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The Kenny Report | 18 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The government under fire over ISIS brides and it finally
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Speaker 2: acts to block one woman's return for a month. Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson under fire for her slur against all Muslims.
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Speaker 1: She'll join me live.
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Speaker 2: The ABC turns on its own for highlighting Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 1: I'll unpack that for you.
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Speaker 2: The looney left making fools of themselves in American politics,
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Speaker 2: plus Middle East security, reckless renewables, social media bands tied
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Speaker 2: and emotional reporters.
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Speaker 1: We've got it all.
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Speaker 2: Tonight with Tom Switzer, Justin Smith, and Denika de Georgio.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. The controversy, preparations and political controversy over
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Speaker 2: the so called ISIS brides and their children trying to
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Speaker 2: travel from Syria to Australia continues. It is under stood
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Speaker 2: that eleven families are involved with thirty four people and
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Speaker 2: that they hope to travel via Damascus to Australia in
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Speaker 2: coming days. These would be the former wives and children
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Speaker 2: of Islamic State terrorists who have either been killed or
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Speaker 2: have themselves returned to Australia or remain in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: We just don't know, but we do know security agencies
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Speaker 2: have concerns about some of the women involved. Before I
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Speaker 2: go to the ongoing debate here in Australia, though, let
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Speaker 2: me give you an insight into the Syrian camps from
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Speaker 2: which these families are attempting to travel.
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Speaker 1: Who is there and what is going on.
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Speaker 2: The Australian ISIS brides are based at the Roj camp
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Speaker 2: and a year ago the US NBC networks they reported
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Speaker 2: from the associated ol Whole camp. Detainees have been moved
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Speaker 2: between these two associated camps. This is a camp really
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Speaker 2: of no return, and it's been described as a ticking
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Speaker 2: time bomb that the next generation of ISIS is here.
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Speaker 1: Many of the children appear to be extremely radical. They're
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Speaker 1: all saying one day I hope to kill you. One
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Speaker 1: day I want to slit your throat.
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Speaker 3: The longer we stayed, the more aggressive the children became.
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Speaker 1: Here come the stones. I'm going to move to another.
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Speaker 2: Area, no matter how well intentioned you are.
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Speaker 1: This is deeply worrying.
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Speaker 2: Thirty four people coming from this background, from years of war,
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Speaker 2: terrorism and Islamist extremism coming into our country. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister over the past two days has tried to sound tough,
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Speaker 2: but it's not quite what it seems.
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Speaker 4: We are doing nothing to repatriate or to assist these people.
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Speaker 4: I think it's unfortunate that children are caught up in this.
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Speaker 4: That's not their decision, but it's the decision of their
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Speaker 4: parents or their mother. And we want to make sure
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Speaker 4: that we continue to be very clear about the government's position,
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Speaker 4: and I can't be clearer.
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Speaker 5: You'd imagine that ors camp in Syria has confirmed the
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Speaker 5: thirty four women and children have received passports, so including
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Speaker 5: governments held in that respect.
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Speaker 4: No people are having an implementation of Australian law, is
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Speaker 4: what is happening. We're providing no assistance to these people
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Speaker 4: and won't provide any assistance to these people, but we
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Speaker 4: won't breach Australian law.
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Speaker 2: Alban Easy is trying to have it both ways, saying
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Speaker 2: the government is doing nothing to help, but saying it
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Speaker 2: won't breach the law. In other words, he's admitted that
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Speaker 2: Australia has provided passports or travel documents for the isis
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Speaker 2: bride and their children otherwise that have no hope of
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Speaker 2: entering the country. The Coalition says these people, both the
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Speaker 2: Australian women returning and children attempting to come to Australia
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Speaker 2: for the first time should be blocked under temporary exclusion powers.
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Speaker 6: Now it is possible, depending on the individual circumstances of
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Speaker 6: each of these people, that they have committed offenses well overseas.
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Speaker 1: It appears that they're.
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Speaker 6: Associated with the listed terrorist organization ISIS, which is a crime.
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Speaker 6: It is possible that they breach the Declared Area Provisions,
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Speaker 6: which was which prevented Australians from going to Iraq and
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Speaker 6: Syria during the period of Islamic State. And it's also
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Speaker 6: possible that while they were there they participated in the
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Speaker 6: crimes of ISIS.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 6: All of those things need to be established by the courts,
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Speaker 6: but a temporary exclusion order gives police the time to
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Speaker 6: build a case so they can be charged if they
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Speaker 6: come home.
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Speaker 1: Look, there's much yet to transpire here.
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Speaker 2: First and foremost, we need to see whether the thirty
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Speaker 2: four travelers can get out of Syria get on a
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Speaker 2: flight to a Labour is trying to distance itself from
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Speaker 2: the issue and outsource it to security and immigration authorities
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Speaker 2: instead of taking control and responsibility itself. Yet, according to reports,
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Speaker 2: the repatriation exercise is being coordinated by a close associate
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Speaker 2: of Immigration Minister Tony Burke. Doctor Jamal Riffee is a
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Speaker 2: leading Lebanese Muslim community member in Sydney who headed up
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Speaker 2: Friends of Burke to try to help him at the
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Speaker 2: last election. At the moment, he's believed to be in
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Speaker 2: Syria coordinating the returns, but he's not returning my calls
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Speaker 2: or messages. The Opposition wants to know much more about
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Speaker 2: all of this.
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Speaker 6: That's not a propriate thing for a private citizen to
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Speaker 6: be doing. And it's particularly concerning given how close doctor
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Speaker 6: Iffe is to the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. He
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Speaker 6: was the chair of the Friends of Burke. He ran
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Speaker 6: a political campaign to support Tony Burke's reelection as a
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Speaker 6: local member, and they're known to have a close, long
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Speaker 6: standing relationship. So did he give Tony Burke a heads
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Speaker 6: up that he was doing this? Not that I believe,
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Speaker 6: I have no expectation that he has. But did he
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Speaker 6: tell Tony Burke that he was doing this? Did Tony
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Speaker 6: Burke give him a green light in the same way
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Speaker 6: he gave Save the Children a green light in that
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Speaker 6: secret meeting for a previous repatriation operation. These are questions
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Speaker 6: that Tony Burke hasn't answered, but must answer, and must
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Speaker 6: answer today.
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Speaker 2: Late today, the Immigration Minister said he had not spoken
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Speaker 2: with doctor Riffe about his plans and he had no
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Speaker 2: knowledge of them. Tony Burke also revealed that the government
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Speaker 2: has slapped a one month temporary exclusion ban on one
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Speaker 2: of the women involved. Burke says this happened on the
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Speaker 2: advice of security agencies. We're left to wonder now whether
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Speaker 2: even this would have happened without opposition, criticism and pressure.
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Speaker 2: We expect governments to make hard calls on difficult dilemmas,
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Speaker 2: but yet again Albany, he sounds more like a spectator
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Speaker 2: than a prime minister. With the Coalition finally taking a
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Speaker 2: strong stand here, it's way beyond time for the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister to show some leadership on national security and social cohesion.
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Speaker 2: I've got to do something unusual here and stand up
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Speaker 2: for the ABC against the ABC. I've noticed a couple
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Speaker 2: of people on this station and on radio praising the
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Speaker 2: ABC's Media Watch program for daring to criticize another ABC program.
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Speaker 1: I beg to differ.
