker 1: the songs. And you would have to just guess because
28:15
Speaker 1: I'm making this up. If you're watching Angus and there's
28:19
Speaker 1: a song, you don't know the band, you don't know
28:21
Speaker 1: the name of the song, but you can remember that
28:23
Speaker 1: there's a line of like, we went to the park.
28:26
Speaker 1: And then you would read the credits of the movie
28:28
Speaker 1: and it would say like park song by a band
28:31
Speaker 1: you've never heard of. And you'd say, okay, I think
28:33
Speaker 1: it's probably that, but you weren't sure. This is all
28:36
Speaker 1: insane to describe that. Like we actually, our children will
28:39
Speaker 1: never have to do this.
28:41
Speaker 3: There was a miracle point in time, a slight, a
28:44
Speaker 3: slight breakthrough when I don't know which chain did it.
28:50
Speaker 3: One of the chains had that machine that you could
28:53
Speaker 3: scan the CD and And it would give you 30-second
28:56
Speaker 3: samples of each song if it was in this.
29:00
Speaker 1: The Wall did it at the Natick Mall. Do you
29:02
Speaker 1: remember The Wall?
29:02
Speaker 2: The Wall.
29:03
Speaker 3: I do remember The Wall. Yeah.
29:05
Speaker 1: Because Newbery Comics was obviously the best CD store, but
29:08
Speaker 1: they didn't do that.
29:09
Speaker 3: No, yeah. They didn't have anything of that type. But
29:12
Speaker 3: I think the Border Bookstore had it. And that was
29:17
Speaker 3: just a gift. It was just like, does this have it?
29:20
Speaker 3: Is it on here? Can I do it now? This
29:23
Speaker 3: of course is just completely defeated instantly. But, um, that
29:27
Speaker 3: was just such a funny thing to think about. Cause
29:30
Speaker 3: it would be, I remember this empire record, same deal.
29:33
Speaker 3: Empire records, especially committed the crime of not all the
29:36
Speaker 3: songs being on the soundtrack.
29:41
Speaker 1: We should do an all-time great 90s soundtrack, and Empire
29:45
Speaker 1: Records would be on there. Sugar High, I remember loving that,
29:48
Speaker 1: and Renee Zellweger sings it in the movie. Fantastic. But, continuing.
29:56
Speaker 1: Angus narrates while they're at a football game, so it's
29:59
Speaker 1: a football game, you know, Friday night. Growing up, you
30:02
Speaker 1: wait for the one moment that's truly yours, that makes
30:04
Speaker 1: you believe every once in a while the good guys
30:07
Speaker 1: can win, and I was still waiting for that moment.
30:10
Speaker 1: And I, that's a feeling I had growing up, like,
30:14
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're a little kid, everybody's friends,
30:17
Speaker 1: you're so hopeful, everything's pretty positive, and then when you
30:19
Speaker 1: get to middle school, things start to suck, and you're like,
30:22
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like, Good things happen to bad people,
30:25
Speaker 1: and bad things happen to good people. What is going on?
30:27
Speaker 1: This isn't how movies and television told me life was
30:31
Speaker 1: not like this. So it could be a very disappointing time.
30:34
Speaker 1: Angus is enormous. Not only is he fat, but he's tall.
30:39
Speaker 1: So he plays O-line, and he's very good. Now, the
30:42
Speaker 1: irony of this is he has to protect Rick, James
30:45
Speaker 1: Van Der Beek, who he absolutely hates. And do you
30:50
Speaker 1: remember what Rick says when they're about to go run
30:55
Speaker 1: the play?
30:58
Speaker 3: No.
30:58
Speaker 1: He says, you better watch my ass. And Angus says,
31:02
Speaker 1: I'm watching it. And he says, I bet you are. Like,
31:04
Speaker 1: basically calling him gay.
31:06
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, okay.
31:09
Speaker 1: And the way that this play transpires is just so perfect. So,
31:13
Speaker 1: Rick snaps the ball. Angus wrecks two D-linemen. And Angus says,
31:19
Speaker 1: I was impenetrable. I was a wall. And Rick has
31:23
Speaker 1: all the time in the world to throw the ball
31:25
Speaker 1: because of Angus. He throws a pick. So he completely
31:29
Speaker 1: fucks up. Then Angus runs over and nails the cornerback,
31:34
Speaker 1: causing a fumble. So not only did he demolish two defenders,
31:40
Speaker 1: but he also caused a fumble with his tackle. Rick
31:42
Speaker 1: recovers the fumble, scores the winning touchdown, and is lifted
31:46
Speaker 1: on everyone's shoulders. While Angus is laying there completely concussed.
31:53
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
31:56
Speaker 1: Very, very fitting moment. Angus is really sweaty the rest
32:01
Speaker 1: of the movie, like not during football. He's just in school.
32:05
Speaker 1: He's just like a big fat kid who's constantly sweaty.
32:07
Speaker 1: I can definitely relate to that. I am and was
32:11
Speaker 1: a very sweaty person my entire life.
32:14
Speaker 3: His line, I don't sweat, I rain, is amazing. It's
32:17
Speaker 3: just amazing. It's amazing. Yep.
