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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 25 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields on A group proudly presents Huddle Ups with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. J P. Shadrick, John Ojar and NFL Network
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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest
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Speaker 1: on your Jacksonville Jaguars. Everything's got to be about the future.
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Speaker 1: It's gotta be about tomorrow and bringing all that into
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Speaker 1: focus as we you know, attacked the season. Huddle Up
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Speaker 1: with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into the Huddle
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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. It's Wednesday, May J P. Shadrick with NFL
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Speaker 1: Network analyst Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com Senior writer John Oser.
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Speaker 1: Give us a listen on the podcast bage at Jaguars
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Speaker 1: O T A s are underway. We were out there Monday, John,
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Speaker 1: you and I were there. They didn't see Bucky there,
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Speaker 1: but he didn't make it. I don't know what happens
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Speaker 1: there next week, next week, next next week, next week,
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Speaker 1: all the way across the country for an O T A.
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Speaker 1: That's right, because it's so important, it's so important that
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Speaker 1: you never know, like a lot of decisions and terminations
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Speaker 1: are made on some of this stuff that we see
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Speaker 1: in these offseason team I was bragging to the boys
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Speaker 1: about driving a mile and a half for it. Wow,
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Speaker 1: so Bucky's flying, You've got multiple planes. You know, you've
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Speaker 1: got connections. It's a holiday weekend, you're gonna get here
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Speaker 1: and and stick it out for a few days. I
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Speaker 1: like that that's right for the team, team, team player.
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Speaker 1: What do you want to see? But I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know we're sort of previewing here. We're out of step,
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Speaker 1: but it's it's Bucky's podcast. We can do that. I
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Speaker 1: think the main thing that you're trying to see that
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Speaker 1: I want to see is how different does the team
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Speaker 1: look this year compared to last year, just in terms
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Speaker 1: of the way that they operate and move, just the organization.
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Speaker 1: I want to look at, uh, the speed of the team,
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Speaker 1: because speed is everything you think about these top teams.
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Speaker 1: You have to have a fast, explosive team. We talked
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Speaker 1: about the team being big and faster, stronger, explode some
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Speaker 1: more dynamic that typically leads to better play. But now
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Speaker 1: I want to see what it's like when you have
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Speaker 1: a coaching staff and experience coaching staff that gets their
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Speaker 1: hands on these guys. I heard you guys talk about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the reports of the d line being very aggressive,
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Speaker 1: maybe over the aggressive uh in the open workout, but
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Speaker 1: I kind of like that because defensively they needed to
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Speaker 1: have a level of nastiness and toughness and those things exhibited.
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Speaker 1: I heard about Trevor Lawrence that can really really good
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Speaker 1: going the ball all over the yard. So now I
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Speaker 1: want to see what does that look like compared to
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Speaker 1: what I remember seeing him when he last was on
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Speaker 1: the field um at the end of the year, and
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Speaker 1: so just looking for overall improvement. I think that is
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Speaker 1: a nice precursor to what we may see in training camp.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson before practice Monday
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Speaker 1: on what he feels they can get out of the
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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks of O T A S. I
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Speaker 1: value the O T A S UM and and from
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Speaker 1: the standpoint of really being able to evaluate you know,
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Speaker 1: players this time of year, even though we're not making
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Speaker 1: you know, roster moves and cutting it down to fifty
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Speaker 1: three and all that, but you still you still get
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Speaker 1: a lot out of these as a coach, and now
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Speaker 1: you get to really put your team into into game
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Speaker 1: situations and really start coaching that you know here in
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Speaker 1: in the O, T. A. S. And obviously we're gonna
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Speaker 1: you know, protect each other, but play fast and and
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Speaker 1: and get our work done. And um, you know, and
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Speaker 1: what what I what I look to get out of
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Speaker 1: these next couple of weeks. It's just that just the
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Speaker 1: execution from phase two. You know that we did individually
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Speaker 1: into uh against each other, you know now offense and defensively.
