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75. Wanna buy some legions? · The Euro Legions Podcast

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  Now let's get to this week's show.
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  My wallet is sobbing. I can hear it.
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  I can hear it in the hall now. It is breaking.
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  Down crying. It turns out that Attila the
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  arrogant so and so he's got a fake hammer A.
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  Fake. Whoa.
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  As I say, Dick. So welcome to episode 75 of the
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  Religions Podcast, and this week we have a fun episode for you.
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  We're going to go into a little bit of even nerdier than nerd
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  stuff. We're going to go into the stats
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  behind mythic legions and secondary market.
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  And for that we do have stats nerd.
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  His name is Rich, but unfortunately he he had little
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  injury at the water park this week.
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  He's our last week. He's not he's not in any danger,
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  imminent danger, but he's an unfortunately unable to make the
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  recording. So we still have Mal.
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  How are you Mal? I'm good, I'm good.
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  Keeping out of trouble. Yeah, I've got one less crease
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  in my head than Rich has got these days.
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  When Rich is back on, we let him have the pleasure of, of, of
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  telling you all about his, his clumsiness or his unfortunate,
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  but he's OK. But we do have a very special
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  guest and we were going to have him anyway and we were just
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  going to let him and Rich talk. So unfortunately for him, it's
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  going to have to be me in the Rich role.
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  So it's Matt Drake. How are you, Matt?
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  Hi everyone, nice to be with you all.
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  Cheers and. I guess I'll take the take the
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  rich spot today and take up the hating noble bear mantle, even
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  though I really don't. I like the noble bear.
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  It's not my favorite, but I don't hate it.
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  But this week I do. I hate that.
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  Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, we even have you in his
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  spot on the screen. So there you go, everything.
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  So Matt, if you. Well, if you've maybe heard him
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  when we did our chats with all the, the, a lot of the Patreon
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  members, that was a couple of episodes ago.
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  But Matt also has a YouTube channel called Toiletics, which
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  delves into the kind of secondary market analysis of the
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  toy lines, the various legions toy lines.
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  And, and Matt is kind of doing that because it's kind of
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  tangentially related to his career and he's that area of
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  expertise. So why not bring your area of
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  expertise into your hobbies? Isn't that right, Matt?
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  Yeah, I needed to learn how to use some software, so I figured
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  I might as well do it with something that with some data
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  that I actually wanted to look at rather than just some fake
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  data or some. Yeah, payroll data or purchase
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  order data or things like. Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Figured it'd be a lot more interesting to do it this way so
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  that. Sounds good.
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  Yeah. Rather than just yeah, trying to
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  work out the cost of ice creams and and profitability of an ice
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  cream truck or something. Yeah, this sounds good.
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  And so just a few little housekeeping things before we
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  get into the meat of the episode and this week, so before you and
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  hopefully if you listen to this on the release date and Friday,
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  this Saturday, there is a Legion St. team out out and about there
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  in Charlie's Collectibles show in just outside Atlanta, GA.
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  And so Ginger Kid Collect Collectibles is the street team
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  there and they'll have the Legions at the normal show
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  prices. So I suppose $40.00 for a
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  standard figure and the rest as as they normally would with a
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  couple of dollars on top. They have big Dub there as well.
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  He's doing a lot of promoting for that event and he's involved
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  in a raffle which the first prize is a Jordan Rune Shaper
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  test shot. And I know firstly they're quite
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  rare because I think as you know, test shots are rare.
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  But I think there's only 10 of Jordan and the studio.
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  I think we're good enough to give big Dub this Jordan for the
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  raffle. And that means that there was
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  actually nine out there. So they were even harder.
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  So that's a little bit related to what we're going to talk
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  about in a way. I think test shots would be very
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  difficult to to analyze Matt, unless you had a couple of years
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  worth of data really. I, I do collect it, but you're
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  right, there's not a lot of sales on them.
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  So it's there and maybe a few years from now I can look at it,
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  but. You're right, there is.
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  So you'd need to go on active to go maybe into the, there's a
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  Facebook group called the Hall of Legends or something.
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  They do a lot of trading. So you'd probably need to to
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  track the posts there. But anyway, and every $40
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  purchase. So that's if you buy standard
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  figure at the stall, the retailer table there, you get an
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  entry into the raffle with an extra entry for every $100 that
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  you spend at the table. So lots of ways.
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  I know that for example, Wyatt from the Mythical Neighbours,
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  he's really mad keen on completing the Basilia faction.
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  That's his favorite faction of test shots.
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  So he's a test shot collector. So he was trying to get somebody
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  who was going to the show to enter for him.
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  So I think I think he might have got somebody, but even then he's
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  not guaranteed to win. But I suppose it's worth a shot.
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  But then if he finds out who wins, he'll be, he'd be chasing
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  them online at least to try and seek and they do deal with them.
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  So that's a fun one. So look out for that one and
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  maybe just follow a big dub on the Cabal and on his page and on
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  his channel and you'll get a little bit of insight into that
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  event if you haven't a chance to go or if you're not nearby.
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  Because of course, America is a very big country.
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  So even if you're, that's why these.
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  Three team events are great it's because people who can't get to
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  some of the major cons, they can get down to the ones where
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  they're visiting and. Is there any, is there anything
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  ever near you, Matt, during the year or power?
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  Con is actually close to me, so next year I'm hoping.
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  That when power con. Comes back.
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  Columbus is less than three hours away, so.
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  There you go Well, Mal has always been Matt.
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  Well, I mean we all are, but Mal has been particularly mad keen
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  to get to power con because he can actually go to these things,
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  cash depending of course, more than once a year.
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  Well, A. Couple of a couple of friends
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  who'd like to do power cut. There you go.
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
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  One of your mates is a he's a. He does the cons in UK, doesn't
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  he cover that? Yeah, he does a lot of geek
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  explorer. He's got his own YouTube, not
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  little, his own YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah.
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  So yeah, that would that's that would be a cool 1 to get to.
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  And of course it's not just legions, which is always fun
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  when there's a big legions presence, but also other stuff.
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  So you really, you really get value for your trip there if
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  you're collecting a lot of things.
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  So there you go. That's the housekeeping out of
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  the way. Nothing else, Mel, that you
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  spotted this week and no. Well, a little bit of news, the,
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  I don't know, Mythic adjacent just to continue from our
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  previous episode, the Brutal Realms Kickstarter starters up
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  yesterday. Yeah, yeah, some interesting
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  looking figures. They're going the route of
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  international shipping and international orders will have
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  to be done through Big Bad Toy Store.
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  So that'll be that'll be interesting.
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  To see. It's just a shame for for the
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  Kickstarter that they don't get the international money to kind
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  of get them over the goal in the 1st place, you know, or, or to
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  the stretch goals. So.
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  Well, it's also there's probably going to be a bit of a premium
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  on top and not the deals for multiples, so.
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  Yeah, tricky one, but that is a kind of.
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  A. The kickstart.
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  I mean, Matt, you, you've got to come in here now because this,
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  this is a kind of a noble bearer adjacent to Kickstart.
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  I don't want any parts of it then.
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  There you go, which is going to be so proud.
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  My wallet is not sobbing on. That, but they do look cool.
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  I mean, of course this is they look.
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  Very cool. Like a like a lot of these
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  things, I mean a walk was one of these where it's a small team of
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  people that probably started out more as fans and customizers
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  slash artists. They get into this.
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  So it is a learning curve. I hope they have some kind of
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  experienced tea people helping them or whatever to get it over
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  the line because it's definitely not easy to, to, to get these
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  things, you know, over the line for example.
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  Trevor took some awesome pictures.
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  He did, yeah. They're not up on the
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  Kickstarter page yet, but maybe we'll see them soon.
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  Or maybe they're keeping them for the social media, of course.
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  And yeah, I mean, even Matt Rodriguez and his armies about
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  Ashmore, he's had a lot of help from the Horsemen and from
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  different people to, you know, get him going and get the this,
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  you know, from the designs. OK, these guys have the designs
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  done, but the production is, yeah, quite a tricky 1.
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  So we wish them the best of luck.
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  And I did also see on the Horseman page that the retailer
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  Wave is in production. And now whether that's new or
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  not, I don't know, but I hadn't seen that update before.
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  Now, I know they were saying that these are going to get here
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  before the end of the year, but that makes it look even more
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  likely. So that's Fisher Rice, for
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  example. So that what I mean, you get
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  this, the heavy gunner mouth and then Fisher Rice all in the
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  space of a couple of months plus a cosmic reveal in the next
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  couple of weeks. So that's the other thing,
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  Fisher. Rice on pre-order.
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  Take all the overtime that's going.
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  You know, if when people are going off in the summer holidays
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  now, you're like, yeah, I'll cover for you, no problem.
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  I'll just say, yeah, I'll just, I'll just clone myself and do an
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  extra extra 10 hours in the office.
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  Yeah. So that's that.
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  And next week I'm away, but we're going to have an episode
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  where we do some of the lore stories that have been recently
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  published by Jeremy. So we're going to try and get
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  them done and have that queued up.
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  And then the week after that it will be the predictions for the
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  cosmic wave, which is always a fun one for us to do writing
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  things down. That's when we that's when we
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  actually prepare. No, of course we prepare all
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  these wonderful episodes for you.
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  So that's it. So let's get into the main part
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  of the episode where we let Matt do more of the token.
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  Right, Matt? So I'm sure some people
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  definitely heard U.S. chat a couple of weeks ago, but we kind
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  of went straight into, you know, the, the topic at hand or what
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  was going on was the, the new mythics wave and, but maybe just
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  a little bit of background on yourself.
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  So how long have you been collecting?
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  What, what have you been collecting?
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  I, I think I know you before from the masters of the universe
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  community. I've definitely seen you post
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  and and do stuff on the, for example, podcasters of the
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  Universe. You were definitely active in
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  that group. Absolutely.
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  I I was born in in 1980, so I think pretty close to when Mal
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  was right. Yeah, I'm 79, so I am the oldie
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  here, damn it. November 1980 for me, Matt.
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  I'm slightly older, end of September, so so when I was a
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  kid I did collect a lot of action figures.
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  That was my main the main toys that I had and and thankfully my
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  parents kept most of them so I still to this day have most of
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  my childhood collection. That's amazing.
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  I was just showing you earlier my he man, a battle cat is my
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  childhood one, as well as my Jabba, the hot place that that's
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  there too. That's my childhood as well.
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  So and and I I don't know, I was one of those kids where I never
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  like to get dirty. I never like to, you know?
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  Break anything. Or whatever.
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  Yeah. So, so all my stuff's in pretty
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  good condition other than when it degrades like the the heat
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  man, like bands and things like that, but not, not a whole lot.
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  I mean, some scratches and things, but they're all in in
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  pretty good shape. So Masters, I do have a lot of
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  Return of the Jedi items from Kenner.
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  I, I did one of the things I, I did get rid of pre COVID so I
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  certainly cannot foresee the future.
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  I got rid of them at a very low price compared to what they
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  would have gone for a few years later as all my GI Joes.
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  So that would have. Been I did something similar.