32:21
Speaker 1: It cuts to they're in science class, and Angus is
32:23
Speaker 1: very smart, so he's presenting this experiment he's working on.
32:27
Speaker 1: E from Entourage is in this movie as just like
32:31
Speaker 1: one of Rick's cronies.
32:34
Speaker 3: Okay.
32:34
Speaker 1: What is his name? The Redhead. The main character in Entourage.
32:42
Speaker 3: I didn't really watch besides what's his name, the guy
32:45
Speaker 3: from Devil Wears Prada.
32:48
Speaker 1: He's oh Vince he's the oh Kevin Conley Kevin Conley
32:53
Speaker 1: he was uh in Unhappily Ever After I also think
32:57
Speaker 1: he might have been a member of Leonardo DiCaprio's Pussy
33:00
Speaker 1: Posse okay if you don't if you don't know what
33:03
Speaker 1: that is yeah what I'm sorry what he was in
33:06
Speaker 1: the notebook oh he was I don't remember him in
33:09
Speaker 1: the notebook.
33:10
Speaker 3: He is uh spoiler alert he is uh killed in
33:13
Speaker 3: World War II with uh Ryan Gosling.
33:18
Speaker 1: Good squad good so if you don't know what I'm
33:22
Speaker 1: referring to with the PP Leonardo DiCaprio when he was
33:26
Speaker 1: a teenager in his 20s had a group of problematic
33:29
Speaker 1: bachelors that called themselves that in Hollywood and would try
33:34
Speaker 1: to sleep with as many women as possible it was
33:37
Speaker 1: Leo it was Tobey Maguire I think it was Kevin
33:39
Speaker 1: Conley there's a bunch of other.
33:41
Speaker 3: People too he directed the 2018 movie Gotti starring John
33:45
Speaker 3: Travolta as John.
33:46
Speaker 1: Gotti Kevin Conley did Yeah. No, he did not.
33:51
Speaker 3: It says he directed the movie Gotti. Comey was hired
33:54
Speaker 3: after a number of other directors, including Barry Levinson, were
33:57
Speaker 3: attached to the project during its lengthy development process. The
34:01
Speaker 3: film was a critical and commercial disaster and is one
34:04
Speaker 3: of the few films to hold an approval rating of
34:06
Speaker 3: zero on the website Rotten Tomatoes.
34:08
Speaker 1: Hey, random thought. Now that we're talking about Gotti and
34:11
Speaker 1: we saw The Odyssey this week.
34:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:14
Speaker 1: I never really got Armand Asante. Like why was Armand
34:17
Speaker 1: Asante a big thing for a while? Like he was
34:20
Speaker 1: the lead in the nineties odyssey, which is a very
34:22
Speaker 1: big deal. He was the lead in Gotti. He was
34:26
Speaker 1: the villain, main villain in judge dread with Sylvester Stallone.
34:30
Speaker 1: Why was he ever a thing?
34:34
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know. I'm not sure whatever got
34:37
Speaker 3: him like his clout initially. Yeah.
34:41
Speaker 1: And like, He's fine playing generic mafioso Italian guy, but
34:46
Speaker 1: he plays every character the same. He only has one mode,
34:49
Speaker 1: like John Wayne. And him playing Odysseus is patently insane.
34:54
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the 90s Odyssey, or at least if
34:56
Speaker 1: I have, I don't remember it. But yeah, I don't
34:59
Speaker 1: know why he was cast in that.
35:01
Speaker 3: I saw it in high school, yeah. We watched it
35:03
Speaker 3: actually in 9th grade, yeah.
35:05
Speaker 1: But I love in this moment in science class, the
35:08
Speaker 1: teacher has no respect for Angus. is barely paying attention
35:11
Speaker 1: to a science experiment. And when the bell rings, the teacher,
35:16
Speaker 1: just really annoyed, goes, Angus, you were called to the
35:19
Speaker 1: principal's office. And then turns to Rick and goes, hey, Rick,
35:21
Speaker 1: great touchdown.
35:23
Speaker 3: Well, I did like what's his name? Kevin Conley says,
35:25
Speaker 3: do you see my block?
35:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So Angus goes to the principal's office.
35:34
Speaker 1: The principal sits down and tells him, do you remember
35:36
Speaker 1: what he says?
35:37
Speaker 3: He has some news. He got a letter from Jefferson
35:41
Speaker 3: that he's been accepted or has an interview and he
35:45
Speaker 3: has to do a science project for the interview in
35:49
Speaker 3: order to guarantee acceptance. And it's a. It's almost like
35:55
Speaker 3: a pre... He would leave high school. It wouldn't just
35:57
Speaker 3: be like he's accepted to college three years early. He'd
35:59
Speaker 3: be gone.
36:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't know.
36:03
Speaker 3: Is it a junior college? Is that what.
36:05
Speaker 1: You call that? It's a private school that specializes in
36:08
Speaker 1: science and only takes elite academic students.
36:14
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a real school.
