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Will the U.S. resume kinetic activity in Iran? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: good Monday to you. We are on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: our seats waiting to see what happens next, which I
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  Speaker 1: expect will be the resumption of combat operations between the
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  Speaker 1: United States and Israel against the remnants of the Islamic
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  Speaker 1: Republic of Iran. There's a lot of reasons to believe
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  Speaker 1: that that is imminent. There are some indications that there
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  Speaker 1: will be a medium which will be made final tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: in the Situation Room. Let's go first with Trey Yank's
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  Speaker 1: report this morning on Fox and Friends from Tel Aviv
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  Speaker 1: Cut number fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: The Middle East remains on edge, waiting to see if
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  Speaker 3: the war will resume in the days ahead. Overnight, President
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  Speaker 3: Trump taking to True social with a new warning for
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  Speaker 3: the regime. He said, for Iran. The clock is ticking
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  Speaker 3: and they better get moving fast or there won't be.
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  Speaker 4: Anything left of them. Time is of the essence.
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  Speaker 3: The President's post comes as reports indicate the Iranians have
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  Speaker 3: submitted a revised proposal to Pakistani mediators aimed at addressing
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  Speaker 3: some of the gaps in their previous response that President
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  Speaker 3: Trump described as a piece of garbage Aladinda.
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  Speaker 5: Therefore, from the very day after we sent our points
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  Speaker 5: to the American side via Pakistan, we were faced with
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  Speaker 5: a series of proposals from the other side, which have
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  Speaker 5: been reviewed over the past few days. As was announced yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: our own views have in turn been conveyed to the
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  Speaker 5: American side.
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  Speaker 3: While diplomatic efforts play out. The economic situation in Iran
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  Speaker 3: is getting worse each day due to the ongoing US
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  Speaker 3: blockade of Iranian ports. Sentcom says more than eighty commercial
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  Speaker 3: vessels have been redirected and four were disabled to enforce
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  Speaker 3: the blockade. A senior Israeli official told Fox News that
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  Speaker 3: early signs are developing of a fuel crisis in Iran,
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  Speaker 3: with long lines at gas stations being observed. It's getting
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  Speaker 3: exponentially worse. The official added, was this the.
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  Speaker 6: Economic situation is very, very bad. I mean for three
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  Speaker 6: months now, the situation has completely deteriorated ever since these
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  Speaker 6: protests happened and the dollar price went up.
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  Speaker 4: Then after the war.
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  Speaker 6: Started, the shop was basically closed for nearly a month,
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  Speaker 6: and now the situation is extremely bad.
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  Speaker 3: The US military build up across the region does continue,
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  Speaker 3: with more transport planes arriving here each day, guys.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the situation. This morning, Steve Varney asked
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  Speaker 1: me to come on his show today on Fox Business.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to his monologue, which concluded the president must
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  Speaker 1: finish the job, and then Stewart came to me, cut
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  Speaker 1: number four.
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  Speaker 7: You Hewett joining us this morning. Here, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a long time and we've very glad to
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  Speaker 7: see you. Good morning, goodoy. So do we need military
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  Speaker 7: action on Iran to get to a viable piece deal.
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  Speaker 1: I believe you were one hundred percent correct, Stuart when
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  Speaker 1: you said time to finish the job. I believe it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: In England, if we're in the Parliament, people would be
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  Speaker 1: thumping the table and saying here here hear him, hear him?
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  Speaker 1: Because I agree with everything you said, except maybe going
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  Speaker 1: in to get the uranium that's not pressing. What is
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  Speaker 1: pressing Iran is bleeding out. But they we want them
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  Speaker 1: to bleed out more quickly, their leadership and so the
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  Speaker 1: military action. And I think you have anticipated anticipated what
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  Speaker 1: the situation room will be tomorrow. You've read the situation
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  Speaker 1: room right. They're going to have a preference of bias
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  Speaker 1: for action that the President is telegraphed. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it'll be. It could be on many different fronts.
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  Speaker 1: It could be Cars Island, it could be the other islands,
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  Speaker 1: it could be operations within the country. Certainly the IDF involved.
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  Speaker 1: But I one hundred percent agree with you. We cannot
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  Speaker 1: allow the slow bleedout because the cost of the world
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  Speaker 1: is too high. And the President has said that again
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  Speaker 1: and again. So I think you nailed it all right,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 7: I want to move on to a different subject. Republican
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  Speaker 7: Senator Bill Cassidy just lost his primary election in Louisiana,
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  Speaker 7: so that Lindsey Graham says it's a direct result of
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  Speaker 7: Cassidy's criticism of President Trump.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, know this, There's no room in this party to
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  Speaker 8: destroy his agenda or to destroy him and his family.
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  Speaker 8: As a Republican Democrats do it all the time. If
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  Speaker 8: you align with Democrats to stop his agenda, like Massey does,
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  Speaker 8: you're going to lose. If you align with Democrats to
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  Speaker 8: drive him out of office, like Cassie did, you're going
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  Speaker 8: to lose.
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  Speaker 4: I think President Trump's doing a hell of a good job.
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  Speaker 8: And if you get if you try to destroy him,
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  Speaker 8: you're going to get destroyed.
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  Speaker 4: That's the takeaway.
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  Speaker 7: Hugh hewittt it sure looks like criticism. Criticizing President Trump
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  Speaker 7: is a losing strategy for Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: It is, isn't it? Well, trying to destroy him is?
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  Speaker 1: I think Lindsey Graham picked his words very very carefully there. Jd. Vance,
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  Speaker 1: Vice President, was in Maine last week and he said
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  Speaker 1: about the very moderate Susan Collins that she's right for me.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to see Donald Trump attacking Susan college
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  Speaker 1: the political realist. She wins with ten points, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to win again. But if you're in a red state,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in a deep red state like Bill or
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  Speaker 1: in a deep red congressional district like Tom Massey, and
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  Speaker 1: all you do is complain and backstab and clip, then
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  Speaker 1: the President's coming after you. And I hope Tom Massey
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  Speaker 1: goes down tomorrow because he's nothing but a block on reply,
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  Speaker 1: not really a Republican. He's a Democrat who pretends to
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  Speaker 1: be a Republican, who who's just addicted to television time.
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  Speaker 1: So I think in red states, in an era of
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  Speaker 1: maximum partisanship, or in red congressional district, you screw around
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  Speaker 1: with the president at your own peril. He will come
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  Speaker 1: after you. And it's been that way for ten years now.
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  Speaker 1: So if you get taken out like the Indiana State
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  Speaker 1: senators or Senator Cassidy or Tom Massey tomorrow, Sean dan Fall,
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  Speaker 1: this is maximum partisanship, play on the team that sent ship.
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  Speaker 1: Stay with the people who brought you to the dance.
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  Speaker 1: Trump has been orchestrating the dance for ten years. Lindsay's
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  Speaker 1: got it right. Don't try and destroy him.
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  Speaker 7: It's fascinating to be commenting on this. We haven't see
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  Speaker 7: anything like this for years and years and years, if
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  Speaker 7: ever before in my lifetime. You, Hewitt, real pleasure to
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  Speaker 7: have you on the show. Please do not be anger.
