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This Is Weird · Elite Heat

• 00:00.66 Tim And this is episode three of Elite Heat on a Thursday. Here's why. My wedding anniversary happened to fall on Wednesday this year. And ah yeah, and so it was like, well, I should probably like, i don't know, spend it with my wife and not watching wrestling because I enjoy being married slightly more than I enjoy doing this podcast. 00:23.13 Tim Slightly. 00:23.26 Dug Oh, wow. I feel pretty good about things then. 00:24.57 Tim Yeah. Well, you should. You should. 00:27.19 Dug a do. 00:27.93 Tim ah Also, i do think it's worth pointing out, though, that last week when you were like, oh, you know, they're going to be not that far from us. 00:28.04 Dug I do. 00:34.05 Tim And at no point did it enter my mind of like, oh i can't go because it's my anniversary. It was like, yeah, i don't want to drive on a school night. 00:42.68 Dug and Look, both equally acceptable reasons not to go. 00:46.76 Tim My wife is very lucky, clearly. 00:49.30 Dug So lucky. 00:50.94 Tim However, however, it worked out really well because if you go back to, was it the first episode where we talked about Mox dissing you twice? 00:58.62 Dug Yes. 00:59.29 Tim Do you know today is the anniversary of that? 01:01.40 Dug I do know that. i actually, think I messaged you that today. 01:02.33 Tim So we should tell that story. Oh yeah, you're right. You did. That's how I knew it. I mean, I knew it anyway. 01:09.46 Dug I know you did. 01:11.09 Tim I have it. 01:11.13 Dug i know you had that in you. 01:12.76 Tim I have it as a calendar reminder, the anniversary of Doug getting dissed by mocks twice, but any who, well, I guess we could just start with that. 01:15.00 Dug more 01:18.72 Dug Twice. Yeah. 01:21.78 Tim So if you go on HBO max and you watch the, I guess, December 4th episode from 2019. twenty nineteen Well, they would, they debuted in October, so they were two months in. 01:29.45 Dug I think it was like the second or third Dynamite. It was early, early, early. 01:37.65 Dug did they? 01:38.51 Tim Yeah. 01:38.78 Dug Never mind. 01:40.34 Tim Um, I think what you're thinking of is when they came to town to promote it, it was literally the Thursday after Dynamite debuted. 01:41.21 Dug I don't know math. 01:44.92 Dug That could be it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:49.56 Dug Yes, there we go. 01:50.97 Tim That's what you're thinking of um 01:52.13 Dug Yep. Yes, it does. 01:53.66 Tim but um So you and I and two friends of mine were ringside. And if you go watch it on HBO Max, the camera runs right up to us at the start of the show and freezes on us, like holds the the shot on us. 02:05.50 Dug Yes, it does. Mm-hmm. yes it 02:08.86 Tim Mox, when he came by, you know, people stick their hands out, whatever, right? he He fist bumped me twice and just completely skipped over you each time. 02:19.83 Dug Yeah, he did. He sure did. He didn't even look at me. it wasn't 02:23.00 Tim No, he didn't. 02:24.02 Dug It wasn't like he sized me up and went, meh. I didn't even get a dismissive glance. It was just, oh, Tim's here. 02:29.97 Tim Yeah. 02:32.92 Dug Boom, bada bing. Huh? That was it. 02:35.51 Tim i remember I remember turning to you, Doug, and going, what did you do to piss him off? 02:40.95 Dug I don't know. I don't know. 02:42.49 Tim Clearly something. 02:43.90 Dug I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe is what I said. Ambrose! And he got. 02:48.25 Tim Oh, that might have done it. Yeah, I might have done it. 02:49.61 Dug That might have done. 02:50.49 Tim You know what I think it is? 02:50.65 Dug Yeah. 02:51.45 Tim I think it's that you don't bleed enough. 02:54.69 Dug Wow. He sets such a high bar for that, 02:57.56 Tim I know, but you might want to consider it. I'm just saying. 03:00.24 Dug Okay. All right. 03:00.98 Tim All right. With that, let's get into the episode. um I liked... 03:03.50 Dug Let's do it. 03:04.50 Tim go What? 03:05.66 Dug Let's do it. 03:06.64 Tim Oh, I don't know why I stopped for that. I should have known better. I liked the Joe and Eddie promo to open because you got two of the best talkers in the game doing what they do. 03:16.95 Dug Absolutely. That was cool. 03:17.85 Tim And an absolute banger of an Eddie promo. 03:21.30 Dug I love him. i love him so much. 03:22.49 Tim I do too. 03:25.14 Dug So much. And I don't remember exactly what his outline was, but it was so good. Oh yeah. He'll just go, I'll eat you alive. Boom. and I'm out. 03:35.29 Tim Yep. 03:35.58 Dug Love it. Love it. 03:36.52 Tim And kudos to Joe also for just kind of standing there like, I don't know what to do with that because I might have bit off more than I can chew here. 03:42.50 Dug Yeah. 03:44.37 Tim Like, he gives you – look, i'm I'm under no pretenses that Eddie Kingston is going to beat him for the title next week. 03:51.90 Dug No, no, he is not. 03:53.66 Tim But I appreciate that they're trying to build the drama of it. 03:57.59 Dug Yeah, because you're always going to know Eddie's going to go in there and he's going to fight like mad and he's going to look respectable and he's going to look good. 03:58.14 Tim You know, I'm on board with that. Mm-hmm. 04:09.59 Tim I would like, uh, it doesn't have to be a long one, but I would like to someday see Eddie get the title, even if it's just a short run, it'd be fine. 04:09.76 Dug And that 04:16.28 Dug Now, i I did find it interesting because which title was it that he did get? Because he did carry an AEW title. 04:23.58 Tim So he had, ah he had the ROH world championship, which is unfortunately, 04:27.74 Dug Right. 04:31.18 Dug Meh. 04:31.26 Tim Not what it used to be right now. 04:31.38 Dug Yeah. 04:32.82 Tim But um but he also, he had the he had the Continental title. 04:33.62 Dug Right. 04:38.33 Dug Yes. And Joe made it seem like he never won a big one. 04:39.16 Tim Because... 04:41.97 Dug And it's like, well, he did carry the Continental title. 04:43.67 Tim Yeah, I had the same thought. i was like, well, that's just not true. Because they were there was the whole modern Triple Crown thing, right? 04:47.57 Dug I 04:50.51 Tim Because it was, he put the ROH title, the Continental, or maybe it was for the Continental and he had the... Did he have the International 05:02.10 Dug i don't remember. 05:02.23 Tim or am i or Or was that the tournament for... 05:03.77 Dug I don't think. 05:04.23 Tim I don't remember. 05:05.75 Dug But he had he had the continental title or whatever it is called. 05:08.47 Tim Yeah, he he was a double champion. 05:10.81 Dug Yeah. 05:10.84 Tim I mean, he had at least two belts there for a minute, so 05:13.78 Dug Absolutely. And so I was like, Joe, I mean. That story doesn't really make a lot of sense, but okay. I mean, continue with it. That's fine. 05:22.00 Tim Yeah, well, I mean, you can always come back and, well, not now because the match is going to be next week. But if they did like a pre-tape promo before the, i because I assume it's the main event, ah with Joe just being like, I dismiss that. 05:34.18 Tim Like, it doesn't matter. It wasn't relevant because you don't matter. 