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Brian Gerrish | A Thousand Words (Part 1 of 3) · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: I was getting the middle of the night phone calls
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Speaker 1: and knocks on my front door, and then the thing
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Speaker 1: where it started to get very interesting, and last year,
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Speaker 1: for the first time ever, I decided to talk publicly
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Speaker 1: about it. Was when I started to experience information being
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Speaker 1: given to me which then led to me having an
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Speaker 1: interaction with an amazing lady in Cornwall. You need to
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Speaker 1: be careful, Brian, because you're poking a stick into some
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Speaker 1: pretty heavy stuff.
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Speaker 2: All right, Brian, Hello, Hello, thanks for inviting us to
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Speaker 2: the UK Column studio. As you know, it's four hours,
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Speaker 2: so we've got a lot of scope to go wherever
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Speaker 2: you want to go with it. To start just as
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Speaker 2: a sort of simple starting point and with a memory
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Speaker 2: that I have of inviting you down to Brighton probably
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Speaker 2: fifteen for a long time, seventeen years ago, I don't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: do you remember the coming to Brighton? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking in the pub, yeah, with Mike, wasn't it.
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Speaker 2: And I made a few friends that night that I'm
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Speaker 2: still in touch with and you know, are still still
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Speaker 2: on this. Say it's good. How did you get to
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Speaker 2: that point?
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Speaker 1: Well, probably we need to qualify it and say that
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Speaker 1: that's going back twenty years plus, let's say it would
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Speaker 1: probably be about twenty four years ago. It was because
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Speaker 1: the UK Column has been going for twenty years. This
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Speaker 1: year January twenty twenty six was twenty years of the
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Speaker 1: UK Column. So for me, the story started before there
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Speaker 1: was any media aspect to it, and there's a few
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Speaker 1: very old YouTube videos of me talking about the early days.
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Speaker 1: But in essence it was being in Plymouth working in
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Speaker 1: a normal job. So I was involved in a business
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Speaker 1: surveying and quantity surveying job that was also doing environmental
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Speaker 1: impact studies and energy management, and I got interested in
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Speaker 1: plans in Plymouth to redevelop regenerate some of the poorer
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Speaker 1: parts of the city, in particular Devonport, which is an
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Speaker 1: area around the old which is around the naval base,
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Speaker 1: but in particular Devenport is around the original naval base
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Speaker 1: going back to sailing ship days, and I began to
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Speaker 1: realize that in the community there was some interesting people.
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Speaker 1: They were also concerned about the fact that it had
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Speaker 1: got to the stage where families had been long term unemployed.
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Speaker 1: Young people were starting to get out of control with
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Speaker 1: disruption on the streets and setting fire to cars and
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Speaker 1: things and really the in coming into contact with some
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Speaker 1: of these people, I was interested in their stories and
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Speaker 1: also how we might help them, and together with another
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Speaker 1: ex navy man called Sandy, we got interested in the
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Speaker 1: idea of trying to help some of these youngsters build
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Speaker 1: boats inside the old naval base, the historic part of
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Speaker 1: the naval base, and we got it set up as
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Speaker 1: far as having a unit, and we had a container
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Speaker 1: set up as a workshop, and we did actually put
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Speaker 1: the keel down for for a small rowing boat basically,
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Speaker 1: and then strange things started to happen, and it was
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Speaker 1: clear that to us that certain people in the city
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Speaker 1: were trying to frustrate what we were doing and do
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Speaker 1: an certain extent warn us off. And it was at
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Speaker 1: this point that we began to look into the whole
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Speaker 1: of the regeneration program in Plymouth. It was inherently linked
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Speaker 1: into European money, right, and what we came to realize
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Speaker 1: was that there was a lot of European money coming
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Speaker 1: into Plymouth and it was being misappropriated basically, so it
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Speaker 1: was being the funding pot that came in was being
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Speaker 1: broken up into smaller amounts and then that was disappearing
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Speaker 1: into people's projects and pockets. And when I started to
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Speaker 1: speak about that, it was very clear, very quickly that
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Speaker 1: I had become very unpopular in the city.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that project that you were setting up, was
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Speaker 2: that a charitable project or a business project.
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Speaker 1: No, that was to be a completely charitable project. And
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Speaker 1: the interesting thing was if we ticked it off against
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Speaker 1: a sort of scoring system that was being used by
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Speaker 1: Plymouth City Council and a lot of the funding agencies,
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Speaker 1: it did everything because it was creating jobs, it was
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Speaker 1: helping deprived areas, it was giving trade skills, it was
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Speaker 1: giving all sorts of things. And ultimately we'd come up
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Speaker 1: with the idea of trying to rebuild HMS Beagle, which
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Speaker 1: was the naval vessel that took Charles Darwin to see
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Speaker 1: for his around the World Voyager discovery. And it interesting
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Speaker 1: h MIS Beagle had come into Devenport before that trip
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Speaker 1: in order to be refitted, and there were a lot
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Speaker 1: of naval records and genealogical records showing that many members
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Speaker 1: of the local Devenport community had actually been crew members
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Speaker 1: on board the vessels. So there was all of this
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Speaker 1: brilliant opportunity, but it was all smashed to pieces by
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Speaker 1: people who appeared to be jealous of what we were
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Speaker 1: doing and all. They got very nervous when we started
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Speaker 1: to discover the fraud and corruption going on.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so at that point, did you you get the
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Speaker 2: hebgbis at all? Did you think what am I dealing with? Here? No?
