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Constellation Cup Secrets, 'Liz Ellis' Gets Tattooed & The Sarah Klau Decision · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Well, if you've got an hour to spare, you could
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  Speaker 1: run a half marathon like Kenyan athlete Agnes Ngetic from Kenya.
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  Speaker 1: I do apologise for my hideous pronunciation there. She just
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  Speaker 1: ran a half marathon in just over an hour. I
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  Speaker 1: reckon we can do a podcast in 45 minutes and
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what we can do.
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  Speaker 2: You're on No Dribble Strapping!
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to No Dribble, the podcast where we
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  Speaker 1: mispronounce African surnames and we're very embarrassed about that.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about Nepal, we talk about so much more.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Kath Cox.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Liz Ellis and there is no way known that
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  Speaker 4: I can even pronounce half marathon in an hour, let
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  Speaker 4: alone actually do one.
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  Speaker 3: How's that? And she beat the world record by five seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And did you see the end of the race? She's
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  Speaker 3: actually flying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would be as controlled and staggered.
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  Speaker 1: So that is 21 kilometres that she has done in
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  Speaker 1: 65 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane. Yeah, that is insane.
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  Speaker 4: Hang on, that's three-minute kilometres.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Is that 20 kilometres an hour?
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  Speaker 3: I reckon she'd beat me just in the, like, when
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  Speaker 3: I was sprinting off out of the blocks just in
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  Speaker 3: the first start.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Catherine, you and I never sprinted. We thought we were sprinting. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I tried.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was going quick. You know when you
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  Speaker 3: run your fastest doing court sprints? I used to always
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  Speaker 3: feel like, you know, you'd have to sprint from one
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  Speaker 3: end to the other or whatever and then you'd, like,
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  Speaker 3: you'd get across the line, you'd almost have to stop
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  Speaker 3: yourself before you hit the wall. Yeah. That's how fast
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was going.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that.
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  Speaker 1: First time I met you guys and we were in
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  Speaker 1: Moree for that sports camp and I went out for
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  Speaker 1: a run and I said, does anyone want to come
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  Speaker 1: for a run?
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  Speaker 2: And you guys went, no, we just do short distances.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It might have been off-season as well.
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  Speaker 2: Very time efficient. It was inspiring to me.
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  Speaker 3: Did you just go and do some little dodging agility
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  Speaker 3: stuff and come back?
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I would have gone for a long kind of pointless run,
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  Speaker 1: I think. I didn't kind of learn how to exercise
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  Speaker 1: properly until about 10 or 15 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, what were you doing up early in the morning
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  Speaker 3: if we were on that road show? I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: any good mornings on that road show.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was trying to impress you. I think
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  Speaker 1: I was showing off. No, no, it was an afternoon thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was an afternoon thing. We'd just arrived. in one
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  Speaker 1: of the towns and we were meeting at the pub, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: at a certain time, but there was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of free time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, consider us impressed, Carol.
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  Speaker 3: Very impressed.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Very impressed.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: We shouldn't have done that. We're still here and still
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  Speaker 4: impressed at your commitment to your fitness after your 57
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  Speaker 4: burpees earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the guns.
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  Speaker 2: That was hard.
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  Speaker 3: Look at these guys with these traps.
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  Speaker 4: Traps.
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  Speaker 3: You've got traps for days, girl. A bit jealous.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm not prepared to do burpees.
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  Speaker 1: There is a slight strategic advantage in doing burpees when
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  Speaker 1: you're five foot two compared to you two.
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  Speaker 4: It's a long way down and a long way up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, you can choose your exercise if you're
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  Speaker 1: injured and you can't. Like burpees are the traditional way
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  Speaker 1: of acknowledging it. But if you can't do that, you
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  Speaker 1: could do like pick up the medicine, a heavy ball,
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  Speaker 1: like a 30-kilo ball or something.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's not good for tall people either. What's the
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  Speaker 3: tall person exercise?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't pay attention.
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  Speaker 3: Wall balls. Wall balls.
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  Speaker 4: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the squat and like that situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, squat and throw it up to a height, which
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  Speaker 1: is my most hated exercise.
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  Speaker 3: So question, if you're taller, is the height higher? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, same height. Oh, we should be able to.
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  Speaker 2: You and I would have the same height to go to.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that doesn't seem fair.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of.
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  Speaker 3: CrossFit and high rocks and stuff, wow, there's been some
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  Speaker 3: things happen last week. So I will say– Talk me
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  Speaker 3: through how that happens.
