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#1843 Q&A with Perry & Harps - Perry Venakis (PT2) · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Gooday, champions, Welcome back to another installment of the project.
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Speaker 1: That's you. Perry and I had a big chat yesterday
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Speaker 1: about all things, you know, food and training and lifestyle
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Speaker 1: and health, and we were doing something of a Q
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Speaker 1: and A around your cues and our a's that went forever,
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Speaker 1: was very long. We were both very verbose. I really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. We did not intend to do a two part.
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Speaker 1: We intended to do a one part of about forty
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Speaker 1: five sixty minutes. It ended up being double that or more,
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Speaker 1: and so here we are. We turned it into two bits.
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Speaker 1: This is bit too. Perry Anarchus and himself enjoy it. Alrighty,
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Speaker 1: giddy up, this is fun. The next one is from
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Speaker 1: Melissa Allen. Shout out to you, Melissa, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: even going to answer because this is straight into your wheelhouse.
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Speaker 1: The question is should you consume prot soon before or
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Speaker 1: after strength training? Pezza?
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Speaker 2: Oh that look. I hear this one all the time
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Speaker 2: and I love it. And it sort of goes against
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Speaker 2: the rules sometimes, but the science is there and the
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Speaker 2: results are there so simple. If you haven't had enough
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Speaker 2: protoin in the day, has some protein after the workout.
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Speaker 2: If you've had protein before your workout, have your protein
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Speaker 2: later in the day, it doesn't matter. It's not critical.
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Speaker 2: This anabolic window that we got told you've got to
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Speaker 2: be there it's exactly twenty two minutes at eighteen seconds,
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Speaker 2: otherwise you will fade away does not exist. There is
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Speaker 2: an anabolic response. There is, but it all depends on
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Speaker 2: the amount of protein they eat through the day. And
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, it's your total protein intake that matters.
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Speaker 2: So if I've eaten w We're talking about one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty grands of protein in the day, and I've
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Speaker 2: done a workout, having protein before or after, it means
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Speaker 2: no difference to me. You'll still get the same antabolic response.
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Speaker 2: There's no magic hate. Guess what, I've had one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty grands. But now I'm going to have a
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Speaker 2: protain shake straight after a workout, I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: five QoS. Figger, It doesn't work that way.
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Speaker 1: Can you just explain to our listeners that when we
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Speaker 1: say anabolic, we're not talking about steroids or gear. Just
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Speaker 1: tell because I think when you use the word anabolic,
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Speaker 1: people like I don't fucking use that. Well, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we all have anabolic and catabolic responses. Just explain what
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Speaker 1: an anabolic response is.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm glad you pointing that out, because now
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Speaker 2: I've got a big smile on my face. Go oops,
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Speaker 2: that was a bit of an anabolic means for your
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Speaker 2: muscles to grow. So you're in what we call a
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Speaker 2: positive nitrogen balance. In other words, you're not losing muscle.
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Speaker 2: You've done your workout, You've done created a stimulus from
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Speaker 2: that mechanical tension as a response, and your muscle is
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Speaker 2: now growing. That is known as an anabolic response to training.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and catabolic everyone is the opposite. Catabolic is
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Speaker 1: basically muscle wasting or tears down muscle. And interestingly, you
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Speaker 1: might want to add to this or not peirs, but interestingly,
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Speaker 1: when we are stressed, when we are anxious, one of
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Speaker 1: the hormones we produce is cortisol, and cordisole is catabolic.
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Speaker 1: And so literally, stress and anxiety and lack of sleep
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Speaker 1: and overthinking. I'm not trying to make anyone stressed. I
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Speaker 1: don't want you to get stressed about your stress. But
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Speaker 1: you know, all of those things, stress, anxiety, under sleeping,
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Speaker 1: all of those things actually have a negative impact on
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Speaker 1: your capacity to build muscle, build strength, and keep it.
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Speaker 1: So there's a real there's a relationship between nervous system,
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Speaker 1: endocrime system, and muscular system and our ability to build
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Speaker 1: and maintain muscle. Pezza one of.
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Speaker 2: The things people need to realize though, because I've seen
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Speaker 2: people take that information and look at it as an
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Speaker 2: extreme right. They'll say, cortisol will break down muscle, so
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Speaker 2: I should not have any cortisol. That's crazy. We need
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Speaker 2: quordisof for the body of the fund, we need estrogen
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Speaker 2: for the body to function, and when need testosterone for
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Speaker 2: the body to function. So it's making sure we don't
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Speaker 2: have elevated quartersole response to our natural ability. And that's
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Speaker 2: one thing I'd like to lays fear up with people
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Speaker 2: because I've had this discussion where I've looked at someone's
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Speaker 2: bloodworks and we've gone through and I've gone, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: my quartersole it's four hundred and twenty two millim and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, well it's not over six hundred and
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Speaker 2: you took it after you had a cup of coffee.
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Speaker 2: What do you expect. That's okay, You're not going to die,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to lose muscling, You'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: You know that is so interesting, right, you just said something,
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Speaker 1: then you had your blood test done after a cup
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Speaker 1: of coffee or whatever. Right, isn't it funny how it
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Speaker 1: depends on the time of day, or it depends on
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Speaker 1: the state you're in, or the environment you're in, or
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Speaker 1: how much sleep you had, or what you've been doing
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Speaker 1: all morning. Like, your blood work could come up quite
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Speaker 1: different even if you had the same tests done, you know,
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Speaker 1: four weeks every Monday for four weeks, your blood work
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Speaker 1: could come up quite differently depending on what you've done
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Speaker 1: in each of those weeks.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, one hundred percent. I'll interrupt you here at
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Speaker 2: a classic example. I had a kind that would eat
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Speaker 2: a big carbohydrate meal. Look you, the potatoes were passa
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Speaker 2: before they go to bed. Then they get their blood
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Speaker 2: tests done in the morning, and they always showed elevated
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Speaker 2: blood glucose response. But they were going, right, we're on
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Speaker 2: borderline top of two diabetes. Whatever. I've looked at the
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Speaker 2: blood test, look at the lifestyle, and laughed and I went,
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Speaker 2: let's flip this around. Let's see you have your pasta
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Speaker 2: for breakfast and have your vegetables and salads at night,
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Speaker 2: or just some eggs or whatever, and sea within six
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Speaker 2: to twelve weeks, all their blood glucose levels for back
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Speaker 2: to normal. And the doctor's going, oh, you've obviously done
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Speaker 2: something different, You've taken some medication, whatever, And it's like, nah,
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Speaker 2: we just changed the environment. Why are you eating and
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Speaker 2: when you're eating? That made such a big difference on
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Speaker 2: this person.
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Speaker 1: My last one just quickly. They used to you kind
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Speaker 1: of touched on this last question. But there used to
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Speaker 1: be this widely held theory in the bodybuilding community. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how scientific it was. I guess is not
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Speaker 1: very but that we could only absorb or assimilate thirty
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Speaker 1: grams of protein at a time, which seems like a
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Speaker 1: very round and specific number considering some people weigh fifty
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Speaker 1: kilos and some people weigh one hundred and thirty and
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Speaker 1: everybody's got a different gut biome, and everybody's you know,
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Speaker 1: got different receptors and responds differently. What is is there?
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Speaker 1: Any number? Is there? Like? What is that about? Is
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Speaker 1: that bullshit? Is there something in that?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I was taught at the university the same thing.
