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From Poetic Terms to Piezoelectrics #0052 · Whereabouts Tales | Stories of Belonging and Immigrant Experiences

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  Hey everyone, and welcome back Today.
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  We don't have your typical whereabouts stills episode.
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  Today I'm sticking down with Gregory Dietzia, Co founder of
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  Cosmos University. It is the third session that I'm
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  recording with Greg and I have to say that we have a special
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  talent into the in deep rabbit holes.
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  Today we're exploring the fascinating overlap between
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  ancient magic and verifiable science, the science behind
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  mystical stones and plants. The Surprising history of a
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  certain vampire Repellent will then dive head first into the
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  Book of Enoch, a text that challenges everything we thought
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  we knew about history and prophecy.
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  Crack church mind blowing insights from Anox prophecies
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  with shocking historic alignments to the unexpected
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  dangers of something as fundamental as writing.
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  In a world drowning in a fleeting information, we ask, is
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  crucial ancient wisdom being lost?
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  And what happens when modern text starts to unlock the very
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  magic of human manipulability? This conversation is packed so
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  cleaning because you won't want to miss it.
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  I'm Paul and this is whereabouts stills.
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  Enjoy. Hi Greg, for the third iteration
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  of this, I hope you I hope you're enjoying as much as I do
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  enjoy it. Oh, absolutely.
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  And I have a secret. I have a secret wish in the back
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  of my head that we don't get to finish it today.
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  So we this is our third time. We might as well go for a half
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  dozen, I think. Exactly.
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  I think as well, Greg, I think for the context, nobody, we
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  don't actually need the formal introduction that we had before.
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  But I would just say that it's Gregory Dietzia, the Co founder
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  of the Cosmos University. And I think what we talked last
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  time a bit was what was the moment in which you said, I
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  think there is a big gap here and I want to I want to fill in
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  that gap. Is there something that you can
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  pinpoint in your memory? Like you said, it was a moment
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  or it was a sum of things that gathered up that sum up.
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  Well, I've always like always been interested in the past and,
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  and historical stuff, especially archaeology and especially
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  things that are sort of alternative archaeology.
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  So that's been around forever in my mind, but we didn't start the
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  company forever ago. And when we started it, it had
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  absolutely nothing to do with archaeology.
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  It was more just looking at, I guess a few, I would almost say
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  like modern technologies gap between what would be
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  considered. I mean, there's a lot of
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  different, there's a lot of ground to cover here.
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  I'm looking at my partner. There's a lot of ground to
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  cover. We talked about the gaps between
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  kind of the modern mindset or the, the zeitgeist that what
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  people think and what's verifiable by science.
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  And it started kind of looking at like ESP and things like
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  like, I don't know, I wear a bunch of rings and all of these
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  stones have like legends associated with them.
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  And all of the metals have legends associated with them.
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  Like silver is a feminine metal that represents the moon.
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  And you're like, what does that even mean?
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  Where does that come from? And like, what does it mean?
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  Because, because I mean, it metal does do stuff.
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  Metal, you know, the metals are a bit more exciting than a pile
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  of dirt. And it's more exciting than clay
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  and more exciting than even like wood from a, from a, from a
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  physical perspective, physics perspective.
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  But it, it, yeah, it's kind of like we we look at those things
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  and, and it was more coming out of it from the spiritual
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  community. And, you know, I don't know if
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  if you're immune to it or your audience is immune to this.
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  But there's been like a bombardment with social media of
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  people just going out there and saying things like they'll just,
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  they'll just post an image and it'll be like, you know, you've
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  got gold and it means this and silver means this and Ruby means
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  this. And if you need to block a
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  psychic attack, use tectite. And if you need to amplify your
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  psychic abilities, rose quartz. And then like, so we went off
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  trying to, you know, where does that come from?
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  Is there any quantitative basis for it?
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  Because belief is really powerful at the end of the day.
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  But people do claim to have these effects.
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  That's why they post this stuff. That's why they agree with it.
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  And, you know, it goes further into plants and all these kind
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  of things too. So it's really this large gap of
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  like somebody at a spiritual store telling you, you know, you
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  got a problem with your job, go grab this thing and it should
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  work. And being like, well, how is
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  that a prescription? That makes sense.
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  Yeah, you know, it is. And I think what we found was
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  that really the modern day is disconnected from the Informa,
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  the source information by all of like 100 to 200 years.
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  So if, if you were to go back, you know, to the 1700s, there
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  was more of a understanding that every object held some sort of
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  unidentified magical property, something that couldn't be
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  measured yet. Something that like, you know,
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  they didn't have a device that, that, that could even break out
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  chemicals inside a plant. You know, they couldn't see the
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  substructure of the crystals, you know, and, and metals, you
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  know, So it, it, it, I, I found it to be kind of interesting,
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  you know it. And so the further back you go,
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  the more you have like definitive, this is what this
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  does information like, like I wear a ring right here.
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  This is going to be, I'm sorry if your audience listens over
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  audio, but if you look over video, this ring I wear, it's
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  silver with brass and with a honk of an emerald on it.
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  And it's designed based on the Solomon's ring.
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  Like, so Solomon wore this a pretty much exact ring and from,
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  from like a, from a physical perspective, silver, a brass
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  and, and, and emerald. And he believed that that
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  combination of things was enough to mess with the divine, to mess
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  with the ether to, to make it so that if an entity was like
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  sitting across from you, like, like Solomon's whole claim to
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  fame is that there's, you know, he kind of like wrestled in
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  demons and fallen angels and like said, tell me stuff like he
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  put a put a bind on them and said, tell me the secrets.
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  And so this was the ring that he thought helped him do it.
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  So when you look into it, you go, well, what, what in the
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  world basis does that have? Again, like where is the
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  scientific basis? There's this big gap.
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  Well, silver, it will, it will pull whatever bioenergy you have
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  and, and do something with it. It's conductive.
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  It's electrically conductive. Your body makes electricity, so
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  a ring is something that could be powered by your own field.
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  And beyond that, the emerald and the brass, well, the brass and
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  the silver combination creates a a difference.
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  And when we talk about trying to move current, move electricity,
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  you need a difference. You correct.
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  You know, like a battery has two types of.
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  Potential difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  A potential difference. So you've got 222 things working
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  towards you. Now.
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  You've got conductive metals with a potential difference.
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  Then you've got a stone, an emerald, and the emerald itself,
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  it's got a crystal in structure. That crystal in structure can
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  sometimes exhibit something called a piezoelectric property.
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  And that piezoelectric property can convert sound or
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  electromagnetic waves to electricity, and it can do it in
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  the reverse. So if you add electricity to a
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  piezoelectric crystal, it will create electromagnetic waves.
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  And if you have no electricity, but it goes the absolute way.
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  So it can go both ways. So if you're wearing a ring and
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  your body is creating electricity, then you're
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  essentially broadcasting you've got a signal coming off you.
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  Oh, that's interesting. And you think they knew it on a
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  level back there, but they they couldn't explain it.
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  No, I think they, I think that they could explain it and I
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  think that they chose to explain it in poetic terms.
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  They because it it, you know, I could tell you exactly why the
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  piezoelectric property takes place.
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  Like we can go into that if we wanted to.
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  We could pull out, raise no point, right?
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  We could pull out and talk about crystalline substructures and
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  lattices and then things that you can see with your eye.
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  We could talk about chemical compositions which lead to that,
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  that effect taking place. Or we could just say that's a
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  magic stone and you know. That makes.
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  Sense right. So I, I, I think we, we, we,
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  that's what we looked at originally was just this, this
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  pile of stuff that people tell you works and, and trying to
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  like, believe them for a minute and say, why believe you?
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  Like, I, I definitely believe you want to plant the magical
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  plant side, But why would it be that stones have that too?
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  And, and their precious things and, and, and trying to unwrap
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  that was kind of like cosmos as a first.
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  That was our first challenge. So that's what we launched with.
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  We launched with like a big databank with over 1000 items in
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  it. That was that has we have most
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  crystals, metals, we have most plants.
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  And we didn't try to, you know, go much beyond going into, you
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  know, books on folklore, magic and, and other books to kind of
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  say like, what is what is the consensus right now on these
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  things? Like how many of these sources
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  say that a Ruby is a fire element or does a certain
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  magical thing? And, and, and sometimes you get
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  connections, you get like, you know, different sources saying,
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  you know, this is, this is where we, we, everybody agrees the
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  Ruby is like this. So going way back in time, even
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  like way way back. It it's interesting.
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  So you started basically to study the, let's say the, the
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  things which are explained as magical, but you you try to
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  start the scientific scientific base behind it.
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  It's funny that you say this, but I actually had a discussion
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  with someone yesterday regarding because I'm, I'm at the moment
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  in, in, in Romania and I'm originally from Transylvania.
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  Most probably, you know, you heard about Dracula like
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  everyone, which the Hollywood industry got it out from
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  Transylvania and move it to the US.
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  But one of the things that is in the folklore here is that when
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  you have garlic with you, you are rejecting the vampires.
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  Now I always ask myself, how do you come to this conclusion?
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  Like I, I, it's, it's. Isn't it?
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  That's kind of The thing is and and and that's get you're on
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  that you're on the right exactly you're on the right mindset.
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  This is the exact mindset of like, well, why, why, why do we
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  have that? And, and you wonder like with,
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  with stuff like garlic, because you know, you go there's,
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  there's a lot of stuff, weird stuff in garlic.
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  It's, you know, it's got a lot of weird properties and it has a
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  lot of weird, what are they called?
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  Whatever that part of a food is that's like the sub parts, you
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  know, the position of it at the bottom or at the chemicals that
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  kind of get derived out of garlic.
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  And you wonder, is there anything in there that's like
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  highly toxic to some things? I mean, honestly, garlic is
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  pretty toxic to us. It's not, yeah, it's it's not
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  something you can eat in a big ass quantity and expect to not
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  end it to the hospital, you know?
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  And it's hard to eat it in a raw form as well.
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  So I think the toxicity of garlic should be clear for
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  everyone now. I mean, it might.
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  Be that for something that's AI don't know it's a vampire or
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  whatever, maybe it's for something that has, you know,
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  like some unique set of genes. That's like the worst thing is
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  like chocolate and dogs, you know?
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  Correct. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff.
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  Yeah, Paul, that's the kind of stuff that got us really
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  interested in it. And we we've been trying to
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  figure out exactly how to go beyond our initial research
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  there. But we, we got kind of
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  distracted in the publishing, I guess, like publishing was more
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  fun, but we actually went out and acquired a bunch of gear to,
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  to start validating some, some of the, some of the stuff.
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  Because, you know, we, we have an AC voltage generator and
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  like, or there's like DC voltage, AC to DC voltage
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  generator that we can dial really specific voltages on.
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  We have an oscilloscope, you know, to see what is coming off
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  of a thing, like what signals come off of a thing.
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  We've got a bunch of handheld tools to see Biofield, you know,
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  and, and that stuff is like mind blowing because it's really
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  there. And, and, and a lot of people
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  will say, well, it's not there. You like pull a device out and
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  you're like, well, you tell me why it is that, you know, when
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  I, when I wave this around a human being, I see the numbers
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  go way up. And it's not measuring
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  temperature, it's measuring, you know, in the gigahertz range,
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  megahertz range, radio stuff. So, so I think we're trying,
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  we're still trying to get back to that stuff to figure out if
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  there is a big need for it. But as, as we went through it,
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  you know, we, we did these thousands of items probably, I
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  think our total databank count is over 100,000 kind of data
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  points lined up. My research partner, she went
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  out and started going like, what research has been done that
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  would even be around these things?
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  And we found that much, you know, like really way less than
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  you'd think. There's a couple of universities
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  here in the States that set up like paranormal research labs, I
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  guess you'd call them, but almost.