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  Speaker 1: I like being with Stewart. He's an English gentleman, even
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  Speaker 1: though he's an American citizen. Now now I will I
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  Speaker 1: hope tomorrow John Cornyn and Chip Roy win well because
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  Speaker 1: they always fight for the president and they win. So
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  Speaker 1: John Cornyn's up for reelection. He won the first round
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  Speaker 1: where they went from three to two. Attorney General Ken
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  Speaker 1: Paxton scandal plagued Ken Paxton go lose that seat. He
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  Speaker 1: will lose to Tall Rico. And therefore you don't see
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump down there trying to defeat John Cornick ause
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  Speaker 1: John Cornan votes with Donald Trump ninety nine percent of
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  Speaker 1: the time. And no matter what Ken Paxton says, that's
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  Speaker 1: what John Carnan is. He's a rock ribbed red Republican
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  Speaker 1: and normal people are going to come out tomorrow or
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  Speaker 1: the early voting the other way now, and I think
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  Speaker 1: the vote is on May twenty six. John Cornyn should win, Tomorrowever,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Massey and Kentucky should lose because he is a
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  Speaker 1: pain in the neck of everyone in the Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: and we can't put up with this anymore. We need
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  Speaker 1: party discipline and serious people. So when you're in a
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  Speaker 1: deep red state, be throw punches for the Republican. When
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  Speaker 1: you're in a blue state and you're a Republican, you
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  Speaker 1: have to reflect your state or you get tossed out,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're in a deep red district, do not
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  Speaker 1: you know, Lauren Boebert's the latest to get in the
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  Speaker 1: president's cross here. Just don't do that. Don't be stupid.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can't take stupid out of some people,
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  Speaker 1: right They get stuck on stupid like Tom Massey, or
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  Speaker 1: they get addicted to being on TV, or they're just
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  Speaker 1: they're just not very stable people. Bill Cassidy, I know
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  Speaker 1: you liked the headline now and then he liked to
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  Speaker 1: be on TV a little bit too much. He wanted
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  Speaker 1: to mess around with Maha. I just if you're from Louisiana,
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  Speaker 1: be like John Kennedy and go on Fox, and go
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  Speaker 1: on Salem News Channel and come on this program and
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  Speaker 1: speak up for the president and his agenda and be
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  Speaker 1: a Republican. It's a two party system. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: two and a half party system. There is. If you're
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  Speaker 1: in the moderate middle, you'd better be from a state
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  Speaker 1: like Maine that is smaller and appreciates people who go
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  Speaker 1: both ways and are seeing both sides, or have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of power like Susan Collins on the Appropriations Committee.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be a dummy now, I mean a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun stuff. We won't know about the war until tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So I lined up Drew Lawler, who is
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  Speaker 1: the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary at the Department of Commerce
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  Speaker 1: in charge of fisheries, because I want to do oceans
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  Speaker 1: and says, you really ought to carry the Hugh Hewitt show.
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  Speaker 1: He's on the Salem News Channel. He's a Fox News contributor.
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  Speaker 1: for the next two weeks. It's every two nights beginning
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  Speaker 1: so Terry Pleto's coming along. Tom Cotton will be here
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  Speaker 1: an hour number two to talk about the situation with Iran,
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  Speaker 1: and stay tuned. Right now we're going to learn about
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  Speaker 1: the oceans. Jim Drew Waller, stay chick Quarterback America. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here doing in the relief Factory studio. Last week when
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  Speaker 1: the Pregnant was in Beijing, I kept waiting to hear
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  Speaker 1: if they were going to talk about the Chinese fishing fleet,
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  Speaker 1: which is a giant and malignant presence on the high seat.
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  Speaker 1: I know that because I know Drew Lawler. Drew Lawler
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  Speaker 1: is the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for NOAH National Oceanographic
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  Speaker 1: and Atmospheric Administration and AA, and he is the principal
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Assistant Secretary and charge of Negotiation. Drew, welcome. It's
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  Speaker 1: great to see you. As Dwayne said, you've got the
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  Speaker 1: best camera angle going. We love your your camera angle
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  Speaker 1: there very ocean a graphic there oceanic. Tell me, did
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  Speaker 1: did the fishing stuff come up last week with the
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  Speaker 1: President and his team in Beijing?
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  Speaker 9: It did not, But that's okay. Is that we were
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  Speaker 9: on it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what you do, because people don't
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  Speaker 1: know how the chi coom's right, the at work, just
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  Speaker 1: fishing out our oceans wherever they can.
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  Speaker 10: Sure, so first, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 9: You know, most people have no idea what goes on
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  Speaker 9: beyond our two hundred mile exclusive economic zone, but I
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  Speaker 9: can tell you, hewit's the wild West out.
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  Speaker 10: There for starters.
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  Speaker 9: As you mentioned, there's the extensive use of enslaved labor
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  Speaker 9: on Chinese fishing boats. I mean to put that into
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  Speaker 9: perspective we might have when I say, with the United
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  Speaker 9: States might have maybe three hundred boats that fish outside
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  Speaker 9: of our two in a mile exclusive economic zone. China
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  Speaker 9: has seventeen thousand by some estimates, and they predominantly used enslave.
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  Speaker 10: Labor on these boats.
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  Speaker 9: About a year ago, I had the experience of being
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  Speaker 9: on the US Coast Guard cutter Harriet Lane in the
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  Speaker 9: western Central Pacific and we were doing some boardings of
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  Speaker 9: Chinese longline boats, and sure enough, on the very first
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  Speaker 9: boat we boarded, our crew found out that the Chinese
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  Speaker 9: campton told the crew, which was I think Filipino crew members,
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  Speaker 9: that if you don't sign up for twelve more months,
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  Speaker 9: you have to forfeit your pay for the last twelve months,
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  Speaker 9: So a clear case of forced labor.
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  Speaker 10: And that's just China.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's estimated that in Ecuador very aggressive fishing fleet. Internationally,
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  Speaker 9: they have forty thousand commercial fishing boats that are predominantly
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  Speaker 9: hammering Dorado also known as Mahimai.
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  Speaker 10: And then you've got other.
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  Speaker 9: Nations, like other Asian nations as well as some of
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  Speaker 9: European nations that will catch thousands of sharks only to
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  Speaker 9: cut the fins off of them and then dump the
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  Speaker 9: carcasses overboard. So there's no shortage of issues when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to managing international fisheries.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is your second tour of duty in a
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration and the same job, doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Are we making progress? Does anyone actually abide by the
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  Speaker 1: negotiations that end up in deals?
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  Speaker 9: That is a really great question, because for the most part,
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  Speaker 9: this is the honor system. I mean, when you think
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  Speaker 9: about it, you've got again, you've got China with perhaps
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  Speaker 9: seventeen thousand fishing boats fishing in the high seas. Who
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  Speaker 9: knows when they offload their catch, who's weighing it, who's
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  Speaker 9: weighing the Central American nations. I can tell tell you this.
