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Ep. 821: Foundations - Ask Questions First, Shoot Later · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about shot selection
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Speaker 2: and what we often get wrong around when we draw
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Speaker 2: on deer and try to shoot them. It's that time
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Speaker 2: of year again when I know that on certain nights
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Speaker 2: I'll get a text or a phone call about a
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Speaker 2: poorly hit deer from someone in my life. This happens
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Speaker 2: quite a bit, and it's part of the game. It's
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Speaker 2: also true that a lot of folks don't practice enough,
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Speaker 2: sometimes take questionable shots, and just don't know how to
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Speaker 2: generally address this crucial part of being a bow and
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Speaker 2: it is crucial. I believe it, and I believe that
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Speaker 2: you can kind of get your reps in a couple
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Speaker 2: different ways, and you can rehearse how to get through
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Speaker 2: a shot opportunity even if a buck doesn't really follow
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Speaker 2: the script, which is what I'm going to explain right now.
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Speaker 2: Picture this if you will. You are a bad bear hunter,
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Speaker 2: but your twelve year old daughter has a bear tag,
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Speaker 2: so you head on over to Wisconsin with a truck
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Speaker 2: full of expired circus peanuts and fruit snacks and trail
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Speaker 2: mix and cookie dough and banana chips and about sixty
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Speaker 2: pounds of generic Swedish fish. You set up a blind
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Speaker 2: and a bait site in front of it, but you
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Speaker 2: have to put it fairly close because of how tight
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Speaker 2: the situation is. You bait the site, You bait your
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Speaker 2: buddy's site because you're a good guy, and you wait
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Speaker 2: for the dopamine dump that comes when your cell camera
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Speaker 2: shows you that Yogi found your goodies and is well
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Speaker 2: on his way to type two diabetes. Maybe you have
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Speaker 2: some giants come in, like legit three hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: pounds plus types of bears with their bellies nearly hitting
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Speaker 2: the ground with every step, but they are nocturnal, as
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Speaker 2: big bears often are. But you also have one normal
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Speaker 2: size bear, the kind that most people shoot, even though
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Speaker 2: everyone says they shoot three hundred pounders, just like everyone
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Speaker 2: who bass fishes. Seems to catch six pounders or like
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Speaker 2: the one guy at my gym just loads up on
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Speaker 2: eight pounders, which is quite a feat in a state
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Speaker 2: like Minnesota. I mean, you don't bump up on the
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Speaker 2: state record large mouth with a lot of consistency unless
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Speaker 2: you're really, really good or I don't know, totally full
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Speaker 2: of shit. Anyway, one bear a great bear for anyone,
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Speaker 2: let alone a first bear for a seventh grade girl,
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Speaker 2: starts coming in pretty regularly, so regularly it's like nothing
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Speaker 2: you've ever seen before. For nine days, this bear hits
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Speaker 2: the bait in daylight, and it's all you can do
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Speaker 2: to even sleep at night, knowing how good that first
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Speaker 2: sit is gonna be. So you pull your daughter out
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Speaker 2: of school on Friday of the first week of school year,
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Speaker 2: by the way, which according to some of the basketball
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Speaker 2: moms you talk to, is totally Bunyana's especially to kill
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Speaker 2: a poor, innocent, cute little baby bear. Maybe it's one
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Speaker 2: of those rare situations in the outdoors where you believe,
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Speaker 2: in your hunting heart of hearts that you're going to
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Speaker 2: get an easy one finally, and better yet, your daughter
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Speaker 2: is going to have an exciting and amazing sit. So
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Speaker 2: as you slip into the blind. You know it's just
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Speaker 2: a matter of time, but the slow decay of time
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Speaker 2: doesn't stop, and soon you're out of light, You're out
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Speaker 2: of ideas, and back to the reality of just being
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Speaker 2: a terrible bear hunter. Overnight, you check your cell cameras
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Speaker 2: about seven thousand times and realize that for some reason,
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Speaker 2: the bears are just gonezo. So, with nothing to lose,
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Speaker 2: you get up early and decide that it's time for
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Speaker 2: an all day sit, or at least dang near an
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Speaker 2: all day sit. By the time you get your daughter
