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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, February 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. J. P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Senior writer for Jaguars dot Com, John Oshan in NFL
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Speaker 1: media analyst, Bucky Brooks, and plenty to get to today.
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Speaker 1: The franchise tag window is open. There are options at
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Speaker 1: left tackle. We'll get to some of that coming up.
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Speaker 1: In addition to the Jaguars public relations staff, and then
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Speaker 1: we'll get two quarterbacks. Especially we know about Trevor Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: but what about the backup situation for the Jaguars. That
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Speaker 1: will be our look at pending free agents today, continuing
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Speaker 1: a conversation from Jaguars reporters, and we'll get to Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks position group prospect rankings today we'll go through his
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Speaker 1: top five tight ends considering the Jaguars have some news
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Speaker 1: there this week, and always remember to subscribe to the
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Speaker 1: plenty of comments, and here we are. This would have
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Speaker 1: been NFL Combine week. Bucky, what in the world. We're
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Speaker 1: not at prime forty seven tonight. I know, like JP
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Speaker 1: is is one of the down moments because your body's
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Speaker 1: on the clock where you know, like, hey, hey man,
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Speaker 1: I should be knee deep in some shrump cocktail right
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Speaker 1: now with a little horse little horsey sauce, little horse
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Speaker 1: cock cock horse radish cocktail sauce from saying almost trying
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Speaker 1: to get my bearings back. And you know that the
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Speaker 1: sad thing about um not having the combine is not
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Speaker 1: necessarily just the on field workouts and interviews and those things,
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Speaker 1: but the combine was the NFL Convention for everybody, scouts, coaches,
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Speaker 1: media members. Is the one time on the calendar where
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Speaker 1: you had everybody in the same city, same location, and
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Speaker 1: you could bump into people and have these conversations and
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Speaker 1: catch up on where guys are, have these kind of
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Speaker 1: off the record conversations about what is about to happen,
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Speaker 1: what happened that we didn't know about, and all those things.
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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of sad for that, and you know,
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Speaker 1: it's just not the same. It's not the same without
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Speaker 1: the combine. You know, John is a big fan of
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Speaker 1: the burger at the JW. Marriott Sports bar downstairs every day,
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Speaker 1: every day, every day. Yeah, he's speaking for himself with
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Speaker 1: that point. Um, I once saw a JP eat an
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Speaker 1: insane number of burgers during one combine. Say I kin'dt Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's uh conversed point though, Bucky, it's it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: true that this will be the first year I haven't
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Speaker 1: covered the combine I think since two thousand one actually
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Speaker 1: covered to No. One, so the first year since since
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Speaker 1: two thousand It's so part of the NFL body clock.
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Speaker 1: There's the element that you talked about, which is running
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Speaker 1: into people and getting just sort of a real feel
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Speaker 1: even if you're say, you asked somebody about a guy,
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Speaker 1: and even if you can tell they're not really giving
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Speaker 1: anything away, it's just the conversations. It's it's the buzz,
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Speaker 1: it's the icon tack that you get there. And uh,
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Speaker 1: for me anyway, I know it's different for you because
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Speaker 1: you immerse yourself in draft guys year round, so you
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Speaker 1: know it. But for me and a lot of other reporters,
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Speaker 1: this is where I like to go and stand around
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks when they're talking, just to see how they
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Speaker 1: handle the room, just to get some sort of maturity
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Speaker 1: level from them. And I don't know realistically if what
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Speaker 1: I gather from doing that has any indication where they'll
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Speaker 1: be good in six years. But when you cover the
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Speaker 1: league the way we do, that might be the only chance. Say,
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming maybe the Jaguars take Trevor Lawrence, but that
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Speaker 1: might be the only chance I'm ever in a room
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Speaker 1: with Zack Wilson. Because you cover teams and they sort
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Speaker 1: of go their separate ways, you really do miss the
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Speaker 1: opportunity just to see how a guy walks through, whether
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Speaker 1: he's sort of the leader of his group, whether he's
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Speaker 1: interacting with people when they're on the podium, how they
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Speaker 1: answer questions, whether it's I always like a guy who
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Speaker 1: can care on a little bit of a conversation, and
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Speaker 1: I look reporters in the eye than feeling like they're
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Speaker 1: on stage. There's a little bit of a different field
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Speaker 1: that guys have. So yeah, I missed it a lot,
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Speaker 1: other than always coming home sick, coming home sick, what
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Speaker 1: do you you can't handle it? Okay? So, so, John,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something that my dad told me
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Speaker 1: when I when I was younger. If you burn the
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Speaker 1: candle at both ends, it will burn up. So you
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Speaker 1: have to earmark your energy a little differently. So if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be Mr Combine during the day, you can't
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Speaker 1: be missed a combat at night too, So you gotta
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Speaker 1: make if you're not burning the candle at both ends
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Speaker 1: of the combine. I see, I've seen you closing prime
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Speaker 1: every now and then. I absolutely closing. But my candle
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Speaker 1: has a long wick. It takes all right. But I
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Speaker 1: don't come on. I don't come home sick. It's taking
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Speaker 1: years of conditioning for Bucky to get this spe ind No,
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Speaker 1: but John, you mentioned something I always think is interesting,
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Speaker 1: like listening to the prospects at the podium, particularly the quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: because this year would be very important to hear Tremla
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Speaker 1: Lawrence there, because you want to see how does he
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Speaker 1: carry Can he can handle the weight of being the
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Speaker 1: face of the franchise because he outside of the but
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Speaker 1: the CEO, of the general manager, the head coach. The
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Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important guy in the room because
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Speaker 1: he represents and puts out the message that has been
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Speaker 1: conveyed in the room. So can he handle those responsibilities?
