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Updates on the Reiner Murders · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host, Emily Simpson with Shane with Shane. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so today we're going to do an update on the
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Speaker 1: Rob and Michelle Reiner case. We have done a previous
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Speaker 1: episode when there was just breaking news. So obviously, because
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Speaker 1: this is huge, everybody's talking about it. There's new information
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Speaker 1: that's coming out quickly, rapidly each day. So we're going
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Speaker 1: to do an update. And obviously this case will be ongoing,
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Speaker 1: so they'll probably be lots of updates in regards.
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Speaker 2: To this all the way through the sentencing.
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Speaker 1: So the New York Times reported on some of the
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Speaker 1: latest updates. It was a good article because they broke down.
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Speaker 1: You know, I take information from a lot of places,
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Speaker 1: but this was a really good article. So Nick Reiner
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Speaker 1: made a brief initial court appearance Wednesday morning, but did
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Speaker 1: not enter a plea, one day after prosecutors charged him
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Speaker 1: with murder and the stabbing deaths of his parents. The
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles County Medical Examiner has confirmed that Rob and
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Speaker 1: Michelle Reiner died Sunday from multiple sharp force injuries. Now
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Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. I believe that it was reported
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Speaker 1: or speculated. Maybe, I don't know if it's been confirmed
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Speaker 1: that it was that they were slit.
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Speaker 2: Like their throats were.
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Speaker 1: The LAPD Assistant Chief Dominic Choi told police commissioners on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday that investigators quickly focused on the couple's younger son,
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Speaker 1: Nick Reiner. Within hours of the discovery, he was taken
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Speaker 1: into custody Sunday night without incident. You know, that was
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Speaker 1: also a question I had. We still don't know the
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Speaker 1: exact timeframe of when they believe the murders took place,
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Speaker 1: but we talked about in this previous episode because again
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Speaker 1: I always question how someone overcomes to people. So we
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Speaker 1: do know that the bodies were found in the master bedroom,
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Speaker 1: even though they have not give us given us a
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Speaker 1: timeframe of when the murder occurred. I'm going to speculate
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Speaker 1: that they were sleeping and that it was sometime during
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Speaker 1: the night.
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Speaker 2: I thought that they were in their bed.
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Speaker 1: They were they were in their bed, So I'm going
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Speaker 1: to guess that it was sometime in an hour when
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Speaker 1: someone would be in a deep sleep. And that's how
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Speaker 1: you can overcome two people at one time.
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Speaker 2: Emily just pictures herself as no one could ever get
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Speaker 2: her she would be so fast. I would I'm telling you,
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Speaker 2: if they killed me first, she would get.
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Speaker 1: Away absolutely so, yeah, no, yes, I'd be out of there.
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Speaker 1: I'd be out the window.
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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you go out the door? Why are you
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Speaker 2: going out the window?
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Speaker 1: Because if I go out the door, they can chase
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Speaker 1: me in the house.
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Speaker 2: The murders can I escape through windows.
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Speaker 1: I just feel like I have a better chance if
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Speaker 1: I go out the window, all right, because then I'll
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Speaker 1: be in the dark in the backyard and I can hide.
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Speaker 1: If I'm running through the house, they can you know,
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Speaker 1: there's this more room in the house for them to
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Speaker 1: get me anyway. That's the way my mind works. These
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Speaker 1: are things that I literally lay in bed at night
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Speaker 1: and think about, all right. So, prosecutors formally have charged
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Speaker 1: Nick Reiner on Tuesday with two counts of first degree murder,
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Speaker 1: and the Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hawkman is
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Speaker 1: seeking special circumstances, which could make Reiner eligible for either
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Speaker 1: the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility
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Speaker 1: of parole.
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Speaker 2: I don't get the special circumstances. I know, I understood that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's because it was with a knife, but
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Speaker 1: it's like, how else do you murder me?
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Speaker 2: No, it was double homicide.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's what makes it a special.
