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Episode 19: The Power of Words · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode nineteen of Ravellio for May fifteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I'm Nicole, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Amy, and I'm Tom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all sorts of thrown off this episode because
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  Speaker 3: Skype has gone bye bye and our sad little millennial
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  Speaker 3: hearts can't handle it. Now we have to learn new technology.
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  Speaker 2: It's great, fine, we're too old for this. So in
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  Speaker 2: this episode we'll be discussing words, both spoken and and
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  Speaker 2: their power in Harry Potter series. But first.
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  Speaker 1: Whistling to WWN, the Wizarding Wireless Network. Now for the
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  Speaker 1: latest headlines. Okay, so just a little bit of news
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  Speaker 1: for this episode. And I know I said that last
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  Speaker 1: episode and then we talked he like forty minutes about
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  Speaker 1: the news, But I truly think this will just be
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  Speaker 1: a quick news segment for probably the first time in
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  Speaker 1: a while. So the first thing here is Bloomsbury announced
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  Speaker 1: that the annual Harry Potter Book Day this year will
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  Speaker 1: be on Thursday, October ninth, twenty twenty five, and this
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  Speaker 1: year's theme is Friends and Foes, which is very interesting
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  Speaker 1: and you can learn more. There's like different kits you
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  Speaker 1: can sign up for as well, and all that information
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  Speaker 1: can be found at Harry Potter book day dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next thing here is so the duo
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  Speaker 1: behind min Alima will be at the Harry Potter Shop
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  Speaker 1: Chicago actually a few days after this episode comes out,
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday May seventeenth, and then the next day their
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  Speaker 1: jet setting over to New York City to be at
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  Speaker 1: the Harry Potter Shop in New York on Sunday May eighteenth.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're near those shops, definitely try to swing
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  Speaker 1: over on those days so that you can meet me
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  Speaker 1: and Alma.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are lovely, lovely people. I was lucky enough
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  Speaker 2: to interview them back on the local Net days and
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  Speaker 2: they were so so nice and I wanted to meet them.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't meet and greet like a month ago in Edinburgh,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, unfortunately I couldn't make it, but I would
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  Speaker 2: have loved to, so hopefully next time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great. I met them at a New York
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  Speaker 1: Comic con several years ago now, so yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be an episode of Rebellio without some universal
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  Speaker 1: park news. I don't know what we're going to do
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  Speaker 1: once like the universal news stops, like you know, flowing,
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  Speaker 1: but the there's a new butter beer bar that opened
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  Speaker 1: in City Walk at Universal Orlando. So if you've never
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  Speaker 1: been to Universal Orlando before, City Walk is this area
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  Speaker 1: of shops and dining that's before you go into the parks,
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  Speaker 1: so you can explore City Walk without having a park ticket.
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  Speaker 1: So this is really nice because this offers an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to get butter beer without a park ticket. So this
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  Speaker 1: Butterbeer bar is located in the Universal Studio store, like
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  Speaker 1: the new one that they built. In the back of
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  Speaker 1: that store, they have the Wizarding Merch expansion and then
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  Speaker 1: that's where the butter Beer bar is. Super cute what
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  Speaker 1: they did with it, and you'll be able to get
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  Speaker 1: cold or frozen butterbeer at this location.
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  Speaker 3: So what I'm hearing is after a day in the park,
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  Speaker 3: you can hit up the butter Beer bar on your
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  Speaker 3: way out so that you have butter beer to go
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  Speaker 3: on the bus and back to your hotel.
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  Speaker 2: HM.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing that would make that better was would
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  Speaker 1: be the inclusion of hot butter beer.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you guys are team hot butter Beer.
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  Speaker 1: We are. I mean even in the dead summer heat,
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  Speaker 1: you will catch me getting a hot butter beer. But
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  Speaker 1: it's all about the timing, like if you like, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to have a hot butter beer in Florida summer,
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  Speaker 1: like you get that like first thing, Like if you
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  Speaker 1: go and you have breakfast at the Three Broomsticks. This
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  Speaker 1: is what I did when I was there last month,
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  Speaker 1: even though it was still really hot, but like, had
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  Speaker 1: breakfast at the Three Broomsticks. Got a hot butter beer
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  Speaker 1: with my breakfast. So I was sitting inside in the
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  Speaker 1: nice air conditioning. It was completely finished by the time
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  Speaker 1: I went out into the Florida heat, and so I
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  Speaker 1: got to enjoy it without dying inside.