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  And this is this sounds so bad man.
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  What's that? The the thing that you call them
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  paranormal research lab. I mean I can understand the
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  logic behind it, but just calling them paranormal you just
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  make them sound like a hoax like you don't make.
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  Them Yeah, well, I think I think that's actually a chicken egg
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  problem. I think the paranormal is the
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  right way to say that stuff. And that's overtime like it gets
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  associated incorrectly in a sense.
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  Like it gets associated with people grabbing onto that word
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  and saying look, because this word exists.
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  Like why personal crazy beliefs are paranormal beliefs and now
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  they're true. So I think I think you get, does
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  that make sense? I know what you mean.
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  Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.
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  So you think actually they misused the word, but they word
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  actually makes sense in this in this combination of for it's the
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  right word. Paranormal beyond the normal.
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  Yeah, the Latin resolves, right. Like it's, it's something that's
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  outside of norm and we don't have see, see, the paranormal
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  study is never gonna. You can't really have science
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  live there. It it might visit.
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  Right. So it, it's like your paranormal
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  lab would say, there's a phenomenon that we're trying to,
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  to, to move more towards an effect, like something that we
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  can reproduce over and over and over again.
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  And by the time you do that, it's the physics department that
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  steps into the biology department that steps in and and
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  it moves out of paranormal and into like quantifiable.
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  But what we found was a kind of like a smattering of stuff out
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  of a couple of universities, like big universities.
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  And then it kind of dies. It kind of goes away.
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  It it it it was like, like, do do you have a good memory of
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  this Delery? No, I was going to bring.
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  I mean, you can speak to how about how many papers did you
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  like? What was the major university
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  You found it out? It was the one in North
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  Carolina. Is it Duke?
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  I think it was Duke. I think it was Duke.
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  And so Duke kept records and the University of Virginia does too,
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  of these programs they had and they they just really don't have
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  active programs anymore. So somewhere around like the
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  50s, sixties, somewhere in there, all the money just
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  disappears. Like all the research just kind
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  of like slows down. And Duke does continue to do
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  some of these experiments, but they don't, they're not, again,
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  they're not trying to move it into science too hard.
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  They're just kind of going out and saying like, these are weird
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  things that happen and we're just going to document the cases
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  and, and then we're going to try to see if we can come up with
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  some like tiny versions of a, of a, of a repeatable experiment
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  and see what we can get out of it.
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  And they were getting results, but they weren't going much
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  further. So, so I saw the obvious stuff
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  as like, well, you know, you need to have a total discussion
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  when you're Speaking of magic and, and, and, and wild stuff
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  like this. Like I think we're talking about
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  things that exist not in some unfound ether, like they're,
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  they exist like completely within the spectrum of the
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  electromagnetic frequencies that we've been measuring for 130
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  years. And that's where it lives
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  because that's speed of light. They can go through everything.
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  Like it's, it's, it's persistent.
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  There's going to be some speed limits on things in the
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  universe. And then like, so it's, so it's
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  electrons, it's photons, it's magnetism, it's, it's like it's
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  action at a distance. The whole, everything we're
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  doing right now is happening because we understand the
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  electromagnetic spectrum, we understand how to control
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  photons. And that's what stuff like this
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  does. It takes in photons and does
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  work with them. And do you think that?
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  That we are not reinventing the wheel at the moment is that we
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  are just discovering the things that we already knew.
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  I don't know. I mean, you know, good question,
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  but I don't know, I don't think I can answer it yet.
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  I, I, well, Paul, we've talked before.
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  I believe pretty, I believe it's pretty hard to get this, this
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  Moroccan skull that's 300,000 years old that says homo sapien
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  was here. And then to go 300, well,
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  basically to 290,000 years before anybody is like, you
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  know, let's have a system of writing like let's build a house
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  out of stone. Like, I think it's pretty wild
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  to think that there would be that much time because the story
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  we're getting is like we went from, you know, hunter gatherers
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  to this and 10,000 years. I'm like, I don't, I don't
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  agree. Like I, I just the part of my
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  brain that thinks about stuff is like that.
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  I'm not OK with that thought. You know the.
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  The reason why I'm I'm asking you, Greg, is not of course, I
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  didn't expect an exact answer. But the, the The thing is that I
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  have somehow the feeling that we are living.
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  We are drowning in information these days.
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  We are drowning information some on some levels.
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  It feels like a span of information everywhere.
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  And we are every, everything is is living for two days and then
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  it's disappearing because there is the next information coming
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  up and the next one and the next one and the next one.
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  And I think somehow in these times to want to go back to the
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  book of Inoctum, for example, makes it for me really
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  interesting because it somehow gives, gives me the feeling that
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  even though the information that we have today's here and it's
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  it's volatile is going fast away, we're still missing
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  something really big from the past.
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  It's fantastic. That's how yeah, man, that's
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  where my heart is too. It's it that's I'd never had
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  thought about it like this, but it's it's essentially that even
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  though everybody thinks we got everything figured out, and I
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  think that's the biggest thing we've run into, especially when
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  we go do like talks, like live talks is, is essentially like
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  I'll drop into a live space sometimes and, and had try to
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  have talks with people that are discussing ancient history and
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  stuff like this. And, and I think it's the
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  biggest thing of just like you guys think we have it all
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  figured out and you're so wrong. Like you couldn't be more wrong
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  like that, that and, and especially with our own story,
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  like forget about The Big Bang and like why stars do stuff and
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  like like that, that story is still getting figured out in a
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  sense like, but it's like right in front of us, our our story.
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  It doesn't make sense and we will figure it out that there's
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  no way this thing is lost. The time.
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  I don't, but I don't buy that. I I think a lot of it is lost.
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  I think a lot of the surface level stuff is lost.
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  But if we, if we really treat it seriously in, in the sense that
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  like we just need to go dig everything up, you know, like
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  we, we really need to dig up and see what these and then we when
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  we dig it up, we can't be dismissive anymore.
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  We've got to stop that. We have to stop that.
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  What? Of course we're going then in a
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  small rabbit hole, but what concerns me is always in when
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  when we discuss about about this ancient things is that.
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  On. On, on some level, we are really
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  subjective and I'm, I'm giving you the example that it's in my,
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  it's in my mind now because I'm, I'm fully with you.
• 21:37
  And as I said, I have somehow the feeling that they are
• 21:39
  missing a lot from the past as well.
• 21:40
  And we are traveling now the information which with the
• 21:43
  information which is not relevant.
• 21:45
  I, I don't know who Kim Kardashian is.
• 21:47
  I keep hearing his name, but I have somehow the feeling that is
• 21:50
  more in the news than anything else.
• 21:52
  But I was saying, yeah, there is a, there is a story most
• 21:59
  probably are not aware of, but there is a story that somewhere
• 22:01
  in our mountains in Romania, there were some giants that
• 22:04
  lived in the past. And I'm not I, I don't have a
• 22:09
  problem with the with the, with the assumption and with the
• 22:13
  there are some proofs. But the problem which comes with
• 22:16
  this issue is that on this comes the extreme right from the
• 22:21
  politics side and said, you see, Romania is the center of the
• 22:24
  universe. Everything is spinning around
• 22:26
  Romania because the giants were living in our mountains.
• 22:30
  And this is something which makes this research really
• 22:33
  subjective, at least on every country level.
• 22:37
  And that's what always concerns me because we are, we are so
• 22:43
  willing to be not or to be outside of the of the average.
• 22:50
  We want to be above average and we want to be that nation that
• 22:53
  at least this is my feeling from here, from a small country in
• 22:56
  Eastern Europe. You want some, they want
• 23:00
  something to be like, look, yeah, when I, where I grew up,
• 23:03
  it was the lake trout capital of the world, whatever that means.
• 23:09
  The small town I grew up in Lake trout capital of the world, The
• 23:12
  everybody wants something, right?
• 23:14
  Giant capital of Eastern Europe. Like they want the sign that
• 23:17
  they can stick up. And exactly, we'll put a little
• 23:20
  museum up. And I totally get what you're
• 23:22
  saying. I, I think we have, well, that's
• 23:24
  a, that's a general mindset thing.
• 23:26
  I, I, I feel like the story that people don't think about very
• 23:30
  much is that we can get weird and like divide out into teams
• 23:37
  on pretty much anything. And countries are like the big
• 23:40
  version of that where we're divided out into national teams.
• 23:44
  And maybe we should think about more like the planet like we
• 23:50
  should. The planet Earth is a team, and
• 23:52
  we should try to. Figure out together before we
• 23:54
  figure out individual, Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:58
  And, and I think that the people we run into this a lot, the, the
• 24:00
  the modern folks that are inhabiting lands today that I
• 24:04
  don't care where you are, you didn't start there.
• 24:08
  That's good one. He started you adapted to be
• 24:11
  there. And yeah.
• 24:14
  So it's really kind of irrelevant.
• 24:16
  You know, it like as to what we it's, it's more like you've got
• 24:18
  stuff there. You're really going to prevent
• 24:20
  people from researching it and looking into it or why, why even
• 24:24
  try to twist it? Like what are you gaining?
• 24:26
  Like you're going to have if you found a site in Romania that
• 24:29
  like dated a 31,000 years ago. Like are we really saying those
• 24:33
  are proto Romanians or are we probably not it?
• 24:36
  Makes also not. Probably totally different group
• 24:39
  of people, like you're probably not going to find genetic
• 24:41
  material that looks like, it looks like a modern Romanian.
• 24:44
  You know, So I, I think, I think that that it would just be good
• 24:48
  to be like, we're humans and we're on team human.
• 24:50
  And thank goodness there isn't like the nation of like Azba gel
• 24:55
  that is full of, you know, giants and they're, you know,
• 25:00
  and they're just like camped in the modern day, like they're
• 25:03
  just camped out there. And because then we'd have a
• 25:05
  human being non human. And that tends to see it just
• 25:09
  seems like historically it doesn't always go well.
• 25:13
  But I, I don't know, I, I think you're right.
• 25:16
  There's, there's something that like holds the information a
• 25:18
  little bit back. That's a kind of human nature
• 25:20
  thing. Exactly.
• 25:22
  We see it a lot, especially like in Egypt.
• 25:23
  It's nuts. It's nuts down there.
• 25:26
  Like there, you've got so many different, you have such a
• 25:29
  diversity of, of, of how the sites should be treated and how
• 25:33
  the history should be treated. And then you have a diversity of
• 25:36
  people that like either they fully understand Egypt and they
• 25:39
  know not to get into things too deeply because it's damn
• 25:42
  mysterious, or they don't really understand it, but they want to
• 25:45
  contribute to it. And they see like there's a lot
• 25:49
  of people trying to claim that they, the origin of Egypt.
• 25:52
  There's a lot of different cultures that are saying like,
• 25:54
  that's us. Like and because it's us, we
• 25:57
  want all that stuff back and like, isn't it the same?
• 26:01
  Isn't it the same with Vatican as well, Greg?
• 26:03
  So, oh, it's the same, it's the same discussion.
• 26:06
  Like they and you know, the the fact that it could be that it's
• 26:10
  like, I don't know if you know the movie The book of Eli, but
• 26:14
  it could be that it's like in the book of Eli, the book is
• 26:16
  nothing but or what's inside the Vatican is nothing, but they
• 26:19
  keep it so in such a huge secret and makes no sense for me.
• 26:24
  I mean what? What?
• 26:26
  They might happen. I always think about that, man.
• 26:28
  Think about that. They might have to keep that
• 26:30
  stuff secret because like what we can see in the public side
• 26:33
  from the you, you know, photos of artifacts, you don't have to
• 26:37
  visit the site like from the from the translations of books
• 26:40
  is that the history looks a lot more like a movie, like a sci-fi
• 26:46
  movie than it looks like, you know, like just happenstance,
• 26:51
  civilization coming together. Everybody that's out there with
• 26:56
  a story says like they're not like, and and then this guy
• 27:01
  invented this. They're never just like, hey,
• 27:04
  yeah, like we do like Albert Einstein.