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  Speaker 1: I have regularly in CrossFit– I've talked about this in
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  Speaker 1: the past– I wear special gym undies because when we're skipping–
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  Speaker 1: There's a bit of wee, but I wear the special
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  Speaker 1: gym undies to keep it all to myself. So obviously
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  Speaker 1: in High Rocks we have seen a young woman shit
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  Speaker 1: herself in the middle of a race and I feel
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  Speaker 1: really bad for her because she is a young woman
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  Speaker 1: and she's made, I think, a bad decision and that
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  Speaker 1: is going to follow her for a long time. She
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  Speaker 1: is doing what she can to try to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's handed back the title that she won that day.
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  Speaker 1: The event should have stopped her. You know, if she
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  Speaker 1: was bleeding, they would have said, you've got to go.
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  Speaker 1: So it should be any type of bodily fluid other
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  Speaker 1: than sweat. It's like, you're off, go and get that
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  Speaker 1: dealt with.
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  Speaker 3: So is my understanding of this wrong? It might not be,
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  Speaker 3: but you can't stop once you start? You know, like
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  Speaker 3: a marathon, you quite often see this sort of stuff
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  Speaker 3: in a marathon because you can't stop running.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what happens with those competitions?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you can stop anything, can't you? Like you can–
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not– no one had a gun to
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  Speaker 1: her head.
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  Speaker 3: No, but like if you're mid-race, you don't want to
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  Speaker 3: stop if you're.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't want to stop if you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: win something, but I would have thought– Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether she would have been disqualified if
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  Speaker 1: she left the course. She certainly would have lost her time.
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  Speaker 1: And I do know that with this HIROX event, they
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  Speaker 1: have several thousands of people coming through the course and
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  Speaker 1: they go through in waves. And so it might be
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  Speaker 1: hard to go off and go to the toilet and
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  Speaker 1: then come back on and rejoin the race.
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  Speaker 4: So can I ask them, and this is just, maybe
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  Speaker 4: I'm asking the dumb question. When you say she made
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel terribly sorry for her, right? Because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, her face got beamed around the world and
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  Speaker 4: she's clearly supremely fit and a great athlete. But this
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  Speaker 4: is what now she's known for. When you say she
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  Speaker 4: made a bad decision, was that the decision to not
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  Speaker 4: stop the race?
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought so.
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  Speaker 4: And so should, like, is the decision, should she have gone, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I need to relieve myself. I need to stop and
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  Speaker 4: go and do that elsewhere. Or is it, the case
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  Speaker 4: when you are working that hard that she almost didn't
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  Speaker 4: know and it happened and she should have stopped afterwards?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a very likely part of this scenario.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I think it is incumbent on the
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  Speaker 1: organisers to go, you know, like if she'd had a
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  Speaker 1: head knock from the back and was bleeding from the head,
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  Speaker 1: she wouldn't know that. But I would expect them to go,
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  Speaker 1: there is a contamination issue here, you've got to go
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  Speaker 1: and get yourself sorted. As we do with netballers, as
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  Speaker 1: we do with footballers, you go off, you get that sorted,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can come back and join play. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's on them. And I do think
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  Speaker 1: that when people are incredibly competitive athletes, that there is
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  Speaker 1: a level of focus. I say that, though, working very
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  Speaker 1: closely with some very high-level CrossFit athletes and who know
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with their body.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Do think that we need to give her the benefit
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  Speaker 1: of the doubt there. And I think that when you are,
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  Speaker 1: when we are training young people to be single-minded in
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  Speaker 1: pursuit of excellence and winning and the like, that sometimes
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be things they have to make judgment
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  Speaker 1: questions at the time. And I think this is what's
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  Speaker 1: happened here. But, and the issue is it's not running
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  Speaker 1: a marathon where you just, it runs down your leg
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  Speaker 1: and people can, you know, it is communal equipment. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like you run a kilometre, you pick up the
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  Speaker 1: wall balls, you do the wall balls, you run a kilometre,
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  Speaker 1: you pick up another piece of equipment, you do it.
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  Speaker 1: So very much a contamination issue very much a health
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  Speaker 1: and safety issue for people following her um.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah oh yeah right so in so many decisions
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  Speaker 4: that have to get made in a moment so hopefully
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  Speaker 4: the organizers of these things get it right can i
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  Speaker 4: talk to you guys about a completely different decision please
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  Speaker 4: please very interesting for the love of god so i
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  Speaker 4: had a very interesting experience last week uh On Tuesday,
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  Speaker 4: I spoke at a conference. Keynote speaking is what I do.
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  Speaker 4: It's my job. And I think I'm okay at it.