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Speaker 1: And so I like to see how those guys handle themselves,
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Speaker 1: whether they're articulate enough, are they quick on their feet
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Speaker 1: like that personality shows all of those things. I also
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Speaker 1: like hearing the coaches talk because the coaches will without
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Speaker 1: really telling you, they will tell you a lot, and
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Speaker 1: if you can follow the bird droppings, they will tell you, hey, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is what they were thinking about last year's season,
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Speaker 1: this is what they think about the team, this is
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Speaker 1: what they think about going forward, how they can build
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Speaker 1: a team. And so missing out on those things will
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Speaker 1: be tough because yeah, we'll hear the zoom calls and
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Speaker 1: we'll see these random interviews kind of pop up. But
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Speaker 1: the Combine was the one week where you could constant
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Speaker 1: trade on hearing everybody when it came to the state
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Speaker 1: of the Union j and and I'm glad you guys
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Have you talked to the Jaguars?
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Speaker 1: Have you talked to the brands? It's my pet peeve
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Speaker 1: every year, Buck, It drives me up the wall when
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Speaker 1: reporters ask if they've talked to anybody from the Giants,
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Speaker 1: everybody talks to everybody. The answer is always yes. The
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Speaker 1: answer is yes or not yet or I don't remember.
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Speaker 1: There is no news value from that question with her,
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Speaker 1: and that's what all missed the most. Bucky is rolling
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Speaker 1: my eyes at that every year. And I'll say, what
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Speaker 1: one final thought on this too from our perspective, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Jaguars have not fared well on the
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Speaker 1: field the last decade, surprise, surprise. So when you go
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Speaker 1: to the combine, the Jags usually have a top ten pick,
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Speaker 1: but they're not the number one pick. They're not the
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Speaker 1: big off season teams. So it's you walk through a
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Speaker 1: room with a Jaguar shirt on and people kind of
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Speaker 1: look away or don't want to deal with it, or
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Speaker 1: you're trying to go get an interview from some media
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Speaker 1: person whatever. Now this would have been the year to
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Speaker 1: go do all that, because everybody wants to talk to you,
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Speaker 1: you know, but I know we've had all of it,
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Speaker 1: Like center stage one, Trevor Lawrence would have been all
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Speaker 1: eyes on him, and then when Coach Meyer took the
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Speaker 1: mic that that would have been the other thing. Like, man,
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Speaker 1: you talk about John, I feel bad because so much content,
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Speaker 1: Like you're a little wet. The website plans, the content
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Speaker 1: plan would have been robust if we were at the Combine,
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Speaker 1: and now we're having to make it up as we go,
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Speaker 1: you know, of how Bucky just dismissed our little our
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Speaker 1: little call I called myself. I called whatever it is
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Speaker 1: finally be robust. Thanks Bucky. Let's move along. That's Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks jottos. You're I'm j P Shadric Gaston Huddle Up podcast.
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Speaker 1: You can find out on Apple, iTunes or wherever you
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Speaker 1: get your podcast. Let's get to the franchise tag window.
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Speaker 1: It opened Tuesday. It's a two week window through Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: March ninth. The name most associated with this around the Jaguars,
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Speaker 1: has been left tackled, Cam Robinson. The cost, Bucky is
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Speaker 1: what fourteen and a half million dollars? That would be
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Speaker 1: exclusive for a year. Could they transition tag in this timeframe?
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Speaker 1: Is that a different time frame? And other prices a
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Speaker 1: little bit lower, but there's negotiation options for the player. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what's the feeling here? I mean, look, you could do
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Speaker 1: the trans position tag and that will give you an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to match the offer and if you didn't match it,
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Speaker 1: then you would get compensation coming back. The exclusive offered
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Speaker 1: means you can't negotiate anywhere. Is one time one stop
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Speaker 1: shopping is is the team and the player You have
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Speaker 1: to figure it out. I do wonder what this looks like,
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Speaker 1: because we'll really get a great sense of what the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars feel about Cam Robinson, because are they willing to
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Speaker 1: pony over that money? Are they willing to give him
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Speaker 1: a long term deal We've always already talked about. The
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Speaker 1: offensive line appears to be in pretty good shape. And
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Speaker 1: you know, if you bring him back, um, you feel
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Speaker 1: good about the continuity. You have the offensive line coach
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Speaker 1: being ever retaining like everything is the same, and so
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Speaker 1: maybe they give you a chance to kind of hit
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Speaker 1: the ground running. But if you move on from Cam Robinson,
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Speaker 1: either you elect to keep them on the franchise tag.
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Speaker 1: That means maybe you have to look at the pool
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Speaker 1: um bottom of the first round, top of the second round?
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Speaker 1: Do you have to evaluate offensive tackles and those things?
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Speaker 1: I will say this, did Youaguars have to evaluate Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson versus what could be available? And so what could
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Speaker 1: be available in the twenties at offensive tacle versus Cam Robinson?