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  Speaker 3: Or you know, just wait until you're about to get
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  Speaker 3: in line for like gring Gots or something, get your
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  Speaker 3: hot butter beer. Then you're in the cold, icy the
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  Speaker 3: whole time. You drink it forty five minutes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the line's forty five minutes. You're good, you finished your
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  Speaker 3: hot butter beer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where there's like a t oh.
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  Speaker 1: I think there is like trash cans, like when you
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  Speaker 1: go into the last room, like to go up, like
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  Speaker 1: where you get your glasses and go up. I can't
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  Speaker 1: really remember because when I was there last month, which
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  Speaker 1: was the first time I was back in a while.
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  Speaker 1: I went single rider, so kind of bypass all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, don't knock the hot butter beer. Even if
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  Speaker 1: it's hot, get it. But yeah, I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think hot butter beer will probably come to this butter
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  Speaker 1: beer bar. I think it's obviously they make a certain
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  Speaker 1: amount of it in a day, and the way they
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  Speaker 1: have to store it, and it's got the foam, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's a little I think it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more involved probably than the other ones. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that's really cool. If you're just in Cety Walk for
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  Speaker 1: the night and want to have a butter beer and
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  Speaker 1: don't care that you're not in the Beyonce of the park,
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  Speaker 1: definitely check out that new butter beer bar. And then
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  Speaker 1: we also learned that the new second generation wands have
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  Speaker 1: added to their collection at Universal Orlando, so you can
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  Speaker 1: now get the Harry Potter, Hermione Granger, and Elvis Dumbledore
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  Speaker 1: character wands in second generation form. So we previously talked
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  Speaker 1: about the second generation wands at length back in episode fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: but these are the ones that you can perform extra
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  Speaker 1: spells with and they connect to the Universal app for
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  Speaker 1: different features as well, so before adding these three character wands,
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  Speaker 1: there were only four options to choose from. The new
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  Speaker 1: ones in Epic Universe at cosme Acageorge are not the
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  Speaker 1: second generation, it's just the four. So this is exciting
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  Speaker 1: that the collection's growing, and I wonder if this is
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  Speaker 1: the start of we're going to start seeing like all
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  Speaker 1: the care eventually become second generation as well. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this is We're gonna slowly phase out the
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  Speaker 1: first generation and just have second generation or have both.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be really interesting to see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just asking myself, why do they always leave Ron
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  Speaker 2: out of this equation? Like when they did the Wooden
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  Speaker 2: once they did the Wooden Ones and it was Harry,
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  Speaker 2: Hermione and Dumbledore, and now they're doing the same thing
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  Speaker 2: with these second generation wants. It's like, come on, give
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  Speaker 2: something to Ron too, Like what's going on there?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like Ron's want isn't as like iconic, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like I think at the same time, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's obviously our main character and so people are gonna
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  Speaker 1: buy it, but I'm sure he'll get added eventually. But
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  Speaker 1: I was the first thought I had to Tom, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, where's Ron.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like they have to eventually just phase out
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  Speaker 3: the first gen wants and just have the second gen
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  Speaker 3: because this is so confusing. If you didn't know any
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  Speaker 3: of this and you walked into the park, it was
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  Speaker 3: your first time at the park and you were buying
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  Speaker 3: an interactive wand I feel like it's just setting it
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  Speaker 3: up for confusion and disappointment when people can't do all
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  Speaker 3: the spells and they think they're getting the wand to
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  Speaker 3: do all the spells, like it's they need to just
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  Speaker 3: have one that works with everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say though, like they had so when
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  Speaker 1: I was there last month, I popped into Alexander's and
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  Speaker 1: diagon Alley because I wanted just to see these new
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  Speaker 1: interactive or the second generation ones, because I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the looks of them, and I still don't like the
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  Speaker 1: looks of them seeing them in person. And they do
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  Speaker 1: have them, like the way that they have them set
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  Speaker 1: up and displayed, and like, I think it is clear
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  Speaker 1: that they're different, or at least clear enough to be
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  Speaker 1: like I'm going to ask like a worker like about
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  Speaker 1: this and what's different about it? But I know that
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  Speaker 1: like the maps are definitely confusing because there's not step
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  Speaker 1: they're like still the same, like the new maps that
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  Speaker 1: include Epic Universe. I'm pretty sure they're the same for
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  Speaker 1: like if you have a first generation or a second generation.