• 27:06
  They're not like, you know, ancient Albert Einstein invented
• 27:09
  the rules for for the magic. You know, it's always like a a
• 27:14
  bird headed deity that like carries around magical objects.
• 27:21
  Deal with that thing. But you know I.
• 27:24
  Mean, come on, man, make it official.
• 27:25
  I mean, yeah, of course it's you make it a lot of a lot
• 27:28
  interesting. But what can go wrong?
• 27:30
  I mean, of course you will get a big shock.
• 27:33
  And I think the same look, look what happened a few months ago
• 27:36
  when, when the I think it's Department of Defence, which
• 27:40
  came out and said you of course, we had some communication
• 27:43
  without extraterrestrial civilization and nobody the
• 27:48
  news. Cared.
• 27:53
  Well, they didn't, I didn't, I didn't get a chance to see the
• 27:55
  data data of that. I saw those statements and I saw
• 27:58
  that they were. Yeah, that's a really
• 28:01
  interesting case, right. So this is, this is like I, I
• 28:03
  tend to think we're at a time right now where you cannot put
• 28:07
  this genie back in the in the bottle.
• 28:08
  All you can do is slow it down. And when you get close to
• 28:12
  certain things, I think that there's certain things that are,
• 28:15
  that are right in front of us right now and floating around us
• 28:18
  right now that like, if we knew about them, you could tap and
• 28:21
  tune into them with like low, low cost devices.
• 28:24
  Does that make sense? Like something that if you knew
• 28:26
  about it. So I, I see this total like this
• 28:30
  line being drawn right at like the electromagnetic stuff, right
• 28:35
  at EM stuff to the point where like there's active research
• 28:39
  groups in this country like the Monroe Institute that say that's
• 28:42
  not where any of this stuff is happening publicly.
• 28:44
  They say that's that's not where ESPN stuff is happening, but I
• 28:48
  I'm like, but no, where's you? What the fuck gives you the
• 28:51
  authority? Sorry, but what's the that
• 28:53
  little FM up? But it really gets to me, man.
• 28:55
  Like what gives anybody the authority to tell people that's
• 28:58
  not where it is so consistently. And the only thing I can think
• 29:01
  is they're just trying to slow people down.
• 29:02
  They're just trying to slow them down just enough, because all of
• 29:05
  it should be like right in front of us, if that makes sense.
• 29:10
  Like it it it it should. It shouldn't be some like hidden
• 29:12
  thing that you need some like Marvel, you know, comic book
• 29:15
  device to to to see, you know, so this team that was that,
• 29:22
  yeah, you're talking about quantum tunneling.
• 29:25
  They they, they looked at like the way that we're we're
• 29:30
  currently communicating is with this EM stuff and EM stuff is
• 29:35
  kind of slow. Like if we're talking to the
• 29:39
  moon, there's a delay. Like there's, there's there's a
• 29:41
  decent delay. And if you're talking to Mars,
• 29:44
  there's an even bigger delay. And if you're talking to the
• 29:47
  Voyager probe, there's an even bigger delay, like hours.
• 29:49
  Like that's how long it takes a photon to move.
• 29:52
  It can only move so fast. So they had thought, well, is
• 29:55
  that how aliens are going to communicate?
• 29:58
  Like, are they going to communicate with these, you
• 30:00
  know, photons, you know, just raw photons?
• 30:04
  And the answers that they thought was no.
• 30:06
  So they developed this quantum tunneling device.
• 30:09
  And then I have the name of the guy.
• 30:11
  I have to go. I have to dive on this research
• 30:13
  because it's kind of interesting where essentially they they
• 30:16
  create like a tube and the tube does better at speed, if that
• 30:21
  makes sense. It's it's instantaneous or
• 30:23
  something. So the, I guess the story is
• 30:25
  they turned it on and it was like immediately chatting,
• 30:28
  chattering. So yeah, that's right out there.
• 30:32
  And like where where that leads is well, at least it's not
• 30:38
  completely hidden anymore, you know, if that that makes sense
• 30:42
  exactly. It's kind of a yeah half
• 30:45
  acknowledgement. Yeah, but so that's the future.
• 30:50
  I think the future is really hard to predict if we look at
• 30:52
  the past. I just think this story is just
• 30:56
  so concrete. It's so how much more do we want
• 31:01
  to see? You know, you'd asked if, if
• 31:05
  you, if I had thought the, the ancient folks were kind of just
• 31:08
  like coming up with, like they understood in effect, what they
• 31:11
  just kind of like dumbed it, dumbed it down, you know, like a
• 31:15
  magical effect. They kind of head away.
• 31:17
  I think what it is, is you had a central source of transmission,
• 31:20
  a truth that was known like way too long ago, like 13,000 years
• 31:26
  ago, 14,000 years ago. And it was just accepted like
• 31:30
  widely truthful acceptance of the world they lived in.
• 31:34
  And then they lost that world and they had to struggle to, to
• 31:38
  maintain what little technology they that was still natural
• 31:41
  based in a sense and, and, and maintain a way to transmit it
• 31:46
  across what is like the craziest void of human history ever.
• 31:51
  You know, like our, our first, our first like 6000 years post
• 31:56
  flout are pretty dark. They're pretty, they're pretty
• 32:00
  dark. Like it, it, there's not a whole
• 32:02
  lot jumping out a few, a few rock art things, settlement here
• 32:08
  or there. But if you if you imagine like
• 32:12
  what would it be like for this civilization to end and then
• 32:17
  give it 6000 years of like nobody's putting books together
• 32:22
  anymore, like nobody, whatever, it's all gone and all the
• 32:25
  infrastructure is gone. It's basically survival for for
• 32:28
  thousands of years. I think it's pretty.
• 32:30
  It would make sense that as the stuff reemerges, it comes back
• 32:33
  out as like, you know, the God gave us this idea to the, the
• 32:39
  the sun has waves and these waves can be captured by these
• 32:43
  things and it turns more into like the sun is magic and that's
• 32:48
  just all you need to know. And if you have this thing plus
• 32:52
  the sun, it does this thing. And if you if if you look at
• 32:55
  plants, like all these plants that we we look at that are, you
• 32:59
  know, have these magical properties like we consider
• 33:01
  sometimes that like in a, in a pre flood world, the chance that
• 33:06
  all that plants would have been the way you would generate
• 33:10
  chemicals is pretty high that you wouldn't like go synthesize
• 33:14
  a chemical. You would just develop, you
• 33:15
  would genetically develop a plant to produce the chemical
• 33:18
  for you. And it might just be that some
• 33:20
  of these kind of made it, you know, like Saint John's Wart
• 33:23
  and, you know, opium and, and some of these things are like
• 33:26
  sort of like designer chemicals in a sense inside of a plant
• 33:29
  form. And they undomesticate and they
• 33:31
  redomesticate. You take any plant and you go
• 33:34
  out like, you could take like a, a line of like Fiji apples, like
• 33:37
  really good apples, like these, these really expensive seeds and
• 33:41
  give it like, don't let man interfere with the orchard for
• 33:45
  like 2000 years. And those seeds will start to
• 33:47
  devolve, man. Like they'll start to go
• 33:49
  selection's not taking place anymore.
• 33:51
  It's just like those seeds will, they will not have the same
• 33:54
  apple and, and you lose evidence of domestication essentially.
• 33:59
  So I, I, I think like we with the diversity of plant life and
• 34:02
  the diversity of, of, of, of human understanding of, of like
• 34:07
  magical stuff. I think it just all lines up to
• 34:10
  say like we, yeah, we had it figured out, figured out.
• 34:12
  And then this thing happened and we just remember a little bits
• 34:16
  of it, but the little bits we remember seem to be like I, I
• 34:21
  don't know, scientifically verifiable or quantifiable or
• 34:24
  something like that. It's not just all prayer
• 34:28
  requests or something, you know. How did you how did you get from
• 34:32
  from such a small niche in like you said, metals and and and
• 34:39
  different materials to to such a brighter domain?
• 34:44
  Oh man, that's a good question. A lot of it boiled down to like
• 34:50
  we were, I guess we're trying to figure out like, how do you make
• 34:55
  a business out of this? Sounds silly, but it, it, it's
• 34:58
  like you want to keep doing something, but you don't really
• 35:00
  know how to. And it trying to look at what
• 35:04
  we've, what we were, what we had it.
• 35:06
  And I think we hit this point when we're doing plants and
• 35:08
  crystals and stuff like that, where it was like, well, we want
• 35:11
  to know more about like rituals, like how, what was the, what
• 35:14
  were things that people are doing with these?
• 35:16
  And, and, and honestly, we want to know like, could we go back
• 35:18
  further and find mention of this, these things and see it?
• 35:22
  Like, can we find source material that's like several
• 35:25
  1000 years old that's referencing some of this stuff?
• 35:29
  Because again, my, my thought is the further away you get from,
• 35:34
  we'll say 10,012 thousand years ago, the, the, the worse the
• 35:37
  information gets. There might have been like 1
• 35:39
  central preservation of a line, but we kind of, you know, a book
• 35:43
  published last week is not going to have as much of A weight in
• 35:48
  my mind as something that was published like 3000 years ago.
• 35:51
  Just, you know, on a magical information.
• 35:56
  Yeah. It was kind of like we, we saw
• 35:57
  out, we, we sought out older books to kind of source that
• 36:02
  stuff and we thought, man, it'd be really good to just publish
• 36:04
  these. Like we have to go through them
• 36:06
  anyways. We have to go through them like
• 36:09
  we have to go line by line through the text.
• 36:12
  And it, it made sense to say, well, we're not just dealing
• 36:16
  with just magical stuff anymore. We're more just dealing with
• 36:19
  what was the world like when it was magic?
• 36:22
  Because do you ever think about that part?
• 36:24
  Like if you, if you really buy into all the, you know, Lord of
• 36:27
  the Rings wizardry stuff like, like, what would a world be like
• 36:32
  where someone could wield nature, where somebody could,
• 36:37
  you know, electromagnetically induce control over another
• 36:42
  human being? What would the world look like
• 36:45
  if spell spellcraft worked? And if talismans and amulets
• 36:49
  worked like not kind of worked, but like really worked.
• 36:53
  Like, if you can, you know, like you could reproduce it.
• 36:56
  And I think the only way you find out the answers to that is
• 36:59
  by reading old books and trying to see like, does anybody
• 37:03
  remember a time like that? Because that's where it'll end
• 37:06
  up. If we, if we were in our
• 37:09
  research to figure out that let's say there was a, a unique
• 37:13
  geometry and a unique like something you could do with
• 37:17
  geometry plus stones plus like crystals plus metals.
• 37:22
  That would make it so if you put an object on your head that you
• 37:27
  could like get a cow to do what you wanted it to do, right?
• 37:32
  Like if there was some way to control a cow, like with your
• 37:35
  thoughts. OK, so if you did figure that,
• 37:38
  if you're like person to figure that out, you're like 3 steps
• 37:40
  away from being the king of the world, you know, like works on
• 37:43
  cows. Well, let's get it to work on
• 37:44
  humans and then let's see where ethical boundaries are and, and
• 37:48
  just mass control people. And it's not like we don't have
• 37:53
  mass control through photons. It's like the past.
• 37:55
  That's images and videos and sounds like we we already do it.
• 38:00
  It's just the questions always been.
• 38:01
  Can you do it without like, like, like essentially right
• 38:07
  into someone's skull And, and I'll tell you, the world we're
• 38:11
  in right now tells us, yeah, we're really, really close.
