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Patriots Unfiltered 5/11: NFL Schedule Release Day, Germany Game in Frankfurt, Tom Brady to be Honored During 2023 Season · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 6: It's Thursday here at Jillette Stadium and we will be
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  Speaker 6: talking some Patriots here for the next couple hours.
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  Speaker 6: It's Deuce back on the hosting chair. Fred's got some
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  Speaker 3: I'm here with.
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  Speaker 6: Paul Perullo, Evan Lazarre and we got some stuff going
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  Speaker 6: on today. We're obviously waiting for the schedule to come out,
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  Speaker 6: and they was an announcement this morning. Tom Brady is
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  Speaker 6: going to be coming back for the Patriots home opener
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  Speaker 6: this year, announced by Robert Craft this morning on NFL Network.
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  Speaker 6: And I just got to say right off the top,
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  Speaker 6: for all the people who are writing in saying is
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  Speaker 6: that it is that all they're doing. Watched the video
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  Speaker 6: and he said, this is just the start of many
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  Speaker 6: ways to honor Tom. But this seems like a simple
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  Speaker 6: way just to get him back in the building and
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  Speaker 6: you know, kind of bring them back into the fold
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  Speaker 6: a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think this is the end of it.
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  Speaker 6: So a lot of people reaching out on Twitter and
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  Speaker 6: emails are like, is that it They're just going to
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  Speaker 6: have like.
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  Speaker 3: A you know, have them at the game. No, no, No,
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  Speaker 3: it's the beauty and then the dowb like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the downfall of Twitter because people are you know, the
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  Speaker 3: beauty is you get some information, right, you know, Robert
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  Speaker 3: Kraft said Tom Brady's going to be honored, But then
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  Speaker 3: people didn't actually see what was said, and I think
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  Speaker 3: they some jumped to conclusions, including my buddy Chris with
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  Speaker 3: a t I a n who evidently couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 3: that Robert specifically said. And I think I wrote in
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  Speaker 3: my original tweet, it's the first of many chances to
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  Speaker 3: honor Tom Brady, So this is not going to be
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  Speaker 3: the only time, promise.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know about you, guys, but my phone is
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  Speaker 5: already blowing up with people asking me if I can
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  Speaker 5: get them tickets to that game. I've already had three
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  Speaker 5: people reach out to me about tickets and we don't
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  Speaker 5: really anyways, that don't don't don't add us about tickets.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Sorry, I love you all, but please please
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  Speaker 5: don't know just.
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  Speaker 3: That Paul, he's the one who gets the thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: no one asks No, one asked. No, that'll be a
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  Speaker 3: tough ticket to had a requestions Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people in the in the thirty
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  Speaker 3: eight requests that I got for that next weekend. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: I had a lot, a lot of let a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people down on that one, but not everybody. No,
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  Speaker 3: I got some people, you hook some the important people up.
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  Speaker 3: I did well.
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  Speaker 6: I basically did it in order of people asking me, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that'll be a big weekend. I I think I think
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  Speaker 6: I mentioned my uh my son Campbell's about that his
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  Speaker 6: eleventh birthday next week. Just wanted a limo to a
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  Speaker 6: dance next Friday. Calling around. There's no limos available because
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  Speaker 6: this Taylor Swift Night. Everything has been completely cleared out
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  Speaker 6: for his so he will not be taking a limo
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  Speaker 6: to his fifth grade dance.
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  Speaker 3: It'll probably be my wife driving him and my pathfinders.
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  Speaker 3: So sorry, buddy, that's kind of like a limo. Just
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  Speaker 3: so you know, you'll be coming up on his therapy
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  Speaker 3: session in about fifteen years, right. I wanted give me
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  Speaker 3: amo for my fifth grade dance for my eleventh birthday,
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  Speaker 3: not not eleventh birthday. Yeah, I was going with the
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  Speaker 3: fifth grade dance. It was just eleventh birthday, I said
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  Speaker 3: in front of Lane, like, I've only been in a
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  Speaker 3: limo twice in my life. One was my junior prom
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  Speaker 3: and the other was my wedding. And she's like, that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a limo. We just got a car. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, then, I've only been in a limo once
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  Speaker 3: in my whole life, my junior prom. But uh, what happened?
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  Speaker 8: Like you drive around?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure like in you're like town, you ever drive
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  Speaker 3: around and there's like a column. No, no, you're just
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  Speaker 3: driving around. There's a house and there's just kind of
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  Speaker 3: a limo on the side, often parked there, and you wonder,
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  Speaker 3: does this guy have a side business? Is just a
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  Speaker 3: lot driver? I see it all the time, random limit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't live in the posh suburbs like you do,
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  Speaker 3: so these other people who are driving that I don't
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  Speaker 3: have people just like pulled over to the side.
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  Speaker 6: This is the guy who like bought like an eighties limo,
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  Speaker 6: fixed it up and now it's his side gig.
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  Speaker 3: And occasionally he's like, hey, you need someone for a
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  Speaker 3: sixth grade dance? I got upstc Yeah, your gut. You
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  Speaker 3: know he's got the little hairy Stewart Masterson is ready
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  Speaker 3: to go. And they did dances for fifth grade. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't do that.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, neither did I, but I gave him credit
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  Speaker 6: for wanting to do it, you know, in a limo.
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  Speaker 6: I thought that would be would be kind of fun.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't know, I was kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: I know a guy with the black SUV that he
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  Speaker 5: does this for a living, you know, he drives people
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  Speaker 5: the airport mostly and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe I can hook you up. But if he
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  Speaker 3: wants to have a bunch of fifth grade boys that
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  Speaker 3: they didn't want to go with the girls, they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go all boys, We've completely gotten off the rails here.
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  Speaker 3: We're five minutes into the show.
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  Speaker 6: I apologize for that, but but obviously the big news
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  Speaker 6: of the day as we tack back.
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  Speaker 9: To the.
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  Speaker 3: Celebrate. I am not one that I know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of other people agnostic when it comes to the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: Just tell us where it is. I know there's been
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  Speaker 3: some reports out there. Everything will be coming out at
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  Speaker 3: at eight o'clock tonight, along with all the schedule release
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  Speaker 3: videos that that our whole team put a ton of
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  Speaker 3: work into. So we're excited to I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 3: that out there. Yeah you haven't seen it yet.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, so I'm excited to see that
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  Speaker 5: and I know that it's a lot of work has
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  Speaker 5: been put into that by a lot of people in
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  Speaker 5: our department, and it should be cool. And I think
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  Speaker 5: in general I used to be into the schedule. Now
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie. It's mostly just about okay,
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  Speaker 5: how can I structure the next six months of my life?
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  Speaker 5: More than anything, And I understand that that is nobody cares.
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  Speaker 5: So I do find it interesting how much juice this gets.
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  Speaker 5: And I do think it just is because people are
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  Speaker 5: starving for any sort of football in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the summer. But in general, for people like us, this
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  Speaker 5: dictates our schedules.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's like getting your work schedule right, here's
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  Speaker 3: your assignments right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but for fans, I do find it interesting. But
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  Speaker 5: with Brady coming back, I had one thing to say
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  Speaker 5: about that. I think for all, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: speak for everybody, but for me personally, I felt like
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  Speaker 5: the way that he left there was such little closure in,
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  Speaker 5: such little appreciation for what he brought to this city, organization, everything.
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  Speaker 5: So it's nice to finally get to to kind of
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  Speaker 5: close the book a little bit and say thanks and say,
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  Speaker 5: you know, give him the deserving send off. I just
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  Speaker 5: I hate to this day that Tom Brady's last moments
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  Speaker 5: as a Patriot are walking off the field losing to
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  Speaker 5: the Titans in the playoffs at home and what was
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  Speaker 5: maybe one of the most just underwhelming playoff performances of
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  Speaker 5: the whole era.
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  Speaker 3: It just it was a rock fight. It was an
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  Speaker 3: ugly game.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't play well, obviously, and just to go it
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  Speaker 5: felt like you went out limping as a Patriot. And
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  Speaker 5: and that's that's stung.
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  Speaker 6: Logan Ryan picked six, Like, yeah, I think we were
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  Speaker 6: riding down the elevator maybe like when that happened, I
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  Speaker 6: don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: Did we see that live or was that was that
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  Speaker 3: when we saw it? We saw it, Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 3: we decided, okay, that's our cute to break up the
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  Speaker 3: post starting to show.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I agree with you though, And you know what,
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  Speaker 5: I think, COVID hit and then he and then he
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  Speaker 5: announces that he's leaving on social media and it's very disconnected.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody's very disconnected at that time with COVID anyways. So
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  Speaker 5: there just was never a moment or a period of
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  Speaker 5: time where fans could say thank you, fans could honor him,
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  Speaker 5: and uh, the other thing is just it's great that
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  Speaker 5: he does want to be a part of the Patriot
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  Speaker 5: organization again, and he does want to be associated with
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots and and really put himself back into that
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  Speaker 5: mindset of of being a lifelong Patriot. So I hated
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  Speaker 5: how it ended. I'm glad this will hopefully rewrite it
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  Speaker 5: a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of found myself thinking a little bit on
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  Speaker 6: the Tampa Bay game when he came back here this
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  Speaker 6: morning and just you know, now, as it's a couple of.
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  Speaker 3: Years in the rearview mirror, just of a what a
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  Speaker 3: cool experience that was, like that we actually got to
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  Speaker 3: see that, like, you know, just once, but still like
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  Speaker 3: you know, at the time, it was so you're so
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  Speaker 3: wrapped up in.
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  Speaker 6: Everything going on with you know, the team and Bill
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  Speaker 6: and man Tom and O Tom, We're going to go
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  Speaker 6: back there, you know, all the other kind of noise
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  Speaker 6: that went with it. But now it's like in retrospect,
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  Speaker 6: it was just like, what a cool thing that that
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  Speaker 6: actually happened, that he got to come back here and
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  Speaker 6: play that. It was you know, a pretty entertaining game,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, just to I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 6: know if it would be of course, his career is
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  Speaker 6: what it is, and nothing could could add more to that.
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  Speaker 6: But just what a cool thing that he actually got
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  Speaker 6: to come here and play a game, you know, and compete.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's that's kind of a fun thing now
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  Speaker 6: that's that's happened, But plenty of people weighing in on
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  Speaker 6: that and the schedule release and everything. We also heard
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  Speaker 6: from a couple guys today, Evan and I went down
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  Speaker 6: to her from Devon Godshaw, who talked a little bit about,
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  Speaker 6: you know, getting everybody back basically on the defensive side
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  Speaker 6: of the ball except for Devin. And then we got
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  Speaker 6: to hear from James Robinson for the first time, so
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  Speaker 6: he talked a little bit after signing here coming off
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  Speaker 6: a kind of a weird year last year, going from
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  Speaker 6: the Jags to the Jets, coming off a torn achilles.
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  Speaker 6: Spoke a little bit about that as well. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he's a little bit of a wild card this year.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure exactly, you know, how you look at him,
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  Speaker 6: if he's coming in to replace Damien Harris, or if
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  Speaker 6: he's just kind of all right, compete against these two
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  Speaker 6: rookies from last year. See if those guys have made
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  Speaker 6: any strides and you kind of have a veteran there
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  Speaker 6: to at least provide some insurance. But we've been talking
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  Speaker 6: a little bit aout the running back position. There's some
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  Speaker 6: interesting stuff, Yeah, there is.
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  Speaker 5: I think people always are interested in running backs for
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  Speaker 5: whatever reason. In Time Montgomery, I think, is another name
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  Speaker 5: that is kind of this mythical creature that we all
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  Speaker 5: saw at training campus. If you weren't out at training camp,
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  Speaker 5: he didn't really get to see a ton of time
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  Speaker 5: Montgomery and live action. And there was some good things
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  Speaker 5: that he did last year, especially catching passes out of
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  Speaker 5: the backfield. It felt like he was trending towards the
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  Speaker 5: third down back role being his until he got injured
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  Speaker 5: towards the end of preseason and then obviously in Week
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  Speaker 5: one against Miami. But with James Robinson, I think what's
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  Speaker 5: interesting is that his contract structure basically guarantees him nothing.
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  Speaker 5: He's not guaranteed a roster spot, he's not guaranteed a
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  Speaker 5: role of any kind. So he's going to earn it
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  Speaker 5: here with the Patriots. And as much as it's not
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  Speaker 5: to pick on James Robinson, but you would like to
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  Speaker 5: hope that Pierre Stronger, Kevin Harris kind of beats him
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  Speaker 5: out for opportunities. I think that he's sort of a
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  Speaker 5: backup plan to those two guys, especially Peer Strong, Like
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  Speaker 5: you really hope that this year is the year that
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  Speaker 5: Pierre Strong. Maybe he had that Damien Harris rookie red
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  Speaker 5: shirt style season and then he comes on this year
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  Speaker 5: and is a factor. If you're turning to James Robinson
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  Speaker 5: in Time Ongomery because those two guys didn't pan out,
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  Speaker 5: then you kind of missed on the draft picks right,
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  Speaker 5: and there was a lot of guys in the fourth
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  Speaker 5: round that went around Pierre Strong that are productive players,
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  Speaker 5: that were good players, and then Isaiah bicheck Will obviously
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  Speaker 5: went in the seventh round. So if you look back
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  Speaker 5: on it and you get nothing out of those two guys, know,
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  Speaker 5: pre mad, I'm mad about something that hasn't happened yet,
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  Speaker 5: but no offense. I just kind of feel like James
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  Speaker 5: Robinson and Time Montgomery shouldn't be major factors. If everything
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  Speaker 5: works out the way you want it to, those guys
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  Speaker 5: should be. One of them will be on the roster
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  Speaker 5: as the fourth running back, but in general, it should
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  Speaker 5: be the two second year guys that are taking on
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  Speaker 5: the load left behind by Damian Harris.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, Well, we got some some emails rolling in. You know,
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  Speaker 6: shoot us our email web radio at Patriots dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Give us a call eight five to five, Pats five
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  Speaker 3: hundred be here for the next couple of hours.