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  Speaker 1: And so there was a lot of confusion about the
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  Speaker 1: Cosme wants in particular because obviously of this new park
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  Speaker 1: new wands, like why wouldn't they and then the maps
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  Speaker 1: mentioned second generation, so like why wouldn't they be? But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think if they the way they have it right now,
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  Speaker 1: I think they've done an okay job separating them. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if they're going to continue to grow the second generation
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  Speaker 1: collection while still having the first generation, I completely agree,
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  Speaker 1: Like they're going to have to like figure something out
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  Speaker 1: and how they have it displayed in all vanders because
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  Speaker 1: it it will get confusing if the collection grows too big.
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  Speaker 2: And also these second generation wants they look slightly different,
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  Speaker 2: like they look a little bulkier, like you know, remember those.
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  Speaker 1: But they're heavier too. I thought that they were because
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  Speaker 1: I the thing is, I held one, but the one
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  Speaker 1: I held was like obviously their display one, which obviously
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to contain all the right parts because they
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to just take it, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think to like open one of the boxes and like
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  Speaker 1: hold one of the actual ones to see if it's heavier.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like I also have heard that the
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  Speaker 1: new ones in general are lighter than they used to be,
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  Speaker 1: and so they don't feel is real. Like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really curious because I am still planning to buy
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  Speaker 1: like a wand from cosme Like, so I'm really curious
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  Speaker 1: to see compared to like the one that I have,
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  Speaker 1: But they are chunky kind of like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: they seem really chunky. Like I said, I just wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a fan of how they looked in person, which could
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  Speaker 1: just be my like style. But yeah, it's definitely interesting
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  Speaker 1: that there's character wands coming that That is what makes
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  Speaker 1: me think they'll eventually all the second generation versus just
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  Speaker 1: keeping them these new ones. But yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the new ones at cosme Like have
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  Speaker 1: definitely shown that people are really interested in getting like
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  Speaker 1: non character wands, so I do hope that they kind
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  Speaker 1: of continue to make mm hmm, non character wands. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: next time I'm there, I'll have to feel I'll report
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  Speaker 1: back how they feel. But I've definitely heard online that
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  Speaker 1: they seem more like, I don't want to say, like toys,
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  Speaker 1: but I have heard that being thrown around a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: whereas I feel like the one that I have actually
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  Speaker 1: has some weight to it, so it feels like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, if I had a wand, like, this is
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  Speaker 1: what it would feel like. But yeah, those new interactive
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  Speaker 1: ones have extra technology components in them, so I imagine
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  Speaker 1: they would. Maybe that's why they're chunkier because they have
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  Speaker 1: to have like this extra sensor and stuff in them.
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  Speaker 2: Probably makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see these new character wands how
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  Speaker 1: they look a second generation, Like do they look chunkier
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  Speaker 1: to each other? Yeah? Or is it just that the
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  Speaker 1: designs that already came out were just naturally chunkier and
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  Speaker 1: we're just what we're talking about here is makes it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because that's not it. I think the character
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  Speaker 1: wands will be really telling of if there's like a
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  Speaker 1: difference in the structure of the two generations, because if
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  Speaker 1: you had one of each, like, how would you tell
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  Speaker 1: like which is which? Like you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they look different. I just haven't like looked
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  Speaker 1: at them enough. But yeah, more wands. And then the
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  Speaker 1: last thing I had here is I just actually saw
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  Speaker 1: this today, but premiering at the end of July on
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  Speaker 1: the twenty fourth on p Cock, which is obviously owned
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: with Universal and they're all that same company. They're going
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: to be doing a three part docu series celebrating the
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  Speaker 1: history and legacy of Universal Destinations and Experiences, and it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be called Epic Ride the Story of Universal
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  Speaker 1: Theme Parks. Interesting, Yeah, so this is really exciting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they said, I'll read the little blurb from what
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  Speaker 1: I saw on their Instagram. They said, through unprecedented access
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  Speaker 1: where archival and intimate interviews with directors, producers, executive and
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  Speaker 1: a list celebrities, the series will explore Universal's iconic film
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  Speaker 1: and theme park history, as well as provide an exclusive
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes countdown to the opening of its groundbak
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  Speaker 1: groundbreaking new theme park, Universal Epic Universe. Hmm, that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: that sounds exciting. I know, I have a three month
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: free trial of Peacock, and I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: expire before this. I might have to just pay for
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  Speaker 1: a month so that I can watch it.