05:36.20 Dug Right. Yeah. 05:37.50 Tim Like, you can you can salvage it if you want. It's also not the worst thing in the world. but 05:41.82 Dug No, but I would, yeah, I would, if I were them, I would just ignore it. But yeah, i loved that I loved, yeah. 05:45.08 Tim Yeah, yeah, yeah. 05:47.35 Dug Joe being the smarmy guy and Eddie just being Eddie. And I loved it. 05:51.16 Tim And then you got the ops promo, which was fine. 05:55.10 Dug Yeah. 05:56.06 Tim i don't, I don't think hook is the best talker 05:56.12 Dug Yeah. 06:02.40 Tim powerhouse. I thought did okay there. What made me laugh though, was them being like, everyone's gunning for these trios has literally no one is literally no one is going after it. 06:10.97 Dug No. 06:13.59 Dug I hate to tell you, if if Dark Order is who you're fighting, no one's coming after you. 06:17.30 Tim No one's going. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 06:20.30 Dug Don't get me wrong. Love seeing Dark Order... Dark Order? New tag team. I love seeing Dark Order on Dynamite. But again, no way they were winning that match. 06:33.18 Tim No, no. 06:33.72 Dug No way. No way. 06:34.81 Tim I wrote down when they were doing the backstage. I wrote down more Dark Order, please. 06:40.86 Dug Absolutely. 06:42.49 Tim But again, nobody thought they were winning that match. 06:46.42 Dug No, I, did I did like the tip of the hat with hangman coming back and them going, wait a minute. 06:47.26 Tim Nobody thought that. 06:52.71 Tim Mm-hmm. 06:56.25 Dug You don't, we love you. We know you want his blood. You gotta let us win or lose this on our own. And then you can do whatever you want. That was, I liked that callback to their relationship. 07:05.53 Tim Yeah, don't don't blow this for us. Yeah. 07:10.97 Dug That was good. 07:12.57 Tim agree. agree. I liked that. um Then we got Okada and Pac in the Continental Classic. 07:19.05 Dug Man, this card was so stacked. It was crazy. 07:23.63 Tim Mm-hmm. 07:24.94 Dug i watched I watched that match a second time because I was like, i I need to see this again because there were so many what could have been almost at least pay-per-view co-main events. 07:37.61 Dug I mean, my gosh, Okada and Pac, give me a break. 07:38.34 Tim Yeah. 07:40.53 Dug That was ridiculous. Ridiculous. 07:42.07 Tim Yeah. I mean, they, they loaded the continental classic. 07:46.20 Dug Yes, they did. 07:46.42 Tim No doubt about that. 07:47.35 Dug Yes, they did. 07:48.44 Tim Um, I thought it was a really good match. I love this version of Okada. 07:53.14 Dug Yeah. 07:53.78 Tim I, I just, I love what he's doing right now. He's genuinely funny, but still out there merking people. 07:57.91 Dug Mm-hmm. Yeah. 08:01.30 Tim Um, yeah, I mean, he is, 08:03.73 Dug But But i I like how he won, but they're they're painting him not just as physically dominant, but he's he's cagey. He's the guy that's going to squeak by and win because he's smart and he's a tournament wrestler. And so they really did a good job of building that that narrative up and playing that story out during this match. I thought it was really well done. 08:27.38 Tim I agree. i agree. I thought they did a really good job with that. Here's where here's where I get a little nitpicky. Again, I admit it. I don't love when any wrestler does the, I'm going to bounce off the ropes a bunch of times because they're gaining momentum. Like every time I saw Roman Reigns do it I was like, what are you what do you doing, dude? Because it would work better if you start slow and then actually speed up. But instead, what I am watching you do is slow down when you hit the rope and speed back up. 08:55.70 Dug m 08:57.69 Tim I loved that Okada drop kicked him out of it, though. 08:57.75 Dug I... 09:00.66 Dug That was... I like... 09:01.56 Tim i thought that was great. 09:02.78 Dug how he finally hit it, but he had to try like three or four times. That's, I thought that was really good. 09:06.33 Tim Yes. Yeah. 09:08.22 Dug And I do think I'll slightly argue. I think pack does a good job of making it look like he does get faster coming off those ropes, but. 09:16.02 Tim So the first time he did it, I thought so, too. But watching it... So I watched it tonight on a Thursday. 09:22.07 Dug Right. 09:23.61 Tim Watching it tonight... I could see him have to take the hesitation when he hit the ropes. 09:31.03 Dug Okay. 09:31.74 Tim You know what I mean? 09:31.78 Dug That's fair. 09:32.42 Tim And so like, it's, it's one thing if you can build it in the first time he did it, I thought he did. 09:32.70 Dug and 09:38.62 Tim And I don't know if it's a camera angle thing where they just had the wrong angle on it tonight, or I don't know, we got a new fire stick that streams better. Maybe that's the problem. I don't know. I don't know. 09:49.78 Tim But I just don't love that. And it and it feels a little cartoony 80s to me. 09:58.49 Dug Okay. 09:58.97 Tim um 09:59.17 Dug That's 10:00.66 Tim Again, i fully recognize I'm being very, very nitpicky right now. 10:07.67 Dug And that's fine, because with a match that good, with a match that good, though, I mean, that's really all you can do. 10:10.14 Tim Good, because as I'm going to keep doing it. 10:14.89 Dug and 10:15.19 Tim yeah 10:16.02 Dug But and even with that being said, I do think the way they played it out was about the only way to make that believable and and work well, even within the context of this match. I thought it was well done. Okada rolls out for first time, just completely bails on it, dropkicks him out of the second time, and then the third time he's finally able to just clock him. 10:26.26 Tim I agree. 10:33.61 Dug So, like that. 10:34.00 Tim Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. i agree. It was good match. 10:36.88 Dug By the way, does Pac look huge lately? My God. 10:40.63 Tim He, yeah, I don't know if he bulked up or if it's like, I don't know how, how this would make him look bigger, but the only other thing I could think of is he switched to the singlet and I was like, does that somehow make him look bigger? 10:49.91 Dug I don't... Maybe, but he just looks enormous. 10:55.86 Tim Yeah, I think i think he bulked, which, you know, Swerve bulked up too. 11:00.76 Dug Yeah, he, yeah, Swerve is up. 11:01.24 Tim So, yeah. 11:02.40 Dug Yeah, he looks good too. 11:03.41 Tim you know i mean 11:03.91 Dug But man, Pac looks amazing. Looks amazing. 11:06.26 Tim Yeah. Yeah. um I have bulked up as well in a very, very different way. 11:10.74 Dug Me too. Yes. Samesies. Samesies. 11:14.81 Tim Yeah. 11:15.38 Dug um i did like like I did like the finish. I like the the, you know, kind of skin of his teeth way he wants. 11:22.58 Tim Mm-hmm. 11:22.91 Dug So yeah, hats off. That was that was a well-played match. I liked it. 11:25.75 Tim I do think they're doing a nice job of saying, look, Okada is the greatest tournament wrestler ever, but he might not make it out of this. 11:34.42 Dug Right. 11:34.46 Tim Like they're giving you that those seeds of doubt, which I like. 11:34.79 Dug 100%. one hundred percent Yeah. 11:40.82 Tim Um, pro promo heavy show, which is probably fine, but, um, the Briscoe promo, I thought you look, it's, it's Martin Briscoe. 11:44.02 Dug A little bit. here right 11:49.57 Tim I'm never going to have a problem with that. I'll tell you what I do want. I want an, uh, an international ass whooping t-shirt. I thought that was funny when he said it's going to be an international ass whooping. 