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Speaker 2: Media Watch, being the ideological gatekeeper that it tends to
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Speaker 2: be for ABC journalists, has unfairly attacked another ABC program,
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Speaker 2: Four Corners, probably because it dared to reveal some truths
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Speaker 2: about Islamist extremism. This is a topic the Green Left
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Speaker 2: journalist that the ABC usually run a million.
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Speaker 1: Miles away from. Let me explain.
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Speaker 2: Last week four Corners ran an excellent program about the
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Speaker 2: Bondai massacre. Now, the motivations and affiliations of the Bondai
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Speaker 2: gunment will be questions to be determined by a jury,
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Speaker 2: of course, but this piece was groundbreaking. It was important,
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Speaker 2: and it was very unusual for the ABC because it
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Speaker 2: probed the core issue of Islamist extremism in this country.
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Speaker 2: This story revealed for the first time and in detail,
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Speaker 2: how the deceased Bondai gouvernment serjib Akram, had come under
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Speaker 2: ASIO surveillance from about six years ago because the spy
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Speaker 2: agency had been looking at his son Navid, currently in
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Speaker 2: jail facing terrorism charges.
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Speaker 1: We'll create for you, brother.
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Speaker 7: We'll preat to over a lot and on the first
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Speaker 7: is the flam glovelier.
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Speaker 1: We have briefing man, what if exs we do?
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Speaker 2: Four Corners showed the young Navid preaching in the streets
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Speaker 2: of Sydney, and it interviewed a friend who said Navid
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Speaker 2: at the time had developed strong beliefs. Now none of
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Speaker 2: this is in dispute. ASIO confirmed it had been watching
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Speaker 2: Sajid and Navid Akram, It investigated them until twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: and it now stands by its assessment that at that
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Speaker 2: time they considered the father and son did not pose
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Speaker 2: a risk of violence.
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Speaker 1: Still, Sajid later received a.
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Speaker 2: Gun license, and no flags were raised when the pair
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Speaker 2: traveled to the Philippines last year. This is all highly relevant,
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Speaker 2: factual reporting and very much in the public interest. Four
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Speaker 2: Corners also explained how hardline Muslim preachers have recruited people
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Speaker 2: and spread extremist messages on our shores. This is why
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Speaker 2: I praised four Corners. It dared to confront the threat
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Speaker 2: of Islam's extremism and how it operates in Australia, something
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Speaker 2: we haven't seen enough of from the ABC enter media Watch.
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Speaker 2: On Monday, Media Watch criticized Four Corners for not revealing
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Speaker 2: early enough in the story or prominently enough that one
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Speaker 2: crucial source, a former AZIO agent and an expert commentator
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Speaker 2: used in the program, both had outstanding gripes and legal
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Speaker 2: issues with ASIO, who cares that's hardly the point. The
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Speaker 2: central facts relayed by the sources and the reporter remain unchallenged.
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Speaker 2: They are critically important facts. If it embarrasses ASIO for
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Speaker 2: all of us to know it had been watching people
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Speaker 2: and not take an action years before an alleged terror attack,
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Speaker 2: well that's tough luck. It's important for us to know.
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Speaker 2: We all need to learn our lessons. Four corners provided
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Speaker 2: much needed prep transparency, and it seems others that the
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Speaker 2: ABC just wanted to slap them down a bit for
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Speaker 2: being a bit too honest about the insidious threat of
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Speaker 2: Islamists extremism and how we need to be ever vigilant.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: If the climate alarmists didn't have publicly funded media like
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Speaker 2: Australia's ABC and the UK's BBC, then that have to
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Speaker 2: invent them, wouldn't they Nothing excites the public broadcasters more
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Speaker 2: than climate alarmism, and nothing gets the alarmis more excited
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Speaker 2: than polar bears and Australia's Great Barrier REEF.
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Speaker 1: So when the BBC ran this story.
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Speaker 2: Last year about the worst coral decline on record, it
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Speaker 2: was more of the same Parts of the REEF have
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Speaker 2: suffered the largest annual decline since records began nearly forty
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Speaker 2: years ago.
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Speaker 1: It said, yep, that is par for the course.
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Speaker 2: Rumors about the death of the Great Barrier reef are
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Speaker 2: repeated almost every year, But on this occasion some un
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Speaker 2: lodged a complaint against the BBC, saying that the story
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Speaker 2: about the worst choral decline, taken with the headline, gave
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Speaker 2: a misleading impression because the article omitted the information that
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Speaker 2: the coraal coverage had been at record highs and so
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Speaker 2: even after the decline, the coral coverage was at its
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Speaker 2: fourth highest on record. Incredible stuff, isn't it. They focused
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Speaker 2: on the decline without telling us that the coraal coverage
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Speaker 2: was actually very good. The BBC's Complaints authority agreed, but
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Speaker 2: it noted the article had been updated now, so the
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Speaker 2: matter is resolved.
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Speaker 1: Great, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: You only get the relevant facts after you find them
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Speaker 2: yourself and make a complaint to the BBC. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the facts are not hard to find. The scientific report
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Speaker 2: that the BBC story was based on by the Australian
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Speaker 2: Institute of Marine Science, it said right at the start
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Speaker 2: that the reef had declined substantially from high levels back
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Speaker 2: to near long term average levels. But the last thing
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Speaker 2: your average climate alarmist is interested in is facts. And
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Speaker 2: while we're on leftist media, let me show you something
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Speaker 2: quite delightful from the US. Remember when the looney lefties
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Speaker 2: of the view that's the American Show, which is kind
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Speaker 2: of a TV version of the Teals, Well, when they
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Speaker 2: thought the Epstein files would do in Donald Trump, they
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Speaker 2: just wanted everything revealed immediately.
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Speaker 1: Here's a taste.
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Speaker 8: Bottom line is this, Release the damn files and release
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Speaker 8: them now, release everything.
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Speaker 9: If this does not implicate Donald Trump, why wouldn't you
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Speaker 9: say release everything. They absolutely have to show us what
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Speaker 9: they're all hiding. If there's nothing to hide, release it all.
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Speaker 10: You know, they should just say, listen, this is what
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Speaker 10: it is.
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Speaker 2: How about that whoopy Goldberg and the game wanted it
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Speaker 2: all out there unfiltered. Fast forward a little while, and
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Speaker 2: guess who's turned up in the files? None other than
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Speaker 2: Goldberg herself.
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Speaker 1: In other words, anybody can be on that. Anybody.
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Speaker 10: Well, this is my point, because I'm telling you when
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Speaker 10: I tell you, people are trying to turn me into
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Speaker 10: I wasn't his girlfriend. You used to have to have
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Speaker 10: facts before you said stuff.
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Speaker 1: But Trump is on the list.
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Speaker 8: Thirty eight thousand times.
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Speaker 10: Well, I can't speak to him, but I'm speaking about
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Speaker 10: me because I'm getting dragged. People actually believe that I
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Speaker 10: was with him.
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Speaker 1: Whoops, we'll be gott to mention.
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Speaker 2: And suddenly the chune changes on til TV or the view.
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Speaker 2: Now nobody is suggesting that Whoopy Goldberg has done anything
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Speaker 2: wrong here, of course, nothing except forgetting to think things through.