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  Speaker 3: Tag's pretty cheap though, from what I remember it is.
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  Speaker 3: I used to have it and I canceled it after
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  Speaker 3: I finished Parks and rec Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I went to. But yeah, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: had for the news this week.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So for our main discussion, we're talking about words
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  Speaker 3: and their power in the Harry Potter series, and this
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  Speaker 3: topic is kind of inspired by that quote from Dumbledore.
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  Speaker 3: Words are, in my not so humble opinion, our most
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  Speaker 3: inexhaustible source of magic, capable of both inflicting injury and
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  Speaker 3: remedying remedying it. So throughout history, words both spoken and written,
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  Speaker 3: have been at the center of power and magic through
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  Speaker 3: all cultures and societies, from ancient Egyptians to Celtic Druids.
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  Speaker 3: Spells and magic was put into writing, and when I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking about this topic, I was like, I know,
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  Speaker 3: I researched this before, so shameless plug in the book
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  Speaker 3: that I helped co write, A Listening World History of Magic,
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  Speaker 3: a comprehensive chronicle of the Harry Potter universe through the
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  Speaker 3: ages available wherever you find books, there's the first entry
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  Speaker 3: actually that we had to write. I had to research
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  Speaker 3: some of this and I thought this would be a
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  Speaker 3: good little recap before we delve into this farther so
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  Speaker 3: from that book. On page ten, paragraph three, it says
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  Speaker 3: Egyptian hieroglyphics and ancient Greek manuscripts attest to how the
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  Speaker 3: written word was revered and even considered magical by early civilizations.
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  Speaker 3: The oldest form of writing known to archaeologists is Sumerian script,
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  Speaker 3: engraved into clay tablets in ancient Mesopotamia as early as
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  Speaker 3: thirty four hundred BC. At that time and for many
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  Speaker 3: thousands of years to follow, the vast majority of humans
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  Speaker 3: were illiterate, since the practice of reading and writing had
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  Speaker 3: been relegated only to certain educated classes. In fact, ancient
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  Speaker 3: Egyptians considered writing the most powerful form of magic. As
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  Speaker 3: a result, much of the ability to practice magic was
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  Speaker 3: reserved for those who could also read and write. In
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  Speaker 3: this case, priests inscribes. Priests acted as guardians of the
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  Speaker 3: knowledge passed down from the gods, information that they used
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  Speaker 3: to protect the Pharaoh and assist the dead on their
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  Speaker 3: journey to the afterlife. So that same sort of theme
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  Speaker 3: of magic being reserved for certain groups who actually knew
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  Speaker 3: how to read and write, is used throughout different societies
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  Speaker 3: throughout time, until reading and writing became a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more widespread. So when we're speaking of written words and
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  Speaker 3: having to do with magic, the Greeks and Romans used
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  Speaker 3: what's called binding magic, which required written words. So this
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  Speaker 3: required the targets named to be in writing and bound
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  Speaker 3: to a certain fate or outcome. Also, in writing, protective
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  Speaker 3: spells were written on the walls of homes, and cursed
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  Speaker 3: tablets with curses carved into them were buried in graveyards,
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  Speaker 3: thrown in wells, or nailed to the walls of temples,
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  Speaker 3: so lots of written spells there. And then on the
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  Speaker 3: spoken words side, Celtic tribes around eight hundred BC used
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  Speaker 3: a lot of spoken magic in the form of poems
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  Speaker 3: and saws, so there's actually a lot of stories from
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  Speaker 3: Celtic tribes of like storms being calmed by verse in song.
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  Speaker 3: So there's two kind of sides of the words, both
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  Speaker 3: written and spoken. Of course, in the Harry Potter universe
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  Speaker 3: we see a mixture of spoken and written words and
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  Speaker 3: their influence not just on magic, but kind of on power,
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  Speaker 3: dynamics and the story as it unfolds throughout the series.