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Speaker 2: It's thirty grams of protein at one sitting, and that's
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Speaker 2: why you need to space out your protein depending on
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Speaker 2: what you've eate them with that meal stuff it's a
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Speaker 2: carbohydrate based meal and you've had more protin than that.
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Speaker 2: That protein will actually then be converted into ureaq acid
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Speaker 2: and go go to the byproduct can become ureque acid
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Speaker 2: and you pee that out. So you're actually peeing out
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Speaker 2: your protein if you haven't had carbohydrates and your low
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Speaker 2: on food and that we'll still keep the protein in
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Speaker 2: there we're floating around. The body won't be urinated, and
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Speaker 2: then it might assisting maintaining a little bit of muscle
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Speaker 2: mass for a longer period of time. I've like, there's
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Speaker 2: been this speculation that we can absorb one hundred grands
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Speaker 2: of protein. There was a study done where the guys
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Speaker 2: had one hundred graands of protein in one sitting, and
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Speaker 2: we've got, oh, look at this. This throws everything out
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Speaker 2: the window when we look deeper into that study. Though
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Speaker 2: the study was done with one the type of person
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Speaker 2: that they were using was an untrained athlete et cetera
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Speaker 2: or untrained person, I should say. And secondly, the type
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Speaker 2: of protect they were giving them a milk based protein.
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Speaker 2: I think it was casing PROTECT and they're basically just
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Speaker 2: drinking in one hit and saying, look it's all gotten
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Speaker 2: through the body, we haven't lost it and whatever. So
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Speaker 2: what this has really done in let's say the nutrition
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Speaker 2: and dietitians environment, it's opened up a window to discuss
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Speaker 2: this more and to research more and say, listen, what
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Speaker 2: happens when we're at more protein? Will it be assimilated
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Speaker 2: for muscle protein synthesis? Can we get away with having
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Speaker 2: one meal a day and that's it what we'll do.
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Speaker 2: So it's really rattled a lot of people. My own
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Speaker 2: personal experience and what I've found and from the research
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Speaker 2: that I've done, plays a lot with if you're eating
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Speaker 2: a protein source that so we're having a steak and
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Speaker 2: in that steak you've had so much amount and there's
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Speaker 2: fifty or sixty grams of protein in that steak. What
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Speaker 2: we find is that the amino acid loose thing that's
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Speaker 2: found in that steak is like a switch. It turns
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Speaker 2: on and turns off, So it turns on your body's
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Speaker 2: ability to grow muscle and maintain muscle mass. Right. What
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Speaker 2: we're finding is is that if it's let's say, insider
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Speaker 2: the thirty grams you've got that fifty or sixty grams
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Speaker 2: of protein. Because your loose thin content is higher. That
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Speaker 2: means it's going to stain your blood system longer. It
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Speaker 2: means that the end talk, that ability for the body
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Speaker 2: to keep growing muscle will stay on longer. So therefore
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Speaker 2: you will grow more muscle. And that's the latest concept
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Speaker 2: that's coming out some way on. If we have forty
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Speaker 2: or fifty grams of protein and there's more loosing in there,
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Speaker 2: that light switch, that little candle that comes on is
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Speaker 2: staying on for longer. Therefore we're growing muscle for longer.
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Speaker 2: And for the bodybuilding environment, Everyone's gone, who who, here
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Speaker 2: we go. I'm going to you haven't my six hundred
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Speaker 2: names of stake and that problems at all? And a
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Speaker 2: produce shake and four eggs.
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting. It's like I only ate two meals
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Speaker 1: a day now, and I've done that for about the
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Speaker 1: last which is and I've said this many times, that's
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Speaker 1: not a recommendation, because I don't think that's actually a
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Speaker 1: good idea for most people. But for me, when I
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Speaker 1: don't eat lunch, I actually feel better through the day.
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Speaker 1: And again, you know, like I'm saying everyone, I actually
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Speaker 1: don't think this is a good protocol for most people.
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Speaker 1: But there's only one me, and there's only one me
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Speaker 1: who lives in this body. There's only one of this
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Speaker 1: body and one of me, and for me, that's what works.
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Speaker 1: But I think that you know, being able to understand
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Speaker 1: how your body is going to respond to different things
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Speaker 1: as well as you know, whatever whatever's resonating for you
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Speaker 1: today is to maybe maybe the idea is to go,
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Speaker 1: like I said earlier, just just change something a bit,
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Speaker 1: but don't change seven things. Even if if you do
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Speaker 1: one thing for a week and then try another thing,
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Speaker 1: and the thing that you try could be I'm going
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Speaker 1: to train in the afternoon, not the morning. Or I'm
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Speaker 1: going to train in the morning not the afternoon, or
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna, like Perry said, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get a protein powder so I can get you know,
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Speaker 1: an easy thirty grams of protein every now and then
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Speaker 1: rather than having a steak or a chicken breast or
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Speaker 1: some eggs or cooking a meal or you know. Like,
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Speaker 1: But but what that thing that you do, that change
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Speaker 1: that you make, My advice would be again, take it
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Speaker 1: or leave it. Do it systematically and methodically and consistently
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Speaker 1: for a period of time while keeping all the other
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Speaker 1: variables pretty much the same, because otherwise we don't know
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Speaker 1: what the fuck works. You know. I remember when I
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Speaker 1: it was actually in COVID mate. So in Melbourne, we
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Speaker 1: weren't allowed to go more than seven feet from the
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Speaker 1: house or you'd be shot dead, right, and like it
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Speaker 1: was fucking ridiculous. But anyway, that's for another time. But
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Speaker 1: the gyms were closed. You couldn't you know, there were
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Speaker 1: so many things that you couldn't do. But like I
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Speaker 1: has this peasive this is a side issue, but I
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Speaker 1: literally did not have a human in my house other
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Speaker 1: than me for a year. I did not have one
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Speaker 1: human being because people weren't allowed to come over. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because I don't have a wife, or my parents lived
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Speaker 1: in the country. They couldn't even drive down, right, I
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Speaker 1: couldn't drive up, you know, all these things. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: one of the byproducts was that I was sitting more
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Speaker 1: than ever so that I gained you know, not a lot,
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Speaker 1: but probably three kilos maybe four kilos of lard of quiet,
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Speaker 1: prime quality Australian fucking lard. And you know, I was
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Speaker 1: just for me a bit like oh, and I felt
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Speaker 1: a bit shit and I you know like I functioned
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Speaker 1: a bit shit, and if I'm being completely vain, I
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Speaker 1: looked a bit shit anyway. So I said to myself,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have a week where I eat breakfast
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Speaker 1: and dinner and that's it. And there wasn't any longer
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Speaker 1: term plan. I went, I'm going to do that because
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to cut out seven meals this
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Speaker 1: week and I've got a bit like I've got these
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Speaker 1: four kilos of fat that I need to do something
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Speaker 1: with anyway. Day one, because I was doing my PhD
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Speaker 1: then still fucking al'spend forever and work and podcasts. Day one,
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Speaker 1: when I normally like I was getting a bit tired
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon every afternoon, Like where now it's three
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Speaker 1: oh seven as we're recording in Melbourne. I feel fucking great.
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Speaker 1: There's no tiredness right But about this time every day,
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Speaker 1: maybe an hour earlier, I would get tired. But from
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Speaker 1: the moment I started eliminating lunch, I went through the
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Speaker 1: whole day and my energy was better than when I
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Speaker 1: ate lunch. I'm like, ah, And that wasn't an intention
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Speaker 1: or even a thought in my mind, and that it
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Speaker 1: just speaks to the fact that like for me anyway,
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Speaker 1: and for all of us, but but for me, what
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Speaker 1: I learned was, well, my cognitive capacity is better when
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Speaker 1: I eat this way. I don't know why, but it is.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to do that. Maybe it's a fluke.