11:58.04 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 12:00.46 Tim I'd buy that. 12:00.70 Dug I'll take one of those, please. Thank you. 12:02.10 Tim Yeah, but that was fine. 12:02.38 Dug I'll take that. Mm-hmm. 12:05.11 Tim I, you know, notes, whatever. Uh, then we went to the ricochet promo might have been his best in AEW. I genuinely mean that. might That might've been his best promo in AEW. 12:16.41 Dug He is getting, he is gaining some momentum and I think he's finally like figuring out that character and how that character presents and it's, it's working and that was a good one. 12:18.70 Tim Mm-hmm. 12:27.62 Dug I liked it. 12:28.44 Tim Yeah, I liked him doing the I'm going to do charity work. I thought that was fun. I thought that was a good line. i thought that was good line. um Conglomeration promo followed after that. i thought it was a little weird to split that. 12:39.70 Tim i get the Briscoe one by itself, and then you come you do another one, and then you kind of come back to him. 12:42.06 Dug Yeah. 12:44.46 Tim thought that was a little bit weird in terms of the layout of the show. 12:48.15 Dug Yeah. 12:48.47 Tim um Even with Mark Briscoe, I only thought that one was okay. Yeah. 12:54.20 Dug Well, it, yeah, with, um I want to call him Kyle O'Reilly, but that's not his name. 13:00.38 Tim No, Roderick Strong. 13:01.54 Dug Roderick Strong. I constantly get them in in my head good confused, but Roderick Strong, it's, He's another one of those guys that, yeah, he's he's good. 13:10.58 Tim Yeah. 13:10.65 Dug he doesn't have much of a personality and he seems to be lacking, you know, without without his his cohorts and his running mates. 13:12.69 Tim Nope. 13:19.37 Dug But 13:20.54 Tim Yeah. 13:22.04 Dug i knew 13:22.10 Tim i'm I'm also a little bit over the whole, like, I'm not part of the conglomeration thing. Then okay, then don't be. 13:28.41 Dug Yeah, then why are you standing around with them? 13:30.36 Tim Yeah, why are you hanging out with them? Then just don't be. 13:32.92 Dug I did ah did like Orange's response. I don't think he saw me here. 13:36.82 Tim That was great. I actually wrote down that Orange Cassidy saved it with that line. 13:40.63 Dug He did. 13:40.70 Tim I thought that was tremendous. 13:42.46 Dug And Renee's like, you were standing right there. So good. 13:46.84 Tim I would watch a 30-minute TV show of Orange Cassidy and Renee. 13:52.08 Dug Oh, yeah, so good. 13:52.25 Tim They are great. Yeah. 13:54.14 Dug So good. So good. 13:56.34 Tim So then they went to that at hospital footage of Darby. 13:59.84 Dug Mm-hmm. 14:00.95 Tim What do you make of that? 14:04.34 Dug I don't know. Like, I don't know. 14:05.98 Tim Neither do I. 14:07.00 Dug I don't like the only thing I can think of is he is something happened. 14:07.03 Tim but 14:13.07 Dug And during a cursory like medical checkup that they found something else. And that's why he's in the hospital. And they're just being super cautious or it's some weird elaborate work. 14:24.90 Dug And that's footage from when he was in the hospital previously. I don't know. 14:29.27 Tim So... Yeah, so I think it's some sort of work. I don't think that that's a real hospital that he was in. Because I don't know how you shoot that in a hospital. 14:36.75 Dug That's fair. Mm-hmm. 14:40.15 Tim You know what I mean? Like, I think it was kind of supposed to be like, 14:45.62 Dug Security footage, almost. 14:46.46 Tim Yeah, like security cam footage, but it but it also was sort of cell phone video, and I don't, I didn't understand it. I think it's a weird, elaborate work. I think you described that very well. 14:57.56 Tim I just have no idea where we're going with it. Either it's a, or or maybe it's it's a ah combination, right? Where like, it's what you said of, ah he did get dinged in the first match, which wouldn't surprise me, um you know, in that match last week. 15:12.92 Dug Right. 15:16.28 Tim And now he can't go, so they got to figure out how to write him out of it to keep the tournament going. Or i don't know. i don't I don't understand where we're going with that. 15:25.34 Dug No, I don't. I don't know. 15:27.96 Tim I guess we'll see, but I don't. 15:29.24 Dug Yeah, I felt it was weird. 15:32.15 Tim It might also be a, this just popped into my head. It might be a way to help explain him losing. Cause I, I don't, he's another one that I'm like, well, he's not making it to semi-final. 15:43.54 Dug No. 15:44.15 Tim I don't think I, you know, cause isn't he in the same league with Okada and Fletcher? 15:45.48 Dug No. 15:51.03 Tim Do I have that right? 15:52.73 Dug ah Possibly, yeah. 15:54.69 Tim Cause if he is and he's not making it to the semi-final. 15:56.76 Dug No, he's not going to make it, no. 15:58.26 Tim So that might be part of it to explain that out. I don't, I don't know. I guess we'll see. 16:03.26 Dug Yeah. But the some of those coffin drops on, they look horrendous. So I don't know how he doesn't have permanent whiplash and just constant CT. 16:08.86 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 16:12.28 Tim I, I, Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like I said before, not going to be able to walk by the time he's 45. And so it wouldn't surprise me if they come back with like, oh, no, no, it's legit. 16:19.70 Dug Yeah. 16:23.80 Tim He's hurt. But I also feel like, again, sitting here on the day after the show, I feel like that would be out there, right? Like the dirt sheets would be going, well, there's rumblings that this is a shoot thing. 16:31.72 Dug Yeah. 16:35.66 Tim And we haven't seen, at least I haven't seen that. So. 16:38.65 Dug Well, what makes me think it isn't is I did see one headline that says Darby Allen legitimately hurt. I'm like, okay, that's makes me think he's not. 16:45.82 Tim Okay. let Let me line be real with you. I spend most of my time when I'm supposed to be working reading wrestling dirt sheet rumors. I didn't see it today. So. 16:56.18 Dug I saw it somewhere. I thought it was today. I think it was today. It was one of those where get in my feed and it scroll and I scrolled by it. 16:59.77 Tim Okay. I mean, I might have just missed it. 17:02.95 Dug I didn't click on it. 17:03.38 Tim Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. We'll see where they go. 17:07.34 Dug Yep. 17:07.94 Tim After that, we got Kevin Knight, your boy, and Kyle Fletcher. 17:12.60 Dug that was That was a hell of a match. 17:12.76 Tim God, Kevin Knight's good. 17:15.49 Dug That was so good front to back. 17:15.70 Tim It was. 17:18.78 Dug Man, that was great. Kevin Knight, he is... You know how they used to talk about the four pillars? He is one of the new, potentially the new pillar. And you can stack him up there with Kyle Fletcher because those two... 17:28.92 Tim Yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah Yeah. 17:32.66 Dug you talk you know You mentioned the other day, you give that right into my veins. ah Yep, I'll take that match over and over again. 17:37.74 Tim Mm hmm. 17:39.14 Dug i He's good. So good. so 17:41.78 Tim Yeah, they were great. And I'm glad you got to see him do that coast to coast after you couldn't see it. 17:46.79 Dug Okay, that was my nitpick. 17:48.82 Tim Okay, hit me. 17:50.04 Dug That angle that they shot it at was garbage. 17:53.30 Tim Yeah. 17:53.91 Dug You can't see how far he's going when you're shooting from the point of view of the corner. 17:56.06 Tim Yeah. 17:58.58 Dug tea Come on. 18:00.25 Tim I agree with you on that. I think that that AEW still has production issues. 18:04.82 Dug They 100% do. 18:05.05 Tim Like, they're They're not always shooting it right. They have a lot of audio issues. And i don't know i don't know what's going on there, and I don't know how you get that fixed. but i So I agree with you on that standpoint. 