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  Yeah, but I don't need these. I have.
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  I don't need some room. I'm not going to play with those
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  anymore, you know, display them or whatever and a couple years
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  later, you know, each one could have sold for three or four
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  times probably what I got for them.
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  But and was that before the classified line came out?
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  Yes, yes, it was even before. It's probably like 2018 or early
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  in 2019 that made that unfortunate decision.
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  Yeah. But these things always are the
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  right choice at the time, you know, I think so.
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  I think we've all, we've all had similar things where we've sold
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  stuff and then gone. Maybe I shouldn't have but.
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  And certainly space is an issue, so I'm not sorry that I was able
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  to free up some space at least. Because then you you got some
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  more wonderful collectibles instead.
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  So after I was about, you know, maybe 10 in the, in the early
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  90s, I didn't really collect any toys.
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  I was into music and, you know, sports and, and things like that
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  through high school and into college and, and, and that, and
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  it was only when my first daughter was born in like 2012
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  that, you know, we started getting into, to toys for her,
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  of course, you know, like baby toys and things.
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  But once you got a little bit older, we started getting into
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  Lego because she really like Lego and she like Star Wars.
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  So I said, wow, there's a lot of Lego Star Wars things out there,
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  right? So I started buying those for
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  her and helping her build them. And as we were collecting more
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  of those, you know, those sets, I, I started just looking online
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  to see just in general more about toys.
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  I started, you know, finding myself watching more about it.
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  And then I found that there was masters classics.
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  And then a couple years later I found out mythic legions and
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  Star Wars black series and, you know, things like that.
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  So that that kind of started, I would say I've, I've been
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  actively collecting as an adult US for about 10 years.
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  Wow, yeah, that's, that's similar to me.
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  I started back into getting Lego sets and around the time my kids
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  were born as well. And then, yeah, Googling found
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  MOTU Classics, could not figure out that subscription thing.
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  Now it was in the middle of a year, so I suppose the
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  subscription wasn't open at the time.
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  I was looking it up and I was like, oh, look at all these
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  great figures and I can't order them.
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  How was this? And oh, yeah, I didn't, yeah.
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  I just wasn't in it enough to kind of grab it.
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  And just from the kind of reading of the website, I
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  couldn't grasp the concept that it might not be possible to
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  purchase something that's possible to purchase at some
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  point. So yeah.
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  And excellent. So and you have you have a
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  dedicated room for for your stuff or do you kind of?
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  It's kind of all over the place. I do have a dedicated room where
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  a lot of it is stored. I wouldn't say displayed.
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  So I'm I'm slightly better than the Dollar General bags, but but
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  not much. I have some some shelves, but
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  it's it's it's pretty cluttered. It's what I just showed you.
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  I'm here in my office recording and that's most of of what I
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  have on display is actually in my office.
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  So I have to come by and, you know, look at it and, you know,
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  maybe look at me a little bit strangely afterwards or try to
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  get out of my office as quickly as possible.
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  But I guess that's a pretty good thing too.
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  People tend to linger, right? Yeah, that's their problem
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  though, you know, And then the stats thing, obviously that
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  comes with your job and you're a teacher, professor is that.
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  Right. Yeah, I'm a professor at
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  Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, PA, in the US, and
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  I've been here for 18 years. Actually, my undergrad degree is
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  from Duquesne, so I came back and I'm teaching at my undergrad
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  institution. And are you from Pennsylvania as
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  well? Yeah.
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  I also lived in Ohio too, but that general area Pennsylvania
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  and Ohio other than when I went to Georgia Tech for my PhD in
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  Atlanta. So.
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  Very good. So he's he's definitely open the
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  intelligence this podcast this week, man.
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  Well. Hopefully the interest level as
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  well. I don't, I don't know, right?
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  I. Don't know, we have lots of As.
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  Interesting as they always we have.
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  Lots of episodes, you certainly can't please everyone every week
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  and we try and do our best people enjoy them and whatever
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  topic we do, we try and make it enjoyable as we will this one
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  and as you will Matt, because I really enjoyed my chat
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  previously with you. I like chatting to you on her
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  Discord and all those different things that we chat in.
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  So let's go for it right. I had to make.
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  A an academic level presentation with some terrible graphics.
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  Yeah, I love it. I love.
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  It so I can already grab your logo for yeah.
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  I I can send you the an image. Oh, perfect.
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  Yeah, you do that and. My logo I tried to be as old
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  school as possible with. Some.
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  Yeah. I like it.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You know, you have to. That was really good.
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  You have to do it you to lean so far in so that it looks like
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  yeah, he's purposely doing that. Not that absolutely, just
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  grabbed a computer for the 1st. And yeah, I, I, I generated as
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  many logos as it would let me so.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  Yeah. So this is related to.
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  So if you have been following at all or have seen any toiletics
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  videos and you will see that Matt has kind of quarterly
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  uploads. So you obviously can't really
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  analyze in any good way the the secondary market week to week.
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  You have to kind of pick it. It didn't make sense.
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  There's not a whole lot of changes week to week.
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  It's quarterly seem like a reasonable update level to me.
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  Yeah, exactly. And that makes sense.
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  It's probably for the YouTube algorithm, it's not the best
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  because you're kind of, you're active, really active and then
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  down and and people always say you should be one a week, but
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  yeah, that doesn't make sense for this type of stuff.
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  So I kicked. Around an idea of of maybe doing
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  some more like what's available currently, maybe some good deals
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  and things like that in the meantime, like in between to
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  fill that gap. But seems like a good idea.
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  Yeah. And then I've also started
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  collecting other lines of data. I've collected Mondo he masters
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  the Mondo masters line as well as I'm going to start Savage
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  Crucible because I can start from the beginning.
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  That's a good one. Yeah.
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  Yeah. A bit like Cosmic, you can start
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  I guess with, well, I mean, obviously you get into it, but
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  just to from an overall, I guess Cosmic now with the sale going
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  on and the prices must be reasonably flat.
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  I know Slog was maybe up there for a little while, but he seems
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  to be available again now at the retailers and some of them at
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  least. We'll get into that.
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  Yeah, OK, cool. So you give us a background then
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  on on. Yeah, you were.
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  We're talking about. Here, so I always like to try to
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  set expectations here and you know I am in the US so this is
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  going to be AUS perspective. I know we're on your allegiance,
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  so everything I. It's a relative and you won't
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  get enough data over here so. Yeah, it's directly related to
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  the US, but I think, you know, on an ancillary basis, a lot of
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  the same sorts of dynamics are at play abroad, you know, in
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  other. Parts, I remember occasionally
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  you've had an outlier for whatever reason.
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  Like I remember Torgan Redfin for example, when he was going
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  for like 100 and plus on in the US, he was still at retailers
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  here for a while, but that was in that period where kind of the
• 20:44
  retail distribution wasn't quite as ramped up as it is now and
• 20:48
  there was just a bit of a discrepancy.
• 20:50
  And yeah, it was very hard to get him in the US and it's like
• 20:53
  really easy here, but doesn't really happen anymore.
• 20:57
  So the the data that I've collected is all complete
• 21:00
  single, single figure sales. So there's no, lots of figures,
• 21:04
  there's no parts, there's no incomplete figures because it's
• 21:08
  hard to separate. Even with a lot of two of the
• 21:11
  same character, it's hard to know if they sold for $90.00, is
• 21:15
  that 45 each or is that, you know, would they have sold for
• 21:18
  50 individually and then somebody got, you know, gave a
• 21:21
  little discount for 40. So I, I, there's enough
• 21:23
  individual sales that I just focused on that.
• 21:28
  I did though, include both new and loose or repacked figures.
• 21:32
  So I've made note on every data point I collect, whether it's
• 21:35
  loose, repacked or new. And eventually I could go
• 21:39
  through and and see one of the things I'd like to do.
• 21:41
  I don't have this today, but one of the things I would like to do
• 21:43
  is see is there a premium for? Yeah, that would be.
• 21:47
  Versus loose and. Very useful information for
• 21:50
  people that are maybe buying the eyeball.
• 21:52
  Test is that for a lot of characters, no right?
• 21:55
  For a lot of characters the the loose and repacked price is
• 21:58
  basically the same, but I think for some characters there are so
• 22:02
  there is a difference. So anyway, the the old answer,
• 22:06
  it depends, right? Yeah, unfortunately.
• 22:09
  Yeah. But you could probably see
• 22:11
  logically that, you know, it might be a exclusive packaging
• 22:14
  for example, right? Something like that.
• 22:18
  Sales for figures released in All Stars and Reinforcements and
• 22:21
  The Mysteries of Mythos Mystery Box Wave are not distinct from
• 22:24
  sales of original releases, mainly because the sellers on
• 22:27
  eBay do not know what they have. Yeah, So they they don't know
• 22:31
  whether some some of them do, but for the most part they don't
• 22:34
  know whether it's a one point O wave figure or an All Stars
• 22:38
  three wave Malleus for for example.
• 22:41
  And then I did separate figures in convention packaging such as
• 22:46
  like Vorgas 2 from Legion Con separate from the standard.
• 22:49
  So that's that is a separate listing there.
• 22:52
  So looking at the data itself and and John sent me a bunch of
• 22:58
  questions ahead of time. So this is the data that I
• 23:00
  pulled together for today. These are the largest increase
• 23:04
  in average price from quarter one to quarter 2 of 2024.
• 23:09
  So the this is in dollars and then the next slide is in
• 23:12
  percentage. Got you.
• 23:15
  OK. So looking at the list for
• 23:18
  especially our podcast listeners, right, the number one
• 23:22
  increase was throat, iron jaw going from 27230 up to four,
• 23:26
  1642, an increase of $144.12. The thing with these though is
• 23:34
  that a lot of them like Etheron is on the list, Ray Gore is on
• 23:39
  the list, Gold Skeleton, Keltus, there's not a lot of sales.
• 23:44
  So whenever you see a few sales, you're generally going to see a
• 23:48
  lot more variability in price because if somebody really wants
• 23:51
  that figure, they have to buy it at the price that somebody has
• 23:55
  it posted for at the time. And sometimes that price is
• 23:58
  really high, sometimes that price is pretty low in
• 24:01
  comparison to what it has been going for a couple weeks ago or
• 24:05
  a couple months ago, for instance.
• 24:08
  It's interesting to see Gideon Heaven's Brandon Atlas the
• 24:11
  Conqueror on there. I would have assumed that you're
• 24:14
  more likely to see a drop in the price of those because of the
• 24:18
  two version twos that we're. Getting well now see that's a
• 24:22
  that's a good point. But that drop happened in
• 24:24
  quarter one. Right.
• 24:26
  OK, interesting. Because they were, they were
• 24:28
  revealed in November of last year.
• 24:31
  So the drop was in quarter one. And now they've come back up
• 24:34
  again because people, at least some people have realized maybe,
• 24:37
  maybe some people don't know another one's coming, but other
• 24:39
  people have realized maybe I still want that older figure
• 24:42
  too. Right.
• 24:44
  So I think if you looked at it across, it would be about the
• 24:46
  same level or maybe a little bit lower than it was in 2023.