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Speaker 1: So the next day I did it, and the next
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Speaker 1: day and then after a week, and that was my
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Speaker 1: original plan was one week. Then I went, fuck it,
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Speaker 1: I'll do two weeks, right, and then another thing. Just
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Speaker 1: while we're talking about this, and we're getting off track,
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Speaker 1: but you fucking love it. I love it about uh.
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Speaker 1: I think it was about October. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you've heard this story. My phone. You know how your
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Speaker 1: phone Sorry to my listeners who've heard this, but you
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Speaker 1: know how your phone tracks your steps?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Right, So my phone basically said to me, one day,
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Speaker 1: you're a fat fuck, get up and start moving, right.
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Speaker 1: It told me my steps were low, and it said
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Speaker 1: your steps this year compared to last year, and it's
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Speaker 1: I don't you know. I would go for a walk
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Speaker 1: most days, but some days I wouldn't, but I would
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Speaker 1: think there's enough incidental movement and activity and walking anyway,
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Speaker 1: it said, for the last three months, you've averaged four
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Speaker 1: and a half thousand steps or maybe it was six months,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking hell, like my mum walks more
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Speaker 1: than that, and I'm like, I'm a disgrace. So I
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Speaker 1: that the next day I went, and then I went
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Speaker 1: that day all right, Well, from now, not soon, not
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Speaker 1: one day, not Monday, not January one, but from now
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Speaker 1: my rock bottom is ten thousand a day. And that
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Speaker 1: was about five months ago, I think. And so every
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Speaker 1: day I've done, the worst I've done is ten thousand,
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Speaker 1: you know, ten thousand, five hundred. But most days I'm
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Speaker 1: somewhere between thirteen and fifteen, and I'm on a crazy day,
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Speaker 1: I'm up around twenty or a little bit over. But
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Speaker 1: every day, give'll take I'm walking ten kilometers. But my
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Speaker 1: long winded point is for me, that like that helps
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Speaker 1: me stay lean, it makes my brain work better, it's
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Speaker 1: better for my posture, it's better for my back, like
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Speaker 1: I was starting to get a little chifotic because I'm
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Speaker 1: fucking sitting all day. My shoulders are like, there's so
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Speaker 1: many benefits. But if I didn't try these things and
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Speaker 1: then persevere, I wouldn't figure out what's optimal for me.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that we just don't do
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Speaker 1: enough of We try something for two days and say
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Speaker 1: it didn't work.
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Speaker 2: All I'm cheering in. I've my flag waving for you
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Speaker 2: as well too. You know, the beauty about what you've
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Speaker 2: done is is that you've done the one thing that
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Speaker 2: a lot of people struggle to do, and that's been
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Speaker 2: consistent and have a base to work from. So this
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Speaker 2: is how I'm feeling, This is what I look like.
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Speaker 2: This is let's say what my blood works are telling me.
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Speaker 2: I'm now going to create change and be consistent with
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Speaker 2: that change and let it go like you've been doing
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Speaker 2: there for five months. What's the outcome? What's the outcome?
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Speaker 2: And being consistent every day to get the twelve fifteen
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Speaker 2: thousand steps whatever you're doing today, How am I actually
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Speaker 2: feeling what's happening with my body? Is this beneficial or
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Speaker 2: is it detrimental? And you found that it's beneficial for you?
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Speaker 2: You find it so if it's working, you know you're
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Speaker 2: on a right track. You're changing nutrition. You've gone against
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Speaker 2: let's say, the theoretical guidelines of what we should be doing.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, you find that it works for you. It
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Speaker 2: works for you, So I would be stupid to say no, sorry, Craig,
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Speaker 2: you shouldn't do that. You should have five meals a day,
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Speaker 2: and you know you should wash your hands before you're
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Speaker 2: eating all this crazy stuff. I'd go, no, all right,
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Speaker 2: you're having the two meals. Let's analyze that. Let's see
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Speaker 2: what are you eating in those two meals? How does
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Speaker 2: that working for you? What's the outcome? Let's try and
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Speaker 2: understand how that's working for your physiologically, so then I
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Speaker 2: can learn so either fine tune what you're doing, or go, hey,
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Speaker 2: it gets the peri of an archistic of approval, please
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Speaker 2: move forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. And it's funny because there
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Speaker 1: are some people who even I guess if I had
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Speaker 1: an area of expertise, I never call myself an expert
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Speaker 1: with anything, but if I did have an area, it'd
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Speaker 1: be exercise programming. And you know, when I talk to
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Speaker 1: people sometimes, you know, I go, wow, you look fucking amazing.
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Speaker 1: What are you doing? And then they tell me and
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Speaker 1: they're doing something I would never prescribe. I'm like, and
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Speaker 1: I want to say, don't do that, but I look
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Speaker 1: at them and I go, ah, well, what do I know?
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Speaker 1: You should definitely do that because whatever you're doing, despite
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Speaker 1: the fact that I wouldn't have recommended it. What the
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Speaker 1: fuck do I know it's working? You know, I think
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Speaker 1: this is one of the challenges. I reckon, we're digressing.
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Speaker 1: We'll come to the next question in a moment, which
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Speaker 1: is from Karen. But I think one of the challenges
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Speaker 1: is pezzant. And I'm just fucking riffing here. But like
17:35
Speaker 1: people who are in the science space or the fitness space,
17:38
Speaker 1: or the medical space or the research space or the
17:41
Speaker 1: you know, we get our identity can kind of get
17:46
Speaker 1: intertwined with what we think is right, you know, our beliefs,
17:52
Speaker 1: and then our ego, our insecurity, you know, like ansel Keys,
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Speaker 1: you know, the fuckings twenty one country study which was
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Speaker 1: the start the genesis of the food pyramid and all
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Speaker 1: of that. And you know, we've spoken about this many
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Speaker 1: times or a version of this many times, where someone goes, oh,
18:10
Speaker 1: this is the only way to eat or lift or
18:11
Speaker 1: train or run or recover or sleep or you know,
18:14
Speaker 1: and then people like, once you think you've got the
18:18
Speaker 1: right program or the best protocol, then anyone who doesn't
18:22
Speaker 1: agree with you is pretty much the enemy. Well, this
18:25
Speaker 1: is a dangerous space, right and this is a dangerous
18:28
Speaker 1: psychological stance because if I'm well, I try to be
18:33
Speaker 1: as honest as I can be, and in this conversation,
18:36
Speaker 1: in this moment, as honest as I can be. Is
18:39
Speaker 1: I've got at least fifty percent of the things wrong
18:43
Speaker 1: over the years, or I don't know what percent, But
18:46
Speaker 1: like even the things that I knew in inverted commas
18:49
Speaker 1: that I was right about nudge nudge, wink wink, so
18:53
Speaker 1: often I was a bit wrong, more wrong, or sometimes
18:57
Speaker 1: completely fucking wrong. And so you've got to get to
19:00
Speaker 1: the point, I think, to be honest and real and authentic,
19:03
Speaker 1: even in science, where you go this is what I
19:07
Speaker 1: was taught and told and trained to believe, and this
19:11
Speaker 1: is my current thinking, this is my current idea, this
19:15
Speaker 1: is my current philosophy or belief. But I could be wrong,
19:19
Speaker 1: because I've been wrong a bunch, you know, Because if
19:22
Speaker 1: you think that you whatever the topic is, if you
19:25
Speaker 1: think you've got all the knowledge and you're right, then
19:29
Speaker 1: you make it impossible to unlearn or to learn new things.