18:18.87 Tim I think part of why they shot it that way is that was how they shot it the week before when he launched and and how I was telling you that like my jaw was on the floor. like It broke my brain because you could see from that angle how high he got. 18:34.42 Dug okay yeah 18:34.58 Tim And like I said, he... i don't I still don't know how to describe it. He pulled his legs up and then kicked him out. 18:41.14 Dug Oh, yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying. Yeah. 18:42.52 Tim Yeah. And it was just like, it was mind-blowing to me. And I think they were trying to do that again. And I don't think that he launched as well as he did the week before. 18:53.69 Tim in in and um 18:53.72 Dug i he He got there, but he did not overshoot like you described last week. 18:56.09 Tim Oh, yeah, he got there. I mean, the way he did it last week, I legitimately was like, oh my God, this guy could literally jump ring post to ring post, and I think he could do it easily the way it looked last week. 19:03.48 Dug You pounced. 19:09.53 Tim I think they were trying to reproduce that, and it just didn't come together that way. But I agree with you. 19:14.25 Dug That's fair. 19:15.17 Tim i would rather you do the hard cam shot and let us see how far he goes. 19:18.42 Dug Yes. Or at least bring it around some so we can see that distance better because it was a little difficult to even see him from there. 19:21.18 Tim Yeah. 19:24.50 Dug So it it was a great move. 19:25.38 Tim Mm-hmm. 19:27.45 Dug I thought it was shot terribly. 19:28.92 Tim I don't disagree. I don't disagree with you on that. I didn't think it in the moment, but I i get it. 19:35.16 Dug I kept waiting because I'm like, okay, they're setting it up, setting up and they're going move to the other cam. And then they didn't. 19:39.42 Tim Yeah. 19:39.98 Dug I was like, are you kidding? 19:41.43 Tim Yeah. 19:41.50 Dug All right. one 19:42.27 Tim Now that you mention it, I'm with you. They should switch to the hard cam on that. I think part of them are a little bit afraid of if he doesn't make it, it's going to be harder to cover it on the hard cam shot than that corner shot. 19:54.52 Tim But I think he's proven he's going to make it. Yeah. 19:58.76 Dug He's going to him he's going to make contact one way or the other. 20:00.70 Tim Yeah, he's going to get there. Like, it's, i don't think you need to worry about it. 20:04.54 Dug no 20:04.76 Tim How do you feel about the brain buster for the finish for Kyle Fletcher? For the finisher? 20:10.84 Dug I thought in the moment it it felt pretty good. I don't know if I want to see him continue to use that as his main finisher, but I thought it looked, it looked good because it was clearly out of, you know, he was clearly frustrated that he couldn't keep his, his shoulders pinned. And so I think he got them with a, with a power bomb and then did the brain buster. And so I was, I was okay with it. Then i don't, like I said, I don't know if I want to see that be as permanent finisher. 20:40.38 Tim That seems to be the sequence, you know, like that's, the that's his two moves of doom to go with seeing as five moves of doom. 20:43.01 Dug Yeah. 20:48.56 Tim Right. 20:48.92 Dug yes Yeah. Yeah. 20:50.30 Tim and And I don't necessarily, i don't hate it if you're going to chain those together because it makes some sense, right? Like you just destroyed this this person's neck. 21:03.03 Dug yeah 21:03.26 Tim um But for a guy that I think is absolutely ticketed to be world champion sooner rather than later, i think it might happen in 2026. 21:12.66 Dug Right. 21:14.79 Tim I think he may win it at some point in there. 21:16.74 Dug Could be. Could be. 21:19.37 Tim I'd maybe like to see you have a little bit better, a little bit more of a convincing finisher, you know? 21:23.96 Dug Okay. 21:25.18 Tim Um, I wouldn't mind if it was a submission move of some sort. 21:25.21 Dug Mm-hmm. 21:29.53 Tim I think he's just big enough that you could, you know, pull off some sort of power move. 21:29.69 Dug Yeah. 21:35.03 Dug Oh, yeah. 21:35.26 Tim Um, I don't know what it is, but you know, for, for a minute there, he was doing it where he would drop them on the turn buckle. And I thought that was probably not sustainable, but it's, 21:45.58 Dug That's no. 21:48.99 Tim devastating to watch you know so i i don't oh yeah so i don't know i just i feel like um i feel like i'd i'd like to see him develop a better finisher but i might be overthinking that i might be overthinking it because look here's the thing if he wins the world title on a sheer drop brain buster i'm not gonna complain about it i'm really not yeah i'm not i mean i'm just gonna go yeah okay you know like 21:51.74 Dug Very cool to see 22:02.10 Dug Okay. 22:10.74 Dug Not my champ. 22:15.48 Dug Brain buster, not my champ. 22:17.69 Tim I mean, I'm going to be fine with it. Let's be real. I'm going to be fine with it. 22:21.30 Dug Exactly. 22:21.41 Tim ah The Don Callis let your nuts drop line was tremendous in that promo that followed. That was tremendous. 22:27.65 Dug But again, production issues. Why are you to have Don Callis get in and then take a break? 22:31.43 Tim Yep. 22:34.90 Dug Right? it Come on. 22:36.66 Tim That, and and I didn't understand why did Don hand the mic to Kyle Fletcher there. 22:38.43 Dug Oh, man. 22:41.94 Dug Because I don't think I don't think they let him know they were going to break. And I think that was, I don't know if that match went long or something, but it felt like Kyle was supposed to talk. 22:54.01 Dug And then someone got in in his ear or he got the signal that, no, we're going to break. You need to fill. And it's like, oh, I think because he started talking and then he didn't break. 23:00.54 Tim So what's that's interesting. Okay. Because i i had yeah I had actually had the opposite thought where I thought they i thought Don thought they already went to commercial. 23:14.81 Dug Oh, oh, maybe. 23:15.51 Tim and And him giving the mic to Kyle was how he was going to help Phil. 23:20.17 Dug That's possible. 23:21.53 Tim But either either way, I think you're right. I think there was a timing issue there. I think you got that. I think you nailed that. 23:26.58 Dug That was, yeah, that was clunky. 23:28.07 Tim was weird. 23:29.88 Dug But yes, let your nuts drop. 23:29.89 Tim was weird. 23:32.44 Dug That was funny. 23:32.82 Tim Good line. I also have, what's that? 23:34.22 Dug Dude's so good. He's so good. He's just good. 23:37.05 Tim He is. He's tremendous. 23:37.90 Dug Yeah. 23:38.47 Tim I also had to laugh on the ah how the the face run in of it all. Like, I love that the Bucks and Jurassic Express are getting absolutely destroyed and Omega doesn't do a single thing. 23:52.32 Tim But as soon as Don does the old wet willy to the eye well, that's a bridge too far, my friend. Like, now we're coming for you. Like, it's always weird. 24:02.58 Dug It was weird. I mean, the the run-ins, like I said, i i love a good run-in and I don't see a lot of really good ones late. 24:12.38 Tim I agree. 24:12.80 Dug Yes, 24:13.27 Tim I agree. a Shout out to Simon Miller again, who, who, if you haven't seen, it I think he does it on his own YouTube channel, not the what culture one. He makes fun of it where he's like the backstage producer and he's like, okay, I need you to look like you just smelled a fart, you know? 24:27.30 Tim And it's like, and then he cuts to what they did and it lines up beautifully. 