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  Speaker 9: Out there on the high seas, the US wears the
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  Speaker 9: white hat. Our fishing fleet is the most regulated fishing
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  Speaker 9: fleet in the world, and we're very good at what
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  Speaker 9: we do. But when it comes to other nations abiding
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  Speaker 9: by these rules and regulations that are very carefully negotiated,
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  Speaker 9: the question is we hope so? But the questions are
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  Speaker 9: really are they? And you know, sometimes we can put
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  Speaker 9: observers on boats, and sometimes we can have observers in
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  Speaker 9: the purse themselves when they unload their catch, but that's
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  Speaker 9: not always the case globally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now, how do you sanction a fleet of forty
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  Speaker 1: thousand boats using long lines and cutting fins off a shark?
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  Speaker 1: What's the enforcement mechanism? We're not members of the Law
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  Speaker 1: of the Sea treaty, thank goodness, it's a bad treaty.
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  Speaker 1: But what does the United States do? Is the good
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  Speaker 1: cop on the ocean's blue?
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  Speaker 10: Well, there are a couple of mechanisms in place.
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  Speaker 9: That one without drifting too far into the way, and
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  Speaker 9: it's a mouthful. It's called the High Seas Drift Net
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  Speaker 9: more Torrent Protection Act. That's along the books that Congress
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  Speaker 9: has had for about going back twelve years now, I
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  Speaker 9: believe and that that law says that if other nations
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  Speaker 9: are not using methods of conservation that are comparable to
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  Speaker 9: that of the United States, that we then have the
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  Speaker 9: authority under this under the Statute to restrict their fish
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  Speaker 9: imports in the United States.
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  Speaker 10: It's a big hammer.
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  Speaker 9: So rather than going after individual boats or individual vessel owners,
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  Speaker 9: we actually have.
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  Speaker 10: The ability to go after and sanctioned an entire nation.
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  Speaker 9: So there are there are, there are mechanisms in place.
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  Speaker 9: We have not used them extensively yet. But but the
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  Speaker 9: heart and place.
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  Speaker 1: Have you brought that hammer down on anyone yet?
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  Speaker 9: Well, we've certainly identified nations for bringing the hammer down
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  Speaker 9: on them. The next step would be for that to
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  Speaker 9: go to the Secretary of Commerce and up to the
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  Speaker 9: chain of command, to the to the White House. So
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  Speaker 9: the question so in some cases I think we haven't
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  Speaker 9: limited and limited cases, but these these these identifications have
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  Speaker 9: just recently been made.
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  Speaker 10: So we will see how that all, how that rolls out.
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  Speaker 1: So beyond fishing, the other big thing that people don't
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  Speaker 1: quite grasp is there's a lot of stuff on the
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  Speaker 1: ocean bottom, a lot of minerals, a lot of valuable minerals.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any kind of convention? Are you working on
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  Speaker 1: any deal that allocates who gets to take what, when
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  Speaker 1: and where?
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  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, there is, uh, there is a governing body
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  Speaker 9: for that.
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  Speaker 10: We have not signed on to it yet.
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  Speaker 9: Again, you know, President Trump is very savvy when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to these deals. In there's any any multilateral deal
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  Speaker 9: is very problematic because you limit your ability to uh,
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  Speaker 9: to put the US first, and you put yourself at
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  Speaker 9: the mercy quite frankly of a consensus organization.
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  Speaker 10: So we we have, for example.
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  Speaker 9: In in the management of our fisheries, all of these
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  Speaker 9: fisheries are managed by consensus. So what that means is
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  Speaker 9: that nation, every nation has to agree to what your
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  Speaker 9: fishing quota is going to be. And that's how you Yet,
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  Speaker 9: for example, we've got nations like Morocco which has four
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  Speaker 9: times the US bluethen quota. In the Atlantic, You've got
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  Speaker 9: Tunisia it's got three times. You've got the EU that
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  Speaker 9: has fifteen times the US quota. Now how did that happen?
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: You'd have to ask my predecessors. But I mean so
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: when it comes to when it comes to these these
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: multilateral negotiations. They're problematic for for President Trump's mandate to
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: UH to put America first.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Drew Waller, I appreciate the quick glimpse into the complexity
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of the world. We're all focused in on the war
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: in Iran, but meanwhile America is battling for freedom of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the season, free competition everywhere. You've been on the front
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: line for a long time in both Trump administration. Thank
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you for doing that, and thank you for joining me today.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. I'm gonna switch from fishing, all right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go from fishing to basketball. Why because it's Monday.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: It's Monday, and we're waiting on the war tomorrow. So
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to Terry Pluto. Terry is the Dean
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of Sports Writers in Ohio, longtime friend, occasional guests on
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the program, longtime guests in front of the program talking
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: about the fact that the Cavs almost killed me last night,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: actually Friday night, they lost Game six against the Pistons
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and I thought there's no way they can
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: beat Detroit and Detroit, but they did. In fact, it
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't a beating the slaughterhouse. Sorry, Detroit I'm on in Detroit.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Sorry what happened? Not really, but now it's New York time.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And Jim Bly, if you're listening, Richard James Bly, the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers are coming to town. I'm sure you'll be sitting
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: courtside with Spike Lee and Ben Stiller and the Glitteraties.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But ruffins up, the Cavaliers are coming to town. AM
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: ninety seventy listeners, stay Tier Quarterback America. I'm Hugh's hew.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: As you know if you listen to the show for
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: twenty five years. I'm kind of a Cleveland sports nut, Browns, Guardians,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Calves in that order, in the Oho State University Buckeys
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: as well. But Browns, Guards, Cavs and the Calves have
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: really been with me, sort of the ghost since nineteen
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: when they got the Bill Fitzchiers. I saw them move
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to the Celtics and the Garden in nineteen seventy six
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and when Lebron was here it was
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: like cheating. It was a cheat code. Well, someone who's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: been at it longer than me is Terry Pluto, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: he makes a living doing that. He is the dean
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of sports writers in Northern Ohio. He's been covering the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Calves and the Browns and the Indians and the Guardians
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: forever because in my age, welcome Terry. I couldn't even
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: bring myself to turn the game on last night. I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: kept peeking at my phone after the Game six, thinking
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: they're gonna kill me, They're gonna get even when they
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: were up twenty points, I thought, killed me? Did you
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: have that worry?
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: Not too much in this game once it got going
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: watching it, But you know, going into that game, sure,
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: these guys are very capable.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a Game seven or that. But it's funny.
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: Before I left for Game six, now, the casts at
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: that point were up three games to two, best of
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: seven series.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Game six was at home, and.
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: So I said to I said to my wife, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: knowing these guys, they're gonna lose the home game then
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: have to go to Detroit and win that one. But
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: they've been doing everything the hard one And it was
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: kind of a throwaway comment, but it's sort of fit
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: what's going on this year, Donovan.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: You picked them in seven. I listened to Terry's talking
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: in the last You've called the last two series caves
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and seven. But we are on in New York right now,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we're on AM nine to seventy. The answer at this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: time exactly what do the Knicks fans have to worry
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: about with the Cavaliers come into town.