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Speaker 1: What could be available at the top of the second
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Speaker 1: round versus Cam Robinson? Because if they feel like potentially
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Speaker 1: they could get a better option, a cheaper option, it
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Speaker 1: then gives you even more cash to go and play
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Speaker 1: play with at other at other positions, and so that's
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Speaker 1: something for a team that's loaded with cast. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how many more discounts you need, but I mean
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Speaker 1: you could go with a bigger checkbook and write bigger
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Speaker 1: checks to maybe bring over some some market players. But
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Speaker 1: it's also the case JPL. I'll play Devil's advocate on
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Speaker 1: that a little bit. At number if they don't like Cam,
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Speaker 1: then you can easily go get a guy there. And
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Speaker 1: it seems like there are guys to go get, but
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Speaker 1: it's not like there's not other spots they can go
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Speaker 1: get to. So if you think you also have to decide, okay,
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Speaker 1: if we have to go get left tackle, what else
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Speaker 1: is there at and thirty three that we could better
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Speaker 1: benefit ourselves, you know? So I think it would behoove
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Speaker 1: them to franchise him with the idea that if you
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Speaker 1: have to use that draft equity, then it's draft equity
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Speaker 1: that you can't use on the safety or you can't
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Speaker 1: use on a corner, which they may need both, you
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Speaker 1: can't use on a receiver. I mean, it's not like
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Speaker 1: this team was rolling out a bunch of elite guys
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Speaker 1: last year, So you can only do so much. There's
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Speaker 1: only so much prime equity that you have, so I
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Speaker 1: wonder if that won't play into it as well. That
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Speaker 1: makes sense, John, And if you think of it this way,
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Speaker 1: whether you have the intention of doing a long term
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Speaker 1: deal or not, it makes it a nice stop gut
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Speaker 1: for at least a year. You go status quo. You
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Speaker 1: see I plays and if he plays at a level
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Speaker 1: where you want to extend them inside them to a
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Speaker 1: bigger deal. Perfect, he gets a bunch of cash in
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Speaker 1: his pocket this year. He may not show up for
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Speaker 1: some things whatever, but eventually you show up to make
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Speaker 1: sure that he cashes in on the big payday. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then it does give you an opportunity, if you're
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Speaker 1: urban Miron train Balky to begin to build the team
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Speaker 1: and the image that you see fit what players do.
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Speaker 1: We need to kind of change the tide of the
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Speaker 1: culture in the locker room, the results on the field,
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Speaker 1: and those things. So, uh, it's not a bad play.
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Speaker 1: I would fully expect him to get some kind of
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Speaker 1: tack initially if they can't get the long term deal done,
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Speaker 1: because I mean just kind of like putting a little
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Speaker 1: bookmark on it, you know, and then you kind of
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Speaker 1: see how it plays out, but I don't think it
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Speaker 1: necessarily changes your draft plane at all. I have one
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Speaker 1: question for Bucky JP, if I may, you may well
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Speaker 1: thank you? I shall um how much with Cam? How
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Speaker 1: difficult is it to evaluate that considering everything around him
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Speaker 1: has been rough, meaning the pocket presence, it hasn't been
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Speaker 1: a high functioning offense. Is it ricky to try to
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Speaker 1: evaluate a tackle when they're always playing from behind? I
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Speaker 1: thought Cam a block for the run really well last year,
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Speaker 1: and I have a tough time figuring out is this
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Speaker 1: line a bad pass blocking line or are they just
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Speaker 1: in too many bad situations? I think it's more the
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Speaker 1: ladder in my opinion. But is it you know, would
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Speaker 1: it be better to have Cam for a year and
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Speaker 1: try to evaluate him hoping that the situation around him
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Speaker 1: is better as well? Yeah? I think that's a very
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Speaker 1: honest conversation. And I think if Coach Meyer and Drew
12:28
Speaker 1: Barky talked to his representatives and said that, hey, new
12:30
Speaker 1: regime change, we felt like you're in a bunch of
12:32
Speaker 1: bad positions last year to fully evaluate you. So here's
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Speaker 1: what we like to do. We like to take a
12:37
Speaker 1: look at a year, see how you play in our offense,
12:39
Speaker 1: we want to do things a little differently. You thrive,
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Speaker 1: we pay you top market value. I believe everything that
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Speaker 1: you pointed out is really important and really significant in
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Speaker 1: terms of doing the evaluation. When you're always behind and
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Speaker 1: you are throwing, when the defense knows that you have
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Speaker 1: to throw, I'd like to say that those guys on
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Speaker 1: the other side of like superheroes at defensive event, like
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Speaker 1: those guys can leap tall buildings in the single bound
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Speaker 1: the different kinds of athletes and they have a runway
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Speaker 1: where they can kind of get in the stands like
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Speaker 1: a cat and just shoot out to chase the courtet man.