• 38:15
  Like, like I just read a paper that was like using Wi-Fi to,
• 38:21
  to, to read emotional state off of an individual, like
• 38:28
  invisibly. So using the Wi-Fi like in your
• 38:32
  phone to create a sensor net that you could like have this
• 38:36
  thing out. And it, it's, it seems like
• 38:39
  they've got something figured out here.
• 38:40
  They, they got the signal to noise ratio figured out.
• 38:42
  And they're like, yeah, the Wi-Fi is like beeping out heart
• 38:45
  rate, it's beeping out respiratory rate.
• 38:48
  And with those things you can kind of infer emotional state.
• 38:51
  And that's like without putting anything on a person.
• 38:54
  So it, it, if you, that means you have a testing apparatus in
• 38:58
  a sense, like, you know, so I, I, I think we're getting to the
• 39:02
  point where we're going to figure out like humans are
• 39:04
  pretty manipulatable, manipulatable.
• 39:08
  And I guess that was kind of kind of, that was a long way to
• 39:12
  say it. But when you're dealing with
• 39:13
  like research up front, that's like, if any of this stuff is
• 39:16
  true, it gives you an advantage. Like it's a type of tool or
• 39:20
  technique that gives you like an extreme advantage over another
• 39:23
  human being that doesn't like, it doesn't know how to, it
• 39:26
  doesn't know how magic stuff works.
• 39:28
  And if everyone's kind of Pooh poohing the technology, then
• 39:33
  maybe we'll be the ones to kind of like nailed in.
• 39:35
  Does that make sense? Like maybe we'll be the ones to
• 39:37
  like find it. And what happens if we do find
• 39:39
  it? Oh boy, Like, I don't know.
• 39:42
  Because when we went and did the book of Enoch, the story is when
• 39:46
  stuff like this starts getting out broad, like that's the end
• 39:49
  of the world. That's like when it the world
• 39:52
  becomes like an untenable place that has to go backwards.
• 39:57
  And and so I think we started to see it everywhere, you know,
• 39:59
  like. It's hard to make sense out of
• 40:03
  that, but it's like we started to see, I have to be honest.
• 40:05
  That you you managed to put magic and now connected to what
• 40:10
  you just said in a different perspective, for me at least.
• 40:14
  Because you're using magic as the as a name for something
• 40:21
  which cannot be explained. And I always thought until now
• 40:25
  magic is magic, but has no real explanation.
• 40:29
  And now it makes really a lot of sense.
• 40:32
  Like you say, OK, magic, magic is actually something that you
• 40:35
  cannot explain now or that you are not able to understand.
• 40:38
  Even if I if I if I would explain you and connected to
• 40:43
  what you just said at the moment that if we put that out and we
• 40:49
  show look, we can put this casket on our or didn't know
• 40:53
  this casket, this this thing around our head and we can
• 40:55
  control the cow. That will be magic for the
• 40:58
  masses and there will be a close to the end of the world like you
• 41:05
  said. Yeah, it'd be a.
• 41:06
  Problem it'd be a problem the the, the like I said, that paper
• 41:12
  I saw was was wild. That's MITMIT has been pushing
• 41:16
  the limits on human ethical stuff for a couple of years now.
• 41:20
  And I think they called it the EQ radio if anybody wants to go
• 41:22
  look it up. But they, they had another
• 41:26
  project that was like, just as wild and just as ethically WTF,
• 41:31
  Which was they, they, they, they came up with a methodology to,
• 41:36
  to slip dreams into people and do it like pretty reliably.
• 41:43
  Like the dream. Yeah.
• 41:46
  Oh my. God, yeah.
• 41:48
  And you're. Like what in the world?
• 41:49
  So they, they have, I don't know what's going on over there, but
• 41:55
  I mean, that's the important thing is that at least like, you
• 41:56
  know, you know, you can do it based on some, you know,
• 41:59
  graduate program person's the project or whatever.
• 42:04
  You, you know, because it, it's speculative until somebody
• 42:07
  reproduces it. And, and, and with those, both
• 42:10
  of these things, this is stuff you can go download.
• 42:12
  This is stuff you can go download the plans to get a
• 42:14
  dream slipper in her. And it's not like, it's not like
• 42:18
  the hardest thing to create. Like it's, it's essentially they
• 42:20
  look at, they, they get someone and they look at you look at how
• 42:26
  it's a sensor set. I, I have these things in my, in
• 42:29
  storage right now. I got to assemble a couple and
• 42:31
  see what we can do with them. But it's just this little, it's
• 42:35
  like a thing that you, you, you get on the person's hand.
• 42:38
  And this is just to get telemetry.
• 42:39
  It's not, it's not part of the process.
• 42:41
  It's just to get telemetry and you you look for this exact
• 42:44
  moment in the in the biofeedback, like there's
• 42:49
  there's some exact moment you you find and it means that
• 42:52
  they're they're in a it's not a hypnagogic, it's the other one
• 42:57
  state. It's a state right before
• 42:59
  dreaming. And right there you can issue
• 43:02
  audio commands, audio narrative. Yeah, it's very.
• 43:08
  You don't even have to. Rehear it, Yeah.
• 43:12
  And it just drops in and there's multiple ways to get sound on
• 43:15
  the people. There's multiple ways to get
• 43:18
  but. It kind of makes sense.
• 43:19
  I don't know if you know there is an there are a few ways of
• 43:23
  quitting smoking and one of them is actually this, this sleeping
• 43:27
  noses which is happening. You have a, you actually have a
• 43:30
  tape running, you have to play it and it starts before you go
• 43:34
  to sleep. It has a long pause and then it
• 43:37
  starts, like you said, most probably directly before
• 43:40
  entering into the R.E.M. Sleep.
• 43:43
  Which makes sense. Because it gives you a kind of a
• 43:45
  pre hymnosis thing, yeah. I mean that, that that project
• 43:50
  sent me on a whole thing a couple of years ago.
• 43:52
  I mean, we went about the gear to, to, to make the kits to try
• 43:56
  this out. Because it I, I, I think, I
• 43:59
  think anything like this, anything where we can show that
• 44:03
  we're not as protected as we might think and we're not as
• 44:07
  like we're pretty easy to hack. Humans are pretty easy to hack
• 44:09
  into. You don't even need fancy
• 44:12
  electromagnetic stuff to, to insert thoughts in the people's
• 44:15
  heads. There's, there's this whole, I
• 44:17
  don't know, it's a little bit of witchcraft that I would say
• 44:19
  modern day witchcraft. It's this the, the, there's that
• 44:23
  whole field of NLP, which is neuro linguistic programming.
• 44:27
  And there's, there's, there's folks out there that like, you
• 44:29
  could go meet them and they could take the watch right off
• 44:31
  your hand and then you wouldn't even know it.
• 44:33
  And like you'd hand it to them, you'd hand them your watch and
• 44:36
  you wouldn't even realize what you did.
• 44:38
  There is a. There is a.
• 44:39
  There is a famous state talk, I don't know if you know from
• 44:42
  Apollo. I did.
• 44:44
  Unfortunately, I don't have the family name.
• 44:49
  This is his name is and it's actually the it's called
• 44:52
  attention. I think the attention price of
• 44:56
  attention or something like this.
• 44:57
  And it's exactly this. NLPS like when through different
• 45:02
  ways they get your attention and they get he's getting everything
• 45:06
  from you and you don't even notice it.
• 45:09
  It, it's, it's really interesting stuff and it, it,
• 45:12
  it, it makes me think like, well, geez, somebody can get
• 45:16
  that into like, that's a whole bunch of techniques that people
• 45:18
  have to learn and, and, and get right and, and, and adapt
• 45:21
  quickly to, to what's going on. But I mean, like we have AI and
• 45:25
  AI can help rapidly adapt things like AI can help with all this
• 45:30
  stuff. And, and, and there might even,
• 45:32
  like I said, there's probably other ways around it.
• 45:34
  There's probably just like some some kind of core things that go
• 45:38
  on in human minds that make us like, I don't know, very easy to
• 45:41
  manipulate. I know if you if you strobe
• 45:44
  somebody with like green light, I'll shut person off.
• 45:48
  If you have somebody that's talking and you repeat their, if
• 45:52
  you put like somewhere in headphones right now and it's
• 45:56
  blocking out most the other sounds and I'm hearing my own
• 45:59
  voice because we have, you know, I don't know if you do that, but
• 46:01
  I do like I hear. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:04
  It helps me know if I'm talking to the mic the right way or
• 46:07
  correct. I'm isn't.
• 46:08
  It correct. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:09
  And if you delay that by like 1/10 of a second, you'll shut
• 46:13
  somebody down. They won't be able to talk if
• 46:16
  you feed their voice back in. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:19
  And it's, it's exactly 100% correct.
• 46:21
  And it's interesting. I, I had to Google it.
• 46:24
  I don't have my, my Aunt Jamie. It's Apollo Robbins and it's the
• 46:29
  world's most famous pick pocket, pick pocket there.
• 46:33
  I'm sorry for going back to the topic, but I want to, to, to
• 46:37
  mention the complete name. It's, it's so interesting where
• 46:43
  we are going and it's so interesting that I, I had an
• 46:47
  idea while, while you were saying that you tried to make a
• 46:49
  business out of it. And Craig, if you find a way to
• 46:52
  monetise a passion, you we have to make an episode on that
• 46:55
  because that's, that's something that everyone is looking for for
• 46:59
  sure. So that's that's if you've
• 47:01
  managed to do that shampoo. We have to talk about it, OK.
• 47:06
  We're, we're trying our best, we're doing, we're doing
• 47:10
  everything we can. It's it's hard to pick the
• 47:11
  things because there's like, you could end up investing way too
• 47:15
  much into something that doesn't get you any.
• 47:17
  So there's a lot of stuff we want to do, but we're trying to
• 47:19
  be like budget conscious and it's, it's very tough sometimes
• 47:23
  like to find the, to find the edge.
• 47:25
  And I think our edge was, was publishing.
• 47:28
  It was, it still is. It's, it's kind of being
• 47:31
  presenters of the information rather than researchers who will
• 47:35
  publish a paper and just sit back.
• 47:37
  Does that make sense? And so we, we like to be in this
• 47:40
  space of like education, entertainment a little bit, but
• 47:44
  more on the education side rather than right now being
• 47:47
  inventors and, and, and trying to productize the, the space
• 47:52
  more. What's?
• 47:55
  The what's the part that makes more fun?
• 47:59
  I was a product developer for like 20 years and I like making
• 48:01
  products but I I I think the fun.
• 48:05
  I knew it for. Fun I I don't I get a lot more
• 48:08
  fun out of research. Honestly, I like reading.
• 48:10
  I like, I like to like, I like to see stuff that's in these old
• 48:14
  books and be like, what the hell is going on here?
• 48:17
  I like that part and I like, I really like getting a being able
• 48:21
  to just make that part of my day.
• 48:23
  I'm just going and, and, and saying, what book do I want to
• 48:26
  go read now and take notes on and, and potentially use in the
• 48:28
  future for, for, for source information?
• 48:32
  I mean, there's something about that that like you can't beat it
• 48:36
  getting to like translate hieroglyphics and figure out
• 48:39
  like, you know, that end of things.
• 48:42
  I mean, there's, there's never been a lot of money in this
• 48:44
  space. Just so everyone's aware.
• 48:46
  There's never been like a mechanism to get money out
• 48:50
  really of, of, of this space in the past, you know, 100 and some
• 48:54
  years it used to be you would be a treasure hunter.
• 48:56
  You can't do it again. It's not about.
• 48:59
  The month of money, it's about the it's about the pleasure and
• 49:01
  it's about the, the enjoyment. And like you said, in, in seeing
• 49:05
  those things and in and I, I have to say that's a dream
• 49:09
  situation. And if you manage to get make a
• 49:12
  living out of it, you, you'll never get reached from this
• 49:15
  because it's always, it's always everyone is taking it with a
• 49:18
  pinch of salt, with a grain of salt, because everyone is
• 49:21
  suspicious when they when it's about this.