24:28.22 Dug yes. yes 24:32.48 Tim So I'm sure he'll do something with that of, you know, in his role of you can't appear until they say your name, like the Joe Hendry gimmick. 24:35.69 Dug Yeah, 24:39.51 Tim But anyway, anyway, 24:39.96 Dug yeah exactly. Exactly. So yeah, I, yeah, that, that was clunky and okay. 24:45.69 Tim And it wasn't the only clunky one, but we'll get to that. ah I'm really curious what you thought about timeless love bombs and the mega problems, which I think is an amazing name for that tag team. 24:58.30 Dug I like that name. 24:59.48 Tim I love it. 24:59.64 Dug i like that tag team. 25:02.28 Tim hmm. 25:02.90 Dug I didn't love this match. 25:04.79 Tim Hmm. Okay. 25:06.33 Dug i 25:08.95 Dug And maybe I was a little distracted during the match, but 25:15.26 Dug I don't know. i it just... 25:19.64 Dug I don't know. There was something about it after going through what they did with Blood and Guts, then to have this you know death match that didn't really feel like a death match. 25:33.41 Dug It felt just like kind kind of a hardcore match, and it was it was fine. I'm always going to like Tony. I like everybody involved. it it has nothing to do with the work they put out, but it just didn't... It felt unnecessary. And I understand why they had Tony call for a death match because it shows she's not afraid to meet them on their terms and still beat them. And I get it. 26:00.25 Dug Them going over is fine. i think it's clear now they are going to be the champions, but maybe I'm wrong. Um, I was only, it was, it was fine. 26:11.18 Dug it didn't, I didn't pouch for it, but you know, it was fine. 26:13.59 Tim Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, so for those of you listening and that don't watch this on YouTube, I was vigorously nodding in agreement. I agree with everything you said there. 26:24.66 Tim I have never understood the stipulation from the jump. And we talked about that. I think in the full gear episode, in our first episode of like, I don't understand. i never understood it. 26:34.94 Dug Mm-mm. Mm-mm. 26:35.61 Tim It never made sense to me of, you and I get, I mean, okay. The shoot logic of it, Is I want to extend the tag team tournament, the women's tag team tournament. I want to get these four teams on the full gear card. So fine. We'll have it be the winner gets to pick a stipulation for their match. 26:53.18 Tim Okay, fine. Little weird. Probably could have done one of your all-star eight woman tag teams that used to be Tony's favorite thing before he got onto the money matches. 27:05.14 Dug Wait till we get the all-star four-team money match. There, we're cooking. 27:07.93 Tim Oh, it's it's coming. But you know i mean? Like, you could have had the four faces, and you could have had the four heels, and you could have just done, and then the winning team, the winning eight, or the winning four people, both then got to pick stipulations, because I thought it was weird that only one team gets to pick it. 27:23.67 Dug Yep. 27:23.70 Tim I agree with you that i i i I get the logic of, like you said, we'll meet you on your territory. We're not afraid of you. But also, like, coming that close on the heels of Blood and Guts, it felt a little weird. 27:35.18 Tim I also... 27:35.51 Dug But it it it was that retribution aspect, too, of making Tony watch, you know. 27:38.87 Tim Sure. 27:40.23 Dug And so I i i i get it. 27:41.02 Tim Sure. 27:42.71 Dug And again, on paper, it doesn't look terrible. 27:47.67 Dug I just felt it was unnecessary. And again, I just didn't. I would have much rather seen a match that went hard than because it didn't go. 27:53.02 Tim Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 27:56.02 Dug Like I said, and i it's not that I'm seeking a death match, but if you're going call it a death match. Should be more of a death match. 28:03.48 Tim I agree. And I'm sure some of that is getting around copyright because I don't think they can say hardcore. I think WWE wwe owns that. 28:11.48 Dug re Oh, okay. All right. 28:12.60 Tim I may be wrong, but I think they do. 28:15.16 Dug Okay. 28:15.86 Tim um So that might've been part of it. I don't know. What I do know is my concern with it being that close to blood and guts was I was like, you gotta, to you gotta keep people healthy. 28:27.98 Dug Yeah, yeah. 28:28.38 Tim You know, like, 28:30.10 Dug And this is where I got to tip my hat. And I thought Brian Danielson is so good on commentary because he made that exact point. 28:36.15 Tim I agree. 28:38.80 Dug He was like, coming off blood and guts, you know, you really got to pay attention to what you're doing and to put themselves through this so close after that and what they're doing to themselves now. But all night, that was just... 28:50.36 Dug A really good example of Brian Danielson saying the things that need to be said in a way that's believable. And I really liked his contributions and maybe it just stood out more tonight that last night than it did in a while, but he did a great job. 29:02.77 Tim Honestly, I've thought since they put him on commentary, I've thought he's been tremendous. And I'm not kidding. I think it was either the first or second Wednesday that he was on commentary. 29:15.58 Tim I texted my friend Mike, who you can also see on that episode of Dynamite. he's he's 29:20.26 Dug Oh, 29:20.82 Tim I'm in between you and him. um I think I texted him. I'd be fine if Taz doesn't come back. And that's not even a shot at Taz. 29:31.92 Dug uh-huh. No, yeah. 29:33.27 Tim It's Brian Danielson is that good, i think. 29:36.02 Dug Yep. Mm-hmm. 29:37.02 Tim And i was like, I'd be completely okay between Brian Danielson and Nigel McGinnis. 29:44.25 Tim Those are probably the two best color guys in wrestling right now. 29:44.28 Dug Yeah. 29:47.41 Tim I mean, Corey Graves is up there. I like Corey Graves, but, um you know, I, nothing against. 29:49.88 Dug Oh, yeah. Corey's really good. Really good. 29:55.03 Dug And you throw in work of the the occasional work of Don Callis in there, and you've you've got a really you've got a really solid team to draw from on that. 29:55.95 Tim Yep. Yeah. Yeah. 30:06.24 Dug I like it. 30:07.06 Tim Yeah. And, you know, nothing against Taz, but like I was getting kind of annoyed with him prior to him going away because I felt like he was doing the whatever Jones like. Way too much. 30:18.62 Dug Yeah. 30:18.68 Tim Way too much. And I know, again, to shout out another podcast, Chris Van Fleet had Brian Danielson on. That episode actually dropped today. um' I've listened to most of it. 30:30.30 Tim And Brian talks about the commentary thing, and I guess he only came in to do it because Taz had shoulder surgery. So I don't know how permanent this is, but I hope very. 30:40.41 Dug I hope he stays because he's so good. 30:42.42 Tim Well, he did also talk about like, he was like, yeah, the travel's actually really hard on my neck. So I don't know. 30:47.80 Dug Okay. 30:49.15 Tim We'll see. We'll see. It's good. Listen, by the way. um Yeah. I just to put a bow on the timeless love bombs and the mega problems. I wasn't surprised that the faces went over. We're going to get face versus face. The heels are going to chase. I don't think that's a bad thing. 