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Speaker 2: I think that's part of it anyway, and maybe with
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Speaker 2: the knife. But it's like, it's like, murder is murder, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Whether it was if it was one or two people.
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Speaker 2: It was fetanol and he died well in his sleep,
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Speaker 2: and you know, and so it was kind of he
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Speaker 2: made No, it's still murder. Yeah, what's the difference.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying, why tack on a special circumstance, regardless of.
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Speaker 2: The they're all they're all special.
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Speaker 1: They're all special.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Reiner appeared in Los Angeles Superior Court wearing a suicide
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Speaker 1: prevention smock. I like how they called it a smock.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've ever heard of it called
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Speaker 1: a smock before.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about that in a minute.
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Speaker 1: But and he had been expected to enter a plea. However,
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Speaker 1: his attorney, Alan Jackson, and we all know how I
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Speaker 1: feel about Alan Jackson. I love Alan Jackson. The court
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Speaker 1: it was too early to do so, adding that both
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Speaker 1: sides agreed to postpone the arraignment until January seventh. What
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Speaker 1: do you think about postponing his plea? Do you think?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think I I don't know, as long as
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Speaker 2: he's still in jail.
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Speaker 1: And well, he's still in jail because he has no bail.
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Speaker 1: The four million bail is gone.
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Speaker 2: Now it's why was there four million in the first place.
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Speaker 2: So there's four million dollars bail and then they're all
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Speaker 2: and Jackson gets hired and then there's zero bail, zero bail.
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Speaker 1: There's no bail.
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Speaker 2: That says something.
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Speaker 1: All right, So a sus let's talk about the smock.
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Speaker 1: When I think smock, I think like pottery and.
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Speaker 2: I think smock. I think what is the smock? I
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Speaker 2: think I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I feel like a smock like you wear when you're
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Speaker 1: painting or you're doing pottery. You don't want to get
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Speaker 1: your clothes dirty, so you put a smock on an
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Speaker 1: apron like yes, but they smock, I don't know. So. Notably,
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Speaker 1: an anti suicide smock has been worn by notorious criminals
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Speaker 1: in the past.
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Speaker 2: How does the smock protect oneself?
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Speaker 1: Okay? An anti suicide smock is a vest that is
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Speaker 1: specifically designed to minimize the risk of suicide amongst higher
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Speaker 1: risk individuals. This is according to the suicide Prevention Company
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Speaker 1: PSP Core per their site, the vests are typically used
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Speaker 1: for military personnel, inmates and those who are on suicide watch,
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Speaker 1: and mental health facilities. Maybe it's because if you have
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Speaker 1: regular clothes on, you can even rip your clothes up
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Speaker 1: to make like a noose or something, so like this
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Speaker 1: type of vest can't be torn or manipulated in any way. Okay.
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Speaker 1: They are colorless, sleeveless gowns with adjustable openings at their
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Speaker 1: shoulder and down the front, which are closed with nylon
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Speaker 1: hooks and loops or similar fasteners. They are made with
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Speaker 1: the same material as blankets. It's thickness makes it impossible
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Speaker 1: to roll or fold the material into a noose.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's to not have thin material that they
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Speaker 2: can use.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Type.
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Speaker 1: It is also meant so.
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Speaker 2: They're wearing like a mattress. It's basically not a mattress
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Speaker 2: what it looks like.
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Speaker 1: It's also meant to provide warmth without impeding the mobility
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Speaker 1: of the person wearing it. It makes me feel like
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Speaker 1: it's like a weighted blanket that like calms you down,
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Speaker 1: but you can't rip it or tear do anything with it.
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Speaker 2: In a way. It kind of restrains you a little.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's called an anti.
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Speaker 2: Swe Nonetheless, they were worried about in order to wear
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Speaker 2: the last they were worried about suicide.
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Speaker 1: Suicide.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so that's what we get.