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Speaker 1: Definitely thought what on earth am I dealing with? But
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Speaker 1: the big advantage for me at that time was that
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Speaker 1: I was I had this other other guy, Sandy, another
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Speaker 1: X Navy man who was working with me. And the
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Speaker 1: huge advantage of this was when weird and strange stuff happened,
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Speaker 1: you could speak to somebody and bounce ideas off. I
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Speaker 1: can imagine looking back that if I'd have been completely
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Speaker 1: on my own, it would have been much tougher.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
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Speaker 1: We basically stood up and did our best to fight
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Speaker 1: back about what was happening. But via a strange set
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Speaker 1: of circumstances, we also came up with the idea of
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Speaker 1: printing a new sheet to talk about what was happening.
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Speaker 2: What are the strange set of circumstances?
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Speaker 1: Well, not only the fraud and corruption, but the fact,
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Speaker 1: you know, we clearly got threats which might come through
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Speaker 1: emails or I was getting the middle of the night
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Speaker 1: phone calls and knocks on my front.
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Speaker 2: Door, okay traceable or just an no.
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Speaker 1: Never traceable. The worst one for me was that they
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Speaker 1: put used hypodermic needles in the flower baskets at the
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Speaker 1: front of my house.
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Speaker 2: And children that were living with your children at very
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Speaker 2: young children.
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Speaker 1: And for Sandy there was an arson attempt. A fire
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Speaker 1: was set against what they thought was his front door,
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Speaker 1: but it was actually the neighbour's front door. But together
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Speaker 1: with this, when we realized that the people were somehow
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Speaker 1: coordinating each other and working together, that was the point
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Speaker 1: at which we discovered what I still regard as a
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Speaker 1: very pernicious charity called Common Purpose. And it was clear
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Speaker 1: to us that many of the people that we felt
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Speaker 1: could be implemented could be implicated in what was happening
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Speaker 1: to us. We're also involved with this ay Common Purpose,
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Speaker 1: and it ended up where not only did we start
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Speaker 1: producing the Embryonic UK column news sheet, which was an
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Speaker 1: A four sheet we initially put out, we started to
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Speaker 1: talk to other people about the works of Common Purpose and.
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Speaker 2: So how did how did that feel when you were
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Speaker 2: been You're getting calls in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 2: That's not that's not something that a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people at that point were just they
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Speaker 2: just throw the towel and they just shut up. Well,
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Speaker 2: especially if we've got a young family.
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Speaker 1: Curiosity killed the cat. I was curious about it, right,
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Speaker 1: So on one hand you can say it's a bit disturbing,
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Speaker 1: but on the other hand, I'd never experienced end a
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Speaker 1: thing like it, and I just wanted to dig into
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Speaker 1: what it was. So that was going on, and then
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Speaker 1: the thing where it started to get very interesting, and
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Speaker 1: last year, for the first time ever, I decided to
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Speaker 1: talk publicly about it. Was when I started to experience
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Speaker 1: information being given to me, which then led to me
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Speaker 1: having an interaction with an amazing lady in Cornwall who
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Speaker 1: basically said I was going to go on a journey.
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Speaker 1: That's a specific story.
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Speaker 2: Well, I remember when you came to Brighton. It was
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Speaker 2: very much we could say three D world. And then
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Speaker 2: at the end someone asked you a question. It always
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Speaker 2: stuck with me, and you told the story about I
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Speaker 2: think two or three different people had corroborated they'd seen
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Speaker 2: a similar thing when they saw you, which was I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you remember two beings, two guardians or
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Speaker 2: beings or angels, whatever you call them. But that really
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Speaker 2: stuck with me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you you've prompted me there actually, because there's stuff
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Speaker 1: that is so far you know, it's in the past
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Speaker 1: now that I forget things. Well, that that came about
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Speaker 1: because basically I went to talk to a very nice
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Speaker 1: couple down in Cornwall who were also realizing strange stuff
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Speaker 1: was going on. And so it was a husband and
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Speaker 1: wife and I met them right down at the tip
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Speaker 1: of Cornwall and we had a discussion about what was
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Speaker 1: happening in the country. A lot of it was politics,
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Speaker 1: but I said, in my opinion, there was some much deeper,
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Speaker 1: darker things going on. And at a particular point, the
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Speaker 1: husband said to me, you need to be careful, Brian,
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Speaker 1: because you're poking a stick into some pretty heavy stuff.
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Speaker 1: And immediately the man said it, his wife said, oh, no,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't. I said why and she said, well, because
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Speaker 1: you have two Guardian angels with you. And this was
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Speaker 1: very undu usual language and anybody that I normally associated with,
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Speaker 1: and she said that to me. She also said they
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Speaker 1: were both very big whatever she could see. And I
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Speaker 1: forgot about it until I went to another talk with
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Speaker 1: a small group of people and I was talking to
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Speaker 1: a lady and she said to me, without any prompting,
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Speaker 1: do you realize that you've got somebody with you? And
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Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? And she said, well,
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Speaker 1: you've got somebody protecting you. And I said, well, a
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Speaker 1: lady said to me, there's two, and she said, well,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you there's three. So from that and yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will say to you and to anybody that happens
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Speaker 1: to listen in to what's happening today that the time
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Speaker 1: that happened, that was very different language and conversations too,
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Speaker 1: you know, my life to that point because in the establishment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, both you and Charles come
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Speaker 2: from that military background, and there was a lot we
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Speaker 2: could talk about that. But it's it's interesting because a
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Speaker 2: lot of the the way most of the people I
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Speaker 2: know who've got into this kind of way of thinking
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Speaker 2: questioning what's going on, have come through sorry, I've come
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Speaker 2: through a more.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, alternative lifestyle.