31:05.27 Tim um I know normally you do the opposite on the chase where the face is the one chasing, but I don't think it's a bad thing. 31:05.59 Dug Yep. 31:11.19 Tim I think particularly with the mega problems being if they're the first ones up and I think they should be um regardless of who wins. I'm okay with that. 31:22.17 Tim By the way, i I agree with you that I think the timeless love bombs win, but there is a part of me that wonders if the babes of wrath take it because they are so over. 31:32.01 Dug They're very over. And what I was just going to say is, what do you think the odds are that we see a Babes of Wrath turn? 31:45.11 Dug Because they lose. 31:45.12 Tim That's interesting. The only reason that I don't think they'll do it is they have now created a women's tag team landscape that basically consists of these four teams. 31:58.17 Tim And as I said, I read a lot of the dirt sheets. 31:58.30 Dug True. 32:01.94 Tim There are reports out there that Anna Jay's contract is up some point relatively soon and that she is not a guarantee to resign. 32:11.22 Dug Right. Yep. 32:11.96 Tim um So you may lose TyJ, and that was really your only other team. I mean, like I said before, i would like them to revisit the Athena Mercedes team, and since they are pushing ROH more on Dynamite, especially tonight. 32:24.25 Dug Yeah. 32:28.15 Tim And by the way, I get why they do that. 32:28.41 Dug Mm-hmm. 100%, yeah. 32:31.90 Tim I think that it makes some sense to get Athena on TV, on Dynamite more. I should say on TV, because ROH, unfortunately, is not on TV. 32:37.69 Dug Mm-hmm. 32:40.41 Tim I think it should be. 32:41.07 Dug Yeah, that sucks. 32:41.25 Tim but Well, i I think Tony's holding out for... You're not going to get an AEW Dynamite-type deal, but I think he's holding out for a better deal than perhaps ROH is actually worth in its current form. 32:50.86 Dug No. 32:55.90 Dug Probably, yeah. Probably, yeah. 32:57.27 Tim What I'm real curious by is Warner Bros. Discovery being for sale. If Netflix buys it, which they might, there seems to be a pretty strong chance that they're going to. 33:08.38 Tim That suddenly becomes very fascinating to me, not just because of the WWE wwe component of it, but like, do you just go ahead and put ROH on Netflix or will they then finally put it on HBO Max, which is where it should have been this whole time? 33:22.71 Tim i don't, I don't know. 33:22.75 Dug Yep. 33:24.87 Tim We'll see. It's interesting. 33:26.71 Dug It is. 33:27.99 Tim I thought the video package they showed for the women, particularly teasing the Jamie Hayter, Chris Statlander title match was good. I liked it. 33:34.90 Dug That was solid. liked it. 33:36.41 Tim ah Like I said, more Dark Order, please. 33:39.20 Dug Yep. 33:40.25 Tim Thought the Mercedes promo was good. I really liked that. I thought the angry Mercedes was really good there. 33:47.61 Dug Mm-hmm. 33:48.15 Tim um Kind of makes me a little afraid for Red Velvet, not gonna lie. 33:51.93 Dug Oh, Red Velvet is going to metaphorically die. 33:55.26 Tim Yeah, I think it's going to be a bad night for her. 33:55.60 Dug Yeah. 33:58.36 Dug Yes, it is. 33:59.77 Tim I would prefer Stokely be the only one that talks for FTR. 34:04.63 Dug OK. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 34:06.78 Tim I don't mind Dax and cash doing it. I don't think they're necessarily bad. Um, but when you have Stokely start the promo and then it goes to cash, who is fine, but Stokely so good that it's like, just, just let him talk. 34:19.73 Dug o 34:22.49 Tim Just let him be the one to talk. Cause he's so good that then when those two talk, I'm just like, yeah you already got the point across, you know, they do. 34:28.47 Dug yeah Look, the FTR likes the old school. They should pull a Bobby Eaton and not say anything. Just stand there. 34:36.63 Tim Yes, I agree. 34:37.56 Dug Stand there. 34:38.36 Tim I agree. I think that would be great. 34:39.16 Dug look look Look bored like Bobby Eaton used to. Just look bored and then walk away. 34:45.97 Tim Yep. 34:46.58 Dug Stokely do all your talking. 34:48.57 Tim Yeah, I totally agree. ah That led us to Dark Order versus the Ops. Look, nobody thought Dark Order was winning, which is bummer because I like Dark Order. 34:54.57 Dug Mm-mm. 34:56.85 Tim I'd like to see more of them, but nobody thought they were winning. What was that bottle spot from Hangman after the match? 35:08.18 Dug it didn't break, right? 35:09.75 Tim No. and And here's the thing is that if it was supposed to, again, you talk about the production issues or whatever, the way they shot it, it was obvious he missed. 35:10.84 Dug Yeah. 35:21.85 Dug Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35:22.01 Tim And so even if it was supposed to break, he never came close enough for it to do it. i don't I don't understand what happened there. And that's the other one that I was talking about of that beat down, quote unquote, 35:36.92 Tim really felt to me like it lacked some intensity. and And that's a weird thing to say for something involving Hangman Adam Page. 35:44.28 Dug With a chain. 35:45.50 Tim Yeah. Like one of the most intense dudes. 35:46.89 Dug huh 35:48.92 Tim and But i it really fell flat for me. 35:51.69 Dug Yeah. 35:52.79 Tim i didn't I don't know. i don't know, man. 35:54.01 Dug To the point, I kind of forgot a lot of it. That there, you know, I remember, yeah, he came down with a chain. 36:03.16 Tim Yeah. And he hit Shibata. 36:07.03 Dug Okay. Okay. 36:08.12 Tim if i were And again, I just watched it. So he if I recall correctly, though, he hit Shibata with it. And then I think he hit Hobbs. And then he like went to hit Shibata again. or some of the i don't know was Or it was one of those. where I don't know, man. It felt like the timing was off. It felt like they didn't talk about it, maybe. I don't know. 36:27.13 Tim Something just really felt off on it to me. And um that's too bad. Because... 36:34.38 Dug Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. 36:35.70 Tim what followed What followed saved it, but it's really too bad that that fell as flat as it did because, you know, I think, again, you go back to what we talked about at Full Gear. 36:42.42 Dug yeah 36:47.41 Tim I think that you've got to keep Hangman looking strong when you once again just took the belt off of him really quickly. And i don't i don't I don't know that it did. I don't know that it didn't. 37:01.29 Tim I'll say that. 37:02.30 Dug I don't think it did anything one way or the other. And I did that. 37:04.49 Tim Uh-huh. 37:04.66 Dug May as well be a negative because we knew he was coming to the ring. 37:07.42 Tim Yeah. 37:10.44 Tim Yeah. 37:10.62 Dug Nothing was decided. Nothing really was impactful other than he came to the ring. And yeah, 37:16.90 Tim Mm-hmm. Yep. 37:20.21 Dug I will almost would have rather he came to the ring and they wouldn't let him touch them. 37:20.47 Tim Now. 37:23.89 Dug Like he, they would have bailed and he would have just been flailing at nothing and done a, you know, a rage whip of the chain over the ropes and yelling at him. 37:28.53 Tim Mm-hmm. 37:33.59 Dug That would have been to me more effective than whatever happened with this weird miss bottle, not break thing. And then he's bleeding because he bled, right? Wasn't that it too? Then afterwards he was bleeding or am I thinking of a different bottle shot? 37:45.12 Tim I think you're thinking of it. No, I, I, what you might be thinking of is, um, the women's tag match because Marina got busted open, which actually, that was something I wrote down that we, that we didn't talk about. 