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Speaker 1: And I believe that's why he didn't make it to
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Speaker 1: his first court appearance, because Alan Jackson did a press
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Speaker 1: conference and said that he was not medically cleared yet,
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Speaker 1: which I assume medical.
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Speaker 2: Line of defense. Oh, he's insane, Yes, put a smock
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Speaker 2: on him.
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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that that's going to be the defense. Right.
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Speaker 1: That's why they pushed back his arraignment to January seventh, because.
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Speaker 2: I imagine, So I don't imagine the defense is going
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Speaker 2: to be they attacked him first year honor.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to say it's going to be reason
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Speaker 1: of insanity or something like that.
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Speaker 2: So they're all insane if they're killing their parents in
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Speaker 2: a layman's term, yes, not an illegal sense.
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Speaker 1: Later Wednesday, the siblings released their first public statements since
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Speaker 1: the deaths, asking for privacy as they grieve. Quote, words
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Speaker 1: cannot even begin to describe the unimaginable pain we are
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Speaker 1: experiencing every moment of the day. The horrific and devastating
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Speaker 1: loss of our parents, Robin Michelle Reiner is something that
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Speaker 1: no one should ever experience. They weren't just our parents,
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Speaker 1: they were our best friends. I don't know that that
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Speaker 1: makes me sad they called him their best friends. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think that's lovely that older kids found their parents
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Speaker 1: to be their best friends and wanted to.
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Speaker 2: Hang out with them. Lived across the street from.
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Speaker 1: Ye, the daughter lived across the street, so.
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Speaker 2: But sat all the way around regardless.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's just go through a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a timeline. Since we have more details of this case
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Speaker 1: now and what happened, and you know, we know he
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Speaker 1: was arrested, let's just go through some of this timeline.
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Speaker 1: So on Saturday, December fourteenth, Nick Reiner attends Conan O'Brien's
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Speaker 1: holiday party with his parents. He's wearing a hoodie while
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Speaker 1: the rest of the attendees are dressed in tuxedos at
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Speaker 1: the party.
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Speaker 2: Was it a black hoodie?
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Speaker 1: Was it a band's hoodie?
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Speaker 2: I knew I should have gone to the party. I
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Speaker 2: was too tired that I should have gone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, next time Conan invites you, Oh yeah, I'll.
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Speaker 2: Be on the lookout, Nick.
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Speaker 1: Was allegedly approaching a list guests asking what's your name,
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Speaker 1: what's your last name? Are you famous? This is according
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Speaker 1: to the Wall Street Journal.
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Speaker 2: When I first read this that he that he went
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Speaker 2: around saying that to people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, he went around the party asking people if they
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Speaker 1: were famous.
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Speaker 2: And that's why they're at Conan O'Brien's I know.
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Speaker 1: I was like, what party do you think you're at?
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Speaker 1: This is why you have a hoodie on. Anyway, Allegedly,
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Speaker 1: Nick interrupted Bill Hayter. Do you remember you know who
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Speaker 1: Bill Hayter is from Saturday Night?
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Speaker 2: He was the dayline guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, while he was in the middle of a private conversation.
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Speaker 1: An insider told NBC News that Nick stared at Hater
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Speaker 1: before storming off. I don't I guess he was just
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Speaker 1: off the whole night, and I guess he was.
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Speaker 2: It didn't matter that it was Bill Hayter, it could
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Speaker 2: have been anyone. He was obviously not responding, right, he's.
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Speaker 1: In a hoodie. He's walking around asking people if they're famous.
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Speaker 1: The hoodie Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to leave the
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Speaker 1: hoodie out of it.
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Speaker 2: I'd wear one too if I could. I know you
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Speaker 2: are well aware that you would.