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Speaker 1: How well the guys retained the information you know, from
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Speaker 1: the classroom to the to the football field, and um,
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Speaker 1: you know, playing fast, protecting each other and just see
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Speaker 1: where we are as football team. He's a he's a
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Speaker 1: cool customer. Feels like there he understands the pace of
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Speaker 1: what should happen here. And there's a lot of important
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Speaker 1: football things ahead and late July and August to really
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Speaker 1: get ready for the regular season. But yeah, taking it
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Speaker 1: from the classroom to the fields important, getting the work
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Speaker 1: done and then moving forward, by yeah, I really like it.
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Speaker 1: And I like his his his his pacing of the
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Speaker 1: off season. Um. I think what he says is what
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Speaker 1: a lot of us always say in front office, is um,
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Speaker 1: when you're looking at players, can they take it from
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Speaker 1: the board to the field. Meaning it's one thing to
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Speaker 1: have all the answers right in the classroom. It's another
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Speaker 1: thing to be able to execute it properly on the
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Speaker 1: field when you're going at um game speed and things
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Speaker 1: are moving in um that stuff. And then the other
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Speaker 1: part is he talked about evaluating the team even though
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Speaker 1: they're not making roster moves. But you know, it's another
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Speaker 1: thing to draft guys and to sign guys as free agents,
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Speaker 1: undrafted or even street free agents, and then put them
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Speaker 1: on the field and see what they look like. Before
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Speaker 1: you can make the team, you have to at least
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Speaker 1: look the part. And so athletically, do these guys look
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Speaker 1: the part? Do they look physical enough to be able
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Speaker 1: to play? When I mean physical, not like banging into
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Speaker 1: each other, but physically, do they look like they stack up?
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Speaker 1: Do they look like a championship caliber team? And if
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Speaker 1: they don't, what little changes in tweaks do we have
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Speaker 1: to make? And then the game situations You can't stress enough.
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Speaker 1: In the National Football League, it is all about situation
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Speaker 1: in football, Understanding down and distance, understanding the clock, score relationship,
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Speaker 1: how you want to play, how you want to execute
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Speaker 1: those things. You want to start teaching those principles now
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Speaker 1: because there's not enough time in training camp to consistently
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Speaker 1: cover it. So you have to introduce some of those
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Speaker 1: situations now and make sure that your team understands it.
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Speaker 1: So when you do get to do a situations in
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Speaker 1: games in the regular season, they've been there before. They
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Speaker 1: execute the way they should. They're actually doing that John
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Speaker 1: a little bit on Monday, you know, going down like
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Speaker 1: thirty forty seconds on the clock and how do you
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Speaker 1: you know, stop things and spike the ball and all
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Speaker 1: that stuff. It. They were working on that in a
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Speaker 1: small way. Yeah, they struggled with it because there was
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Speaker 1: no PA system, but they got it done, okay, So
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Speaker 1: I was glad that they did. But in all seriousness,
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Speaker 1: the things that Bucky's talking about to me are incredibly
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Speaker 1: important from a macro level. Doug Peterson clearly needs this
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Speaker 1: six seven weeks when he leaves here, when these coaches
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Speaker 1: leave here, they'll have a much better feel for what
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Speaker 1: this team is then if these things didn't exist, um
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Speaker 1: a situational football right now, it's really good to get
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Speaker 1: those reps in. It's good for him to get a look.
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Speaker 1: The only reason I joke around that it's not important
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Speaker 1: is from an evaluation from the media watching and saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: I can look at this and tell that this cornerback
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Speaker 1: is going to be able to lock up on this guy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: corners a little bit, the rigamar role about how good
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Speaker 1: the defensive line was the other day. That's fine, but
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Speaker 1: you're without pads you can get That's all great. But
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Speaker 1: the teaching, which is not incredibly exciting to watch all
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Speaker 1: the time, the teaching process. It's a very exciting jp
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Speaker 1: to go watch a classroom, right, I mean, but that's
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Speaker 1: the important stuff going on, and for that, I do
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Speaker 1: think it's really important. As I've always said, particularly in
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Speaker 1: the first year of a head coach. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: think what you want to do and you don't want
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Speaker 1: to necessarily compare regimes or coaches, but what you want
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Speaker 1: to do is you want to pay attention to the
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Speaker 1: level of detail. I think what I hear from Doug
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Speaker 1: Peterson is a very confident coach who kind of understands
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Speaker 1: he has a plan in the process that has been successful,
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Speaker 1: so he kind of knows where the mile markers are
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Speaker 1: in terms of where you want to progress with the
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Speaker 1: team over the course of the spring and summer to
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Speaker 1: get them ready for training camp. The reason why the
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Speaker 1: O t A s are important is because at the
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Speaker 1: end of O t A s um what coaches would
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Speaker 1: do is they'll reconvene, They'll look at what they try
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Speaker 1: to get done over the course of uh the O
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Speaker 1: t A off season program, and then they would say, hey,
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Speaker 1: we were good at this. The players at a tough
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Speaker 1: time with that. Maybe we don't even introduce this part
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Speaker 1: of it in training camp. Here's where we can be
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Speaker 1: really good in terms of learning and executing in those things.