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Speaker 2: I suppose. So they might started out in the kind
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Speaker 2: of left leaning you know, either musicians or artists or
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Speaker 2: you know, and then and then they start questioning what's
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Speaker 2: going on, and you have that natural I suppose, rebellious
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Speaker 2: kind of no.
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Speaker 1: For me, it was a bit more brutal. I was
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Speaker 1: inside the system, and then when I left, came out
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Speaker 1: of the navy, and I thought, right, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: establish myself as a normal person. Say that with a smile,
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Speaker 1: smile on my face. These very strange things started to happen,
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Speaker 1: and well, we're at the beginning, so I might I
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Speaker 1: might as well tell the Hope story because that well,
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Speaker 1: so I was in an interesting world of the fraud
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Speaker 1: and corruption and threats and common purpose and trying to
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Speaker 1: work out what was going on in life. And I
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Speaker 1: was experiencing reading things in the newspaper that I would
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Speaker 1: find very strange or interesting. And I eventually got to
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Speaker 1: the point where I bought a local newspaper, so a
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Speaker 1: Southwest of England regional newspaper. I bought that on a
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Speaker 1: daily basis because I was just fascinating what I read.
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Speaker 1: And to give give an example of something that caught
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Speaker 1: my attention was on one occasion I read an article
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Speaker 1: which said that the Bishop of Exeter had shared a
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Speaker 1: meeting as to whether there should be elected regional assemblies
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Speaker 1: in UK, and I immediately thought, what is the Bishop
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Speaker 1: of Exeter doing getting involved in what was clearly a
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Speaker 1: heavy political meeting, absolutely tied in with the European Union,
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Speaker 1: because the regionalization of UK was EU policy. And I
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Speaker 1: rang the bishop and of course I didn't get to
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Speaker 1: speak to him, but I spoke to his lady pa
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Speaker 1: and I asked about what he was doing and why,
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Speaker 1: and she was a bit guarded, but she eventually said
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Speaker 1: to me there's another lady. I'll speak to her and
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Speaker 1: she will speak to you. And I said, okay, that's fine,
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Speaker 1: and she said she'll give you a call. Well, I
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Speaker 1: think about three weeks went past and I almost forgot
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Speaker 1: the phone call, and then one afternoon, at about two
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Speaker 1: o'clock I got a call and it was this lady
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Speaker 1: to answer questions about the Bishop of Exeter and elected
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Speaker 1: regional assemblies. And she told me things which didn't quite
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Speaker 1: add up to me, and I said, eventually, well, can
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Speaker 1: I ask what your relationship is to the diocese of
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Speaker 1: the bishop and she said, oh, I'm a senior labor
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Speaker 1: activist and I said that's interesting, So why is the
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Speaker 1: Labor party involved with the Bishop of Exeter? And this
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Speaker 1: was not taken very well, and very quickly she closed
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Speaker 1: the conversation down and it was obvious she didn't want
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Speaker 1: to talk to me, and later I was to really
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Speaker 1: understand who this woman was because her name was Joe Moore,
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Speaker 1: and she eventually became infamous for saying on nine to
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Speaker 1: eleven today is a good day to very bad news either.
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Speaker 1: Any bad news circulating inside the Labor Party should be
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Speaker 1: released on that day because it would be obscured by
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Speaker 1: the events in New York and the Twin Towers. So
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Speaker 1: she said that publicly, yeah, well, well no, her memo
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Speaker 1: was leaked and then she was all over the press.
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Speaker 1: But I just found it interesting that a woman of
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Speaker 1: that sort of capability should be working with a senior
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Speaker 1: man of the Church of England on a political objective.
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Speaker 1: So things like that were happening. But the key part
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Speaker 1: of the story was that one summer morning I was
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Speaker 1: in my kitchen having a cup of tea and the
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Speaker 1: phone rang, the landline rang. Do you remember those.
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Speaker 2: I don't know?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And a man said to me, Brian be unspoken
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Speaker 1: for a long time, in fact, it was several years,
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Speaker 1: and he said, I don't really know why I'm calling you,
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Speaker 1: but I thought you should know this, and he gave
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Speaker 1: me a little package of information about fraud and corruption,
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Speaker 1: which was interesting, and we had a little bit of
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Speaker 1: conversation and then he said I've got to go. Well
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Speaker 1: within two minutes the phone rang again, and basically in
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Speaker 1: the course of about forty minutes, I think it was
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Speaker 1: eleven calls. I took one after the other, landline, landline, mobile, phone, mobile,
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Speaker 1: Fan Lineland, and each time it was somebody saying to me, effectively,
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Speaker 1: they didn't know why they were calling me, but they
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Speaker 1: needed to tell me something. So that was life really
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Speaker 1: changing from being a member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces.