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Speaker 1: Due to his behavior, Nick was asked to leave the
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Speaker 1: party early. Sources have said that Rob and Michelle brought
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Speaker 1: Nick to the party to keep an eye on him
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Speaker 1: amid concerns of his history with drug addiction. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's known if they all left together
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Speaker 1: or else. Nick was asked to leave because he was
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Speaker 1: disruptive or he was kind of freaking the guests out,
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Speaker 1: and then I and then his parents were embarrassed and
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Speaker 1: they left later. I don't know, but we know that
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Speaker 1: they all left. So then early morning of Sunday, This
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Speaker 1: is the next day, December fifteenth. According to La District
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Speaker 1: Attorney Nathan Hawkman, Rob and Michelle were killed in the
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Speaker 1: early morning hours on Sunday. Investigative sources told The Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail that the couple was found in bed with their
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Speaker 1: throats cut, and that they may have been asleep when
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Speaker 1: the murder occurred. Sources say rigamortis had begun to set in,
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Speaker 1: suggesting that they had been dead for several hours when
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Speaker 1: their daughter found them around three pm. A source adds
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Speaker 1: that Nick may have returned home after the party and
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Speaker 1: killed them during the night.
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Speaker 2: Well, what a horrific scene that their daughter had to see. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Griga mortis, Yeah, which is unsettling. Yeah, I'm sure there
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Speaker 2: was a lot of blood. And then if it was
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Speaker 2: the throats, which we think it was, that's even more visual.
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Speaker 2: Right then stabbed I don't mean to be griston, but
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Speaker 2: then stabbed in the torso and they have like clothes
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Speaker 2: on or something. Yeah, so it's just it's just red blood.
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Speaker 2: This is like gory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also read I think this was the New
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Speaker 1: York Times that we know the masseuse went to do
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Speaker 1: their massage appointment and then they didn't answer, they didn't
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Speaker 1: open the gate. So then the messuse became concerned, which
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Speaker 1: we talked about earlier.
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Speaker 2: That auviously would have been like yeah, your messuse, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: charge him full price.
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Speaker 1: He's not here, he said, no show. But the messuse
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Speaker 1: became concern. Yeah, which makes me believe that they this
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Speaker 1: is someone that they used often, probably.
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Speaker 2: That they've maybe they saw maybe the messius saw cars.
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Speaker 2: I had a reason to think they were home. Maybe
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Speaker 2: she confirmed he or she confirmed the night before it
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Speaker 2: comes there's cars there and they're like, okay, something's wrong.
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Speaker 2: I know the daughter lives across the street.
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Speaker 1: So they reach out to the daughter and say, you
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Speaker 1: know that their parents aren't answering. So the daughter comes
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Speaker 1: over with a roommate to check on her parents. She
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Speaker 1: goes into the house. She goes into the bedroom, she
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Speaker 1: only sees her dad and she screams, runs out, tells.
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Speaker 2: The roommate in the room together.
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Speaker 1: No, they both are, but she doesn't see her mom.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she saw one and father, but not the mother.
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Speaker 1: So she screams, she's obviously, you know, frantic and traumatizing
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Speaker 1: all the things, runs out, asks the roommates call nine
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Speaker 1: one one. The roommate calls nine one one. When the
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Speaker 1: police come, then I believe the police confirm with the
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Speaker 1: daughter that actually both of her parents were in the bed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got worse news for you. It's both of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's terrible.
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Speaker 1: Around four am on Sunday, this is so the son,
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Speaker 1: Nick checks into the peer Side Santa Monica hotel using
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Speaker 1: his own credit card. Witnesses have described him as looking
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Speaker 1: tweaked out. This is per TMZ.
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Speaker 2: Wait there you go. He's using the credit card. That
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Speaker 2: might have been how they tracked him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was asking you, how did the police
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Speaker 1: find him so quickly? Well, first, well, this is what
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Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier. In order for them to
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Speaker 1: arrest him, they had to have probable cause.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what they.
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Speaker 1: Discovered when they discovered the bodies that led them so
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Speaker 1: quickly to him. I don't know if maybe there's doorbell footage,
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Speaker 1: ring footage.
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Speaker 2: If there's, it would have to be in the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, well a lot of people have I mean,
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Speaker 1: he has to enter the house because I believe he
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Speaker 1: didn't live in the house. I think I read that
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Speaker 1: he lived like in a guest house. It's a huge house.