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Speaker 1: And while we're on lefty lunacy in the US.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the hard left star of the US Democrats,
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Speaker 2: Alexandria or Caseo Quartz, or AOC as she's known. She's
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Speaker 2: like an American Lydia Thorpe or Sarah Hanson Young and
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Speaker 2: for some unknown reasons, she decided to attend the Annual
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Speaker 2: Security Conference in Munich this week. AOC, floated by some
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Speaker 2: as a possible presidential candidate. Mind you, was asked perhaps
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Speaker 2: the most predictable question in global security, but they might
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Speaker 2: as well have asked her how to split.
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Speaker 11: The atom and Congress mus start with, you would and
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Speaker 11: should the US actually commit US troops to defend Taiwan
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Speaker 11: if China were to move?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that.
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Speaker 9: This is such a you know, I think that.
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Speaker 12: This is a.
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Speaker 9: This is, of course, the a very long standing policy
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Speaker 9: of the United States, and I think what we are
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Speaker 9: hoping for is that we want to make sure that
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Speaker 9: we never get to that point.
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Speaker 2: What a struggle account whitefilho to hauld the Cuds. At
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Speaker 2: least the Vice President enjoyed it.
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Speaker 13: Oh, you show me the most uncomfortable twenty seconds of
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Speaker 13: television I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: Might take away.
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Speaker 3: From them there, What do you think?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it's a person who doesn't know what
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Speaker 13: she actually thinks. And I've seen this way too much
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Speaker 13: in Washington with politicians, where they are given lines, and
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Speaker 13: when you ask them to go outside the lines they
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Speaker 13: were given, they completely fall apart.
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Speaker 1: Because look, does AOC. Does anybody really.
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Speaker 14: Believe that AOC has very thoughtful ideas about the global
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Speaker 14: world order or about what the United States should do
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Speaker 14: with our policy in Asia or our policy in Europe.
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Speaker 1: No, this is a person who is.
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Speaker 13: Mouthing the slogans that somebody else gave her.
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Speaker 2: Ain't that the truth slogans don't quite cut it now,
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Speaker 2: As you know, each week on this program, for a
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Speaker 2: long time I've caught up with Pauline Hanson. We haven't
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Speaker 2: always agreed, but we've always had fascinating and lively discussions.
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Speaker 2: Earlier this week, with One Nation riding high in the polls,
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Speaker 2: Hanson became the center of national controversy again when she
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Speaker 2: aired intolerant views about Muslims on Shari.
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Speaker 3: You know you say, oh, well, there's good Muslims out there.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm sorry, how can you tell me there are
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Speaker 8: good Muslims?
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Speaker 2: Sarry Markson, of course, pushed back against this view, and
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Speaker 2: Hansen has been widely criticized. But didn't Hanson put the
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Speaker 2: light of this slur that no Muslims are good herself.
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Speaker 2: Seven years ago when she ran a Muslim candidate in
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales state election, Hanson posted a conversation
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Speaker 2: to quell some disquiet from One Nation supporters.
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Speaker 8: We've had a lot of comments about you coming on
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Speaker 8: board as a candidate, and mostly because you're a Muslim.
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Speaker 8: Over the years, I've stood against Muslim spanning of Muslims
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Speaker 8: coming in the country.
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Speaker 3: I've questioned their ideology.
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Speaker 8: I can't stand extremism and everything you name it. Halal certification,
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Speaker 8: multiple marriages, central link payments, all these things.
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Speaker 3: I stand strongly.
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Speaker 12: By them, and I support everything you stand by because
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Speaker 12: that is un Australian.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson joins me now live from Queensland. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us, Paul Lnda, do you want to correct and
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Speaker 2: apologize for your comments that there are no such thing
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Speaker 2: as a good Muslim in Australia.
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Speaker 8: Let me put it this way. If there is a
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Speaker 8: person out there who is a Muslim and does not
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Speaker 8: support Sharia law, female circumcision, child marriages, who do not
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Speaker 8: support our culture, our way of life, and our laws,
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Speaker 8: then I apologize too. If my comment has offen ait you, Chris,
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Speaker 8: we can't determine and I'm not going to get into
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Speaker 8: the argument a good Muslim or a bad Muslim.
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Speaker 3: I'm sucher tight.
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Speaker 2: That's an argument you started because you said there are
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Speaker 2: no good Muslims in Australia. Now you've listed a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of beliefs and extreme Islam.
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Speaker 1: Yes, everybody's opposed.
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Speaker 8: My comments prior to that radical Islam. And then when
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Speaker 8: Shari called up and pulled it up and said, yes,
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Speaker 8: it is about the radical Islam that we haven't in
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Speaker 8: the country. She pulled me up and she said that,
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Speaker 8: and I refer to that.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I don't want us talking over each other because people
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Speaker 2: are very interested in this conversation. Yes, we all understand
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Speaker 2: and support opposition to Islamist extremism or radical Islam as
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Speaker 2: you put it, but I want you to just be
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Speaker 2: very clear. Do you accept that, of course this country
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Speaker 2: as nearly a million Muslims, that many or the overwhelming
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Speaker 2: majority of those Muslims are good people and good Australians.
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Speaker 8: I don't know that, Chris. Can you guarantee it when
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Speaker 8: we've got eighteen thousand people on asio watch list? Who
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Speaker 8: do I know who these people are? How do I
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Speaker 8: know the vetting process of people come in the country
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Speaker 8: and it's just not a Muslims. You know, we can
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Speaker 8: have other Australians here that I'm not Muslim, who are
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Speaker 8: not of good character coming into the country.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe that we vet the people enough that
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Speaker 3: come into the country.
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Speaker 8: And I'm concerned about and I will have my say
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Speaker 8: and you won't shut me down over this or many
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Speaker 8: other Australians.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 8: The highest thing that people are concerned about is security.
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Speaker 8: We are on a probable terrorist a threat. We have
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Speaker 8: seen what happened Bondo, We've seen other terrorists threats here
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Speaker 8: and also life's lost in this country. Islam is the
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Speaker 8: only religion of hate that we see this happening in
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Speaker 8: the country. Why do I have to be shut down
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Speaker 8: because you know, I'm concerned about the future of this name.
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Speaker 8: Why am I shut down because I'm concerned. I don't
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Speaker 8: want Australia to become like England. I don't want a
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Speaker 8: Caliphat caliphate across the world that they're pushing for. I
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Speaker 8: don't want to see sharia law. I don't want to
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Speaker 8: see the murkers worn by women. I don't want to
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Speaker 8: see female circumcision. I don't want to see these women
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Speaker 8: having child up the child at the taxpayer's expense. And
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Speaker 8: I will keep saying it, so you tell me you
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Speaker 8: know whether it is good or bad. I don't know
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Speaker 8: what these people think and what they will do if
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Speaker 8: the numbers grow as it has done in England and
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Speaker 8: France at the moment's four percent. But I tell you what,
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Speaker 8: if it gets more numbers than that, Chris, well, then
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Speaker 8: it might be a totally different country.
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Speaker 1: Pauline.
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Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything to try and shut you down.
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Speaker 2: I'll let you have a good say there now. Obviously
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Speaker 2: we are all concerned about certain elements of Islamists extremism.
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Speaker 2: But there are a million Muslims in this country. You've
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Speaker 2: talked about eighteen thousand people on an asy O watch list.
21:54
Speaker 2: They're not all Muslims. That's across all sorts of concerns.