• 49:24
  And, but I think it's important if you manage to make a living,
• 49:27
  that's the most important because you make a living out of
• 49:29
  something you enjoy the hell out of.
• 49:32
  Yeah, and let's hope that's not like ending up with, you know,
• 49:35
  manipulating people at a distance with electromagnetic
• 49:38
  devices, you know, created on designs that we find in a cave 4
• 49:42
  to 40,000 years ago. Like I that, that, that's a
• 49:45
  dilemma there. I guess the biggest dilemma is
• 49:47
  like pursuing the product angle really hard where the money
• 49:50
  would be, would be a nightmare if you actually got something to
• 49:55
  work. Like I, I think that's my, I'd
• 49:57
  rather just like leave that stuff alone for a little bit
• 50:00
  longer, if that makes sense. Like makes sense.
• 50:03
  Absolutely, Yeah, let's let's switch to the Book of Enoch
• 50:07
  because I think it's a, it's an interesting topic that we have
• 50:09
  to dig into, or at least I want to dig into.
• 50:13
  What? What?
• 50:13
  Surprised you the most because you make a, you made a, you made
• 50:17
  a, let's say a more than a republication, at least from my
• 50:21
  perspective. And I want to ask you what
• 50:23
  surprised you the most while working on the book like.
• 50:26
  The emo, the thing that blew me, blew my mind open.
• 50:29
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 50:30
  One single phrase that that comes out where Enoch is he's
• 50:39
  talking to, to to the big guy directly, essentially like and,
• 50:43
  and, and the big guy being like the highest deity in the land,
• 50:47
  you know, the Lord, the God. And there's a statement that
• 50:55
  just doesn't make sense where Enoch is told that there's,
• 51:02
  there's this whole. So the, the just the kind of
• 51:04
  like outside story is that like Enoch is, is it's been
• 51:09
  petitioned by the fallen angels to go speak with God.
• 51:11
  He's he's in some place that is not, maybe it's not home, but we
• 51:16
  don't really know where it is. And he's been kind of like
• 51:18
  educated on all this crazy stuff before.
• 51:20
  He talks to God essentially. And in this one little spot, he
• 51:24
  talks to God and, and, and God goes like, you know, there's all
• 51:28
  this kind of like knowledge. You, you, you know, this place,
• 51:29
  the earth is screwed up, right? You know, it's like, yeah, I
• 51:32
  know that. So at that point he goes, well,
• 51:36
  you know, there, there's going to be, there's going to be a way
• 51:40
  to fix this, but it'll be 10,000 years until the guilt is
• 51:46
  consummated. Meaning like we've got a mortal,
• 51:49
  basically immortal things involved here and time for them
• 51:53
  is much different. And but it's this literal number
• 51:56
  of 10,000 years that got me because I just was like, how,
• 52:02
  how did that number out of all the numbers show up in a book
• 52:05
  that is 2300 years old? And if you're 2300 years old and
• 52:13
  you've got a 10,000 year window post flood before, like the
• 52:20
  guilt, the quote UN quote, guilt is consummated then to these
• 52:24
  people 2300 years ago. I mean that puts that the year
• 52:27
  like 4000AD5000AD before this guilt is supposed to be
• 52:34
  consummated because their their flood date was you know like
• 52:37
  5500 BC, 4500 BC. But the scientific flood date is
• 52:44
  like 12,000 years ago. Meaning adding if you add the
• 52:50
  10,000 years to 12,000 years ago, you nail the consummation
• 52:55
  of guilt being Christ on the cross.
• 52:59
  Saying. All of your sins are forgiven.
• 53:02
  What the the whole flood is about sin.
• 53:05
  It's all about not human sin. It's about watchers, these
• 53:09
  angels, these fallen things transgressing against the plans
• 53:14
  of, of God and God saying you really screwed things up here.
• 53:17
  And there's only one way to unscrew it up.
• 53:19
  And that is to remove all the technology to cut you guys down
• 53:24
  and to bind you for 5000 years. And that was the other one that
• 53:29
  jumped out at me. I'm like 5000 years.
• 53:31
  What is that a binding for five? What does this even mean?
• 53:34
  And you know, the, the historical context line up of
• 53:39
  the five of a 5000 year binding puts you like right into the
• 53:43
  neighborhood of the, the, the archaeological record, like
• 53:48
  where, where we don't see cities emerge and, and, and Angel
• 53:52
  technology, what are you going to call it?
• 53:53
  Emerge like in force until about 5000 BC, which is 5000 years
• 53:59
  post 10,000 BC, which is the pretty much agreed upon flood
• 54:02
  date. So I just thought that that
• 54:05
  being in that book was just like, whoa, holy crap.
• 54:07
  They shouldn't know any of this. Like they, they shouldn't.
• 54:10
  They especially shouldn't know that Christ hasn't even shown up
• 54:13
  yet. They should, you know, it's not
• 54:14
  like they're revising something here.
• 54:18
  That's. I have to say that's real mind
• 54:21
  blowing because that that that. It's crazy.
• 54:26
  It's just, yeah, it's just it. It made me pay attention.
• 54:29
  Man, when I read that part it's like oh wait.
• 54:32
  Absolutely makes sense. Absolutely make makes sense.
• 54:41
  What do you think? They are the the the the
• 54:44
  forbidden teachings that the the Watchers gave humanity.
• 54:49
  There's a lot. Of them listed.
• 54:54
  So. Why do you think writing is the
• 54:57
  most dangerous? Oh, because it is without a
• 55:01
  doubt, Without a doubt, man. If you'd, if you had to orally
• 55:07
  transmit every set of instructions and every belief
• 55:10
  you had, your reach is pretty small.
• 55:13
  Your reach is as far as your voice can carry.
• 55:16
  And if you can write it down and somebody can understand it, that
• 55:21
  can last on forever. You know, your voice dies with
• 55:24
  your breath. Your writing is, is, well, what
• 55:27
  did you write it on? Like did you, did you pound it
• 55:29
  in a tungsten? Because if you pounded it in a
• 55:31
  tungsten, it's going to be sitting around for a while.
• 55:34
  Granite, sandstone, even We are looking at some stuff from this
• 55:39
  week that's like, it's in Saudi and it's 9000 year old Patrick
• 55:43
  lifts. And you're like, man, that
• 55:44
  lasted quite a long time just out in the out in the elements.
• 55:49
  But it's written so you can you can interpret it today.
• 55:53
  Writing is so dangerous. It is, it is the way for things
• 55:57
  to spread. You do not get technology at the
• 56:00
  list scale. We have it without writing.
• 56:03
  You know, you can't get machinists even without writing.
• 56:07
  Like you can't even you need instructions.
• 56:10
  You need things that can pass down and, and and you'll lose
• 56:12
  stuff so quickly if you don't have writing.
• 56:15
  So I think when when a society develops that so many things, so
• 56:18
  many advanced things show up with it, propaganda shows up.
• 56:22
  The ability to record history, to have one perspective on
• 56:25
  history cemented in, you know, that'll that'll just last
• 56:31
  forever. It's huge.
• 56:34
  I mean, yeah, writing is the most worst thing that we could
• 56:39
  have developed if we wanted to stay like hippie, hippie, flower
• 56:42
  child, you know, dancing. Do you think it was a?
• 56:45
  Do you think it was a willingly mistake?
• 56:49
  Was it was? What do you mean was?
• 56:52
  Was a mistake done on purpose if it makes sense, Like do you
• 56:57
  think so? That there's an Angel associated
• 56:59
  with writing named Penime. So are you suggesting like that
• 57:02
  Penime did it on purpose versus like it was discovered in?
• 57:07
  Yeah, I don't, I think so, because I think that the I think
• 57:13
  the one thing you can gather from the the Nephilim or the
• 57:15
  Watchers is that they're highly materialistic.
• 57:19
  Like they, they are very in control of the material,
• 57:23
  physical world. And I think that writing gives
• 57:26
  them an ability to transmit their own philosophies and ideas
• 57:31
  and cement that materialistic world even more.
• 57:34
  So you need it in there. You need it at some point.
• 57:37
  I think you need writing, period.
• 57:39
  But yeah, I think it was quite, I think it was quite deliberate.
• 57:43
  And, and in the description we get in the Book of Enoch, it's
• 57:45
  not Panama doesn't just teach about writing.
• 57:47
  There's some other things too. And one of the things that kind
• 57:51
  of jumps out is the is the kind of Panama is saying you've got
• 57:54
  to be able to take the good with the bad.
• 57:56
  And writing is exactly one of those things.
• 57:59
  It's a good with the bad kind of technology.
• 58:02
  You can do great things with writing and you can also write
• 58:06
  Mein Kampf. Like there's all the whole
• 58:10
  spectrum of things that you can do, right?
• 58:14
  Like there's, there's you can inspire generations to to love
• 58:20
  or to hate and, and, and, but you can't do that without
• 58:24
  writing. I think that's the point,
• 58:26
  correct? Correct.
• 58:28
  Yeah, I will move out of the main topic for reason and and
• 58:34
  just say that don't you think that we are at the moment in a
• 58:39
  decay of of reading that means less importance or for?
• 58:46
  Sure, an. Evolution, yeah.
• 58:50
  For sure I see it as an. Involution because I have, I
• 58:53
  don't know the feeling that OK. Can you elaborate on that well?
• 58:59
  It's always a little weird when things are being born like
• 59:01
  there's, there's always going to be like some, some steps that
• 59:04
  are weird that, that we're in the infancy of something right
• 59:07
  now and we are increasing our mental bandwidth.
• 59:13
  The, the amount of information we can get into somebody's head
• 59:15
  and the amount of information we can extract from somebody's
• 59:18
  head. A lot with a with, with, with,
• 59:20
  with what's going on right now. Like we are currently working
• 59:23
  out. Like how, how do you get, you
• 59:26
  know, what's the fastest, quickest way to get a backed
• 59:28
  into somebody's mind? Social media, you can do like
• 59:32
  600 facts an hour, you know, like there, there, there's,
• 59:36
  it's, it's wild. And, and on the other end of it,
• 59:38
  people just communicate what they communicate, but that'll
• 59:40
  get cleaned up too. You know, it's, there's going to
• 59:43
  be a lot. So we're in this infant stage.
• 59:45
  I think it's an evolution. I think that we are going to, we
• 59:48
  are developing and will develop a lot of stuff in the next
• 59:52
  couple of years that when you look back on it, you'll probably
• 59:55
  say, well, that was this. Look how bad we were handling
• 59:57
  this thing that we've got figured out now.
• 1:00:00
  And, and we've kind of got like the groundwork laid for it.
• 1:00:02
  And, and without this weird, I guess it's the Aquarius energy
• 1:00:06
  in the world of information everywhere.
• 1:00:09
  Like we're not going to have the refinement process take place
• 1:00:12
  that, you know, allows for this to be like a, a beneficial thing
• 1:00:15
  in the long run. But I, I, I think, yeah, our
• 1:00:17
  information bandwidth is just going to go through the roof,
• 1:00:20
  through the roof. And that's a good thing.
• 1:00:24
  You know, it's also going to be a bad thing.
• 1:00:27
  This is the extension of that same group of technologies like
• 1:00:31
  like you and I content people. We can go out and create like
• 1:00:35
  really advanced content right now with Google video or mid
• 1:00:39
  journey or a million other things that bring the cost of
• 1:00:42
  the content way down. That the literal cost gets
• 1:00:45
  shifted onto a GPU somewhere and just eats electricity now versus
• 1:00:50
  Or we might have to go and get on a plane and go somewhere and
• 1:00:53
  take pictures or get a film crew together and do a bunch of, you
• 1:00:56
  know, really expensive stuff so even.