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, generally, if you're a Knicks fan, you just
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: think your team is perfectly positioned to take out Cleveland
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: in five or six games, because what Cleveland and Detroit
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: were just beating each other up in this emotionally physically
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: draining series. You know, you guys are watching tape and
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: eating out and practicing or whatever. But the one thing
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: that sometimes happens when a team doesn't play for several
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: days and the other team comes in and has to
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: play like forty eight hours later, is sometimes that visiting
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: team will steal a game. I remember seeing this happen
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: to the Cavs a.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Couple of times.
• 21:52
  Speaker 11: You know, they had all this time off between and
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: they just weren't ready to go. But in terms of
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: like who's got a better roster, New York is a
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: bit roster, But you know the Cavs they have Donovan Mitchell, who,
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: by the way, he is the seventh all time scorer
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: in NBA playoff history, averaging nearly twenty eight points a game.
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's he's a big time player. And they
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: have some some big guys in Jared Allen, Evan Mobley.
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: You know they have James Harden is a total enigma
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: of I mean, the guy has been in the NBA
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: for seventeen years, gone to the playoffs every single year,
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: and then has a.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: History of just horrible performances in big games.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: So I think that the Caves are very good, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: you know, I fear the Knicks for them. Nonetheless, this
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: was a big deal for the Cavs to get to
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: the conference finals or like the NBA Final Four, because
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: they hadn't done it since twenty eighteen. But as you mentioned,
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: it kind of was a cheat sheet when you had
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: Lebron James, right. I mean, at one point, Lebron James
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: took two teams to the finals for eight consecutive years.
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, that may be one of the greatest accompliments
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: accomplishments ever. But the last time the Cavs got to
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: the Final four without Lebron was nineteen ninety two.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Even Hugh wasn't born then, Oh.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know I was, because I was there. They went
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: when the Chones Hurt club in the seventies, they got
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they got close then, but you you're talking about the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Lenny Wilkins years with Brad Dougherty and Mark Price, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they were a fabulous club. I want to what I want.
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: And before that, I had to go back to your
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: point too, back to the middle seventies, that team you
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: talked about there. The Cavs came into being in nineteen seventies,
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: so they haven't been around around as long as the
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: next but they've been around a long time. They've won
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: one title in twenty sixteen with Lebron and uh, this
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: is other than Lebron was here. This is only the
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: second time they've been to the NBA Final Four.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Now, when I want to set up, we'll take a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: break here, Cherry, I'll come back. I'll give you the floor.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think I want to make sure he's the right term,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and I want to use the term nice. This is the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: good team. These are good guys. Everybody on this club,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: from Donovan Mitchell, Jared Allen, Evan Mobley, these are upstanding people.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You know, Sam Merrill is a Mormon missionary in Nicaragua.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Even the beard, though he is very driven by business consideration,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he's got a good off the court. They are good guys,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and there was this label attached to them and being soft.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: They got it him from the Knicks three years ago.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So we're coming back from break and I want you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to talk about how tough this team is because I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: think to win two game seven's on the road New York.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Listen to me, Am nine seventy the answer. We're coming
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for you. I'm just saying that we, being Cavaliers fans,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: we're proud of our club. I'll be right back with
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Terry Pluto to stay this Welcome back in America. I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: back with Terry Pluto, author of thirty something books over
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: at Terrypluto dot com, including a lot of wonderful basketball books.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm always surprised when he tells David Campbell's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: colleague on the Terry's Talking podcast, he's a basketball guy first,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a basketball guy last, Terry, because I don't understand
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the game. I watched the game. I don't understand the game.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I cheer for the Cavs, but they're doing stuff I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: don't understand. Why did you become a basket You started
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: out with Earl Weaver and the Oriel. How did you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: become a basketball guy.
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: Actually kind of flipsed his basketball and baseball. My father
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: took me to both. That's why he was He played
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: basketball and baseball. He played everything at Benedicta in high
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: school in Cleveland. But the things that we want to
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: games were to watch the tribe and to watch when
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: the Calves came into existence in nineteen seventies.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So that was the father son thing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: And now when you talk about understanding the NBA, I
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: struggle even to this day to before you understand what
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: goes on in a football game. And I'm talking on
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: a serious level, like you know, the coaches doing that,
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: whereas I feel real comfortable in the other two areas.
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: But I think a lot of times you end up
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: with whatever sport that somebody in your family sticks you with.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's why I went to every Brown's game
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: at home growing up from nineteen sixty five. I know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the Browns inside out, not like a coach, but I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: know it's going on. Now, tell me about tell New
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: York New Yorkers that are listening about this club and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: why they're such good guys.
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: Well, I think, first of all, they're drama free, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: that is yes, a really. You know, that's rare in
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: the NBA. I'm not saying there. You know, the Knicks
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: haven't had too much drama of wait, but in the
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: past they did.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: But the Cats.
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: Generally, uh with with with lebron you get kind of drama,
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: but you don't get bad drafted.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Some guy got, you know, busted at four in the morning. Drama.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: But with Lebrono as always, he'll leave, he'll stay his contract.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: But these guys, they really are They are really good guys.
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying everybody belongs in a church window, but
• 26:59
  Speaker 11: I am saying that. I mean, I know Kenny Atkinson
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: very well. I had a relationship with JB. Bickerstaff. They
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: talk about coaching these guys. They said, you know, it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: really it's never a pleasure because you feel all the
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: pressure just in the NBA.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But you feel like you've got guys that will do
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: what you say.
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: If you can make yourself clear and sound like you
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: know what you're doing, and that's a that's a big thing. Remember,
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: the NBA is the league where the average coach last
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: three years. Or how about this one. You When the
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: Calves play the Knicks, they'll face Mike Brown coaching the
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: next an excellent coach. He's been fired twice by the Calves,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: how about that?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and by the Lakers and by the Kings.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Mike Brown is a fine He's a good guy too
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in a league with a lot of reprobates. Cleveland is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that good people? The final thing I want to emphasize
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: New York City. Eight million people Cleveland, not eight million
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: people New York City. Jared Allen unfortunately said the lights
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: were too bright. But it is Madison Square Garden, Rocket
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Arena's Rockets. But it's not that they're different cultures entirely.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Does that reflect in the.
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: Team perhaps, I mean, I'll say this, Tim Thibodeau really
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: did bring the Knicks.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Out of the wilderness and did it, you know, terrific.
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: Joff, Well, the guy finally takes him to the conference
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: finals for the first time in twelve thousand years, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: they fire him. I guess that's a New York thing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: But in terms of like you mentioned, Jared all in
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: the bright lights, that happened in twenty three when the
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: Cats got knocked out in the playoffs and Jared sort
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: of actually kind of spoke for the heart about his
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: own performance said, you know sometimes the lights were too bright.