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  Speaker 4: And I spoke at this conference and I met some
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  Speaker 4: fabulous people and a woman at the end. So one
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  Speaker 4: of the things I talk about is making sure that
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  Speaker 4: things you make, you keep as much, you, you make
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  Speaker 4: sure that you're able to control things as much as possible. Right. So,
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  Speaker 4: and like, I bring it back to sports. So when
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  Speaker 4: you're in a game, if you blame the umpires at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the game, you lose the opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: actually assess the what's in your control? What can you
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  Speaker 4: do to be better next time? If you play the
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  Speaker 4: umpires and you actually never go back and, and assess,
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  Speaker 4: did I do it right? What can I do better?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: So I sort of sum it all up without giving
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  Speaker 4: too much away with a little phrase, right? And, and
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  Speaker 4: I keep going back to the phrase all the way through,
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  Speaker 4: through my talk. So I met this gorgeous, gorgeous woman
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  Speaker 4: at the end of it who came up and she
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  Speaker 4: wanted a photo with me, which we got. And then
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  Speaker 4: she asked me to write down this phrase and to
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  Speaker 4: sign it underneath. And I thought, oh, that's really cool. And, and,
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  Speaker 4: Then about three days later, somebody sent me a screenshot
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  Speaker 4: of this woman's social feed and she had taken what
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  Speaker 4: I had written and my autograph and got it tattooed
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  Speaker 4: onto her.
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  Speaker 3: No!
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  Speaker 2: Wow!
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  Speaker 4: What? like it was like i had a moment of
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  Speaker 4: like oh no what's she done she's tattooed it because
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  Speaker 4: i i wasn't as neat as i should have been
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  Speaker 4: i did a love heart liz ellis and the love
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  Speaker 4: heart didn't quite match up i was like no and
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  Speaker 4: then i mean i was really chuffed so i'm like
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  Speaker 4: oh wow that's amazing next level that's awesome it is
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  Speaker 4: but i hope i hope she doesn't regret it anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's obviously something that really struck.
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  Speaker 4: Her and she was she loved she watched me play netball.
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  Speaker 2: Struck her on her arse. No, it was on her wrist,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she was absolutely delightful and gorgeous and, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she was beautiful to talk to. But then when I
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  Speaker 4: saw her tattoo, I was like, oh, my God, I didn't,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I've never had that happen before.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. I know Irene Van Dyke has had that impact
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  Speaker 3: on someone before. I've seen a Van Dyke tattoo on someone.
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: The teensiest bit unsettling.
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  Speaker 3: I would think so i don't think with a quote
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  Speaker 3: like the fact that it's a motivational quote i think
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  Speaker 3: it makes it yeah it's not like oh can you
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  Speaker 3: sign my boob and now i've gone and got it
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  Speaker 3: tattooed yeah it's like you know about that yeah someone
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  Speaker 3: that much you want that on your body for.
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  Speaker 1: Life i will pay for the first dribbler who wants
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  Speaker 1: to write to me at info at no dribble.com.au we
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  Speaker 1: will pay for your no dribble tattoo.
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  Speaker 3: You We actually will. Ah. Oh, that is outstanding. Do
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  Speaker 3: we have a logo?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we have a logo.
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  Speaker 2: Christ.
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  Speaker 3: What is it?
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  Speaker 2: You wear it most weeks on your merch.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Catherine. Oh, my goodness. Carolyn puts hours and hours
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  Speaker 4: and hours into things like our logo. So you're supposed
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  Speaker 4: to say, how cool is it? I get a proper
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  Speaker 4: qualified person to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but no, even if it was just the logo,
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  Speaker 3: would we be happy or it's got a say no dribble?
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  Speaker 4: It's got a say no dribble.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, come on.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, dribblers. I'm surprised I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I will accept netballers do it without dribbling, which doesn't
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  Speaker 1: say no dribble but is inherently.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But don't just go and do it because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: clearly what will happen after this episode is we'll get
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  Speaker 1: 1,000 people go and get the tattoo and then say
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  Speaker 1: pay me back.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, it has to just be the
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  Speaker 2: first one. Right. really want us to be there if
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  Speaker 2: we possibly can.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. I need to go back to Bali.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know, like I had the, when I saw
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  Speaker 4: this photo of this woman, the first thought I had
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  Speaker 4: was the first thing my mum said to me when
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  Speaker 4: I got a tattoo. She was like, Elizabeth, that's permanent.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought what mum said was ridiculous and now
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  Speaker 4: I've just said the same thing, that do you know
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  Speaker 4: this is permanent. Anyway, look, I mean, Irene Van Dyke
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  Speaker 4: never got a Liz Ellis tattoo, but she certainly had.
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  Speaker 4: my imprint um on her yeah like that was about
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  Speaker 4: the only thing i could leave because she had the
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  Speaker 4: ball in her hands and shooting goals most of the
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  Speaker 4: time and i was just the mosquito all about this
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: in our summer series we can she is one of
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  Speaker 4: our interviewees.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah liz ellis is like many a pointy elbow in
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  Speaker 3: irene van dyke that's enough and.
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  Speaker 4: She still seems to like you Oh, yeah, we adore
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  Speaker 4: each other. I adore her. I've also left scars on
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  Speaker 4: Catherine's arm, on your wrist from my fingernails. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: These are, you know, marks that will just be special
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  Speaker 3: to me. Love forever.