19:33
Speaker 2: And we've used that same before so many times. And
19:36
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things I learned going to Union
19:38
Speaker 2: was to unlearn what I knew, just wipe it just
19:40
Speaker 2: go nut, all right, and then use an analytical mind
19:44
Speaker 2: to go you know, all right, this is what I'm
19:45
Speaker 2: being taught. But I've done my own research and this
19:48
Speaker 2: is what I found. And I've tried this with people.
19:50
Speaker 2: An example that what we're just talking about protein content,
19:52
Speaker 2: how much proving should beating, which can go against let's say,
19:55
Speaker 2: some of these great minds in society, and you just go, well,
20:00
Speaker 2: understand that. But this is my analysis, this is my
20:02
Speaker 2: interpretation of the results and the science, and this is
20:05
Speaker 2: my opinion on this. Let's try it out, let's see
20:08
Speaker 2: if it works. And I don't know all the answers.
20:10
Speaker 2: I know that, and you know, the more you learn,
20:12
Speaker 2: the more you realize you need to learn, and the
20:14
Speaker 2: more you learn, the more you unlearned. So you can
20:16
Speaker 2: be better at what you do and have an open
20:18
Speaker 2: mind to be objective and go, here are the facts
20:21
Speaker 2: in front of me. This is what's going on. This
20:23
Speaker 2: person's had two meals a day and he feels amazing, fantastic.
20:28
Speaker 2: Accept it, don't fight it. Don't they go, oh, you're wrong.
20:32
Speaker 2: Listen mate, You're going to lose your hair. You're going
20:34
Speaker 2: to be as bald as me. If you don't have
20:36
Speaker 2: more than two meals a day, so you know it's yeah,
20:39
Speaker 2: it's been analytical and being open minded and being objective
20:43
Speaker 2: to the situation rather than learning emotion to get the
20:46
Speaker 2: way or ego. That's what I find has been a
20:48
Speaker 2: big thing with a lot of people that I've dealt
20:50
Speaker 2: with over the years, especially so let's say high end,
20:53
Speaker 2: let's say call them the doctors or whatever they want
20:55
Speaker 2: to call themselves, where you can test their views and say, hey,
20:58
Speaker 2: by the way, what if and they just shut you down.
21:01
Speaker 2: And so I'm trying to talk to you about I'm
21:02
Speaker 2: trying to have an open conversation, so I can't understand
21:04
Speaker 2: your thought process, but at the same time you understand
21:08
Speaker 2: mine and go maybe maybe it might be technically correct.
21:12
Speaker 1: I know exactly who you're talking about. I'm not going
21:15
Speaker 1: to say his name, but I know exactly who you're
21:17
Speaker 1: talking about because we've spoken about him, and fucking yeah,
21:25
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I wouldn't say his name and
21:27
Speaker 1: then fuck him, but you and me, no, yeah, But
21:30
Speaker 1: also you know, God bless him. I think the like
21:36
Speaker 1: the thing is that also, and we'll move on in
21:39
Speaker 1: a sect. But you know, when people go are that science.
21:43
Speaker 1: Well that even when me, who is a scientist and
21:47
Speaker 1: he's researching right now. And by the way, I'm not
21:50
Speaker 1: a very good scientist, everybody. It's just the fucking name
21:53
Speaker 1: they give you when you do a PhD. You're a
21:55
Speaker 1: research scientist, right, so that's the name you get. But
22:00
Speaker 1: the other day I saw a dude on speaking of
22:02
Speaker 1: people on Instagram. I saw a dude on Instagram and
22:05
Speaker 1: he was talking about It doesn't matter what he was
22:08
Speaker 1: talking about, but all this study that shows that this
22:12
Speaker 1: I think it was actually about nicotine. Anyway, it doesn't matter,
22:15
Speaker 1: but he was like espousing the virtues of this and
22:17
Speaker 1: that and blah blah. Might have been something else.
22:19
Speaker 2: I'm the one you're talking about.
22:21
Speaker 1: Exactly anyway, maybe, but anyway, I'm like, really, that doesn't.
22:26
Speaker 1: I'm like, that doesn't. Anyway, I went, I've got to
22:30
Speaker 1: find the research because what's coming out of his mouth doesn't.
22:33
Speaker 1: And I went and looked at it, and then I
22:34
Speaker 1: looked at the study. Well, the study was done in
22:38
Speaker 1: like it was like the equivalent of me doing the
22:40
Speaker 1: study in my fucking billiard room with five of my
22:43
Speaker 1: mates who were pissed. Right, It's like there were fourteen
22:47
Speaker 1: people in the trial, right, seven using whatever and seven
22:52
Speaker 1: plus I don't know, but the actual study design, right,
22:58
Speaker 1: So when in my research, right, anything that doesn't have
23:02
Speaker 1: at least one hundred participants is not respected, right in
23:08
Speaker 1: a lot of research anyway, So it had fourteen and
23:12
Speaker 1: seven of them were you you know? And then anyway,
23:14
Speaker 1: the bottom line is once I actually opened the door
23:16
Speaker 1: and I read the paper, and I'm like, well, this
23:19
Speaker 1: is this is the worst fucking science of all time.
23:22
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't I would not give this, you know,
23:25
Speaker 1: But if it happened to be great science, I'd go,
23:27
Speaker 1: all right, well I just learned something new. But I
23:30
Speaker 1: think this is the thing we need to be. You know.
23:32
Speaker 1: Just because someone says this is science, one, that doesn't
23:36
Speaker 1: mean it is science free start. And two, it doesn't
23:39
Speaker 1: mean that it's good science. And three it doesn't mean
23:42
Speaker 1: that there's not other science in inverted commas, which says
23:46
Speaker 1: that that's bullshit. I remember, I'm going to shut up
23:49
Speaker 1: after this, But when we were up on the highway
23:52
Speaker 1: at Harper's where you were fucking running the show, and
23:54
Speaker 1: I was just in the corner office like a did
23:57
Speaker 1: right when you were fucking captain of the kids. I
24:00
Speaker 1: have these two books in my office. One was called
24:04
Speaker 1: Protein Power and another one I can't remember the name,
24:10
Speaker 1: but they both basically taught the opposite thing, and they
24:16
Speaker 1: were all researched and referenced with science. I'm like, yeah, anyway,
24:21
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to ask you a question. This
24:23
Speaker 1: is from Karen Ah Karen Karen Judge. Karen's question is
24:28
Speaker 1: why do experts Now, Karen, I don't think all experts do,
24:31
Speaker 1: but I agree with you that. And also I don't
24:34
Speaker 1: know that the people that you're talking about are experts,
24:37
Speaker 1: but they might call themselves experts. Anyway, The question is
24:40
Speaker 1: why do experts recommend highly processed snacks for young athletes?
24:46
Speaker 1: And I think you're right. I think some experts in
24:48
Speaker 1: inverted commas do do that. But I also put an
24:51
Speaker 1: asterisk next to that term pezzat. Oh hey, sorry, just
24:57
Speaker 1: there's a bit more. Why is it that young ath
25:00
Speaker 1: so it's fifteen years old plus or often encourage it
25:02
Speaker 1: highly processed foods like Carmens, Musley bars, protein bars, up
25:07
Speaker 1: and go, up and go. Fuck? Have you ever looked
25:09
Speaker 1: what's in that? Sugary snacks like snakes lollies before comp
25:15
Speaker 1: especially when they're packed with artificial ingredients added is blah
25:17
Speaker 1: blah blah. After all, many of these foods aren't considered
25:21
Speaker 1: real or whole foods, So why are they recommended? Ready set, Perry,
25:25
Speaker 1: get up on your high horse.