• 24:51
  And this second one, the gold skeleton, that's really
• 24:53
  interesting because he was in the this recent wave, the now
• 24:57
  maybe the some of these. Sales, sales may have been in
• 25:00
  April and May, yeah, before that was was launched.
• 25:02
  I don't, I don't even know if any sold in June to be honest.
• 25:05
  So I think those were all in April and May.
• 25:08
  Same in the night. I wonder then if and you could,
• 25:11
  you'll know this better than I do Matt, I'm guessing the gold
• 25:14
  skeleton in the night, we may then see a drop in the next
• 25:18
  quarter. I would expect, yeah,
• 25:20
  absolutely. And I did see, I, I did pay
• 25:23
  attention to the night in June, they were selling for 1:20 to
• 25:28
  1:50 and and the price right now for all of quarter two was $247.
• 25:34
  Wow. So.
• 25:35
  Yeah, they were selling for two 5300 in April and May, and now
• 25:41
  they're selling for 1:20 to 1:50.
• 25:43
  Wow, 120 would would be tempting almost and.
• 25:47
  By the by the way, the the names here are all from source
• 25:51
  Horsemen, so they're some of them aren't what people really
• 25:53
  call them. The Knight is the original
• 25:55
  knight builder, yeah. Yeah.
• 25:57
  I just pull the name from source horsemen and people can complain
• 26:00
  about with them if they if they have the if they don't like the
• 26:04
  name that I use. And I see Jorund has continued
• 26:08
  his Yeah, pretty. High, too.
• 26:10
  Yeah. Up $76 from 187 to 263.
• 26:15
  And Ray Gore? Not surprising.
• 26:17
  Similar increase, 295 to 365. And I'll be, I'll be rich.
• 26:21
  I'm just really upset to see that Ravenna there.
• 26:25
  Yeah, because I know that's his least favorite figure.
• 26:27
  He def, if he sees this, he's definitely not going to have a
• 26:30
  Ravenna anymore on his chef. Even if he didn't, if he has
• 26:33
  one, Yeah, yeah. Or he'd be gutted that he sold
• 26:36
  it for 50 a couple of years ago here or something.
• 26:40
  What's crazy too, is that Etheron started quarter one at
• 26:44
  7:20 and he went up, yeah, just under 8.
• 26:48
  And we have Keltus of course, which you know there was there a
• 26:53
  sale of on Canon on during quarter 32 there was.
• 26:58
  Yes, but he didn't go up. He's, he's coming.
• 27:01
  Got you. OK.
• 27:02
  Yes. So this is the same list in
• 27:04
  percentage, Yeah, so. Yes, the same one in percentage,
• 27:07
  kind of kind of strange that you have like the night weapons sold
• 27:12
  $43 in quarter one and then up to 60 in quarter two, which is a
• 27:17
  just under 40% increase. Yeah, although I think people
• 27:20
  would, you know, as people normally look at dollar terms
• 27:24
  when it's at that price, they probably wouldn't be too
• 27:28
  bothered. But if there's a 40% increase
• 27:30
  when it's like 300 to 400, right, exactly, then they're
• 27:34
  like, whoa, yeah, so, but yeah, definitely interesting that they
• 27:38
  kind of pop in there a Lithia as well as is.
• 27:41
  Yeah, not surprising to see a Lithia on the bottom there
• 27:43
  because of the the the swapping possibilities with Thrace.
• 27:50
  Yes, kind of continued to go up. Yeah, you see all these when you
• 27:54
  when you know what's going on in the line.
• 27:56
  You can you can definitely read into these figures quite well as
• 28:01
  as well popping up there now she might again come she.
• 28:04
  Might go back down again. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:07
  So yeah, she was up 45% or so from 1:11 to 160.
• 28:13
  Wow, so. I'm guessing people that got her
• 28:16
  for 160 may be able to get her cheaper now.
• 28:19
  I'm not sure, but you would kind of expect that to be the case.
• 28:23
  Definitely. I mean the second one is, you
• 28:26
  know the first one, OK, if you if you're complete just maybe
• 28:28
  and you want the both versions, but the second one is definitely
• 28:31
  better and you don't lose out anything from the first version
• 28:34
  I would say. Absolutely.
• 28:38
  All right, and. Largely it's it's the same and
• 28:40
  and. Even like.
• 28:41
  Dollar wise, like a Lithia was maybe 15th this in the list as
• 28:44
  well. You know, just a few nudged her
• 28:47
  out, you know, because I just looked at the top 10.
• 28:51
  Gotcha. And and then.
• 28:53
  All right, so here's the. Decreases number one.
• 28:56
  Look at that. This is good.
• 28:59
  So there was an Unken and and if you watch Nerdzoic on YouTube,
• 29:04
  he also brought this up in January or so.
• 29:07
  I think I remember him $1500. Yeah, and that was the only one.
• 29:12
  So the average price was 15, you know, 1515 after shipping.
• 29:17
  And he's come down to 4:50. So that's a drop of $1067.
• 29:21
  So that's a fake drop, right? I mean, we all know that he
• 29:24
  wasn't worth $1500. I mean, who really knows if
• 29:28
  that's a real sale. I mean everything looks.
• 29:29
  That would be my other thing it. Looks like a normal sale.
• 29:32
  I mean it doesn't show anything different, but you know who
• 29:35
  knows with so few sales themselves like you know, the
• 29:41
  top look at the top three here we have unkind Sir Valgard and
• 29:43
  Otho as the top three decreases percentage or in in dollars.
• 29:49
  But again, there's very few there, so selling.
• 29:52
  But their prices are still, you know, 45443 for Valgard and 3:55
• 29:58
  for Otos. So right, still very high.
• 30:01
  The the 4th on the list is an obvious drop I think given.
• 30:06
  Yes, Orthock. Yeah, given that I.
• 30:09
  Was surprised he sold for 180 in quarter one.
• 30:11
  Yeah, I mean that seems like a really overpay there.
• 30:15
  Yeah. 71, you know, 99 seems a lot more reasonable in quarter
• 30:19
  too. You know what's really
• 30:20
  surprising about Gorethock is I've been doing this for a year.
• 30:24
  I've been collecting data for a year since July 1st of last year
• 30:28
  and the less than 10 sales on eBay for Gorethock super low
• 30:34
  like that figure does not come up at all at least historically,
• 30:38
  right. Obviously with all sort of six
• 30:40
  we're going to get a lot more availability.
• 30:41
  So that's a really, that's a really good re release for
• 30:44
  people that want him because he is just not available.
• 30:48
  Yeah, I remember listening to the My Wife's going to Kill Me a
• 30:51
  podcast a good few years ago, and they're one of their mates.
• 30:57
  Joe Crazy Bill. He bought like about 20 Gore
• 31:01
  talks, you know, he was collecting them.
• 31:05
  And yeah, so he's probably the only ones, but he's just he,
• 31:09
  there's so many of those local guys there that they that he
• 31:12
  just probably doesn't say they. Don't have any bit on eBay they.
• 31:15
  Can sell and yeah. At a swap or whatever.
• 31:17
  And Gortat can be a bit of an army builder as well, because
• 31:20
  you've got the helmeted head and the unhelmeted head.
• 31:23
  So yeah. And now we have the shadow orc.
• 31:26
  I would have expected, yeah, maybe people do want to go talk
• 31:29
  now for their Shadow or Carmy, but obviously he's coming in All
• 31:32
  Star Six. So you can, you can definitely,
• 31:35
  yeah. Yeah.
• 31:36
  He'd have to see a drop there back down to 50 almost, you
• 31:40
  know, maybe a little bit about 50 just to kind of keep the
• 31:45
  uniqueness maybe of the packaging or something.
• 31:48
  I don't know. Gorgo at the Blade.
• 31:51
  That's the original. Original.
• 31:53
  Yeah, that's the original 1. So his average price is now 46.
• 31:58
  Yeah, that's just a couple sales.
• 31:59
  And and what can happen when you only see a couple sales is I
• 32:02
  believe those are those are all loose, they are complete,
• 32:04
  they're all loose. So that loose versus new has a
• 32:08
  lot more of an impact when you're only dealing with a few
• 32:11
  sales. If all of the ones are new that
• 32:15
  with a higher price and then you know all the ones in another
• 32:17
  period of time are loose, chances are you know you may be
• 32:21
  seeing a little bit of that loose versus new issue in
• 32:24
  addition to just the character losing value.
• 32:26
  Got you. And then, yeah.
• 32:28
  So if you want a Gorgo original. Version.
• 32:31
  Now is definitely the time to to maybe try to look for one, yeah.
• 32:37
  OK. We have probably only one sale
• 32:38
  on Sir Galleron, I guess. I think there were two 'cause
• 32:42
  that have I'm not sure. Yeah, very again very few 34999
• 32:47
  to 27218 still pretty, pretty high.
• 32:50
  I think they're I think they're two though, maybe 3.
• 32:53
  Zylon of Faunus and Snag are the last three on these decreases.
• 32:58
  Yeah. So the other, you know, we're
• 32:59
  going to talk a little later about the Mysteries of Mythos.
• 33:02
  That's a little bit of a preview for the Mysteries of Mythos.
• 33:04
  Impact is Faunus and Snag on there.
• 33:07
  They're dropping down. Yeah.
• 33:09
  All righty. Let's move along.
• 33:11
  So that's in percentage. What?
• 33:12
  Is there any differences there? Yeah, there, there's a few,
• 33:15
  right. So certainly unken still at the
• 33:16
  top, Ortho is is next, but down at the bottom the Gorgo and
• 33:22
  Attila 2 pack is kind of interesting.
• 33:24
  That's the signature version, the one that was signed by the
• 33:27
  Horseman. Not a lot of sales on those.
• 33:30
  I think I think that was just one with shipping that added up
• 33:34
  to one O 280. That pack is really reasonable
• 33:40
  on the secondary market compared to its original price.
• 33:44
  I think it was 100. It was 100.
• 33:46
  Yeah, 110 with the signature. There you go.
• 33:48
  Yeah. So even the the just the regular
• 33:52
  one, that one obviously sells more often.
• 33:54
  The non sign version generally, you know, I I would say
• 33:58
  somewhere around 125 even shipped is about what you know,
• 34:04
  a pretty good price would be for those.
• 34:06
  What's interesting is some like Attila, the Attila two, he sells
• 34:10
  like 80 on his own. It's an excellent 2 pack.
• 34:13
  It's surprising to see that perhaps it's one of those where
• 34:18
  people feel they only need one of them.
• 34:20
  So there's not the the amount, you know, being sold.
• 34:25
  People are after that Attila 2 head for the cosmic mouth.
• 34:28
  Yeah, quite possibly. Yeah, quite possibly.
• 34:33
  Himself goes for the the higher price than the Gorgo does,
• 34:37
  definitely. I wouldn't have said that when
• 34:40
  you when they announced it back in the day.
• 34:41
  So it's amazing, isn't it? Yeah.