36:16
Speaker 1: What is a magnet school? Because I don't know what
36:20
Speaker 1: this means. A magnet school... Magnet School, Magnate School, is
36:27
Speaker 1: a public school that has a specialized focus or program
36:29
Speaker 1: designed to attract students from a wider area. For example,
36:33
Speaker 1: there might be a school that specializes in the performing arts,
36:35
Speaker 1: one that specializes in science or law or international studies. Typically,
36:41
Speaker 1: unlike a typical public school, students have to apply to
36:44
Speaker 1: get in, even if they don't live in the immediate neighborhood.
36:48
Speaker 1: The reason... The name comes from the idea that it
36:52
Speaker 1: magnetizes students towards a particular program or theme.
36:56
Speaker 2: Oh.
36:57
Speaker 3: Okay.
36:58
Speaker 1: All right. I didn't know that. But that's what he's
37:00
Speaker 1: getting into. Jefferson is a science magnet school.
37:04
Speaker 3: Okay.
37:06
Speaker 1: All right. And he goes home. He tells his mom,
37:09
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates, who is excited. Kathy Bates loves him, is
37:12
Speaker 1: a really good mom, thinks he's perfect.
37:15
Speaker 3: Love the line that she's a truck driver and her
37:18
Speaker 3: CB name is Bruiser. Yes. That was great.
37:22
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. So his father passed away, as we talked about.
37:25
Speaker 1: His mom is a truck driver. And his grandfather lives
37:29
Speaker 1: with them. His grandfather is played by George C.
37:31
Speaker 3: Scott.
37:32
Speaker 1: And a frequent joke in this movie is that the
37:35
Speaker 1: grandfather always randomly falls asleep because he's old. And whenever
37:40
Speaker 1: he falls asleep, when Grandpa falls asleep, what does Angus do?
37:44
Speaker 3: He plays a song that is like that. I always
37:48
Speaker 3: think of the salute your shorts opening, but it's this
37:50
Speaker 3: famous horns thing. Yeah. Military horns thing.
37:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:54
Speaker 1: It's called Reveille is the name of the song.
37:56
Speaker 3: Okay.
37:57
Speaker 1: And grandpa wakes up and they're discussing that he's getting
38:00
Speaker 1: married to a woman named April, who is 30 years
38:03
Speaker 1: younger than him. So grandpa is 72 and April is 42.
38:08
Speaker 1: And Kathy Bates is very upset about this. Who gets
38:11
Speaker 1: married at 72? This is ridiculous. Um, they're, they're, they're
38:15
Speaker 1: eating dinner to the three of them. And then grandpa
38:17
Speaker 1: falls asleep. So she just gets, she gets up annoyed
38:21
Speaker 1: and walks away. And then Angus says, she's gone. And
38:24
Speaker 1: you find out that grandpa was pretending to fall asleep.
38:26
Speaker 1: Just so Kathy Bates would shut up and leave him alone.
38:29
Speaker 3: I love when she is complaining about the wedding to Angus.
38:34
Speaker 3: And he's like, why is she talking to me? Like
38:35
Speaker 3: I'm not in the room. And he's like, why is
38:37
Speaker 3: she talking to me? Like I'm an adult.
38:40
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, that's a really good point. Grandpa's
38:42
Speaker 1: my favorite character in the movie.
38:44
Speaker 3: He's great.
38:45
Speaker 1: Pretty hands down. Grandpa's my favorite character in the movie.
38:49
Speaker 1: Back at school, Troy is listening to the radio while
38:53
Speaker 1: he's hanging out with Angus. And he explains every time
38:57
Speaker 1: they play Green Day on the radio, the first caller
38:59
Speaker 1: gets two tickets to the Green Day concert that's coming locally.
39:03
Speaker 1: So Troy, as a result, is listening to his headphones,
39:06
Speaker 1: listening to the radio all day in school to try
39:09
Speaker 1: to hear Green Day and win tickets.
39:11
Speaker 3: The calling the restaurant across the street from the school,
39:14
Speaker 3: the lunchbox. Brilliant.
39:16
Speaker 1: Brilliant. Did you have like an across the street school
39:20
Speaker 1: restaurant that kids hung out at?
39:21
Speaker 3: Like, don't we, we couldn't leave the school premises.
39:26
Speaker 1: Um, no, I know, but like after school or after.
39:28
Speaker 3: Sports, it was, called Vito's. It was a pizza place.
39:35
Speaker 1: When Megan went to Marion, it was Friendly's in downtown Framingham.
39:38
Speaker 1: All the kids hung out at Friendly's all the time,
39:40
Speaker 1: which was like a perfect high school hangout spot. By
39:44
Speaker 1: the time I went there, Friendly's was not cool anymore.
39:46
Speaker 1: Nobody went to Friendly's.
39:48
Speaker 3: Well, it's always been– it's always cool. I don't care
39:51
Speaker 3: where it is now. I think it's one of– Oh, no.
39:53
Speaker 1: I just think that like the kids in my high
39:56
Speaker 1: school class were just wrong. Because I feel like Megan–
39:59
Speaker 1: Megan loved high school. And granted, like Megan was a cheerleader.