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Speaker 1: That's that's tough. But when you're able to play on
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Speaker 1: even terms and you can run the football and do
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Speaker 1: those things, Yeah, you see Cam do what he does
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Speaker 1: really well. And with coach Meyer seemingly intent on building
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Speaker 1: a physical football team that has a running game, I
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Speaker 1: think Cam will fit in well. But we won't know
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Speaker 1: until we see him in this system. And so that's
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Speaker 1: why it might be the perfect bookmark to just kind
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Speaker 1: of put a pen in it. Let's see what it
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Speaker 1: looks like in three and sixt or five days and
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Speaker 1: do the negotiation at that point all those guys need
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Speaker 1: on the defensive side or like two or three plays
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Speaker 1: a game when they're doing flexing muscles and celebrating its
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Speaker 1: three plays. But you do that three times a game
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Speaker 1: for six times records that absolutely and that's and that's
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Speaker 1: what's so tough. And and you see those guys when
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Speaker 1: it's an obvious pass and now you see them wide
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Speaker 1: out a little bit so they can get a little
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Speaker 1: runway like they're about to take home on airplane. That
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Speaker 1: is not Look, it's a tough job for offensive tackles
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Speaker 1: and left tackles in particularly because you're going against the
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Speaker 1: best pass rusher when you have a quarterback this jittery
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Speaker 1: that wants to leave the pocket before his time, and
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Speaker 1: when you're chasing points, man, it just doesn't play. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: work in your favorite Let's move along here on the
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up podcast to an addition to the Jaguars PR staff,
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Speaker 1: Amy Palsick added well announced by head coach Urban Meyer
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Speaker 1: on Monday night on Twitter. Remember she was let go
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Speaker 1: by the Houston Texans. Started there back in became then
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Speaker 1: the first woman to serve as a top PR contact
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Speaker 1: for a franchise in the NFL. Was key and her
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Speaker 1: staff won the Pete Roselle a ward back in two
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Speaker 1: seventeen from the NFL Writers Association. She helped J. J.
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Speaker 1: Watt and his Hurricane Harvey efforts after that storm there
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Speaker 1: but now a member of the Jaguars staff, Bucky and
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Speaker 1: all you see on Twitter after Urban's tweet the other
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Speaker 1: day is praise for Amy. It is a great addition. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: great addition. We'll respected awesome at what she does doesn't
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Speaker 1: really a good job, and I think, um, the best
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Speaker 1: thing that she has been able to do is navigate
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Speaker 1: the relationship between coaches, high profile players, and the media
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Speaker 1: to get so from our standpoint so we can get
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Speaker 1: exactly what we need to get done when it comes
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Speaker 1: to talking to coaches, talking to the high profile athletes.
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Speaker 1: I think she also can maybe help sometimes coaches and
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Speaker 1: general managers side steps some of the firestorms that can
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Speaker 1: come along the way. And because she's very experienced, and
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Speaker 1: I'll say this to be honest, Um, Bill O'Brien might
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Speaker 1: not have been the easiest coach maybe to work with,
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Speaker 1: but because she was able to manage that relationship for
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Speaker 1: so long where he never necessarily came off looking like
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Speaker 1: being put in a bad light. I think that's a
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Speaker 1: testament to her and her staff, and I think should
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Speaker 1: do a great job. We've talked about it. This is
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Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time there will
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Speaker 1: be a lot of odes on the Jaguars organization, and
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Speaker 1: Coach Meyer talked about having a first class staff, trying
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Speaker 1: to assemble a collection of the best at their respective positions.
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Speaker 1: He certainly got one with Amy coming on board. Change
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Speaker 1: here John does doesn't happen a lot. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how how deep we need to go
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Speaker 1: into this because we really don't have any news on
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Speaker 1: top of the tweets to reports, but it is significant.
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Speaker 1: There's really nothing else right now. Well, sure is. And
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Speaker 1: again I know Amy tangently, meaning I've been in the
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Speaker 1: same press box many times covering the Jags and she's
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Speaker 1: covering the Texas. I don't know her well. What I
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Speaker 1: do know is everybody who I've known a long time
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Speaker 1: in the NFL and respect and people that I put
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Speaker 1: a great deal of faith in to tell me about
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Speaker 1: people speak incredibly highly over to do everything that Bucky
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Speaker 1: just talked about, and to deal with situations as they
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Speaker 1: come up to do her job obviously, so you know.
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Speaker 1: When I had heard this was a possibility, I was
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Speaker 1: excited about it and remain excited about it. And I
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Speaker 1: think more importantly to people listening, I think the better
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Speaker 1: you are in called the relations obviously, the better that
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Speaker 1: the fans can grasp the team. My understanding is that
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Speaker 1: she's exceptional at helping that process. So I think everybody's
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Speaker 1: looking forward to I will say, the only blemish on
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Speaker 1: her resume she went to Auburn. Everything's perfect. That's that.
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Speaker 1: That's that war ego thing, right, That isn't that they are? Is?
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Speaker 1: That is there? What is there? What they get them going?
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Speaker 1: And yeah, and other stuff on the I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: I know. That's that's what I mean. I mean, I know.
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Speaker 1: And then JP like there's a lot. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: probably feel an invasion in Florida. You got you have
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Speaker 1: Amy coming over to you got guts coming down to
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Speaker 1: Central Florida. U c f to get going nice, right.
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Speaker 1: I me just feel like it's a it's a lot
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Speaker 1: going on right now. I think things are okay the
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Speaker 1: side of the equation, Bucky, I got news for you.
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Speaker 1: A Urban Meyer is locked in and ready to deliver
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18:22
Speaker 1: Let's move along now. On the Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shadrick,
18:25
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier, we get intopending free agents each week,
18:29
Speaker 1: but I decided to, you know, let's shake it up
18:32
Speaker 1: a little differently. This week. We've been picking three random
18:35
Speaker 1: guys and talking about them. But who all hell could
18:37
Speaker 1: break loose between now and the start of the free
18:40
Speaker 1: agency process here. So quarterback has been in the news. Obviously,
18:44
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is out there, the Jaguars have the number
18:47
Speaker 1: one pick, But what's going to happen behind Trevor Lawrence?