37:50.74 Dug Oh, yep. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. 37:56.93 Tim Shouldn't Megan Bain have been bleeding after Tony storm ground a piece of broken glass into her head. I thought that was weird. 38:04.73 Dug Probably. 38:05.40 Tim i That was weird, but, um, there's a theme with this show where a lot of it, where I went, that was weird. 38:06.49 Dug Probably. 38:12.37 Tim Um, So now, again, you go back to a production issue and and maybe a lineup issue. I don't know why we come back from break with the Don Callis promo instead of Hangman's backstage promo going, you know, look, I'm coming for you. 38:27.54 Tim You know who's coming with me. I will say this. Get your affairs in order was a cold line. I liked that a lot. 38:32.28 Dug Yeah. solid 38:34.42 Tim the The intensity he had in that promo was what I wanted in the ring, and I think he was trying to do it in the ring, and I just i don't know what happened there. um But I thought it was weird to come back with the Don Callis promo and then Hangman instead of the other way around when the last thing we saw was Hangman. 38:49.30 Dug yeah 38:53.02 Tim And also the Don Callis promo. This is the rare time that I'm going to nitpick him, that I'm going to kind of talk about his promos. His whole explanation of the unified title actually made me more confused. And I wasn't confused before that. 39:09.88 Dug I honestly, that's what makes me like it. Cause I think that was his point. He didn't want to answer the question. So he just did word woos and then was like, how do you not understand? 39:18.90 Tim Yeah. Okay. 39:20.86 Dug And it's like, well, you said nothing understandable. And his point is exactly how do you not get that? 39:23.19 Tim Yeah. 39:25.66 Dug So I, I think roba worked a little too well on you. 39:26.26 Tim all right. That's fair. Okay. All right. Well, I retract my criticism. 39:30.60 Dug And yeah, that at least that was my takeaway. 39:30.90 Tim I think so. 39:33.94 Dug And and admittedly, not very smart. 39:36.44 Tim Well, no, but I don't think you're wrong. i Now that you say that, I'm like, okay, I get it. He was, okay, I get it. It was maybe a little too meta, but, you that's fine. i Well, and here's why I say that. 39:50.30 Tim In a show where you had a lot of things that were kind of weird, that only added to the weirdness. 39:54.20 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 39:56.74 Tim You know what I mean? And I think by the time we got to it, there had been so many things that were just a little bit off. that I was just like, what is going on tonight? 40:07.26 Dug yeah Yeah. Why are we dealing with this now? 40:09.43 Tim Yeah. It didn't, it just didn't, there was a lot of stuff in there that, that I was just like, this is weird. And so by the time we, 40:14.49 Dug It almost makes think, did they run the wrong package? And then they were like, hog balls. 40:19.38 Tim I mean, they might've, I don't know. They might've. So then we got, then we got to Moxley and Claudio where I wrote down. So the walk to the ring isn't long enough as it is. We got to start him outside now. Like, 40:36.21 Dug Yeah. that what What is happening? yeah 40:39.29 Tim and Okay. Also, Renee saying, I actually spoke to Jon Moxley earlier will never not be funny. 40:40.63 Dug What is happening? 40:46.42 Dug It's always humorous. And I'm like, just, can you just say, i talked to John, just say John or my husband. 40:47.58 Tim Yeah. 40:50.72 Tim Yeah. 40:52.18 Dug We know everyone knows we know you've talked about it. 40:52.28 Tim Yeah. 40:55.38 Tim My wife knows that they're married and and I turned to her and I said, I was laughing and I was like, that would be the same as me saying, well, I actually talked to Kristen this morning over breakfast in between letting the dogs out and she said, you know, like, 41:08.73 Dug And this is what she had to say. 41:10.17 Tim Yeah. 41:10.22 Dug It 41:11.58 Tim Anyway, that will never not be funny to me. um 41:13.72 Dug it is weird. Yeah. 41:15.50 Tim What'd you think of the match? 41:17.21 Dug Um, it was interesting. i re honestly, i really liked the ending because i was getting to the point in that match where I was like, Holy crap. This is the one that's going to be the draw. 41:31.24 Dug They're going to, this is the draw they're going to use. 41:32.87 Tim That's what I thought too. 41:34.26 Dug And then at literally as I'm thinking that boom, uppercut pin. And I thought, okay, that was a pretty clean uppercut, pretty clean pin. Weird, weird ending for a Mox match. And then, you know, they're clearly, they're clearly teasing that because the even, I think it was Excalibur was talking about, you know, Marina came out with, with Mox and then everyone else came out with Claudio. 42:00.98 Tim Yeah. 42:01.69 Dug So are we seeing a division? And it's like, well, yeah, clearly we're seeing a division. And it just, you know, seeing Moxley be so upset at the end outside, I thought was good and and needed to happen and liked it. 42:17.82 Dug I think the ending for me is what saved the match because honestly, it was it was okay ah match-wise. 42:22.99 Tim Mm-hmm. 42:24.27 Dug They're a little too similar for it to be super interesting. 42:27.15 Tim Mm-hmm. 42:27.90 Dug in my opinion. 42:29.17 Tim Mm-hmm. 42:29.55 Dug And Claudio doesn't have enough personality to really carry that. And Mox right now, his personality is, I'm just going to be surly. So it's a little, you know, it's a lot of down and we'rere we're all angry. 42:42.05 Dug and ah So, but that ending surprised me how clean it was. 42:49.56 Tim h 42:49.94 Dug And it came pretty quick. And I was like, holy cats. Okay. 42:52.89 Tim Yeah, I agree. 42:53.00 Dug Okay. 42:55.21 Tim The surprise the the end surprised me. So couple of things there. um I thought the same thing through the whole match. Like, okay, this is another part of the tease to the breakup. 43:07.13 Tim And it's another loss for Moxley and all of that stuff. And I thought the turn was going to happen. I thought for all the world that they were finally going to turn on him. 43:21.91 Tim And then they're dapping him up. and And because this is wrestling in 2025, the social media team put out a video not long after the show ended of, oh, no, they're they're good. They're so good, they were doing push-ups together backstage, the whole Death Riders. 43:40.73 Dug so weird I didn't see that. 43:42.23 Tim I know. and And I was like, okay, so what? 43:48.82 Dug were 43:49.88 Tim Yeah. Like, again, it's weird. 43:50.90 Dug You know, like bros do. We just go backstage and do push-ups. That's how you do 43:55.35 Tim Well, I mean, if you're a death writer, that's what you do. Actually, you go do them outside because clearly you can't, or you do it in the crowd. 44:01.67 Dug Yes. 44:02.89 Tim I don't know, but I just, so I, I fear they're going to drag this out too long. 44:14.33 Dug Possibly. i think I don't think we're going to see the implosion until at least until after the classic. 44:21.37 Tim Yeah, probably. That makes that makes sense. 