25:27
Speaker 2: Oh the love this one I've had? Yeah, the lovely classy,
25:31
Speaker 2: let's say, interesting and linnet discussion with so many sports
25:34
Speaker 2: dieticians because that's what usually comes from and as simple
25:37
Speaker 2: as this. They look at the science and go, we
25:40
Speaker 2: need to get a large amount of carbohydrates in really
25:42
Speaker 2: quick into this human body. Right, they're going to be sprinking,
25:45
Speaker 2: they're running whatever, and they go, right, the big long
25:48
Speaker 2: snake that's got fourteen different colors, is loaded now with
25:51
Speaker 2: ninety grams of carbohydrates. Gender danger's throat and go out
25:55
Speaker 2: there and run, little boy or little girl. And that's
25:58
Speaker 2: where this comes from. And you know, it just depends
26:01
Speaker 2: on which nutrition is sports diet tisian or diet tissian
26:04
Speaker 2: that you talk to, whether they will recommend that I
26:07
Speaker 2: go totally against that sort of stuff and look at
26:09
Speaker 2: different types of food to increase one carbohydrate content in
26:12
Speaker 2: the body, because carbohydrates are your main fuel source. That's
26:16
Speaker 2: what you need for readily expendable energy, energy, nothing else.
26:20
Speaker 2: So therefore, if I want to increase someone's carbohydrate content
26:23
Speaker 2: so they can get out there and do stuff, I
26:25
Speaker 2: would look at stuff like sweet potato, white potato. I
26:28
Speaker 2: would look at dosmai rice where for every one hundred
26:30
Speaker 2: grams there's seventy grams of carbohydrates. So they can have
26:34
Speaker 2: a beautiful carbo hydrate meal, have it warm so they
26:36
Speaker 2: can absorb into the body more effectively, so to get
26:38
Speaker 2: their carbs up rather than going to someone go and
26:41
Speaker 2: have two up and go run and then up and
26:43
Speaker 2: go to the toilet as well, because that's what's going
26:45
Speaker 2: to do to you. So why Unfortunately some of the
26:49
Speaker 2: experts look at it from one technical point and say,
26:52
Speaker 2: we need to get carbohydrates in. Let's look at the
26:55
Speaker 2: macro nutrient value of this food group. And I'd use
26:58
Speaker 2: the word food group very loosely because it's in a
27:01
Speaker 2: packet and it's processed, and it wasn't near two hundred
27:03
Speaker 2: years ago. But they go, this bar whatever it might be,
27:06
Speaker 2: might have fifty or sixty grams of carbohydrates. For the
27:10
Speaker 2: energy expenditure that's required for this activity might require that
27:13
Speaker 2: fifty or sixty grams of carbohydrates. This go do your
27:17
Speaker 2: activity bomb WARMU box is ticked.
27:20
Speaker 1: So we're looking there really at almost like a mathematical thing. Oh,
27:24
Speaker 1: they need sixty grams of this, so this has got
27:26
Speaker 1: sixty grams of that, But we're not factoring in the
27:29
Speaker 1: quality of the nutrition at all.
27:32
Speaker 2: Un percent correct?
27:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so all right though here Devil's advocate. So
27:40
Speaker 1: I've just run ten k's as fucking if can't you
27:47
Speaker 1: do that every morning?
27:48
Speaker 2: Don't I?
27:49
Speaker 1: So if I'm lying, we may as well lie good.
27:51
Speaker 1: All right, I've just run twenty k's in I've just
27:56
Speaker 1: run twenty k's in eighty minutes, so four minute k's
27:58
Speaker 1: averaging fifteen klim It is an now, because I'm a
28:01
Speaker 1: fucking weapon and I get home. I get home and
28:05
Speaker 1: I don't feel like a meal, but I know I've
28:08
Speaker 1: got to get So am I better off to go
28:12
Speaker 1: rather than having cooked food which I don't feel like
28:14
Speaker 1: in the moment? Am I better off to go the
28:16
Speaker 1: pre mentioned banana or some fruit or something that's got
28:21
Speaker 1: both nutrition but also the carbs and sugar I need,
28:25
Speaker 1: or no hundred.
28:27
Speaker 2: Percent someone you'd look at, you'd look at let's say,
28:28
Speaker 2: what your energy requirements are for that race, what have
28:31
Speaker 2: you eaten before the race? And then what are you
28:33
Speaker 2: requiring the next four hours. Here's the interesting point. The
28:36
Speaker 2: next four hours to help your body replenish the carbohydrate
28:39
Speaker 2: sauce so that you're not sore, that you're muscle recovering.
28:42
Speaker 2: You feel better the next forty eight hours. So when
28:45
Speaker 2: we look at that, I would say to someone, you know,
28:47
Speaker 2: do you like pineapple? Have some pineapple? Do you like bananas?
28:50
Speaker 2: Have some bananas using in the shape. If you really
28:53
Speaker 2: want to crank it up, I'd put let's say a
28:55
Speaker 2: banana in there with some protein powder and even add
28:57
Speaker 2: some glucose powder in there to put it than to
29:00
Speaker 2: increase your carbohydrate intact, to make it as a drink
29:03
Speaker 2: so it gets in quite easily into your body and
29:05
Speaker 2: replenge you yourself. And this worry about an insulance spike
29:10
Speaker 2: and it's going to give you diabetes and all that. Yeah,
29:13
Speaker 2: that's your body's normal response. You will always have an
29:16
Speaker 2: insulince spike when you eat carbohydrates. It's normal. So while
29:19
Speaker 2: we worried about insulance spikes.
29:22
Speaker 1: Love it all, right, let's move on. I'm interested in
29:26
Speaker 1: this because I shove oats in my face. I've heard
29:30
Speaker 1: hang on before I ask you a specific question, I
29:33
Speaker 1: want to ask you a general question about oats. What
29:37
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about oats?
29:39
Speaker 2: I love them, absolutely love them, as long as they
29:42
Speaker 2: are a high quality oat. Right, So it comes from
29:46
Speaker 2: with say an organic farm whatever, or if you want
29:48
Speaker 2: to take it up because there's different processes involved. Have
29:51
Speaker 2: steel cutoats, which means the processing is less, there's not
29:55
Speaker 2: as process much. You've just been You've got the oats,
29:57
Speaker 2: they've been hold then they get milled down by still
30:00
Speaker 2: cut process and the origin. The only problem is with
30:04
Speaker 2: steel cutoats you need to prep them overnight, so you know,
30:06
Speaker 2: you put all your milk in there or your water,
30:08
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. Let them soak overnight to
30:10
Speaker 2: the next day and you can eat them the next day.
30:12
Speaker 1: That's the sorry mate, Sorry what I mean. I've never
30:17
Speaker 1: heard that term until right now. Like I have rolled oats,
30:21
Speaker 1: which is just like the big I mean, it's like
30:24
Speaker 1: if you look at the size of your fingernail, depends
30:26
Speaker 1: they're like, my oats are about that big, which I
30:30
Speaker 1: don't know. That's a fucking stupid thing to say. I'm
30:33
Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to. Hey, everyone, look at your
30:36
Speaker 1: little fingernail. Of course, every fingernails are exactly the same size.