18:50
Speaker 1: And this continues a conversation we had on Jaguars Reporters
18:53
Speaker 1: podcast back on Monday about maybe having a veteran backup
18:58
Speaker 1: quarterback behind her Lawrence. Every Patrick Mahomes usually has a
19:03
Speaker 1: Chad Henning to help him out. Every Blake Wortles had
19:05
Speaker 1: a Chad Henning as well. That's a different story. You
19:09
Speaker 1: got to know the role. You know, you're probably not
19:11
Speaker 1: gonna start much, but you still have to be able
19:13
Speaker 1: to go out and play in a pinch if the
19:15
Speaker 1: starter is not available for whatever reason a week or two.
19:18
Speaker 1: That's the that's the tough part. But he is finding
19:21
Speaker 1: a veteran guy who knows that role, who you know,
19:24
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be at every game starter anymore. That's
19:27
Speaker 1: tough for guys to to really cross that threshold. You know,
19:31
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a really difficult thing. And it's so
19:33
Speaker 1: difficult that the quarterback position is tough in itself. But
19:36
Speaker 1: then finding the write backup because you want the guy
19:39
Speaker 1: who understands his role but who also is capable of playing,
19:42
Speaker 1: and so how many guys are still capable of playing?
19:45
Speaker 1: But okay, being the backup, they're not many out there. Uh.
19:50
Speaker 1: I think the challenge would be if we could figure
19:53
Speaker 1: out on the inside, what do people inside the building
19:56
Speaker 1: really think about Mike Lennon? Right, Because Mike Lennon has
19:59
Speaker 1: running few laps around the league. Um, he played in
20:02
Speaker 1: Jacksonville a year ago. He did okay when he had
20:05
Speaker 1: his opportunity. Not a starter, but um, I guy like that.
20:08
Speaker 1: What kind of value could he bring in terms of
20:11
Speaker 1: being able to kind of work with with Trevor talked
20:14
Speaker 1: to him, understand his role. He doesn't appear to have
20:16
Speaker 1: a great ego, a big ego, So I would think
20:19
Speaker 1: that would be interesting outside of that. When you when
20:22
Speaker 1: you go outside of that, you just don't know. Like
20:23
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick still thinks he can play and wants to play,
20:26
Speaker 1: and so that would be a little different. And then
20:29
Speaker 1: some of the other options that are available out there,
20:32
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would be necessarily an upgrade
20:35
Speaker 1: over potentially what you can have if you brought Mike
20:37
Speaker 1: Lennon back. Yeah, it's a brutally tough thing to find.
20:40
Speaker 1: I shared this on the Jaguars reporters when I was
20:43
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis for ten years, the Colts had all kinds
20:47
Speaker 1: of trouble finding a backup for Peyton. He wasn't at
20:49
Speaker 1: the rookie I mean, he was no longer a rookie
20:51
Speaker 1: at that point. But when the perception is that there
20:54
Speaker 1: is zero chance to get in the game or even practice,
20:58
Speaker 1: that becomes a tough role to fill. I guess what
21:01
Speaker 1: I wanted to do more? Here is asked Bucky, how
21:03
Speaker 1: important is it? I've never been in an NFL meeting room.
21:06
Speaker 1: That'll surprise you because I'm in pretty good shape, Buck,
21:09
Speaker 1: But and I'm never be it over the yard. The
21:12
Speaker 1: first thing that you want to do is, hey, let's
21:15
Speaker 1: let's throw it. I want to throw, yeah, But how
21:18
Speaker 1: important is it? I get questions all the time, Hey,
21:21
Speaker 1: there's a quarterback coach. Isn't that enough? And on paper
21:25
Speaker 1: it is, But how important is it as a young player,
21:28
Speaker 1: I guess, regardless of position, but especially quarterback, to have
21:31
Speaker 1: the guy that you can just sort of look over
21:33
Speaker 1: there and go, hey, is this right? Hey? Am I
21:36
Speaker 1: seeing this right? You know? When the safety moves, I'm
21:40
Speaker 1: thinking they have to throw to this receiver right and
21:42
Speaker 1: just have have kind of a nod. Is that a
21:45
Speaker 1: big deal? Is that a million dollar deal? Is it
21:48
Speaker 1: is to find that a little bit? No? I think
21:49
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a huge deal. And
21:51
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world, the backup quarterback that
21:54
Speaker 1: you have for in a situation that Trevor is stepping
21:56
Speaker 1: into is a guy who has started in the league
21:59
Speaker 1: who no longer is that guy, but he's gone through
22:02
Speaker 1: the process of being a starter, meaning he can help
22:05
Speaker 1: Trevor set out his weekly preparation schedule. Hey Trevor, Hey,
22:10
Speaker 1: I've been around some greats. Here's how I would prepare
22:12
Speaker 1: for the week as a starter. You're on Tuesday, Yeah,
22:17
Speaker 1: Monday looks like this. My Tuesday's dad, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
22:20
Speaker 1: Here's how we do a Here's some things that we
22:22
Speaker 1: need to do after practice when it goes he's as
22:25
Speaker 1: confident when they're going through things and practice and he
22:29
Speaker 1: maybe a little sideways or he can't get it in.
22:32
Speaker 1: The coach's voice doesn't necessarily reach him. He can turn
22:35
Speaker 1: to the vet and the veteran can can give it
22:37
Speaker 1: to him and maybe player the player terms that it clicks.
22:40
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Colin Kaepernick both talked about Alex Smith
22:44
Speaker 1: and how Man just how he helped both of those
22:47
Speaker 1: guys become better players. And Patrick Mahomes really attributes a
22:51
Speaker 1: lot of his success early in his career to what
22:53
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was able to do setting that example and
22:57
Speaker 1: do it and now it was different because Alex was
22:59
Speaker 1: the starter and my homes was the young guy learning.
