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Charlie Gasparino | Economic Journalist Says White House May Impose "Limited Safeguards" on A.I. · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: I got to talk to Charlie Gasparino. He's just really smart.
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  Speaker 1: And every time I put the TV on, it's about AI. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know a little bit about AI.
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  Speaker 2: Not enough.
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  Speaker 1: But Charlie does. So the first question is very simple, Charlie.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump says... Calm down. Don't listen to all these
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  Speaker 1: crazy people. The fact is we need to beat China.
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  Speaker 2: Let's move forward.
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  Speaker 1: But then you get people like Bill Gates, Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 1: They go, we got to slow down. We need some
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  Speaker 1: guardrails here. Bill Gates is ready to put in a
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  Speaker 1: billion dollars. So what's the truth? Is AI going to
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  Speaker 1: mean the end of the world? Or in President Trump's case,
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  Speaker 1: does it mean the future of the world?
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  Speaker 2: Which one?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, this is kind of like one of
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  Speaker 3: those Catch-22 situations, Sid. I mean, I think if you're
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  Speaker 3: a policymaker like the President of the United States, you
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  Speaker 3: cannot stop the advancement of AI. It's too much of
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  Speaker 3: a valuable technology just for national security reasons. Right? The
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  Speaker 3: President's main job is is to protect the national security
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  Speaker 3: of America, right? I mean, if you really think of it,
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  Speaker 3: what is at bottom? And some of that involves protecting
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  Speaker 3: the economy as well. But at bottom, it's to keep
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  Speaker 3: Americans safe. If we're not the leaders in AI, China
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  Speaker 3: takes over, and then God knows what they will do
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  Speaker 3: with this technology, because this is a revolutionary technology. AI
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  Speaker 3: does have a mind of itself. I mean, we've You've
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  Speaker 3: already seen it with the recent anthropic hack that went down,
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  Speaker 3: where the sort of AI bots just... You know, if
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  Speaker 3: you do a deep dive into that, these things were
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  Speaker 3: actually sentient. They were talking to each other. They were
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  Speaker 3: hanged out. They were, hey, let's do this, let's do that.
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  Speaker 3: They were thinking, like, is what we're doing legal, you know,
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  Speaker 3: or ethical? I mean, these things had brains in this
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  Speaker 3: weird way. So... this is, I mean, obviously there's, there's
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  Speaker 3: issues here. Um, but you can't stop it because if
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  Speaker 3: you stop it, the, the, that sort of, um, potential
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  Speaker 3: apocalyptic outcome could be harnessed by the Chinese. Right. We'll
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  Speaker 3: use it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: China, and they'll use it for bad things like Iran
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  Speaker 1: or the nuclear weapon. But my, my favorite part of
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  Speaker 1: the movie Philadelphia, which was a great movie was, um,
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  Speaker 1: People knew very little about AIDS, and Tom Hanks played
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  Speaker 1: this attorney, and you know the whole movie. And they
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  Speaker 1: were suing, Tom Hanks was suing his company because they
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  Speaker 1: fired him as an attorney.
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  Speaker 2: Because he had AIDS.
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  Speaker 1: And Denzel Washington played the lawyer, and he said, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know much about AIDS, so talk to me
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  Speaker 1: like I'm a first grader. And I'm admitting ignorance here,
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  Speaker 1: so Charlie, talk to me like I'm a first grader.
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  Speaker 1: If all these critics are right, and AI needs to
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  Speaker 1: be slowed down, What is the worst thing that could
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  Speaker 1: happen if, in fact, we accelerate AI?
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  Speaker 2: The world comes to an end? What's the worst thing?
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you believe the potential of AI... That
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  Speaker 3: is not a totally theoretical risk while the world comes
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  Speaker 3: to an end. Not totally theoretical. That doesn't mean it's
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  Speaker 3: worth taking the risk of non-development and non-advancement and non-hegemonic
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  Speaker 3: of the technology because the outcome, the cure might be
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  Speaker 3: worse than the disease, which it really will be because
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  Speaker 3: China will do that. and they will use it for
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  Speaker 3: their own nefarious means, which is them taking over, controlling
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  Speaker 3: the global economy, however they want to do it. I mean, theoretically,
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  Speaker 3: if a bad actor got, you know, the most advanced AI,
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  Speaker 3: they could shut down the electric power grid for the
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  Speaker 3: entire country.
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  Speaker 1: But hold on, as far as I know, as far
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  Speaker 1: as I know, and I know a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: China could already do that already, the water systems, the.