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Speaker 2: But you said the other night that you scoffed at
22:01
Speaker 2: the idea of a good Muslim. Now that is grossly
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Speaker 2: insulting to nearly a million Australians. I just want to
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Speaker 2: give you the opportunity to apologize for that, clarify it.
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Speaker 8: And I've moved and I've stayed at my case.
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Speaker 3: I've stayed at my case with it, and I.
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Speaker 8: Said, if I've offended people on what my beliefs are
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Speaker 8: and they're a Muslim, then I do apologize to those people.
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Speaker 8: If I have founded them, if people, you know, people
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Speaker 8: have come out for a new way of life. And
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Speaker 8: I had an Iranian man that pulled me up and said,
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Speaker 8: you probably won't believe me.
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Speaker 3: He said, but I'm a big supporter.
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Speaker 8: Of yours and these people are saying that they don't
22:36
Speaker 8: want the country become like they have. You're going to
22:38
Speaker 8: ask the people in Egypt, the Christian, Lebanese and Iran
22:43
Speaker 8: how has it worked out for them? And many other
22:45
Speaker 8: countries that have welcomed them into the country and find
22:49
Speaker 8: that you've got protests women being being murdered or imprisoned
22:52
Speaker 8: or flogged because they don't want to wear the he
22:54
Speaker 8: jab or cover up. You know, we can as if
23:00
Speaker 8: we keep going down.
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Speaker 1: The path, and surely that's.
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Speaker 3: No good or bad. You have no idea.
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Speaker 8: It's a numbers game, Chris. It's a numbers game.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 3: We come down to a percentage in the country.
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Speaker 1: We do it.
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Speaker 2: But we also common sense and our experience would teach
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Speaker 2: us that those Muslims who immigrate to this country come
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Speaker 2: here because they want our liberal society and our freedom,
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Speaker 2: not to turn it into the bad lands of Afghanistan
23:29
Speaker 2: or Iraq. And that's what the extremists want. And we're
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Speaker 2: on a unity ticket opposing them. I mentioned your former
23:36
Speaker 2: Muslim candidate. A former candidate. Here's a Muslim, obviously, Emma Erros.
23:41
Speaker 2: Do you know what happened to her. She's still involved
23:43
Speaker 2: with one motion.
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Speaker 3: No, look, I don't know. She wasn't successful.
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Speaker 8: She's a very successful businesswoman and she was lovely.
23:54
Speaker 3: I went to a home. There was no problems there whatsoever.
23:57
Speaker 8: So although there's a lot of people that they have
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Speaker 8: been born as a Muslim.
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Speaker 3: Chris, I'm a Church of England. Am I practicing Church
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Speaker 3: of England? No, I'm not.
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Speaker 8: If people say tick, you know their senses what religion
24:09
Speaker 8: am I? I put Church of England, but I'm not
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Speaker 8: practicing Church of England. So that's what happens with a
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Speaker 8: lot of people. They tick the box that they may
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Speaker 8: be Muslim, but not a practice thing Muslim. I'm not
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Speaker 8: backing down on what I want the stance of against
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Speaker 8: the radical Islam, Chris.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not going back down.
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Speaker 8: I'm sick and tired. You take me to task over this?
24:33
Speaker 8: Where was it taking over the tasks by the imams?
24:36
Speaker 8: You know of what they hate, hate speech, and everything
24:38
Speaker 8: that's happened on the steps, you know, all this type
24:41
Speaker 8: of thing you watch.
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Speaker 3: I'm stating my case as.
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Speaker 1: You know, Pauline.
24:46
Speaker 2: I stand up against Islamist extremism and those imms and
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Speaker 2: all sorts of carry on in this country when it
24:52
Speaker 2: comes to Islamist extremism and overseas, night in and night
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Speaker 2: out on this program. But I don't want to see
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Speaker 2: good Australian Muslim slurred in this way.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of people like.
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Speaker 2: Ahmed Ahmed Ahmed who did a brave thing at Bondyne.
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Speaker 1: To save the lives. He saved Jewish lives.
25:11
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about prominent sports sports people like Usmond Kwaja
25:15
Speaker 2: and Basha Hurley and has El Masery. Now some of
25:19
Speaker 2: these people have made political comments that I.
25:21
Speaker 1: Disagree with, but they're still very good and very very well.
25:28
Speaker 2: They're Australians who have made great contributions to this country.
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Speaker 3: Of course they have. And I and I met Ahmed Ahmed.
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Speaker 8: I met him and at the Opera House that night,
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Speaker 8: and I thanked him for his courageousness and stopping that gunman.
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Speaker 8: So there's no problem about that. And I will do
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Speaker 8: that for anyone, and I will say that to them.
25:51
Speaker 8: But I'm not going to apologize to people, you know,
25:55
Speaker 8: because my concern is very strong and how I feel
25:58
Speaker 8: about this, and I'll keep on over and over again.
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Speaker 8: I see other countries around the world are screaming out
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Speaker 8: and they said, I wish we had actually handled it better.
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Speaker 8: People out there and what you have and you and
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Speaker 8: you know people have. You know you're being told watch
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Speaker 8: what you say, as Shari was told the other night too.
26:16
Speaker 8: I'm sure she's told by the legal people be careful
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Speaker 8: of this. We don't want to be sued.
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Speaker 3: Always happens and all the rest of because you don't
26:23
Speaker 3: want to be sued.
26:24
Speaker 2: I don't want to define anyone I can guarante, but
26:29
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you one thing. Everything I say on
26:31
Speaker 2: this show is what I choose to say, and I
26:34
Speaker 2: don't have anybody telling me what to say. And I
26:36
Speaker 2: appreciate this conversation, and I appreciate your clarification because this
26:40
Speaker 2: is such a crucial issue for the country.
26:42
Speaker 1: And thanks for joining us. Thank you, Paul Enhancing there
26:47
Speaker 1: live from Queensland. This is such a crucial debate for US.
26:50
Speaker 2: It crosses over all sorts of security, immigration and social
26:54
Speaker 2: cohesion issues and we'll keep having it here bravely and
26:57
Speaker 2: honestly on this station.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: It relates to this issue that I'm going to talk
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Speaker 2: about next to global issue, and that is the round
27:05
Speaker 2: of talks, the indirect talks that have been taking place between.
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Speaker 1: The US and Iran.
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Speaker 2: This is happening, of course, as President Donald Trump's military
27:13
Speaker 2: threats still hang over the region. Now, both sides say
27:16
Speaker 2: that progress has been made, but there's still no deal.
27:19
Speaker 2: He's the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 15: Iran conducting military drills in this strait of Horne Moves,
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Speaker 15: a key global trade route. As negotiators met for a
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Speaker 15: second round of nuclear talks in Geneva, US officials tel
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Speaker 15: Fox News progress was made, but there are still a
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Speaker 15: lot of details to discuss. The Iranians said they would
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Speaker 15: come back in the next two weeks with proposals to
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Speaker 15: address gaps in their positions. President Trump's Special envoy Steve
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Speaker 15: Whitcoff and Jared Kushner attended those indirect talks at the
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Speaker 15: Omani Embassy residence. Despite the diplomatic efforts, the possibility of
27:50
Speaker 15: direct conflict with Iran is still on the table. The
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Speaker 15: US deployed a second aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R Ford,
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Speaker 15: to the Middle East as Iran Supreme leader issues this
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Speaker 15: threat against the US Navy.