23:02
Speaker 1: But what you would like is a veteran that can
23:05
Speaker 1: give all of that to the young player, help him
23:08
Speaker 1: along the way. It doesn't necessarily threaten him from a
23:12
Speaker 1: playing standpoint, but he's there to kind of nurture him
23:14
Speaker 1: and play a role in the process of helping the
23:18
Speaker 1: quarterback kind of growing, developing, become the player that he
23:22
Speaker 1: can become. At the end of year one and year
23:24
Speaker 1: two and year three, Mark Brunell, the last what four
23:27
Speaker 1: years or so of his career was was this. He
23:30
Speaker 1: had his run as a starter here in Washington, and
23:33
Speaker 1: then the last two teams he played for he was
23:35
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez is guy. Yeah, he's he's he's the backup.
23:39
Speaker 1: He could do all of those things he learned the process.
23:42
Speaker 1: I heard a lot about Chase Daniel and what Chase
23:45
Speaker 1: Daniel was able to do with Carson Wentz early in
23:47
Speaker 1: Philadelphia because Jay's Daniel was the backup to Drew Brees,
23:50
Speaker 1: and so basically he took the formula that he learned
23:54
Speaker 1: from Drew Brees in terms of their preparation plan and
23:56
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, and he took it and used
23:59
Speaker 1: it elsewhere. And so I think there's value to that.
24:03
Speaker 1: He has to be the right guy. He has to
24:04
Speaker 1: have the right temperament. I mean, he's another coach on
24:07
Speaker 1: the field, but you certainly would hope that he also
24:09
Speaker 1: can go out and play too. And so that's the
24:11
Speaker 1: fine line because you get the guys who can tell
24:12
Speaker 1: you everything off the board, but then Lauren behol they
24:15
Speaker 1: gotta grab to help me and go in the field
24:16
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, no, that's not what you want
24:19
Speaker 1: to look like. Yeah, so so man, it's that it's
24:23
Speaker 1: that fine line. I do wonder how they do it
24:26
Speaker 1: because you're looking at the offensive coordinator there are Bevill,
24:30
Speaker 1: and then you're looking at Brian Schottenheimer. Is there someone
24:34
Speaker 1: in their past that they're very, very comfortable with that
24:36
Speaker 1: can can pass on the information, can help them learn
24:39
Speaker 1: the offense and do those things? And when I look
24:42
Speaker 1: behind Russell Wilson for the longest time, they didn't really
24:45
Speaker 1: I mean it was a revolving door, like they had
24:47
Speaker 1: young guys playing behind him. I don't know who they
24:49
Speaker 1: Trusty Vett. Is that Bevill can bring over? Could Brett
24:52
Speaker 1: Favan retired guy? I know, That's That's what I'm saying.
24:56
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of somebody guys know, wonder maybe maybe
25:00
Speaker 1: maybe shows up at practice every now and then with
25:02
Speaker 1: the old ball cap and girls of period and all
25:06
Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, you never know. This is the
25:09
Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. That's Bucky Brooks, John Osier. I'm JP
25:12
Speaker 1: Shadrick and let's move along. Now your top five draft
25:15
Speaker 1: prospects by position. But you just put out what your
25:17
Speaker 1: second edition of these. You go every position group in
25:20
Speaker 1: the draft. So today we'll start another weekly segment on
25:24
Speaker 1: this podcast where we analyze one of your groups in
25:27
Speaker 1: your latest top five. And today it's notable because there
25:31
Speaker 1: were reports earlier this week that the Jaguars were not
25:34
Speaker 1: going to take the option on tight end Tyler Effort.
25:38
Speaker 1: So the Jaguars now will have on their roster Josh
25:42
Speaker 1: Oliver with three career receptions, Eric Sobert with ten catches,
25:46
Speaker 1: ben Ellepson one catch, and Tyler Davis. That's the tight
25:50
Speaker 1: end room. So if they don't go in free agency,
25:55
Speaker 1: or even if they do go in free agency, these
25:58
Speaker 1: top five gentlemen in the hide in room will be
26:01
Speaker 1: on the target list. I think, Bucky, who do you got,
26:04
Speaker 1: oh man? You talk about tight end position? You know, JP,
26:08
Speaker 1: if if not for taking the quarterback at number one.
26:11
Speaker 1: If the Jaguars had their normal customary top ten pick,
26:14
Speaker 1: Kyle piss would be all over. It is a number one,
26:18
Speaker 1: not at number one, but if it was a top
26:19
Speaker 1: ten pick, it was a top ten pick. I mean,
26:22
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's one of the top five players in
26:24
Speaker 1: this draft class. He's a mismatch option, so he's not
26:26
Speaker 1: gonna be available for the jack So we're we thinking
26:29
Speaker 1: first round, top of the second round. The two guys.
26:31
Speaker 1: Pat Freemouth from Penn State is a guy, big body,
26:35
Speaker 1: soft hands, is a great job of catching the ball
26:37
Speaker 1: over the middle of field. Can do the things that
26:39
Speaker 1: you would like to see done at the position. Hunter
26:41
Speaker 1: Long from Boston College and like, maybe I'm dating myself
26:45
Speaker 1: having played with Pete Mitchell the Boston College thing. I
26:48
Speaker 1: just always think about Boston College tight ends, even though
26:50
Speaker 1: Pete was like a little on the shorter stature, not
26:53
Speaker 1: on the bigger statue. Hunter Long, how to Long is
26:55
Speaker 1: the big body. He can post up over the middle
26:57
Speaker 1: of field, he can put his hand in dirt and block.