• 34:44
  And then the last one there is interesting as well, the deluxe
• 34:47
  female orc builder, so. Yeah, I've got a little more
• 34:49
  analysis on this as well. This is the one without the
• 34:53
  extra head. OK, so this is the one that came
• 34:57
  the tactics Orc female. The tax tactic one, but without
• 35:01
  the extra head. Yeah, not the forged founder
• 35:03
  version. And she's dropped down to 84,
• 35:05
  which is 25%. 25% drop. Interesting.
• 35:12
  Right now this, this I found interesting on your videos was
• 35:15
  the the number of sales. So pick out some highlights
• 35:18
  there for us. Yeah.
• 35:19
  So we have two numbers here for every entry.
• 35:22
  The top number is the number of sales in each quarter from the
• 35:25
  faction, and then the bottom is the average price.
• 35:28
  Now the average price is a little bit misleading I would
• 35:31
  say, because you've got weapons packs, you've got wings, you've
• 35:36
  got, you know, large figures, 2 packs, you know that sort of
• 35:40
  thing. So, you know, maybe take that
• 35:42
  one with a little bit of a grain of salt, but the the numbers
• 35:45
  that are more interesting here would be the number of of actual
• 35:48
  sales and probably not surprising.
• 35:52
  Aerothere is is number one by far right.
• 35:54
  So this data shows like 9000 observations.
• 35:58
  I have over 10,000 If you add things like, you know, no
• 36:03
  faction NA faction special releases, unknown one.
• 36:08
  I didn't put that sort of stuff in there.
• 36:09
  The only one that's different is the legions of light.
• 36:11
  That's the that's. The Valiant night, isn't it the.
• 36:14
  Valiant night. Exactly because he, you know, he
• 36:16
  sells so many and I figured it was worthwhile to put him in
• 36:19
  there. That's interesting.
• 36:20
  So we have nearly, so we have 9000 sales of Mythic Legions
• 36:25
  figures in the quarter. I would say over 10,000 if you
• 36:28
  look. Oh yeah.
• 36:29
  All the other pieces, yeah, these are just the.
• 36:32
  This is just part of a faction, yeah.
• 36:34
  Wow. And again, that's an.
• 36:36
  That's an understatement because I don't cover.
• 36:39
  The Facebook sales and all you. Know lots of figures I don't
• 36:43
  cover figures that might be missing a sword or a second head
• 36:48
  or something like that too right so the definitely a an
• 36:51
  underestimate yeah of of how much?
• 36:53
  And this is just eBay, right? Of course, we have the cabal and
• 36:55
  we have other places that these are sold to.
• 36:58
  Wow. So let's look at the most the
• 37:02
  most in expensive an average that.
• 37:06
  Would be, I think Etheron is the most expensive probably because
• 37:09
  you know, you get some real big heavy hitters there with Etheron
• 37:12
  and Dalgard. Yeah, we have.
• 37:16
  So Basilia is is also high? Yep.
• 37:20
  Mainly because like if you look at the, if you look at the top
• 37:24
  like 5 figures there, they're all over $150.00.
• 37:29
  You've got, you know, Balaam, you've got as a, yeah, some
• 37:35
  other ones too, that are Hera. True, Yeah, they're hard to get
• 37:39
  now. Yeah, Yeah.
• 37:40
  I just, I still have trouble getting my head around them
• 37:43
  being so high on the secondary market because that was around
• 37:48
  the time I got into the line and they were easy to get and I
• 37:53
  never ever thought about buying them on the secondary market.
• 37:55
  Whereas wave one, I always think of all they must be high because
• 37:59
  I miss them. You know, just a little bit of
• 38:02
  self bias there. And I also see it's interesting
• 38:04
  that the the House of the Noble Bear averages a higher price
• 38:07
  than it is brewed. So there you go, rich.
• 38:11
  Chew on that one. That's the same thing again
• 38:14
  there, isn't it? A number of them are older
• 38:17
  figures, yeah. Yeah, that'll come down come the
• 38:19
  Rising Suns way being released. It's just because they're more
• 38:22
  awesome figures. Now come on, it's true.
• 38:25
  Well, they they were absolutely due a release, that's the thing.
• 38:29
  And yeah, they're going to get more awesome with the new ones.
• 38:32
  I think so. Absolutely.
• 38:34
  I think what's also, if you go one back just for a second,
• 38:37
  John, the other thing too is that Aerothere, you know, number
• 38:39
  #1 as far as the number of sales, not surprising because
• 38:42
  there's so many figures, right? But #2 Xylone's flock also over
• 38:48
  almost 1300 sales there too. So lots of sales for Xylone's
• 38:52
  flock. The flock is good and the the
• 38:55
  average, so the average price of allegiance figure.
• 38:59
  Now that could be of course bigger figures taken into
• 39:02
  account, but even still an average of 88.
• 39:06
  So if you're picking up allegiance figure for the direct
• 39:10
  pre-order price, you're doing OK.
• 39:13
  You're doing pretty well. Yep.
• 39:15
  So here I looked individually at the highest number of sales and
• 39:19
  I sorted just by quarter 2 of 2024.
• 39:24
  So #1 Tide, Valiant Knight, and Swig.
• 39:27
  Wow, SWIG. 47 each. There might have been a bit of a
• 39:32
  bit of selling after the blind boxes for SWIG.
• 39:36
  I think big time. Yeah, I think, I think that
• 39:39
  Jeremy guy knows what he's doing.
• 39:43
  I think he's a pretty good marketer.
• 39:45
  Yeah, exactly. And now he's.
• 39:47
  Coming out with that story, I'm pretty sure that that generated
• 39:51
  some sales. Yeah, that's for sure.
• 39:53
  That's for sure. Yeah, yeah, I, I, that's funny
• 39:56
  little one here because I was talking last week about that.
• 39:58
  I'm going to do a swig for, you know, the 1000 swigs thing that
• 40:00
  we were talking about last week that Mal has done.
• 40:03
  And then we didn't have an extra Swigs to go and buy one.
• 40:07
  So I was doing the I was doing, I was picking up a couple of
• 40:11
  cosmic figures in the sale. So I threw a swig into the
• 40:15
  basket to to get my swig for customizing.
• 40:19
  So there you go, there's another one sold.
• 40:25
  You know, the rest of the list is mostly newer figures of
• 40:28
  course. Kind of makes sense that that
• 40:30
  would be the case. Couple of the the re releases
• 40:34
  though from the mysteries of mythos we have Snag and Zaria 32
• 40:38
  and 33 and then the Elf Ranger at 32 as well.
• 40:42
  Nice. In the quarter.
• 40:45
  So and then yeah, some of the others are from the in stock
• 40:48
  sale that was kind of start of the year each February.
• 40:51
  So if you think about it, it's really interesting to me.
• 40:54
  I mean, it's data, so I don't know.
• 40:56
  It's, it's good. You got to be interested in
• 40:59
  some, you know, respect in everything regardless.
• 41:03
  But if you think about like you know what, what do we have on
• 41:07
  the previous slide, we had 9000 sales right over the year that
• 41:11
  we looked at. If you divide that up, you've
• 41:13
  got about, you know, 22150 or so per quarter and the biggest
• 41:18
  number of sales is still less than 50.
• 41:21
  Yeah. Think about how many figures we
• 41:23
  have in this line if that's the case.
• 41:26
  Yeah. That's true 20. 250 and the most
• 41:29
  popular figure as far as the number of figures sold is still
• 41:32
  less than 50. Yeah.
• 41:35
  That's crazy. That's crazy it.
• 41:36
  Shows how big this line is. Yeah, it sure does.
• 41:38
  And how consistent it is kind of at, at the releases.
• 41:41
  I would say at this point it would have been, I think of
• 41:47
  course the hindsight's 2020, but you would have had a bonanza
• 41:50
  with this during the the first year of COVID.
• 41:53
  So 2020, because there was very little released from the studio
• 41:58
  because you know, they, they obviously it was hard to
• 42:01
  manufacture stuff. Everything was delayed.
• 42:03
  And everything was delayed etcetera.
• 42:05
  So and Big Bad had a lot of stuff on pre-order but nothing
• 42:09
  really in stock. So yeah, it would have been fun.
• 42:12
  And so the top 12 Grail figures, basically.
• 42:16
  So you asked. For Grails, yeah.
• 42:18
  I've got three pieces of data here.
• 42:20
  The Gray bar is the average, the blue dot is the minimum that
• 42:25
  they sold for 1/4 to, and the orange dot is the maximum.
• 42:29
  Right. So Uncan is around, is, is kind
• 42:32
  of the steadiest there. Yeah, he's, he's the top one.
• 42:35
  So I'm just going to read down the top 12 and then we can
• 42:39
  maybe. And I and I did 12 just because
• 42:41
  that's what the screen showed at once.
• 42:43
  I didn't want to cut it, I just figured 12 was good enough, so
• 42:47
  rather than 10. If you have somewhere all of
• 42:49
  these you can, you can feel happy but uncan.
• 42:54
  Sir Valgard Thord, Iron Jaw, Celtus Ray Gore, gold skeleton,
• 43:00
  so could see him drop out of this list possibly and Adam on
• 43:05
  Otto born steel hide Sir Galleron Jordan, rune shaper and
• 43:11
  the are there an eighth on two pack?
• 43:15
  So interesting. Now that is a 2 pack.
• 43:18
  So maybe they're cheating because you know, it's two
• 43:19
  figures, but still, it's it's one pack.
• 43:23
  It's one thing and they were actually sold to at the intern
• 43:28
  last year. So people that went to intern,
• 43:32
  there's always a little sale where you can buy a couple of
• 43:36
  figures or whatever. And they actually had this two
• 43:38
  pack. So people bought it for the was
• 43:42
  was 100 is the price of the two pack possibly.
• 43:46
  So they would have made a good deal even if they didn't want
• 43:49
  it. I think what's also interesting
• 43:53
  too is if you add the individual prices of Aerithea and Aethon,
• 43:58
  they exceed 250. Yeah, because Aethon is about
• 44:02
  175. Oh, is he?
• 44:04
  Yeah, he's gone up significantly.
• 44:07
  Oh I haven't, my next video is going.
• 44:08
  To be here, I haven't. I haven't recorded it yet, but
• 44:11
  the next one I'm doing is. Is oh, interesting.
• 44:15
  Yeah. And also, I suppose Aerithea is
• 44:17
  also coming around to if we had that cycle of, you know, the
• 44:21
  versus factions that's now over and we now don't know what we're
• 44:27
  getting in this G con, But if you were to follow the same
• 44:32
  cycle again, we would be back to Arith here.
• 44:35
  But I guess they'll probably do something different that's for
• 44:38
  future speculations. Hopefully we get a couple of
• 44:41
  hints to point in the right direction so that we're not
• 44:43
  going to make it total show about ourselves.
• 44:45
  But the biggest variant surprise here is Sir Valgard, and I think
• 44:53
  that's probably down to him being not, you know, firstly,
• 44:57
  he's we know. I think we know what don't can
• 45:00
  as well and the MO to ones that they're not going to be redone
• 45:05
  again. But Valgard is the first
• 45:07
  Kickstarter exclusive, so very hard to get him even for sale no
• 45:13
  matter what you're willing to pay.