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  Speaker 2: Little love bites almost.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.
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  Speaker 4: I have a tattoo story as well. Oh, do tell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, mine's a little less flattering though. So I told
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  Speaker 1: you that last weekend I was in Canberra and I
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  Speaker 1: had a gig there at the Canberra Theatre and then
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend bestest group of girlfriends came together one from
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  Speaker 1: another one from sydney one from melbourne and two of
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  Speaker 1: them live in canberra so we spent the weekend together
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  Speaker 1: and which is a wonderful joyous life affirming thing to
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  Speaker 1: spend time with your best friends laughing till we cried
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  Speaker 1: crying blah blah also hanging a lot of shit on
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  Speaker 1: me so um as you would expect is it always
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  Speaker 1: you though No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: We're very even. We're very equal.
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  Speaker 1: We really believe in mocking one another. But it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of two to one.
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  Speaker 2: So two.
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  Speaker 4: You're the best.
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  Speaker 2: I love you the most.
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  Speaker 1: And then one part hanging shit on one another. But
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  Speaker 1: we went shopping. And so, Liz, you were saying you
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  Speaker 1: were in the Canberra Centre and you bought that amazing
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  Speaker 1: white suit.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, I'll never wear a white suit. And
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  Speaker 2: you said you should.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I saw Sarah Jones from Fox Footy on her
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and she had this gorgeous white suit on. So
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  Speaker 1: I did some internet sleuthing, some reverse image search on
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  Speaker 1: Google and found found out that it is a designer
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  Speaker 1: and they were in Canberra. I can't remember who it was.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Valance, I think. It was a short sleeve, white jacket,
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  Speaker 1: nice little fitted one and a pair of pants. And
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  Speaker 1: I was going to try that on. And then on
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  Speaker 1: the way, we got distracted and I bought another dress
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else. And I went, all right, that's it. My
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  Speaker 1: budget's out. We're not going to go and look at
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  Speaker 1: the suit. And my friends who are obviously enablers.
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  Speaker 2: We're saying, no, no, we should, we should, we should.
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  Speaker 1: Describe the suit. And I said, well, it's a white suit.
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  Speaker 1: And then one of them said, well, you can't wear
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  Speaker 1: a white suit because if you do, you would look
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  Speaker 1: like Tattoo from Fantasy Island.
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  Speaker 2: The plane, the plane. The plane, the plane.
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  Speaker 1: And so I knew instinctively that I shouldn't wear a
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  Speaker 1: white suit, but it took one of my dearest friends
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  Speaker 1: to actually tell me why I felt that at.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: A cellular level. Sometimes you need that mirror just shoved
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: down your throat.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: So when I take a day off from getting shit
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: hung on me from you two, I go elsewhere and
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: other people are happy to do it. There is so
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: much giving amongst my beautiful friends.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, well, yes. Now I can visualise it. I'm
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: glad you didn't buy the suit either.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: But it looks amazing on Sarah Jones.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Most things do look amazing on Sarah Jones.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a little break and
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: then come back and talk about Constellation Cup.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Woo-hoo.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we are coming up to that Constellation Cup.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It is very soon. We're nearly out of September. And
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: last week, Catherine, I love that you listened to the podcast.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the Constellation Cup and I
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: talked about the actual cup itself and the design.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: But.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: You've got some beef with some factual information that we
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: got wrong.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: It was accurate for the past. It was accurate. No,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: it was accurate. And I don't know that it's actually
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: been shared, so no one.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Would know, which is why I'm here. Well, that's why
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: we have you.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: But you did say a few times, we don't know
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: how long the fourth game's going to go. You know, blah, blah, blah.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Double, extra, triple, overtime.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that stuff was talked about. The rules
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: have changed. Because let's be honest, that was a shit
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: ending last year.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: It was a shit ending, yeah.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, we all wanted it, right?