30:40
Speaker 1: I'm not a dickhead at all. So what are steel
30:44
Speaker 1: cut oats? Like? What do they? Where do I get them?
30:47
Speaker 2: So?
30:47
Speaker 1: Are you saying no to the rolled oats? No?
30:49
Speaker 2: No, no, you can have roll those. So they've got
30:51
Speaker 2: three different processes, right, We've got the lowest process one
30:56
Speaker 2: other steel cutoats. It means you've got your men hole.
30:59
Speaker 2: They run through this your meals. I just mentioned like
31:01
Speaker 2: they're still precedent passion.
31:03
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, and.
31:03
Speaker 2: That breaks them down your role thoughts. They exactly that
31:07
Speaker 2: process of the oats that have been rolled to get
31:09
Speaker 2: the kernels out, and they've been flattened out and then
31:13
Speaker 2: rolled thoats that have just been broken down even finer,
31:15
Speaker 2: so they can be absorbed easily, but they can be
31:17
Speaker 2: cooked faster as well. So then you're like, what do
31:20
Speaker 2: I call them two minute oats or whatever?
31:21
Speaker 1: It is? So okay, So can I tell you my breakfast?
31:25
Speaker 1: And I want you to give me an honest rating
31:27
Speaker 1: out of ten?
31:28
Speaker 2: Okay, like like how honest, honest.
31:30
Speaker 1: Honest if you think it's shit I want you to
31:33
Speaker 1: tell me it's shit.
31:34
Speaker 2: Not going to kick me off the podcast. Eh, yeah,
31:36
Speaker 2: I'll fuck you off.
31:37
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. No, no, no, I want you
31:40
Speaker 1: to tell me what I'm probably not going to change
31:43
Speaker 1: because it seems to work for me. But this is
31:45
Speaker 1: what I have exactly. And again, apologies, but we're always
31:50
Speaker 1: got you know, some people have heard this, most haven't.
31:53
Speaker 1: We've always got NW listers on. So this is my breakfast.
31:58
Speaker 1: Eighty grams of rolled oats.
32:00
Speaker 2: Well to craik, let me just jump in. Is that
32:02
Speaker 2: pre cooked?
32:02
Speaker 1: Way? This is pre cooked? This is all like you're
32:08
Speaker 1: going to laugh at what I do, right, You're gonna laugh.
32:11
Speaker 1: This is very probably I'm probably fucking throwing myself under
32:15
Speaker 1: the bus and losing what little credibility I had with
32:18
Speaker 1: my listeners. So I have so you know, the what
32:24
Speaker 1: are the not the barmis what do you call it?
32:27
Speaker 1: The fucking m thing? You put it in neutrable neutrableet. Yeah,
32:31
Speaker 1: so this is what I do. I have my Neutrabullet
32:33
Speaker 1: I put it on my scales. Hang on, gets better.
32:36
Speaker 1: I put in eighty grams of rolldots. I put in
32:40
Speaker 1: forty grams of almonds. I put in forty grams of
32:46
Speaker 1: protein powder chocolate protein powder.
32:48
Speaker 2: Is there any way prone and isolate or concentrate.
32:54
Speaker 1: Ford? I know, I should know. Are you going to
33:00
Speaker 1: tell me concentrates better?
33:01
Speaker 2: Well, isolates better?
33:04
Speaker 1: I actually do think it's isolate. I think it's Max's.
33:07
Speaker 1: I'll give a shout out to Maxes. Again. There's lots
33:09
Speaker 1: of good protein powders everyone. I happen to use that.
33:13
Speaker 1: So forty grams of protein, forty grams of almonds, eighty
33:17
Speaker 1: grams of boats, so that's one hundred and sixty grams.
33:22
Speaker 1: Then I sh that shit up so it becomes basically powder, right,
33:28
Speaker 1: and then I put two dessert spoons of sillium husk
33:33
Speaker 1: on that, and I put all that shit in a bowl.
33:37
Speaker 1: And then this is probably where you're going to kick
33:39
Speaker 1: me in the dick and punch me in the face.
33:42
Speaker 1: I know that it's shit, but I use like fucking
33:45
Speaker 1: oat milk core, almond milk core, just because me and
33:48
Speaker 1: lactose aren't awesome. I could probably just have it with water.
33:53
Speaker 1: That's it. That's my breakfast. And to me, it's like
33:56
Speaker 1: a fucking yummy like chocolate moose. I mean, I know
34:00
Speaker 1: it's not, but it's and I eat the same thing
34:02
Speaker 1: every day.
34:03
Speaker 2: I'm going to suggest one change or not one change,
34:06
Speaker 2: one addition would be a better thing. As you're smiling
34:09
Speaker 2: and now your body language is changing, you're ready to
34:11
Speaker 2: be very I can see very defensive right now, actually
34:16
Speaker 2: getting cross eyed. And I've seen that look before. I
34:19
Speaker 2: remember that look at the Harpodrome, right when I dropped
34:21
Speaker 2: the waves off the leaf press. I still have not
34:23
Speaker 2: forgotten that day. I'm going to suggest that you add
34:28
Speaker 2: one small teaspoon of extra vergin olive oil to that,
34:31
Speaker 2: just get some good fats in there. You've got good
34:35
Speaker 2: fats from an almond. But I don't have to drive
34:38
Speaker 2: race or not. But olive oil is a Mega nine.
34:41
Speaker 2: Basically that's the most important companion of the olive oil.
34:45
Speaker 2: And Omega nine has so many benefits for the rest
34:48
Speaker 2: of your day to help you out. So you've got
34:51
Speaker 2: you've got your plato and in from your way, You've
34:52
Speaker 2: got your carbohydrates in from your oats. You've got good
34:55
Speaker 2: amount of carbohydrates. You've got a lot of fiber in
34:57
Speaker 2: that meal. You're getting calcium from your oat milk or
35:01
Speaker 2: whatever milk. You're having them.
35:02
Speaker 1: Is it the either almond milk or oat milk?
35:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like what concerns memen. I've seen
35:08
Speaker 2: people milk and almond cow. That sort of scares me
35:10
Speaker 2: a little bit. But you're getting you're getting your calcium
35:13
Speaker 2: from there, which is fine. So it's a good start today.
35:16
Speaker 2: It's not too bad.
35:17
Speaker 1: Now. How much olive oil should I put in?
35:20
Speaker 2: That's a small tea spent five milk. I really even
35:23
Speaker 2: taste it. You will not even taste it yet. The
35:25
Speaker 2: benefits of that physiologically off the clock. Mate.
35:30
Speaker 1: Okay, oh fuck, I'm being very self indulgent now, all right, now,
35:35
Speaker 1: if I do all of that with my and yes
35:38
Speaker 1: I'm an only child, and yes I need approval, If
35:41
Speaker 1: I do all of that with olive oil, what score
35:46
Speaker 1: do you give me out of ten?
35:47
Speaker 2: If I give you a score out of ten as
35:49
Speaker 2: an only child that needs to.
35:51
Speaker 1: Get the miss no, no, no, no, I don't want that.
35:53
Speaker 1: I want the child is law. Mate.
35:55
Speaker 2: You're not the only one here that's an only child.
35:56
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm bouncing it back. I will give
35:59
Speaker 2: you an eight out of ten for that.
36:01
Speaker 1: Okay, good right, that'll do. Fuck, I'm all right with
36:04
Speaker 1: that because.
36:05
Speaker 2: I would flip the milk over and have real milk,
36:07
Speaker 2: but have lectose free milk. And then I would add
36:10
Speaker 2: a teaspoon of fish oil as well, so you get
36:13
Speaker 2: your omiga threes in there.