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Speaker 2: More a worship is a dangerous device, but more dangerous
28:05
Speaker 2: than that as a weapon that can send that worship
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Speaker 2: deep under the sea. Let's go to Tom switzeron Now
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Speaker 2: columnists with the Australian Good to get talk to you again,
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Speaker 2: Tom Now, and we've talked before about how this military
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Speaker 2: threat from the US is probably saving lives as we
28:19
Speaker 2: speak because it's stopping the Iranian regime from attacking its
28:24
Speaker 2: own people who have been trying to protest. And this
28:27
Speaker 2: comes after on the weekend there is a Day of
28:29
Speaker 2: action around the world, including in Australian capital cities, where
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Speaker 2: millions of people globally marched against the Iranian regime and
28:38
Speaker 2: in support of the Iranian people. There seems to be
28:41
Speaker 2: a global push for action or even regime change. Here
28:45
Speaker 2: will these millions of supporters around the world be dissupported.
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Speaker 16: Well, it depends on the outcome of these negotiations in Switzerland.
28:54
Speaker 16: I mean, if Washington's core demand remains what has traditionally been,
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Speaker 16: that is that Iran does not develop a nuclear weapon,
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Speaker 16: then in principle a negotiated settlement should be achievable. But
29:06
Speaker 16: if the US demands shift towards more maximalist conditions where
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Speaker 16: the Uranians are not allowed to enrich any uranium, there
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Speaker 16: is no missile capability capacity whatsoever, and support for their
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Speaker 16: proxy militias, then the chances of a deal dropped dramatically,
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Speaker 16: and that would increase the prospects of US intervention again.
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Speaker 2: And if there is a deal, while that will be
29:30
Speaker 2: good for security in the region and global security, that is,
29:34
Speaker 2: keeping Iran's hands off a nuclear weapons program. It might
29:38
Speaker 2: disappoint so many supporters around the world who want to
29:41
Speaker 2: see liberation for the Iranian people.
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Speaker 16: Look, I think President trumpet is damned if he doesn't
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Speaker 16: damn if he doesn't. I mean, if he does commit
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Speaker 16: to a policy of regime change, he would conform to
29:54
Speaker 16: the expectations of his Israeli allies and as you say,
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Speaker 16: a lot of freedom loving people around the world who
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Speaker 16: detests Iran's sheer, clerical regime that has committed awful human
30:06
Speaker 16: rights abuses to the Iranian people, particularly in the course
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Speaker 16: of the last few months. But if he listens to
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Speaker 16: the Saudis and other US Sunni allies in the Persian Gulf,
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Speaker 16: they would be less comfortable with regime change, even though
30:22
Speaker 16: they detest Iran's sheer regime. They would prefer a diplomatic
30:26
Speaker 16: agreement because they want to avoid another Middle East more,
30:29
Speaker 16: another refugee crisis, or another destabilizing conflict like Iraq in
30:35
Speaker 16: two thousand and three or Syria during the civil war
30:38
Speaker 16: from twenty eleven to twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I want to bring I want to bring
30:43
Speaker 2: you back to Australian politics now, because your insights on
30:46
Speaker 2: that are brilliant. Anybody who's watching who didn't read your
30:49
Speaker 2: column in The Australian on Monday about Malcolm Turnbull should
30:52
Speaker 2: get onto the website later tonight and read that.
30:55
Speaker 1: But I don't want to talk about that now.
30:57
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the challenge for
30:59
Speaker 2: the Coalition and in regaining its strength and its popularity
31:03
Speaker 2: in the polls against the One Nation incursion. I think
31:07
Speaker 2: they need to be solid on core liberal issues like
31:11
Speaker 2: national security, immigration, law and order, and most importantly the
31:15
Speaker 2: cost of living and the economy, but they're constantly being
31:18
Speaker 2: saying no, they need to go more to the left,
31:20
Speaker 2: apparently climate change and the.
31:21
Speaker 1: Rest of it.
31:23
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you what the new Deputy leader
31:25
Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party has had to say and get
31:26
Speaker 2: your thoughts.
31:27
Speaker 1: Here's Jane Hume.
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Speaker 7: If you are aggrieved, you tend to look to agreements
31:32
Speaker 7: party and that's exactly what Pauline Hanson's One Nation is.
31:36
Speaker 7: It doesn't have the solutions to get the country out
31:39
Speaker 7: of the slump that it is in. It certainly isn't
31:42
Speaker 7: a party for mainstream Australians.
31:45
Speaker 1: Isn't that a bit of a mistake.
31:47
Speaker 2: Don't the Liberals need to understand that it is mainstream
31:50
Speaker 2: Australians who are flocking to one nation, and while they
31:53
Speaker 2: might not have the solutions, the issues they're highlighting are
31:57
Speaker 2: the issues that are concerning so many right of center voters.
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Speaker 1: I mixed feelings, Chris.
32:02
Speaker 16: I think it's certainly true that on net zero, mass immigration,
32:06
Speaker 16: costs of living issues that we've discussed before. I think
32:09
Speaker 16: the Liberal Party over the course of the last three
32:13
Speaker 16: six months has been bleeding votes to its right and
32:16
Speaker 16: the obvious benefactor is one nation. But then again, I
32:19
Speaker 16: think the comments that Pauline Hansen made originally on Sky
32:23
Speaker 16: News with Sharry Markson, I think that was a real
32:25
Speaker 16: in goal for one nation that really hurt them because
32:29
Speaker 16: the Liberal Party does not want to go on that terrain.
32:31
Speaker 16: I mean absolutely, the vast majority of immigrants and their
32:35
Speaker 16: families integrate successfully into Australia's democratic culture. Yes, it is
32:40
Speaker 16: true that there are certain segments within definite ethnic groups,
32:43
Speaker 16: including the Muslim community, who hold views that sit uneasily
32:47
Speaker 16: with Liberal values such as gender equality, and we've had
32:51
Speaker 16: controversies before. You mentioned Shay Kalally twenty years ago when
32:54
Speaker 16: he compared scantily clad women to uncovered catmet who invited rape.
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Speaker 16: So I think on the whole, the broadcross section of
33:01
Speaker 16: immigrants who come to this country do into great well,
33:04
Speaker 16: and the Liberal Party needs to be the party that
33:06
Speaker 16: represents those immigrants. Once it goes down the one nation
33:09
Speaker 16: path on slashing immigration to that extent and picking on
33:12
Speaker 16: races and different ethnicities, I think they will shoot themselves
33:16
Speaker 16: in the foot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:17
Speaker 2: Wise words, they're going to be very, very careful on
33:19
Speaker 2: that ground. Thanks for joining us again, Tom, I appreciate it.
33:22
Speaker 2: Tom Switzer.
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Speaker 1: There, we've got to get to a break.
33:23
Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about social
33:25
Speaker 2: media and its impact on children. Are an our neuroscientist
33:29
Speaker 2: and a new book next. It's been two months now
33:35
Speaker 2: since Labour's social media band for the under sixteens came
33:38
Speaker 2: into effect, and even though we know that at least
33:41
Speaker 2: some teenagers are finding ways to evade the band, there
33:44
Speaker 2: are many countries around the world looking to copycat it,
33:47
Speaker 2: as we've.