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: It's a better ending than Hawthorne fans had on the weekend.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: The right team won.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: But we all wanted game five. We were screaming from
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the rooftops and we got it of sorts last year,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: so we can't complain about that. But it was not
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: a great ending. I don't think for anybody. New Zealand
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: had won that fourth game and then all of a
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: sudden Australia. I don't think anyone really got to get
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: excited about too much after that one. So. This year,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: each match will be played to an outright win-loss. Where
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: a match is tied at full-time, the extra time rules
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: will be implemented. This being four-minute interval that will take
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: place at the end of regulation time. Then extra time
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: will consist of two times seven-minute halves, okay? So nothing
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: too odd in that. In the event of a tie
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: at the end of extra time, teams will keep playing
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: until one team is up by two goals, okay? All time.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Half of the course.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: So it's a bit golden point-ish.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: It's sort of– yeah. That's to get a.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Winner of the actual game being played at the time. Yeah.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: At the conclusion of the fourth match, including extra time,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: if the series concludes with the team's level on equal
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: number of wins, the winner of the series and the
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Constellation Cup trophy will be decided by the greater goal percentage. Ah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Goes on to say, if the teams continue to be
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: tied following the calculation of goal percentage, then the Constellation
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Cup will be retained by the country who won the
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: previous year's Constellation Cup series.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Right. So that's a for and against type thing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And that's what we saw in First Nations on the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: weekend is that WA went in over New South Wales.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Did we see that in Super Netball? Did the Swifts
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: come in above? Lightning on the final ladder based on.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, that was so three months ago. Okay.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, God, yeah. Who knows?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: But interesting, isn't it? So, I mean, it doesn't sound
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be as exciting as a fifth game.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: It also sounds a little bit deflating.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: It does. It does again. But what do you do?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: We want more games played. I don't think we can
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: get five. Should we go back to three?
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, we should get five. We should aim to get five.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: At some point in the future.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So there you go, people. Just to clarify.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I would like there to be five, if anyone's listening.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I would like there to be seven, 15.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, like the World Series. That stuff goes on.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting how they have the World Series in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the United States in games that no one else plays?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I noticed this when I was watching the AFL on
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the weekend. And I have just been loving watching the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: AFL and I've loved watching the Swifts boys stand up and, like, really,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you know, go hard at the back end of the season.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I know the fans are devastated but I think you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: should be enormous.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: The Swans boys?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Swans.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm like, who are the Swifts boys?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Who are they?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: The Swifts boys. They sound fabulous.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, the Swans.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And I think their fans should be enormously proud and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I know that they are. But I was watching the Hawthorne–
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Brisbane game on the weekend, which was an absolute heartbreak
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: for Hawthorne, but a sensational game. And I'm not even
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a big AFL person, but it's like that was exciting.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: But there was a commentator and he's five times All-Australian.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's all you can be in AFL.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: There's no international representative in this sport. So I think
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's when they pick like the team of the year.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So they go the best person for each position they
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: choose a kind of fantasy AFL team.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: They do often play. I think they go to Ireland
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and play Gaelic.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: The Gaelic football.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Like a hybrid Gaelic AFL one. But, you know, that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: World Series, you know, the World Series baseball, I used
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: to think the same thing. And then I got corrected
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: one day, correctly, by someone who pointed out that it's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: called the World Series because it used to be sponsored
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: by the World newspaper. And so that was how it originated.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: The World Series originated. It was the World Series. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: then the world newspapers stopped sponsoring, but they'd already kept going.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: They'd already given it the name. The old Sheffield Shield
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: for cricket, they'd already given it the name, so they
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: kept it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And you could probably argue that the world's best players
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: are still playing in the baseball league.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Japan is very big in baseball now. I think that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Canada and I think– Cuba.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Cuba.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Cuba have a massive baseball.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: So there are, you know, I would think it's like
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: netball that you might have a preponderance of the best
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: players in the world coming from one country. But there
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: are certainly other countries that are really kind of shaking.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: How great is this, a baseball podcast? And I bet
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: some men get upset at us again this week.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: The meat tray is a massive baseball fan, so he
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: will listen to this and say to me, oh, my goodness, Elizabeth,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: and I'll say, stay in your own lane, dude. and
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: that is how my marriage works.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: We were in New York when the Yankees were in
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: their World Series, weren't we? It was Game 7. We
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: were there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they won the World Series.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: We couldn't go, but we went and bought all the merch.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: We were decked out.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Pete and I got to a game in New York
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that was a big game. We just went to the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: stadium and stood out the front there and just waited,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and the game had started. It's like, you know, it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: just up the road, so get on the train and go.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The game had started and a guy pulled up and said,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: do you guys want tickets? And his wife was in
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a wheelchair but she couldn't get an accessible ticket because
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: when she'd bought, it was a, It was a timing
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: thing of the going into a wheelchair relative to the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: season and they couldn't do it. And so we ended
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: up buying their tickets from them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: And going in.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But, you know, there's a reason you have– a sport