40:04
Speaker 1: She was popular. From my understanding, attractive is what people
40:08
Speaker 1: told me. So Bridget and Megan being my older sister's– uh,
40:14
Speaker 1: who were five years older and seven years older. So
40:16
Speaker 1: like when I'm 14, they're 19 and 21. And they
40:19
Speaker 1: would like, sometimes not often, but they would sometimes pick
40:22
Speaker 1: me up. Like people knew who they were. So dickheads
40:26
Speaker 1: at school would make comments about, Oh, your sisters are hot.
40:29
Speaker 1: Your sisters are hot. And I just knew like, cause what,
40:32
Speaker 1: what does every guy do in that scenario? It's like, Oh,
40:35
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. And like, get all mad about it.
40:37
Speaker 1: And like, what does that, what does that do? That
40:39
Speaker 1: just makes them want to tell you more. A thousand
40:42
Speaker 1: times worse. A thousand times worse. So I was smart
40:45
Speaker 1: enough to realize, like, I squashed it right away. It
40:47
Speaker 1: never bothered me, and I squashed it right away. Whenever
40:51
Speaker 1: somebody would say something like that to me, which would
40:52
Speaker 1: happen a few times a year, I would say, they
40:55
Speaker 1: are so sexy. I would make a comment like that,
40:59
Speaker 1: and they would just like, what? You think your sisters
41:03
Speaker 1: are sexy? And I go, have you seen them? I mean,
41:06
Speaker 1: it's tough enough living with them. I mean, my God.
41:09
Speaker 1: And they'd just be like, oh.
41:10
Speaker 3: I like how you're talking about like they are crazy
41:13
Speaker 3: for questioning it now.
41:15
Speaker 1: Then they would never bring it up to me ever again.
41:19
Speaker 1: But yeah, so like the kids in my class were
41:21
Speaker 1: just scumbags. Like they would before and after school, instead
41:24
Speaker 1: of like going to Friendly's to get a bite with
41:26
Speaker 1: some friends and hang out, they would like take pills
41:28
Speaker 1: or drink or smoke weed in somebody's car at somebody's house.
41:33
Speaker 3: There was a corner on one of like, cause like
41:35
Speaker 3: the high school was literally in the middle of the neighborhood.
41:38
Speaker 3: So it was a corner that had like a brick wall.
41:39
Speaker 3: People would smoke at, you know what the funny thing is.
41:42
Speaker 3: I'm curious. Cause you guys obviously went to school near one.
41:45
Speaker 3: We were so close to the Arsenal and Watertown mall,
41:48
Speaker 3: but a lot of the kids did not like hang
41:50
Speaker 3: out in the mall. You know what I mean? It
41:52
Speaker 3: was kind of weird. Yeah.
41:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll never forget that. My teacher, Mr. McGarry, shout
41:58
Speaker 1: out Mr.
41:58
Speaker 3: McGarry.
42:00
Speaker 1: I ran into him at church or something like years
42:02
Speaker 1: after I graduated. And I said, who is some of
42:05
Speaker 1: the worst classes you ever had? Especially like in my day.
42:08
Speaker 1: Out of the four years I was there. And he goes, oh,
42:10
Speaker 1: the worst class is definitely your class. And I said,
42:14
Speaker 1: what about Paul's class? Because Paul's class, they would always
42:17
Speaker 1: do pranks. And Mr. McGarry said, no, I'll tell you
42:21
Speaker 1: the difference between Paul's class, 03 and 04. 03 would
42:26
Speaker 1: like cause a prank. They would do something like put
42:29
Speaker 1: a thumbtack in a teacher's chair or some cliche thing
42:32
Speaker 1: like that. Your class was bad people. Like you had
42:36
Speaker 1: bad kids in your class. Instead of playing a prank
42:40
Speaker 1: on a teacher, they would like– Mr. McGarry didn't say this,
42:44
Speaker 1: but they're the type of kids that would probably date
42:46
Speaker 1: rape someone. That's the difference between Paul's class and my class,
42:50
Speaker 1: and I'm not proud of that. They're all scumbags.
42:52
Speaker 3: Wow. That was definitely the class ahead of us. I
42:55
Speaker 3: was 03. But the class ahead of us, the teachers
42:58
Speaker 3: were beyond psyched that they were gone. They were like,
43:02
Speaker 3: thank God 2002 is gone. That's all they would say.
43:05
Speaker 3: They were like, thank God.
43:08
Speaker 1: So Troy and Angus are in this assembly and Troy's explaining,
43:13
Speaker 1: if you go to Jefferson Nerd High, you might as
43:16
Speaker 1: well be a monk because you won't get any babes.
43:18
Speaker 1: And then they start making fun of each other and
43:20
Speaker 1: Angus goes, what do you know about babes? You play
43:22
Speaker 1: the accordion. You're short. And Troy says, you're fat. And
43:26
Speaker 1: then they just angrily high five and say, but, and
43:30
Speaker 1: I like that little moment between them. Like, cause you do, you,
43:34
Speaker 1: you know, Angus is so accurately moody where, you know,
43:37
Speaker 1: Angus is a really good kid and you don't hold
43:39
Speaker 1: it against him. He's not like a whiny little bitch,
43:41
Speaker 1: but he's very moody and tough to be around as
43:44
Speaker 1: a teenager. Um, but you still love him. And that's
43:47
Speaker 1: a great moment where like you do shit on your friends,
43:50
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you need to
43:51
Speaker 1: remind each other like, okay, why are we doing this?