33:48
Speaker 1: Discussed as well.
33:49
Speaker 2: So I was fascinated to come across a new book,
33:52
Speaker 2: Screen Smart Children, our guide to helping kids thrive in
33:56
Speaker 2: a world that never switches off. It's co authored by
33:59
Speaker 2: new scientists Mark Williams, and he joins me in the studio.
34:03
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Mark. This is a great book.
34:05
Speaker 1: Hold it up so people can get a look at it.
34:07
Speaker 2: It's a great idea because we've talked about this issue
34:10
Speaker 2: and we can all argue about whether or not this
34:12
Speaker 2: band is going to be effective, whether or not it is.
34:15
Speaker 1: Parents need to deal with this with.
34:17
Speaker 2: Their kids, manage it, whether it's before they're sixteen or
34:21
Speaker 2: after sixteen. What are the key tips for how people
34:24
Speaker 2: can navigate this?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that the main one is that we've
34:27
Speaker 5: actually got to demonstrate to the kids what we want
34:30
Speaker 5: them to do by actually doing it ourselves. And I
34:32
Speaker 5: think that's one of the big problems at the moment
34:33
Speaker 5: is the parents on the devices just as much as
34:36
Speaker 5: the kids, and then they're trying to tell the kids
34:37
Speaker 5: to get off the devices, and so I think we
34:39
Speaker 5: need to actually think about that and start modeling what
34:42
Speaker 5: we actually want their behavior to be. Because we know teenage,
34:45
Speaker 5: especially teenagers, we'll only listen about ten percent of what
34:47
Speaker 5: you say, but they'll do about ninety percent what you do.
34:49
Speaker 5: So modeling is a really bignoreing.
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Speaker 1: That's critical advice. We know that about everything.
34:54
Speaker 2: As parents, we know that the children are membicking our behavior.
34:58
Speaker 2: We're teaching them without ea in knowing it. So when
35:01
Speaker 2: we're sitting at the dinner table or watching TVs scrolling,
35:04
Speaker 2: bad message.
35:05
Speaker 5: Big bad message. Yeah, and we've got to interact with
35:07
Speaker 5: the kids, right, We've got to actually show them our
35:10
Speaker 5: values and show them what we actually believe in by
35:12
Speaker 5: actually talking to them, spending time with them and discussing
35:14
Speaker 5: these ideas. And we're missing a lot of that, especially
35:17
Speaker 5: when we're breaking bread, right. I mean, it's such a
35:18
Speaker 5: good time to actually chat to your kids. And I
35:22
Speaker 5: think a lot of parents now thinking, Okay, we've got
35:25
Speaker 5: to get the devices away from the dinner table. We've
35:27
Speaker 5: got to get the devices away from the cafes so
35:30
Speaker 5: the kids can actually interact with their adults and actually
35:32
Speaker 5: learn what the adults values are, which is really important.
35:34
Speaker 2: That's one of the ones we do, and I often
35:36
Speaker 2: get admonished by my wife, but we try and keep
35:38
Speaker 2: the devices away from the dinner table. Are there other
35:41
Speaker 2: tips certain rooms or certain times that we should ban
35:44
Speaker 2: them or have your own set of rules at home?
35:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got two teenagers myself. Look, no reason to
35:49
Speaker 5: have a device in your bedroom, and that's when ugly
35:52
Speaker 5: stuff happens, really ugly stuff happens, which I won't go through.
35:54
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've known parents who with teenage kids, all
35:58
Speaker 2: the phones are taken either a central lowtion for recharging
36:01
Speaker 2: on what overnight from sort of nine o'clock at night.
36:04
Speaker 1: That's it.
36:05
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, how's go on to a special cord as
36:08
Speaker 5: soon as you get home and then everybody uses it there.
36:10
Speaker 5: So it's like the old days where it was actually
36:12
Speaker 5: connected to the wall, which makes it a little uncomfortable
36:14
Speaker 5: because you don't actually want to stand there in the
36:16
Speaker 5: middle of the hallway. But that means that you're not
36:18
Speaker 5: actually you know, you're not doom scrolling in the evening,
36:21
Speaker 5: you're actually spending time with your family or with your friends.
36:25
Speaker 2: Because the other key point here is these things we
36:27
Speaker 2: don't want to demonize them. These are brilliant devices that
36:30
Speaker 2: give us access to all sorts of information and communication,
36:34
Speaker 2: and especially for parents, keeping in touch with children and
36:37
Speaker 2: knowing where they are and what's going on so crucial.
36:39
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a neuroscientist, so I love technology, and
36:43
Speaker 5: this is another great technology that we can use. The
36:46
Speaker 5: only problem is that the tech companies have set them
36:48
Speaker 5: up in a way which makes them addictive, and so
36:49
Speaker 5: therefore we're using them in a bad way. But we
36:51
Speaker 5: need to reset it so that we're actually using the
36:53
Speaker 5: way it's beneficial to us and beneficial to our kids.
36:56
Speaker 2: In a nutshell, will the ban work or does it
36:58
Speaker 2: come back to more of parents and families managing this.
37:02
Speaker 5: I think the band is a step in the right direction,
37:05
Speaker 5: but I think it requires everybody to get on board.
37:07
Speaker 14: Right.
37:07
Speaker 5: It requires the whole community to say, yes, this is
37:09
Speaker 5: actually we want to do better by everybody, and we're
37:12
Speaker 5: going to actually do something about it. Just like smoking,
37:15
Speaker 5: right smoking came in. I used to smoke when I
37:16
Speaker 5: was thirty eight. I didn't give up smoking when they
37:19
Speaker 5: started pushing no smoking, but the next generation gave up smoking.
37:22
Speaker 5: Now very few people smoke, and I see that's where
37:24
Speaker 5: we're actually ahead of you. It's a great book.
37:27
Speaker 2: I've got no problems at all recommending it because I
37:29
Speaker 2: know how important this is for every family in the country.
37:32
Speaker 2: Screen Smart Children's Dr Mark Williams and Gavin McCormack. You
37:35
Speaker 2: can get that that might be a good gift to
37:37
Speaker 2: someone because everybody, every family in the country is trying
37:41
Speaker 2: to deal with this at the moment. Thanks so much
37:42
Speaker 2: for joining us, Mark, Thank you appreciate it. Mark Williams.
37:45
Speaker 2: There now we're going to get to a break on
37:46
Speaker 2: the other side. We're going to get back into the
37:47
Speaker 2: reckless renewables debate with Ann Webster in Maljura. I showed
37:55
Speaker 2: you yesterday a problem with labors so called green dream
37:59
Speaker 2: of the renewal transition. It's an abandoned solar farm at
38:04
Speaker 2: gem Along, not far from Forbes in central western New
38:06
Speaker 2: South Wales. The farm's owner, Vast Renewables, went into administration
38:11
Speaker 2: last year, leaving the plant to go to Rack and Ruin, and.
38:15
Speaker 1: Locals are up in arms.
38:16
Speaker 2: They're concerned about the bushfire risk and of course public safety.
38:20
Speaker 2: The story attracted the interest of the Shadow Minister for
38:23
Speaker 2: Regional Development, and Webster, who joins us live from Mildura.
38:27
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again and then congrats in
38:30
Speaker 2: hanging in the shadow cabinet.
38:33
Speaker 1: Now we know there's a lot of concern about the renewables.