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Speaker 1: Let's give them maybe a smaller menu that they can handle,
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Speaker 1: have success there, and then as we progress over the
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Speaker 1: course of the year, maybe we give them other stuff.
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Speaker 1: But this is a little trial and era for the
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Speaker 1: coaches as well, to see how much can the team retain,
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Speaker 1: how much of it is usable, how much of it
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Speaker 1: needs to be kind of put on the cutting room floor.
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Speaker 1: Number one priority in that regard is the quarterback position,
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Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence spoke after practice Monday about the schedule
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Speaker 1: of this offseason and how things are progressing. Obviously, this
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Speaker 1: this staff, like I said, has done a great job
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Speaker 1: of mapping that out for us. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: that's a huge part in the NFL compared to like
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Speaker 1: the change from there from college of the NFL is
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Speaker 1: how you play out your off season because there's so
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Speaker 1: many options of when you start, when you finish, what
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Speaker 1: you do each day, it's really flexible. You just have
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Speaker 1: that time window, but deciding what to fill those days with.
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Speaker 1: And I think our staffs did a great job of
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Speaker 1: getting us the right amount of time on the field
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Speaker 1: working together, but also in the classroom, meeting rooms, all that.
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Speaker 1: So I like where we're at. Obviously we're gonna we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do some stuff in the off season, and I
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Speaker 1: thought about all that, and um gotta get some clear
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Speaker 1: some things up and get those plans set. But we
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Speaker 1: I've thought about that. But I really like where we're at. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: you can't get in place until you've gotta keep building.
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Speaker 1: And the clock is just by the time we get
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Speaker 1: the camp, we want to be. Um, you still have
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Speaker 1: a few weeks, but you want to be as clean
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Speaker 1: as you can be when you get to camp, and UM,
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Speaker 1: we're right on track for that. So on track John
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Speaker 1: to get it on the field and then some maybe
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Speaker 1: some plans in the off season weeks ahead. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea how you measure this, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure it is measurable. But the difference that Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence must feel, and all players, but especially Trevor who
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Speaker 1: didn't have any frame of reference before last year, when
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Speaker 1: you walk in and you you hear the coach and
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff calmly tell you, Hey, we're doing this
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Speaker 1: this time of year, we're doing this this week, and
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Speaker 1: we'll get to that part in August. Don't worry that
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Speaker 1: we got it. The difference in that when you're preparing,
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Speaker 1: when you're trying to figure this out, when you're moving
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Speaker 1: forward buck. Yeah. I again, I don't think that you
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Speaker 1: can measure it, because it's probably immeasurable. I think for
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Speaker 1: Trevor it's probably all the difference in the world in
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Speaker 1: terms of an environment where you can grow. Yeah. No,
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Speaker 1: I think it makes a ton of difference. And I
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Speaker 1: will say this, um, not only when it comes to Trevor,
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Speaker 1: but with the rest of the team, because I do
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Speaker 1: think it's it's really important and I've touched on this before. Um,
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Speaker 1: the amount of former players that are on the coaching
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Speaker 1: step being able to calmly, um deliver the message to
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Speaker 1: the team. Here's where we're at, here's where we're going
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Speaker 1: to go, and here are the steps along the way
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Speaker 1: that we need to get to. So it's not necessarily
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Speaker 1: a speculative thing. Is hey, we walked in these shoes.