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Speaker 1: It's thirteen thousand square cubs.
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Speaker 2: And goes, and it shows on the footage.
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Speaker 1: That I don't know. I don't know how big the
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Speaker 1: house is. It's just a big house in Brentwood.
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Speaker 2: If it can if it showed that it came, he
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Speaker 2: came and left, I don't know. That's not probable cause.
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Speaker 2: That's enough to say he's a person interest, let's reach
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Speaker 2: out to him and see what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just wondering what the evidence was that they
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Speaker 1: found when they first arrived that allowed them to immediately
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Speaker 1: look for him, find him, and arrest him. So I'm
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Speaker 1: sure we'll find out those there are more details that
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Speaker 1: will come.
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Speaker 2: Out of that was written in blood on the wall.
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Speaker 2: So this is what I'm gonna guess. Then how how
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Speaker 2: they maybe this is the probable cause, is they're gonna
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Speaker 2: they're gonna obviously kind of sweep the area. Maybe they're
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Speaker 2: like maybe the daughter saying, look into our son and
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Speaker 2: my brother, right, there's an altercation. So then they look
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Speaker 2: up his credit card charges or whatever. They find him
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Speaker 2: at a hotel. They go to the hotel to try
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Speaker 2: to investigate, and then staff reports blood or this and that,
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Speaker 2: and then they go And that's quite a bit of
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Speaker 2: probable cause.
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Speaker 1: I still have a question whether he murdered his parents
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Speaker 1: before he checked into the hotel or after he checked
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Speaker 1: into the hotel, because they claim when he checked into
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Speaker 1: the hotel that he didn't have any blood on him anywhere.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if he checked into the hotel,
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Speaker 1: leaves the hotel, goes back, or when he checked into
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Speaker 1: the hotel, he cleaned himself up, or he had a
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Speaker 1: jacket on, so maybe he was covered, yeah, covered the blood.
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Speaker 2: But do we know that they arrested him or do
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Speaker 2: they detain him for questioning and then maybe later while
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Speaker 2: he's detained they're investigating, and people are reporting blood and
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Speaker 2: this and that, and then they say, okay, now we're
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Speaker 2: gonna press charges because you can detain without pressing charges.
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Speaker 1: They had three cop cars that pulled up when they
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Speaker 1: found him, and he put his arms up in the air.
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Speaker 2: And the due time, due time will find out.
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Speaker 1: Also when Romi, this is the daughter, after she went
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Speaker 1: over and she found the bodies, I do know she
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Speaker 1: contacted her dad's longtime friend, Billy Crystal.
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Speaker 2: I think the first person I read yea, she had
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Speaker 2: reached out to right.
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Speaker 1: And first responders pronounced both victims dead at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Later that day, Romy tell's authorities that her brother also
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Speaker 1: lived on the property, but Nick is not found in
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Speaker 1: the guest house. From there, the LAPD issues an alert
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Speaker 1: for Nick Reiner. So so there must have been we
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Speaker 1: don't know the details, but there must have been other
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Speaker 1: things that point towards him. At around nine to fifteen
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Speaker 1: pm on Sunday, Nick Reiner is arrested approximately fifteen miles
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Speaker 1: from the Hiner's Brentwood home at a Los Angeles gas
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Speaker 1: station and exposition park. My question is, how did he
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Speaker 1: get from the house to fifteen miles away. Maybe there's
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Speaker 1: a train.
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Speaker 2: Well, probably a car was he was at a gas station.