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  Speaker 6: You know, people are writing in about schedule leaks and
• 11:53
  Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff. You guys know where a
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  Speaker 6: little bit in a weird, weird spot to talk about
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  Speaker 6: all that stuff. But yeah, well we'll see everything will
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  Speaker 6: officially come out tonight and then we can we can
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  Speaker 6: all chat about next week. But I just any any
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  Speaker 6: particular games you guys are looking they're looking at on
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  Speaker 6: the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: In turn, not for me, but you know, Evan and
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  Speaker 3: I were talking before the show started, and I agree
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  Speaker 3: for me, it's all about the holidays, and there are
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a cycle that goes around where Christmas
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  Speaker 3: and New Year's fall on the weekends, and it was
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  Speaker 3: last year like that, it's this year like that. So
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: the full slate is on Christmas Eve. There's three games
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: I think a triple header on Christmas Day. So I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: if you're not playing the Thursday night game heading into
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  Speaker 3: Christmas weekend, you're going to be playing on Christmas again.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's all I would care about. For me personally,
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  Speaker 3: I already know who they're playing. I know where they're playing,
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: and you know, we did find out about the Indianapolis
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: game in Germany, but we knew they were playing in
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: Germany for one of the home games. It's the Colts,
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  Speaker 3: and otherwise I'm not all that interested. You know, Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 3: last year, they have a chance to play on Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 3: this year Dallas because they have to go to Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we'll see that. That's all I would care
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  Speaker 3: about is holidays. Yeah, yeah's I mean, that's that's us.
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  Speaker 3: What are those days going to be? I I'm just
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  Speaker 3: curious too.
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  Speaker 6: I always look for like the division games and how
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  Speaker 6: does it kind of break up they've had the last
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  Speaker 6: couple of years. It's been, you know, weird where they've
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  Speaker 6: had like Miami has been the book end. They played
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  Speaker 6: the Jets in the middle and then they like bang
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  Speaker 6: out Buffalo twice in like December and the last you know,
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  Speaker 6: so that's kind of fed into how the season's gone
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  Speaker 6: the last couple of years. Always curious to just about
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  Speaker 6: when do you got to go to Buffalo? When does
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  Speaker 6: Miami got to come here? When do you have to
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  Speaker 6: go there? Are you're playing in Florida, you know, in
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  Speaker 6: the in the heat, or are they coming up here
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  Speaker 6: in the cold?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe both?
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  Speaker 6: But the division games are huge, And of course Aaron
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  Speaker 6: Rodgers and I think what was what was revealed that the.
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  Speaker 3: Jets opening game? I think was was revealed? I think
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  Speaker 3: I think, well, is that official Monday night game? Jets Bills?
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  Speaker 3: Just bill Jets Bills opening Monday night week? One minute?
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  Speaker 3: And I did see the opener itself, the NFL kickoff
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  Speaker 3: Lions Lions Chiefs, So Lion's getting a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like I heard somebody saal national games.
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  Speaker 3: I guess as that's I mean, that's a big window,
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  Speaker 3: the NFL opener, And I know they don't want to
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  Speaker 3: put necessarily the best possible matchup on that, because it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a great rating anyway, but they also
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  Speaker 3: don't want to put a lousy one. And I think
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: there's probably some optimism in Detroit that they haven't had
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: in recent years. You want to make sure you capitalize
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: on that. Like let's just say, for argument's sake, you
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: wanted to put Lions at Chiefs in primetime. Well, I'd
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: rather do it in week one than week nine, because
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: all due respect to Dan Campbell in the line, there's
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: a chance that they're you know, three and six, you know,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: going into to week ten or something like that. You
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: don't want to run that risk. So Week one, you know,
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of optim optimism heading into that game.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Like think about last year. You know, the Rams are
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: playing because they were obviously defending Super Bowl champs. It
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: was a great matchup Opening night, It's Buffalo against the Rams.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: You know, if that Buffalo Rams game took in Week twelve,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: it was a you know, would have been terrible with
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: no buzz.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's what the primetime game slate. I
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: always look at that because it tells me to the
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: teams that the NFL trusts are gonna be good and
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: you know, they trust the infrastructure of the organization and
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: the team and the roster is gonna be good enough
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: that you can schedule a December primetime game and not
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: worry that it's gonna be Russell Wilson two point zero
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna have this horrible Broncos team on primetime.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: Six times in the second half of the season like
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: last year. Yeah, So that's I thing something that's gonna
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: be interesting now. I know there's more flexibility with the
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: flex scheduling and getting those games out of there. But
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: you always wonder teams, certain teams that kind of on
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: the fence about to you, if you're gonna give them
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: primetime games because they have enough juice to be in primetime,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: do you do it early just so that you don't
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: run into that because I can see a couple of
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: teams the darlings of the offseason, just like the Broncos
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: were last year being a Broncos some of one of
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: those teams that's not going to work out, like somebody
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: is gonna get it.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Right to me, is a prime candidate for that. Now.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I think that they have some some pieces, and you know,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I think they added some intriguing guys in the draft too.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be stunned if they're like
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: stumbling around same as last year or they did here
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: in that game, I thought, I to Paul, I wanted
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: to highlight the entire team. That's another ruck something you said.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: Though that I thought was was insightful, as you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: to do just just the fact that it's the Colts
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: that you're losing, because it's a big part that you're
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: going to lose a home game for the Patriots to
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: go to Germany, and your course excited to go to Germany.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: It's a home market now, all that, but you do
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: lose a game here in the revenue that you get.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: But it being Indie with Anthony Richardson at quarterback, a
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: little bit of transition going there. If you're going to
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: lose a game, you wouldn't want to lose Kansas City.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: You wouldn't want to lose Philadelphia, you know those prime
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: marquee games.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I think it was the worst game on the home
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: schedule out of the nine home opponents. I think that
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: was probably the one. You're going Washington Commanders, New Orleans, Indie,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: and I look at the two NFC teams as teams
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: that you don't see regularly, even though New Orleans was
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: just here a couple of years ago. The way it
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: worked with that extra game, they lined up with the
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: NFC South third place team, I think that ended up
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: being New Orleans. So by happenstance, I would have chosen
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the Colts. The only thing about the Colts to me
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: that is at all intriguing right now is Anthony Richardson
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: and when he plays, And.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: I do think yet by that point of the year
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: he might be playing. Yeah, I don't think he's I
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: don't know if he'll be he you right away, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I think by week twelve you might have him in there,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: So that that would be exciting that yeah, if we
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: got to go all the way over there, that at
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: least like Anthony Riddinson will be there.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And if you're you know, I could see that like
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: let's say he starts playing, maybe plays four or five
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: games and he show you know, like remember Deshaun Watson
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: when he started to play in a little bit and
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: it only took him three or four games before you said, Wow,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: this guy could play. And if that's like that, then
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: maybe we'll look at it and say, oh, I wish
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: that Colts game in Fox. They get the dust off
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: the old Bill Belichick versus rookie quarterback stats that always
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: get get thrown around and thrown about.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: But yeah, the Commanders was one for me too. That
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: was just kind of but as you said, you don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: really get to see those those teams a lot. But
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: I mean the Chiefs that I mean that that now
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: will be a home game now that they're not you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: going to play I mean, I know Kansas City's playing
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: in Germany as well, but that game will be here.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: So that's good news. Philadelphia will be here.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: You mentioned the Saints Chargers too, so you know, getting
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: a little cross section here, some good young teams, I think. Uh,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: and of course going to.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Jerry's World, which I saw report that that there's a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving that they're going to play somebody on Thanksgiving, not
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: the Patriots, so I'm I saw Washington tied to them,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if that was one of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: ones that was announced. Yeah, so so you know, we're
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: all that's why we're not getting into, like Mike said,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not getting into what is official and
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: what isn't official because we don't know. We're not going
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to touch it. That's right, that's right. But a couple
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of other things, the housekeeping things.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: So we did pr officially announced that we'll get some
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: access to a couple o t as in a couple
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: of weeks. That went out last night, so that will
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: be believe two weeks from today will be the first
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: time we'll get a glimp glimpse at them and then Friday, uh,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: and then I think the.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Following week, so scheduled for three practices.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Last year, I think we only got two OTAs and
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: then we got too mini camp practices. Mini camp will
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: be then the following week, So a lot going on.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, it'll be you know, it's it's like the
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: off season. But you're also like, we're meeting.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: With guys, the schedules coming out, they're gonna be. They're
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: having a food truck party out there as well. We
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: don't mean and even't tried to walk what's this? I know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I think not for us.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: No, it was kind of we tried to cut around
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: because now the new media area is down over at
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: E two, so we just went to walk out and
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: around in front of football, but it was all blocked
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: off and they had a bunch of food trucks there.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: So I assume this is one of those spring player activities,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: team building team. I thought, I thought, you know, the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: special people upstairs were giving access to something, especially food.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Looked like there was an ice cream truck to got food.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Go for some food right now, But why didn't you
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: order something? I know I forgot and you know It's
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: just we do have a wonderful new service here, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I always we do have a one I didn't know
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: about the pork mac and cheese. That sounded like a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: little bit much uh for me today, but let's uh.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Rob Rob called right in, So I'm gonna jump over
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: to the phone here just a little bit early here
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and let Rob from South Carolina check in. Hey, Rob,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: what's going on?
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: Hey, how are you guys doing today?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: Good, good, Well, I'm gonna probably do your proud Deuce.
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: I'm mainly the reason why I called in is because
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: I'm actually kind of upset by the fact that they're
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: gonna celebrate Tom Brady in the first seasons.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, Can I ask, with all serious what why
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: would that in any way upset you?
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: Okay? So I was I'm sort of joking, paul.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: A, right, Okay, I thought you were, But then when
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't laugh after it, I was like, Deuce is
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the only one I know that doesn't want go do
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: it Tampa, because I am I'm on a panel here
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: with three there's three of us, and two kind of
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: just have no more use for Tom Brady. So I
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: never know, I like I would think that I'm in
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: the majority of people who you know, respect to Brady wrong,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: but I'm not. He's winning me back ever since, like
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know about eight am this morning.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, when I saw that come across my phone,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I was like, come back, Dad, please let by gone?
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Right, okay, Well, you know my apology.
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: Making emotions like you're you're excited because of what he
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: did for the franchise and then you kind of feel
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: like the tilted lover because he left. And I was
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: really upset when he left, simply because he had a
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: chance to do something that very few players get to
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: do in this day and age, which to stay with
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: the team that they're dafted them. And so that was
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: my primary, uh fault if you will, with him leaving
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: h And the main thing was it was he was
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: the one that changed, not Bill Belichick. And I'm not
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: trying to defend a chick. I'm just saying, like, over
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: the twenty years, the only one that changed was Tom Brady.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: So that was where my source of frustration came from.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: But I am glad that he is coming back and
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: he can retire hopefully a Patriots.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with Rob's assessment. Then what Brady
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: changed and Belichick really didn't, or at least more than
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Belichick did. But I think that the decision for him
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: to leave was Belichick's. Yeah, like more so than Brady's kind.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: Of related l from Wisconsin and a email, than just
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: saying maybe Brady's last game would have been so tough
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: and disappointing if the GM could have built a team
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: around him rather than throwing scraps and hoping Brady could
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: pull them across the finish line.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Elle, But I mean that's uh, I mean,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I can't be upset about things that happened five years
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: ago anymore. No, Yeah, that's why I feel like with
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the Tampa game too, I just feel like I have
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: a different perspective.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Not that it got me all worked up or anything.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: I mean certainly didn't lead up to it. I mean
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: there was a lot on the you know you just a.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Friend used to get mad at me because I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: just like so tired of By's coming back. That week
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: was a long week of that, well, because it actually
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was a long four weeks of it. Once the season started,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: it was that it was just like, forget about the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: first three weeks, It's all about this game.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, the nineteen thing, though, does
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: it is interesting like in terms of the team around him,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: because I don't think it. I truly do not think
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: that the nineteen offense was due to a lack of trying.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: They just didn't try correctly. Like they drafted to kill
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Harry in the first round.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: You know they what is that this new year two? Yeah?