• 1:01:00
  This thing that we are doing at the moment, it's easier than it
• 1:01:02
  was a few years ago, so. Easy.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah, these things are so easy. The productization stuff shows
• 1:01:07
  up and I think like, it's inevitably changing things.
• 1:01:12
  I think they'll still be information authorities in the
• 1:01:14
  world and I think that there's still going to be books in the
• 1:01:17
  world and I think there's still going to be libraries and
• 1:01:20
  museums and whatever. But the, the digital experience,
• 1:01:24
  the digital interface, the information is just like good.
• 1:01:26
  It's going to be wild and, and, and it will be for a little bit,
• 1:01:29
  but I think it's going to lead to things where like we have
• 1:01:34
  hyper customized experiences for people on the digital side where
• 1:01:39
  you're at, Like think of education, where you could say
• 1:01:42
  like, I want to be a doctor and, and some AI can like game that
• 1:01:47
  for you. They can hit you with a bunch of
• 1:01:49
  like a little entertaining, a little informational content
• 1:01:53
  throughout your, you know, formative years that will
• 1:01:56
  somehow load into you, like all the anatomy that you need to
• 1:02:00
  know and, and a bunch of cases that you, you know, are
• 1:02:03
  interesting. And it's just doing this like
• 1:02:06
  the it's just developing content personalized for smaller
• 1:02:09
  audiences in a sense. At the end of the day, there's
• 1:02:11
  always like niches, right? Like like that there's an idea
• 1:02:15
  called the, the, the, the hyper individual Freudian kind of idea
• 1:02:20
  where, where individuals do exist.
• 1:02:22
  Yes, they're like everyone is an individual, but at some level
• 1:02:27
  there's like individuality you, you and about a million other
• 1:02:32
  people, right? Like like think the same way
• 1:02:35
  maybe, maybe more. And this can be evidenced like
• 1:02:38
  at malls, when you go to a mall and they have a store like Hot
• 1:02:40
  Topic, which was like this punk store.
• 1:02:42
  It's like they knew the punks were out there and they knew
• 1:02:44
  they were shopping at at the thrift store.
• 1:02:47
  But there was enough of them, this counterculture movement
• 1:02:50
  where they could build a Hot Topic store which sells, you
• 1:02:52
  know, like grungy punkies. I don't know what they sell
• 1:02:54
  nowadays, but like rave gear, who knows?
• 1:02:57
  Like, but they, they, they kind of tail into these
• 1:02:58
  counterculture things and there's more enough people there
• 1:03:01
  to support the store. And and it's you're not as
• 1:03:03
  individualistic as you might believe.
• 1:03:05
  And I think that these systems will develop ways to speak to
• 1:03:09
  those people and, and for those people that also have a voice in
• 1:03:14
  the long run, in the short run, it's going to, it is chaos.
• 1:03:18
  And there's no in this country, they're not regulating it for
• 1:03:21
  the next 10 years, I think. But I think it's the same, yeah,
• 1:03:28
  Europe is trying to do something there.
• 1:03:30
  But I think the speed in which this technology is developing is
• 1:03:35
  bigger than the speed in which it can be regulated with.
• 1:03:39
  That's my for a while. Like it, it, it's essentially
• 1:03:42
  bringing the cost down on things that people have been able to do
• 1:03:45
  for a long time, right. So yeah, I think I know they're
• 1:03:48
  seeing it. They're like, well, it's just
• 1:03:49
  speeding up. Yeah, I think that.
• 1:03:51
  The problem is that going on the the problem is that I think the
• 1:03:55
  main, I think the main incentive with which this company started
• 1:04:00
  first they started to make money.
• 1:04:03
  They started with the reason of making money.
• 1:04:05
  And I think I'm reading at the moment, I don't know if you know
• 1:04:10
  the book careless people, which was reading by this was written
• 1:04:14
  by this whistleblower of Facebook.
• 1:04:16
  And she said at the beginning, nobody realized part that this
• 1:04:20
  this social media can have and nobody and they didn't want any
• 1:04:24
  regulation from any country because they were only wanted to
• 1:04:27
  make more and more money, more and more money.
• 1:04:29
  That was the only reason. And I think now they realize as
• 1:04:32
  well impair the the social impact that they have, the fact
• 1:04:35
  that they are they are able to influence anything, like
• 1:04:41
  literally anything. Yeah, and they have.
• 1:04:43
  Control over it, which is that's the dilemma I think for these
• 1:04:47
  platforms is that any, inevitably any rules you make
• 1:04:52
  will shape the the digital society you have there, right?
• 1:04:55
  Like any, anything, if you say you can't say a specific word
• 1:04:58
  because it's hateful, guess what?
• 1:04:59
  It's going to shape the whole society there.
• 1:05:02
  And, and these platforms do have extensive rule sets as to what
• 1:05:09
  content they allow and what they'll because they have to
• 1:05:12
  promote because of the way they built these things.
• 1:05:16
  They all follow tail because they know what they get the
• 1:05:18
  highest metrics off of. Feed based, infinite feed based
• 1:05:22
  content, which I thought was supposed to be illegal here, but
• 1:05:24
  they didn't do much about regulating it.
• 1:05:26
  So they basically need to throw content in front of somebody,
• 1:05:28
  change the TV for them in a sense, like give it to them.
• 1:05:31
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  There's a whole bunch of science to figure out, like how do we
• 1:05:35
  get the most effective? They moved it.
• 1:05:38
  They moved it in, in. They moved it in the, in the, in
• 1:05:41
  the, in the. Newspaper area where you have
• 1:05:44
  this limitless scrolling in, in the newspapers as well, like you
• 1:05:48
  always get them. This is crazy.
• 1:05:50
  Like gives you such a lame feeling of never being up to
• 1:05:54
  date with everything. Yeah, no kidding.
• 1:05:57
  That's how it feels. I do it.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:06:00
  It's how it feels. You are never.
• 1:06:01
  Up to date and so you try to push it down and then because
• 1:06:04
  there's nothing interesting nothing it is but at the end you
• 1:06:06
  find something interesting and and and well, I think that the
• 1:06:10
  main. Thing is these guys had access
• 1:06:13
  to that bugs me. I just want to get this out
• 1:06:15
  there is that, that, that they, they conduct, they regularly
• 1:06:19
  conduct psych experiments on folks on these platforms like,
• 1:06:23
  and, and they've disclosed that they say, you know, we, I read a
• 1:06:27
  thing from, from Meadow that was like, we, we tried positive
• 1:06:30
  reinforcement and we tried negative reinforcement.
• 1:06:32
  And you're like, what does that mean?
• 1:06:34
  And like, well, on this side, we tried to, you know, promote
• 1:06:37
  content that would make people feel good.
• 1:06:40
  And on this side, we tried to promote content that was
• 1:06:43
  controversial, which is, you know, has the, has the effect of
• 1:06:45
  raising blood pressure essentially like it has people
• 1:06:48
  get stressed talking on it. And they found that like, you
• 1:06:51
  know, there were there were benefits to both essentially.
• 1:06:55
  And the advertisers aren't going to complain either way.
• 1:06:58
  So they're at the end of the day, just buying.
• 1:07:01
  They just want to buy a people's attention and and they have two
• 1:07:04
  things they have you have people with.
• 1:07:06
  Power and people with power since long times which make them
• 1:07:12
  some kind of dictators. Just my humble opinion here, but
• 1:07:17
  we see what's happening in Russia.
• 1:07:18
  So it's somehow the same thing like when you have Matt Zornberg
• 1:07:23
  running meta, since I don't know how many years he's doing his
• 1:07:27
  own things. And it's not only him, like
• 1:07:30
  maybe him is not his. We talk about meta now, but it's
• 1:07:33
  the same with any other huge big tech company.
• 1:07:37
  And the second thing, they are just pushed by personal
• 1:07:40
  incentive. So if I, if I like, I don't
• 1:07:43
  know, let me give you an example, which is not so
• 1:07:47
  critical at the moment. If I like more Lakers, then I
• 1:07:50
  don't know, a different a different basketball team, then
• 1:07:53
  I help push them up and pushing others down.
• 1:07:58
  And we can't stop you from doing that.
• 1:08:00
  Exactly. That's where folks are like.
• 1:08:01
  Not understanding like there's there's.
• 1:08:02
  No. There's nobody that can if if if
• 1:08:05
  one of these platforms decides to push XYZ person, that's their
• 1:08:08
  business. Exactly.
• 1:08:10
  They're allowed to unless they did something.
• 1:08:12
  To harm shareholder. Value or like exactly.
• 1:08:16
  That's the only. That's the only thing that
• 1:08:17
  pushes. They're totally allowed to do
• 1:08:19
  that. They can like.
• 1:08:20
  There's a few folks like that. Would that that, well, I mean,
• 1:08:26
  they just make the methodologies on these platforms sort of like
• 1:08:28
  if you want to grow really fast, you can buy that growth too,
• 1:08:31
  which is kind of gross. I think that's a little
• 1:08:34
  dangerous because. You're like, you're supposed to
• 1:08:36
  be this like. Free democratic platform idea.
• 1:08:39
  The digital stuff is supposed to be like your, your dollars don't
• 1:08:42
  matter. And now it's like, yeah, but
• 1:08:44
  they kind of do. Because if you'll notice the
• 1:08:46
  people with like really popular podcast, they tend to look like
• 1:08:48
  they have a lot of money sitting around to do these podcasts.
• 1:08:51
  People that have people that have shows that come out of
• 1:08:53
  nowhere, all the power to you. But like, it's not it.
• 1:08:59
  The platform is not being fair in the way that I think their
• 1:09:02
  mission was established in a sense to allow for those sort of
• 1:09:05
  things. Like that's that we're going to
• 1:09:07
  get right. All we're going to do is we're
• 1:09:08
  going to get back in the consolidated media again.
• 1:09:10
  Give it like 10 years. So at least on the AI stuff and
• 1:09:14
  and stuff like the flood of content is almost good to see
• 1:09:16
  because maybe it goes away in five years. 10 years, correct.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, I played and. I have to go down on this.
• 1:09:24
  I played a few days ago with the boasting of post on Instagram.
• 1:09:31
  You can invest up to 20. €1000 per.
• 1:09:34
  Day. Oh easy, yes it would be on.
• 1:09:39
  Product teams and we would spend insanity dollars like insanity
• 1:09:44
  dollars on these on these platforms like there's there's a
• 1:09:48
  company that just disclosed financials they're doing like I
• 1:09:51
  want to say it's 300 and some thousand a day in Facebook ads
• 1:09:54
  and you're like, yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:09:57
  And to get the numbers where you're like, why not go buy TV
• 1:10:00
  ads? And, and that's usually that's
• 1:10:01
  you. That's why that's cost is so
• 1:10:03
  expensive because you had, you have big companies coming in and
• 1:10:08
  investing on that, where it's like Coca Coca-Cola will buy
• 1:10:11
  those ad slots too. And, and they're, they're,
• 1:10:14
  they're exhausting like $100 million annual ad budget.
• 1:10:18
  Like they, they, they're exhausting it.
• 1:10:19
  They've bought everything they can buy.
• 1:10:21
  They've bought all the magazine placements that makes sense.
• 1:10:23
  Billboards like bus stops like crazy, television ads, movie
• 1:10:28
  placements, like of course they're going to buy an
• 1:10:30
  Instagram and they're going to pop the price up for everybody
• 1:10:33
  else. Like the price per view is
• 1:10:35
  insane. I don't, I don't really know how
• 1:10:37
  people unless you have a free product or rather if you, unless
• 1:10:41
  you have a product that costs you nothing, your cost of goods
• 1:10:43
  sold is 0 and then on the other end of it, you're making like
• 1:10:47
  $500 a profit. I don't know how anybody really
• 1:10:50
  makes money on these places buying ads, but this is how it's
• 1:10:54
  normally happening. Great because they are pushing.