38:38
Speaker 2: Roll out in regional areas, but there aren't too many
38:41
Speaker 2: examples of abandoned projects like this one, are there?
38:48
Speaker 12: Well, you know, let's wait and see. Chris great to
38:51
Speaker 12: talk with you again. Mally has many, many projects and
38:55
Speaker 12: in fact, across Victoria we have twenty one of the
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Speaker 12: largest foreign owned wind and solar developments who pulled in
39:05
Speaker 12: almost five billion dollars in revenue and consumer subsidies. Who's
39:10
Speaker 12: paying those subsidies us? And then we've got today we
39:14
Speaker 12: find out that there's one of those foreign owned companies,
39:19
Speaker 12: eber Droller, which is developing the V and I West
39:23
Speaker 12: in my patch and owns other renewable developments, and they
39:28
Speaker 12: brought in six over six hundred million dollars in twenty
39:31
Speaker 12: twenty three, twenty four and apparently paid no tax.
39:35
Speaker 3: You know, where's the transparency?
39:37
Speaker 12: And then we've got Energy connect who have gone over budget,
39:40
Speaker 12: shock horror, one point one billion dollars over and they've
39:44
Speaker 12: now applied for us to pay.
39:46
Speaker 3: Where does this stop?
39:48
Speaker 12: And how many businesses will go under and leave properties
39:52
Speaker 12: just like the one you showed last night.
39:53
Speaker 1: Well this is the worry, isn't it.
39:55
Speaker 2: There's so many taxpayer dollars involved in this, so many subsidies.
39:58
Speaker 2: For instance, we know heap of hydrogen projects have sucked
40:02
Speaker 2: up the government subsidies and then they've scrapped them. So
40:06
Speaker 2: obviously our money disappears there on some of that we
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Speaker 2: don't get it all back. There must not be the
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Speaker 2: incentives there either. When people have built these renewables plants,
40:16
Speaker 2: once they've got the subsidies, maybe they're not so interested
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Speaker 2: in running them.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they're happy to see some of them go to
40:22
Speaker 1: rack and ruin.
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Speaker 12: Well, you know, I personally think that there shout should
40:28
Speaker 12: be a bond like process that applies to mining where
40:33
Speaker 12: sites need to be rehabilitated at the end of the
40:36
Speaker 12: mind life. You know, there needs to be more responsibility
40:40
Speaker 12: taken by the companies and certainly by the government to
40:44
Speaker 12: ensure that taxpayers are just not bleeding out of their
40:48
Speaker 12: pockets dollar after dollar after dollar. My daughter showed me
40:52
Speaker 12: her energy bill today, seven hundred and eighty four dollars
40:57
Speaker 12: for one month, one month young family for kids.
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Speaker 1: This is crazy.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the point, right the company that's gone
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Speaker 2: bust here vast renewables. They've soaked up three hundred million
41:10
Speaker 2: dollars in taxpayer subsidies, now not for that specific solo
41:14
Speaker 2: farm that's just one small venture, but for others as well.
41:17
Speaker 2: Yet this solofon we're short of energy, we're top the
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Speaker 2: renewables are the cheapest form of energy, yet it wasn't
41:24
Speaker 2: obviously it couldn't trade through and it's gone to rack
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Speaker 2: and ruin.
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Speaker 1: What's happened to all the subsidies?
41:29
Speaker 2: And why doesn't the solar farm work or why isn't
41:32
Speaker 2: it worth keeping in operation?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely excellent questions. I think there needs to be some
41:40
Speaker 12: fois about all of these businesses and the taxes.
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Speaker 3: That they're not paying.
41:47
Speaker 12: Twiggy Forest, Hello, Australian dollars, our dollars hard earned and
41:54
Speaker 12: are going towards these projects. And look, my farming community
41:57
Speaker 12: is still absolutely rightfully angry about the process that the
42:03
Speaker 12: Victorian government has taken them through and taken away their rights.
42:07
Speaker 12: This is a shamozzle. There is way to describe it.
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Speaker 2: We will keep on it and thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: We'll catch up again and website there in mortual. We
42:15
Speaker 2: better get to a break. On the other side, we'll
42:17
Speaker 2: catch up with the panel with the wrangle. Lots to
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Speaker 2: talk about, including a very.
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Speaker 1: Tired and emotional reporter.
42:28
Speaker 2: Let's get into the wrangle now with Sky News host
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Speaker 2: Anika de Georgia on the bi and of course Justin Smith,
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Speaker 2: broadcaster and author in Melbourne. Let's start off with Pauline Hansen.
42:38
Speaker 2: Here's what she told Sharry Monday night.
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Speaker 3: You know you say, oh, well, there's good Muslims out there.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm sorry, how can you how can you tell
42:47
Speaker 8: me there are good Muslims?
42:50
Speaker 2: And here's the best we could get out of her
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Speaker 2: for an apology tonight.
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Speaker 8: I'm straight at my case with it, and I said,
42:57
Speaker 8: if I've been found the people I'm what I I
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Speaker 8: believe sar and they're a Muslim, then I do apologize
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Speaker 8: to those people if I have found them.
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Speaker 1: Well, he reckoned justin. Is that good enough? Not even close.
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Speaker 17: I think we've you know, we've heard some pretty rubbish
43:15
Speaker 17: apologies from politicians over the years.
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Speaker 1: That one's not too bad.
43:21
Speaker 17: Let's not forget that Pauline Hanson had said in the
43:23
Speaker 17: past too, that Islam is a disease, something which Barnaby
43:27
Speaker 17: Joyce said she was batpoo crazy for saying at the time.
43:31
Speaker 17: So I think she's pretty well and truly on the
43:32
Speaker 17: record for credibility purposes, she probably would have done a
43:35
Speaker 17: little bit better just owning it. But as we know, mate,
43:39
Speaker 17: the extremists love this. They the extremists in the Muslim
43:43
Speaker 17: community absolutely love it when people go on TV and
43:46
Speaker 17: say things like she said, because it's oh yeah, fruitment
43:49
Speaker 17: drive for.
43:50
Speaker 1: The more, the more division, the better.
43:52
Speaker 2: She obviously knows, Danika that she went too far on
43:55
Speaker 2: Monday Night with Shari.
43:57
Speaker 1: Has she gone far enough in terms of her apology.
43:59
Speaker 18: Well, it wasn't full apology, Chris, And let's be honest,
44:01
Speaker 18: she was never going to give a groveling apology because
44:05
Speaker 18: she's also trying to appeal to her base. She's got
44:08
Speaker 18: that very strong rhetoric. What she said on Monday night
44:10
Speaker 18: was completely incorrect when the majority of Muslims do live
44:13
Speaker 18: peacefully in this country.
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Speaker 3: But I will say in this interview.
44:15
Speaker 1: That you just did.
44:16
Speaker 18: I think she raised a couple of good points, particularly
44:18
Speaker 18: when she said the problem we've got is that there
44:21
Speaker 18: are people in this country we don't know their backgrounds.
44:23
Speaker 18: There hasn't been enough background checks. We know that we
44:26
Speaker 18: don't know who we're bringing into this country. I mean,
44:28
Speaker 18: labor brought in three thousand gardens with little to no
44:30
Speaker 18: security checks. So I think she's absolutely spot on to say,
44:34
Speaker 18: you know, who knows.