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Speaker 2: to eat some donuts and get her stuff ready for
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Speaker 2: the long haul, And instead of going in and banging
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Speaker 2: some bait buckets around and generally announcing to the local
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Speaker 2: bears that there are some fresh growls available, you go
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Speaker 2: in like a pair of ninjas. Three hours pass she
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Speaker 2: falls asleep, and just like that, there's a bear at
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Speaker 2: twenty yards enclosing real fast inside that blind. It's straight
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Speaker 2: up to your nobyl, but she gets on her crossbow
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Speaker 2: and you both watch as the bear puts its nose
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Speaker 2: in the air, turns around and walks away. The one
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Speaker 2: bear you had to work with just winded you, and
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Speaker 2: it feels like curtains for the hunt. But for some reason,
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Speaker 2: while you're sitting there in your despair and frustration, you
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Speaker 2: want to cry just a little bit. You know. Ten
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Speaker 2: minutes later that bear is back, and this time, after
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Speaker 2: about five hundred careful sniffs of the air, it makes
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Speaker 2: its way to the logs piled over the bait. You
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Speaker 2: whisper to her to take the first good shot, because
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Speaker 2: it's a situation that could be over in the matter
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Speaker 2: of one errant breeze, which feels more likely by the
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Speaker 2: second you know more than utter that sentence. Then the
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Speaker 2: bear climbs up on the logs, sits down like a dog,
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Speaker 2: and the crossbow goes off, surprising both you and Yogi.
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Speaker 2: It never occurred to you that the first good shot
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Speaker 2: would look like that, but it wasn't your call, and
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Speaker 2: you don't even have a chance to really think about
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Speaker 2: it before you hear the death mone All's well, that
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Speaker 2: ends well, I guess now you may have guessed, but
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Speaker 2: that wasn't actually a made up hypothetical, but a very
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Speaker 2: trimmed down version of a recent bear hunt I had
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Speaker 2: with my daughter, which I might add was one of
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Speaker 2: the most badass experiences I've had in the outdoors, even
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Speaker 2: if it ended up with me having to butcher a
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Speaker 2: bear and find someone to make a rug out of it,
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Speaker 2: which might end up costing me more than a year
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Speaker 2: of tuition at a state school. Although it's been a
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Speaker 2: few years since I walked the hallowed halls of our
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Speaker 2: finest institutions, the first good shot. It's a rule that
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Speaker 2: we all should know, we should probably all follow. We
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Speaker 2: should all admit that we often don't really understand what
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Speaker 2: it means at a deeper level, though on the surface
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Speaker 2: it just means what it says. If that buck walks
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Speaker 2: in and he's twenty seven yards out and you are
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Speaker 2: very confident and he's roadside, are quartering away, why wait?
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe he looks like he's going to walk
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Speaker 2: into fifteen and that would be better, But that's also
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Speaker 2: a gamble. Another buck could walk in and mess things up.
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Speaker 2: He could turn right around and leave. You could feel
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Speaker 2: a slight breeze on your back, you know, on the
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Speaker 2: back of your neck, like you do out west all
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Speaker 2: the time when you're elk hunting. Whatever else could happen.
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Speaker 2: Close Proximity is why bow hunting is so awesome, but
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Speaker 2: also why it's so difficult. It's easy to get busted
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Speaker 2: when they're right in your lap. What take the first
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Speaker 2: good shot means on a deeper level is that you
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Speaker 2: have to let the deer tell you when to shoot.
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Speaker 2: In hunting, probably a lot of other things in life,
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Speaker 2: we get an idea in our head of how, you know,
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Speaker 2: either we want things to go down or how it
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Speaker 2: will go down. This happens a lot when we are
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Speaker 2: redlining from adrenaline and the buck we've been waiting on
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Speaker 2: all season is right there. We think all he has
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Speaker 2: to do has walked ten more feet down the row
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Speaker 2: of beans across the river like they always do, and
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Speaker 2: just pose up at eighteen yards. But when we wait
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Speaker 2: for that to happen, deer just tend to do other stuff.