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they traded for Mohammed Sanu at the deadline. They
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: drafted Nikil Harry in the first round. They signed Antonio Brown,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: which we all remember in the beginning part of the season.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: In the first month, they just didn't hit on the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: moves that they made. And you can blame the GM
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: for that, like that, they poorly evaluated the talent or
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it in the nineteenth draft.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: But if ni kil Harry he ends up being the
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: player they thought he was going to be, then is
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: it they they used the asset like they tried to
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: get him in another weapon when Gronk retired and they drafted.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: The receiver in the first round, Tamarus Thomas in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: I mean not that he was still but you know
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: they were they were throwing stuff at the They were
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: throwing stuff at the wall.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That's what. It didn't work. No, it just didn't. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I mean the Mohammed Sanu think can still make you sick.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Trading a second round pick for that guy. Yeah, he's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: been in the news. He wants, he wants to come back.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Not he he was done four years ago. I remember
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: him being like, you know, he just was so confident
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: when he got here that it was all going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: be great. And you know, I remember the squeeze the
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Baltimore game. Wasn't the Baltimore game that he caught a
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: bunch of passes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he came out of the gate pretty well. Yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: it was Baltimore.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I think that was a rough loss, though I don't
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I forget. Yeah, oh yeah, he was one of the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: bright spots Mike mixing up years. It's not like people
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: you're I think you're right. I don't know that sounds
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you're you're dead on with sinew And I remember him
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: catching a bunch of like insignificant, like eight yard passes. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: but he had like a lot of them, and everybody
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: was like it was against Baltimore. If I'm not mistake.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: He got injured to he injured his ankle at some
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: point when he got with the Patriots, and I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: it was on a turning a punt, yeah, because they
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: had to put him back on punts, right, and he
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: injured his ankle, and that at that point he that
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: was it. He was already not he's already at like
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: seventy five percent.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: And then I think he hit on a pretty good
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Evan like because I it's not that they didn't try, Like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: I think that there were a lot of, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: things you could point to that, well, they drafted a
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: first round receiver, they traded a second round pick for
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: a receiver. You know, the Antonio Brown thing blew up.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: I just it goes for me as always goes back
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: to the draft. You know that was there was just
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: the picks that you missed on and Harry being a
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: primary one. Although at that point, you know, what were
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you expecting him to come in and do I mean,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: even when you're still going to get ab early in
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: the season, it acknowledges like we don't expect me kill
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: but by that point they had to because he was hurt.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Right, So even if nikkil Harry and up being a
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: fine player, like even if he ends up being Sony
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Michelle or Isaiah Winner, one of these first round picks
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: that they've had recently that hasn't panned out in terms
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: of being a ten year Patriot. But was just somebody
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: that gave you some game, gave you something, yea. Then
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: it's totally a different conversation in nineteen because the defense
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I wasn't great, and I know that a lot of
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: it was fools gold early on in the season for
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: that defense. But I still think that defense was good
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: enough that if the offense had been pulling it side
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: of the rope, that they would have been a more
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: competitive team down the stretch.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Than they were.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: Well L from Wisconsin writing back, and sorry, Evan, he
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: says you're wrong. So lets you say, talking about twenty nineteen,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to give BB credit for trying. He
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: had been a coach for like twenty years. We don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: get a trophy for trying to draft the same receiver
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: that week.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: When I'm critical of Bill and I'm questioning the greatest
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: coach of all time, and who am I to do that?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: And then when I say that he tried, then I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: not critical enough. I I don't know, well, I mean,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: he took some swings at that part. I mean they
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: took some swings and the noise, ignore the noise. Yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: I was just looking up snow from that year and
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: it was right. I think we all had it right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He had ten catches for eighty one yards in
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that Baltimore game. He had twenty six catches as a Patriot,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Like it was just this one day where he caught
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch, in my opinion, of insignificant short passes while
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: they were trailing by two scores. Yeah, there were a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: lot of hot so they were never really in. Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: they were never really in that game.
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: Ye.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, just looking at the rest of it
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: before that, it was two catches, two catches, three catches,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: one catch, two catch, three catch, three catch, and he
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: missed a game like just nothing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I do remember standing in front of his locker when
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: they first made the move and him talking for the
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: first time, and he was the juice and the squeeze
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: and he was like, I'm I'm here, and I'm it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: gonna be great.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I got this.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: And honestly at the time, I liked his game for them,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: like I thought they he would translate well as a smart,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: shifty route runner, good hands like I did think that
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: he was a good a good pick up for them.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: He just didn't have the juice anymore.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: He just didn't have it. I mean kind of. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: mean it would have would it be back to comparison
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to say, somewhere in the in the realm of Juju,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: of of kind of a big slot calmparison, compay, comparison,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: apologize the same in the in the world. I mean,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I Juju got a little bit of juice on the
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: on the hoof, I think like Juju has left in
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the No, no, no, I'm not trying. I thought he
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: looked like a guy was big slots pretty close to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, not known for their quickness, but you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: outstanding athleticism necessarily, but yeah, good route runners, strong, you know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: You know s new was a good player in Atlanta. Yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: just not for for us, even in Cincinnati. I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: he had some MOMENTSINNT. I forgot about those early years
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. I got overshadowed by.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Kind of him being on Atlanta during Super Bowl fifty
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: two and all them Arry going on or Super fifty one. Sorry,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: you know, all the talk going on with him on
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: the sideline being like man, they got Tom Brady like
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: they seemed to know, they knew what was coming.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Ryan. I don't feel bad. Let's speaking to Ryan. Let's
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: let's jump to Ryan in Virginia. Hey Ryan, what's going on? Ryan? Hello? Ryan?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: One stop eating sands. Oh he's on the other line.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: All right, we're hopping over. Hey Ryan, what's going on in.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Hey?
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: You guys teaching real right?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah? There are you?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: Awesome, great off and on listener. First time caller, just
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: really quickly want to shout out Bill Murray as it
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: will be Marry Brad. I hope fourth year is the
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: charm and he finally cracks the roster. But I got
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: a two things for you. I don't know if you
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: guys saw at the top of the show the announced
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: that Week one will be Eagles Past. So I thought,
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: what a great.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Way to honor.
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: The Eagle A big plug.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard that. Now, I'm not telling you
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: what's wrong. I'm just saying I haven't heard anybody announce that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: So there's some reports that that's the game. But now
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about like the league not official. We should
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: get those.
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, a good game. The other thing I just wanted
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: to touch on you guys mentioned the top of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: show was the running back room. We didn't draft anybody,
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: so that's what got me a little concerned, was just that,
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: you know, that's the position with the most wear and tear,
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: and knowing that our running back room right now is Stevenson,
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: great back, got a little banged up towards the end
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: of last year, Robinson who's coming off big injury, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: then two kind of rookies who haven't really proved anything yet.
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: So just wondering, you know, if there's any level of
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: concern there for you guys, and if we need to
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: bring in anybody else no pleasure, Yeah, no.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I mean look if I mean if Montgomery and and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and what's the space the Robinson are like healthy is
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: just what we just talked to him.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: If those guys aren't healthier or don't really can't really
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: get back to what they were hoping they might be,
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: and the two rookies from last year don't really develop
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: and all of a sudden.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: If you feel like yeah, then then maybe you're in trouble.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: When in Remandre, you know, it gets hurt, then the
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: JJ Taylor.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: H No, I mean I think that at least on paper,
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: they have a good combination of young guys that they've
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: expended draft picks on, and you know, remandre Is is
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: clearly the one a piece, but I don't know, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: haven't completely ruled out Robinson a monk army. I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: with running back, you kind of acquire these guys, put
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: them on the roster and just see how it plays
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: out with competition and injuries, and don't try to get
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: too attached.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I do think they're replacement. But I think Robinson, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: in his ability to catch the ball too, I think
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: as a as a complimentary piece, maybe take some of
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: that burden off of Stevenson that he racked up a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: lot of touches as a receiver. So I think that
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: that Montgomery, I'm not really expecting anything from enough because
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's a good player, But I just think,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: you know, at this stage, we haven't seen him for
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: so long healthy, it's hard to just pencil him in
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: for a role.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You know, if you know, Fred likes to say those
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: kinds of guys, that's gravy. If we show up in
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: training camp and we see him like he was last year,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: darting around and looking like he could fill a significant
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: piece to the puzzle great, but I'm not expecting that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there's maybe just I understand that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: we didn't get a lot of exposures to Pierre Strong
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: because he didn't play much in regular season games, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: there's some juice there. And I just think in the
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: West Coast trip last year in Arizona in Vegas that
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I saw enough that at that position, of all positions,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: those guys are so replaceable, and I really feel like
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Pierre Strong is somebody that with more opportunities and more touches,
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I think he's gonna flash a little bit more. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: even a guy like Kevin Harry, So I think the
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: biggest thing with him was ball security, and he did
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: put the ball on the ground a little bit in
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: the summer, and that's going to concern them. But if
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: he fixes that, and he's somebody that can at least
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: run between the tackles and get you some yards as
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: a power back on first down, so I'd never worry
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: about running backs. It's just they'll find somebody to run
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the football, and it's more about everything else.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Do you think that they're actively trying to get away
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: from having a specific third down back and they're trying
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: to maybe acquire players that not so much Harris, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I almost feel like between Ramandre Robinson, what's his face right, Montgomery,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I do think that that's wrong. All those guys are
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: pretty balanced. I do think that was a big part
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: of it last year. And I think we saw it
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: in the summer a little bit in preseason games where
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: it was, Okay, this is going to be Damian Harris's series,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and you know in a preseason it, this is going
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to be Stevenson's, this is going to be Montgomery. She
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: saw them out there on first down, carrying the ball
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: on third down, being candidates to catch the ball, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I think they do want that. However, I think that
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: when they saw it actually play out that way, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: wonder if they're looking at it and saying, this is
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: why we didn't really do a lot of that in
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the first place, because I think Stevenson ended up really
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: wearing down, yeah, playing too much because he had to
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: play too much. Yeah, I think that there's a all
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: the play calling tendencies last year got messed up because
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: he was calling the place. But they they the years
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: before that, the years before that, you know, they were
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: very predictable based off of personnel. You know, they have
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Sony Michelle in the backfield with James Devlin and the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: power eye, and like seventy percent of the time that
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: was a run and the other and I heard a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: lot of criticism for Josh McDaniels with regard to exactly.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: What right, And then the other thirty percent was play
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: action off of the run. So you knew that you
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: were getting into that sort of game where they're going
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: to be under center, it's going to be their power run,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: or it's going to be play action off the power action,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: And that was just a that it was going to go.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: And then last year they ditched a full back, they
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: become a little bit more unpredictable in theory, it just
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: didn't work out that way because of how the sequencing
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: of the plays went about. But I think maybe with
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien that they were able to mask it a
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: little bit more. But I also think that statistically their
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: early down offense was really good because they did run
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: the ball well and then the play action was effective
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: because they married it up and they had the whole
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: thing going. So I don't know how much that predictability
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: necessarily really hurt them in those offenses because they were
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: so a productive off of play action because of how
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: good they were running the football behind James Devlin.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just wonder if if it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit of something that you're trading off because
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: James White was just so effective as a passer, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: those guys that we have all can catch, but are
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: any of them really moving the needle like you know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: like like James White did as a receipt I something
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: to be accounted. I do think Montgomery has the potential
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: to be like more like White than the other guys
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: because of his background as a receiver. I think he's
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a better route runner because I understand what you're saying,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Mike It there's one thing, like I think romondre Stevenson
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: has every bit uh effective catching the ball as James
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: White is like soft hands ability to actually physically catch
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the ball. But I think setting up linebackers and you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: reading the zones and doing those kinds of things, I
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: think James White was was special in that regard. He
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: didn't do it because he was so much faster than
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: everybody or you know, obviously not bigger and stronger than everybody,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: but he understood how to set linebackers up, find those
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: matchups out in space. And I don't think Stevenson o'harris
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: last year, Damian Harris now were as effective like that
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: as as James White was, but they could catch the ball,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: you think, like just it never looked like that, like
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: some of those like wheel routes.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Remember from James White up the sideline where Mac hit.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Him, you know, just streaking. I mean those aren't really
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Remondre's kind of plays. I'm not going to hit Romond
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: downfield so much. But I don't know, just something something
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: to wonder. And I do think Montgomery could be like that.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: We didn't get a chance to see it, and so
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: everybody wanted to make peer strong that per Strong didn't
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: really do a ton of that in college. No, And
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I wrote his profile last year and talked to his
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: coaches about it, and he actually the coach actually put
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: it on himself. It's like, you know, we probably should
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: have dialed up more, but we didn't want him to
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: be one of these guys that was getting all of
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: these touches and getting worn down that way. But I
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: think that everybody looked and said, he's not the biggest guy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: He can fly, Oh, he's got to be a third
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: down back when he really didn't have that in his
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: on his resume coming in.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one hundred percent of projection with him
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: coming in, and I think a lot of the people
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: he talked to because of the skill set just assumed
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that that's that was the goal with him, was to
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: be third down back. And I still think he could
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: do it, but learn it though. Yeah, Like the big
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: thing for me is with the third down back is
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: literally third like third and four, and you can't always
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: throw the ball down the field, Like if you can
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: get somebody matched up underneath on a linebacker, you can
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: sit down between a zone or something like that that
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: keeps you on schedule, that moves the chains. And I
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: think when you don't have a mobile quarterback that can
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: pick up third and four by scrambling, you kind of
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: have to have that safety valve or that outlet, you
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: know when Mac gets under duress or gets pressured, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: blitzes or whatever, that it's just to dump off to
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: the running back and you can get five yards on
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: third and four and you're moving the chains and you
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: get a new set of downs. They missed that last year.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I think they had it early with Stevenson. It felt
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: like he was able to do it until he started
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: to wear down a little bit. But I think that
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: they missed that just security blanket. Just dump it in
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: the flat on third and three and makes a guy
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: miss and all you know, we're still moving the chains,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: even though the pass is a shorter pass and theory.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: It is just kind of interesting the things that they're missing,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: and by choice. But they don't have a full back anymore.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: They don't really have a blocking tight end anymore. They
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: don't really have a traditional water bug slot receiver kind
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: of guy, you know, like it's just a lot of
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: the thing third down back, like a lot of those things.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: You just you could go back through all of that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: That's good, Paul. You could go back through.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: History and you can kind of name what guy that
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: was in almost every different version of the Patriots offense
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: that you saw over the last twenty years. And right
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: now they don't really have those pieces. I don't know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: it's just interesting. We'll see where Bill O'Brien takes it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: But phones are stacking up.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And one more thing, I wanted to add a third
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: down back just I think a lot of people like
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: they hear us say, you know, one of the things
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that they're down back really has to excel in is
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: the blitz protection, right, you know, the blitz pick up.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: And it's not so much. I mean, it's a big
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: part of it physical obviously, but I think most guys
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: can stick their nose in, get in the way enough
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: to give the quarterback enough time.