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: Well that got pinned on him and stuck, almost like
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: you get gum on the bottom of your shoe. No
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: matter what you do, you're there. So every time he
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: had a bad game in the playoffs, well, whites are
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: too bright for jaredt hey the whole teams that way. Well,
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: as you mentioned, Jared had two big game sevens, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: in fact, in those two games he's averaged like twenty
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: two points and twelve rebounds and helped the Cavs get
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: to this point. And I don't think the lights are
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: going to be the problem. If the Cavs end up
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: losing to the Knicks, it's probably going to be the
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: Knicks talent. But this team is a lot more mature
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: than that team that got knocked out in twenty three,
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: And I just it could be a fun series. By
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: the way, Mike Brown, here's gonna tell you about the
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: kind of guy Mike Brown was. When after he got
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: fired the first time by the Cavs, he volunteered at
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: Saint Edwards High School, which is in suburban Cleveland, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: he was helping them coach the JV football team. He
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: kind of grew up as a football guy and had
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: some friend there and we had a picture of him
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: one time doing a story. He's out there like with
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: toddles and water bottles, you know, doing that. He was coaching,
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: but he's also like serving as the water boy and
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: he's totally unpretentious. He and Kenny Atkinson, the Calf's coach,
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: of close friends. Kenny grew up in Long Island in
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: New York. And of course Donovan Mitchell, the Calf star,
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: He's from New York.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Donovan's father works in the front office for the Mets.
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So those two are very excited about, you know, this
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: series being in New York and we'll see what happens.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I can't wait for Terry's talking tomorrow. So
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I want a little preview and no one who doesn't
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: listen to this show in Cleveland, we'll hear it before
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the podcast drop. What's your prediction gonna be for this series,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: because you did call it correctly Cavs and seven in
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the last two.
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm probably gonna go with the Nixon sticks. I'd
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: like to go otherwise. But in fact, we are going
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: to hold a podcast till Wednesday. You're gonna do it
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: after the.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Oh you are, Oh you're wait for the first game. Okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this. I thought you
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: were gonna say that. I think this club could surprise.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I think they're elevating. Last night was amazing. So do
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you do you have a little bit of hope? Is
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that what's gonna kill us? A little bit of opener?
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: Sure, any time you say series is going to go
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: six games, then it's like and the other thing that happens.
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: Now when you get this deep in the playoffs, you
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: never know who's going to below an achilles full of hamstring,
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: et cetera. I mean a lot of these different playoff
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: series are settled with an injury at the wrong time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: Indiana was all set to win the title last year
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: when Tyrese Halibert and their star point guard heard his
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: his calf muscle in game six. He tried to play
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: on it in game seventy, blew it and he's out.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So my last question, Terry, are you writing a book
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: about this club? Because I think it's a very interesting
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: collection of people, very interesting people. We have one minute, not.
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: As of now, right now, who knows, But if they
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: happen to get to the finals, you know, I could
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: always change.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: One thing about being in daily journalism.
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: You learn out of pivot quickly and grab onto the
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: hottest story you could find.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Well. Terry Pluto, follow him Terry Pluto on x. His
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: books are all available, including Stripe Balls, which is Chuck
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Todd's favorite sports book on basketball. Over at Terry Pluto
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: dot com. In his podcast with David Campbell's called Terry's Talking,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I guess I have to wait till Wednesday, Rats, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he'll be suffering like I will be suffering watching the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Cavs on Tuesday night. That ends our sports segments for today.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Back to the news Warner, back America. There is a
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: wildfire in Seamy Valley near the Reagan Ranch which is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: spreading rapidly. It's named the Sandy Fire. I will keep
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you up to speed on that. They had to call
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it the Red Sox fire because they're on fire too.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm joined now by Red Sox fans Senator Tom Cotton.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: What ant Centator Shauld we call it the Red Sox Fire.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Given what's going on in Boston.
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: It's just setting up to you for a wonderful return.
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: But you know, it's kind of that way across the
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: entire American League gest. I know you're Indians just scrap
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: to get over five hundred and maybe one of three
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: or four teams.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: We are in first place in Cleveland, We're in first
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: place and we just crushed crushed the Reds this weekend. Center.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Let's let's go to what a meat. Segal of Channel
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: twelve in Israel just posted Trump quote, we plan to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: strike Iran tomorrow, but we are delaying it at the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: request of Cutter, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates due to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: serious negotiations currently taking place. Serious negotiations having to do
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: with anything with Iran is really a misnomber, isn't it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: They're not serious. They're nuts, no, Hugh.
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: And they've they've never been serious about negotiations at any point.
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: They frequently almost always use negotiations as a delaying and
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: temporizing tactic, thinking they can tap along Americans in the
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: West and continue to advance, whether it's on their nuclear
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: front or the missile front or supporting terrorism. But I
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: think they've learned the hard way twice with Donald Trump
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: that he doesn't let people tap him along, certainly doesn't
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: continue negotiations on farce proposals like came back with last week, demanding,
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: among other things, reparations for the damage we had caused.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to ask Dwayne or Adam or Harley
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to find President Obama to sit down with Stephen Colbert
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: while I'm talking to you. But in terms of negotiating
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: with them right now, do you think we have a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: good fix on who is actually in control of the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: IRGC now?
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Hugh, I think we do. But I think the
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: jockeying that's obviously part of any government is even more
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: severe now inside of Roan than it was before the
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: war started. The male deceased Supreme Leader permitted that jocking
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: to happen, but always had the stature to impose a
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  Speaker 12: final decision. His son, whom he didn't want to be
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: his successor, clearly does not have that stature and authority
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: inside the regime. And therefore it's not clear that if
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: one hand promises the other thing one thing, the other
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: hand can deliver that same So I want.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: To play for you now, President Obama sitting down last
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: week with Stephen Colbert. Why a failed president chose it
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: failed late night talk co host to do this, I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: don't know. But here he is talking about the failed JCPOA.
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: We pulled it off without firing a missile. We got
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: ninety seven percent of their enriched uranium up. They were
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: able to maintain a modest civilian nuclear program for energy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And so you think it was working, well, it's not.
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: Only did I think it was working, even Israeli intelligence
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: thought it was working. Even our intelligence services thought it
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: was working. So there's no dispute that it worked.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And with centat Cotton, I want to stop there because
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: when someone embeds an obvious lie in a response, it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: good to stop. When he says there's no dispute that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it worked, that's an obvious lie because you and I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: are among about a million people who disputed that it worked.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But you're the expert. Did it work?
• 36:09
  Speaker 13: Hugh?
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: I want to answer that from a slightly different perspective
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: than you have, and I want to say that I
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: agree with Barack Obama is nuclear deal was working exactly
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: as he planned it to work. It was elevating Iran,
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: it was making Iran stronger, it was gradually enriching Iran,
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: and it was designed to make Iran the dominant regional
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: power so the United States would no longer have to
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: worry about the Middle East, so we could just let
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: Israel and air nations balance off against each other, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: as Barack Obama sees it, stop being the aggressor, stop
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: threatening Iran, to pull in our horns and stick her
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: head in the sand, and act like a normal nation
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: that's not always so belligerent to those poor Iatolas. So
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: in that regard, Hugh, yes, the nuclear deal was working
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: exactly as it was planned by Barack Obama. Well, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: yield America was to blame.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I yield to you that that's a good debater's point,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but when he embedded within it, there's no dispute about it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I just think it's crazy to say that on television.