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Speaker 1: I thought he wasn't driving though, I don't know. He
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Speaker 1: didn't have a car uber. I don't know. I feel
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Speaker 1: like an uber driver would have come forward. He walked
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Speaker 1: fifteen miles, I don't know. Video obtained by The New
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Speaker 1: York Post shows a multiple shows multiple unmarked police cars
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Speaker 1: surrounding him. Nick appeared calm raising his arms in surrender
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Speaker 1: immediately before being taken into custody by homicide detectives and
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Speaker 1: US marshals. They show video footage of him. He went
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Speaker 1: into an Arco a gas station. Yeah, he's I don't know,
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Speaker 1: he's his like walking around like a normal person with
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Speaker 1: a backpack and a jacket. He bought a blue gatorade.
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Speaker 2: Well, people say that about murders all the time. What
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Speaker 2: are they supposed to be doing, I don't know, sweaty
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Speaker 2: and stressing it would be.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how you murdered your
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Speaker 1: parents in the middle of the night and then you
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Speaker 1: leave their house and then you just walk around LA.
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Speaker 1: You go into a gas station, you buy a gateorade.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's a blue Gatorade, by the way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, GATORAE light. That's what our kids like.
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Speaker 1: I know. Nick is being held without bail at Twin
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Speaker 1: Towers Correctional Facility and has been placed on suicide watch.
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Speaker 1: Authority state there is no indication that was under the
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Speaker 1: influence of drugs at the time of the murders. Well
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Speaker 1: that's interesting because I would have guessed that he would
16:06
Speaker 1: have been extremely Authorities have not yet disclosed what evidence
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Speaker 1: they are relying on, nor whether a weapon or forensic
16:14
Speaker 1: evidence has been recovered, you know, and I understand they're
16:16
Speaker 1: not going to release all that to the public, but
16:18
Speaker 1: it leaves so many questions as to timeline, when it
16:21
Speaker 1: was done, how he got to the gas station, what
16:23
Speaker 1: probable cause they had to arrest him. There's a lot
16:26
Speaker 1: of questions, still a lot of questions. So who is
16:37
Speaker 1: Nick Reiner's defense team? Prominent criminal defense lawyer Alan Jackson,
16:41
Speaker 1: And if you have listened to any of our previous podcasts,
16:44
Speaker 1: you'll know that I'm a big fan of Alan Jackson.
16:47
Speaker 1: He's represented many high profile cebrities. I don't know, just
16:52
Speaker 1: in the Karen retrial, and when he did his opening
16:54
Speaker 1: statement in his closing I was like, he's just he's
16:57
Speaker 1: going no, no, No, that's the other attorney. I like,
17:03
Speaker 1: can't keep up and there wasn't a trial.
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Speaker 2: Well no, but there, you're right, there's litigation.
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Speaker 1: Jackson confirmed outside the downtown Los Angeles courthouse Tuesday that
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Speaker 1: he is serving as Reiner's attorney, and was also seen
17:16
Speaker 1: that day at the family's Brentwood residence. Okay, I have
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Speaker 1: so many questions about how Alan Jackson is his attorney.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Alan Jackson is such a high profile
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Speaker 1: attorney that he has to cost a lot of money
17:26
Speaker 1: a ton, Like, you know, he's expensive. He's probably one
17:28
Speaker 1: thousand dollars an hour at least. Who reached out to him,
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Speaker 1: like whose idea was?
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Speaker 2: No one? I think no one reached out to him.
17:37
Speaker 2: I imagine he reached well, I don't know, because they can't.
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Speaker 1: They can't do that Chase. That's unethical. So I don't know.
17:43
Speaker 1: I'm saying who within Nick's inner circle, I don't know.
17:51
Speaker 1: I know what my question is is who recommended Alan Jackson.
17:56
Speaker 2: Probably took your advice, listened, He listens, that's it, and
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Speaker 2: he thought Emily is a huge chance for Alan Jackson.
18:03
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm going to hire Alan Jackson, and
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Speaker 1: I wonder where the money's coming from to pay Alan
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Speaker 1: Jackson's fees, because there's no way that he's doing this
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Speaker 1: pro bono. That man does not need to do anything
18:13
Speaker 1: pro bonout.
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Speaker 2: Well, people don't do pro bona because they need to
18:18
Speaker 2: do promoning.