43:53
Speaker 1: We're friends. So whenever they get really mad at each other,
43:56
Speaker 1: They just angrily high five and say buds.
43:59
Speaker 3: And I think that later that comes into play a
44:01
Speaker 3: lot at the end. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
44:04
Speaker 1: So there's a vote for the winter ball king and queen.
44:08
Speaker 1: And Troy says, you know, it'd be funny, Angus, if
44:10
Speaker 1: we went to the dance. And Angus is like, what
44:13
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I'm not going to the dance.
44:16
Speaker 1: And he's, you know, like watch people spaz out on
44:18
Speaker 1: the dance floor. Look at the dildos standing around pretending
44:21
Speaker 1: they don't want to be there. But secretly they do.
44:24
Speaker 1: And Angus says, Troy, we are those dildos. And then
44:28
Speaker 1: Angus realizes, oh my god, Troy, you told your mother
44:32
Speaker 1: about this, and now she's making you go. Why did
44:35
Speaker 1: you tell her about it? And Troy's like, I don't
44:37
Speaker 1: tell my mom everything, but yes, that's exactly what happened.
44:42
Speaker 1: And then he says, he's listening to his headphones still.
44:44
Speaker 1: He goes, oh shit, Green Day, I gotta get to
44:46
Speaker 1: the payphone. So he turns the corner to run to
44:48
Speaker 1: the phone, but he runs directly into Rick Sanford, James
44:52
Speaker 1: Van Der Beek. So I love– I don't remember what
44:56
Speaker 1: Rick says, but he says something really mean to Troy.
44:59
Speaker 1: Do you remember what it is?
45:02
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I just remember because when he runs
45:04
Speaker 3: into– yeah, I don't remember. Yeah.
45:07
Speaker 1: So give credit to Angus because even though he's a
45:09
Speaker 1: loser and a nerd, he's a big kid. So when
45:12
Speaker 1: Rick says something to Troy, Angus' reaction immediately is to
45:17
Speaker 1: fight him, which I love.
45:18
Speaker 3: Yes.
45:18
Speaker 1: He just shoves Rick to the ground so hard.
45:21
Speaker 3: Yes.
45:23
Speaker 1: And– The principal runs over and says, Angus, if I
45:28
Speaker 1: see you fighting again, you're not going to get into
45:30
Speaker 1: Jefferson because I will suspend you. If I see you
45:33
Speaker 1: do that to any other kid again, I will suspend
45:35
Speaker 1: you and you'll blow your whole shot at Jefferson. And
45:38
Speaker 1: then Angus is like, fuck.
45:40
Speaker 3: And worse news. again, just cause he did a good
45:44
Speaker 3: job with this part. You just see Vanderbeek's face and
45:47
Speaker 3: you're like, Oh, now he knows he has something on Angus.
45:51
Speaker 3: He can do something to Angus.
45:52
Speaker 1: Cause that's the thing is Vanderbeek can't really make fun
45:55
Speaker 1: of Troy and Angus. Like he can to a point,
45:59
Speaker 1: but he knows that if he crosses the line, Angus
46:01
Speaker 1: will just kick his ass. So now he knows, Oh,
46:04
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want to Troy and Angus.
46:05
Speaker 1: Cause Angus can't stop me. And Troy certainly can't stop me.
46:09
Speaker 3: It was so rewatching it. Cause I hadn't seen it
46:11
Speaker 3: in a really long time. Like, I remember the ending
46:14
Speaker 3: of this so much, but like, I was like, Oh,
46:17
Speaker 3: this movie from the beginning has shown you that Angus
46:19
Speaker 3: is just physically stronger than Troy throughout the entire movie.
46:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:23
Speaker 3: So it's like, you mean Rick? I'm sorry, Rick, excuse me. Yeah.
46:27
Speaker 3: It's stronger than Rick. So you're like, well, how does Rick?
46:30
Speaker 3: And I was like, how does Rick become like a
46:33
Speaker 3: threat to him? And then this is why. And also
46:35
Speaker 3: the movie is doing a great job of telling you
46:37
Speaker 3: that the physical, you know, intimidation and shit is not real.
46:46
Speaker 3: It's not power.
46:47
Speaker 1: It's not real power. You're exactly right. Grandpa every day
46:51
Speaker 1: goes to the park outside and plays chess with a
46:53
Speaker 1: random man, and this random man in real life that
46:57
Speaker 1: Grandpa plays chess with directed The Empire Strikes Back.
47:00
Speaker 3: Yep. His name is Irvin Kershner.
47:02
Speaker 1: How did he direct The Empire Strikes Back, and how
47:04
Speaker 1: did he never really direct a big movie ever again?
47:08
Speaker 3: I'm not sure you want to ask this question, but he.