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Certainly guy like Tom Brady, like he didn't have to
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: want to, you didn't have to take him out. But
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: to me, it's more understanding when, when and where the
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: pressure's coming from and the experience that I think it
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: takes to sort of pick up on that, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the subtleties of the games that they play and not
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: getting fooled. Yeah, you know, sure, and I think that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: that stuff that probably we saw it would be bigger
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: obstacles for a guy like Peter Strong than the physical
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: act of getting out. It's tough converting a third and four,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: as Evan said.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Right, especially in the old blocking system. I don't know
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: what it's going to look like now with Bill O'Brien,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: but a lot of the times those running backs would
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: have dual reads, so they'd be reading too, you know, Okay,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: we're four over three.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: On this side. If this guy comes and I have
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: this guy.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: But if this guy comes, then I have to take
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: the nearest threat to the quarterbacks, so I actually have
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: that guy, and you have to make those determinations post snap.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And then they also have full, full scans, right, So
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: you might be put in blitz pick up and all
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: you're looking for is that second or third level guy
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: that is coming that you're not expecting. So it's not
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: a pressure look. But they send a late, delayed blitz
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: up the middle, and now you're responsible for going tackle
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: to tackle and scanning through the entire line of scrimmage
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: to find the guy that you're supposed to block. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: those are the reasons why a lot of those guys
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: red shirt and don't get on the field early on
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: is because of that. And it's it's a difficult way
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: about doing things. I don't know how they did it
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: last year, to be honest with you, but that's how
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: they've done it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I used to say it all the time, like if
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: you go back, everybody says, well, that's why they do it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: In Foxborough. You are running back and you sit out
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: a year, and I say, that's not necessarily the case.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: If that's the kind of running back that they project
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: you as, you're probably going to have a red shirt year.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: If you're going to be James White, Shane Verreen type guy,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: they're probably going to indoctrinate you a little bit slower
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: if you're a guy that they project as like a
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: true bell carrier. I've seen many guys come in and
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: step in right away and it get significant carries as
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: a rookie. Ridley r. Maroney. Yeah, Ridley and Maroney did it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I mean they didn't necessarily have to be the guy,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: but they they will allow you to carry the ball
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: because I think it's pretty obvious. It's that's more of
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: an instinctive position where you come in, you get the ball,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you avoid the guys trying to tackle you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: That was like James. That was like James Robinson today,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Like what do you think your game is? Like, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: don't know, get the ball, play football. Yeah. I think
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: it's interesting too with the like even Ben Jarvis greenellens
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: off the practice squad and I think he ended up
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: getting a thousand Johns.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Those those guys back then though, had the full back
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: and and I do find that it is interesting. And
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: I remember Remandre talking about last year that he actually
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: prefers to run without a full back because he's so
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: instinctive and he has that feel between the tackles to
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: just kind of, you know, like Le'Veon Bell used to
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: just kind of waited out and then pick the right spots.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: But for a rookie coming in when they when they
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: were just like just follow James Devlin like he's going
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to hit the hole and you're going to find the
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: hole through him.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: He left out the most obvious, most recent sony Michelle
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: right right. It was like a huge part of your
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: offense found the stretch and in the playoffs as a
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: rookie and it was just running the ball.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Follow again behind you, follow the battering ram. Now you
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: have to there is a little bit more of a
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: read involved, right, that's correct, There is a little bit
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: more of a read involved now without a full back,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: because you have a little bit more, say as a
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: running back about where exactly you run lead iso at
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the full back, you're hitting one spot.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, let's you can go back to the phones.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna jump to the phones. They've
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: been holding on out here. We got Willam from Philmy
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: and what's going on?
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: Hey, what's going on?
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: Like? How you doing?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Good?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in?
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: Anytime? Do I say, who do we play at?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Play?
• 43:20
  Speaker 13: Week one? I think do y'all know already?
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: No?
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: No, do you want to say nothing?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: No, you could talk about we just we're not like
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: we can't you could. You could say whatever you want,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: just fishing from anything or you know, okay, so you
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: can say, I mean you can week more.
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: Okay, how you feel about it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I think if that's what it is, it's a big matchup.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I know they were playing Philadelphia at home. Yeah, I mean,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, what week it is?
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: Well, I would say to that, like, I mean, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: just I think there's something interesting in that the Eagles
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: are getting a lot of love right now. They're kind
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: of the darlings that the Patriots were at one time,
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: and you know, everyone loves their drafts and what they've
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: done and for good reason. And they just paid Jalen
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: Hurts and they seem like, you know, the team that's
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: not quite Kansas City yet but is right there with him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: So I think it's it's just no matter when they play.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting, you know, kind of old guard,
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: new guard kind of game.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I wish it was a different game. It's a measuring
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: stick game because that's that's one of the best teams
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: in football. If you want to say that there were
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: one hit wonder, maybe they won't be as good as
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: they were last year. Maybe I'm not banking. I'm not
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: banking on that. I think what you've seen with Philadelphia
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: over the last couple of years was Jalen Hurts sort
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: of getting the job definitively and they went nine and eight,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: squeaked into the playoffs and were very competitive in Tampa
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: in that playoff game. And then the next year they
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: picked up aj Brown and went to another level along
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: with picking up some defensive pieces on short term contract
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: like guys like Hassan Reddick, James Bradbury. If they added
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: to a defense that was already talented and now I
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: think they want they're one of the best teams in football.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's a bad matchup out of the game.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just is like that offense, the quack quarterback
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: r PO college style offense is really what it is.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: And then defensively, you just mentioned the bookend to edge
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: rusher's like Riley Reefs Hassan Reddick right out of the gate,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Like that's gonna be throwing some people directly into the fire.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: If the Patriots win that game, I would be elated, like, Wow,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: you came out of the gate and you won that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: That's that's a statement.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: It's already has them under five hundred.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's but on paper, like, that's just
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: a terrible matchup, Like regardless of when the game was playing,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: whether it was Week one or week sixteen, just on paper,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: that's a horrible, horrible matchup. And I think that at
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: least later on in the year. And I hate to
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: do this, but like maybe somebody gets hurt in Philly,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't wish that upon anyone, but maybe,
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: like you, later on in the year, you get lucky
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: and like AJ Brown is dinged up and he's and
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: he's not one hundred percent or something, but out of
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: the gate, you're not gonna get You're not gonna get that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: So I don't Yeah, that's what it is.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: And Mike, it's just just two more things. And that
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: did okay, you go okay, And to the to that
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: caller that called last time, that not that thought I
• 46:04
  Speaker 13: wasn't necessary. I just want to put this out there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 13: I listened to Patriots on filter from the time you
• 46:09
  Speaker 13: get on from Tom Pitcher filter get on to that
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: get off. I was gonna say something smart because I
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: but I said, no, I ain't gonna do it. I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: gonna let that. I'm gonna let that ride. But I
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: just want to make that caller known. You know, I
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: ain't got the earphones. Then now this times you're just
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: handing me through the phone. So I hope I sound
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: better this time.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You sound great time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: I live it at that last but not least, Evan,
• 46:29
  Speaker 13: are you really trying to piss me off?
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: Really?
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: For twenty nineteen when he got the hair, are you
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: really you was on my good side?
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: Are you really.
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: The greatest culture of all time? When he drafted that bomb?
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: Are you serious? He spent more his time on ir
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: than playing than playing in the game.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: Are you serious?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I'm getting yelled at.
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: Come on, you you you've seen Tom. Tom was pissed
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: off man. He said, look it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Because Tom scouted to kill Harry and knew that he
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: wasn't a good player.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: They missed on the pic. No one's denying that, no
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: one's disagreeing. But the idea of drafting a receiver in
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: the first round was to give Tom Brady help.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: It didn't. They picked the wrong guy. I don't know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: what do you? What are we arguing about? And they
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: picked the wrong guy on purpose because they hated Braid?
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: Are you the same Evan that was going off not
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: too long ago time out?
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: They took a guard and was going off.
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: Remember that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: What are we arguing about right now? He wasn't a
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: good player.
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: What are we arguing about?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know, but it sounded good. He
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: always brings the passion.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Than I know I did. I never said to Kila
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: is a good player? I know you just said that
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: it was the idea was It was clear that they
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: had an idea of improving the offense, and just everything
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: they did didn't work right. Like they deserve criticism for
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: picking the wrong guys.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, could you feel the hill turn on that one?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: On that calle age he was talking about his phone
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, he's like.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: And Evan and they were just like you were my boy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I'm not allowed to say that they that they tried
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: by drafting to kill Harry but just can't. Even if
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: it's not negative involving that guy, then it's just killed.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Let's head down to North Cakilaki, see what Todd has
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: to say. Hey Todd, how guys?
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: I want you guys to get on Deuce now, since
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: we've already talked Evan. Deuce was on another show and
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: he was like Debbie Downer, you know, he was god.
• 48:28
  Speaker 12: He was that different than usually made heart sound like
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: the positive.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Heart was all over me about my my negativity. But
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't believe you were bad.
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: I didn't even know what you say.
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: I thought it was like Eric Skeal.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Said they were going to go nine to eight. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: mean that's optimistic.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: Building on that, That's going to be my question. What
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: do you think the record will be this year? And
• 48:49
  Speaker 9: give me one positive thing that's going to lead to
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: it and maybe one thing that's going to hold them back,
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: and that's that's all I'm gonna watch. I don't want
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: too much negativity, Duck.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I don't like doing records either, but I think that
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: there'll be similar in record as they were last year.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And the reason for my optimism is Bill O'Brien, right,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: My reason for negativity is an overall lack of weaponry
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: and explosiveness on offense. Yep, it's a fair point. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: agree that is that general and broad enough.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: Their schedule what one of the hardest of the league.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: It's one of the hardest in the league. Whether you
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: look at Vegas you know, win totals or like advanced
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: metrics or whatever. They have a top five hardest schedule
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: in the league by pretty much every measure.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that when we look at what the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Patriots have done, and I do think that I'm encouraged
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: by the draft because I think they got, especially at
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: the top of the draft, guys that can help right
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: away at least I really really hope. So if they haven't,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: then we have we're having a different a different problem
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: in a different conversation down the road. Okay, I think
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: there's reasons to be encouraged by that, but that isn't
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: necessarily well. People automatically looking they say, well, they won
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: X one year and they added this, this and this,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: so they're gonna win X times three. And it doesn't
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: work that way because the other teams have done that too,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: change too, and you have to play some teams that
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: you didn't have to play last year that are good
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: that So in other words, maybe if you played the
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: schedule that they're playing right now last year, with what
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: they had, maybe they would have been lucky to win
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: five games. So now you've you're adding, well, they've added
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: to that what they had last year, so instead of five,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: they win seven or eight. You know, that's you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: like it's impossible to go just year to year. And
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: the other thing is what we were talking about with
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: the schedule at the very beginning. Detroit is on the
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: opener right because right now people were saying, huh, if
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I had to make a pick for NFC North Champ,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I'd go with the Lions. I think I might do that.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I might feel that way too. Sure, I ain't gonna
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: be surprised if they're like six and eleven, No, no way.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a the schedule, never know, because I'm
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: and I know this is hard to believe because I've
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: been pretty negative at times about this team this offseason,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: but I'm actually cautiously optimistic that they're going to be
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: better than people think. I just I like I think
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: that angle of it, and from a mindset standpoint, I
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: do think that that Bill still still thrives off of that,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Like I think he can use that, and I think
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: he can thrive off of that. And I keep going
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: back to the fact that they won eight games with
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: everything that we now know that was going on on offense,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: and they still clawed their way to eight wins. So
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: with Bill O'Brien, it should be better if the schedule
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: was easier than I would predict a lot more wins
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: than I think some people would, like I'd say they
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: could win ten or eleven games, yeah, but the schedule
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: isn't so.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would, I would look at last year, right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: just specifically last year, I think that they probably would
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: have won the Raiders game if Bill O'Bryan was the
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: coordinator because I don't think they would have been behind
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: seventeen to three in the first place, right, you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: to have to make the comeback that they did, you
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: know before ultimately losing the game. I think that's an
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: example of how it could be better. But it doesn't
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: work that way because you don't know what the Raiders
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: are this year, and you don't know what you know.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: How that's all gonna unfold you. You were studiously looking
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: at your phone. Well, I wanted to bring up the
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Mike Gardi tweet from a few days ago, which we
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: didn't talk about it. I just thought it was interesting.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien's impact already being felt in Foxborough talked to
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: a source who said the receiving group, for whatever reasons,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: last year coaching talent attitude. There were a lot of
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: bad plays on tape this year that won't be tolerated.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: To do it right or you'll be standing next to
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: him watching. I just thought that was interesting for a
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you differently understand if you no, I know, And that's
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: There are some things in like I mean, I think
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: the thing on tape which we talked about last year
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: during the show where it was just like, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, evn't talked the spacing being completely off, you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: not knowing where you're going. I mean, all those things,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: and you know we can talk about which guys were
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: you know, we're kind of the prime suspects.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: With that stuff consistently. But I don't know, I just
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: it was less the content of it that interest did me, Paul,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and more just like this is the message we're getting
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: out right now that that stuff won't be tolerated this year,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: you know, and which not imprising with Bill O'Brien, but
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I just thought my thing is, I don't think it
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: was tolerated last year. I think that when we were
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: sitting here on various postgame shows wondering, where's Kendrick Bourne,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Where's you know, where's Devonte Parker this week? Why does
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: DeVante Parker have one hundred yards this week and then
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: the next three weeks combined he has thirty? Right, I
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: think they weren't tolerated last year. And unless you're telling
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: me that the biggest culprits of not doing what they
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: were supposed to do were Jacoby Myers and John Smith
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and they've been replaced with guys that will do what
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to do. I don't really know how that works.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think last year the biggest thing, and
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: we talked a lot about the spacing and things like that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: I think the problem with that stuff was that it
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: just never seemed to get corrected because it never got
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: better on film, Like so if it was okay, we
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: had these issues in week six, but then by week
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: twelve we were better at it, then it's like, okay, well,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: then proper corrections in the proper coaching points are being
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: put through the players, but it just never they never
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: got it down.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And I think the biggest thing is when you look
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: at offense, that's a good point and I will fix. Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: I think offense is like this, especially when you tell
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: a player that you're running a five yard out. It
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: being a five yard out matters. It being a six
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: yard out is not what we have in the playbook.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: The playbook says it needs to be a five yard out,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: and that those types of things. I go back to
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: what Logan Ryan said the other day about about Bill
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: and that he had that ability to look around the
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: field and know what everybody you did wrong or right
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: on a play and correct.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Unles you're asking about it in the post game, Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Correct eight, ten, twelve guys maybe on one play on
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: both sides of the football, and those that type of
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: ability to see it live and in real time is
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: so valuable that I think a guy like Bill O'Brien
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: can do that because he coaches offense and he knows
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: offense inside and out. So when they're out on the
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: practice field and you know, someone runs a four step
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: slant instead of a three step slant, he's going to say, hey,
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: so this is supposed to be in three right, Like
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: you're supposed to break on three steps here, And the
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: reason is because when you didn't break in three steps, well,
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: now this guy's route is now hugging into your route,
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: which is now bringing this defender into your pathway. And
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: that's how those kind of domino effects happen. So I'm
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: hopeful that those little details are going to get cleaned up.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: He's not going to make these players exceptionally more athletic
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: or faster, or it's more explosive, but if they can
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: be better at those little details like how many times
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: last year did it feel like it was third and
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: seven and then they ran a five yard pattern and
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: you're just like, that's what how do you use?