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Speaker 1: We have a clear plan for how we're going to
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Speaker 1: get it done. Just stay with the process and the
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Speaker 1: plan and these things will work out. I think for Trevor,
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Speaker 1: what I hear and in the sound bite is I
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Speaker 1: hear a level of confidence and feeling like the plan
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Speaker 1: that he is being given and feeling like what they're
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Speaker 1: doing makes sense and it's going to play out on
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Speaker 1: the field. When you talked about the way that you
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Speaker 1: fill up your days, the one thing that players, hey,
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Speaker 1: it is when you do a bunch of unnecessary stuff
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Speaker 1: that doesn't relate to playing the game. It appears to
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Speaker 1: me that Trevor is saying everything that they have done
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Speaker 1: on the field and off the field in the classroom
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Speaker 1: appears to have a tangible impact on how they're going
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Speaker 1: to play, and I think he appreciates that. And the
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Speaker 1: part that he talked about you want to clean everything
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Speaker 1: up so you hit training camp fast. You want to
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Speaker 1: clean it all up. I think that's really important, because
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Speaker 1: what you don't want to do is have to start
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Speaker 1: back over in training camp and waste a few days
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Speaker 1: going back to do stuff that you had covered in
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Speaker 1: the off season in O. T A. S. You would
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Speaker 1: like to clean up those things, and so instead of
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of review, we're now beginning to build
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Speaker 1: upon what we did in the off season, not necessarily
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Speaker 1: trying to remember and regain what we did in the
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Speaker 1: early part of the offs. To you, JP have gotten
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Speaker 1: as we all have tons of questions about what's the
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Speaker 1: difference what serfence is so tas last year, or what
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Speaker 1: serents mean this year and last year. I think you
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Speaker 1: could go back and replay Bucky's SoundBite for the last minute. Uh,
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what the difference is. The fact that
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Speaker 1: you get the idea that the players have a great
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Speaker 1: deal of confidence that what they're being told and what
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Speaker 1: they're doing is the right thing to do and it's
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Speaker 1: going to be productive, and there's confidence in that in
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Speaker 1: terms of preparation, JP, you know, in any line of work,
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Speaker 1: I don't know there's any more important than that. And
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Speaker 1: it feels like they've got it so if there's a difference,
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Speaker 1: and again, it's not a difference. I got in tons
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Speaker 1: of questions on these lines. Hey, when when you go
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Speaker 1: out to practice, what do you see? What's the difference?
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Speaker 1: What's the vibe? There's always a positive vibe during the offseason.
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Speaker 1: It was positive last year. They were fired up, is enthusiastic,
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Speaker 1: but that undertone that thing Bucky just said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've gone on, I've I've been a long winded way
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Speaker 1: of saying, go listen to that. And that's the difference
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Speaker 1: there is now. I think that there's a confidence. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think you sent sense it. And I also think
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Speaker 1: with Doug. I think Doug has a confidence in knowing
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. And I think that comes from the
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Speaker 1: fact that he's won a super Bowl. Like, we can
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Speaker 1: see a lot of things, but it's different when you
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Speaker 1: wanted super Bowl. You've seen it come to fruition, you've
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Speaker 1: been to the mountaintop and those things, and now you're like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: here's what we need to do. And I think that
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Speaker 1: confidence is infectious. It's contagious because the guys look at
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Speaker 1: him differently because he is a super Bowl winner, and
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Speaker 1: he has some other guys that have had a level
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Speaker 1: of success individually and collectively on the staff that they
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Speaker 1: can look to. I think that's important. I think that
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Speaker 1: trust is everything. The trust between player and coach, player
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Speaker 1: and player and coach to coach is everything. All the
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Speaker 1: exits and ohs and all that other stuff is one thing,
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Speaker 1: But the bond I think I think you can feel that,
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Speaker 1: you can sense that they kind of a putting that
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Speaker 1: together in Jacksonville. But jack Warriors are future focused and
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Speaker 1: ready for a new look in joint us to the
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Speaker 1: bank this season with a fantastic home schedule as quarterback
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Speaker 1: Place dot com. I don't think they are available for
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Speaker 1: Dave Matthews. They sell out in a matter of minutes,
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Speaker 1: I think when they open up anywhere. Looking forward to
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Speaker 1: that schedule coming up, I'm so torn on that, Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the tacos and Margaret Rita has just had
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Speaker 1: me like I want to go and stay, But then
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Speaker 1: you got Dave Matthews at the end. That's a tough one.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're coming a week early. If you waited
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Speaker 1: a week, you know, maybe you with your you know,
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Speaker 1: vaulted status on our you know, marquee, maybe you'd be
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Speaker 1: able to get some seats for that. Or if we
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Speaker 1: tell Dave Matthews a buck he's gonna be here early,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'll get here earlier. Maybe so maybe maybe you
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Speaker 1: can come earlier. Maybe do the day's gonna come offices
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Speaker 1: and serenatas. Maybe maybe we can get them to do that.