47:13
Speaker 3: Also, I think we talked about it when we did
47:16
Speaker 3: Star Wars. So Irvin Kershner was a professor at USC
47:21
Speaker 3: where George Lucas went. And when George Lucas made Empire
47:25
Speaker 3: Strikes Back, obviously Star Wars had exploded and become a
47:28
Speaker 3: massive hit. Lucas, instead of... What would usually happen is
47:32
Speaker 3: the company who made Star Wars, like, let's make a
47:34
Speaker 3: second one. You do it, whatever. Lucas wanted control over it.
47:39
Speaker 3: So he's like, I will finance it with the money
47:42
Speaker 3: I made. You guys just release it. Because Lucas had
47:45
Speaker 3: that control and he had to produce the movie and
47:47
Speaker 3: do all this stuff, he said he couldn't direct the movie.
47:51
Speaker 3: And he had to hire somebody he trusted. And he
47:53
Speaker 3: trusted this guy who was his teacher. So Kirshner came
47:56
Speaker 3: in and kirshner did a lot of things that if
48:00
Speaker 3: you read about look up watch interviews that are what
48:03
Speaker 3: make empire great yeah.
48:06
Speaker 1: Yeah but how did he not get anything big ever
48:08
Speaker 1: again it was just because like oh he's a nobody
48:10
Speaker 1: he was just a teacher at usc.
48:12
Speaker 3: I think i mean because he became like he did
48:14
Speaker 3: robocop too he did i think i think he did
48:16
Speaker 3: one of the james bond movies i just think because
48:19
Speaker 3: star wars was so not seen as Irvin Kershner directed
48:23
Speaker 3: this movie or like Richard Marquand. It was George Lucas's baby.
48:27
Speaker 3: So I just never thought these guys were given credit
48:30
Speaker 3: for anything that they were doing as directors. My opinion.
48:33
Speaker 3: Got it.
48:34
Speaker 1: Got it. So every day Grandpa plays chess with Irvin
48:37
Speaker 1: Kershner in the park. And Grandpa says, Angus, will you
48:41
Speaker 1: talk to this Melissa girl before I die, please? And
48:43
Speaker 1: Angus says, I just can't, Grandpa. It's not possible. And
48:46
Speaker 1: Grandpa says, Angus, live by these words. Screw them. Who
48:50
Speaker 1: cares what they think? And I think that this movie
48:53
Speaker 1: really accurately captures the anxiety of, like, you know, there's
48:57
Speaker 1: so many things that I was just terrified to do,
49:00
Speaker 1: not being an adult and not having life experience. Asking
49:03
Speaker 1: out a girl in high school, terrifying. Even, like, you know,
49:08
Speaker 1: if my dad, we were at a restaurant, my dad
49:09
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, can you go up to the
49:11
Speaker 1: counter and ask for to-go boxes? That would just seem
49:14
Speaker 1: overwhelming to me. It's just like talking to an adult.
49:17
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. Like, what if
49:19
Speaker 1: I look stupid? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's
49:23
Speaker 1: almost like you were high all the time. You weren't high,
49:26
Speaker 1: but it's that internal crisis, as Ben calls it, when
49:29
Speaker 1: you're high and you're just like overthinking and overanalyzing everything
49:33
Speaker 1: and worried what everyone else thinks and feeling like you're
49:35
Speaker 1: not knowing what you're doing. That's what being a teenager is.
49:38
Speaker 3: All the insecurities at the forefront. That's the number one
49:41
Speaker 3: thing you're thinking about. Yeah.
49:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if I saw a hot girl and I mean,
49:46
Speaker 1: I would, it would be better if I like knew
49:48
Speaker 1: her and had some sort of relationship with her. But
49:50
Speaker 1: if I was single, obviously I wouldn't have a problem
49:53
Speaker 1: with asking her out. And what's the worst thing that happens?
49:55
Speaker 1: You get rejected. Okay. I've been rejected plenty of times.
49:59
Speaker 1: It's not scary to me anymore, but at age 14, 16,
50:04
Speaker 1: my God, there was nothing scarier.
50:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. it's life is over. But I, I love
50:09
Speaker 3: the line here with the grandfather where, when he's talking
50:13
Speaker 3: about this idea and he's like, I'm just, I'm just
50:16
Speaker 3: the fat kid who's good at science. And then he says,
50:19
Speaker 3: aren't you're not the fat kid who's good at football.
50:22
Speaker 3: And it's this weird thing of like, it sounds like
50:24
Speaker 3: he's like doubling down the insult, but he's also saying
50:28
Speaker 3: to the, like, there's more to you than just that,
50:30
Speaker 3: even though it's the same thing. Yeah.
50:32
Speaker 1: And, and grandpa always says, also says you're not fat.
50:35
Speaker 1: You come from big people. You know, you're not not
50:38
Speaker 1: normal just because you're big. I'm big and I'm normal.