• 1:10:57
  It for 2-3 weeks. They are having a insanely low
• 1:11:00
  cost of of production in in Asia and then they're selling for an
• 1:11:05
  extra for a huge $500 apiece because they call it an extra
• 1:11:09
  quality from Germany. Just just stick a label on it
• 1:11:12
  and say they are produced in Germany and that's it.
• 1:11:16
  They're boxed in Germany. They're label.
• 1:11:18
  They're labeled in. Germany.
• 1:11:19
  And that's exactly. I love the.
• 1:11:22
  I love the. Statement on the iPhone boxes
• 1:11:24
  design assembled in China and designed in California.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:30
  What can I say? Let's.
• 1:11:32
  Move back to Enoch. Much interesting topic.
• 1:11:38
  What do you think? Who do you?
• 1:11:42
  Think was Enoch. And why do you think his his
• 1:11:46
  role is so significant? Well, I I think Enoch is a name.
• 1:11:51
  At the end of the day, and, and it's more like a title or, or,
• 1:11:55
  or a descriptive name and, and who he was based on his, based
• 1:11:59
  on like what we have in there is he's, he's a, he's a great,
• 1:12:02
  great, great, great, great, great grandchild of, of, of
• 1:12:05
  Adam, the first man that he's like in this, this uninterrupted
• 1:12:11
  line. And I think, I think he was a
• 1:12:14
  king. That's my opinion, but I think
• 1:12:17
  he was essentially like a king or a ruler.
• 1:12:21
  And he he lived in this pre flood, you know, period.
• 1:12:28
  Well, I, I think what's really why it's so important is because
• 1:12:31
  it's not like he only shows up in this one book and goes away
• 1:12:37
  like he's in the traditional Bible.
• 1:12:39
  He's he's he's mentioned there. He's quoted, you know, I'm like
• 1:12:43
  Jude, I think like he's quoted that Jesus knew about him.
• 1:12:48
  He's quoting him like he but he's not just in that culture.
• 1:12:54
  There's a story out of summer where you have the same thing,
• 1:12:59
  this great, great, great, great, great, great whatever child of
• 1:13:02
  the first king, and his name is Emin and Duranki.
• 1:13:07
  Or it could be Durana, but either way it's a Sumerian
• 1:13:11
  compound name. It's a tidelary name in a sense,
• 1:13:15
  like the, the, the words there mean the bridge between heaven
• 1:13:20
  and the sky. That's what the King's name
• 1:13:23
  meant. He was the bridge between the,
• 1:13:26
  between the earth and the, and the sky, the sky, the heaven,
• 1:13:30
  which is exactly Enoch's story. And he's like in the same slot.
• 1:13:33
  And so I think he's, he's a, he's a global figure in a sense.
• 1:13:37
  Like he, he's remembered in multiple cultures and he he was
• 1:13:43
  an interface between us and them.
• 1:13:48
  And I don't have a good like idea of what the them fully
• 1:13:52
  extends out to. Like I think it does not.
• 1:13:56
  It does not a person. I think it was a person or a
• 1:14:00
  court. Or.
• 1:14:02
  Like a court in the like the kind of in the sense of like a
• 1:14:06
  group of people, like a group of high-ranking officials.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah, I think he was he was a figurehead of something there,
• 1:14:14
  if that makes sense. Like he was, he was the that the
• 1:14:17
  human delegation in a sense. Because I, I feel like we, we,
• 1:14:22
  the story we got from sounds so political.
• 1:14:26
  Well, I don't think it's political.
• 1:14:27
  I think I think it's more like. Humans were like the zoo animals
• 1:14:31
  in a sense, and still are. And and they're smart.
• 1:14:34
  We're smart. So we deserve representation and
• 1:14:37
  we have a purpose and a place. It's just if we're trying to
• 1:14:41
  measure power and the ability to control planets, we're way lower
• 1:14:46
  than whatever these other things are.
• 1:14:49
  And you you have. I mean, it's like he's, he's.
• 1:14:52
  He's, he's representing the human interests in these
• 1:14:57
  problems in a sense, OK. You mentioned no, Would you
• 1:15:11
  mind? Explaining the the Shepherd's
• 1:15:15
  vision. Oh, the vision of the shepherds.
• 1:15:19
  Yeah. OK, I'll try.
• 1:15:20
  I I don't have a book right in front of me, but I'm going to
• 1:15:25
  try. So, Enoch.
• 1:15:27
  'S got some visions that he has like he has.
• 1:15:29
  Dreams, and they're, they're pretty colorful and he, he, he
• 1:15:31
  writes them down and one of these visions is of the future.
• 1:15:35
  Like that tends to be how prophecies work.
• 1:15:37
  They're of the future. There's no real limit on future
• 1:15:41
  though, right? Like there's no, you can't say
• 1:15:43
  like he didn't put a date on these things and, and say it.
• 1:15:46
  And at this point this will happen.
• 1:15:47
  So he has this really weird vision where he sees something
• 1:15:53
  like a shepherd whose shepherd? So shepherds, you know, like
• 1:15:57
  pasturing sheep. And that he, he keeps seeing
• 1:16:01
  more and more shepherds. Like he's seeing like here's a
• 1:16:04
  shepherd, here's a shepherd, here's a shepherd, here's a
• 1:16:06
  shepherd until he sees 35 of them.
• 1:16:09
  And this is like all in like 1 paragraph.
• 1:16:12
  So he's like really quick to get to this number of 35 and then he
• 1:16:15
  goes and on the 36th shepherd, this flock is corrupted.
• 1:16:23
  And it's corrupted. By kind of a symbolic group of
• 1:16:26
  birds like kites, I think a Raven, but just a symbolic group
• 1:16:33
  of animals that that are to say like these animals showed up and
• 1:16:35
  somehow corrupted this flock of of of that the shepherd's flock
• 1:16:40
  led by an eagle and it's a weird.
• 1:16:45
  Vision at the end of the day. OK, it made it in here.
• 1:16:49
  I don't, you know, you see this stuff in Scripture from time to
• 1:16:52
  time where it's a it's essentially a dream that needs
• 1:16:55
  to be interpreted. And if you look at it from the
• 1:16:58
  outside, I guess that. The main points.
• 1:17:00
  Are 35. There's a shepherd, a leader. 35
• 1:17:04
  liters in a row, Totally fine. 36 liter definitely a problem.
• 1:17:08
  Corruption slips in corrupted forever after, basically in the
• 1:17:13
  translation that we were, we were, we were.
• 1:17:15
  Working with the. Translator had thought this had
• 1:17:18
  to do with something called the Maccabean revolt and plays and
• 1:17:22
  other scholars had thought the same thing.
• 1:17:25
  And that was in a set of events that took place near the penning
• 1:17:27
  of the book near near around 302 hundred BC, near the time this
• 1:17:31
  this book shows up in ink essentially.
• 1:17:35
  And I didn't know that, I guess. This is the best way to decide
• 1:17:40
  what. This is like, I was a little
• 1:17:42
  like, I'm just going to go see something.
• 1:17:44
  And I, I, I, for some reason, I thought to myself, well,
• 1:17:47
  shepherds and sheep, this sounds really like Catholic dogma
• 1:17:53
  stuff, man. Like Saint Peter's Basilica.
• 1:17:57
  You got this big sheep up on the wall like it's giant.
• 1:18:02
  Nobody sees it until you get perfectly lined up and say a
• 1:18:04
  stair that way. There's the eyes, there's the
• 1:18:07
  puffy stuff. We know that this is like a
• 1:18:09
  shepherd thing. This is a shepherd cult in a
• 1:18:12
  sense, like going back for a while.
• 1:18:14
  So shepherds were seen as, as leaders, had been for a long
• 1:18:17
  time, shepherd kings even. And in the Catholic stuff, what
• 1:18:23
  you get is a whole crazy story. So we went and found a Pope list
• 1:18:27
  and I was like, I want to know a little bit more about the
• 1:18:30
  Catholic stuff to see if there's a connection here because I just
• 1:18:33
  had a idea. And we end up finding that there
• 1:18:37
  are 35 popes from Pope one to Pope 35 that are All Saints.
• 1:18:44
  Meaning the churches like acknowledged 3 good deeds
• 1:18:48
  essentially and turn them into Saints.
• 1:18:49
  Saints are like an interface with the Catholics like you, you
• 1:18:52
  can pray to a St. Like it's you don't have to pray
• 1:18:55
  to Christ. You can pray, pray to Saint you
• 1:18:57
  know, Theresa you know and the 36th not a St.
• 1:19:07
  So the story of. How the 36th Pope gets to not be
• 1:19:13
  a St. is bananas. And so the 36th guy, his name is
• 1:19:18
  Liberius and and he and he's a Pope that was in place.
• 1:19:24
  I want to say it's like 27060AD and like he's he's there and the
• 1:19:35
  Catholics are are they're fine at this point.
• 1:19:38
  They're no longer like Christians are no longer being
• 1:19:40
  haunted down everywhere. And in fact, Constanius the
• 1:19:43
  second I think is the Pope is the emperor that's in and he is
• 1:19:47
  trying to change some things in the Catholic Church.
• 1:19:51
  Like he he he has a belief. There's like two ways to see the
• 1:19:56
  Trinity that does the Trinity exist or does it not?
• 1:19:59
  Is is God, is God really three things at once or, or is is
• 1:20:04
  Jesus just a separate thing? And it's like they're fighting
• 1:20:06
  over this. And this was enough of a fight
• 1:20:09
  to basically get Liberia's to go into exile.
• 1:20:11
  And there's a bunch of other stuff they're trying to change
• 1:20:13
  too, like, but he has to go into exile.
• 1:20:15
  He's like one of the first popes that has to just like take off
• 1:20:18
  and go into exile. And while he's in exile, there's
• 1:20:21
  all sorts of bad stuff happening.
• 1:20:23
  Like people are forging his letters and.
• 1:20:25
  He, he, he took a couple of people with him and and, and,
• 1:20:28
  and da da, da, da. And, and he's being told like, I
• 1:20:30
  don't think you're going to be able to come back, you know, so
• 1:20:34
  we're going to have to pick. A new Pope and you're.
• 1:20:37
  Essentially an anti Pope. You're like the first anti Pope,
• 1:20:39
  sorry. And yeah, yeah, all of a sudden.
• 1:20:42
  Like political stuff? Political.
• 1:20:44
  Ideologies and beliefs and he's, he's he, I guess agrees to this.
• 1:20:49
  And unfortunately for him, he says, I would like, you know,
• 1:20:54
  I'd like a say in, in who continues the church here.
• 1:20:58
  And he picked the guy named Arsenius and he goes, I would, I
• 1:21:02
  think this is who you should be The Who should be the next Pope.
• 1:21:04
  Like without a doubt, a lot of the Cardinals agreed, like a lot
• 1:21:07
  of the, the, the voting people all agreed.
• 1:21:10
  There was someone else who was running though named, named
• 1:21:15
  Damasus and Arsenius. And the masses were kind of the
• 1:21:22
  two forerunners up until a few days before the voting takes
• 1:21:25
  place and all the stuff, the transitions take place in which
• 1:21:29
  the there was just like a slaughter of the Arsenius's
• 1:21:32
  supporters. Over 100 died, killed in the
• 1:21:36
  streets. The Roman prefects had to be
• 1:21:37
  called in. The emperor slammed his fist
• 1:21:39
  down and made sure that they took a vote.
• 1:21:41
  And then when they voted, they voted the masses in.
• 1:21:45
  And so when they brought the masses in, the masses is the
• 1:21:48
  reason, Well, the, well, the masses is the reason we have the
• 1:21:51
  Catholic Church of today, without a doubt.