44:35
Speaker 1: The issue of the week, but that's this is the problem. Though.
44:38
Speaker 1: I think these are crucial issues.
44:39
Speaker 2: Problem you don't want them caught up in that sort
44:41
Speaker 2: of general intolerance. Nobody was saying they're not, but what
44:46
Speaker 2: she was pushing, and Pauline Hanson has been a person
44:48
Speaker 2: who said, oh, we don't want Muslims coming over here
44:51
Speaker 2: sprouting their hate. Well, I've seen plenty of hate from
44:53
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson this week.
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Speaker 1: So also a few things that she's espousing, as I
44:59
Speaker 1: showed you. Also she's run a Muslim candidate, and she's
45:01
Speaker 1: run a Wisim candidate.
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Speaker 18: I just think it does detract from the issue of
45:04
Speaker 18: radical is because that person is now radical Islam is
45:08
Speaker 18: the key. Well, I mean it doesn't matter that she
45:09
Speaker 18: doesn't know where the person is now, who cares if
45:11
Speaker 18: you don't work for the company doesn't.
45:14
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't really so much else I want to
45:18
Speaker 2: squeeze in. First up, let's have a listen to the
45:20
Speaker 2: Prime Minister talking about what's wrong with the country and
45:23
Speaker 2: trust in politics.
45:26
Speaker 4: I think trust has broken down. I think devices like
45:30
Speaker 4: that one making it. Well, they're pushing people to algorithms,
45:35
Speaker 4: push people towards extremes and one nation have always been
45:40
Speaker 4: about identifying problems and a primary thing of your problem
45:45
Speaker 4: in life is because of people who don't look like you,
45:48
Speaker 4: that division that they have promoted consistently. But also I
45:53
Speaker 4: think people are frustrated because the coalition parties are such
45:56
Speaker 4: a mess. The Liberals hate each other, and then that's
45:59
Speaker 4: hate each other, and the liberals hate the nets and
46:02
Speaker 4: gnats leaving to join one nation.
46:05
Speaker 2: So the problem with the lack of political trust in
46:08
Speaker 2: this country is not that Labor has broken its promises
46:12
Speaker 2: on renewable energy and getting energy prices down. It's not
46:15
Speaker 2: that wages are going down, real wages are going down,
46:19
Speaker 2: and that health insurance is going up, and that inflation's
46:22
Speaker 2: out of control and your interest rates have gone up again.
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Speaker 1: It's all the coalition and one nation apparently, Denika.
46:28
Speaker 18: Yes see this is typical of the Prime minister, isn't
46:30
Speaker 18: It's deflect, deflect, deflect.
46:32
Speaker 1: No no where innocent.
46:33
Speaker 18: Basically that was what the Prime minister said today. Where
46:36
Speaker 18: innocent putting the heat on others, trying to turn the
46:39
Speaker 18: narrative around. You know, he's talking there about one nation
46:42
Speaker 18: for example. Well, if you look at the latest polling,
46:45
Speaker 18: Labor's not doing too well. When it comes to one nation,
46:47
Speaker 18: there'd be alarmed bells ringing there.
46:49
Speaker 1: And as for the coalition.
46:50
Speaker 18: Thank goodness, they've got themselves back together so they can
46:52
Speaker 18: hold that bloke to account.
46:53
Speaker 1: Finally, Yeah, justin he might have some trust issues.
46:57
Speaker 18: Well, well, you haven't been reading the news justin that
46:59
Speaker 18: they are, you're.
47:00
Speaker 1: Not across the world.
47:02
Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, well, you know, I guess our definition of
47:04
Speaker 17: back together just might differ slightly. I would say Anthony
47:07
Speaker 17: Alberiz he's not a great student of history though, because
47:10
Speaker 17: as we know, Labor Party goes through the same thing
47:12
Speaker 17: where they had each other's guts and then they managed
47:14
Speaker 17: to hold it together. Liberal Party goes through the same thing,
47:17
Speaker 17: the Nationals, all the parties go through the same thing,
47:19
Speaker 17: and he hasn't been paying attention. The problem has been
47:22
Speaker 17: towards major parties, and that's on both the left and
47:25
Speaker 17: the right. People are just tired of the major parties
47:29
Speaker 17: sticking together, sort of keeping up that sort of wall
47:31
Speaker 17: of crab and then they go to an election that
47:34
Speaker 17: people just really don't know what they're voting for. Now, Well,
47:36
Speaker 17: this is why people have been going towards the particularly
47:39
Speaker 17: towards the Independence.
47:41
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
47:42
Speaker 2: Let me just point out something today when it comes
47:44
Speaker 2: to these cultural issues, the Prime Minister put out a
47:47
Speaker 2: statement marking the start of Ramadana as a statement he
47:50
Speaker 2: put out so you can see it here. He put
47:52
Speaker 2: it out on Instagram and Facebook. He also made some
47:56
Speaker 2: comments about the start of the Lunar New Year, and
47:59
Speaker 2: on his Facebook posts a lot of people pointed out,
48:01
Speaker 2: hang on our bow.
48:03
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be a Catholic. It's ash Wednesday today,
48:06
Speaker 1: the start of Lent.
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Speaker 18: No mention of lyn No, no will of course not
48:09
Speaker 18: because he's got to appeal to the base.
48:10
Speaker 1: This is the problem.
48:11
Speaker 18: I mean, he's done it before. We've seen it when
48:12
Speaker 18: he does Easter. In the last Easter message, remember he
48:15
Speaker 18: posted a photo of he and Jody and Toto. No
48:19
Speaker 18: mention of course about the religious weekend, nothing like that.
48:22
Speaker 18: This is just more virtue signaling from the Prime Minister
48:24
Speaker 18: to appeal to the basis.
48:26
Speaker 1: It's all it is. It is just quickly.
48:28
Speaker 2: We've got to squeeze this in because enough, justin. We've
48:33
Speaker 2: got to get this in. We're nearly out of time.
48:34
Speaker 2: Denika's namesake hang okay. Danika Mason, sports reporter on Channel nine,
48:41
Speaker 2: crossed into Breakfast Television this morning from.
48:45
Speaker 1: The Winter Olympics.
48:46
Speaker 2: Keeping your mind, it's like ten pm in Italy and
48:49
Speaker 2: here's how she fronted up on Breakfast TV Live.
48:53
Speaker 11: But literally the like the price of coffee over here
48:57
Speaker 11: is actually fine. It's more than pive coffee in the
49:01
Speaker 11: US that we are going to have to get used to.
49:03
Speaker 11: I'm not sure that the Iguanas. Where are we going
49:07
Speaker 11: with that one?
49:07
Speaker 1: But anyway, she's a bit tired and emotional. Mate.
49:14
Speaker 17: Look, they're tough work, these yet you've got to do
49:16
Speaker 17: whatever you can to get through some of these TV crosses.
49:19
Speaker 17: I mean, I've needed the odd GMT before. I can't
49:22
Speaker 17: cut it, you know, I mean, it's not well, I'll
49:29
Speaker 17: tell you what.
49:30
Speaker 2: All I've got in my DLAI Cris mug is tea
49:32
Speaker 2: with a bit of honey.
49:33
Speaker 1: But I'm and they have a drink with the team
49:36
Speaker 1: after the show.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Justin Smith and Denika
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Speaker 2: to Georgio, we'll see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Gridlin