50:40
Speaker 1: And Angus says, you are not normal, Grandpa. And Angus
50:46
Speaker 1: has a reminder multiple times a day. Grandpa, you have
50:49
Speaker 1: to take your pill because Grandpa, he's falling asleep. He
50:52
Speaker 1: doesn't remember when to take his pill. So Angus has
50:55
Speaker 1: got to remind him. And I think, yeah, we'll end
51:00
Speaker 1: with basically this whole sequence. We'll end part one.
51:05
Speaker 2: Okay.
51:06
Speaker 1: I'm going to plug my computer in. This is a
51:10
Speaker 1: perfect high school moment. They're in the auditorium again for
51:14
Speaker 1: a pep rally, and it shows an overhead of the crowd.
51:19
Speaker 1: Every single person in the auditorium is wearing blue, and
51:23
Speaker 1: Angus is wearing red. And Troy goes, didn't you see
51:26
Speaker 1: all the flyers? This was school spirit day. You had
51:29
Speaker 1: to wear blue. And Angus goes, nobody reads those. And
51:33
Speaker 1: Troy's like, apparently everyone does but you. And Angus is
51:36
Speaker 1: just red and sweating. And I think that I would,
51:40
Speaker 1: if like, if there was, there was an event where
51:43
Speaker 1: it was for like breast cancer awareness for work. And
51:46
Speaker 1: I just did not get the memo that you had
51:48
Speaker 1: to wear pink. Now, like, okay, that sounds obvious because
51:50
Speaker 1: it was for breast cancer awareness, pink ribbon. But I
51:53
Speaker 1: showed up and I wasn't wearing pink. And I was like, oh,
51:56
Speaker 1: what an idiot. But I didn't, I moved right along.
51:59
Speaker 1: In high school, this would be a nightmare if.
52:02
Speaker 3: This happened to you. When they cut to that shot
52:05
Speaker 3: of the crowd from above, and because, of course, he
52:07
Speaker 3: is so much larger than everybody else. And I was like,
52:09
Speaker 3: just leave. Just get out. Just get out of the room.
52:12
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you doing? Yeah. Oh, my God.
52:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I remember because I went to Marion and
52:18
Speaker 1: we had school uniforms and you could pay. I think
52:20
Speaker 1: you had to pay money. It was like $ 10 for
52:23
Speaker 1: like a fundraiser for a dance or something. But they
52:25
Speaker 1: would have random dress down days. Or they would have
52:30
Speaker 1: theme days. Like I remember we had a 70s day
52:32
Speaker 1: and you dressed like it was the 70s or something. Oh, wow.
52:35
Speaker 3: OK.
52:35
Speaker 1: Or you could just do a normal dress down day.
52:37
Speaker 1: They would have them like once a month. And I
52:39
Speaker 1: remember every day just having that paranoid teenage anxiety of
52:43
Speaker 1: I'm in dress down day clothes. And obviously I had
52:46
Speaker 1: thought so much about what I was going to wear
52:48
Speaker 1: and what message I wanted to send with my outfit choice.
52:51
Speaker 1: Overthought it horribly. But now we're on the way to
52:53
Speaker 1: school and I'm like, what if it's not dress down day?
52:56
Speaker 1: What if I– thought it was today but it's not
53:00
Speaker 1: and i'm gonna be dropped off and my mom's gonna
53:02
Speaker 1: leave and i don't have a cell phone and i'm
53:05
Speaker 1: just gonna be at school not in my uniform and
53:07
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna think i'm a fucking idiot like i would
53:11
Speaker 1: have these paranoid thoughts just being a teenager.
53:14
Speaker 3: Again insecurity to the forefront yeah it's all there.
53:18
Speaker 1: Yep and i you know andy said in my best
53:22
Speaker 1: man speech that he was like astonished by me in
53:25
Speaker 1: high school because i didn't care what people thought And
53:27
Speaker 1: that definitely is not true. I was probably better on
53:30
Speaker 1: the spectrum than most kids. But I remember at the
53:33
Speaker 1: end of senior year, after a certain date, seniors didn't
53:38
Speaker 1: have to wear uniforms anymore.
53:39
Speaker 3: Oh, really?
53:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was like two weeks before graduation or
53:44
Speaker 1: something like that. So when that happened, I did wear
53:48
Speaker 1: my uniform. I continued to wear my uniform, but I
53:50
Speaker 1: cut the sleeves off my uniform. So, um, that, that's
53:55
Speaker 1: an example of me just like not giving a shit really. But, uh, yeah,
54:00
Speaker 1: not when I was a freshman, for sure. When I
54:02
Speaker 1: was a freshman, it was terrifying, especially cause going to Marion,
54:06
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone like a lot of these kids
54:09
Speaker 1: in high school. You went to high school and you
54:11
Speaker 1: had friends, right?
54:13
Speaker 3: And I mean, middle school and freshman year of high
54:16
Speaker 3: school were both brand new schools.
54:19
Speaker 1: New, new buddy, you know, new, but you know, new buddy,
54:22
Speaker 1: you knew nobody.
54:24
Speaker 3: For sixth grade went to a whole new school didn't
54:26
Speaker 3: know a single person in my class and then freshman
54:29
Speaker 3: year of high school i knew two kids but you
54:32
Speaker 3: were separated into clusters in high school in different groups
54:36
Speaker 3: and they were of course day one immediately ripped away
54:40
Speaker 3: and it was all different people.