44:23.74 Dug and i think 44:23.90 Tim I just... Yeah. 44:26.58 Dug But I don't think they should drag it out to the through past. Because when is the classic, does that wrap up at World's End? 44:32.41 Tim yeah 44:33.72 Dug That is when it should happen, in my opinion. it's That's when it's... 44:38.78 Tim I agree. i agree. When he, okay. So then the way that probably should go then is, is Moxley should find his way into the semifinal. Cause if I have this right, the two semifinals and the final all happen at world's end. 44:52.18 Tim If I have that correct, I'm pretty sure. 44:53.74 Dug Could be, yeah. 44:56.92 Tim So I agree with you. So the semi, so he should get to the semifinal, he should lose. And that's where the turn should happen because he can't win anymore. 45:05.77 Dug Mm-hmm. 45:07.06 Tim I hope he goes away. Like we talked about, i think he deserves it. 45:09.54 Dug Mm-hmm. 45:10.67 Tim And I think it wouldn't be a bad thing, but I don't know. 45:11.83 Dug Oh, yeah. yeah 45:14.37 Tim We'll see. Um, so that pretty well wraps up. What was a kind of bizarre episode of dynamite. 45:21.40 Dug Yes, it was. And once again, though, they did make a point of saying how many people were in the Don Callis family. 45:27.64 Tim They did. he did. 45:29.59 Dug Which is so funny to me that they keep pointing that out. 45:31.06 Tim Yeah. Well, and, and I, 45:33.39 Dug can't wait for that breakup either. 45:34.78 Tim Right. And that's what think that's where we're headed. I think that's why they're pointing that out is we know it's bloated and we're doing it on purpose. 45:43.02 Dug Mm-hmm. 100%. 45:44.70 Tim Yeah. So. um Ooh, that's a good question. 45:47.16 Dug What was your highlight of the night? 45:52.41 Tim I probably the. 45:57.30 Tim Probably. 46:00.55 Tim I'm going back and forth between Kevin Knight and pack. I'm going back and forth in my head between. I'm going to say Kevin Knight, but it's close. It's real. 46:09.05 Dug I think for me, the highlight was the Okada pinning of Pac as he's trying to get on the whatever. 46:09.39 Tim us 46:16.84 Dug I can't remember the the ah brutalizer. 46:18.03 Tim The brutalizer. 46:19.62 Dug Yeah. 46:20.22 Tim Yeah. 46:20.82 Dug I thought that was such a really good, smooth finish that that was such a, hey, that was such a great match. The Kevin Knight match with Protostar, such a good match. 46:33.94 Dug Even, you know, in the Max Claudio thing, the ending was really good, but the highlight for me was seeing Okada pin him that way. I thought that was really good. His reaction afterwards, I thought that story was was really well told. 46:44.97 Dug I liked that a lot for me. 46:46.59 Tim Yeah. Yeah. i I think the only reason i leaned towards just Kevin Knight in general is i am fully on board the push him to the moon train. 46:58.33 Dug Yep. Yep. But please take it slow. Please take it slow. 47:00.89 Tim Yeah. 47:01.71 Dug Don't put him into like a title situation and then have him lose and then go, now I don't know what to do. 47:06.84 Tim Yeah. Yeah. So I would say it was probably him. I would also put Eddie specifically Eddie Kingston's promo in there. Cause he just doesn't miss on the mic, but overall weird, kind of a weird episode. 47:14.97 Dug Yeah. That was solid. No, he does not love him. 47:21.43 Dug Was odd, filled with weirdness and bizarre angles. 47:22.42 Tim Yeah. 47:25.91 Tim Yeah. 47:26.39 Dug I mean camera. I don't mean wrestling angles. 47:27.83 Tim Yeah. 47:29.93 Dug But yeah, I liked it. 47:31.54 Tim Yeah, I mean, i this is where AEW sometimes falls victim to the to their own high bar. is I was watching that kind of going like, yeah I don't know, i'm not I'm not feeling this one the way I usually do. 47:40.11 Dug Hmm. 47:45.78 Tim But here's what I always say about Dynamite. Even if the stuff in between the matches is weird like it was tonight or even kind of boring, which happens, the matches are always going to be good. 47:54.58 Dug Right. 47:57.24 Dug Yep. 47:57.37 Tim Always, without question. 47:58.66 Dug Yep. Mm-hmm. 48:00.66 Tim So, you know, and they, they delivered on that tonight and yeah, it was fine. 48:08.62 Dug Mm-hmm. 48:08.95 Tim It was fine. It was a little weird, but it was fine. That's what I came away with. 48:13.27 Dug if they tighten up that backstage presentation, do things in slightly different order than they did, ah that would have raised the bar on that show quite a bit, but you know, that's us nitpicking, but yeah I thought it was when you look at that stack card, whoo, it's hard for that not to be a decent show. 48:20.66 Tim Yeah, I agree. I agree. But yeah, it was. 48:30.30 Tim Yeah, yeah. And and we're going to keep getting that throughout the Continental Classic because there's not a bad match anywhere in there. 48:33.93 Dug Oh yeah. 48:38.36 Dug So yeah, it, 48:39.40 Tim Yeah. So it's fine. 48:43.96 Tim It's fine. 48:44.33 Dug We give these glowing reviews and it's fine. It's okay. 48:46.94 Tim Well, I mean, it's really yeah, it's like I said, the matches were good. 48:48.06 Dug No, I get it. 48:50.94 Tim The stuff in between the matches was weird. 48:51.35 Dug Yeah. 48:54.05 Dug Yep. 48:54.58 Tim And there was a lot of stuff in between the matches. 48:54.78 Dug Was moving. 48:56.90 Tim So... 48:57.44 Dug Yep. Maybe if they would have showed everyone doing pushups between matches, we would have liked it better. 49:02.97 Tim ah While bleeding, i think that would have been the key because Moxley is bleeding in that. 49:06.14 Dug Yes. And if we... Of course he is. 49:09.82 Tim Yeah. 49:10.04 Dug And I... Oh... How they're like, he wasn't bleeding that bad before the giant swing. Then all the blood rushed to his head started squirting like a sprinkler or whatever it was. There you go. 49:20.06 Tim Yeah. Yeah. i don't know. So again, it was fun. I will say this though. Remember last week when I was like, Claudio should be like a multi-time world champion. Well, you're welcome, buddy, for that CMLL title. 49:35.10 Dug There you go. 49:35.19 Tim Welcome for that one. 49:36.63 Dug there you go 49:38.01 Tim And I will say this. I actually thought he looked better in that match than he's looked in a while. 49:43.13 Dug I did too. 49:43.45 Tim did. 49:44.22 Dug I really did. That was one of my more favorite Claudio matches where he was spotlighted. 49:47.48 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 49:50.34 Dug Again, I think he works best as the heavy in a tag or multi-man match and keep his time in there limited. Power move, power move, cripple someone, someone else comes to get the pin. 50:00.19 Tim Yep, I agree. So, all right, on to next week. We'll see what they do. 50:03.35 Dug Yes, sir. 50:04.39 Tim Yep, and I don't even know what the card, well, we won't know what the card is going to be for next week, but there's going some bangers out of the Continental Classic, I can tell you that. 50:04.76 Dug right. 50:14.02 Dug Yep. So until next time, make sure you like, share, subscribe, do all the things, make the clickety clicks, ah or you just tell someone about it. Tell someone about the the the show. That helps. 50:25.47 Tim Honestly, do all of the above. You have the time. 50:27.35 Dug Okay. 50:27.96 Tim Let's be honest. Do it. 50:29.59 Dug If you made it this far, you you have the time. Also, Blue Chew, where you at? 50:38.10 Tim I need to go figure out who's in charge of, you know, advertising over there just to get rejected by them. 50:42.36 Dug Let me just say Bluetooth. Hold on. let me Just the sound. wow that that's See, that if it if that if I had Bluetooth, that would have been a full-on boi-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.