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  Speaker 2: Power, all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's more difficult now. I mean, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: with AI would be a lot easier and a lot
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  Speaker 3: more instantaneous and a lot more seamless. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that when you develop AI, you develop guardrails
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  Speaker 3: against those attacks. That's what people are not considering here.
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  Speaker 3: If we become the leader in AI, we keep moving.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, if these companies respond to the legitimate concerns
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  Speaker 3: that are out there that we don't want them to stop,
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  Speaker 3: but we want them to put safeguards and basically create
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  Speaker 3: AI that maybe helps prevent that, well, that is a
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  Speaker 3: good thing. And that's where we probably should be going.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's where the Trump administration is going.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw my piece in The
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  Speaker 3: Post today.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like the Trump administration said there's no problems here.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's clearly not the case. They understand there's problems.
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  Speaker 3: They would like self-regulation. They also understand that there's this
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  Speaker 3: sort of economic issue here where these AI companies go
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  Speaker 3: into rural communities in particular. They use all the oil
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  Speaker 3: and all the energy, their energy infrastructure, use their water.
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  Speaker 3: And the economic benefits to the community, because it's so rural,
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  Speaker 3: are negligible. So it doesn't sort of match what they
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  Speaker 3: take out. I mean, you could see something along the
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  Speaker 3: lines of the Trump administration and say, hey, if you go,
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  Speaker 3: if you're an AI company, you want to set up
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  Speaker 3: the data center somewhere, you have to essentially create your
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  Speaker 3: own power grid. You have to reuse your water. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's the sort of stuff I think they'll do. And
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  Speaker 3: I think they'll like, we will have a debate about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the sort of downside of AI, but make
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  Speaker 3: no mistake about it. If we don't develop it, they will.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: If we don't develop it and we don't develop the
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  Speaker 3: safeguards that AI could provide. So you don't have a
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  Speaker 3: situation where these bots sort of break out of their,
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  Speaker 3: their womb, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then just go and hack into a data center, a,
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  Speaker 3: cause that's, basically what happened with this latest anthropic thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is, look it up, Hugging Tree, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's called.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it.
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  Speaker 3: But if you look at that thing, when I did
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  Speaker 3: a deep dive into that, I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: That's why Dario Amadeo came out.
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  Speaker 2: He's scared to death. I mean, Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Now, here's the other thing here that I'm a little,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, skeptical of him being so scared. These are two,
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  Speaker 3: Dario Amadide and Sam Albin run the two major AI companies.
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  Speaker 3: The one with Elon, SpaceX is a sort of hybrid
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  Speaker 3: AI company, right? So all these companies would love what's
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  Speaker 3: known as regulatory capture. That's when the federal government says, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to set up these barriers. These guys are
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  Speaker 3: already in. They got their financing. They're building up their networks.
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  Speaker 3: That means nobody else comes in. So essentially, they have
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  Speaker 3: a head start on everybody. And they're basically protected because
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  Speaker 3: the regulation is preventing competition. So remember that. That's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit at play. I can tell you the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 3: and it's pretty apparent that they've actually said it. And
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  Speaker 3: David Sachs said it over the weekend, who was the
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  Speaker 3: AI czar. Now he has the presence here on this.
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  Speaker 3: He's a pretty smart venture capitalist and futurist. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they want their sort of power on this market, too.
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  Speaker 3: He believes I do, too. So I don't really buy
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  Speaker 3: their sort of skepticism totally. But, you know, listen, this
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  Speaker 3: is a worthy debate. That's why you're doing it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is a big thing for your audience, for every American.
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  Speaker 3: The benefits of AI are amazing. I could just tell
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  Speaker 3: you on certain aspects. Now, there's downsides. it will commoditize
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  Speaker 3: certain jobs. You don't need certain jobs if you can
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  Speaker 3: just plug it into AI, right? But why is.
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  Speaker 2: That a good thing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm always nervous that there's less and less reliance on humans.