26:59
Speaker 1: For my has me a lot of Kyle Rudolph from
27:01
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. He's a very interesting guy, and you
27:05
Speaker 1: think about in the thirties. I think that's kind of
27:08
Speaker 1: the sweet spot top of the second somewhere in there.
27:11
Speaker 1: Hunter Along could be one that we talked about. Breverend
27:14
Speaker 1: Jordans was number four in your list. A lot of
27:18
Speaker 1: Miami Buckey great athlete. Yeah, look, he's heard a lot.
27:21
Speaker 1: I mean, he's banged up, he's injured a lot, but
27:23
Speaker 1: from an athletic, sampoint, terrific athlete. And we've seen how
27:26
Speaker 1: these athletes have been able to create problems. People are
27:29
Speaker 1: looking at Travis Kelsey and Darren Waller and the problems
27:32
Speaker 1: that they're able to give us. Kind of those jumble
27:34
Speaker 1: size white House. He's not a stretch tight end. Mean,
27:37
Speaker 1: he's not tall, but he is very athletic and fast,
27:39
Speaker 1: just like Trey McKitty from Georgia, who doesn't have a
27:42
Speaker 1: lot of numbers. Tray mckitty's numbers are not impressive, particularly
27:46
Speaker 1: in Georgia, but when he showed up at the Senior Bowl,
27:48
Speaker 1: you saw him move around similar. I think those two guys.
27:51
Speaker 1: If you think about the Tennessee Titans John U. Smith,
27:54
Speaker 1: those guys are in that that family more athletic pass catchers.
27:58
Speaker 1: They kind of do it, maybe not be the the big,
28:01
Speaker 1: nasty guys that can control the edge. But in the
28:03
Speaker 1: passing game of the dangerous you know, Johnny. It feels
28:05
Speaker 1: to me that just watching Kyle Pitts a bunch this year.
28:08
Speaker 1: He was out one of the games I called, but
28:10
Speaker 1: he came back with three touchdowns against Kentucky in late November.
28:14
Speaker 1: He feels like a big wide receiver. It's not like
28:17
Speaker 1: he's your you know, old school two hundred and sixty
28:20
Speaker 1: pounds tied end. It's gonna block everybody he can if
28:23
Speaker 1: you guys, if he has to, but you can line
28:25
Speaker 1: him up anywhere on the field, line him up out
28:28
Speaker 1: wide against the corner inside, and those guys, john are
28:32
Speaker 1: hard to find. Is he a tight end? Is he
28:34
Speaker 1: a big wide receiver? I guess he's a tight end.
28:36
Speaker 1: So if you have a chance to trade up, then
28:39
Speaker 1: maybe you go up and go after that. If I
28:41
Speaker 1: was a GM, which everybody's thankful that I'm not, But
28:44
Speaker 1: if I was a GM, there is no position that
28:47
Speaker 1: would give me more pause, more ant, more sleepless nights.
28:51
Speaker 1: Been tight end. They're never available through free agency, meaning
28:55
Speaker 1: teams never give him up if there are any good
28:59
Speaker 1: and there's so hard to find it. Even guys who
29:02
Speaker 1: you think are dead solid blocks to be good. You
29:05
Speaker 1: don't usually find the great ones in the first round.
29:07
Speaker 1: Kelsey wasn't a first rounder. Uh, the kid from Seattle,
29:11
Speaker 1: Kittle wasn't the first rounder. It's not like just because
29:15
Speaker 1: you target a guy in the draft and I'm gonna
29:17
Speaker 1: pick him high. I guess Hockinson's okay, but he hasn't
29:21
Speaker 1: let the world on fire yet. It is the hardest
29:23
Speaker 1: position to find, as evidence by the fact that Jaguar
29:25
Speaker 1: has never really had one Sadies Lewis who played at
29:28
Speaker 1: a high level. But it's brutal trying to find these guys.
29:31
Speaker 1: And I think you almost have to get lucky sometimes.
29:34
Speaker 1: I see, I know what it is, John, I know what.
29:36
Speaker 1: You're scored by Julian Thomas. That's what happened. You're scared
29:39
Speaker 1: by the you're all you scored, You scored by Julie Thoms.
29:44
Speaker 1: He comes back, Thomas, he comes over, he comes over,
29:48
Speaker 1: and he just he just doesn't live up to the hype.
29:51
Speaker 1: And that's and that's what it is. Former basketball player.
29:54
Speaker 1: We've seen all these other basketball players, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez. Oh,
29:57
Speaker 1: we got the guys gon to mismatch Nightmare and he
30:00
Speaker 1: comes to do Vall and he's a dud. So let's
30:02
Speaker 1: not I'm scarred by I'm scarred by Austin Safari and Jenkins.
30:06
Speaker 1: I'm scarred by Julius Thomas. I'm scarred by everybody who
30:10
Speaker 1: come in. This team has had a brutal time find
30:13
Speaker 1: Kelsey and Kittle to me, are the are the two
30:16
Speaker 1: premium examples. These guys weren't supposed to be this. It's
30:21
Speaker 1: almost like you've got to be a you know, every
30:25
Speaker 1: GM has to have incredible seeing powers. But at that position,
30:28
Speaker 1: especially the top ten guys don't always work out, and
30:32
Speaker 1: it's often the later guys who wind up being great.