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Speaker 2: I almost never killed deer exactly how I envision it,
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Speaker 2: unless I'm on a really really good terrain trap or
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Speaker 2: sitting on a kill plot where they just kind of
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Speaker 2: naturally position themselves. What happens mostly is I expect them
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Speaker 2: to do something and they just do something else, And
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Speaker 2: often I think, shit, I should have shot the first
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Speaker 2: time he walked in, but I didn't. And now a
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Speaker 2: higher level of panic is settling in because now it's
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Speaker 2: going a different way than I expected it to. This
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Speaker 2: is where bad shots happen and stupid decisions are made.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to a few of those in a second,
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Speaker 2: but let me tell you a story from last season
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Speaker 2: about a deer I felt like I almost didn't get
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Speaker 2: because I was waiting for a better shot. It was
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Speaker 2: the last day of a four day shoot here in Minnesota,
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Speaker 2: and I hadn't had a good opportunity at anything but
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Speaker 2: a couple of scrap in a couple of does, but
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Speaker 2: even they had all young fawns, so I hadn't even
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Speaker 2: really got close to drawing my bow yet. And for
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Speaker 2: the last sit, I walked with my cameraman through a
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Speaker 2: bean field and saw that it was browsed like crazy,
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Speaker 2: and there were also a lot of acorns in there
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Speaker 2: on the edges of that field as well, and the
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Speaker 2: whole corner of the field was just buzzing with deer sign.
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Speaker 2: I had intended to go much deeper to a different stand,
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Speaker 2: but walking past that much sign is dumb. So I
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Speaker 2: got into a backup stand that my buddy and I
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Speaker 2: had hung there during the summer, and as the light faded,
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Speaker 2: two bucks hit the field behind us. One was a
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Speaker 2: little six pointer, and the other was a really nice
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Speaker 2: ten pointer. The ten pointer was feeding in a row
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Speaker 2: right behind that little buck. When the little buck hit
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Speaker 2: my best shooting lane, he cut right to the stand
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Speaker 2: and then took a trail ten yards in front of us,
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Speaker 2: and it was perfect. Now, I figured that the bigger deer,
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Speaker 2: which was browsing away at like thirty yards, would do
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Speaker 2: the exact same thing, so I didn't shoot, but he
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Speaker 2: didn't do the same thing. He turned around and started
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Speaker 2: staring back up the field edge, and it looked a
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Speaker 2: little bit wiggy. I don't know what he was looking at.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he heard or smelled, But all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, the whole vibe change. My best shot opportunity,
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Speaker 2: the one I was counting on, even though I could
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Speaker 2: have already shot him several times, went up in smoke.
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Speaker 2: And then I had more panic in my heart, in
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Speaker 2: my head, more bad thoughts telling me to rush things
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Speaker 2: before he leaves. And he looked like he might leave.
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Speaker 2: I waited for him to turn and open up to
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Speaker 2: a broadside shot, but he stopped slightly. According to it
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Speaker 2: was an ideal, but I was in kill mode. It
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Speaker 2: was definitely a very doable shot, and I hit him
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Speaker 2: right where I needed to. But I didn't have to
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Speaker 2: take that shot. I had a better shot earlier. In fact,
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Speaker 2: I had multiple opportunities to take a shot on that
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Speaker 2: deer at absolutely doable effective range, and I opted out.
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Speaker 2: I let perfect be the enemy of good enough, and
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Speaker 2: it nearly cost me that deer. That type of thinking
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Speaker 2: has gotten me before. Maybe I'm just a slow learner,
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Speaker 2: but you can learn from my stupidity. If you have
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Speaker 2: a shot where you are very confident you can make it,
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Speaker 2: just take it, honestly, take it. Maybe in some situations
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Speaker 2: where they are coming into water or something where they
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Speaker 2: are very likely to position themselves better. Maybe. Wait, but
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Speaker 2: I lost one hundred and fifty inch Wisconsin buck a
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Speaker 2: few years ago thinking like that, So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm a little cagy. I had him dead to rights
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Speaker 2: and then he caught me dead to rights in what
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Speaker 2: was seven minutes of sheer panic that broke his way.
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Speaker 2: How do you know what shot is your best first shot? Though?