18:18
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying, I'm saying such a no. But I'm
18:21
Speaker 1: saying some people would take a high profile case like this,
18:24
Speaker 1: as you said, profile again, high profile case like this
18:28
Speaker 1: for free because they would get so much publicity and
18:31
Speaker 1: their business would probably most likely that boom. But I'm
18:34
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't need that.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say if he's doing it without pay, One,
18:41
Speaker 2: the pay might be deferred, so if he's found not guilty,
18:45
Speaker 2: he'll have an estate and then they'll bill him and
18:48
Speaker 2: he'll pay that way. Or two. Alan Jackson probably has
18:52
Speaker 2: such such a well fine tuned law firm that's lucrative
18:58
Speaker 2: and successful that he takes these high profile cases out
19:01
Speaker 2: of passion and to do what he loves to do.
19:04
Speaker 2: And as a result, his name is out there and
19:07
Speaker 2: people call his law firm, and then he gets more
19:10
Speaker 2: cases that way for his other attorneys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you're saying that he's doing it, then
19:14
Speaker 1: he's not doing it for a fee.
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Speaker 2: I said, two options.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I need more information on that.
19:21
Speaker 2: So well you d m him.
19:23
Speaker 1: I've tried.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't know who you are. Actually request a cameo
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Speaker 2: from Alan Jackson. Oh my gosh.
19:32
Speaker 1: If he was on cameo, I order, I don't care.
19:35
Speaker 1: I would pay for it and I would order it.
19:37
Speaker 2: Good looking or something.
19:39
Speaker 1: Yes, he's good looking, and he's smart, and he's just
19:42
Speaker 1: he's powerful, and he's he's a he's a good attorney.
19:45
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like. I don't fangirl over
19:48
Speaker 1: movie stars. No, not really, Okay, I like rip a
19:54
Speaker 1: little rip here and there, little Charlie Hunham. Over the years,
19:58
Speaker 1: Jackson has represented a number of widely known clients. Most recently,
20:01
Speaker 1: he secured an acquittal for Karen Reid. He also defended
20:04
Speaker 1: actor Kevin Ski.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's another question. How did he How did Karen
20:07
Speaker 2: Reid pay his bill?
20:09
Speaker 1: She mortgaged her house and her foot and she's so
20:12
Speaker 1: the cash out her four to oh one k and
20:15
Speaker 1: her retirement and everything.
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Speaker 2: Man, no shame in Alan Jackson's took her for what
20:18
Speaker 2: she's worthing.
20:19
Speaker 1: Well, she also had a fund that people donated to
20:21
Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 2: So maybe he's anticipating some funds coming his way, some
20:26
Speaker 2: opportunities coming his way. He might get something out of
20:30
Speaker 2: the will if he's not found guilty of homicide, things
20:32
Speaker 2: like that, and so it's a risk he takes to
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Speaker 2: have a high profile case.
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Speaker 1: Jackson was also part of the defense team for film
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Speaker 1: producer Harvey Weinstein during his Los Angeles trial, which resulted
20:42
Speaker 1: in Weinstein's conviction on multiple felony counts, including rape, and
20:46
Speaker 1: a sixteen year prison.
20:47
Speaker 2: S Oh, this definitely sounds a guy you.
20:48
Speaker 1: Would find well, you know, I mean, you can't all.
20:51
Speaker 2: I wonder how Harvey paid his bills.
20:54
Speaker 1: In addition, Jackson is currently representing Fraser Michael Boehme, who
20:58
Speaker 1: is accused of killing the four Pepper Dye University sorority
21:01
Speaker 1: sisters in a twenty twenty three crash on Pacific Coast
21:03
Speaker 1: Highway in Malibu. So, you know what, some people sent
21:08
Speaker 1: me dms because I posted in my Instagram stories you
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Speaker 1: know that Alan Jackson was representing Nick Reiner, and then
21:14
Speaker 1: some people DMed and they were like, Oh, that's disgusting.