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Speaker 1: That'd be nice touch. Dave mat Is gonna come in
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Speaker 1: there and be like, Hey, where's my guy Bucky? I
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Speaker 1: see him on TV all the time. They'll be asking
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Speaker 1: for Bucky Brooks. I'm sure we can get him in
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Speaker 1: the club. See, so you know, get into the sweets
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Speaker 1: a little bit, like a little, small, little intimate venue.
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Speaker 1: So we can kind of hear a couple of his
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Speaker 1: his favorites that that's possible. Hey, let's hear from Foyer Louikun.
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Speaker 1: He spoke with a couple of media folks after practice
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Speaker 1: on Monday. There's all this new talk about the rookie
15:51
Speaker 1: linebackers that were drafted, of course, and Devin Lloyd and
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Speaker 1: Chad Moment. But remember Foyer lead the league in tackles
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Speaker 1: a year ago. He came in free agency and discussed
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Speaker 1: his ascension from a sixth round draft pick out of
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Speaker 1: Yale just a few years ago to now the top
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Speaker 1: tackler in the NFL. Seeing who I'm going up against
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Speaker 1: year after the year, understanding who who I think the
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Speaker 1: best in the game is, and seeing that they mess
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Speaker 1: up too. So instead of trying to play perfect, just play.
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Speaker 1: You know, have commented myself that I'm good enough to
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Speaker 1: be out there, and then once you start seeing the
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Speaker 1: place happening, to get more and more confident. So it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a progression, but it's uh, I work hard
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Speaker 1: enough to to earn that progression. So trust the work
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Speaker 1: that put in each every offseason and then just what
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Speaker 1: to happen. Never mind the leaf blower at the end there.
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Speaker 1: But you know, this is a guy that maybe over
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Speaker 1: the last month or two has been overshadowed a bit
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Speaker 1: because of the new names around here. Um, but Bucky,
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Speaker 1: how have you seen this guy grow as a linebacker
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Speaker 1: over the years? Six round picks don't always make it,
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Speaker 1: but he made it and made it in a big way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it made it in a big way. He talked about
16:56
Speaker 1: earning to write um to kind of feel the way
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Speaker 1: he feels in terms of how you feel about himself
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Speaker 1: as a player. I think there's something to the process
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Speaker 1: of having to kind of climb up the ranks, uh,
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Speaker 1: climb the rungs of the ladder to become a starter
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Speaker 1: and then become one of the more productive players at
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Speaker 1: his position. He talked about looking at the others around
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Speaker 1: the league and realizing that the elites make mistakes and
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Speaker 1: they play hard, and so it took some of the
17:18
Speaker 1: pressure off of him from feeling like he had to
17:20
Speaker 1: play perfect. But I think what I got out of
17:23
Speaker 1: that sound bite was just listening to him and the
17:26
Speaker 1: level of confidence and intelligence that he has an articulating
17:30
Speaker 1: how he plays the game. I think he obviously is
17:32
Speaker 1: a natural leader, and I am really excited about the
17:35
Speaker 1: young linebackers, and sometimes that excitement will overshadow like a
17:39
Speaker 1: Loui kind coming in. But when you think about the
17:42
Speaker 1: young guys that they now have at that second level
17:45
Speaker 1: of the defense, I think the common denominated when you
17:47
Speaker 1: talk to all of them is smart, fast, physical. All
17:52
Speaker 1: those guys have those traits, and so when you have
17:54
Speaker 1: a smart defense and enables you to do a lot more,
17:57
Speaker 1: you have guys at that second level that can tide
18:00
Speaker 1: back in with the front end and do a bunch
18:02
Speaker 1: of different things. I'm really excited about the football character
18:06
Speaker 1: that they have because that football character, combined with the athleticism,
18:09
Speaker 1: should allow the defense to present a bunch of different
18:11
Speaker 1: looks to appose an offense. I'm gonna be careful when
18:14
Speaker 1: I say, because this is the three and fourteen team
18:15
Speaker 1: last year, but they've finally gotten to the point, especially
18:20
Speaker 1: on the front of the defense where because of Foyer
18:27
Speaker 1: Oliver Kina, I'm getting better than name you started adding
18:29
Speaker 1: Muma Lloyd, Alan Snoot, Carolan Chase's first round pick. Uh,
18:37
Speaker 1: you know he hasn't produced yet, but there's talent there.