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Speaker 1: And then about three months after that, I was working
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Speaker 1: at home and the phone rang and it was a
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Speaker 1: friend of mine, known him for many years, an architect
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Speaker 1: called Paul, and he said to me, what are you doing, Brian,
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Speaker 1: And I said, I'm doing some reports and he said, no,
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Speaker 1: you're not. You're going to come and see me. And
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Speaker 1: I said, Paul, I can't. I've got to get these
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Speaker 1: reports done. And he said when can you come and
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Speaker 1: see me? And I said, well, I think I got
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Speaker 1: a free day next week and he said, no, tomorrow
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Speaker 1: and I said why and he said, don't ask me why,
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Speaker 1: just come. So this is a long standing friend and
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Speaker 1: you've got some trust. So I said, well, where am
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Speaker 1: I going to come and he said, I can't think
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Speaker 1: of the name of the place now, but way down
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Speaker 1: in Cornwall. And I said it's too far because it
19:55
Speaker 1: will take me two and a half hours to get
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Speaker 1: down there, and he said, okay, come to my my
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Speaker 1: house in Truro. I asked him again why and he said,
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Speaker 1: don't worry about that, just come. So the next day
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Speaker 1: I almost find myself in my car lovely sunny morning
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Speaker 1: driving to Truro, thinking what are you doing? You know,
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Speaker 1: you've no idea why you've got you're going. I've got
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Speaker 1: better things to do. And when I got to his house,
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Speaker 1: I knocked on the door and a lady opened it,
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Speaker 1: never seen her before, and I said, I'm Brian. I've
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Speaker 1: come to see Paul and she said yes, I know,
20:38
Speaker 1: and I said is he here and she said no,
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Speaker 1: he's out with the dog. So I thought great, I've
20:43
Speaker 1: traveled an hour and half and he's not even here.
20:48
Speaker 1: So I said to her, I'm really not sure why
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Speaker 1: I'm here. And she looked at me and she said, oh,
20:54
Speaker 1: you're here because of me, And I said okay, and
20:58
Speaker 1: she said, would you like to come in. Came in,
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Speaker 1: and she said, would you like a cup of tea?
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Speaker 1: And I said that'd be very nice. I think I
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Speaker 1: need one. And I said, so we've never met before.
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Speaker 1: Why am I here because of you? And she looked
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Speaker 1: at me with a very serious expression, and she said, well,
21:18
Speaker 1: you'll find this a bit strange. But I can have
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Speaker 1: very vivid dreams and sometimes I can hear something in
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Speaker 1: my head, and when this happens, it means I've got
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Speaker 1: a message from God. And I stood there in the
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Speaker 1: kitchen thinking what am I into here? And she said
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Speaker 1: do you want a cup of tea? And so I said, yes,
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Speaker 1: I love a cup of tea.
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Speaker 2: I need one. Yeah. Did you have thoughts of leaving
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Speaker 2: at that point?
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Speaker 1: No, not to leave, But Paul wasn't there anyway, so
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Speaker 1: I was just on my end with her. So he
21:58
Speaker 1: was this strange lady who said, you know, she has
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Speaker 1: dreams and things. So I said to her, okay, so
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Speaker 1: why am I here? And she said, well, I had
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Speaker 1: a dream and you were in the dream. And I
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Speaker 1: immediately said, but you don't know me, and she said,
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Speaker 1: well I do, because Paul talked about you a lot.
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Speaker 1: So she said, you were in the dream. Brian Paul
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Speaker 1: was in the dream and another friend of mine who's
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Speaker 1: also called of hers, who was also called Paul, and
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Speaker 1: she said it was an immensely powerful dream and that
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Speaker 1: usually means I've got a message. And I said, okay,
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Speaker 1: what's the message? And she looked at me and she said, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I don't know, okay. I mean it
22:48
Speaker 1: was bizarre. It was utterly bizarre. So I said to her,
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Speaker 1: tell me about yourself, and she produced the tea and
22:56
Speaker 1: we sat down at the table, and then she told
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Speaker 1: a story about being a single mum. She'd had quite
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Speaker 1: quite a tough life with her two children, and eventually
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Speaker 1: she started to tell me about creating a project which
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Speaker 1: was called the Reminiscence Project where primary school children were
23:17
Speaker 1: infants were put together with elderly people in Cornwall, and
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Speaker 1: the elderly people would recount their lives and their work
23:27
Speaker 1: to the children and it was very popular. The schools
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Speaker 1: loved it, the children loved it, the people loved it,
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Speaker 1: and so it started to grow. And Jackie then said
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Speaker 1: to me, and then a lady approached her and said
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Speaker 1: she could help maybe get some funding, and Jackie said,
23:48
Speaker 1: this would be helpful. To her because everything else had
23:51
Speaker 1: been done on the shoe string. And she said, the
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Speaker 1: lady got involved, and then I started to have problems.
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Speaker 1: People came fractious around me, and things started to break
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Speaker 1: down and problem started. And then she started to recount
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Speaker 1: a particular problem, which I'm not going to share because
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Speaker 1: some of it was her talking about quite personal things.
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Speaker 1: But she got to a point where I said, I
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Speaker 1: will tell you what happened next. And she looked at
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Speaker 1: me and said, well, how are you going to tell
24:26
Speaker 1: me what happened next? And I said, well, let me
24:29
Speaker 1: see whether I get it right. So I told her
24:33
Speaker 1: what I thought happened next, and she was quite astonished
24:36
Speaker 1: and said that's exactly what happened. And I then said
24:40
Speaker 1: to hell, well, this is this is happening all over
24:44
Speaker 1: the country, that people doing good things are being attacked
24:47
Speaker 1: and good projects are being broken down.
24:49
Speaker 2: And did a lot resonate with what you'd experienced she'd experienced.