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that has a seventh inning stretch, it's like, come on,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you can make this game a bit shorter. And I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: say that as someone who loves test cricket.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It's a long game. There you go.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But Constellation Cup, we also have news out of New Zealand.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I would have thought a little bit quite late in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the piece, but– Dame Noeline Tarawa has been confirmed as.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: The Silver Ferns coach through to the World Cup.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So she had been confirmed for the Constellation Cup, but
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: not beyond that. And in the past week, she's been
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: confirmed as the coach through to the World Cup.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So she bloody should be.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: God, absolutely.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really excited about this. They've got such a
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: good thing going at the moment. It would have seemed,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're Australia with your Australian green and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: gold goggles on, you don't want her appointed. But she
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: has been and I think that's what should have happened.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It's such a positive for New Zealand and netball given
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: everything that they've been through as well, which you guys
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: spoke about last week. But it's exciting.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is exciting.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: And it may then mean that it's exciting for our
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: favourite Bryony Akel too because she'll go with the package
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of coaching. So she'll be able to hang around for
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: that World Cup, which will be amazing.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: What an amazing experience she is getting in that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Incredible. That's so good.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I hope she's back in the fold coaching for Australia
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: at some stage soon too. There is something before we
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: go to a break we do need to talk about.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So we talked about this at length. Liz, I'm not
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: anticipating that you're going to participate in this conversation, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we do need to talk about Sarah Clough. And this
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is all just based on information that's in the public domain.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So the integrity process has gone through. She was given
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a match banned for several games but fully suspended so
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: effectively it means that she does not miss any games
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: there is acknowledgement of the fact that this has been
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a that she was genuinely contrite that this behavior is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: very much out of character and i don't think anyone
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is disagreeing with that assertion but i don't love it
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: i don't love it either.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: For me it's not so much the incident now so
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: much as not owning up to the truth when there
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: was a selection happening and when there.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Was a big tournament. So I think she has owned
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: up to that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: No, but after the fact. There was no, this is
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: what's happened, that doesn't sit well with me. And I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: feel like missing a couple of games would have been,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I think, a good way to have just, you know, said, look,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: we're not going to tolerate this sort of stuff. It's
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: only a couple of games. She's not going to be
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: stupid enough to do anything in the next 12 months
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and that's going to warrant the suspension coming into play
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: because it's a World Cup year. So to me it
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: feels a bit like an empty throat. But anyway, that's
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: what's happened. She'll be wrapped. This is done and dusted
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and can now get on with the Constellation Cup. But
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: this selection I think will be very interesting.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And it is important, you know, so she went to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the Australian, like she went through the Australian judicial system
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and there was no penalty imposed upon her. We can't
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: just go athletes need to face multiple levels of punishment
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and You know, it's like she was given no penalty
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: having faced a court and the like. So I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it's really, it is very important that we don't just go, oh, well.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: we all get to decide what happens here. There are
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: systems and there are processes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But like you, I sort of thought.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe it would have been good for something to, because
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: what is that Abraham Lincoln quote? It's not just that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: justice has to be done, justice has to be seen
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to be done. And I'm just, I'm a little bit
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: bleh about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: But anyway.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I will say that the integrity process was thorough. obviously,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: and I can't say too much. And that's all I
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: have to say about that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's all any of us have to say
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: about that. We should take a little break and then
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: come back and talk about something else. And once again,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I've written down some stuff, but I don't know it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: what we agreed.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: To talk about. So let's talk about that in the break.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: We'll be back in a moment.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Music All right, we are back and Liz has reminded
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: me of what I was going to talk about and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I have an Ask the Goat and.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It is from the UK.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Now, what I will do is I'm going to take
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: an action, Dribblers, because we've had a few people say,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: How do I volunteer at the Netball World Cup? And
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know if the Netball
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: World Cup has got that. I'm sure they have got
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that in train. They have been very busy and thorough.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to ask when we can expect to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: hear more information about those of you who wish to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: give your time and energy back. to that, how you
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: can make an expression of interest and be involved in
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the like. And it warms my heart that we have
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: so many people knowing that this is an event that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to want to be part of. And I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: remember with Sydney 2000 thinking.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Why the hell are you a volunteer? And then afterwards going,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I wish I'd volunteered.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I have a question from Sarah Bostock over in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the UK. She's a UK listener here. We always refer
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to Australia as down under. Does that make England up over?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Don't know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: It's a good thought.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But she has got some stuff about– she's got a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: robot vacuum cleaner called Henry and her parents have Harry, Hetty,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Wetty and the robot vacuum cleaner. So if robots take
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: over the world, it may start at her parents' house
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and she's sorry about that. But her question is about–
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Pathways and England pathways. And so the current England team,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: more defensively than attacking circle, seem to have an issue
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: with height. We have Jazz Brown, but she's coming back
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: from an Achilles rupture. But goalkeepers in particular were struggling