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  Speaker 3: So let's dive in. So with spoken word, the most
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  Speaker 3: obvious demonstration of this is incantations. So spell incantations are
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  Speaker 3: used all throughout the books. Obviously we're introduced to them
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  Speaker 3: written away. Interestingly, being able to hold those where it's
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  Speaker 3: inside your head. Using nonverbal spells is considered even more
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  Speaker 3: advanced than actually speaking them, which kind of got me
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  Speaker 3: thinking why might that be?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, like, you know, if you think
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  Speaker 1: about having to use a nonverbal spell, like, it is
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  Speaker 1: going to require a lot more like mental work and
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  Speaker 1: concentration and focus. And I would also think like intent,
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  Speaker 1: like your intent really has to be there because you're
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  Speaker 1: essentially making your thought like happen in reality. And if
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  Speaker 1: you kind of think about if in the Muggle world, right,
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  Speaker 1: if you want like your dog to sit, you know
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  Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, of course we don't have magic,
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  Speaker 1: but it kind of shows like you're like you have
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  Speaker 1: to use that verbal So think about like trying to
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  Speaker 1: make someone sit just by thinking it. That would be really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, difficult. I think to this is interesting like
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  Speaker 1: thinking about incantations in general as well, because in thinking
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  Speaker 1: about nonverbal specifically, is that we know from some of
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  Speaker 1: the Potomore writings that certain wand woods can also have
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  Speaker 1: an effect on the performance of nonverbal spells, and also
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  Speaker 1: probably well I would assume would play into that difficulty
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  Speaker 1: as well, Like if you have a certain wand wood
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  Speaker 1: that isn't known for being good with nonverbal spells, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be even that much more difficult for you
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  Speaker 1: because you have this force kind of working against you.
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  Speaker 1: And so some examples of this, so in the podomore
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  Speaker 1: writing on wandwoods, JK. Rowling row of all wand types,
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  Speaker 1: alder is best suited to non verbal spell work, once
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: comes its reputation for being suitable only for the most
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: advanced witches and wizards, whereas on the flip side, dogwood
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: wands refuse to perform non verbal spells, which is interesting,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if the like, what if you're a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: very advanced witcher wizard that has a dogwood wand could
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you bypass that or is it just you just really
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: it's really challenging for you because your wand is working
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: against you in such a way. I think that's interesting.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I think that you know, it's like they're they're more challenging.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: But I also think that spells seem to be less
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: effective when they're not spoken, which is interesting as well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and I think that adds to the importance of like
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the spoken word and kind of like you know, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that made me think, like, why do we think that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: actually saying the incantation makes it more effective? Is it
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: adding like extra like you're able to add that extra
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: power because you're getting it out of just inside of
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: your brain and it's like being verbally said.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: It's like putting it out into the world.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Right, Like does it strengthen the connection like with your
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: wand by verbally saying it?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Like is it also maybe that these nonverbal spells are
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: used like in your defense as well, because the person
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that you're let's say you're dueling, they don't know what
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: spell you're going to cast, So it could be something
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that's like so advanced at that point that you don't
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: even have to you don't even have to say it,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Like it could work to your advantage in your defense.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's something you get out of it, like
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: practicing nonverbal spells as opposed to verbal ones.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think we see exactly that when Harry's
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: trying to throw spells at Snape at the end of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Half Blood Prints, Snape says something like, you know, I'll
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: just keep blocking you because I know what spells, you're saying,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: so you need to learn non verbal spells. So yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that's probably like the advantage of the nonverbal for sure, like.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: In a dueling setting, but I think in everyday life.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And that was actually another example that I had here,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So like, we know that there are some spells that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: are easier to perform nonverbally, like levi a corpus, And
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I think this is exactly for the reason you just said, Tom,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is that you know this is like a jink spell,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and like your intention would be for the other person
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: not to know that you're about to do that to them.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So it makes sense that that spell is easier because
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it goes back to that intention part
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: strongly again, of like when you're in that dueling kind
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of thing, your intent is for someone not to know
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: what you're about to do, so it makes it easier
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to do it, whereas a different type of spell that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: might be harder to do nonverbally is one that does
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: need to have that intent of secrecy or something like that,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: so it is more effective to just say it out loud.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it also makes you think if it was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: maybe intentional that Snape was teaching them nonverbal spells at
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: that point, Like maybe they did that in year six.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was like apparition that you learn it in
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: year six and you learn nonverbal spells. But he was
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: probably very insistent on that because of what was coming,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and he was almost kind of preparing Harry for that
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: as well. That's also interesting to think about.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I think just even the whole idea of