24:53
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is why I could tell it so
24:55
Speaker 1: accurately what actually happened. And so I said, this is
24:59
Speaker 1: happening across the country, and I'm talking to other people
25:02
Speaker 1: who are seeing it, and I think we need to
25:05
Speaker 1: get out there and warn people about it. And the
25:08
Speaker 1: moment I'd said that, her whole demeanor changed and she
25:15
Speaker 1: then said to me, in a female but quite authoritative voice, Oh, yes,
25:21
Speaker 1: you should get out and travel, and you must meet
25:25
Speaker 1: people and teach and tell them what's going on. And
25:30
Speaker 1: then she suddenly said, oh, I'm sorry, I get carried away.
25:34
Speaker 1: And I describe it like this because it's how I felt.
25:37
Speaker 1: I then said to her, You've just given me the message,
25:42
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking, why did you say that? And so
25:51
Speaker 1: there was this very powerful message that I was to
25:54
Speaker 1: get out and help people understand what was happening in
25:57
Speaker 1: the country and what was happening to them. My friend
26:01
Speaker 1: came back in shortly afterwards, and after that we had
26:06
Speaker 1: a very interesting conversation and then I got to the
26:10
Speaker 1: point where I needed to get back home. So I
26:13
Speaker 1: end up in the car and I'm driving on this
26:16
Speaker 1: beautiful sunny day back from Cornwall, and into my brain
26:21
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a joke against myself really,
26:24
Speaker 1: because the thought came, I'm not trained for this. I'm
26:28
Speaker 1: a military guy. I said, okay, I'm not trained for this,
26:31
Speaker 1: and as that thought came into my head, my very
26:34
Speaker 1: old fashioned mobile phone won't beat deep, which was a message,
26:39
Speaker 1: And when I got home, the message was a little
26:42
Speaker 1: biblical verse from Jackie, and when I looked it up,
26:46
Speaker 1: it in a way answered that little concern in my head.
26:53
Speaker 1: And then over the next few weeks and a few months,
26:56
Speaker 1: if ever I felt I needed some guidance or help
27:02
Speaker 1: in what I started to do, the phone would go
27:05
Speaker 1: be deep and it would be another of these texts
27:08
Speaker 1: from Jackie. Uncanny. And the next strange thing that happened
27:18
Speaker 1: after this event in Gormal was that one Saturday morning,
27:23
Speaker 1: there was a knock on my front door and I
27:26
Speaker 1: opened it and there was a very big man that
27:28
Speaker 1: I knew, called Ted, and he was holding an overhead projector,
27:34
Speaker 1: you know the ones where you have the old ascetate
27:37
Speaker 1: sheet on top. And I said, Ted, what are you
27:39
Speaker 1: doing here? And he said, I'm not too sure really,
27:42
Speaker 1: but my wife and I were cleaning out some stuff
27:45
Speaker 1: and we thought you would need this, and he handed
27:49
Speaker 1: me the overhead projector and I took it, feeling very surprised,
27:53
Speaker 1: and I said, come and have a cup of tea,
27:55
Speaker 1: and he said I can't because I've got to get home.
27:58
Speaker 1: Stay there, I'll get the screen and then five minutes
28:03
Speaker 1: later he's gone in my hall as an overhead projector
28:07
Speaker 1: and a screen. And this prompted me to give a
28:11
Speaker 1: public talk. And two weeks later I gave a talk
28:16
Speaker 1: in my village to seventeen people and at midnight I
28:20
Speaker 1: couldn't get rid of them. They wouldn't go home, so
28:23
Speaker 1: I was trying to get them out of the village hall.
28:25
Speaker 1: And that was the first public talk where I was
28:31
Speaker 1: talking about what I was seeing happening and what it
28:34
Speaker 1: meant and how serious it was. And I've lost track
28:38
Speaker 1: of the number of public talks I've done, but I
28:41
Speaker 1: know it's about three hundred and fifty plus And that
28:45
Speaker 1: was the start of my journey. And together with those
28:49
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28:53
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Speaker 1: Make of that what you like.
29:33
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's fascinating. I mean I was listening
29:35
Speaker 2: to that story on the way down and yeah, so
29:41
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. You've you decided and in the
29:44
Speaker 2: last year or so to be a little bit more
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Speaker 2: open about not open, but to bring that well to
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Speaker 2: the table a little bit, which I think fits in
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Speaker 2: very nicely with what's happening on the big picture. In
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29:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very interesting. I mean the reason I
30:01
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it in the beginning was because I
30:04
Speaker 1: lived I was living this very strange life where things
30:09
Speaker 1: were happening that you couldn't You had to be careful
30:12
Speaker 1: who you talked about, too, because a lot of people
30:14
Speaker 1: couldn't grasp it or wouldn't grasp it, and then it
30:18
Speaker 1: can be construed the wrong way. But I learned very
30:24
Speaker 1: quickly that when I gave public talks, which let's say,
30:32
Speaker 1: were very much based in politics and mad Very often
30:39
Speaker 1: at the end of talk, somebody come up to you,
30:41
Speaker 1: or a group would come up to you, and they'd say,
30:43
Speaker 1: do you think there's more to it than men and politics?