54:41
Speaker 1: Yeah i also knew two kids but they were not
54:44
Speaker 1: my friends at all and um because a lot of
54:47
Speaker 1: these kids too like okay i went to catholics like
54:50
Speaker 1: andy he went to catholic school his whole uh, wife
54:53
Speaker 1: or no, no, I've been to a certain point, but
54:55
Speaker 1: he went to St. Bridget's and then St. Bridget's kids
54:58
Speaker 1: would go to Marion. So he went to Marion with
55:01
Speaker 1: a ton of kids that he knew. My first day
55:03
Speaker 1: of freshman year at Marion, it was like the first
55:05
Speaker 1: day of prison. We go into the cafeteria and I
55:08
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone, didn't know where to sit, was terrified
55:11
Speaker 1: about where to sit. Uh, just hell, hell on earth,
55:15
Speaker 1: complete like panic attack, hit my stomach.
55:18
Speaker 3: Absolutely scary. Yeah. Same feeling here. Absolutely. Yep.
55:22
Speaker 1: Yep. So anyways, they are having an assembly, and there's
55:26
Speaker 1: a very hot girl who I recognize, but I don't
55:28
Speaker 1: remember from what. Do you recognize her, the recycling girl?
55:32
Speaker 3: She did look very familiar. I got to look her up.
55:36
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah.
55:38
Speaker 1: But she's just like a– she's dressed as a recycling bin,
55:44
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a– She's not in Gaudi. She's
55:48
Speaker 1: not in Gaudi.
55:49
Speaker 3: I was open to a computer to Gaudi, yeah.
55:51
Speaker 1: Recycling Girl is Lindsay Price. Let me look her up.
55:54
Speaker 1: I definitely recognize her face. Lindsay Price. She was in.
56:00
Speaker 3: I.
56:03
Speaker 1: Don't know any of these movies. Recently she's been in Black-ish,
56:06
Speaker 1: Two and a Half Men, Hawaii Five-O, CSI. So she
56:12
Speaker 1: must have been in something at some point. A lot
56:15
Speaker 1: of TV shows. Club Dread.
56:17
Speaker 3: Oh, Club Dread. Okay.
56:18
Speaker 1: She was in Beverly Hills 90210. Oh, I think that's
56:23
Speaker 1: what I recognized her from. She was in 71 episodes
56:25
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills 90210. Anywho. So she's wearing white spandex
56:32
Speaker 1: and looks really good. And Troy whispers to Angus, I'm
56:36
Speaker 1: getting a boner. And Angus looks at him like, what
56:39
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Why would you tell me that?
56:44
Speaker 1: And the principal comes up and says, we will now
56:48
Speaker 1: announce the votes are in. We are now announcing the
56:51
Speaker 1: winner of the winter ball king and queen vote and
56:55
Speaker 1: to announce the queen will be the captain of the
56:57
Speaker 1: football team rick sanford and rick comes up and he
57:01
Speaker 1: gives some cheesy speech he's like i'm so happy that
57:04
Speaker 1: we're starting our high school career we're meeting new friends
57:07
Speaker 1: and you know starting our adult lives and then troy
57:10
Speaker 1: just goes i appreciated that And Rick goes, the homecoming
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Speaker 1: or winter ball queen is, not a surprise, Melissa Lefevre.
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Speaker 1: So Melissa Lefevre comes up and accepts the win, I guess.
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Speaker 1: And they have a girl come up to announce the king.
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Speaker 1: And Troy and Angus are in the crowd. And they go,
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Speaker 1: don't have it be Rick. Don't have it be Rick.
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Speaker 1: Don't have it be Rick. And the girl opens the
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Speaker 1: envelope and says the Winter Ball King is... Ryan?
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Speaker 3: Angus Bethune?
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Speaker 1: And then everyone is in complete stunned silence. Everyone in
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Speaker 1: the cafeteria turns and stares directly at Angus. And then
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Speaker 1: Troy yells out, Holy shit!
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Speaker 3: I also love... He does this shocked face the whole movie,
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Speaker 3: and I just think it's funny every time.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah and the principal starts to clap but no
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Speaker 1: one else does so he awkwardly stops clapping he doesn't
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Speaker 1: understand like this is clearly some sort of prank and
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Speaker 1: then Troy being Troy being the absolute man he goes
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Speaker 1: and pulls the fire.
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Speaker 3: Alarm such a wonderful move I love when the principal
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Speaker 3: is clapping the girl just shakes her head for him
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Speaker 3: to stop like you said you don't get this no
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Speaker 3: wonderful like Troy is a god that's what I wrote
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Speaker 3: my only note on that was that yeah.
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Speaker 1: And that's where we will leave off. We will continue
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Speaker 1: this in part two. Angus was just elected basically the
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Speaker 1: homecoming king. As a prank, he immediately realizes. And we
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Speaker 1: will continue our Angus conversation and the remainder of the
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Speaker 1: film in part two. Thank you for listening.
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Speaker 3: I also completely forgot this was so early in this movie.