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: incantations is so interesting that like a certain combination of words,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: when spoken in a certain way, can do something.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I think that's just that's really interesting to think about.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember what episode it was, but we
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: were talking about inventing spells and.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Like Department of Mysteries, I think, yeah, like how that works,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Like I would assume it's a lot of trial and error,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: but I feel like you would also have to have
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: a certain knowledge of words and a certain.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Literacy when it comes to that in order to actually
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: put together the right words to get the right result.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And the fact too that you even have to like
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: say the words the right way sometimes m h And
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: if you have the I mean we all know, like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's leosa and a leveosa, like we all you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's such a famous line, but it's important. It is important, right,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Like we see how like not saying the spell right
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: can backfire at you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: So another powerful form of spoken word magic in the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter series is the Unbreakable vow. So speaking the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: words and making the verbal vow is binding, with death
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: as the consequence for breaking it, which really places a
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: lot of importance on someone's word and holding true to
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: your promises in your word very consequential. You break your promise,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you're did think.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Of like all the you know, you make pinky promises
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff like your whole life. But like you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many pinky promises do people break? You know?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And it's but this one is like nope, Like you
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: break this one, you're you're dead.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You're done for it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they clutch forearms and not pinkys, because
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you're really serious. Then we also have the Baltimore name
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: taboo that they place on Valtimore's name in The Deathly Hallows.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So the name and the fear of it has already
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: held its own power throughout the series, but the taboo
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: really kind of enforces that fear and almost it forces
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: those people who would act out against that, it kind
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of forces them into submission into Okay, now we can't
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: even say the name, even though we're not afraid of
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the name. But if we say the name, we're basically
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: summoning death theaters here.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the whole taboo aspect of it,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and the fact that it's just taken to another level
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: through literally it becomes an incantation. You know, it's definitely,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like you said, a way to just silence people and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: limit people's freedom of speech. And yeah, the fact that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it then becomes this literal spell that you know, if
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you say it, like, guess what, the death theaters and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the snatchers are going to be able to find you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And so it just heightens the fear that was like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you said, amy already the for you know, the name,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and just created even more power that that name holds.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And and you know, I was thinking about it, like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: its becomes to the point where speaking the name becomes
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a literal weapon, like a war. And so like you said, yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: even if you're somebody who was not afraid of speaking
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the name, you know, you almost like you have to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: be at this point because it's not just about saying
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the name. It's much more than that. And then I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: think exactly, people who weren't afraid to say the name
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: got themselves in trouble because it just came off. I mean,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: as we see what happens to our Golden trio, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: when you know they speak the name and find out firsthand,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez, this is going to summon people to us,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So you really have to, yeah, be very careful and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on edge.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It's interesting that Valtimore was even threatened by these people
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: saying his name enough that like they felt the need
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to put this taboo on it of like, oh, these
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: are really the people we got to watch for. Like
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: if they're gutsy enough to actually say the name, we're
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: worried about them. So it's it's interesting too that it
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: also places a lot of power on the nerve of
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: someone saying the name, yeah, because clearly that's an issue
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: that like Baltimore and the Death Theaters actually feel threatened by.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Otherwise they wouldn't be hunting those people down.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, especially being Harry, the one who's most likely
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to pronounce his name with no fear whatever, Like he
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you know, he knows that the minute that that name
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: is spoken it's very likely it's going to be Harry
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: because he's one of the few people who's not afraid
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of the name at the end of the day, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: he was never afraid of him, and so yeah, it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a very interesting it's a very interesting thing. Like you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: would think it's to hunt people down, like, but it
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: actually because he feels threatened by them, and he what
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: better way than to eliminate them and just you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: like impose that fear and that in that climate of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: constant fear among people, and and yeah, having them like
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: subdued to him.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think, like really the like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you said, Tom, the anchor of creating the taboo, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: think is really more like Harry, because like you said,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like Harry is going to be the one person who's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like not afraid to say the name, Like Baltimore knows
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: this and knows that this might be my quickest way
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to find him. And so I don't know if, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he necessarily felt like threatened by like
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: all like the people, because I don't I think again,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: he probably just thought it was mainly Harry, But I