30:47
Speaker 1: And I always said to them, the important thing is
30:52
Speaker 1: there's a spiritual battle going on. But I never felt
30:55
Speaker 1: it was my place to talk from the stage about that,
30:58
Speaker 1: and I never felt it was my place to be
31:02
Speaker 1: what I suppose many people might say was preaching. What
31:07
Speaker 1: I felt I'd been asked to do was to get
31:10
Speaker 1: out and teach people to understand what was happening around them,
31:16
Speaker 1: which is a bit of a broader baseline. So I
31:23
Speaker 1: was on a journey myself, and I felt it was
31:26
Speaker 1: better to stick to basic things from the stage rather
31:30
Speaker 1: than to get into spiritual things. But as time has
31:34
Speaker 1: gone on, it's and particularly in recent years, it's very
31:40
Speaker 1: clear that many people are desperately searching for a spiritual anchor,
31:49
Speaker 1: and it's become much much easier to talk about these things,
31:53
Speaker 1: which is why, really out of the blue last year,
31:56
Speaker 1: I was prompted to give the talk about that. My
32:02
Speaker 1: start to give that talk to a public audience in Hope, Sussex.
32:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it mirrors a lot of people's
32:12
Speaker 2: experience that this might start might start out as a
32:18
Speaker 2: what's going on out there in the world, and they
32:22
Speaker 2: see some kind of corruption or they see that things
32:25
Speaker 2: aren't as as they should be, and then before too long,
32:31
Speaker 2: where does that lead you? Yeah, whiles you're asking the
32:34
Speaker 2: deeper questions about the big picture, doesn't it? It always
32:38
Speaker 2: has to it does.
32:40
Speaker 1: The The other thing that there's for me, there's always
32:44
Speaker 1: been a thread coming. It's feedback from the wider audiences
32:50
Speaker 1: that I've talked to is that I would get a
32:53
Speaker 1: lot I still do get them. I get emails from
32:56
Speaker 1: people who clearly have woken up to the basics of
33:00
Speaker 1: bad people, fraud and corrutch and bent politicians, whatever it is.
33:04
Speaker 1: But they are aware that there's something darker with it,
33:09
Speaker 1: and they sometimes they can't quite find the words to
33:15
Speaker 1: express what they're experiencing or feeling, but they will talk
33:21
Speaker 1: about feeling under pressure. Very often they're fearful. And an
33:29
Speaker 1: email I had the other day from somebody actually quite local,
33:33
Speaker 1: and they said to me, we feel we're under a
33:38
Speaker 1: spiritual attack. And they had come to me asking you know,
33:45
Speaker 1: whether I could effectively give them some advice, And that
33:51
Speaker 1: in itself is pretty amazing for me, because I've never
33:56
Speaker 1: put myself forward to be somebody trained in that sort
34:01
Speaker 1: of thing. But I do have some understanding now which
34:05
Speaker 1: I didn't in the beginning. And for me, it's very
34:10
Speaker 1: clear that we're involved in a spiritual war, and whatever
34:15
Speaker 1: you think you're doing with regard to the day to
34:19
Speaker 1: day battle with people and politics, you can only really
34:24
Speaker 1: deal with it if you start to realize that actually
34:26
Speaker 1: there's something much bigger happening.
34:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, essentially everything that happens out there is
34:33
Speaker 2: a reflection, is it not of what's going on within
34:37
Speaker 2: each of our individual souls?
34:42
Speaker 1: I would say so absolutely. And I've had some really
34:54
Speaker 1: interesting experiences with people from our sort of church community
34:59
Speaker 1: in the and in the quite early days, I did
35:04
Speaker 1: think it was sensible to sort of go to some
35:07
Speaker 1: of the church communities for some help and guidance, and
35:12
Speaker 1: my initial experience was that those people were not going
35:16
Speaker 1: to give either were ill equipped to give any guidance
35:20
Speaker 1: or and or did not want to engage. So my
35:24
Speaker 1: initial experience was being rejected. Although I do remember a
35:29
Speaker 1: very nice group of church elders who said, well, we
35:36
Speaker 1: can't really help you, but we think you're on a
35:39
Speaker 1: journey and we'll say some prayers for you. And that
35:43
Speaker 1: was I respected that because they were honest, and who knows,
35:49
Speaker 1: maybe what they did actually had a beneficial effect.
35:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think increasingly there's a point that people are
36:04
Speaker 2: getting to where they they've realized that there's an agenda
36:11
Speaker 2: and they've realized that they're being lied to. Yeah, and
36:16
Speaker 2: then and then the obvious question is what what can
36:19
Speaker 2: I do about it? And you know, I see it.
36:23
Speaker 2: I see it when when I've been at talks and
36:28
Speaker 2: people in the in the truth, the kind of movement
36:32
Speaker 2: in the community of the talking heads, you know, some
36:35
Speaker 2: of the people that people look up to and they'll
36:38
Speaker 2: ask and say, what can we do about it? What
36:40
Speaker 2: can we do about it? Should we be doing this?
36:41
Speaker 2: Should we be doing that? Should we do And it's
36:43
Speaker 2: still an externalization for a lot of people. They're still
36:48
Speaker 2: looking for someone to tell them what to do. Yeah,
36:53
Speaker 2: obviously there are practical things that you know, and suggestions
36:56
Speaker 2: that people can make, practical things that people can do,
36:58
Speaker 2: But essentially, I think until we step away from that,
37:03
Speaker 2: looking for someone else to still we're still looking for
37:07
Speaker 2: an authority figure it in some ways, and I think
37:10
Speaker 2: until we step away from that, I think we're going
37:14
Speaker 2: to keep repeating the same problem.