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: That's what I meant, like, I didn't really understand the
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: way the tweet was worded, because I agree with Evan
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: in this regard that Bill O'Brien will set up an
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: offense and he'll structure it in a manner that makes
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: much more sense. We've I've already seen it. It's not
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: like something and we have to sort of project. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: saw him here. I know he can set up an offense,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: so and I didn't have that confidence with the guys
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: that were doing it last year, fairly or unfairly. I
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: didn't think Matt Patricier and Joe Judge were equipped to
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: do those sort of adjustments. But in terms of like
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: accountability and they they'd never fixed it. But I think
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: they never fixed the structure of the offense. They never
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: fixed the system itself. It wasn't because of guys doing
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: the same things over and over again and just continuing
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: to play. Otherwise we wouldn't have spent so much time
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: wondering where specifically Kendrick Bourne was. And my contention all
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: year was Kendrick Bourne doesn't play more because at least
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: once a game when he plays significant snaps, I noticed
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: him doing something blatantly wrong, whether it's lining up in
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the wrong spot, moving when he shouldn't move, or knocking
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: John hus Smith over on across with people, you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I saw him do something wrong on a consistent basis.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: He kept not playing right. Then he would go back
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: and play and make a mistake. Then he wouldn't play
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: and people would say where is he He's Jerry Rice,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: you know, why why are we losing this you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: dangerous weapon? To me, that was why he wasn't consistently playing. Yeah,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I just remember there was I can't remember. It was
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: late in the season.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact game, but they ran a
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: route combination to the right side where one guy ran
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: an under and one guy ran and out and they
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: just ran right into each other. And I was like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: there's no way that when they put that play on
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: the whiteboard that that's the way that it looks. So
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: either somebody had the wrong play or the wrong route,
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: you know, in that sequence of play, or there there
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: had to have been some sort of a disconnect and
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: it wasn't when they put it out on the whiteboard.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: They drew up a play where two guys were gonna
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: collide like that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: I would put Thornton in there too, Like there were
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: times where he's like coming across maybe in his zone,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: and the throw was a little bit and it looks like, oh,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: that's a terrible throw by back and surprise here. I
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: don't always think that was the case. I think that
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: there were times where he was expecting him to sit
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: in the zone or stop his route or you know,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: he had that problem and he would just keep going.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: He would drift and get himself in trouble, and it
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: just didn't it didn't look right. Yeah, there a lot
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: of stuff in between the hashes with th Whart, and
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I thought last year it didn't look like that's the
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: way it's drawn up.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: I wonder in like college, like, I don't know how
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: much sitting in zone versus running away and man is
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: like how much they are I'm.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Talking about that and you know me, like I'm throwing
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: terms out, like I don't know if that was well,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: it just didn't look right now. No, you're one hundred
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: percent right.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: I felt the same way, and I I that's the
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: old the old cliche is you sit in zone and
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: you run away from man, like that's that's the way
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: that it's done.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And and you're coming over the middle.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: You gotta find those soft spots and you gotta you know,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: know the distribution of the zones underneath and figure out, Okay,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: this is where I can sit running a shallow crosser
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: across the middle of the field. When there's three zone
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: guys sitting right, you're just asking for your head to
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: get taken off.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: But Mike, we can all agree that the setup of
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: the offense and the organization of the offense will be
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: much improved. I like that postivity from Paul. I love Billy.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Let's grab one of these calls here across the pond, Jordan,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: thank you for holding on. How are you?
• 59:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah good?
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Jens, how are you good good?
• 59:16
  Speaker 12: You just propped on the kind of the coaching side
• 59:18
  Speaker 12: of it. On offense, you think it's the owners of meetings.
• 59:21
  Speaker 12: Belichick said stuff about special teams about how he didn't
• 59:26
  Speaker 12: think coaching was the problem. You know, we were number
• 59:28
  Speaker 12: one in special teams two years ago, but so you know,
• 59:31
  Speaker 12: how can that be the problem last year for while
• 59:34
  Speaker 12: they were so bad?
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: Which doesn't make sense to me.
• 59:37
  Speaker 12: But in terms of look at me as if he's
• 59:39
  Speaker 12: blaming the players for last year's performance. He's changed kicker punk,
• 59:43
  Speaker 12: we signed a special teams guy and free agency as well.
• 59:46
  Speaker 12: But on offense, we've changed the coordinator and the players
• 59:51
  Speaker 12: are basically the same.
• 59:53
  Speaker 13: How do you guys see how.
• 59:55
  Speaker 12: Belichick thinks about the blame from last year players was
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: his coaching?
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, thank short.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if you guys want to jump
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: on it, but I mean I mean, I do think
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: that he I mean, look, Patricia's gone, Joe Judge is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: supposedly helping out with the special team. So I don't
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: think it's entirely just like we're just going to let
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: the coaching stay the same. I don't know how much
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: of an impact you know, that that actually has, but
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: you know, and I do think we were talking about
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: on the show on Tuesday that they've added a lot
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: of special teams tight players in the draft and in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: free agency, so.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: They've also retained a lot of them. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: so it's a big mush of you know, guys like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Slater and Cody Davis, but you know, also bringing in macmcmillan,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: bringing back Chris then signing Chris Board, like Chris Board
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: really was the only free agent addition in that regard.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Everybody else was retained. And I do think that he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: thinks that it was more players than coach on special teams.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I for sure, Cardona and now like it again, and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I've said this many times, just so I don't get
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: a blod back in my face. I do not count
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: specialists with special teams like Nick Folk and Jake Bailey
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: weren't responsible for allowing three touchdowns. Like I understand the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: kickoff itself, and that was circumstantial because your kickoff guy
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: was unavailable, he wasn't on the field, he wasn't actively
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: on the field the last whatever many games, six eight games.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: So someone's going to kick off into the end zone
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: this year. That's so that's different. I'm talking about the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: guys actually covering, the guys running into the punter, the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: guys you know, allowing you know, get they're all they're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: all going to be largely the same guys that are
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: that are doing those roles. Hopefully a mere speed or
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: with Bolden's first night, Okay, hopefully some of these guys,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: can you know, Marte Mapu, he pushes Mac Wilson off
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: the roster, That to me would be a positive development.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: But we'll see. Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: I do definitely agree with the caller though that they
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: they feel that Special Teams was personnel largely driven by
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: by personnel issues and not coaching. And I we've observed
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: Cam Accord and obviously I've talked to him. I think
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: he's a good coach, and I think with Special Teams
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: you really need to understand the nuances because it's a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: very unique thing, like I gotta admit, like it's a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: blind spot for me, Like I don't understand the difference
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: between L three and L four, Like I couldn't tell you,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: but I could tell you the difference between this route
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: that route, and you know this coverage that coverage. It's
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: it's a it's its own world. And I do think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: that cam Accord has the knowledge, and I think that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: he's a good teacher because he teaches us, like we
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: asked questions because we're dumb, so we we literally ask
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: him questions and we're like, hey, like teach us, like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: what is the difference between this and this? And he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: he'll sit there and give great explanations to the media.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: So I'm sure that he gives great explanations to the players.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: I think last year, for some reason, that it carried
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: over from offense to other phases. To be honest with you,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: that attention to detail just wasn't there.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like Bill in general, and this is unfair
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: because I don't know for sure how he feels. I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: think Bill in general thinks all problems are more personnel
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: related and execution related. It's not necessarily like we had
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: this bad game plan and we didn't have a good play,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: like right, go out and execute the play and it'll work.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: That's that's how he thinks for execution. Like I not
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: to go on a Celtics ramp, but Missoula loves to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: say that, loves to say.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Except for when they have eighteen seconds left in the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: game and it was great execution, except that they didn't
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: get a shot right, right.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Right, And you know he's sitting there saying, oh, yeah,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: you know, the execution in that situation could have been better.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: And it's like for the Celtics, I look at it
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: and I say, Okay, talent on the floor, you probably
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: have it, like you got to all NBA players, you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: got Marcus Smart's one dude like you probably, But with
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: this team and it sometimes it is talent, Like sometimes
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: you got to look at it and realize that they're
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: not out executing the other team because the other team
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: has better players than you do. So I think a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: lot of those players got changed out in some spots.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like what keeps popping out to me
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: is just you know, and it's these guys that I think,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: you know, you're referring.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: To the Raleigh Webbs of the world. You know these
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Brendan schooler. We didn't even mention him as you know.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: So it's like all those guys. I just it's gonna
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: be interesting how this all plays out here in camp
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll get a glimpse and in a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks of what the special and that's what Like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I think that those kinds of guys now map who
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: obviously will be on the roster. Third round picks don't
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: get cut unless they do something wrong. But the seventh
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: round picks, they can. They earn jobs over you know,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: four or five year veterans that have been largely just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: playing on special teams. Yeah, I think that would be
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: a good sign if if they're thought of that. Well,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: well I got some stuff for you guys after the break.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Plenty of great emails that we have yet to get to. Also,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I talked to his Abeolin's coach at Jackson State yesterday, Well,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: a guy that replaced Dion. Great conversation. So I'll tell
• 1:04:45
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  Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 3: History.
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  Speaker 8: And yet I was still nice enough to invite you along.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, very nice. There were like six of us. I
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  Speaker 4: mean the place was, say, Fred was the you know
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  Speaker 4: what block? Why are you mad at me?
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  Speaker 8: Why why, he says, with the big grin across his face.
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  Speaker 4: Why are you so upset?
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  Speaker 3: What I'm upset at you?
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  Speaker 10: Why?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Just you?
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  Speaker 4: All of our lives are open book.
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  Speaker 8: Why is it you are? Why you purposely do these things? Yes?
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  Speaker 4: I do, yes, yes, I do talk. We all talk
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  Speaker 4: about things going on.
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  Speaker 8: You make things out of thin air that are not there.
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  Speaker 4: What's thin air? You were with a lady friend? What's
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  Speaker 4: what's thin air about that?
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  Speaker 8: No, a lady friend implies that there's something going on,
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  Speaker 8: and she wrote.
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  Speaker 3: That's the end of it, dude, look like but it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be it.
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  Speaker 8: It is because I told you yesterday, and I don't
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  Speaker 8: like it when you make me repeat myself. It sounds
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  Speaker 8: like my father.
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  Speaker 4: You think I'm screwing things up for you.
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  Speaker 8: Just tell me you've been screwing things up for me
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  Speaker 8: for twelve years. Buddy. Did you specifically tell him not
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  Speaker 8: to mention it?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 8: I knew he was going as soon as he walked
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  Speaker 8: up and saw us. He had that stupid grin that
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  Speaker 8: he's got on his face right now.
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  Speaker 3: I can so see it.
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  Speaker 4: I won't mention it again, But if when something happens,
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  Speaker 4: could you let us know nothing is going to happen,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like if they you know, if they decide to.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing is going to happen.
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  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with And why are you yelling at me?
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  Speaker 8: I didn't do anything because you're joking around to him
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  Speaker 8: on a little Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You did admit it, but this is all Fred.
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  Speaker 4: I don't Okay, what'd you guys eat?
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  Speaker 3: Did I miss that point?
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  Speaker 4: I had swordfish? That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 3: Swordfish. Used to get swordfish during the show? Not here?
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  Speaker 3: What were you guys? Was that a draft show or something?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 15: No classic where Fred saw Eric on a date and
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  Speaker 15: crashed it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's great.
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  Speaker 6: And now it ties into this email that I was
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  Speaker 6: sitting on that I from Jake from Chicago that I
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  Speaker 6: wanted to to read, and I think Paul might have
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  Speaker 6: to be the one to provide this insight. But hey, guys,
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  Speaker 6: new listener, I always hear the references to Eric. Never
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  Speaker 6: listened when he was on the show. Is there a
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  Speaker 6: specific show that is must listen to to truly understand
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  Speaker 6: the references you all make to him. I feel like
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  Speaker 6: I need even just a clip to truly appreciate what
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  Speaker 6: he brought or took away from the show, and he
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  Speaker 6: would love the show and the entertaining perspective you all bring.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think that clip was pretty good, Paul,
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  Speaker 6: but if there were some other Eric moments. But but
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  Speaker 6: I mean every Joiners paint the picture.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric, I mean obviously worked here for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I would say Andy and I were much more into
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: the Patriots in football in general, especially football because Eric
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: was into the Patriots, but not like as passionately as
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  Speaker 3: we were in terms of the league itself. So that
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  Speaker 3: was for starters. He kind of carried himself as being
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: above the fray intellectual. Yeah, I was trying to be nice.
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  Speaker 3: He in doing so, I think he opened himself up
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of those kinds of stories. Well, it's
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  Speaker 3: funny it says criticisms. I was talking to Evan about
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  Speaker 3: it too. It's like you kind of become a character
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  Speaker 3: on the show. And Eric certainly was a character, but
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: he was also you know, a great guy and you
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: know all the things you pick on him for, but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: he was He was the only favorite of the show
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: that is really completely authentic is as soon as the
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  Speaker 3: show was over, Evan does actually just watch video just watches,
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  Speaker 3: take watches all twenty two all the time, and if
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  Speaker 3: he's not doing that, he's at a Bruins or Celtics
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  Speaker 3: playoff his dog.