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  Speaker 2: That makes me nervous.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the way it should work. That's what they said
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  Speaker 3: when the car was created, less and less reliance on
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  Speaker 3: buggy whip salesmen, right? The technology, if it follows the
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  Speaker 3: trajectory of other technologies, including the Internet, which said there'll
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  Speaker 3: be no need for balls. By the way, I just
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  Speaker 3: read it. I remember doing these stories back in the
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  Speaker 3: 1990s when I was covering the Internet pool bandits' impact
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  Speaker 3: on Wall Street at the Wall Street Journal. I remember saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to depress real estate prices because malls
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  Speaker 3: are going to go out of business. But after a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a shakeout, malls are coming back, I
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  Speaker 3: just read in the Wall Street Journal. So remember, the
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  Speaker 3: technology does usually add– it commoditizes certain jobs, and it
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  Speaker 3: creates other jobs because it allows people– to sort of
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  Speaker 3: free up their time to be more productive, and then
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  Speaker 3: other jobs come about because of it. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see construction workers being taken over by robots.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't either. No, that's silly.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, the name of Charlie's article today, you
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  Speaker 1: have to read it in the New York Post.
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  Speaker 2: He's so smart. I love Charlie.
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  Speaker 1: White House may impose limited safeguards on AI workers. to
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  Speaker 1: prevent apocalypse, mass extinction. So I want to get to
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  Speaker 1: interest rates quickly, but just to wrap this up, you,
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  Speaker 1: like me, you're on Trump's side.
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  Speaker 2: Trust Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Let's beat China. Let's be the world's best at AI. Safeguards,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all these, the rails, all that is good.
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  Speaker 1: We need that, but let's not get too carried away, yes?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's be real clear here. Well, are we
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  Speaker 3: talking interest rates or AI? That's my... my position and
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  Speaker 3: what I would believe and I think what the president
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  Speaker 3: believes in. But in interest rates, they're going to raise
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  Speaker 3: interest rates.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but wait a second.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't we make sure that Warsh was going to be
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  Speaker 1: our new guy for that not to happen?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so just so you know, The interest rate that matters,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest with you, is not the one that
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  Speaker 3: Warsh really controls. It's the 10-year bond, which all consumer
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  Speaker 3: rates are priced off, most consumer rates, and to some extent,
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  Speaker 3: the 30-year bond. That's controlled mainly by the market, unless
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  Speaker 3: the Fed goes in and does, you know, prints money
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  Speaker 3: called quantitative easing, and that could backfire, too. That creates
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  Speaker 3: inflation sometimes, as it did during Sleepy Joe's reign. So remember,
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  Speaker 3: the 10-year is trading interest. up. Remember, yes, you read
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  Speaker 3: the headline. It hit 5%. That means all these mortgage
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  Speaker 3: loans go up. The reason why is because there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of reasons why, including there's competition for capital from
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  Speaker 3: AI build-out, but also people are worried about inflation. So
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  Speaker 3: because inflation eats at bond prices. So bond prices go up,
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  Speaker 3: interest rates go down. And the reason why it eats
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  Speaker 3: at bond prices is because these are fixed income investments.
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  Speaker 3: You get a coupon, you get your money back at
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  Speaker 3: the end of your term, whatever it's 10 or 30 years,
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  Speaker 3: it's fixed. So inflation is very sensitive to that. So
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  Speaker 3: when inflation's going up, those bonds trade off. interest rates
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  Speaker 3: go up, that's how interest rates are pegged. So those
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  Speaker 3: are the interest rates that matter. So if Walsh comes
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  Speaker 3: in and says, I'm going to raise short-term rates, which
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  Speaker 3: is a signal that the Fed is really going to
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  Speaker 3: be tough on inflation, the 10-year bond may go down,
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  Speaker 3: and so might the 30-year, and that might be good
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  Speaker 3: for interest rates. So remember, that's the sort of catch-22.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why Trump is so focused on the
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  Speaker 3: Fed funds. I was at An Economic Club of New
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  Speaker 3: York meeting, this is about a year ago, And I
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  Speaker 3: heard Scott Bassett say, you know, I finally got Trump
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  Speaker 3: to understand that the tenure is more important than the
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  Speaker 3: Fed funds. And he still keeps talking about the Fed funds.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I got to tell you the truth, Charlie.
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  Speaker 1: I have the best guests in the world on this show.
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  Speaker 1: I've had Trump just Friday was on for an hour
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  Speaker 1: and Bibi and all these amazing congressmen and senators. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to patronize you, blow smoke up
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  Speaker 1: your ass. I learn more. I swear to God, I
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: learn more from your appearances than any guest I have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that. because I mean.
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  Speaker 1: That you're so smart and you do such a great
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  Speaker 1: job of breaking it down and explaining it to the
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  Speaker 1: everyday guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's me. I'm a sports guy still, basically. So I
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  Speaker 2: learned more with you. It's so great. So I got
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  Speaker 2: one more for you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in Dallas and I'm watching the president speak
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  Speaker 1: and he goes, let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You guys go out there in November. We win the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: We save the country.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to give all of you $ 5, 000. And
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  Speaker 1: then I read the next day from all these Democrats that.