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: think that it also just by instilling that extra fear,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it just is another way to like have power and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: probably strokes his ego a little bit, you know, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: just his like manipulative ways and just to feel like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: this like I like I am I don't know, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: think of I'm gonna make another pop culture reference here,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: like I always do. It reminds me of in Star
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Wars when Senator Palpatine like literally says, no, I am
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the Senate, like you're not gonna You're not going to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: consult the Sunate about me and my reign of power here?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I am the Senate. Who are you going to talk to?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And it reminds me of that and Valdemore kind of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: having this like I I am the top guy here,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like what are you get? What are you going to do?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah? H Also, prophecies are spoken word magic, so speaking
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the prophecy puts it kind of out there into the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: universe into being. The interesting part though, is it can
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: be spoken, but if no one hears it, then it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: kind of useless, right, So somebody has to hear those
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: spoken words for it to actually carry any weight or
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: meaning or power. Yeah, I mean it was powerful in
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the case of Valdemore because someone did hear it and
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: report it back to him and then he acted on it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: which is what actually set that into motion. If he'd
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: never acted on.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: It, mm hmm, you enter this loophole of what ifs.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well it's kind of what you were just
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: mentioning about, like the like the act of speaking certain
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: words causing fear and threat because really, like with the prophecy,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it's I think like and then I mean you could
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: get into a whole discussion about prophecies of like our
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: prophecies a faded thing that's going to happen or did
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: it or just all the wheels got set in motion
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: because somebody heard the prophecy and felt fear and threatened
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: or maybe positive emotions, and so then they took the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: initiative to put wheels in motion. That then made that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: prophecy a real thing because yeah, like you said, if
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: if someone never heard that prophecy, like we like, would
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it still happen? Like it needs to be heard? And
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: then Baltimore obviously felt fear and threatened by what he heard.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's this baby that's coming to kill me,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like you know, like at some point in his life,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think he actually thought the baby was gonna.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he did because he tried to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: kill him as a baby, but you know it's it's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: that fear and that threatnice. Yeah, and so that put
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the prophecy in motion. So I think that's just really
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: interesting of like, what is it true weight of the prophecy?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Is it the fact that it's a quote unquote prophecy
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: or is it like somebody like needing to actually hear
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: those words, feeling some kind of emotional drive by those
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: words and then inadvertently putting it into into action. Yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that made sense.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it kind of. It kind of echoes back
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: into like the whole time traveling thing when hearing Hermione
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: go back in time, and you're like, Okay, if they
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: hadn't you know, if Hermione hadn't thrown the rock at Harry,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: if they hadn't you know, taking buck bait to the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Forbidding forest, what would have happened if they had just
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: stayed there? Like everything? You know, it starts making sense
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: when they go back in time, But it's like, what
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: is you know, what is the the you know, what
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: came for the chicken or the egg? You know, it's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: one of those things that really kind of like makes
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you start like you could discuss this for hours and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: be like in this and in this maze. But yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's really interesting because it's like you said, Nicole, like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: is it really what'sparked that motivation? Was it the fact
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that he heard it and he put it in motion
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: or was that actually destiny? But at the same time,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like you said, Amy, like these prophecies need to be
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: heard by someone to be effective. So what is the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: real way around these prophecies?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I think they're just a good example of, like again,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the power of the spoken word and how much words
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: can inflict fear and terror and other emotions enough for
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you to, in Valtimore's case, literally go and try to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: murder a baby because you feared this baby and what
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: this baby could grow up to be. It's just like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like people hear these they give
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so much weight to the words of that prophecy. It's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: not just like, oh, it's just this is another those
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: seers don't know what they're talking I mean, I think
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: some people do feel that way, but these seers don't
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. But just the fact of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like you just have such an emotional reaction when you
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: hear these prophecies like about yourself, understandably, but they really
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: are just words.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it comes back to like the
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: importance of who hears certain things, or the situational thing
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: of like where you would say things like what location
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: is okay to say something? And where Maybe it's not
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: like yelling fire in a movie theater. Right, you can
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: get arrested for that because it causes a lot, Right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: But if I yell fire in my living room, no
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: one cares. Same with like like, if you say it
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and no one's there, it doesn't matter. If you say
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: it in a room full of people who are going
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: to hear it and maybe go carry it out, then
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: it matters. So it's kind of like the situational awareness
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: him too.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: If you say it to someone who doesn't apply to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: are they just like okay, cool, you know.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's some baby, so what right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I just love how Baltimore like never once crossed his