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: From the standpoint from the standpoint of a normal Arkansas
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: who's worried about the Iyatolas getting nuclear weapons and missiles
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: that could blow us off or blow up our friends
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: and our troops in the region. And know, of course
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: that deal was not working. So I can't remember all
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: the various timelines and sunsets had had on it, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: suffice it to say, if we had stayed in that deal,
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: if President Trump hadn't withdrawn from it in his first term,
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: the constraints of that deal would almost all be gone
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: on finance on you have a vast nuclear infrastructure in
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: which could grace towards a nuclear breakout, and there were.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: No Now I'd like to turn finally to the ruins
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of the New York Time. You threw the first wrecking
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: ball into with your op ed in twenty twenty, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that destroyed half the building. The rest of the building
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: came down last week. By building, I mean the analogy
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  Speaker 1: to a place where serious work is done with the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: op ed by Nicholas Christoff on dog Ray, I don't
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: know if you even read it. Do you have any
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: comment on what's happened over there? Because they do have
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: fourteen million subscribers. People like puzzles, they like recipes, they
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: like travel news. But boyle boy, are they a wreck?
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Hugh, I would suggest that your listeners go look
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: at the bablon Bee's much better story that the reports
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: that Israel were training dogs to take over not to
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: Tomy Plaza at still one hundred and forty million dollars
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: in bear minds, because that's about as legitimate incredible as
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: the New York Times story. But it is a sad
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: commentary on mister Kristoff, who I know has been on
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: your show before, and the editors and owners of the
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: New York Times that they would publish such nonsense.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a mind virus. And I don't know where
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I said smatism comes from. Sometimes it starts in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: heart and it moves up to the brain and it
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: captures the brain and you say stupid things. But sometimes
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it starts in the brain as anti Israel propaganda goes
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to the heart and becomes anti Semitism. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: which way it worked. But your your Senate's not free
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  Speaker 1: of this. And grand Platner and others lsied in Michigan.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: They want to join and make the Senate crazy. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, don't your colleagues across the aisle and there
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  Speaker 1: are quieter moments with you in the cloakroom, say this
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  Speaker 1: place is going to change a lot if Lsied and
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  Speaker 1: Grand Platners show up here.
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: Well, we're going to make sure that Vane show up there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: We're going to reelect Susan Collins, who's been a champion
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: for Mainers for decades, and we're going to like Mike
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: Rogers in Michigan. Unfortunately, this is now the mainstream of
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: the Democratic Party. This is not a fringe of their
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: party anymore. This is the absolute mainstream because what their
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: voters are increasingly demanding, and they're elected politicians espouse. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. Selena Zeito is the President's favorite journalist,
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  Speaker 1: to ask you, what is Governor Josh Shapiro doing. By
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the way, were your ears burning? Last week? I was
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: talking about you with Senator McCormick when we had breakfast.
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: Oh no, did you say anything nice?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we were talking about the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: two share a unique experience of having been next to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the President when he was shot in Butler. There aren't
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: Like that, No, and she, I mean the President had
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: called him to go up on this stage, and he
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: was so like behind a bunch of people that he's like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: I'll forget to come up later.
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: Thank god he did well.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I'm because I think that the President will always take
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: calls from him and from you and from anyone else
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: who was there when someone shot him, because it's a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: unique experience for him. What I wanted to ask you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: about is your governor who's out with a guy named
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Bob Brooks talking about a progressive part What is that?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: What is Josh Shapiro, mister Senter left doing with the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Workers United Party?
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: I have no idea. When I saw that today, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: was pretty stunned because that Worker Party's Worker United Parties,
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: whatever they call themselves, they're pretty far left and they
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: have been behind like I feel like Larry Krasner is
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: a is a household name of Philadelphia District attorney, member
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: of the squad. You know, they've been behind this those
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: successful elections in the state, and they've also been behind
• 43:09
  Speaker 14: some shenanigans and local races in Alleghany County where they
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: won the only Republican at large seat in County Council
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: by pretending to be independent. Meanwhile there was left of
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: the Republican You know, it's crazy, and that he made
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: that decision I find incredibly and curious. But you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: Josha Piro is very talented.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: He's also.
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: Wants to be very successful, and he was very aggressive
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: and wanting to win back three seats for the Democrats
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: in the state. He wants to win the State House
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: and he wants to win the state Senate. He wants
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: full control so that his last four years or if
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: he runs for president, his last two years, he gets
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: everything that he wants legislatively. I never think that's good
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: for anybody. I don't think you should. I think there
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: should be tension. I think there should be accountability. And
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: we see the reason why that's not good in cities
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: across the country where Democrats have controlled to see council,
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: County Council, the mayor's office, and when you have one
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: rule party, that's when you get yourself in trouble.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Now, I also want to thank you because you've set
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: me up to correct my friend Philip Wegman on Special
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Report when he pointed out that the Republicans had started
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the redistricting wars in Texas. Now I quoted the great
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Selena Zido and say, oh, really, actually, that's the Philadelphia
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court in twenty eighteen. Would you get people the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: background on that.
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  Speaker 14: So in twenty eighteen, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which is
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: Democrat majority, threw out existing congressional districts, one that had
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: been in place for eight years, and said, these are
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: these favorite Republicans too much. We're going to redraw them.
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: And they did, and they drew. They then selves drew
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: the map. They drew the map to favor Democrats, They
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: drew some people out of their own districts, and finished
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: the map by the end of February, and the primary
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: was in May, giving candidates only a handful of weeks
• 45:38
  Speaker 14: to get signatures, get battle it access and for people
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: to figure out, you know, who to vote for. A
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: lot of people was showed up to vote and they
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: were in a completely different district and then they were
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: just weeks earlier.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: The relevance of that, and of course the Republicans appealed
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: that action by the Pennsylvania Spring Court, the United State
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and the United States Supreme Court said, not
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: our problem, it's up to the state, and Democrats were happy.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: That's what happened last week when the United States Supreme
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Court said the Virginia Democrats, not our problem, it's up
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to the state, and the Democrats were all upset. And
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you said, and you reminded people, well, that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did eight years ago. So good on
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you for having memory, Selena, because Virginia was complaining. The
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Democrats in Virginia bunch of babies, and they weren't aware
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of what the Democrats in Philadelphia had done on the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Okay, last question. The Mayor of Philadelphia, Dave
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: McCormick had very high praise for the Mayor of Philadelphia.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Have you sat down with the Mayor of Philadelphia.
• 46:45
  Speaker 14: I have not sat down with her, but I know
• 46:48
  Speaker 14: that she's working hard. Philadelphia politics is, as you expect,
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: incredibly volatile territorial parochial run by a lot of different
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: competing factions. And and she, you know, she does a
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: pretty good job. She's pretty nimble. The Unions, the SEI unions,
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: the Progressive she's she does a pretty job. And she's
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: pretty nimble and navigating them, and she's working really hard
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: to try to clean up the streets of Philly.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Well, she's a law and order mayor, which I didn't know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: which is good.
• 47:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah, she's definitely a law and order mayor and and
• 47:35
  Speaker 14: that's been a priority of hers.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: And she's worked.
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: With the with the police there, you know, very different
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: than Krasner, very different than the county elected sheriff, who
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: is as left as you can get. And so she
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: definitely has their their work cut out. She has her
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: work cutout for I have to say this though, about Virginia.