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  Speaker 5: But the first, my first interaction with Eric back in
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  Speaker 5: eighteen when I first started UH, he was standing with
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Sulkin from PR, and so I thought he was
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  Speaker 5: in PR.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was, so I went up
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  Speaker 3: to him. That's the perfect thing that would piss him,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 5: So I went up to him and I asked him
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  Speaker 5: if he had a roster. No, you did it, and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: he mocked you, and he looked at me like he
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: wanted to punch me in the face.
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  Speaker 3: I can totally see. This is the first I've ever
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  Speaker 3: heard of the story what happened? And he was like
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  Speaker 3: it is Scully cap On and ask me or like
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  Speaker 3: something like that. And I was just like, oh, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: Like I thought you were standing with whereas Andy or
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  Speaker 3: Mike or myself, Like, yeah, I mean you have a
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  Speaker 3: roster for for Forevan.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 3: He looked at me like, I why would you assume
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  Speaker 3: I'm not in PR? I write long form features?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then so I remember I I walked away
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  Speaker 5: from him, and I recognize because I realized I asked
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  Speaker 5: the wrong person, so I walked away from him staring
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  Speaker 5: at you. I asked somebody, Uh, hey, you know who's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: that Who's that guy over there? I've never met him before.
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  Speaker 5: They were like, oh, that's Eric Scalvino, like he writes
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  Speaker 5: for Patriots dot Com.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, uh, like, pr my, apologize, mister Skelvino.
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  Speaker 3: I just I just wanted to apologize for earlier. Idealy
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  Speaker 3: who you were? You there?
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  Speaker 18: It is?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's uh, let's go back to the phones here
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  Speaker 3: real quick before we dive into the email. Sean and Vancouver.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Sean, how are you?
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  Speaker 12: Hey?
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  Speaker 14: Guys, Mike, have a couple of things now, Paul. Earlier
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 14: you were talking about running back and how they might
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 14: not get on as much as a rookie because of
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 14: the responsibilities in the passing game, blocking schemes. I wonder
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  Speaker 14: if that extends to tackle. Now what we've mentioned that
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  Speaker 14: they didn't draft a tackle because they're happy with who
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  Speaker 14: they have in the room, And I wonder if it's
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  Speaker 14: also extends to the experience, like Rillery been in the
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  Speaker 14: league for a long time, maybe he's going to be
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  Speaker 14: better at picking up those type of things. When it
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  Speaker 14: comes to protecting on passing plays. I don't know if
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  Speaker 14: that's their thinking, but that might be one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think in general Bill doesn't love giving really big
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  Speaker 3: roles to rookies. I think he's been sort of reluctant
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  Speaker 3: to do that periodically over a long period of time.
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  Speaker 3: But I would say with tackle, yeah, I think ideally
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  Speaker 3: you draft a tackle in the first round and he's
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  Speaker 3: your third tackle. Yeah, but I don't think that's why
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  Speaker 3: they didn't take a tackle because he's not going to
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  Speaker 3: play anyway, because now you're just have the same problem
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  Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, if you don't want to play a
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  Speaker 3: young tackle.
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  Speaker 5: I do feel like tackle two to some degree, it's
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  Speaker 5: just like you kind of blocked the guy across from you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's offensive line play. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's obviously slide, no disrespect to my son.
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  Speaker 5: If they put two guys over you, you got to
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  Speaker 5: you know, sort that out and things like that. But
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, I think, you know, eighty percent
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  Speaker 5: of the time, it's just like, if you're a left tackle,
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  Speaker 5: the guys lining up over you, Matthew Judon's across from you,
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  Speaker 5: you're blocking Matthew Judon, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, and I do think, Sean, I do think
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  Speaker 3: that Bill probably looks at that and says, that's that's
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  Speaker 3: asking a lot of a young rookie tackle to step
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  Speaker 3: in week one and just perform. But he's done that.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: Matt Light Matt like, I was just gonna bring him
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  Speaker 3: right out of the right out of the shoot in
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: two thousand and one as a second round rookie and
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: obviously perform well. And Soldier ended up having to play.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: I think the idea going into that year was for
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: him to sit and be the third tackle, but then
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Volmer got hurt and he had to start really the
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  Speaker 3: bulk of the season. I just feel like, in general,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Bill would rather not have to rely on rookies. I
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  Speaker 3: think he's a big experience guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: That.
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  Speaker 14: My other thing has to do with the draft. It's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 14: a weird kind of observation, but there were basically seventeen
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  Speaker 14: players invited to the draft party, and we saw, you know,
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  Speaker 14: for nine players seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: Can I just interrupt you for one second, Sean, because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people have said that there was seventeen
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  Speaker 3: people that went to the draft party.
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  Speaker 14: Right, more invited?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 17: Right?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: There was countless more invited. There was seventeen that said yes,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want to make it out to be. In
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: other words, that Keon White, who I just had a
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  Speaker 3: really good conversation with his coach, was one of the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: seventeen people that they chose to go. No, there was
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of people and most people said no,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: they didn't want to go get to that.
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  Speaker 14: So there was the first nine that showed up. They
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 14: all hugged Goodell, right, and then you had a few
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  Speaker 14: you know who didn't show up, And then you had
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  Speaker 14: when it came to seventeen, you had Gonzales come up
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  Speaker 14: and there.
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  Speaker 3: Was no hug.
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  Speaker 14: It was just a handshake, and then good couple after
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 14: that they were hugged again. So is there is there
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 14: something going on with that? Like the Patriots don't get
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  Speaker 14: along with Goodell obviously, but this Patriots famous.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think they called like we just
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  Speaker 3: drafted you and you better on hug Goodell.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think Christian Gonzalez from the five minutes that
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: we got to sit with them, doesn't seem like a
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  Speaker 5: hugger to me.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't seem I wouldn't read anything into it
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  Speaker 3: at all. But I can tell you that the Patriots.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Both Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft have a very strong
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: relationship with Roger Goodell. I know that probably upsets some
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: element of Patriots fans, but it's it's it's true. It's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: they get along very very well. Thanks Sean.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, all right, that's.
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  Speaker 3: All you got.
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  Speaker 5: All right, that's those are some good details, though I
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  Speaker 5: would not I do not watch who see who hugs
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: it and shakes and who lifts him off the ground.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 10: I know that.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: And you know, Mike, you had said before we went
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: to that break that you had talked to Zay Bolden
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: coach Taylor. Coach t C. Taylor, who I do remember, Yeah,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: was here as a undrafted rookie one hundred years ago
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: and two thousand and two you said you had a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: good conversation with Yeah, it was fun.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Just uh, I mean, obviously Deon Sanders had moved on,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: but you know, got a little bit of insight from them,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: just on on Zay and the kind of kid he was.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: And and you know that information about coach Taylor being
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: here in two thousand and two, just like you don't
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: realize it. And then the assistant ad said, you know, hey,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you realize this, but but then
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: filled me in on that. So it was fun just
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: to I said, look, I know things have changed in
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: twenty years, but you know, just from your experience here
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: what kind of things you have to say to Zay and.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: You know what to prepare him for, prepare himself for.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: So it was it was good.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just these these we all do these profiles,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: and I really kind of enjoyed just getting to talk
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: to the coaches and just you know, of course they're
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: going to be for their player and it's all going
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: to be positive, but it's also just, you know, fun
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: to get to see these coaches who work with these
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: players and are now getting a chance to see these
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: players go on and you know, achieve their dreams of
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: at least being drafted. You don't know what where they're
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: going to end up, but it was cool and I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: think we're wrapping them up. We all are just about
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: Don Evans went today on Jake Andrews.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and I wrapped up keyon White today
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: and I had mentioned that I had talked to Brent Key,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: who was the new head coach at Georgia Tech. He
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: took over on an interim basis early last season, went
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: four and four after a real tough start, and earned
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: the full time job, and obviously spoke very highly of
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Keon White, as Mike said, most of these coaches do that.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: But it was funny, like he had talked about, you know,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: the same impressions that we got of that video clip
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: of how serious he was, and he said that he
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: was taken aback by it when he first came. When
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: in twenty one, when Keon White came from Old Dominion
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: and transferred to to Georgia Tech, he was taken it back.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what's what's up with this guy?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: What's his problem? He goes as he and a wolf
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: like he was thinking to himself, and he sort of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: got to know him and and sort of understand what
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: makes him ticket He's like that all the time. It's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: it's authentic. That's that's who he is. He's very serious,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: very mature. He said. He's he's older as it is,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: you know, for but he's like more mature beyond that
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: even his advanced age. So this is kind of the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: seriousness that you get. But he said, don't mistake that
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: for you know, like a lack of passion, caring. Yeah, like,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: he is very passionate about what he does. He was
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: great at sort of holding the locker room accountable really,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: you know, on defense, especially last year, he would set
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: up one of the things that he told me, he
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: would set up these contests. They would have two out
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: of three matches short yardage on Tuesdays at practice, and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: when the defense lost, it wasn't just we lost today, No,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: he made sure that they were accountable. So he felt
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: like that was really good for him. This is Key
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: talking now. It was good for me because I'm trying
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: to like earn the respect of this locker room, and
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I had this guy really doing everything he could to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: make sure that everybody was doing whatever they could to win,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: and that helped me win over the locker room myself.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: So I think there was a lot of respect there.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: I like hearing that.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, based on some of the stuff we've been
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: talking about of just you know, generally the everybody who
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: should be right like those things.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: The way, I'll just tell you guys that Key was
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: the offensive line coach at Alabama from sixteen to eighteen ish,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: so he was heavily involved with recruiting Mac Jones and
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: obviously went against Christian Barmore in practice and said, I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: don't know how you deal with those two Barmore and White,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: you know, down the road someday if they were, you know,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: hanging out over the A gap as sub rushers in
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: sub packages. Uh as the three technique inside, that's the idea.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go. You got Jude on on the outside.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: On the other side, it's a good front chasing down
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: mobile quarterbacks. I'd like to let you know about Kayshawn Booty,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: but I'm striking out like I'm having a real hard
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: time apparently. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not really I mean,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I'll do respect to Kevin Funck, who I love, love love,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in that kind of element I do. Look,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: I love the UH.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: I love doing these draft profiles though, because it's just
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: great to hear what the kid is like in the
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: story and and how these guys all got to this point.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: And especially nowadays with with N I L and all
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: the transfers that we've had to deal with, and you know,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: go tracking down coaches that actually coach these guys and
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: and got to know these guys a little bit. It's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: it's always good to get some of that that background.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: This is what obviously scouting departments do this before the draft,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: and we do you know, we do it after the draft.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: But it's always fascinating when you hear stories like Paul's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: story about Kean White holding everybody accountable at practice. Don't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: you hear these little things about these guys at the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: Patriots drafted and you're like kind of Patriots Like, yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: now I get it.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: The maturity thing too that Paul said, because that was
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: the same thing they said about about the kicker Ryland, Like,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: you know, like I mentioned it before it came out
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: of the womb, mature.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: You know, these guys are serious guys, they're into football.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: I had Actually, it's unfortunate I had an interview scheduled
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: for after the show today with Mike Loxley, who is
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Maryland's head coach, and about Chad Ryland, who I already
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: wrote the profile on anyway at this point, but he
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: unfortunately had to cancel that. So, yeah, uh, you want
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: to play a game? Got a little game here?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: A game?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Would you like to play a game? He would do it? Well, yeah,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: there you go. Toe.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: So Aaron from Kentucky's got a game over unders Bailly's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: Zappi starts a Hey.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say over. I think in the NFL that nowadays,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: somebody gets hurt, somebody gets hurt, ball out somebody specific.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say last year, how many teams had their
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: quarterback playoffs the game? Crazy like Josh Allen, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: that's it, Mahomes. I'm gonna sander though Max got it
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: Uh like the twenty twenty three draft picks that don't
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: make the roster two, I guess we say two point five?