18:41
Speaker 1: Uh you started going along the defensive front. You know,
18:45
Speaker 1: there's all of a sudden numbers where if one or
18:48
Speaker 1: two of these guys aren't quite what you thought coming in,
18:53
Speaker 1: you still got guys who come at you. And wait,
18:55
Speaker 1: you know it's been so thin around here in terms
18:57
Speaker 1: you might look at and say, okay, Uh, who's good
19:00
Speaker 1: up front? You might say, okay, Miles and Josh Allen,
19:02
Speaker 1: and then you know, okay, who else? They've got some numbers? Now, Uh,
19:08
Speaker 1: defense to me, Seattle's defense in in what thirteen or
19:11
Speaker 1: fourteen when they want it, it's sort of the to me,
19:16
Speaker 1: the defense you think about in the last ten years. Well,
19:18
Speaker 1: that thing came at you in waves. There were players
19:21
Speaker 1: all over the place, jars put themselves in a situation
19:25
Speaker 1: where they might be that they might have a chance
19:29
Speaker 1: to be more like that. And again, as you said,
19:32
Speaker 1: he's been overlooked because of the guys coming in. But
19:36
Speaker 1: now of a sudden you get three, four or five
19:37
Speaker 1: guys and the linebacker corps they been called well my
19:40
Speaker 1: Mike call wild. Even Square talks about versatility and using
19:43
Speaker 1: different guys. They've got them all of a sudden, and uh,
19:46
Speaker 1: you know, a credit to them for rebuilding an area
19:51
Speaker 1: and adding to some strength. That might why not being
19:54
Speaker 1: a strength and hasn't been a strengthened to as an eighteen. Yeah, look,
19:57
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go back and you know you brought
19:58
Speaker 1: out Seattle, but let's keep it right in the house.
20:01
Speaker 1: That defense and that team and the players that were
20:05
Speaker 1: on it. I'm a firm believer haven't been tall this
20:08
Speaker 1: eight to twelve blue chip players need to be on
20:11
Speaker 1: your roster for your team to compete at a super
20:13
Speaker 1: Bowl level. When you look at that Saxonville team, I
20:16
Speaker 1: think we can confidently say there were six or more
20:18
Speaker 1: blue chip players. When you think about how they played
20:21
Speaker 1: that year. Uma Clais Campbell was at that level, Miles
20:25
Speaker 1: Jack played well, Telling Smith played well. You think about
20:27
Speaker 1: the secondary when you had Jalen Rams and a j.
20:30
Speaker 1: Boyer Um. Look, I think Jannakway played pretty well that
20:34
Speaker 1: year as well. So that right there, Yeah so so
20:41
Speaker 1: so when you think about that, like so, that's why
20:43
Speaker 1: to me, the magic number is ten and building up
20:45
Speaker 1: this roster, you're looking for ten guys offensive defense that
20:49
Speaker 1: can play the blue chip level, and by blue chip level,
20:52
Speaker 1: I mean top five, top ten of their respective position.