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And then she.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Talks in detail about the various heights. So Fumi is fantastic,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but primarily a goal defence and at 5'9, 176 centimetres
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: for the Aussies. on the shorter side for the top-ranking
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: defensive circles of the world.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Vertical jump is.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Amazing, but I do feel for England to progress, we
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: need more height. So how do we get that? Leading
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: up to the London 2012 Olympics and after, we had
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a program called Girls for Gold, where girls were tested
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in schools and universities for certain attributes, and were then
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: invited into further testing in certain sports, rowing, skeleton, cycling,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: et cetera.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And it worked.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Many Girls for Gold athletes have won medals in those sports.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: How great, right?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: In the Olympics, world champs, and often in quite a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: short period of time. Think there was a gold medalist
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: rower who only started rowing three years before.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: From the Girls for Gold.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So she's wondering if there's any sort of testing program
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in Australia and New Zealand to identify young girls and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: invite or encourage them into certain netball training centres, Or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is it that netball is so popular in the age
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: groups of Australia that there is enough athletes and there
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is no need to do any national testing?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Interesting. Excellent question. So I think it's the latter. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: think that netball is so popular that there's not a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: need to do national testing. But because we are seeing
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: lots of other sports now have developed their own pathways
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: into women's professional competitions, netball has had to get better
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: at running its talent pathways and its talent IDs. So
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I can only speak from my experience in New South Wales,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: where there are, when you go to junior state championships,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: which is got like thousands of kids, like there's 3,000
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: kids and their families. And so I'd hate to be
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: a selector and some of our old teammates, Coxia selectors.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: they've got lists and they go around and they tell
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: an ID kids.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So where do those lists come from? Does that list
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: come from an association saying, I reckon you should take
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a look at this one?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: No, they just have the list of the players. So
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: if you're playing for St George or Sutherland or Ballina
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: or Hawkesbury or wherever, there's a list of players and
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: they just tell an ID. And I don't know if
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: they've got a bit of a matrix going, okay, well,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: we need to find all the tall kids. And they
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: used to have tall Timbers camps, remember, Coxie, years ago?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you remember there was a bit of
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: a blow-up because all the shorter kids felt like they
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: were missing out, so then they made a Dynamos as well.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: That's right. So they had all– and I think they
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: now just roll.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: The tattoos.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: The tattoos.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: And you don't have to get tattooed. So, yeah, so
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: now they roll it all into one, and I don't
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: know if they have– like part of that is their
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: sort of selection matrix. They probably do, you know, we're
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: looking for a certain amount of kids over this height,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: looking a certain amount of kids with this sort of,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know, build or skillset or whatever. So really,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: because netball is still the number one sport for women
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: and girls in this country in terms of participation, then
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's not about identifying young women and girls
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: who are outside of the sport. It's about making sure
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: that the ones who are in and have potential get
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: talent ID and brought through. So, In New South Wales
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: at the under 14 state champs last year, they named
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the one that my daughter played at. They named, I think,
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  Speaker 4: 70 kids who were talent ID'd and 50 of them
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  Speaker 4: got invited to come to Sydney for a training day
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and they all got fitness tested and the data all
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: went in. And then this year with under 15s, it
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: was the same thing. So they're going through and then
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: you start then making your way through into the under
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: 17s where you're trialling for the New South Wales team
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: or your state team or whatever. So All the states
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: will have a similar sort of pathway where they sort
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: of try and identify the athletes when they're 13, 14, 15,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: and then you start to feed them through into your
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: pathway and give them a bit of incentive to stay
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: in and then turn up and be selected for the
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: 17th and off you go.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever make those selections after the state age champs?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. So I made– they used to call
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: it the talent squad back in the day. Did you?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: No, never.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, didn't you?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting and that's something to tell your daughters
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: or the young people in your life. And, again, a reminder,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Catherine Cox was a defender until she was 16, didn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: start shooting until she was 16.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That's probably why.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Does she have any talent? Not that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we've discovered yet. Not in defence.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but so and it's interesting, right, so I turned
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: up to my first ever under-17 selections and I was
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: a goal shooter. And I did not get selected. Oh, wow.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: So the next year I turned up when I was
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: top age and said, okay, here's my proper positions. I'm
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: a goalkeeper and a goal defence.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Did you identify that yourself?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I didn't want to play goalkeeper and I
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: was like, no, I want to play goal shooter. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: then I went to selections and I went, no, I'm
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: not good enough.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the red hot tip for the reps
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: tryouts when you're 9 or 10, 11 and 12 or whatever.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: is say you play wing defence or goalkeeper and you'll get.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: More court time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, big time. 100%.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So if you want.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: To have an opportunity to kind of warm up and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: feel like they've had plenty of opportunities to see me,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: don't say you're a goal attack.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Or just ensure you're going to hit water if you
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: fall out of the boat, which clearly Liz did not
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: when she tried out a goal shooter. No goals. No goals,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: none from 10.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nah, it wasn't good. Well, that's very interesting. So
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: the talent pathway in Australia is a bit different, right?