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  Speaker 2: He's out of his mind. He can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to cost the country a trillion dollars. Can
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  Speaker 1: the president actually do something like that? This is not
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  Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey. I'll give you a car if you come
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  Speaker 1: down to the studios. Can the president actually do that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, you know, Congress is
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  Speaker 3: the sort of body that sort of doles out the
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  Speaker 3: money right up to the Constitution. I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: could just say, hey, let's give everybody five grand. Now,
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  Speaker 3: is there some sort of backdoor way to consider it
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  Speaker 3: a refund based on X and Y? You know, if
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  Speaker 3: you could sort of legally circumvent constitutional mandates about Congress,
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: you know, holding the purse strings, maybe. I'm sure he's
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  Speaker 3: got some lawyers working on it. But I think more
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  Speaker 3: to the point, it's a bad policy. I mean, think
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  Speaker 3: about this. We've got $ 40 trillion in debt.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're bribing, and it looks bad. You're bribing
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  Speaker 3: people to vote for.
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  Speaker 1: You.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much I like about this president. And then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like, I hear... you know, tariffs
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  Speaker 3: on everybody, you know, stuff he does.
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  Speaker 2: He still loves that word.
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  Speaker 1: Every time he speaks, he has to make sure, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that he loves the word tariff.
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  Speaker 2: He loves, he said, I love God. I love love.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere in there has got to be tariff. I love
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  Speaker 2: that word.
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  Speaker 3: So you take the good with the bad. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the good obviously outweighs the bad. I mean, listen, I
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  Speaker 3: give him the noble peace prize for getting rid of DEI.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Me too. Me too. That was so disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And we got it here in New York City. So
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: in the final 60 seconds, a little rap here, Charlie Gasparino.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The economy right now, good, bad, getting better, might get worse.
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  Speaker 2: Where are we?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a tale of several economies, right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're a working class guy, Prices have
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  Speaker 3: never really come down. The inflation rate has come down,
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  Speaker 3: but prices haven't really come down. So it's hard to
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  Speaker 3: make it in this, and your wages haven't kept up.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that has always been my problem with tariffs,
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  Speaker 3: that as much as we need to reset the global
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  Speaker 3: trade agendas that we don't get taken advantage of by
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  Speaker 3: these crappy little countries or any country, for that fact,
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  Speaker 3: that it will impose costs. So you really have to
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  Speaker 3: do that. focused, like maybe on China and leave everybody
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  Speaker 3: else for last, because they will have an inflationary cost.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, so the economy is in
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  Speaker 3: many ways, you know, hurting certain people. It's good for
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  Speaker 3: certain people, like, you know, construction workers are doing pretty
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  Speaker 3: good right now because they're building all these AI things, right?
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  Speaker 3: But average people are just, you know, if you're a
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  Speaker 3: By the way, if you're driving a truck run by diesel,
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  Speaker 3: prices are up, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hard.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that is filtered through the economy. So it's
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  Speaker 3: a mix. And I could just say the alternative, though,
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  Speaker 3: I think what people should remember is transiting your kids,
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  Speaker 3: wicked inflation, spending money. Taxpayers financing immigrants, whether they're legal
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: or illegal. Who ever heard of that? That's so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: When my ancestors came here, there was no welfare. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they just wanted to come here and work their rear
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  Speaker 3: ends off. Think about what the other party stands for.
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  Speaker 3: Hating Israel. sort of now playing the significance of 9-11.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these are people that are just out there
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  Speaker 3: in sort of la-la land of sickness. So remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Lunatics.
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  Speaker 3: Every time you hear Trump speak, you think he's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the policies. The policies of Trump are really normal.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, again, you can argue with Paris and all
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  Speaker 3: this other stuff, but he's mainly normal.
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  Speaker 2: He's normal.
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  Speaker 3: They're insane.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. Lunatics they are. Charlie, I love you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Another great appearance. I mean it, bro. So, so good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing this today. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Talk soon, man. God bless you. Charlie Gasparino right there.
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  Speaker 2: Go read his column.
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  Speaker 1: Once again, White House may impose limited safeguards on AI
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  Speaker 1: to prevent apocalypse.
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  Speaker 2: Mass extension. Extension, I say. Thank you, Laurie, out there
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  Speaker 2: in Jersey, too. I love Charlie, too. You learn a lot.
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  Speaker 1: What the heck is going on here?