20:55
Speaker 1: If you do that, now you begin to make Hey,
20:58
Speaker 1: you begin to close the gap on the competition. And
21:01
Speaker 1: so the names that were beginning to talk about, and
21:04
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen them play, but the names that
21:06
Speaker 1: we're beginning to talk about, at least from a physical standpoint,
21:09
Speaker 1: they look like they may have those characteristics. Mentally from
21:12
Speaker 1: a football character standpoint, they had that. Now they have
21:15
Speaker 1: to go out and play it. But that is kind
21:17
Speaker 1: of the bar. So as we're looking at this team
21:19
Speaker 1: throughout the preseason, particularly on defense, less use the seventeen
21:24
Speaker 1: defense as the bar and look at how these guys
21:26
Speaker 1: progress and see if they can get to that level.
21:28
Speaker 1: Because remember, the quarterback didn't play great or whatever. However
21:31
Speaker 1: the quarterback played there was one thing, but the team
21:33
Speaker 1: was so talented that he still went to the championship game.
21:36
Speaker 1: So as you're building that team up, you just want
21:38
Speaker 1: to kind of connect the dots and see how many
21:40
Speaker 1: blue chip guys have murdered and that JP. You know,
21:42
Speaker 1: if you ask me, I mean it's stood out no
21:44
Speaker 1: t s. Christian Kirk. I thought I had a couple
21:47
Speaker 1: of plays that you really like. Uh, a few plays
21:50
Speaker 1: like that. But the big takeaway when I walked off
21:53
Speaker 1: the field, was a Chad Mma is a monster physically
21:59
Speaker 1: he he he. He was sort of a pick the
22:02
Speaker 1: raised eyebrows when they took him in the third round.
22:04
Speaker 1: But the reason I mentioned is speaks to Bucky's point.
22:07
Speaker 1: He looks to me like a player that you got
22:10
Speaker 1: in the third round who bare minimum he's gonna be
22:13
Speaker 1: able to give you something on defense? Is he and
22:17
Speaker 1: everything linebacker that maybe expect Devin Lloyd to be. I
22:19
Speaker 1: don't know, but you look at him as a third
22:22
Speaker 1: round pick, and physically when you even when the veterans
22:25
Speaker 1: got on the field, you went, wow, that kid is
22:30
Speaker 1: is different. Um. So you got that at number seven,
22:34
Speaker 1: You get that into the third round, which means maybe
22:36
Speaker 1: you've got four guys like that. Uh. That I think
22:40
Speaker 1: was the philosophy behind what they did in the draft
22:43
Speaker 1: was trying to get to what buck he's talking about,
22:46
Speaker 1: trying to get what Okay, maybe we've already gotten numbers
22:48
Speaker 1: of this position. I don't think they saw a receiver
22:52
Speaker 1: at seventy, for example, who looked that way like he
22:56
Speaker 1: fit into what Buck he's talking about as much as
22:57
Speaker 1: Chad Movement did. And that to me feels like what
23:00
Speaker 1: that pick was about. Bucky. I got a question for
23:02
Speaker 1: the scout, how about that, John? How many if you're
23:08
Speaker 1: scouting the l A Rams, how many blue chip players
23:11
Speaker 1: are in their starting lineups offensive defense right now? Just
23:15
Speaker 1: an elite team like they are, they are they are loaded.
23:19
Speaker 1: So if we just go back to let's just use
23:21
Speaker 1: last year's team because he easy to keep up. Um.
23:24
Speaker 1: So defensively, Jalen Ramsey played at that level. Up front,
23:28
Speaker 1: you had Aaron Donald who could play at that level. Uh.
23:34
Speaker 1: You flip on the other side of the ball. Uh, yeah,
23:37
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford who played there. You had Cooper cup who
23:39
Speaker 1: could play at that level. Um. Oh b g a
23:42
Speaker 1: was coming off an injury, but we saw in the
23:44
Speaker 1: postseason he could play that level for five Um. You know,
23:49
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny because von Miller was a flasher,
23:53
Speaker 1: but at the end the year he played there, so
23:55
Speaker 1: we kind of like six or seven and then collectively
23:59
Speaker 1: they had guys that kind of did it, but they
24:00
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily the classes. The thing is their blue chip
24:03
Speaker 1: players or what we call gold jacket guys, their Hall
24:06
Speaker 1: of Fame guys, and so that that makes a difference
24:09
Speaker 1: because they kind of raises the level of everyone there.