• 1:21:54
  So he's the 36th in this thing. And what he brought in was the
• 1:21:59
  Vulgate. That's the big one that the
• 1:22:01
  Bible, the standard Bible and, and he allowed for like a bunch
• 1:22:07
  of these regional synods to kick up a bunch of authoritative
• 1:22:11
  rules and things that would change the way that the religion
• 1:22:16
  structured and worked and consolidated power.
• 1:22:22
  And, and, and what we see is like, right, right, as right as
• 1:22:26
  he's taking power, he's, you know, like these regional synods
• 1:22:30
  were these councils that there's particularly one called Laudicha
• 1:22:35
  are, are doing things like that have never been done before.
• 1:22:38
  And you don't realize they've never been done before until you
• 1:22:40
  read this, this council's notes and you're and, and like out of
• 1:22:43
  out of Laudicha, they came up with like 60 canons.
• 1:22:46
  And some of them are kind of benign, but they're weird that
• 1:22:49
  they're in there. They're like, you can't take
• 1:22:51
  food from the, from the weekly dinners.
• 1:22:54
  They can't take any leftovers. And then there's another one
• 1:22:57
  like you can't dance at weddings.
• 1:23:00
  Like there's no, no more math like that.
• 1:23:04
  There's another one that's like that.
• 1:23:05
  You can't do any of this mathematical stuff.
• 1:23:08
  Don't do that. No more wearing amulets is
• 1:23:11
  another one. Don't you can't have, I think
• 1:23:15
  there's one that says like, you can't share bread with a Jew,
• 1:23:19
  which is weird. Hold on to what is it?
• 1:23:24
  You are forbidden from feasting with heathen persons.
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  So it's just weird stuff like this.
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  And then it's also like, oh, yeah, by the way, Canon 59 here
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  are all the books that you're allowed to read at the AT chart.
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  And there was. And if it's not on this list.
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  You can't read it. So it it, it be creates the,
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  the, the, the the problem where people think that all the books
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  are banned from the Bible. They're not banned.
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  They're simply not on the list. And that all starts right there.
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  So his shepherd vision is sort of this it's it's it's seeing
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  that there's going to be because we have to tie in that I think
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  like he is that there's dead on the money.
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  Jesus Christ energy all over that book of Enoch like he
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  doesn't say Jesus. He doesn't say Christ.
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  He says the elect 1 he says the Lord of spirits.
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  It's all there. You know for anybody willing to
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  put it together that this is this is heavily influential in
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  in the folks that saw Christ of Nazareth show up that it's it's
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  why like they would have read this and then like this is the
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  guy. But then to think that 30, you
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  know, like that he's saying once this all gets set up, man, and
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  35 you're going to have 35 good leaders and then the 36th is
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  going to be a big problem. To have it line up historically
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  so tightly is wild like like it it it's almost like without the
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  masses. If that had never had happened,
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  you don't know if the religion of the Christian, the
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  Christianity, forget Catholicism, if Christianity
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  would have become what it is today.
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  But I can tell you without that, I can see a lot of the bigotry
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  eroding and a lot of because it's just crazy rules that only
• 1:25:05
  show up, you know, over here and, and, and people don't know
• 1:25:09
  that there's really no scriptural basis for any of
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  these rules. They're just, we're just going
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  to say stuff and make up rules because it's how we want our
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  club to run. This is where you get the whole
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  concept of like, women can't take the altar.
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  And you're like, well, this wasn't the case before this.
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  That's why they're making a rule.
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  That's why they have to make the rule.
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  They're not trying to. Like they're trying they're.
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  Preventing what's happening naturally is what is why you
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  make rules. Like I don't, I don't, I have
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  kids and like, I don't just like come up with rules for them.
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  I, I wait until somebody, you know, spills ice cream on the
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  couch and I'm like, no more food on the couch guys.
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  Like that's the end of food on the couch.
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  Like you got to have it at the table.
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  I don't just go out there and say stuff, you know, without it
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  being a thing. So I think, I think that it was
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  a it was exactly what Enoch saw. It was, it was the eagle coming
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  in and, and, and, and leading a bunch of, you know, factions
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  because the eagle is so tightly associated with the Romans.
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  Like even when the, the 2300 piece 2300 years ago, the, the
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  eagle in Romans pretty much there.
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  And that and the Roman influence on this whole situation is like
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  off the charts. It's after cards.
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  Man, I. I have.
• 1:26:31
  Less words left. I'm the the the the.
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  The. Problem is always like.
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  When you read it at first. When you when you told the
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  story. I thought, OK, it's a it's a
• 1:26:48
  vision, like the vision which is there, but that it makes sense.
• 1:26:53
  So exactly that everything is matchable.
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  And what is the first one who did this research?
• 1:27:00
  I don't know. I don't know.
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  I tend to be like. I try to, I try to not go out
• 1:27:08
  looking too hard because if I find something tangential that's
• 1:27:12
  close to it and off the mark, I don't want to go out and correct
• 1:27:15
  somebody's research, if that makes sense.
• 1:27:19
  It's entirely possible. I, I think we might be the first
• 1:27:21
  group going out and talking about the 10,000 year thing, the
• 1:27:25
  5000 year thing and the Shepherd thing.
• 1:27:29
  I think we might be, but I'm not entirely sure, man.
• 1:27:33
  But because this is. This is.
• 1:27:35
  This is such an. Great discovery from my point of
• 1:27:39
  view and it it should be more popular.
• 1:27:44
  Greg, I don't know how to say it in God's ears.
• 1:27:50
  I mean potentially like I, I think there's.
• 1:27:52
  Always ways to look at anything that's this old and try to
• 1:27:55
  interpret it. So I know there's, I think
• 1:27:58
  that's maybe where we, I think it's anyone you talk to, as long
• 1:28:03
  as they're not regurgitating like somebody else's opinion on
• 1:28:06
  it, they're going to have everyone's going to have a
• 1:28:08
  different interpretation of these things.
• 1:28:10
  And so we just get to present this interpretation and if it,
• 1:28:13
  if it were completely true, which I, I tend to think that
• 1:28:16
  especially the shepherd vision is just like, blow your pants
• 1:28:18
  off true. It's like, what do you even do
• 1:28:20
  with that? Other than saying like, Hey,
• 1:28:23
  Catholic folks, just so you know, like your church has got
• 1:28:29
  corrupted, like right around there.
• 1:28:32
  Go search, go look, this is, you know, Council of Rome territory.
• 1:28:37
  This is like council Adich like this.
• 1:28:40
  These are things that you can look at that and think that
• 1:28:42
  maybe a bad force did that. What if?
• 1:28:46
  What if that's what's written in the those hidden files?
• 1:28:49
  In Vatican, which they don't want to publish possibly I, I, I
• 1:28:52
  think it's not just that it's, it's more.
• 1:28:54
  I think it's, they have more clear knowledge of the doctrines
• 1:28:59
  and I think they have, I think they have a more for sure
• 1:29:01
  knowledge of like why we have a flesh body and why our
• 1:29:06
  consciousness seems to persist in and out of the flesh body.
• 1:29:09
  Like as a feature, you know, with people that can do like
• 1:29:12
  astral projection, people that have near death experiences,
• 1:29:15
  like it's, I think they have a lot of clarity on things like
• 1:29:19
  that that sets them up to not want to share it too much
• 1:29:23
  because it, it, it's exclusively important to them and nobody
• 1:29:28
  else. I guess their control, like
• 1:29:30
  their controllers, right? Like end of the day at the end
• 1:29:34
  that's what's important information is.
• 1:29:36
  Power and I. Think it's clear that what you
• 1:29:41
  are trying to do here is to try to get whatever is your
• 1:29:44
  understanding of those and whatever it makes sense from
• 1:29:47
  your point of view to put it out there for everyone to to have it
• 1:29:50
  available. And I think that's something
• 1:29:52
  which is so important to this world, like to to understand
• 1:29:56
  that we are not discovering the wheel again, to understand that
• 1:29:59
  we are we have seen stuff that existed in the past.
• 1:30:02
  We have we and we have to have this open minds to to accept the
• 1:30:07
  things which are which sound sounds a bit different than what
• 1:30:11
  we are used to. We have to.
• 1:30:15
  Exactly, I think if we. Work at this hard enough.
• 1:30:18
  We're going to find. The big answers and I I.
• 1:30:24
  Guess like a lot. Of working with the Book of
• 1:30:26
  Enoch was was like, can we believe this or not?
• 1:30:31
  Does that. Yeah, it makes sense.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, and it makes sense like, well, if these parts are kind of
• 1:30:36
  checking out, then what about all this other stuff like is it
• 1:30:41
  all going to be true? See, I don't follow.
• 1:30:43
  I personally don't like have a belief that everything written
• 1:30:46
  in a book is going to be true. Like I I I think that it's going
• 1:30:49
  to be a mixture of things unless you can talk to the author and
• 1:30:53
  these older books, I think they're mixtures of parables,
• 1:30:56
  like parallel stories and, you know, things to get points
• 1:30:59
  across. And then there's going to be
• 1:31:00
  like some really hard stuff, hard data in there.
• 1:31:04
  And that I think if we have that the mentality more that it's
• 1:31:09
  valid to kind of like try to piece history together through
• 1:31:12
  these things and use that as a scaffold to go looking for
• 1:31:16
  things. Then then that I think that's
• 1:31:19
  what we're supposed to do. That's I think that's that's how
• 1:31:21
  we're supposed to see these things.
• 1:31:22
  It's, it's like this famous story with Troy being like a
• 1:31:26
  mythical city forever, forever, forever up until like the 1970s
• 1:31:31
  or 80s or something when we dug it like, and, but they, until we
• 1:31:34
  found it, we didn't know the, you know, like everybody just
• 1:31:37
  thought it was just a myth. And it's, and so it's kind of
• 1:31:40
  the story with Atlantis and stuff like this.
• 1:31:42
  Like people think it's a myth and it's like, well, if it's
• 1:31:44
  not, though, that would be a pretty big thing to go find like
• 1:31:47
  that Seems like they have some technologies that we don't have.
• 1:31:51
  Like that's always the. Point that we have to admit.
• 1:31:56
  We have to admit. That we don't know anything, we
• 1:31:59
  don't know everything, sorry. And at the end we don't know
• 1:32:02
  anything, we don't know much. We know only the things that we
• 1:32:05
  know and that's everything that it's outside of that closed
• 1:32:10
  circuit. It sounds crazy at the beginning
• 1:32:13
  and everything that we have today is is given, it sounded
• 1:32:16
  crazy at the beginning, everything.
• 1:32:18
  And that's we have to have to open mind to discuss about these
• 1:32:21
  things. Greg, we have to call this an
• 1:32:24
  episode again and we have to do another one.
• 1:32:28
  Oh, you got me. I got me real.
• 1:32:31
  That's for another one. OK, OK, Twist my arm.
• 1:32:35
  Thank you. For the thank you for the third
• 1:32:37
  one, man. Man, it's, it's a, it's an
• 1:32:39
  insane pleasure to have to have these conversations with you.
• 1:32:43
  And I, I, I, I cannot get enough of them.
• 1:32:47
  I, I'm, it's purely honesty now. So I I really enjoyed talking
• 1:32:53
  with you all too. So.
• 1:32:54
  We we will get on. We will get on.
• 1:32:56
  What's this going to be a fourth one?
• 1:32:57
  OK, we'll get a fourth one set up.
• 1:32:59
  You twist in my arm. Absolutely.
• 1:33:02
  I'm sorry for that. I have to do this and I.
• 1:33:04
  Hope the police will not get me for that, Greg.
• 1:33:10
  Guys. Thanks so much.
• 1:33:11
  See you at the next one. All right.
• 1:33:13
  Thanks man. Have a nice one.
• 1:33:15
  Bye.