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Speaker 2: Well that's up to you. But the best way to
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Speaker 2: get really confident in that situation is to just shoot more. Dear,
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Speaker 2: The thing about this is you might have done this
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Speaker 2: yourself or you have. I doubtedly heard people say this
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Speaker 2: that they could have shot this buck or that buck,
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Speaker 2: or they could have stacked up the doze. Passing up
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Speaker 2: deer gives us a lot of confidence that we could
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Speaker 2: have killed deer. But let me tell you something, until
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Speaker 2: you pick up that bow, draw aim, and execute a
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Speaker 2: good shot, there is no such thing as you definitely
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Speaker 2: would have without a doubt, killed that deer. About twelve
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Speaker 2: years ago, I snuck in and hung a stand on
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Speaker 2: a small river bottom in Nebraska to try to arrow
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Speaker 2: a public land buck. The trip wasn't going all that great,
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Speaker 2: but I was still on the fence about what i'd shoot.
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Speaker 2: When I saw a scrapper seven pointer coming in on
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Speaker 2: the exact trail I was set up to cover, I
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Speaker 2: realized that my standards were down to exactly a scraper
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Speaker 2: seven pointer. I took it for granted that the tenderloins
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Speaker 2: of that young, lust filled buck would be sizzling on
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Speaker 2: my open fire later that day. All I had to
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Speaker 2: do was let him get into range, turn a bit
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Speaker 2: in my stand, stop him, and kill him. Simple right,
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Speaker 2: Except when I turned a little bit in my stand,
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Speaker 2: one of those bootloop grammet things that Almost all hunting
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Speaker 2: boots have caught on the cable of my stand that
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Speaker 2: holds up the seat platform connects the whole thing, and
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Speaker 2: it causes little ping sound that was enough to take
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Speaker 2: a sure thing and make it a not going to
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Speaker 2: happen thing. Little stuff like that happens when deer are
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Speaker 2: super close, and they rarely make it easier for us
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Speaker 2: to fill our tag when something goes down like that,
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Speaker 2: if you have the chance to go out and take
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Speaker 2: more shots that actual deer, do it. I have to
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Speaker 2: say this so people don't get pissed now. I'm not
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Speaker 2: advocating shooting deer just to get better at shooting deer.
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Speaker 2: They're not good for living target practice. Don't do that.
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Speaker 2: Shoot them because you want to eat them or someone
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Speaker 2: else wants to eat them. But try to find a reason,
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Speaker 2: a good reason to fill more tags. It'll make you
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Speaker 2: more of a killer. This honestly changes everything about taking
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Speaker 2: shots on deer, in my opinion. You learn much better
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Speaker 2: about when exactly to time your draw, when to stop
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Speaker 2: them with a little mirp or let them go naturally,
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Speaker 2: and where your point of impact needs to be at
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Speaker 2: all times when a deer is close and moving and
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Speaker 2: eating and scratching its nose and doing deer things when
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Speaker 2: it decides for whatever reason to circle the pond and
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Speaker 2: not drink, but instead of standing the brush at twenty
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Speaker 2: seven yards nibbling away on something tasty. That's the kind
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Speaker 2: of situations I'm talking about. You learn to take the
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Speaker 2: gift and open it right away instead of setting it
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Speaker 2: aside for the perfect moment. Because in this case, not
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Speaker 2: only do deer often do what we just don't expect,
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Speaker 2: they are more likely to spook or get wiggy the
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Speaker 2: more they spend time in close proximity to us. This
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Speaker 2: is the worst case scenario when you've already slipped into
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Speaker 2: killer mode. And this happens a lot. You take a
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Speaker 2: sure thing encounter and suddenly, before you know it, the
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Speaker 2: buckets put his nose up in the air and his
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Speaker 2: eyes are bugging out, and suddenly he walks straight away.
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Speaker 2: He does that thing where they bound ten yards farther out,
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Speaker 2: stops and stares. This is a time when a lot
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Speaker 2: of deer either get shot at, missed, or hit poorly.
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Speaker 2: Happens a lot. It's sometimes unavoidable and just breaks that way.
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Speaker 2: But it also sometimes happens because we don't take the
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Speaker 2: first shot we can. It also happens when we aren't
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Speaker 2: paying attention, or can be a consequence of us not
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Speaker 2: quite having the lead time we need to get ourselves
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Speaker 2: ready for the first good shot. I don't know how
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Speaker 2: to address this because I'm as guilty of anyone else,
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Speaker 2: But if you're in a situation where you might not
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Speaker 2: hear them coming for a ways, it's best to pay
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Speaker 2: attention when a deer surprises you. And believe me, I
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Speaker 2: know this from experience, is suddenly a matter of how
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Speaker 2: far out they are and what their trajectory is like.