• 45:15
  I don't know which is what gutted it from the person who's
• 45:19
  sold for 2:50 or the person who's paid 800.
• 45:25
  If I remember correctly, the 800 is a new one.
• 45:28
  Was definitely a new one and the 250 was a was.
• 45:31
  A was an older one. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:33
  Oh, wasn't used one. OK, did it was.
• 45:35
  A loose Yeah, it was. OK.
• 45:37
  Yeah, because I guess the bio card would be importance for for
• 45:41
  someone like Valgard I. Consider the bio card as
• 45:44
  important. It is one of the things that I'm
• 45:46
  like them got a full package. I would consider it important
• 45:51
  for older figures, yeah. If I'm getting, you know, extras
• 45:57
  or once, you know, if I would army build a couple of figures,
• 46:01
  then I'm not really worried, yeah.
• 46:03
  Exactly that. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:05
  The what may be surprising, I think to me is that Otho's so
• 46:09
  low. He's about, you know, 8th or
• 46:12
  9th. We think of him being number
• 46:13
  one. But if you look at that, that's
• 46:15
  one sale because the men, the Max and the average is all the
• 46:19
  same number. Right, so.
• 46:21
  It it's one sale, so if you look at the minimums, he's the second
• 46:25
  most expensive. Yeah, that's right.
• 46:29
  So this is the problem with having such little data with
• 46:33
  some of these figures. But this is where you can, you
• 46:36
  know, revisit it year on year even, and you will your figures
• 46:41
  will get more and more accurate over time.
• 46:45
  But it still shows you I think if you asked and fairly
• 46:48
  knowledgeable Legions fan to name the top 12 based on price
• 46:52
  they wouldn't get too far of these yeah, they get I'd say
• 46:56
  eight would be would be probably hit here for me it raises.
• 47:01
  An interesting question as well. What is rarity?
• 47:04
  Is rarity the number that are out there or the availability of
• 47:08
  it? And that suggests Otho is more
• 47:12
  rare than the others because there's only one person willing
• 47:16
  to let that figure go. So.
• 47:18
  For a price, somebody was willing to pay for it.
• 47:20
  Yeah, Yeah, of course. Yeah.
• 47:23
  Whereas some of the others, people are going Nah, Nah, that
• 47:26
  can go. That can possibly because of how
• 47:28
  much they can ask for them. But yeah, it's interesting.
• 47:34
  This, this next graph, I don't know why I made this originally,
• 47:39
  but I, I think it's kind of interesting to see that this is
• 47:41
  the count of the number of, of sales per day.
• 47:46
  So for the last, you know, 370 days or so, and there are some
• 47:52
  days here like September 20th and April 20th of this year,
• 47:57
  there were huge spikes like over 100 units sold in one day.
• 48:01
  Wow. And then, for the most part,
• 48:04
  have you dug? Deeper into any of those those
• 48:07
  two big spike days or. No, not significantly.
• 48:13
  Like did someone put their collection up for sale or
• 48:16
  something it. Could have been that could be
• 48:18
  the case because there are a lot of auctions when an auction
• 48:21
  ends, if somebody auctions like 50 figures, they'll.
• 48:24
  All be swimmed that day. Yeah.
• 48:26
  So that I want to say that's what happened in April because
• 48:29
  that data I just collected. So it's kind of fresh in my
• 48:31
  mind. I think that's what happened.
• 48:33
  But is that there were? So many.
• 48:35
  The other thing to say about this graph is is that it was
• 48:38
  June 20th. Upward trend in general.
• 48:40
  Yeah. So that's what I I put there is
• 48:42
  that there is a statistically significant trend of the amount
• 48:48
  of sales per day increasing over time.
• 48:50
  So if you look at the coefficient there in the formula
• 48:53
  in the little box, it says .0335 units per day that we add on
• 49:00
  average. So if you multiply that by 30,
• 49:02
  that's about one unit per day extra that we're selling per day
• 49:06
  every month. Wow.
• 49:07
  So over the course of the year, we're seeing an increase of
• 49:10
  somewhere around 11:50 units per day from July 1st of 23 to July
• 49:16
  1st of 24. Be interesting to see when that
• 49:21
  gets to the point where the number of new fans aren't
• 49:24
  growing or you know, and then the prices start to in general
• 49:27
  come down because. Exactly.
• 49:28
  My thought is that this, at least to me, I mean I'm not an
• 49:31
  expert here, but it seems to be some indication of a healthy
• 49:35
  line. Yeah.
• 49:37
  Is that there's still a market for more and more of these
• 49:40
  figures selling every day. That's that seems to be good for
• 49:44
  me. Now, you could say, you know,
• 49:46
  you could have a pessimistic viewpoint too, and say, well,
• 49:49
  more people are dumping their collections, but somebody has to
• 49:51
  buy it. Yeah.
• 49:52
  So I mean, every transaction has to have two parties.
• 49:55
  So I, I don't know, it's, it's hard to tell.
• 49:58
  And we, and to be fair, we also know that with the older
• 50:05
  figures, there was a a bit a tendency for people to buy
• 50:09
  multiples of figures knowing that they increased in value.
• 50:15
  So the potential is these are older figures up to a point that
• 50:21
  are selling rather than the newer figures that probably
• 50:24
  aren't selling as many because there's more availability and
• 50:27
  people are aware there's more availability of the newer
• 50:30
  figures as well. Yeah, but again, there's many
• 50:34
  more retailers than they are used to be.
• 50:36
  True. Yes.
• 50:37
  So this is just eBay, right. So this is the secondary market.
• 50:40
  You don't have to go on the secondary market to find a lot
• 50:43
  of the newer figures. They're still in stock and a lot
• 50:46
  of retailers. Yeah.
• 50:48
  But you know, and unlike say we said the stock market to take
• 50:51
  for an example of something that's like more of a perfect
• 50:54
  market because the information is kind of more of a, you know,
• 50:58
  the people are trading on the stock market.
• 51:00
  They have all the information, or at least they should do
• 51:02
  because that's their professionals about it.
• 51:05
  This is people. Some people have way more
• 51:08
  information about the figures and the line and what the price
• 51:11
  is than others. So this is where you get some
• 51:14
  wonky stuff in the data because, well, you have people.
• 51:18
  And I'm hoping that that's my niche as far as my channel.
• 51:22
  And, and that's sort of the analysis that I'm doing is to,
• 51:25
  to help people see more of that data to, to try to limit some of
• 51:29
  that asymmetry, as we would call it in, in the data between, you
• 51:32
  know, parties. I think the other thing that you
• 51:35
  have to, to look at too, is that there's people, you see it on
• 51:37
  the cabal all the time, right? People get into a financial
• 51:41
  difficulty for whatever reason in their regular life and they
• 51:44
  have to sell their figures, right?
• 51:45
  And the same thing happens on eBay too.
• 51:47
  So there's, there's that issue too.
• 51:49
  That is almost impossible to predict other than like general
• 51:52
  trends of the economy doing well or not doing well.
• 51:56
  Totally. And when there's when there's
• 51:58
  more and more competition out there, do you want to be the guy
• 52:00
  that you know, hangs out for the best price or do you want to be
• 52:03
  the guy that's undercutting it and just guaranteeing yourself a
• 52:06
  sale? So there's lots of different
• 52:09
  types of sellers, I guess. And right here's an interesting
• 52:12
  one. Yeah.
• 52:13
  So John, you asked, you know, are there figures that are
• 52:17
  selling for less than retail? And this is basically that list.
• 52:24
  Now of course, some of these are above retail, right?
• 52:26
  So retail is $50. All these are standard figures.
• 52:29
  So retail is $50. I took everything else out and
• 52:33
  you can see that there's a a lot of figures here on the secretary
• 52:35
  market that are selling for definitely less than 50 in that
• 52:39
  $40 range. Some of them even average less
• 52:41
  than $50 like Okie Dos and Azar and Bryophytis.
• 52:45
  Again, probably not surprising to people who spend a lot of
• 52:49
  time in in the legions realm, so to speak, in mythos, right?
• 52:55
  But there are still a lot that are available at, you know,
• 53:01
  something that's less than retail.
• 53:04
  So I think it's a. Surprising one on there.
• 53:06
  The two let's say would be Zylonian Guard and Gorgo.
• 53:12
  Maybe Japan as well. I'd have expected them to still
• 53:15
  be getting them rated at least. I think those are the ones in a
• 53:21
  year or two that you will see will no longer be near this
• 53:25
  list, whereas some of these others might still be be
• 53:28
  somewhere on this chart. I, I always, I wonder with the
• 53:32
  more recent, should we say power con motu slash figures like
• 53:37
  Xenothan bride fighters? And is it now the point where
• 53:42
  there's enough of them produced that the kind of people that
• 53:46
  come in from the motor angle have got them and are aware of
• 53:49
  them? And so you will never have
• 53:53
  another Uncan or Celtis or Adam on situation with these it looks
• 53:57
  like. I, I don't think that's the
• 53:59
  case. I don't think I, I mean, I agree
• 54:01
  with you. I don't think we'll ever see
• 54:03
  something like Celtis Adam on on can again.
• 54:07
  Even, I mean the data shows even even some of the ones like
• 54:11
  Cowaros or Melina that are you know, 90 to $100, we're not
• 54:16
  seeing that anymore either. No, and I think an interesting
• 54:21
  one on here for me is Bronze Dwarf.
• 54:24
  So OK, retail for the bronze Dwarf was Legion builder price.
• 54:28
  So I said 30 just just to be kind of what you get another con
• 54:31
  for, right. And it's OK it it's nearer to
• 54:36
  60, but it's still, for a figure that's probably much more harder
• 54:40
  to get now than it was a year ago, it's still not too bad.
• 54:45
  And. I wonder if some.
• 54:47
  I mean I know it's a different looking figure, but I wonder if
• 54:49
  the cavern dwarf has kind of stolen some of its Thunder.
• 54:51
  The Cavern. To.
• 54:52
  Becoming more available might have brought that down because I
• 54:56
  know it's different color and everything, but it's still.
• 54:58
  Yeah, but a lot of the dwarf sales are people looking to do a
• 55:02
  pop and swap or a custom. Oh, I, I wanted to mention what
• 55:06
  I put in the in the title here. I excluded Poxis because again,
• 55:10
  just released basically all of those are less than retail or at
• 55:13
  retail. On the secondary market?
• 55:15
  And the deluxe Legion builder, I I wanted to get those out of
• 55:18
  here too for this particular. Graph but.
• 55:21
  I I think going back to your point about this, I learning
• 55:24
  Garden Duban, I agree that I would, I would see maybe in a
• 55:28
  year those would be, you know, in the 60 plus range.
• 55:32
  But I I think and and again this is just me, but I get the
• 55:35
  feeling that that All Stars 5 plus wave was overproduced.
• 55:41
  Yeah. Or there was.
• 55:42
  Yeah. They got a lot of inventory from
• 55:44
  that. Or they, you know, whether it
• 55:46
  was overproduced or they got a lot of retailers that over
• 55:49
  ordered, that's still in stock in a lot of places.