30:36
Speaker 1: Nobody predicted Antonio Gates, nobody predicted. The best guys are
30:39
Speaker 1: the guys that nobody predicted, because I'm not sure that
30:42
Speaker 1: it translates that well from college to the NFL. You've
30:44
Speaker 1: almost got to be blessed with this skill set and
30:46
Speaker 1: then developed once you're here. Yeah, it's it's different as real.
30:49
Speaker 1: Tricky position. Is interesting that you brought up George Kittle
30:52
Speaker 1: because Kittle is half offensive tackle half wide receiver, like
30:56
Speaker 1: he is the best blocker at the position. Um does
30:59
Speaker 1: a great job of dominating the run game, but he
31:02
Speaker 1: also has the ability. Yeah, he also has the ability
31:04
Speaker 1: to catch the ball and make things happen. And so
31:06
Speaker 1: it is a very very unique position. One of the
31:09
Speaker 1: reasons why you've seen basketball players have success at the
31:13
Speaker 1: tight end position because it's very much like posting up,
31:15
Speaker 1: you know, posting up getting points in the paint. And
31:18
Speaker 1: it's hard because I think the other thing that is
31:20
Speaker 1: lost in this does your offensive coordinator understand how to
31:24
Speaker 1: design plays for the tight end to get open? You know,
31:27
Speaker 1: like that is the thing. Some guys don't have it
31:30
Speaker 1: in their playbook. What are my tight end plays? How
31:32
Speaker 1: do I get my tight end open? And when you
31:36
Speaker 1: look at Darren Waller, who was a wide receiver at
31:39
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, goes to Baltimore, nonscript player, doesn't do anything,
31:42
Speaker 1: goes to the Raiders and becomes a Pro Bowl caliber
31:44
Speaker 1: tight end because John Gruten figures out a way to
31:47
Speaker 1: create opportunities in the passing game. I think that would
31:50
Speaker 1: be an interesting thing to look at Bevil and Shodeheimer
31:53
Speaker 1: and see have those guys ever been able to get
31:55
Speaker 1: a tight end loose in the passing game? And I
31:58
Speaker 1: can't say that I ever remember Seattle having a high
32:01
Speaker 1: end tight end that was very productive, And I don't
32:04
Speaker 1: know if Schodenheimer's ever had a high end a big
32:06
Speaker 1: time tight end flourished on his tutelage. Well, there you go.
32:10
Speaker 1: There's our look at the top five tight end draft
32:14
Speaker 1: prospects for the one NFL Draft, a weekly feature of
32:18
Speaker 1: Huddle Up. Will go look at Bucky's work on NFL
32:21
Speaker 1: dot com and then how about that re recycle it?
32:24
Speaker 1: So remember that cross coming up this week three weeks
32:32
Speaker 1: until free agency now and we'll have Jaguars Happy our
32:34
Speaker 1: radio Thursday and the Jaguars broadcast. We can review podcast Friday.
32:39
Speaker 1: O Zone, do you have a podcast this week? And
32:42
Speaker 1: who might have guessed be it might be Uh, Bucky's
32:47
Speaker 1: colleague the NFL Networks, Steve wish Old, friend of mine.
32:51
Speaker 1: We covered the University of Florida together back in nine
32:54
Speaker 1: and ninety four before a couple of years before I
32:57
Speaker 1: met a young athletic Bucky Brooks. So Steve was great.
33:00
Speaker 1: I talked to him Tuesday and I will be running
33:02
Speaker 1: that out on Wednesday, and UH a lot of insight
33:05
Speaker 1: into the National Football League and the Jaguars I will
33:08
Speaker 1: not tell you what great I was in Bucky. What
33:11
Speaker 1: do you have this week? Man? Just just more digging
33:14
Speaker 1: into the dive, like to dive at these prospects. There's
33:17
Speaker 1: so many names that you're trying to familiarize yourself with,
33:20
Speaker 1: trying to separate these guys. Right now, we're in the
33:22
Speaker 1: cluster buster part where you get all these guys that
33:24
Speaker 1: are similarly graded, trying to figure out who deserves to
33:27
Speaker 1: go on top of whom in terms of the order
33:29
Speaker 1: and without the combine no combine JP trying to figure
33:32
Speaker 1: it out off tape challenge. Did you create that cluster
33:36
Speaker 1: buster name? Or is that I can't say. I can't
33:38
Speaker 1: say that. I know, I'm sure I'll swiped it from somebody,
33:40
Speaker 1: Like we all this recycling stuff. I'm sure I swiped
33:43
Speaker 1: it from somebody. It rhyns and so it works. First
33:45
Speaker 1: time I've heard that. That's pretty good. Let's catching. But
33:48
Speaker 1: it makes sense. All these guys are in the cluster
33:50
Speaker 1: you try to come up and see who. Yeah, we
33:53
Speaker 1: gotta sort of sort them out and seem at some
33:55
Speaker 1: point you gotta's right, that's what That's what Tramp and
33:58
Speaker 1: the guys are doing right now. The end of him
34:00
Speaker 1: having the meetings trying to figure out, Hey, how do
34:02
Speaker 1: we start the board? I love it. John. Will look
34:04
Speaker 1: forward to your podcast coming up with Steve White Chaw Bucky.
34:06
Speaker 1: Always great to see you and we'll talk to you
34:08
Speaker 1: again next week. And for our entire crew, I'm JP
34:11
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