37:17
Speaker 1: Well, I think this is very true. And if people
37:22
Speaker 1: are wondering, yet, what are we actually talking about? It
37:25
Speaker 1: comes to the point where you realize that if each
37:28
Speaker 1: and every one of us was doing the right thing,
37:31
Speaker 1: what does that mean? That means being loving and caring
37:35
Speaker 1: for other people, being honest, having courage to stand up
37:40
Speaker 1: and defend the right things. This would instantly mean that
37:47
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have these problems. And so the initial part
37:52
Speaker 1: that you have to recognize is what's wrong inside you? Yeah,
37:56
Speaker 1: and that then starts to lead you on the fact that, oh,
38:01
Speaker 1: if you get that bit right, then then other things
38:04
Speaker 1: follow from it.
38:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's assuming and and I do assume this,
38:11
Speaker 2: and I assume you assume it. But that is assuming
38:14
Speaker 2: that people intrinsically understand what's right and wrong, that they
38:21
Speaker 2: have it, that they have an innate conscience and the
38:25
Speaker 2: moral compass.
38:29
Speaker 1: The way I see that, because it's it's a very
38:31
Speaker 1: good point, is that while some people don't have a
38:35
Speaker 1: moral compass, and we could describe them as whatever we
38:40
Speaker 1: like psychopaths or bad people or what if it is
38:44
Speaker 1: the overwhelming major majority of people do have a very
38:49
Speaker 1: good built in moral compass and what's right and wrong
38:53
Speaker 1: or they should do what they shouldn't do. That's inside us.
38:58
Speaker 1: And then we are faced with the world where we
39:01
Speaker 1: have a massive attempt to get inside our heads to
39:08
Speaker 1: tell us to do often the opposite to what are
39:13
Speaker 1: moral compass says, so this is where the battle really is.
39:17
Speaker 2: So I think that I think the head that's the
39:19
Speaker 2: crooks of it really is. It's not that people don't
39:22
Speaker 2: understand what's right and wrong. They absolve responsibility, and we
39:27
Speaker 2: can go into why that might be, but the essentially
39:31
Speaker 2: got to the point where they absolve responsibility, they're not
39:34
Speaker 2: acting based on their conscience or soul spirit. They're at there.
39:43
Speaker 2: They are still acting in accordance with what they believe
39:48
Speaker 2: in their head that they've been told. Absolutely, So the
39:55
Speaker 2: solution to all of this mess for me is not
40:00
Speaker 2: necessarily diving more into the details of the deception, but
40:07
Speaker 2: to learn sovereignty, To learn to be a sovereign, which
40:13
Speaker 2: is to do to act on your to know that
40:17
Speaker 2: you are the only authority, and to act on that.
40:25
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know have that No, I
40:28
Speaker 1: think there's there's there's a lot of truth in this.
40:31
Speaker 1: But if we wanted an easy example of you know,
40:35
Speaker 1: you say, let's have a look at something that shows
40:37
Speaker 1: something's wrong is take young children. So young children are
40:44
Speaker 1: taken through a protracted education system, years of education, but
40:50
Speaker 1: are they actually taught the starting point is to be true,
40:55
Speaker 1: is to tell the truth, to love one another, to
40:59
Speaker 1: look on for each other, to be kind. None of
41:02
Speaker 1: these basic good human attributes are reinforced in schools. What
41:08
Speaker 1: young children are now increasingly taught is things which actually
41:13
Speaker 1: destroy their inner moral compass. And this is clearly done deliberately. Yeah,
41:21
Speaker 1: So that that's how I would describe that. And also,
41:25
Speaker 1: we live in a we live in an increasingly noisy
41:28
Speaker 1: and fraught world where a lot of people never really
41:33
Speaker 1: get any peace in their lives where they can be
41:36
Speaker 1: on their own and reflect, you know, who they are
41:39
Speaker 1: and what life's about.
41:42
Speaker 2: So I think it scares a lot of people what.
41:44
Speaker 1: To just be on their own thinking you could be.
41:48
Speaker 2: Right, because it because we're not nurtured in those things,
41:55
Speaker 2: and we've lost we've lost. There's positives and negatives to
42:03
Speaker 2: traditional religion. But we've we've lost that tradition and we're
42:09
Speaker 2: we're rodderless really as a society in terms of our
42:12
Speaker 2: relationship with God or experienced in the divine, whatever you
42:17
Speaker 2: want to call it.
42:17
Speaker 1: That's why you know they as another example around children
42:22
Speaker 1: is hesitates saying my day. I'm a certain age now,
42:26
Speaker 1: But originally at school, schools had assemblies in the morning,
42:32
Speaker 1: and part of assemblies were prayers.
42:37
Speaker 2: Be their name, well, every every day I would have.
42:40
Speaker 1: Lord's Prayers was of course one that people remember and
42:44
Speaker 1: often just repeated, but I can remember that as part
42:51
Speaker 1: of those assemblies, and the prayer section in it, prayers
42:55
Speaker 1: would be said for people in the school or connected
43:00
Speaker 1: with it, who who needed help or support, and so
43:08
Speaker 1: the act of praying and the children joining in that
43:12
Speaker 1: was invariably about trying to help other people. And then
43:17
Speaker 1: of course that's all stripped out of schools, and now
43:20
Speaker 1: we've got to the stage where it's unlawful to pray.
43:25
Speaker 1: You know, you can be put in prison for praying
43:27
Speaker 1: in the wrong place at the wrong time. So it's
43:30
Speaker 1: getting pretty easy to see that the regime that's against
43:35
Speaker 1: us is clearly very frightened of spiritual engagement. So, Jake,
43:41
Speaker 1: I should probably say to you at this stage, So
43:44
Speaker 1: what started you on your journey?