• 55:53
  When you know, other waves that have come out, you know, some of
• 55:56
  the waves have come and gone, you know, like cosmic one is
• 56:00
  sold out a lot of places. The vow guitar book one sold out
• 56:03
  in a lot of places. But you can still find basically
• 56:06
  all of those All Stars 5 plus the, the, the even the new
• 56:09
  figures right that we're talking.
• 56:10
  About the new figures that was the wave that was produced very
• 56:13
  quickly as in because they slaughtered it in because there
• 56:16
  was a delay on cosmic. So I think it was six months
• 56:19
  from pre-order to production. So I do wonder if that has a
• 56:24
  factor in it. I don't know.
• 56:25
  Yeah, could be. But yeah, interesting to see,
• 56:29
  eh, because there's a lot of good figures in that wave.
• 56:32
  Yeah, and two of my favorites as we just mentioned.
• 56:38
  If you look at the top of the list, I think you're, you're
• 56:40
  kind of seeing the pattern that that we're expecting to see for
• 56:44
  these others with Sir Owain and Mallius, right, where those are
• 56:47
  older All Stars figures that are less available at retail
• 56:51
  anymore. So now the price is increasing
• 56:53
  and they're close to 60. That's kind of the the typical
• 56:56
  trajectory we would probably expect.
• 56:59
  He is. Even too, he's right around 50.
• 57:01
  He's kind of the next one in Scaphoid are the next ones to
• 57:04
  to. Try to Jonathan Hughes, one of
• 57:07
  our friend of our show as well his his best efforts on VITAS
• 57:12
  not not quite getting him up there.
• 57:14
  Probably good though because you know he can get more than right
• 57:19
  reinforcements. Too, Yeah, so I I brought this
• 57:22
  up just in comparison with the last chart right.
• 57:26
  So reinforcements too is was available a lot after, you know
• 57:31
  long time after some of these other waves that we showed on
• 57:34
  the previous chart. But look at these prices.
• 57:36
  Yeah, so. Like every one of these is of
• 57:39
  the standard figures is between 50 and $60.
• 57:42
  Yeah, and they were all. 26 individuals. 26, yeah, in, in
• 57:46
  the pre-order and then, you know, shipping, if you bought a
• 57:49
  lot of them, your shipping is going to maybe bring it up to 28
• 57:53
  a figure. If you're in the US, maybe
• 57:54
  closer to 3030 even. 30, yeah, even over here.
• 57:59
  I mean, I think I averaged it out.
• 58:01
  We've got a big order with a couple of people here and
• 58:04
  averaged it out as around 30 something a figure. 30 early 30s
• 58:08
  a figure. So what?
• 58:09
  What's the common denominator in the reinforcements?
• 58:13
  Two wave. The.
• 58:14
  Availability. Yeah, they're all not a You can.
• 58:16
  Only get them through the horsemen.
• 58:18
  Yeah. And then the next playground for
• 58:21
  them is eBay. Exactly right so in it this is
• 58:26
  how I've changed my purchasing right is that I still buy an all
• 58:30
  in generally because in Pennsylvania we get pretty good
• 58:33
  shipping and it's not too expensive, but I mean I can
• 58:35
  still pay 20 to $30.00 for an all in for shipping it's.
• 58:38
  Not super cheap, it's not crazy, but.
• 58:41
  It's way better than many other people in the US and elsewhere
• 58:45
  in the world, for sure. Right.
• 58:46
  So I do that because of the discount, but everything else I
• 58:49
  generally get on the secondary market if it's going or not
• 58:52
  secondary market, I should say from retailers if it's going to
• 58:57
  retail. And the ones I still buy from
• 59:00
  the Horsemen are the ones that are not going to retail things
• 59:04
  like these in the all In or not in the All in the in stock sale
• 59:08
  that they did recently. Yeah.
• 59:10
  And then of course the figuras and stuff that they sell direct
• 59:15
  as well, you know, obviously. OK, so that's that.
• 59:20
  That was very interesting one mysteries of Mithos market
• 59:24
  mayhem. I love that headache.
• 59:29
  So these are the 14 figures just in alphabetical order that were
• 59:35
  reproduced. Yeah, according to the Instagram
• 59:38
  post from the Horseman, Right. And I checked the sales and
• 59:42
  basically they were at their new prices around April 25th.
• 59:49
  So my cut off is April 25th, 2024.
• 59:52
  If it's sold before that, it goes into the before bucket.
• 59:55
  If it's sold April 25th or after, it's in the after bucket.
• 59:59
  Gotcha. And here are the changes in
• 1:00:01
  price. They're all decreases in
• 1:00:04
  averages and you can see some decreased more than others.
• 1:00:08
  So if you look at Kador for instance, he was 16640
• 1:00:13
  beforehand. And one O 957 after.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah. So that's.
• 1:00:20
  One 5%. Of the that's the one I would
• 1:00:22
  have guessed had the biggest decrease because he was
• 1:00:25
  definitely the most rare of those RE issues for me I think.
• 1:00:31
  And what's kind of funny, if you just look at the stats, he that
• 1:00:35
  difference is only significant at the 10% significance level
• 1:00:39
  compared with 1% for most of the others, even though it's the
• 1:00:42
  highest decrease because the variability of the before prices
• 1:00:47
  for Kador was astronomical and some were selling for 300 and
• 1:00:51
  some were selling for 100. Huge variability beforehand and
• 1:00:56
  only a few data points. So you, you don't get a lot of
• 1:01:01
  statistical significance there when there's only a few data
• 1:01:04
  points, right? But everything else for the most
• 1:01:07
  part is significant at that 1% level except a few of the
• 1:01:12
  smaller decreases. So but some some of the other
• 1:01:15
  major decreases are Shadow Elve Ranger and Sir Godfrey both over
• 1:01:19
  27% decrease and Hagnon 26% decrease.
• 1:01:26
  Proper order. And snag 26% decrease and sorry
• 1:01:33
  and brother Mandibulus and Faunus around a 20% decrease.
• 1:01:37
  Great figures and Conks is an interesting one.
• 1:01:40
  He's pretty much held steady. Yep, Conks is has has held
• 1:01:44
  steady. So he's around the 100 to now
• 1:01:47
  92, so Yep. And.
• 1:01:49
  The Fury clan org as well. Oh yeah, just above. 78 to 73.
• 1:01:55
  There you go. So there's a very interesting
• 1:01:58
  table for all of you, ones that participated in the Mysteries of
• 1:02:02
  Mythos, and if you're looking to snag 1 now, no pun intended.
• 1:02:07
  The snag? A snag?
• 1:02:09
  You can see what's your best options are there and and I
• 1:02:14
  think, I think it's clear to me that hang on the lowest price of
• 1:02:19
  these available still on secondary market 57.
• 1:02:23
  I think that makes sense because of the hang on the blue one,
• 1:02:26
  right? The blue, it's kind of a double
• 1:02:28
  yeah effect. Yeah, I think there's a bit of
• 1:02:30
  hag non fatigue now. And I know that, you know, some,
• 1:02:34
  some people had valid concerns about the whole process of a
• 1:02:38
  mystery box and, and all that. And that's definitely
• 1:02:42
  understandable. And, you know, definitely valid
• 1:02:46
  concern and not liking that sort of, you know, gambling aspect
• 1:02:49
  and, and that. But I think if you look at these
• 1:02:52
  sorts of prices, it's really hard to argue that it was a bad
• 1:02:56
  thing overall for the market because there's so many more
• 1:02:59
  figures that were available at a more reasonable price.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah. And this is we were.
• 1:03:05
  Able to pay before. This is definitely a table you
• 1:03:07
  should do again in end of September and you'll you'll get
• 1:03:11
  A and if it it might stay the same or similar or it might even
• 1:03:16
  go down further would be my guess.
• 1:03:17
  Right, so I did a version 2 effect.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah. So this this is definitely
• 1:03:23
  preliminary because we don't have a lot of version twos that
• 1:03:26
  are actually out there right now.
• 1:03:29
  But this is how the version twos have changed compared, you know,
• 1:03:34
  the prices of the version twos are versus the prices for the
• 1:03:37
  original figures there. And we're, and obviously this is
• 1:03:42
  going to be more relevant moving forward because we're going to
• 1:03:44
  see more and more of these in the future.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah. So what's the biggest one here?
• 1:03:53
  The biggest one, the biggest change I think is I mean it's
• 1:04:01
  it's certainly Gorgo, you know, in in quarter two, you know,
• 1:04:04
  because he dropped so much, right, the original Gorgo, but
• 1:04:07
  if you look at quarter one, right, he was, you know, 14239.
• 1:04:11
  So again, just not a lot of sales for him.
• 1:04:15
  What's what's a little more interesting to me is looking at
• 1:04:17
  like Baron Volgar, right? Because you know, we had that
• 1:04:20
  original figure, All Stars three and then we had the Baron Volgar
• 1:04:23
  2 that came out of the Lithia wave and both of them now are
• 1:04:28
  well above retail price. Because they're not really
• 1:04:31
  available. Anywhere else and the Baron
• 1:04:34
  Volgar one has a higher price than the Baron Volgar 2.
• 1:04:38
  I wonder if that comes down to it's it's a good one to be used
• 1:04:42
  as a legion builder. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Now if you get your Baron Bollegard 2, you can have two
• 1:04:48
  helmets of the original bee either side of him.
• 1:04:51
  As gods may have done this, Ma'am may have done this.
• 1:04:58
  It's also possible that, and again, I don't know, I don't
• 1:05:02
  know this for sure, but even if you count the original Baron
• 1:05:05
  Bollegard figure, whatever wave he was released in, Covenant of
• 1:05:08
  Shadows I think, and then All Stars 3 if you add both of those
• 1:05:12
  together and how many were produced, it's possible there
• 1:05:16
  are more Baron Volgaard twos out there just because the Lion got
• 1:05:20
  so much bigger in the time when a Lithia came out.
• 1:05:23
  I'm not sure you know, that's total speculation of.
• 1:05:26
  Course yeah and interesting to see so Vargas Familias the
• 1:05:30
  original has got a re release in All Stars too, and also we've
• 1:05:34
  had the version two now with the legions con and non legions
• 1:05:38
  conversion and his price is still steady at 100 and 30.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, right around 130. It's, it's been pretty stable
• 1:05:45
  every quarter. I mean, quarter one dipped a
• 1:05:47
  little bit, but quarter Two's back up to 130.
• 1:05:50
  So he's a popular figure. Artemis is is kind of hard too
• 1:05:55
  because the that original figure was a deluxe so it's it's hard
• 1:05:58
  to compare. That's true, yeah.
• 1:06:01
  But as you can see, the both figures are very popular.
• 1:06:05
  True, and that Artemis original comes with fairly unique wings
• 1:06:09
  so I think people are are probably interested in those as
• 1:06:13
  it is forge founder effect so and.
• 1:06:16
  Then we have the forge. Founder Effect.
• 1:06:18
  The Tactics. Yes.