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: How about two point five over under two ND, I'm
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: going over. I'll say over.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: Just they drafted five guys in the last two rounds
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: of the draft, like twelve guys altogether.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, taekwon Thornton touchdowns. Four that better be over.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna I think that's a good prediction. I would
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: say four on the on the on the money, I'm
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: gonna cheat.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Gouda have some long ones. Uh tight end TDS ten
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: between Sicki and Hunter Henry. I like that number. I'm
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: gonna go. I'm gonna go over. I've been predicting a
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: resurgent for Hunter Henry this year, and I think Siki
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: will I'll stay over because I think that's a pretty
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: modest number for Yeah, tight ends catch the ball to day. Yeah,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: Zapi tds were staying on the Zappie front here, Zappi
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: TD's three. So he gets Special Teams TDS too. With
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones and Mario Douglas. Maybe I'll go under the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: undern go over. I'm gonna go over to. I think
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: special teams be much better. Yeah, because they got new players.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Paul gives nod before the Pats before the fourth twice.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: I don't have you given a Patriots nod in the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: last two seasons Detroit. I gave without question. That game
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: was over on on like the second fourth down stop, right,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and they had like four more fourth down stops just
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: that well they you know, Board got interviewed and they
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: were like, what do you do anything you remember from
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: that game? And he was like, nah, but I was
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: hoping it would be like we kept going for fourth down.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I am you got the best
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: special teams player in the league, Like, come on, get
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: me out there. Probably, if he didn't get signed by
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: the Patriots, probably said, yeah, none of our players played.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: What's so weird about that game? Just like mini sidebar here.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: What's so weird about that game is that you would
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: expect that that would mean that the Lions are an
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: acolytically driven right, because you're going for it on fourth down,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: But then they took a running back and an inside
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: linebacker in the first round.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like, are you are?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: You can decide, right, and you can tell that Dan
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: Campbell and their brain trust and Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: have to be constantly at odds because Dan Campbell's.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling this one. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: We're gonna tear our kneecaps whatever, right, Yeah, no, I'm
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: feeling it. Yard. We gotta feel we got to run
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: the ball.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: We gotta get a guy that can stop the run,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: and we got to control the you know, the linebacker.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: And get Brian Urlacker. In twenty thirteen, they like, they
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: had a really good offense last year and they had
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: two running backs and Swift and Williams that were very productive.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: Williams is like like right, like sixty a million touchdowns,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: but they were, but they were very productive, and they said,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: we'll get rid of those two guys and we'll get
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: David Montgomery and then we'll draft Gibbs like of just
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: shuffling the deck the chairs on the screen. Be a
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: nerd or don't be a nerd? Dan Campbell, make up
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: your mind? Uh last one? How many weeks does Mike
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: drop an expletive out of frustration for the team three under?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: But you will?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: It would definitely be more than one. I appreciate it.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 20: I haven't.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I haven't dropped one yet here. We should get a
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: deuced cam for the the road games when we're sitting
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: in here, that will be. That would be, but we can't.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: You gotta see, like there there are different things like
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: beyond just the Patriots ineptitude offensively that like set him
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: off last.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Year mac reactions when Mac is yelling at the sideline,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: And then someone will be in here which will really
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: get under his skin at that time, and he's like
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: trying to kind you know, and I'm like, you know,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: as as I like to say, semi retired so I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: don't do any writing during the game anymore. And Mike
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: is like feverishly and I've been there, I've done it,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: I did it for a hundred years, and feverishly trying
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: to get this done so when the start of the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: show comes, you can be focused and have your un
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: divided and it'll be like some random like Mike, would
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: you think of that. I'm just very good.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: I'm very glad that we have the setup that we
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: do because Mike doing like the immediate after the game,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: but I can't.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: It's it's a it's tough for me to do.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Like it's tough for me to focus on the game
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: the way I want to focus on the game and
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: chart it and do all the things that I do
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: live and then also be writing like a gamer that's
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: supposed to publish right when the clockheads zero in the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: fourth course that I'm very glad that we have the
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: setup we do.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Because we've got some time and like I actually start
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: the style that Mike does. I started doing when we
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: first went digital. Yeah, we first went away from the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: paper and we started doing postgame shows. I just thought, like,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of quick hit random observations. I used
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: to call them random thoughts, and it turned into like
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: game observations. What is it called game observations? But what
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: used to happen to me all the time is the
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: things that you thought were relevant in the game. You know,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: you'd start stacking up and then clearly there's a pattern developing,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: and as you're writing them, you're writing them in such
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: a way that would indicate they won or they lost, right,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: and then when that changes last minute, you're like the
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: whole tenor of this is now, Oh well, it's like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: the Marcus Jones punt return, you know, I mean there
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: was like it was enhing game. There were two field
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: goals in it until that point, and then all of
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: a sudden You've got to like completely put the biggest
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: point in with like give three minutes before that. Right,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: But at least that's something you do that like that
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: was changing. That's your top. Like I'm thinking more along
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: the lines of like Pages did a great job in
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: past protection and and you know, Dolphins came in, you know,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: leading the league in sacks, the Patriots offensive line completely shut,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there's like a strip sack
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: three minutes left from the game that cost the Patriots
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: of the game. Right, So now I have like six
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: points that I've made that are almost irrelevant at this point,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: and like, what do you do?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: That's why That's why I like doing the way that
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: we do because I can I get to, you know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: talk to the guys, fall into that trap and marinate
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: it on a little bit.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: But I fell into that trap so many times too.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: It's tough, but I there is a part of me that,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: you know, I love traveling to the games, like, I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: would not give that up.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: I love doing it. But you guys have some fun
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: here too, you know, we do have a lot of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: fun and we have a good like Hardy is really
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: good mixing with us, and Matt is here with us
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: on Sundays too. But yeah, I mean what I used
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: to like about the road games is I never really
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: worried about writing because at the time, we didn't post
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: right after a game. So I never really worried about
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: any writing because I knew I had the plane, Like
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: what else you're doing on the plane? Yeah, you know,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna write on the way home, and you could
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: sort of collect your thoughts, formulate a plan, and then
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: execute it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: The home games were always different because you're always like,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: I gotta get out of here, you know, I gotta
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: get out of here.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, inside baseball. But now I try to publish
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: before we're.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Wheels up many times I've been done wheels, so when
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: the meal comes, I don't I don't have to put
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: my laptop down.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: I'm literally like in pocket, like ready to hit publish
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: and the plane is going like this, and I'm like
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, and I'm just on my hot spot
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: on my phone and it's like trying to get like
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: make sure that it goes up. Every once in a
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: while I have to hit up for and be like, hey,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: like it's written, but I just need somebody to to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: fill in the the all the little boxes and stuff
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: like that. And but yeah, it's a it's a it's
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: a fun I would. I love going on the road.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: I love being at the game.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: You got to get this. You got to say these
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: things now because you can't say them at home. I know, Jess,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: I have to try. It's my burden. I tell her
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: all the time. I can't.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: It's really difficult for me to do the detail that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: I want to get into without seeing the whole field
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: and like being there. So watching it on TV to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: me is a little bit like having one hand tied
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: behind my back because I'm at the mercy of the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: camera angles that they're giving me.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: I just think of the contrast for me between the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: away games when we watch it on TV and you're
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: you know, you're stuck with what they're showing you, you're
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: also getting the peanut gallery. Everybody that's in this room
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: is weighing in on their thoughts, so that's you know,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: gonna call it. But and then when we're up in
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: the press box, I'm getting what you're saying.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: You're seeing the whole field. You can watch what you want.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: If I want to take my binoculars and just focus
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: on one guy for a play, I can do it.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I hear exactly where you Yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: And then I always go down to the locker room afterwards,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: and like usually off the record, I'll go up to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: some players and be like, hey, like I think I
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: saw it this, Like is this my right? Am I
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: on the right, And they're like usually they like kind
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: of give me a wink, win, nod, nod, and they
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: don't actually like tell me like break it down for
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: me the way you know some might think.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: But it's it's good. I got an email here from
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Ryan in Atlanta. I liked with craft good story announcing
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Week one with will be Brady's return. I feel it
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: appropriate to talk a little bit about some of Tom's
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: greatest moments. So what are your favorite moments plays from
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady's career that might not get as much coverage
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: as as many Super Bowl comebacks or nail biting AFC
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: championship games. For me, the regular season game against the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: Saints in twenty thirteen when he hits Caemberrell Tompkins in
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: the end zone with five seconds left to win the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: game was the moment that gets me, as Evan says,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: hot and bothered when I watch it. Sorry for my
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: clunk reading there, Ryan Atlanta Hips like, good question. I
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: always done it for a Monday night game. Was that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: last second touchdown to Givens. I want to say in
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: the game that Lonnie Packs did attentional safety? Ye yeah,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: snapped the ball the goalpost. That was That was the three.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: That was like one of those games where it was like, okay,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: like Belichick is is doing stuff on a different level
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: and Brady is Brady. But like that was one of
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: those Patriot games where you're like, all right, they're playing
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: they are playing chess.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: You don't know why they want that knows what's going
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: childhood for me right now? Let me remember it like
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: it was. It's it's always it's always interesting. They screwed
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: up on the return of the kick and got bottled
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: up deep in their own end. They mishandled the kick
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: on this. Yeah, Now, I think that the the intentional
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: safety to me, checkers see intent. The intentional safety to
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: me was football one on one. I think a lot
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: of guys would have done that. Now, most teams would
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: have lost even doing that. I think that was the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: right thing to do. Most guys would have lost the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: game because you you have a free kick. Let's say
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: you get the ball to the thirty yard line, first
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: down ends the game. And if you don't, you're punting
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: the ball and you're getting you're pinning them way down
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: and there's no time left. Right Everything after the intentional
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: safety was completely botched by Denver in that game. I
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: think it was Delta O'Neil if I want to remember,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: I think he's I think he might have screwed up.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: I might be confusing it with a different game, but whatever,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: that drive by Brady to me is memorable. That throw
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: to it was like a twenty twenty five yard touchdown.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Wasn't like a little flip, you know, on a little
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: you know, in and out route, you know, jerk route.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: It was like high degree of difficulty and at mile
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: high they never won their well whatever the Invesco field,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: I think it was at the time, just an incredible
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: last couple of seconds.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: I think my first memory that I that I always
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: stuck in my head was Troy Brown's game winner and
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: overtime against Miami.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: Oh. That's a great one, that one when I when
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: he hit.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: That throw, first of all, if you like, go watch
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: back and watch that, that is an absolute seed, like yeah,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: and he's kind of like back pedaling when he throws
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: it to his momentum is not going forward. It's not
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: like a typical hair of Mary where the quarterback runs
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: into it or something like that. He's back pedaling and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: moving to his left, and he still gets enough on it,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: you know, to to hit Troy Brown in stride and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: and then Troy Brown pulled away for the touchdown. And
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: I will never forget how excited because they never won
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: down in Miami right like there was they were on
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: like a crazy losing streak down there, and I just,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: uh will never forget how excited even Bill was, you know,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: throwing things, yeah, right, yeah, and that was that was
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: a big one. The other one that I always love
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: is the the snow game against Tennessee where him in
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: Moss and that they think they scored like fifty six
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: and a half or something like. Yeah, that game just
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: was like classic, like we're better than you and we're
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: just dirt stomping teams.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: Now and that and that wasn't that was a rough
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: Patriots year too, Like that was just an outlier for
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: that that team in general. I just like, oh seven,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: it's obvious, like no one's surprised, but just some of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: those games it just felt unfair.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: It just felt like these guys are on such another level.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: And the one down in Miami to me where they
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: still play those highlights, just a couple of those Moss
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: touchdowns where the one guy like tore his acl like
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 6: on the play like Moss just like one hands it
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: on his shoulder and like two dolphin players just go
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: flying and one guy's got like a knee injury, and
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: its just like those.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Moments where you're like, this is just it's not fair.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: Right now.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: They are on a different level, even like Cincinnati that
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: year where you just felt like they were unstoppable.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: It was pretty cool. I don't remember Cincinnati since he
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know the Miami game was was silly. Was
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: just throwing these balls like you talk about like you
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: develop bad habits. Threw one up like into triple coverage.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: They had him completely surrounded. The must just like jumped
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: up the ball and everybody like just fell over. It
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: was like you know when you watch those clips on
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: on on like YouTube of like the kid that's like
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: eight years old and everybody playing youth football and they're
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: all just falling down around him. That's what it looked like. Yeah,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: like they were playing their own game.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: In a HIMNT Moss and and Gronker like the only
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: two guys that felt exactly like that, like like this
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: is varsity, Like we're on varsity. These are guys that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: are playing JV. Like that's how I fell watching those guys.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: But I just remember in O seven, like you knew
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: you could tell by Brady's like mannerisms when he was
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: loading up the gun to throw it deep to Moss
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: and you're watching it on TV, so you can't see
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: Moss down the field, but you're like Moss down there
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: somewhere and he's probably he's probably wide open.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: That was the one game that I went to in
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: O seven, which was actually during the writer strike that's
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: going on again now out in LA Like, I'm like,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: I gotta go back. I got to see this team.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: But I went to the Pittsburgh game, which too, you
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: know famous plays. There was a big one to Moss,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: but there was also the like the triple.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Pass for Radio Moss to Salwarz, and we were me
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: and my sisters were in the second last row of
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: this stadium, so we are like, so you had it
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: was more than the All twenty two. It was like
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: the All Lower Bowl. I mean, you had like all
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: thirty thousand down there, but you could see but you
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: could just see it develop. You're like, oh you could.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: You could tell that Gaffney didn't slow down for a second,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: you know, like it was just it was all right
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: there before you from from that high level.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: So it was pretty cool that that game. So those
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: are a few, yeah, a few random. You know, it's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: hard to really come up playoffs with ones that you
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: don't feel like are famous though, because like all the
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: games we brought up, I'm like, I remember every single
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: one of those. It's hard to be like one gem
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: that you didn't. It's such a product of their dominance
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: that you can, like I always joke about this, like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Patriots seemed to have more games that have names. Yeah,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: you know, and like if it's not like a like
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: you could go in a couple of ways, that New
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Orleans one that the email said, like that to me,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: that's the Kemberrell Tompkins game, because it seemed like that