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Speaker 2: This is a time of panic, and again might not
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Speaker 2: work out all that well shot wise during the run.
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Speaker 2: That's going to happen quickly, and it rarely results in
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Speaker 2: a dead buck. If you're deep into Instagram and not
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Speaker 2: paying attention to the world around you, there is nothing
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Speaker 2: worse than getting caught off guard and missing a prime
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Speaker 2: shot opportunity. Because we are all addicted to the algorithms,
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Speaker 2: there is nothing like the panic that settles in when
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Speaker 2: you realize you already missed your first good shot opportunity
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Speaker 2: because of pure operator error. In that case, you stack
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Speaker 2: the odds against yourself in a way that becomes apparent quickly.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you won't get another shot opportunity. You
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Speaker 2: certainly might, but you might not, or you might and
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Speaker 2: not be as calm and prepared as you could have been.
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Speaker 2: Both are potential outcomes, and neither are all that great.
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Speaker 2: This part used to be the most frustrating for beginning
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Speaker 2: hunters because it wasn't that long ago when it was
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Speaker 2: just a lot harder to get close to deer. We
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Speaker 2: didn't have as many deer thirty years ago, we didn't
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Speaker 2: have the cameras or the blinds are the great clothing
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Speaker 2: that we have now. It just wasn't as easy to
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Speaker 2: sit undetected in the woods as it is now, so
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Speaker 2: when you had one get close, it was go time,
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Speaker 2: and often go time went wrong. Today, at least for
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Speaker 2: a lot of hunters, it's easier to deer close, have
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Speaker 2: more information and way better hunting gear, but that doesn't
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Speaker 2: make it easier to be closer sometimes, and it doesn't
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Speaker 2: make it easier to be a closer. People still have
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Speaker 2: to work through that stage. And while it can be
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Speaker 2: easier to keep your stuff together on a year link
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Speaker 2: dough than it is on one hundred and sixty five
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Speaker 2: inch non typical. You want to be able to read
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Speaker 2: both encounters and choose the first good shot you get,
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Speaker 2: no matter what deer it is. And I know which
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Speaker 2: one of those deer is more likely to give you
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Speaker 2: an opportunity, and that's an important distinction. But we run
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Speaker 2: our own races, my friends. You can shoot what you want,
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Speaker 2: but you should think about this as you get into
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Speaker 2: the season and start to have some encounters with real, live,
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Speaker 2: actual white tail deer. Now I don't advocate drawing on
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Speaker 2: and aiming at non target deer because that means there
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Speaker 2: is a small chance you'll actually shoot somehow, But I
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Speaker 2: do think it's a good idea to go through the
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Speaker 2: rest of the motions when deer come in. If you
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Speaker 2: feel like they won't get you busted, think through how
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Speaker 2: you'll stand up, if you're going to stand up, or
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Speaker 2: switch sides in your saddle, or pick your bow up
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Speaker 2: in your blind, do whatever you have to do in
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Speaker 2: order to take the first high odd shot opportunity. And
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Speaker 2: this might seem dumb, but it's not. If you get
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Speaker 2: the reps in of just rehearsing how you're gonna get
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Speaker 2: close there, and that buck walks in, that's only a
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Speaker 2: little fork and you know you're not going to shoot him,
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Speaker 2: it's still valuable to stand up and turn and get
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Speaker 2: into position to shoot and watch how he reacts and
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Speaker 2: watch how he moves through the landscape by your stand
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Speaker 2: when you're ready to shoot, even if you might not shoot,
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Speaker 2: because it's different than sitting there kind of watching them
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Speaker 2: go through. It'll be a great opportunity for you if
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Speaker 2: a really big buck comes into that stand four weeks
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Speaker 2: later in the season, or if you're on a different
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Speaker 2: stand three years down the road, because this is a
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Speaker 2: skill that can be developed and worked on continually, and
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Speaker 2: it's a guarantee that at some point, if you keep hunting,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna need it. So think about that, Do that,
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Speaker 2: and come back next week because I'm going to drop
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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of Foundations episodes in honor of our
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Speaker 2: white Tail Week. That's it for this episode. I'm Tony Peterson.
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