• 1:06:21
  So this is basically how much is somebody willing to pay for a
• 1:06:25
  little head. That's what this that was.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah, I, I rehearsed that one right.
• 1:06:34
  And I would be proud. That's what I I don't want to
• 1:06:37
  call it out, but yeah, I figured as much.
• 1:06:40
  So again, the top line here is the average price, the bottom
• 1:06:44
  line is the number of sales. So not a lot of sales.
• 1:06:46
  These have become kind of forgotten I think a little bit
• 1:06:49
  don't hear a lot about them anymore.
• 1:06:52
  In quarter two, we had the lowest sales possible, like I
• 1:06:55
  mean 1/3 of what was sold in quarter four of last year just
• 1:06:58
  as an example. But looking at them you can see
• 1:07:01
  that if you just go from top to bottom, the female elf builder
• 1:07:05
  more recently that additional head is selling for like $27.00
• 1:07:11
  more. Wow.
• 1:07:13
  Because that's the only difference between those.
• 1:07:14
  Figures now. Historically, it's only about $8
• 1:07:16
  different. Yeah, and it's it's obviously
• 1:07:20
  you get the the package as well. There is a little packaging
• 1:07:22
  difference if. People a little bit, yeah, but.
• 1:07:24
  It's not worth. Not like a legions con type
• 1:07:27
  package though, it just adds a little.
• 1:07:28
  No, it's just a little logo. Yeah, right.
• 1:07:32
  The female orc builder, again similar sort of difference here
• 1:07:35
  we have about $28.00 difference and historically that's about 12
• 1:07:40
  or so of a of a higher price. The male elf builder not as
• 1:07:44
  high, right, It's only about a $5 difference, but historic
• 1:07:47
  recently, but historically more so like a $19.00 difference, not
• 1:07:53
  really $21.20, one dollar difference.
• 1:07:57
  And then the male work builder recently we had what's that
• 1:08:02
  about about $19.00 or so. And then historically it's only
• 1:08:07
  been about 5. Wow.
• 1:08:09
  So. This this is a.
• 1:08:12
  Different thing willing to pay. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:08:15
  So the combination of the head and the packaging, but I think
• 1:08:19
  if you're buying these, you're probably opening them.
• 1:08:21
  So just ahead. If you look at the at the first
• 1:08:25
  like the upper left hand corner though the female elf builder
• 1:08:28
  for instance, right quarter three 2023 when they were
• 1:08:31
  released the one without the extra head went for more.
• 1:08:36
  That's just which anomaly there's.
• 1:08:38
  Again, it's just like the and the same thing with the female
• 1:08:41
  orc builder in quarter one, right.
• 1:08:43
  So again, when you get down to a few sales, people don't know
• 1:08:47
  that's that. Information which you were
• 1:08:48
  talking about. Earlier, you're always going to
• 1:08:50
  have that right. If you see more and more sales,
• 1:08:52
  though, you're going to get to show that that extra head is
• 1:08:55
  worth a little bit just. Cosmic legions.
• 1:09:00
  So yeah. So this is this is everything.
• 1:09:03
  Before, yeah. And basically again, this is
• 1:09:08
  this is largely before the sale happened.
• 1:09:12
  Yeah. Because this this stops in June
• 1:09:14
  30th, basically everything is below retail price.
• 1:09:21
  Wow on eBay, Yeah, yeah, and the.
• 1:09:25
  Only thing that is not a below retail price is what we what I
• 1:09:30
  said earlier. Walter the mad cosmic
• 1:09:33
  individual. Walter selling for about $60.
• 1:09:37
  Oh yeah, because you could get, you could only get him direct.
• 1:09:39
  From this the direct sale or at the shows?
• 1:09:44
  And then? Everything else is less.
• 1:09:46
  We can see this the odd high seller for almost every figure,
• 1:09:51
  but if you particular someone bought an operative 83 for quite
• 1:09:56
  high, but that's probably in the period where it was the power
• 1:09:58
  con one. Well, this is just quarter two,
• 1:10:01
  so this is. This.
• 1:10:03
  I mean, it might have been just before, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Just before it was released, yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Right, so now is the time to you've you've heard it here now
• 1:10:12
  between the sale that's going on between what Matt has shown you
• 1:10:15
  is going on in eBay here. If you're thinking about cosmic,
• 1:10:20
  you're not going to get a lower prices for this in the early
• 1:10:24
  waves. And if in four years time these
• 1:10:28
  are going for a wave 1 mythic prices.
• 1:10:31
  Looking at this video, when I told you so told you so that and
• 1:10:36
  so you're Obscura. This is this is one that
• 1:10:40
  definitely is going to have some variation.
• 1:10:45
  Yes and no, right. So you know for the Headless
• 1:10:47
  Horseman, for example, we, you know, we have both releases have
• 1:10:50
  both been out for a while and the price is basically about the
• 1:10:53
  same between the original release and the Spectral green
• 1:10:58
  release. For the other ones where we have
• 1:11:01
  releases like Father Christmas and Krampus, the original still
• 1:11:05
  commands some sort of premium because I think of the it's a
• 1:11:10
  preferred version for a. Lot of that original Krampus is
• 1:11:13
  nearly 100 on average. Wow.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, yeah, that original Krampus is getting hard to find.
• 1:11:19
  It's the price is increasing pretty significantly.
• 1:11:24
  But the other, the other thing that I think stands out here is
• 1:11:27
  and, and I have some individual sales to kind of make this point
• 1:11:30
  as well. But once the figure originally
• 1:11:33
  sells, if you don't get it in the original sale from the
• 1:11:36
  Horseman, my, my recommendation is just wait.
• 1:11:40
  Because especially with figure Obscura, we know that for the
• 1:11:44
  most part, at least if, if the future continues the way that
• 1:11:47
  the the past has that they're going to release the retail
• 1:11:51
  version, right. They're a year or so later and
• 1:11:54
  that's going to kind of temper the value of the original two,
• 1:11:57
  maybe not exactly the same, but for a while it'll settle around
• 1:12:02
  that kind of 75 to $90.00 range, which is not the 120 that these
• 1:12:09
  are going for on eBay right when when they're sold out from the
• 1:12:12
  Horseman. Yeah, that's much closer to what
• 1:12:15
  you get them for because you you still have to factor in shipping
• 1:12:18
  and even in the USA it's probably 15 to 20 no matter
• 1:12:23
  where you live for just a figure.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, maybe if you get 2, you could probably get the same
• 1:12:29
  shipping. But you know, everyone is
• 1:12:31
  probably scrambling together and all in or one at the start and
• 1:12:35
  then they go back and see what they bought.
• 1:12:39
  Even I think it's pretty well established that the Monkey King
• 1:12:44
  is, you know, probably one of them, the most well regarded of
• 1:12:48
  these figures, right? And even he's just above $80.00
• 1:12:50
  right now. Yeah, he's, he's actually lower
• 1:12:52
  on average than Krampus, the original, which, OK, when you
• 1:12:56
  take it that Krampus is a little bit older, but I would have
• 1:13:00
  thought Monkey King is more popular and then maybe he's
• 1:13:02
  gonna retail. Yeah, maybe the retail version
• 1:13:06
  has settled that down because it's not hugely different and.
• 1:13:09
  And this is just my viewpoint here, but I think the other
• 1:13:12
  thing that we have to remember too is that a lot of people will
• 1:13:15
  tend to forget looking at the new things that are out, whether
• 1:13:20
  it be in legions lines or other lines as well.
• 1:13:23
  And they're always looking at what's coming next after the
• 1:13:27
  hype dies down for maybe three months to six months.
• 1:13:30
  You can generally, you know, you may not be able to pay the
• 1:13:33
  direct prices anymore, but you're not going to pay double
• 1:13:36
  if you just wait a little bit. And that's my biggest suggestion
• 1:13:40
  to everybody out there is, you know, I, I have it on the last
• 1:13:44
  slide where I talk about suggestions, patience, right?
• 1:13:47
  I mean, we, none of us have a lot of patience where we want
• 1:13:50
  it, when we want it, right? It's understandable.
• 1:13:53
  But if you, if you can have that patience, you can, you know, at
• 1:13:57
  least try to save yourself some money.
• 1:14:00
  So John, you asked about like when do a lot of sales happen?
• 1:14:04
  I, this graph really stood out to me.
• 1:14:06
  This is the Volqatar book one cosmic legions, right?
• 1:14:09
  So I was looking at this when I made my my video for for this
• 1:14:13
  look at these peaks. So we had these are just the
• 1:14:15
  number of of units. So each color is a different
• 1:14:18
  character. OK.
• 1:14:20
  So we had a lot of sales when it first came out in July and
• 1:14:23
  August of last year. We had a lot of sales in
• 1:14:26
  November and December when Vulgatar book two came out, and
• 1:14:30
  we had a lot of sales in May of this year when Outpost Axios
• 1:14:33
  came out. So it's always around the time
• 1:14:36
  of the drop. Always when the drop happens,
• 1:14:38
  people remember this line exists and then they start trying to by
• 1:14:42
  the figures. Right.
• 1:14:43
  And it well and also is that an indicator of new, not all of it
• 1:14:46
  obviously, but some of it is new people who weren't weren't in
• 1:14:52
  thought, well, I'll try these. Some of these look cool.
• 1:14:54
  I'll get one or two of these and then they're like, now I need to
• 1:14:57
  go back and get the ones I didn't have.
• 1:15:01
  Good point. Now I I think that's definitely
• 1:15:03
  part some of it as well. Absolutely.
• 1:15:07
  But you see that lull sort of in the middle and, and maybe that's
• 1:15:10
  because, you know, I haven't. The things against mythics.
• 1:15:13
  Too, but maybe the mythics? Yeah, there's the law, there's
• 1:15:18
  an idea, yeah. And of course there's always
• 1:15:22
  people that buy extras when they pre-order and when they, you
• 1:15:28
  know, when the wave drops, then they're selling them so.
• 1:15:31
  Yeah, they they either had some ideas or decided, Oh my gosh, I
• 1:15:35
  spent too much or whatever, and then they sell.
• 1:15:37
  Yeah, absolutely. So just as an example of the
• 1:15:42
  prices, the beginning versus versus a little bit later on
• 1:15:45
  this, these are all three tusks together.
• 1:15:47
  You can see the different colors there.
• 1:15:49
  Look at what they were going for in July and August of last year.
• 1:15:53
  They're going for 50 to $70.00 consistently and we know that
• 1:15:58
  the retail price of these is 45 and right now you can get them
• 1:16:00
  all for 36, right? And generally that's what
• 1:16:05
  happened. I, I mentioned this, if you
• 1:16:07
  watched my videos on the Cosmic, I, I made a mistake.
• 1:16:11
  I actually have a gap of shame here.
• 1:16:14
  I didn't, I thought I collected the data in like March and April
• 1:16:19
  or something like that. February and March I I have a
• 1:16:22
  gap. But regardless, you know I
• 1:16:24
  picked it back up. I think it it looks like it
• 1:16:26
  would be consistent, yeah. Yeah, I, I, I can't imagine it'd
• 1:16:29
  be much different there. Right.