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: KEMBERL Tompkins ever did that was memorable in any way, right,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: But you know a lot of people would say it's
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: the Unicorn and Chowponies game because that's when lost his mind.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: I have to say that game.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: I was gonna give Zoe credit, like I think that
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: he lost his mind. His call of that of that
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: game winning touchdown is why I think for a lot
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: of people of my generation that were a little bit
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: younger in the beginning part of the dynasty, that game
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: sticks out to all of us so much, and a
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: large part to Zoe's credit because of the call, Like
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: the call was money. And then obviously I think the
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: Red Sox won a World Series game like that same day,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: like it was just a great Boston sports day.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: It was grand against Detroit when they were like five
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: outs away, four outs away.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: From Yeah, and that was just a great Boston sports day.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: And I remember I was in college and my college
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: roommates nobody's from Boston and in my in my friend group,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: and they just hated me that day. They were like,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: this guy's got Brady, he's got our teas hitting grand
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: slams and like they're all just like, you know, wallowing.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: I remember in my office writing after that game when
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: I had the Red Sox on and I was like,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: I just like started yelling obscenities like yeah, I can't
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: believe it. I can't ever believe what. I just like
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: what he just did. And I think that was a lot.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: That was a fun I miss having. It's funny a
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: fun night here, like for all that going on, it's
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: funny to me that we're all talking about like I
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: brought up seven when they were just so dominant, and
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: then you guys brought up thirteen when they turned over
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: all their receivers and you're mentioning Kenbrell Tompkins like being
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: you know, like it's just they could win so many
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: different ways. Well they just say it's such a contrast
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: between those two.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 6: Teams, Like you know, I mean I know, twenty thirteen
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: Patriots weren't, you know, the worst team of the of
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: the last twenty years.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's just they could beat you that
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: way when he had Scrubs and they didn't play great
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: the whole game and then they just kind of pulled
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: a couple drives out at the end, or they could
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: roll you for fifty at you know seven. It's just
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: such a contrast, so many different things to appreciate that.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: Same strive, the game winning driving. People like say like, oh,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: what's your argument for Brady being to go? And I'm like,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 5: other than obvious, say the Super Bowls and stuffs, like
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: he led a touch game winning touchdown drive with Austin Colley, KEMBERL. Tompkins,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: Aaron Dobbson like who, Like you don't know who? Like
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: that's the thing is, Look, I I don't want to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: get at the whole thing. But like Peyton like played
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: with other Hall of famers around him a lot, okay
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: and Brady.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: But he also did it with Austin.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: But those but those guys were were not you know,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: he had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison before that, but
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: then he had Austin Colly and Peter top receiver and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: he's a great player to not trying on Peyton, but
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: it just that he had. Brady had that ability to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: elevate people around him, no question. And I look at
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: you know, again not to go on the whole Celtics rant,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: but I look at like some of the athletes that
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: we have in Boston now that are great players at
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: their sports, but guys like Ortiz, guys like Brady, like
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: these guys just don't have that, Like they don't have
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: the Jason Tatum has generational talent, maybe, but he doesn't
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: have that like ability to just pull Austin Colly and
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: Ken Broo Tompkins to a game winning drive. And you know,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: those types of moments are David Ortiz when everybody knows
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: that David ortis about to hit a Grand Slam and
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: tie the game, and he did it, like he just
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: does it.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: I felt similar about the Patriots defense in the early
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: two thousands of you know, not at the level of what.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Brady became, but just I always had such confidence. I've
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: talked about it with Rabel too, like similar kind of thing,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: like you just knew these guys have been in all
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: these situations and I just feel confident no matter who
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: they're going up against, they're gonna be a tough matchup
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: for whoever.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: The Eagle Super Bowl is exactly that to me. The
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: first Eagles Super Bowl obviously, that was a touchdown game, right,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: like they they were only up a touchdown.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: Oh and they probably should have been losing by more
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: right earlier in the game. I thought Philly really outplayed
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: them in the first half. But I totally know where
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: you're gonna where you're going with this. I never, for once,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: not a second thought the Patriots were gonna lose that game.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: And I never really even thought they were in trouble.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: No, and they that drive that Rod Harrison has the
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: pick to see it basically seal the game. That was
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: a touchdown game, right, And it never once did it.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: Donn on mean that Donovan mcnabbles.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: It was twenty four to twenty one.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: I never in months did I think that Donavan mcnabble
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: is going to march down the field and win the
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: game for Philly.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: No, No, I know one time, right, and then he
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: felt the same way when Eli Manning got put in
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: a similar situation. You know, at the end of the day,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: that game and you're like, all right, like just close
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: it out. I mean, everybody just pictures Rodney Harrison intercep
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: of the running like I'll take it like on the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: other side. And sometimes when he didn't do it, so yo,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: I Manning scores a touchdown they were down three. I
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: just said, okay, it's like thirty seconds left, talk twenty six,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: whatever it was, he'll get a field goal. Yeah, And
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe they just threw bombs like the first
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: couple of plays. Now one of them like almost got completed.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: But that still haunts me to this day. How come
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: I just like, why wouldn't you just continue to do
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: what you always do and run like these fifteen yard
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: crosses with Wes Welker, and yeah, call time out, get
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: out of bounds, do whatever you need to do, and
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: let's lift the fight another the show it always takes.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: I thought they would, you know, to you a point
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: like the confidence that you had in the defense. I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: had such confidence in that offense. I never never thought
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: that game was gonna end there. I said, go to
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: overtime and see what happens. Four Then then when they
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: you know, when when they sacked him on the first play,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: I kind of said, maybe it's just not meant to be. Yeah,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: and then against uh, Carolina, like Carolina was in that game,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: Carolina I thought could win the game.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: Carolina was squarely in that game, and yet somehow they
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: it just felt like they always figured it out. And then,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: of course, as you reminded me of O seven, they
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: did not.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna like pretend like that. The Eagles
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: game in four, I never thought they were going to
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: lose the game the year before, when Carolina kept coming back,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: kept coming back, I thought that game play. I thought
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: that game could have gone either way.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: If you're like my age or younger in Patriots fans
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: listening to this, go back and watch the Carolina Patriots
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: Super bowlts on YouTube. It's it's a dense version of
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: it actually on YouTube, so you don't even have to
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: watch commercials. That is an all time great game, just
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: a game in NFL history, a.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: Weird game of the contrast of scoring in the first
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: fourteen to ten in the second, no scoring in the third,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: ends up thirty twenty nine, right just to it always
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: gets missed.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: I think because Carolina wasn't like this, you know, it
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: didn't They didn't have this great quarterback or it wasn't
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: a great Carolina team in theory, but that's one of
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: the best Super Bowls I think that that's ever been played.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, Julius Peppers, I know that those guys just
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: I remember hearing from some of the Patriots guys talking
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: about that Super Bowl just how tough Carolina was, Like
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: they just they were a big Chris Jenkins.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: Was it, Brentson Buckner, Chris Peppers, Peppers, they had Dan Morgan,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: I think there, Uh, they had some players there that defense.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: Steve Smith. Manning was not Daniel Moosen, Muhammed That's what
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: it was. Ricky Manning. Ricky I loved and I still
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: love Smith, Steve Smith. Yeah, Muhammad had like an eighty
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: seven yard touchdown. Yeah, that was a play that he's
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: stiff armed Eugene Wilson. I know, I've told this story
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: on the on the radio many times and Fred and
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: he got hurt on the play, and Fred insisted that
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: Wilson wasn't hurt and he was just embarrassed that he
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: gave up a touchdown and got stiff armed. He ended
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: up not returning to the game, having surgery to repair
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: a torn groin. I believe, and Fred still to this
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: day insists that it wasn't a real injury and he
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: was just all for effect.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: He played the long I think that's still the longest
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: touchdown from scrimmage in Super Bowl history.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: I want to say eighty seven years just like that.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: But that was and that was the first time the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Patriots were trailing in something like ten games. And the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: last time they had been trailing prior to that was
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: in the same stadium against Houston, like in November of
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: that year. And that was in the midstime before I
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: was tired. Was that what it was? Yes, they topped
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: out of that team was domin They kept running out out.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: Let's grab a couple of emails here as we rolled
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: down the final stretch from Jerry North, Carolina.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: Just about the rookie wide receivers.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: If the two new wide receiver rookies show they can
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: contribute to the offense early in camp, can we package
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: Devontae Parker and Kendrick Bourne and a fourth to Denver
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: for Jerry Judy and a late round pick.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: These are these are like the trade machine things right,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: your trade has been rejected. We're getting a little wonky,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: but we did talk.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: About guys that maybe could be moved, and I know
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: Kendrick Bourne came up and I mentioned just as we
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: went to break of, we saw what Shack Mason just
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: got another nice three year, good money deal, solid for him,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: Maybe a little bit of an indication of what Michael
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: and Win is going to potentially get next offseason. You've
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: got a couple, I mean, all three of these rookies
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: could probably play guard. Uh if one of them really pops,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: do you do you swing on Minu for something? That's
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 6: that's my question right now, maybe as a trade bait guy.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: And I know you hate it, Evan, No, I don't
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: hate it.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: Well, if one of them pups is a key part
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: of that, Like I don't want to trade him right now,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: right right, but like you get into training camp and
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: somebody has an injury City Sow looks like he's every
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: bit as good as Michael Owenu. I'm not opposed to that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if there's one guy out of that twenty twenty
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: draft class, dugg or uj Onu, I don't mind parting
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: ways with it's right. I mean he's the guard, Like,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: that's fine. My whole argument with them is just I
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: said is off air, there's no reason that Kyle Dugger
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: should not have a second contract with the Patriots. Like
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: there's he's done everything, He's checked every single box, he's developed,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: he's been on an upward ascension now for a couple
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: of years. He's a good football player. You drafted a
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: good football player, and you shouldn't let those types of
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: guys walk. I think it's more complicated because of his
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: role and lack of three down versatility and things like that,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: but I would throw him in that same category as
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: well that I feel like he has been somebody that
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: especially if he has a good year this year, I
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: would aspect that they should retain him now on WHENU
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: I can take it or leave it on him a
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: great football player, like really good guard. But Alix, I
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: think they learned, maybe they're lesson a little bit with
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: hoping with Joe Toney and Jack Mason that investing big
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: cap dollars, especially in guards is really not where you
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: want to allocate your resource, especially when you use the
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: first round pick on the left guard. So now you
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: have a first round pick at left guard, you have
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: a ten million dollar right guard. At some point you
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: need to spread the assets around a little bit more.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: I want to make a better argument for Uch because
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: I just and like, I know everything you said. I mean,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: he's not a full time player, but I do think
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: that in today's NFL, it's I look at it a
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: little bit different than I might have, say in twenty eleven,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: when they kind of have Mark Anderson in as like
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: kind of in that role. I would say, like it
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  Speaker 6: was and I know he got elevated to playing starting
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  Speaker 6: defensive end after Andre Carter got hurt, but as you know,
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  Speaker 6: a designated pass rusher essentially, like you need those guys
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  Speaker 6: like you need an athlete like josh Uja coming off
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  Speaker 6: the edge.
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  Speaker 3: I just I find it.
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  Speaker 6: Hard to It's just I know, you got to find
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  Speaker 6: what money makes sense. And if he turns in a
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  Speaker 6: twelve sax season this year, even if it's largely you know,
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  Speaker 6: feeding off of the team defense and just kind of
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  Speaker 6: being the finisher, I just I think the biggest thing
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  Speaker 6: for me is what Evan.
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  Speaker 3: Said, You drafted this kid, you developed him. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of these guys. You want to have
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  Speaker 3: some continuity in the locker room and guys who you
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  Speaker 3: know can kind of carry the culture forward year to year.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to have you already lost mccordy this year,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably gonna lose Slater. If not this year, you
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  Speaker 3: know within the next year or two. So I there
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  Speaker 3: haven't been a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot of draft hits, and I just I struggle for
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  Speaker 6: as much as I can say, he's not an every
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  Speaker 6: down player, and he'll get paid somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I agree. I'm less worried about him not being
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  Speaker 3: an every down player as I am him not being
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  Speaker 3: what we saw in the last eight weeks. Yeah, now
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  Speaker 3: I'm fully ready to say, hey, look, I he was
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  Speaker 3: a late bloomer, took him a while, maybe he was
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  Speaker 3: banged up a little bit, first couple of years, came
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  Speaker 3: into his own and if that's what I see this year,
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you, Mike. Yeah, I'm less worried about him
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  Speaker 3: being a full time player because I think that role
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  Speaker 3: is very valuable, especially in today's NFL.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're playing I mean you're you're not playing a
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  Speaker 6: lot of snaps, but you're playing the most critical down
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  Speaker 6: in the game.
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  Speaker 3: What do you pay for it is the question? And
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  Speaker 3: that's why you know the Shaq Mason deal. It was
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  Speaker 3: a three for thirty six. I'd sign up for that
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  Speaker 3: for for a WHENU. Yeah, I don't think that's what
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  Speaker 3: when you will sign for because the the free agents
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  Speaker 3: in their prime are going to get like deals that
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: are twice that size. Ye, and that I would say,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to step back and say whatever it said.
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  Speaker 3: I learned from Tuney and Mason, two really really good
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  Speaker 3: players played at a very high level for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: We re signed them. And it's not really the difference
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  Speaker 3: between winning a Super Bowl or not, Like I can
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  Speaker 3: I can get by with lesser at that position and
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  Speaker 3: save money. Now, on one hand, I say you can
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  Speaker 3: save money. If I thought they were just going to spend,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. But I do think it matters. Like
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  Speaker 3: everybody's got a budget, and I think it matters, so
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  Speaker 3: I want to spend more Wisely.
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  Speaker 6: Stevie just had to he emailed in just to agree
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  Speaker 6: with you, Evan. If you haven't seen Panthers Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 6: go check it out. Great game, especially the variable touchdown
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  Speaker 6: fourth quarter was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: That is in fact true.
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  Speaker 5: It's also fun to watch those games now because you
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  Speaker 5: know that they win. There's the stress of them potentially
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  Speaker 5: losing the game.
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  Speaker 3: Is no longer. I always like when I watch games
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  Speaker 3: back then, you know, because I was here every day,
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  Speaker 3: every game. And you remember like when Mike said that
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: he talked to a guy who was an undrafted free
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: agent and he said TC Taylor. I remember TC taylorah
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: from training Campy time came. When you go back and
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: watch that game, you see guys that you've never thought
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  Speaker 3: of in fifteen years, never once. Yeah, And the guy
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  Speaker 3: that always sticks out in that game for me is
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: Sean Mayer, who when they lost like nine thousand safety,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: they lost Wilson, they lost Rodney, they just had to
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: put that was the version of Nate Ebe. We had
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: to finish the game at safety. Sean Mayor undrafted rookie
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: I want to sign out John Mayor Sean Sean Mayer.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was out of Penn State. And I'm
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: a thirty night. When I watched that second look what
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  Speaker 3: I was like, who the heck is that?
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  Speaker 11: You know?
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  Speaker 3: We keep on nexter Reid?
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  Speaker 5: No wonder why Carolina put up thirty points in the
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: fourth course.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, that was that was part of it.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: That was absolutely part of it. All right, that's gonna
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: do it for us? Becky pro don't go anywhere. The catch.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: Twenty two guys are up next talking more football for
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  Speaker 3: the next couple of hours, and uh, that'll do it
• 2:00:35
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