36:14
Speaker 1: So you're fucking disgusting. I'm not having a fish stick
36:18
Speaker 1: your fish ail up your clacker. And now before we
36:23
Speaker 1: move on to the next one, I just want to say,
36:25
Speaker 1: Lily Waterhouse, that all that stuff about oats, Lily, that
36:31
Speaker 1: was that was kind of for you and a little
36:34
Speaker 1: bit for me. Thank you for that. All right, Um,
36:40
Speaker 1: so this is from Andrea. Andrea says, I'm fifty five.
36:46
Speaker 1: I'm a lifetime yo yo dieter. That's a pretty big
36:49
Speaker 1: club that you're in, Andrea. I was in that for
36:52
Speaker 1: quite a while myself. I was the president of that
36:54
Speaker 1: club for a while. Spasmodic exercise it if I was
36:59
Speaker 1: wanting to begin to change my habits for health rather
37:02
Speaker 1: than to lose weight, what would be the one or
37:05
Speaker 1: two most important things? Oh wow, to begin with, I
37:09
Speaker 1: don't even know if I should have read that before,
37:12
Speaker 1: but Andrew, I did read it. I did read it, Andrew,
37:15
Speaker 1: and we're recording, so I can't unread it. But and
37:19
Speaker 1: the reason that I'm a little hesitant is because that's
37:21
Speaker 1: like saying, how long is a bit of string? But
37:24
Speaker 1: so I'm going to talk in broad generic terms and
37:26
Speaker 1: then Pezzy, you think about what you want to say
37:28
Speaker 1: while I'm waffling. So in broad terms, what matters most
37:36
Speaker 1: is that you find something this is what I think
37:39
Speaker 1: that's somewhere between pretty effective and perfect. Right. Obviously, if
37:45
Speaker 1: we're doing the wrong thing consistently, well that's not good.
37:49
Speaker 1: But as long as we're doing something that's you know,
37:52
Speaker 1: for the most part appropriate for you in terms of
37:56
Speaker 1: you know, your food or your sleep, or your whatever
37:58
Speaker 1: lifestyle variable or exercise, but also you are consistent with it.
38:03
Speaker 1: So if somebody said to me, I want to gain
38:08
Speaker 1: you know, heaps of muscle and I'm doing pilarates to
38:11
Speaker 1: achieve that, I would say Plartes is great, but that's
38:14
Speaker 1: not probably the ideal choice to build heaps of muscle.
38:18
Speaker 1: But I'd rather you do pilarates four days a week
38:21
Speaker 1: than body building for two weeks and then give up
38:23
Speaker 1: for two years. Right, So you know, because pilarates are
38:27
Speaker 1: still bidding strength and function and muscle right and bone
38:30
Speaker 1: density and all of those things. So the key is
38:33
Speaker 1: that we find something that is somewhere between pretty effective
38:37
Speaker 1: and really effective, and then that we are consistent with that.
38:42
Speaker 1: And I guess one of the ideas around that is,
38:46
Speaker 1: you know, like when I talk to people, in an
38:48
Speaker 1: ideal world, we'd all eat perfectly all the time. Well,
38:51
Speaker 1: none of us are perfect. None of us eat perfectly
38:53
Speaker 1: well very few people all the time. And I'm sure
38:59
Speaker 1: Perrier can't speak on your behalf correct me when I'm finished.
39:01
Speaker 1: But most of the time, when you are talking to people,
39:04
Speaker 1: or I'm talking to people, most of us we're probably
39:07
Speaker 1: saying something like eat well, train well most of the time,
39:12
Speaker 1: you know. And that's a kind of a practical approach.
39:19
Speaker 1: And at fifty five, Andrea, as we've said already multiple times,
39:24
Speaker 1: you know, fitness is not a thing. Fitness is a
39:28
Speaker 1: myriad of things. And under the banner of fitness is
39:32
Speaker 1: strength and flexibility and range of movement and balance and
39:35
Speaker 1: spatial awareness and muscular endurance and aerobic endurance and a
39:39
Speaker 1: whole bunch of things that really matter as we get older.
39:43
Speaker 1: As we get older, of course, strength aerobic fitnesses are important,
39:48
Speaker 1: as is balance, as is coordination. So there are a
39:53
Speaker 1: bunch of things that we can train as we get older,
39:58
Speaker 1: and even things like, you know, when you're doing the dishes,
40:01
Speaker 1: when you're drying the dishes or washing the dishes or whatever,
40:04
Speaker 1: waiting for a fucking bus, stand on one foot and
40:07
Speaker 1: then stand on the other foot. Just do things that
40:10
Speaker 1: you don't need to do, so you're now doing something
40:13
Speaker 1: that is reminiscent of maybe what you did when you
40:16
Speaker 1: were younger. One of my favorite sayings by George Bernard
40:19
Speaker 1: Shaw is, ah, we don't We don't stop playing because
40:25
Speaker 1: we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing.
40:29
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, it's funny that I'm
40:32
Speaker 1: talking about this. I'll shut up after this, But I live.
40:35
Speaker 1: I walk all the time, as we've said before, and
40:37
Speaker 1: about four hundred meters from my house is a park
40:40
Speaker 1: with a basketball backboard and a basketball ring. And I
40:44
Speaker 1: made a little note to myself this morning as I
40:47
Speaker 1: walked past. I'm going to buy myself a basketball this week.
40:51
Speaker 1: Not because I want to become a basketballer, but I
40:53
Speaker 1: used to play basketball a lot. I used to shoot
40:55
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm thinking how good would it be
40:58
Speaker 1: for my nervous system and my balance and my coordination
41:01
Speaker 1: and my dexterity, and for my fitness and for my brain,
41:04
Speaker 1: and for a bit of fucking fun to go out
41:07
Speaker 1: and shoot some hoops at sixty one. I don't need
41:10
Speaker 1: to be good at it. I don't give a fuck
41:12
Speaker 1: what anyone thinks. I don't give a fuck if I'm
41:14
Speaker 1: sixty one. But I can tell you what me doing
41:17
Speaker 1: something like that and reacting to the ball bouncing off
41:21
Speaker 1: the board at different angles, it's a really good thing
41:24
Speaker 1: to do. So I think a thing that we can
41:26
Speaker 1: all do, which is smart and also valuable is keep
41:30
Speaker 1: playing as we get older.
41:33
Speaker 2: Raga one hundred percent. And that's why I've gone back
41:35
Speaker 2: to doing my martial arts. I'm now doing hauptito and
41:38
Speaker 2: getting tried around and bashed and kicked in the head
41:40
Speaker 2: and gone, this is fun. I love it. So it's
41:45
Speaker 2: actually it's actually quite psychologically beneficial for me to actually
41:49
Speaker 2: switch off from the world, going there learning new skill,
41:52
Speaker 2: apply the skills that I used to know, and get
41:54
Speaker 2: my body flexible again, get it moving, get it reactive,
41:57
Speaker 2: get it doing what it needs to do, and then
41:59
Speaker 2: obviously fuel us off more effectively.
42:01
Speaker 1: So what is it? Sorry? What is hap keto?
42:04
Speaker 2: Pop Keto is a spin off of taekwondos, so Taypewondo
42:08
Speaker 2: is all about using legs. Hap keto is using legs,
42:11
Speaker 2: but it's all a very defensive sport, so it's risk locks, throws, takedowns,
42:16
Speaker 2: you know, choke out, spoking the eye, stuff like that.