21:17
Speaker 1: Why would he do that? You know, like he shouldn't
21:19
Speaker 1: do that. At the end of the day, if you're
21:21
Speaker 1: a defense attorney, that's what you do. And everyone deserves
21:25
Speaker 1: a defense. I don't care who you want.
21:27
Speaker 2: To keep prosecution in check, you do.
21:29
Speaker 1: It's a check and balances. Everyone deserves a good defense.
21:34
Speaker 1: And that's how I mean, that's how the system operates.
21:37
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean he's he's going to get
21:40
Speaker 2: him to be found not guilty. It could be you
21:43
Speaker 2: you make sure it's a proper sentencing, or the charges
21:45
Speaker 2: aren't outrageous, or you know, and you keep prosecution in check,
21:49
Speaker 2: because then it'll be the next one, the next one,
21:50
Speaker 2: next one, the next thing. You know, prosecutors could single
21:53
Speaker 2: handedly start to just steamroll everything. And so it's checks
21:57
Speaker 2: and balances. So the prosecution team, that's case why you
22:00
Speaker 2: need to judge one had to throw them in.
22:02
Speaker 1: Jail, right exactly what you're saying, really that thought is
22:05
Speaker 1: there should be no due process because this guy obviously
22:08
Speaker 1: killed his parents, but we have to go through the
22:10
Speaker 1: legal system. Everyone deserves a fair trial and everyone deserves
22:14
Speaker 1: to be defended. So the prosecution team includes veteran attorneys
22:18
Speaker 1: have been I don't have to say the last name,
22:20
Speaker 1: Ballion and Jonathan Chung, both of whom have handled high
22:24
Speaker 1: profile homicide cases under intense public scrutiny. Bil On previously
22:29
Speaker 1: played a leading role in opposing resentencing efforts for Lyle
22:32
Speaker 1: and Eric Menendez, who's nineteen eighty nine murders of their
22:36
Speaker 1: parents resurfaced in the public eye after the recent Monsters
22:39
Speaker 1: series that was on Netflix. So this prosecutor was very
22:43
Speaker 1: anti recencing. But I mean, we know they got resentenced.
22:47
Speaker 1: They're just still in prison and maybe they'll get paroled.
22:50
Speaker 1: That's a whole other episode was the recentencing.
22:52
Speaker 2: What was the end result?
22:53
Speaker 1: Remind me, well, they're eligible for parole now based on
22:56
Speaker 1: their recent saying. Chong meanwhile obtain a f eleni conviction
23:00
Speaker 1: last year in a widely watched case involving a man
23:03
Speaker 1: who broke into the Los Angeles home of Mayor Karen Bass.
23:07
Speaker 1: So there we are. That's the most recent updates on
23:11
Speaker 1: the Rob and Michelle Reiner case and their son, Nick Reiner.
23:16
Speaker 1: We will continue to follow this case because I find
23:18
Speaker 1: it so interesting and I have so many questions.
23:20
Speaker 2: About do you have any predictions.
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to plead not guilty by reason
23:26
Speaker 1: of insanity, and that's my prediction. Right now, Okay, because
23:34
Speaker 1: he does have a history not only of drug use
23:36
Speaker 1: and drug abuse, but also of mental illness. And then
23:40
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was at that party
23:42
Speaker 1: with so many people and so many people are talking
23:45
Speaker 1: about his behavior, I think they're going to have expert
23:48
Speaker 1: witnesses come in that talk about like he was going
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Speaker 1: through psychosis or something and he wasn't, he wasn't in
23:53
Speaker 1: his right.
23:53
Speaker 2: State, talk about what the sensing is.
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Speaker 1: Well, the special circumstance allows you to seek the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Right, and so death penalty is on the table. Yes,
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Speaker 2: they haven't said they're going to pursue that yet. Right,
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Speaker 2: that's available. It's an option. That's an option, and then
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Speaker 2: the other option is a lifetime I think without parol.
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