• 1:16:31
  Cool. So and then Monkey King.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah. So just to show kind of what
• 1:16:35
  happened with. It's a different king.
• 1:16:38
  After he was released, he was selling again consistently for
• 1:16:41
  100 + 100 to 130. You can see a lot of sales
• 1:16:45
  there, but more recently he's been selling for, as we saw on
• 1:16:48
  average about 80. But you know, generally I would
• 1:16:50
  say between about 70 and $90.00, yeah.
• 1:16:53
  So as we say, wait a little bit if you so.
• 1:16:57
  These are all the the graphs for the ones that were released in
• 1:16:59
  23, right? So the Mask of the Red Death,
• 1:17:01
  same sort of thing. At the beginning in October, he
• 1:17:04
  was selling for again 100 to 130.
• 1:17:07
  Again, there were some sales that were consistently 90 to 120
• 1:17:12
  or so. But now again, where's he
• 1:17:14
  selling 60 to 90? Yeah, dropping down below Jacob
• 1:17:19
  Marley, little bit steadier drop, but yeah, similar.
• 1:17:23
  I think anything that has the any sort of that, that holiday
• 1:17:29
  connection when it's not holiday season like the Father
• 1:17:32
  Christmas, you know, you're, you're probably going to see a
• 1:17:34
  little bit less. It's a good point, actually.
• 1:17:36
  Good point. So buy in the offseason, buy,
• 1:17:40
  buy your Father Christmas now or Christmas in July, right?
• 1:17:43
  The prices are probably low. Totally, Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  So these are my main takeaways overall in my suggestions for
• 1:17:50
  everyone out there to try to maximize what you can get out of
• 1:17:52
  the money that we all have, which is all limited.
• 1:17:55
  That is patience, patience, patience, right?
• 1:17:58
  Recent waves are available, still available at below retail
• 1:18:02
  price on the secondary market. And we've seen retailers have
• 1:18:06
  pretty consistent sales. You can still get them for 40 to
• 1:18:09
  $50 pretty consistently exclusives from the horseman
• 1:18:15
  order those directly if you want them because those tend to go up
• 1:18:19
  faster than anything else does due to the availability.
• 1:18:22
  The figure obscure prices tend to normalize three to six months
• 1:18:25
  after release. And you know in general it seems
• 1:18:29
  like re releases are good for everyone except the sellers,
• 1:18:32
  right, because more of these are available.
• 1:18:34
  If you do want that figure at a lower, you know you're able to
• 1:18:37
  pay a lower price to get them once it's re released.
• 1:18:41
  But we don't really have enough to say right now about the
• 1:18:44
  version tubes, right? And the last thing I want to
• 1:18:47
  mention too is just a caution is that we don't know how the
• 1:18:50
  horsemen are going to deal with this overstock or potential
• 1:18:54
  overstock situation and if they correct production moving
• 1:18:58
  forward. Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  So for instance, you know the neck anonymous wave that was
• 1:19:02
  ordered a long time ago, but for example, the the ashes of AG
• 1:19:06
  Bendor, right? Are we going to be in a a Super
• 1:19:09
  7 type situation where a lot of the retailers aren't ordering
• 1:19:13
  extra copies anymore so they might sell out a lot faster?
• 1:19:18
  I don't know, right? I mean, always, I would say if
• 1:19:22
  anybody really likes a figure and you need it for your
• 1:19:24
  collection, buy it. If you have the money, buy it
• 1:19:29
  when it's available. You don't know what'll happen.
• 1:19:31
  But if there's figures that you're a little more lukewarm
• 1:19:33
  on, if you want to see them in hand and see some reviews, it
• 1:19:37
  probably is going to make sense to to wait a little bit and take
• 1:19:41
  a chance of finding them later. Totally.
• 1:19:43
  And of course it's always worth saying that you know, the longer
• 1:19:47
  you're in the line, join the various groups, try and make
• 1:19:50
  friends, go to the con if you can nearby, whether it's a, you
• 1:19:54
  know, one where it's got a street team or whatever.
• 1:19:57
  There's loads of nice people and you'll eventually make some
• 1:20:00
  connections that will of course help you and you get stuff for.
• 1:20:04
  You know, maybe you won't get the the stuff that's under
• 1:20:07
  retail at eBay, It's probably still, you know, your best bet
• 1:20:11
  is to get it off a retailer or eBay at that point.
• 1:20:13
  But stuff that's maybe a little bit older, you could get some
• 1:20:17
  good deals in the groups and making connections, right.
• 1:20:22
  So Rich did have a question to you about what's your favorite
• 1:20:26
  chart? So this.
• 1:20:28
  Last night Why donut charts are the best Yeah, and that's why I
• 1:20:32
  say here don't discount pie charts, right, because pie
• 1:20:34
  charts are. These are some of my favorite
• 1:20:37
  terrible pie charts, but I thought the one on the left was
• 1:20:40
  really an American chart, right? Because this is a pie inside a
• 1:20:44
  doughnut. And it seems like something we
• 1:20:46
  would have here in the US, right, where we have doughnuts
• 1:20:49
  replacing bread on sandwiches. Seems like you know it.
• 1:20:53
  And that's an idea that whose time has come to have a pie
• 1:20:56
  inside the doughnut. And then if you bring it to
• 1:20:58
  Scotland, you can deep fry it, throw Mars Berry in there as
• 1:21:03
  well. Very good.
• 1:21:07
  Well, that was awesome, Matt, thank you for your analysis.
• 1:21:11
  And I think we're I'm definitely and I've watched a lot of your
• 1:21:16
  videos, but I'm still more intelligent because I'm actually
• 1:21:19
  engaged in talking to you about the stuff and having to, you
• 1:21:23
  know, kind of make sure that I'm understanding what you're
• 1:21:26
  telling me as you're telling me instead of just staring at a
• 1:21:29
  YouTube screen. And, you know, my kids come and
• 1:21:31
  distract me and I'm like, and then I.
• 1:21:34
  Have to go back. Easiest way to absorb?
• 1:21:36
  Charts sometimes can be, can be, but definitely very interesting.
• 1:21:42
  I hope Rich enjoys it because he's very sad that he couldn't
• 1:21:45
  make it here. But you will find out in a
• 1:21:47
  couple of weeks what happened to Rich.
• 1:21:49
  And the story is good, but not good for Rich.
• 1:21:53
  But it's, it's, it's a good story.
• 1:21:54
  It'll be a good story by then because he'll have pretty much
• 1:21:57
  recovered. So I am not going to do it a
• 1:22:00
  disservice by telling it. I would rather he would tell it.
• 1:22:04
  So I think that's it. I just.
• 1:22:06
  Wanted to thank you guys so much for having me.
• 1:22:08
  I really enjoyed being. Absolutely.
• 1:22:10
  I thank you for acting. On Discord and everything as
• 1:22:13
  well. It's really enjoyed being part
• 1:22:15
  of the Your Allegiance community in particular.
• 1:22:16
  Absolutely. We're so happy to have you.
• 1:22:20
  It was whenever it wasn't long after you and I think it was
• 1:22:24
  when you started to promote your channel in the cabal, the rich
• 1:22:28
  actually sent a message to our chat, you know, our podcast
• 1:22:31
  chat, three of us. And he was like, you know, you
• 1:22:34
  know, the way I like my spreadsheets.
• 1:22:35
  I love this guy. You know, he said, I'm sure
• 1:22:40
  there's people. It's not probably for everyone,
• 1:22:41
  which of course, you know, nothing is for everyone.
• 1:22:45
  But if you're into it, you're into it.
• 1:22:46
  And that's the best thing. That's the best side of the
• 1:22:49
  Internet is, is that there's there's cool things, nerdy
• 1:22:53
  things for everybody that you have an interest in.
• 1:22:55
  And this is. One of those as I've told other
• 1:22:57
  people too, like and I told you when we when we had the the
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  first chat about the the recent reveal, you know, I'm not a
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  painter, I'm not a big customizer.
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  You know, I'm not going to have a lot of lot to to contribute to
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  the community that way. This is the sort of thing I can
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  contribute. Again, it's probably not
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  everybody's cup of tea, but but it's at least interesting for.
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  You've got a podcast across the pond that's interested in it, so
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  you know you're not into that. I think I'm also I've I've
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  planned since I have 10,000 data points, I'm going to give this
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  data to my students. This up here and all the data
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  manipulation and things we do are going to be based off of
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  this data because you don't normally get data sets with
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  10,000 observations at a. Absolutely.
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  Student level. So no, I mean, I did like I'd be
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  digging into. Legions all fall, whether they
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  like it or not. I did an economics degree and I
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  can tell you if one of my professors came with a lecture
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  about this type of stuff, I'd have been much more interested
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  in it than some of the other stuff that they were talking
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  about. So yeah, it's a captive
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  audience. So tell us, tell us, where can
• 1:24:05
  people find you? You have a YouTube channel.
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  What is that you? Can find me Toiletics on
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  YouTube. If you have any suggestions for
• 1:24:13
  for analysis you would like to see or questions you have that I
• 1:24:17
  haven't addressed on a video or like in today's presentation,
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  just send me an e-mail toiletics@gmail.com.
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  Or you can find me Matt Drake on the Cabal on Facebook as well.
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  Cool. And don't forget to comment on
• 1:24:31
  the toilet lyrics videos as well.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  And and especially if it's like, oh, you missed some data there,
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  Matt, you know, really. Really.
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  You can see, yeah. It's going to cause him some
• 1:24:43
  pain, you know he's going to be. It's like, it's like me when I'm
• 1:24:47
  listening back when I'm editing the podcast sometimes when I'm
• 1:24:50
  like, oh, I told said something wrong there and I said it right
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  in the middle of a load of other stuff.
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  So I can't really cut it out because it will just be too
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  obvious too. Abrupt of a change.
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  Exactly. Yeah, so.
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  But when the other guys do, I just laugh and leave it in, you
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  know? That's the advantage of being
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  the editor, right? Yeah, no, I don't.
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  I won't do you, don't worry. But this one has been pretty
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  good. I don't think I have much work
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  to do apart from, of course put it together.
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  So I'm very happy with that. Thanks again, Matt.
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  We will. Are you going to Legions Con?
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  Remind me? That's the plan.
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  Awesome. Yes, you can drive there, can't
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  you? I have my tickets, I'm ready to
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  go. Well, can't wait to meet you in
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  person. And, and then obviously, I, I
• 1:25:33
  think you're going to be on the list for another episode next
• 1:25:36
  year because we have to revisit this with even more data and
• 1:25:39
  with, with Rich the next time for sure.
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  And also that we can compare some maybe interesting things
• 1:25:46
  that have changed since the last time because that's always the
• 1:25:49
  fun thing about this kind of stuff.
• 1:25:51
  Yep, cheers. Absolutely.
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  Well, there we go. Another week of your allegiance.
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  Catch you again next week. Only wave coming soon.
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  Stay. Safe out there, even more so by
• 1:26:04
  a pool. Take care on those water slides.