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: We don't need to find those, like go and find
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: some six-foot-tall players who are, you know, at a high
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: school that might be playing something else. But I suspect
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: it would be interesting to see what the rest of
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: the world does if netball is included in the 2032
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Olympics because you'd have to assume that there would be
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: countries who were trying then to, qualify for the Olympics
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: qualified team and how do you build your team? You've
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: got to go and talent ID them from other sports
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: and I think that would be really fascinating.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I do remember it happening at the AIS when I
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: was down there on scholarship. They were bringing athletes in
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: from all different places and then running them through all
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the testing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well, the NFL started coming to Australia to get so
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that the American footballers.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they run combines.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to do because AFL players have these amazing kicking
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: skills and My friend's son was over, now has a
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: career in NFL and now is in coaching because it
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: was just one of these come down and try out
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and that was in Hornsby or Browra or somewhere like that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It's just crazy. So they are, you know.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of the sports are really looking at the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: individual skills and targeting that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of sports over the years
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: have looked at netball players and gone, how can we
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: repurpose this athlete into another sport? So we've got teammates
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: who have done that, who have gone to other sports
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: because they've been seen by coaches at the AIS or
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: somewhere like that. And they haven't made it into the
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: next phase of their netball career. And the coach is going, right,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: off you come to rowing or off you come to.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: European handball was quite a symmetry.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Jane Olschwager, didn't she? Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: And it's Olympic sport.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is amazing.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Tia Clare Toomey, who was the world's most successful CrossFitter,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: did a seven times world champion, was in the Australian
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Olympic team for bobsled and because of the strength in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: her legs and a Commonwealth Games medalist weightlifter because there's
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of Olympic lifting in CrossFit.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Well, similar to Jana Pittman. She did the bobsled as well.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Didn't she?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Did she? Yeah, yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Because she's amazing. Summer and winter Olympics. She's a doctor. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: and a doctor, yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: She's just incredible.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Overachiever and a mother of like five kids. I know.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should– that's what we were talking– the Amazing Race,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I reckon we were talking about reality shows. The Amazing
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Race is the one I'd like to go on and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think that– I think my son and I could do.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Quite well on the Amazing Race together.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get on there.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: She did that with her son. I thought, what a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: lovely opportunity. All right, I have one more message from
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the UK. But, Liz, thank you for that. That was
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: very interesting. So Alice in London– so– Alice is very smart.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: She has sent a message to me and she talks
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: about Venn diagrams. And, you know, if you talk about
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Venn diagrams, you're going to have my interest. You had
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: me at, hello, you had me at Venn diagram.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I just had a micro sleep.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Alice knows, I know Liz proudly reps the midpoint in
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: camping and netball Venn diagrams. So I wanted to let
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you know I shout loud and proud for the theatre
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: netball intersect community.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I smiled so much when you mentioned The Shark is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Broken as I worked on that show when it ran
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: in the West End. I regularly quote the pearls of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: wisdom you and all the brilliant people of Netball showcase
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: day in and day out at the theatre.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I work at now.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You are my role models for leadership and working hard
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and Netball has made me the team player I am today.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And that's from Alice Rickett in London.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Alice. We love that message.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: That's so cool.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: How does Carolyn stay awake in the theatre? That's a
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: question back to you.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't fall asleep in The Shark is Broken.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh, you did fall a little
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: nap when we went to see Les Mis as well,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: didn't you?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Do you hear the people snore?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER But, yeah, thank you and thanks again to everyone
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: for all of your lovely messages.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Keep them coming.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And I will take an action to talk to the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Netball World Cup people and try to give us a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of an update on– when the volunteer call-out
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: will occur.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: This is great, this podcast.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like, you get the gossip about who are the signings
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and you get a discount on Constellation Cup tickets.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: One-stop shop. Now I'm going to find out about that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: We are a one-stop shop.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Tell your friends, please keep growing our beautiful community of just,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you know, we just try to make a happy place for.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: People in their week. So.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, we could say that we are the Ms Brightside's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of the internet and that would be another good segue.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know that song has been in the UK
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: top 100 for 10 years?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Mr Brightside, yep, by The Killers, which is I have
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: nominated that in the past as my that's the song
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I put on at parties to try to get people dancing.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: No song has ever made it for five years and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: these guys.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Are ten now.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: That is nuts.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just fine.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But that is all we have time for this week.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for another couple of wonderful episodes.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: My name's Carolyn Swindell.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I'm Kath Cox.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I'm Liz Ellis.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday week.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I'm not like you. It's over.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: No, it's not over until we say it's over. Bye. Bye.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: So now that we have finished the podcast, I'll admit something.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: When you started your foie gras chat, the whole time
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I thought you were talking about cheese. And then you
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: said something about it being. No, but even before that
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: you're saying something about it not being appropriate or something anymore.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: What did you, how did you word it?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: We were talking about animal welfare.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, what, for cheese?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: What am I missing?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Fromage.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That's fromage.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, fromage.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should have been a little more sober in
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: France when you attacked the fromage cart.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, the fromage got one back on me, I.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Can assure you of that. This is why we love it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, funny.