43:49
Speaker 2: Well, I would looking at a friend had bought ten
43:53
Speaker 2: copies of The Truth Set You Free by David Light
43:56
Speaker 2: Okay back in the late nineties, and he gave me
44:01
Speaker 2: one which I read and I remember reading it in
44:06
Speaker 2: this dirty little student hovel. It wasn't an easy read,
44:14
Speaker 2: and particularly that point where I was living and everything right, Yeah,
44:20
Speaker 2: and that that kick started. I won't go into it
44:22
Speaker 2: because I've said it before and people want to hear
44:23
Speaker 2: about you, but yeah, definitely kickstarted a whole process.
44:27
Speaker 1: Well, I should be pressing deeper. And I don't think
44:30
Speaker 1: you've come to the UK an easy ride.
44:35
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was. I was lost. I was early
44:40
Speaker 2: twenties and I realized I didn't know anything, you know,
44:47
Speaker 2: and that was quite quite a shock. And I think
44:52
Speaker 2: that's I think I think that's something that's that everyone
44:56
Speaker 2: goes through in different ways. So there's a there's point
45:00
Speaker 2: where they had that crisis where they go everything I
45:04
Speaker 2: believed and it might happen over a long time, you know,
45:09
Speaker 2: And I know that I needed at that point. I
45:12
Speaker 2: needed well, first of all, I needed some kind of
45:14
Speaker 2: spiritual grounding. But once, once, once I got into the
45:22
Speaker 2: once I felt a bit more grounded. I needed people.
45:25
Speaker 2: I needed things like the UK column first of all,
45:29
Speaker 2: to tell me what was you know, to show me
45:31
Speaker 2: what was going on in the world. And I think
45:34
Speaker 2: that is the role of that's that's the role that
45:37
Speaker 2: the UK column have played, isn't it. And there's a
45:40
Speaker 2: lot of great researchers. And then and then there's a
45:44
Speaker 2: point once you and I think you made a similar
45:46
Speaker 2: point at Hope, there's a point when you know there's
45:51
Speaker 2: an agenda, and when you know that you're being lied Tom,
45:56
Speaker 2: there's a certain point where you just have to say, Okay,
45:58
Speaker 2: I don't need to know all the details.
46:00
Speaker 1: Well, I actually think it's people giving an opinion here,
46:06
Speaker 1: But I think that it's very important people understand they
46:09
Speaker 1: don't need to know all the details because when you
46:16
Speaker 1: start researching very heavy, dark stuff, this does not do
46:22
Speaker 1: you any good. You are actually starting to look into
46:25
Speaker 1: the dark. And I over all the years I've been
46:30
Speaker 1: doing this on a number of occasions, when people have
46:34
Speaker 1: suggested to me that they're having some issues, I say
46:37
Speaker 1: to them, do you research a lot? And they say yes,
46:41
Speaker 1: And then I say, and do you research in the evenings?
46:45
Speaker 2: Oh?
46:46
Speaker 1: Yes, sometimes I'm researching till two o'clock in the morning.
46:49
Speaker 1: And I say to them, don't because if you go
46:53
Speaker 1: looking at this stuff at night, it brings something else
46:58
Speaker 1: with it. See where the conversation goes. Well, I'll try
47:03
Speaker 1: and qualify what I'm talking about. But if if you
47:07
Speaker 1: come to the realization that you're in a spiritual battle,
47:10
Speaker 1: that's that's real, that's reality, and therefore you have to
47:14
Speaker 1: understand that light is there, but also dark's there. But
47:19
Speaker 1: of course people are not taught about spiritual aspects. The
47:24
Speaker 1: churches have all gone astray, and so people are tending
47:29
Speaker 1: to think it's a game to go exploring exactly what's
47:34
Speaker 1: being done to us. And it depends on the person.
47:37
Speaker 1: It depends on their personal strength and psyche. But for
47:43
Speaker 1: some people it can be it can be damaging.
47:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. So it's a it's a it's a
47:50
Speaker 2: it's a a tough process to two break out of,
47:59
Speaker 2: perhaps even a lifetimes of conditioning. I don't know, you know,
48:01
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, And I think I think, I
48:04
Speaker 2: think we need to be gentle with each other sometimes
48:06
Speaker 2: and with ourselves.
48:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, because people very quickly get on their own path
48:15
Speaker 1: of discovering things. And the bit which makes me smile
48:19
Speaker 1: is very often that means that they come to feel
48:22
Speaker 1: they are the first person to discover it. And then
48:25
Speaker 1: and then we get in the unfortunate position where they
48:28
Speaker 1: think that they're particular analysis on what's happening is the
48:34
Speaker 1: right one, and if you disagree, you're not a friend anymore.
48:38
Speaker 1: And this I think is a bit sad. The other
48:45
Speaker 1: thing which I think is very sad is where you
48:48
Speaker 1: see people who were drawn into dogma. For a lot
48:53
Speaker 1: of people who are just waking up, you can't go
48:55
Speaker 1: from you can't take them from the dark state of
49:01
Speaker 1: politics to spiritual matters in one go. Within three minutes,
49:05
Speaker 1: they've told me immensely personal things about themselves. We have
49:10
Speaker 1: malicious propagandists working for very powerful people and powers who
49:16
Speaker 1: are releasing