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: Democrats knew exactly that that was going to happen. That
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: was black letter law. Okay, that was going to happen.
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: They knew it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: They were just hoping that the Mark Warner appointed judge
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: was going to side on their side because you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: he's part of the team.
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  Speaker 10: And it didn't happen.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: He followed the.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Law, and the Virginia Spreme Court had integrity, unlike the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh or the Pennsylvania Spreme Court. Pennsylvania. I'm good to see. So, uh,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: it's important, allergies.
• 48:36
  Speaker 14: David West has left the Democratic Party and he's on
• 48:40
  Speaker 14: the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. You wet Son.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: We have semetism.
• 48:47
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• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm to hear it. You may have noticed over the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: last couple of months, I've been interviewing a lot of
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: people who have done work or books or articles on
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: our nation's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. I'm so pleased
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to welcome back in that vein doctor Peter Lilback, who
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: was for twenty years the president of Westminster Theological Seminary,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: an expert on our nation's first president, the indispensable man,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: George Washington. He wrote this book, Sacred Fire, which I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: am pleased to have honored a little bit of a
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: preface for it's a second edition because the first one
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: was a massive My goodness, doctor, a littleback. How big
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: was the first one that you wrote?
• 49:40
  Speaker 15: It was twelve hundred pages, and I told people that
• 49:43
  Speaker 15: you have to use two hands or you might get
• 49:46
  Speaker 15: rotator cuff injury. But people said it made a great doorstop.
• 49:49
  Speaker 15: But it was hard to read, so they said, can
• 49:51
  Speaker 15: you get an abridged version done. So it's finally here.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's finally here. It is perfectly timed. And I
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: thank you for it because I teach con law, and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: every year a bunch of kids in the class the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: will say the Framers, and they'll cite Jefferson's letter to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the Danbury Baptist. The Framers weren't religious, and they'll see
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Tom Payne as an atheist that said and said, yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: but Washington is. And I know that because of doctor Lowback.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: And I can quote a bunch, but let's start with
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: what you think is the iss positive evidence of George
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Washington's belief as a Christian theist, meaning he wasn't a watchmaker,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: wound up the university, let it run. He has a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: great pedigree as a mainstream believing Christian at the time
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: he led the troops and won our freedom.
• 50:41
  Speaker 15: Well, thanks so much you for this privilege to be
• 50:43
  Speaker 15: on your show. I listened to you regularly, so I
• 50:46
  Speaker 15: counted a double honor. The first thing I would say
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: is that I ask anybody who tells me that George
• 50:52
  Speaker 15: Washington is a deist, have they ever read a statement
• 50:55
  Speaker 15: from Washington that says that?
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: And then they'll quote everybody else.
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: And I say, you know, but I've read Washington's letters
• 51:02
  Speaker 15: for twenty years now, and there's never once does he
• 51:04
  Speaker 15: ever claim to be a deist. Not once, but multiple
• 51:08
  Speaker 15: times he calls himself a Christian. Perhaps the most extraordinary
• 51:13
  Speaker 15: moment is at Valley Forge, when he's trying to keep
• 51:16
  Speaker 15: a ragtag army together, and he says, while you're doing
• 51:19
  Speaker 15: the most glorious work as a patriot, make sure you
• 51:23
  Speaker 15: add the more even glorious principle of being a Christian.
• 51:28
  Speaker 15: And while he was there, he was visited by one
• 51:31
  Speaker 15: of his general's fathers, who is a Lutheran missionary from
• 51:35
  Speaker 15: Germany to America, who wrote back in his ministerial report
• 51:38
  Speaker 15: and said, I was in Washington's camp and this man
• 51:41
  Speaker 15: believes in his Redeemer.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: He's not a man of the world. He's a man
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: that is following God.
• 51:47
  Speaker 15: And as a result, I'm convinced as I've heard him
• 51:50
  Speaker 15: telling the men, stop swearing, stop cursing. How do you
• 51:54
  Speaker 15: expect honor on your arms if you are deprecating the
• 51:58
  Speaker 15: God of Providence? And so he said, this man has
• 52:02
  Speaker 15: been spared by the Almighty God from many challenges because
• 52:06
  Speaker 15: of his deep faith in the Lord, and so I
• 52:08
  Speaker 15: just simply conclude.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Nodus believes in Providence.
• 52:12
  Speaker 15: The favorite theological word of Washington is providence. He uses
• 52:16
  Speaker 15: it over two hundred and seventy times. And he's not
• 52:19
  Speaker 15: referring to Providence Rhode Island. He's talking about God's action
• 52:22
  Speaker 15: and history.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: When we talk about providence. That's very interesting, doctor, I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: hadn't realized or remembered it. It was up over two
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: urned and fifty times to the use providence. Did all
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the framers use providence? Was that in general circulation at
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the time as being the way to say I am
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a Christian.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: So two things that are important there.
• 52:40
  Speaker 15: Number one, not all of the people that were in
• 52:43
  Speaker 15: the founding era would use the word providence. You mentioned
• 52:46
  Speaker 15: Thomas Paine, when he writes The Age of Reason, he
• 52:50
  Speaker 15: will say that one of the mythologies of Christianity is providence,
• 52:54
  Speaker 15: and he rejects at whole scale. Now he moved as
• 52:57
  Speaker 15: the French Revolution had its impact and is thinking French
• 53:01
  Speaker 15: deism became part of his view. Other people would in
• 53:05
  Speaker 15: fact use the word providence. They would use it as
• 53:07
  Speaker 15: a synonym for God somehow involvement in history, maybe a
• 53:11
  Speaker 15: euphemism for God. But what makes it unique in Washington
• 53:16
  Speaker 15: is that he will sometimes use the first personal singular
• 53:21
  Speaker 15: pronoun his children, the Providence's children, his care for his people,
• 53:27
  Speaker 15: and Providence. So it's a personal reality for him. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 15: so if you only have the word Providence, you might
• 53:34
  Speaker 15: be able to say, well, Washington is something of what
• 53:37
  Speaker 15: we might call a softiest. Maybe he lets Providence slip
• 53:40
  Speaker 15: in there. But you know what, he doesn't just use
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  Speaker 15: that word. He will actually talk about the divine author
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  Speaker 15: of our blessed religion.
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  Speaker 4: No deist would ever say that.
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  Speaker 15: Further, he talks about the blessed religion revealed in the
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  Speaker 15: Word of God. No deist would ever talk about God
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  Speaker 15: giving us his word. So we see that Washington understands
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  Speaker 15: Providence in the context of the Bible being God's word
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  Speaker 15: and of Christ being divine, and therefore we cannot truncate
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  Speaker 15: his view into some kind of a minimalist view of
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  Speaker 15: some deity out there that's really generally uninvolved in the
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  Speaker 1: that is back with me, Doctor, I wanted to point
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  Speaker 1: July second, seventeen seventy six. The George Washington is with
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  Speaker 1: his troops in the field, and he calls on them to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, rise up and get going. The fate of
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  Speaker 1: unborn millions will now depend, under God on the courage
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  Speaker 1: the goodness and the cod and the aid of the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Being, in whose hands victory is to animate and
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  Speaker 1: encourage it. That had not IDAs, That is the person
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  Speaker 1: who believes that God is acting in history.