24:12
Speaker 1: But like, those are the kind of guys that you
24:14
Speaker 1: have to have. Um. I think what John brings up
24:18
Speaker 1: about Chad Moment like one of the things and O
24:20
Speaker 1: T A S or whatever, like I tell people because
24:22
Speaker 1: people ask like it's scouting hard, I don't think it's
24:24
Speaker 1: necessarily that hard. I think you have to trust what
24:26
Speaker 1: you see. I think when you're standing there, it really
24:29
Speaker 1: shouldn't be hard to figure out the good players. And
24:32
Speaker 1: so when the rookies come in and they're mixing in
24:34
Speaker 1: with the vets, do you see enough to make you
24:37
Speaker 1: go wow? You want to see some ooze, some odds
24:41
Speaker 1: just from them running around. I know we're not in past,
24:44
Speaker 1: but you want to be able to see the athleticism
24:46
Speaker 1: and talent flash where you're like, okay, that goes. And
24:49
Speaker 1: so I'm really excited about Moment because I said this
24:52
Speaker 1: at all other gig, I talked about Devin Lloyd and
24:54
Speaker 1: Chad Moment ranking number one and number five on the
24:57
Speaker 1: linebacker list. I believe that to be true. I think
24:59
Speaker 1: Momon's gonna be outstand new player well. And he wasn't
25:02
Speaker 1: there Monday. Uh, And I'm referring to a Trayvon Walker,
25:07
Speaker 1: but a couple of the writers and I did talk
25:11
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen afterward, and as I mentioned on on
25:14
Speaker 1: our reporters the other day, Josh Allen is an impressive
25:18
Speaker 1: kid physically. I mean, he's he looks the part like
25:22
Speaker 1: we're talking about. He was amazed at what he had
25:24
Speaker 1: seen from Trayvon Walker. That's how different Traylon Walker is
25:29
Speaker 1: in terms of body type. For the NFL is Josh
25:31
Speaker 1: Allen was like, yeah, this kids are free, Josh Allen
25:34
Speaker 1: and Josh free. Yes, he could have been the number
25:37
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft. So we'll see. So we
25:40
Speaker 1: will see and Bucky you'll see in person next week. Yes,
25:45
Speaker 1: I will. I'm excited and a little uh. I may
25:47
Speaker 1: even bring my notebook out so I look like a scout.
25:50
Speaker 1: We're a little notebook and my pan takes some more
25:51
Speaker 1: notes see what we see. But I'm really excited based
25:54
Speaker 1: on I listened to it UH podcast when John was
25:57
Speaker 1: talking about Traylon Walking with Josh Allen that's th about.
26:00
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see him up close and personal
26:03
Speaker 1: and to see the rest of the guys. But I'm
26:05
Speaker 1: really excited to see the offense because we talked a
26:08
Speaker 1: lot about the defense, but offensively, Here's what I say,
26:11
Speaker 1: and I'll say this about Trevor Um. There are a
26:13
Speaker 1: lot of people that were kind of shocked at the
26:15
Speaker 1: amount of money that Christian Kirk got. But I will
26:18
Speaker 1: say this, and I'm a firm reliever, having been in
26:21
Speaker 1: the system with Doug, having played with him and Matt,
26:23
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy and those guys, I would say this, you
26:26
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need a level receivers to have a super
26:29
Speaker 1: Bowl caliber offense. If you look at this offense UM
26:33
Speaker 1: in the past, going back to women Green Bay, if
26:35
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of B B plus is on
26:37
Speaker 1: the perimeter that a great route runner and consistent pass catchers,
26:40
Speaker 1: you can light it up. You look at the team
26:41
Speaker 1: that he took in Philadelphia to the Super Bowl. There
26:44
Speaker 1: wasn't a pure number one receiver, but they were really
26:47
Speaker 1: good receivers and so they kind of shared the wealth.
26:49
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville has that potential with Evan Ingram Day Jones,
26:54
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk, Marvin Jones. I believe for the first time
26:57
Speaker 1: in a long time, we'll see a very consistent area
26:59
Speaker 1: let's and that can make a ward of difference when
27:02
Speaker 1: we talk about compete in AFC SALTH. Bucky, have a
27:05
Speaker 1: fantastic Memorial Day weekend. We'll talk to you next week
27:08
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