42:18
Speaker 2: So a lot of fun. Yeah, it's quite interesting, different
42:22
Speaker 2: style of fighting, and my instructor is a little Filipino
42:26
Speaker 2: crazy guy, so we get along quite well, and I
42:29
Speaker 2: absolutely love it. It's been Yeah, I've been doing it
42:31
Speaker 2: now for the last four months and we're already graded
42:33
Speaker 2: twice and getting forward now to move forward onto my
42:35
Speaker 2: blue belt, because I've already got a skill set beforehand,
42:38
Speaker 2: so he admires that. And as long as I can
42:40
Speaker 2: do the throws and do the stuff he's taught me,
42:42
Speaker 2: then and I keep moving forward, which is great, amazing
42:46
Speaker 2: in regards to our lovely fifty five year old that's
42:49
Speaker 2: going through stuff, you know, asking about what's the best
42:51
Speaker 2: thing for your health? Well, you know, what is the
42:54
Speaker 2: best thing. It's very difficult to answer that, Like you said,
42:56
Speaker 2: how long is a piece of string? But what I
42:57
Speaker 2: would suggest, and it's been realistic in life, is using
43:01
Speaker 2: the eighty twenty rule. When it comes to nutrition and
43:04
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time eat whole foods, simple as that.
43:07
Speaker 2: And then get someone to educate you and just sit
43:10
Speaker 2: down and have a bit of a chat with you
43:11
Speaker 2: to work out what your nutritional requirements are, what your
43:14
Speaker 2: cars fat and prodine requirements are, at your age, with
43:17
Speaker 2: your activity level. That's going to be designed to produce
43:21
Speaker 2: optimal health and well being that suits you as an
43:24
Speaker 2: individual as a person. And if you file the guidelines
43:27
Speaker 2: saying you know what you have to eat, and you've
43:28
Speaker 2: been educated, and if you file the eighty twenty ruling,
43:31
Speaker 2: you don't beat yourself up. If you have a pizza
43:33
Speaker 2: and a beer, for example, you'll live a happy and
43:36
Speaker 2: long life and you'll actually be able to stick to
43:38
Speaker 2: the eighty twenty rule and be successful. Because we find
43:41
Speaker 2: that we go to an extreme, let's say nutritional guidelines
43:44
Speaker 2: or diet or you know, a prodocol that you have
43:47
Speaker 2: to follow one hundred and ten percent, we usually find
43:50
Speaker 2: most of the time that everyone's just going to drop
43:52
Speaker 2: off the baandbag and then they beat themselves up and
43:54
Speaker 2: they go to the other extreme and just binge e crap.
43:57
Speaker 2: So we give some a little bit of flexibility and
44:00
Speaker 2: give them the guidance and the education more importantly, to
44:03
Speaker 2: understand why they're eating a banana, as we use the
44:06
Speaker 2: example before, and they understand the potassium, the fiber, the
44:09
Speaker 2: carbohydrate content, and therefore that's why they're eating the banana.
44:12
Speaker 2: Guess what they will want to eat a banana because
44:15
Speaker 2: they're know I'm just eating a bit of fruit. I'm
44:17
Speaker 2: eating something that's beneficial for my health and more being
44:20
Speaker 2: for the lifestyle that I've created now and the fact
44:22
Speaker 2: that I want to stay healthy and a fifty five
44:25
Speaker 2: lived to ninety five before we start to slow down.
44:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. A friend of mine, for probably
44:32
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, Monday to Friday he's like a
44:36
Speaker 1: fucking Olympic athlete like everything, trains, does martial arts like
44:41
Speaker 1: you you know, really good, naturally good athlete. And then
44:46
Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday is like a fucking pissed bloke at the pub.
44:52
Speaker 1: Now he's not really, but he basically Monday to Friday
44:56
Speaker 1: does not has no booze, know anything, eats really well,
45:00
Speaker 1: really well. And then on the weekend, I mean he
45:02
Speaker 1: doesn't go crazy, but he just doesn't abide by those rules.
45:06
Speaker 1: So if he has three beers and a pizza or
45:08
Speaker 1: five beers and a pizza. And and I actually saw
45:11
Speaker 1: him the other day, and I go, what happens on Sunday?
45:13
Speaker 1: Like you? He goes, you know, what if I cut
45:16
Speaker 1: loose on a Saturday? He goes, I actually hardly do
45:19
Speaker 1: anything on a Sunday because my body's so programmed to
45:22
Speaker 1: eating clean and that he can't go nuts for a
45:25
Speaker 1: whole weekend anyway. His body won't let him. So he goes,
45:29
Speaker 1: I might have one or maybe two meals, which you'd
45:34
Speaker 1: call in inverted commas bad. He goes, but you know,
45:39
Speaker 1: and he's I think he's a four meals a day guy.
45:42
Speaker 1: So what's that? Twenty meals through the week? And yeah,
45:45
Speaker 1: so what's that? Seven? Four is twenty eight meals a week,
45:48
Speaker 1: and of the twenty eight he might have two that
45:50
Speaker 1: are not great.
45:51
Speaker 2: But sorry, on I've got a friend of mine ing seckles,
45:54
Speaker 2: same situation. That's well, I'm smiling. He is actually rang
45:58
Speaker 2: me up and complaining. He goes, your new trition plan
46:00
Speaker 2: has screwed me over. I'm like, what do you mean?
46:03
Speaker 2: What's going on? I've lost weight, I've got more energy,
46:05
Speaker 2: I've put on muscle, and then I went out with
46:07
Speaker 2: my girlfriend. We went out to a restaurant and I
46:09
Speaker 2: ate the junk that I'd normally eat, and I got
46:12
Speaker 2: home and I was sick the next day and I
46:14
Speaker 2: was on the toilet that night. He goes, I hate you.
46:16
Speaker 2: I can't eat that food anymore. I'm like, I'm sorry,
46:19
Speaker 2: you get healthy now, I'm really really sorry.
46:22
Speaker 1: Hey, mate, you're agun. This has been fun. I did
46:24
Speaker 1: not expect that we would talk for so long, but
46:28
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. So how can people connect with you?
46:32
Speaker 1: Find you, follow you, and you know, pay you some
46:36
Speaker 1: dough to do what you do? Cool?
46:38
Speaker 2: If they want to have a catch up with me,
46:40
Speaker 2: they can go to my website, which is ninety nutrition
46:44
Speaker 2: ninety dot com dot au. If they want to send
46:46
Speaker 2: me an email and another one week in organize on
46:48
Speaker 2: one on one console, which I've been doing a lot
46:50
Speaker 2: of lately. It's info at M ninety dot com dot au.
46:55
Speaker 2: That's info at M ninety dot com dot au and
46:59
Speaker 2: more than Michael with forty eight hours, I'll always get
47:01
Speaker 2: back to you and organize the time slot so we
47:03
Speaker 2: can have a bit of a chat and the consult
47:05
Speaker 2: and decide which is the best direction for you to
47:07
Speaker 2: take for your health and will be perfect.
47:11
Speaker 1: Mate. I love you, appreciate you. We'll say goodbye affair,
47:15
Speaker 1: but I know you're going to do help some people.
47:18
Speaker 1: Now move some fucking sandbags or something.
47:20
Speaker 2: Thank you on the Queens. Then let's move some sandbags.
47:24
Speaker 1: That sounds like fun anyway. I'm glad that's you, not me.
47:28
Speaker 1: Let's talk soon. See you, buddy, Thank you very much.
47:31
Speaker 2: Love you. Go to crego catch a lot, abuty May