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  Speaker 4: Is it not? That that's a telling statement.
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  Speaker 15: Right from the very beginning of the American Revolution, he's saying,
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  Speaker 15: if we're going to win this war, it's going to
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  Speaker 15: take something more than our ragtag army. We're going to
• 57:08
  Speaker 15: need the help of God himself, who's active in history.
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  Speaker 15: That is not a statement of deism. That's a statement
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  Speaker 15: of someone who believes that God is personal, that he
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  Speaker 15: cares about the events of history, and that prayer and
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  Speaker 15: faithful obedience and faith in his sovereignty is what will
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  Speaker 15: make a difference in the outcome of the battles.
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  Speaker 1: Now deep into sacred fire. At page one seventy seven
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  Speaker 1: you also alerted me it's something I did not know.
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  Speaker 1: I think almost everyone who knows a little bit about
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: American history knows about his letter of the Hebrew Congregation
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: in Newport, where he welcomes the Jews of Newport to
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: sit under their tree and enjoy their own bit of freedom.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: But on page one seventy seven you write that he
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: sent thirty some addresses received and answered from ecumenical groups
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and individual nominominations, including Catholic, called Lutheran, German Reform, dut Reform, Presbyterian, Congregational, Moravian, Methodist, Baptist, Quaker, Masonic, Universalists, Jewish,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and Swedenborgian, one with which I was not familiar. So
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: he was clearly intent on being a pluralist. But it
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: was also clearly intent on encouraging faith. Is that a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: fair statement, doctor Lilbeck.
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  Speaker 4: That's a fabulous statement. It's clear.
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  Speaker 15: In one of his other writings he said, if I
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  Speaker 15: thought anything I had done in this advancing the Constitution
• 58:31
  Speaker 15: would take away anyone's religious liberty, I would never have
• 58:35
  Speaker 15: signed it. He was absolutely convinced that conscience is the
• 58:39
  Speaker 15: great gift of God and it must be protected. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 15: yet he also will say in some of his other
• 58:44
  Speaker 15: writings that as the first president under the Constitution, everything
• 58:50
  Speaker 15: I do will set a precedent for everyone who follows me.
• 58:55
  Speaker 15: And so he was conscious that he, on the one hand,
• 58:58
  Speaker 15: wanted to protect the religious liberties of the president himself,
• 59:03
  Speaker 15: and so he was authentically who he was.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: But at the same time.
• 59:07
  Speaker 15: He recognized that his freedom did it not in any
• 59:10
  Speaker 15: way truncate or diminish the liberty of others conscience. And
• 59:15
  Speaker 15: so he was a full adherent of free exercise and
• 59:19
  Speaker 15: non establishment. He was living out, if you will, the
• 59:22
  Speaker 15: first clauses of the First Amendment.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Now, my own theory, which you have disposed of very carefully,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: is that a lot of people get the DS. So
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: he's not a believer from the fact that he was
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a Mason, and he has got this enormous statue in
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the Masonic call in Alexander, Virginia. And people think Masons
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: are anti religion, What exactly does it mean that he's
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: a Mason at the same time that he's an episcopalian investryman.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So the first.
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  Speaker 15: Thing we need to realize is that if you go
• 59:53
  Speaker 15: to one of the earlier Masonic encyclopedias, they will have
• 59:57
  Speaker 15: an entry and say the Masonic Order is a mixed order.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: While many of the Masons are very anti.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 15: Religion, there are some that call themselves Christian Masons, and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 15: as a result of that, Christianity is part of their movement.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 15: And so the nefarious group of the Illuminati. Those are
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 15: words right out of one of Washington's letters. He says
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 15: I've had no exposure to them at all. I have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 15: hardly been involved in the Masonic Order for the last
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 15: many years. But the Masonic movement I have, as he
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 15: understands it, it was something that was faith friendly and that
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 15: was consistent with American liberty. And so while we don't
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 15: have time to do it, Washington, believe it or not,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 15: was the sermon collector. And when you go to the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 15: Boston Athenaeum, where his sermons have been kept through all
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 15: these years that have been bound together by Washington, he
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 15: has a whole section called Masonic sermons. These were by
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 15: the great preachers of his day that were welcomed into
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 15: the Masonic halls to preach the Gospel. And when you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: go through them, they are gospel rich statements in which
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 15: they make statements like this, being a member of this
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 15: Masonic fraternity says you may not be. And I always
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 15: say when I say this quote, a stupid atheist or
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 15: deist to be a member. So they were anti deist
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 15: Masonic groups. Well I didn't say that, but that's what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 15: Washington's sermons said. And washington sermons whill include the fact
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 15: because you've worn a Masonic apron, don't think it's going
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 15: to get you into heaven, you must be clothed with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 15: the righteousness of Christ received by faith.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: That's a sermon right out of his library.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So doctor I wanted to finish this fight. You devoted
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of your life very successfully to Westminster Theological Seminary.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: In fact, the fetching mississ Hewitt and I were treated
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to a wonderful sermon this weekend by a Westminster grad
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: of about fifty years Lord, yeah, and they're everywhere, and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: so it continues to do that. Why did you pick
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: up this particular passion that led to Sacred Fire one
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and now Sacred Fire which is available again in Amazon.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: And doctor Lilback's last name is Lback? Where did you
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: get bitch? You know?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 15: It happened in my very first year of pastoral ministry,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 15: I believe it or not. There was a federal law
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 15: calling for the Year of the Bible in America. It
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 15: was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, and I thought, wow,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 15: that's something we should celebrate.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: As a local Presbyterian church.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 15: We love the Bible. Every Sunday's the Year of the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 15: Bible at our church. And lo and behold, the ACLU
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 15: came to town. And they sued the local school district
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 15: because they were giving out children's Bible story books. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 15: I wrote a letter to the editor, thinking it was
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 15: utterly foolish in such a year that free giveaways about
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 15: the Bible would be attacked legally. Well, I got shot
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 15: at the next week by the ACLU and their critique
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 15: of my letter to the editor, and I said, well,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 15: maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a historian. I better go back and read. So
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: I went to the local Lincoln University library.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 15: I got a book by Paul Bowler, who became my
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 15: great foil. So I conclude this long story by saying this.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 15: He said Washington was a dist he never used the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 15: Bible except in whimsy. He obviously didn't read it. Halfway
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 15: through the book, I suddenly said, Paul Boehler's never read
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 15: the Bible because every other quote is filled with Biblical images.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 15: And so twenty plus years ago, I said, someone needs
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 15: to answer this award winning book by a presidential historian
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 15: from SMU, and that became my hobby instead of my
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 15: golf game. That was writing and researching about George Washington.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it produced Sacred Fire. George Washington, Sacred Fire. It's
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• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: judarred and fiftieth birthday because he is the indispensable man
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: and he had an indispensable fulief in God, Doctor Peter,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: doctor Peter Lowback, thank you so much for being with me.
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  Speaker 1: Go Go anywhere, America, Bobby Right,