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: mind like, oh, let's just wait and see you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, gotta murder the baby. Just sit
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: back and see if he like grows up, if he
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: makes it past infancy now we're just gonna God.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Because he was so because I think, like I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this is the root of a lot of villains, but
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it's definitely the root of Baltimore. Is like, there is
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of fear and feeling threatened because insecurity, Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: like when you want to be the top dog, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: anything that potentially threatens that, especially as someone wanting to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: be like immortal and seeking that kind of you know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I guess way of life. Anything that threats ends that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: truly is a threat. And I think that in the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Wizarding World, prophecies do bear a lot of weight and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: people do really take them seriously, and I think because
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: they are true, Like I think, like and I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: know if it's maybe like Okay, once somebody hears it
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and they start putting the things into motion, that's when
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: then the fate aspect of it comes into play, Like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore put it into motion. But the fate
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: was always going to be like you know, neither of them,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you know, can live while the other survives. Like I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: think that part is still the faded thing, and it
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was always going to be that way.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know one thing that I just
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to mention is also like the restricted and secret
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: areas of the castle too, So there are certain things
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that do require words or passwords. So the entrance to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the common rooms. Each common room has their own unique
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: password for obviously the students of their respective houses. Then
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: we also have the entrance to the Headmaster's office, which
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: is concealed by gargoyle, and also uh, the entrance to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the Chamber of Secrets, which requires the person to speak
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: parcel tongue in order to open it. So that's another example.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that. You know, those even even
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: portraits had pass passwords and uh it's uh, it's uh yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it's also it was quite interesting when when looking at
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: this topic and saying, okay, this is also something important,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: like the words really like it's not an incantation, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in some ways it is, like because it does cast
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: you know, the gargoyle to to move the portrait to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to open to so it's all part of that power
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: that the word has.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and kind of in that vein, like the
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that goes along with the whole secret keeper thing, like
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: it's not a password, but it's an address, and it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: the same sort of idea right of m the information
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: being passed. Yeah, there's a lot of these actually thinking about.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: It, I was thinking the Marauder's map too. Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I think when you think of those like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the you know, the portraits or entering the common rooms
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: or even the Marauders map, Like, I think it is
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: important to show the power of the spoken word because
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: we're dealing with like magical people. So there's I would
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: feel like a million other things that they could do
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to engage going into the common room or you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: going into an office or using a map, like they
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: literally have magic. But the fact that it's almost like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say this, like it's not primitive
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in a way to use like a spoken word, but
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like it kind of is. It's like it's just the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: fact that, you know, even though we have all this
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: magic at our disposal, we're still using like a spoken
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: password to get into this place.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, expotion of your wond or something.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And isn't the raven Claw entrance riddle they have solved?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. So another one through here is Potter Watch.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I mean they're literally using the power of spoken information
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to combat disinformation that's coming from the Ministry at this point,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and Death Eaters and all of that also has to
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: be unlocked with a password to even access the program. So,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is the perfect example if you're talking
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: about the power of words and how important it is
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: to speak up and speaking truth.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And it's also really hits home with reality and with
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: our Muggle world too. In dark times, you know that
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you needed to kind of like hide somehow, but you
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: still want the truth to come out, so you kind
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of do it in disguise or or undercover some somehow.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So I feel this is very you know, it feels
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: very real too. It feels like, you know, like like
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: our world basically.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And really talking about Potter watches like the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: perfect transition into talking about the written word as well,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: because that kind of takes us right into the propaganda
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and daily profit kind of area here. So with the
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Written War, obviously, the Daily Prophet shows a lot of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: power in swaying the public opinion throughout the series. They
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: successfully turned the public against Harry and Dumbledore. They also
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: cover up corruption in the takeover of the Ministry. You know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: we've also got Rita Skeeter in there. Even before all
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: this crazy Ministry takeover, you know, she's in there writing
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: her a little untruths. We even see Missus Weasley fall
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: for Rita Skeeter's on truths about Hermione, though she knew
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Hermione personally. So it really does show kind of the
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: power of print media as well. On the other end
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of that, of course, you've got the Quibbler, which is
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: the the end of the print media in the Wizarding World.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: And again, I mean it's kind of like Potter Watch
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: in combating the lies from the other side. You know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: most people don't take the Quibbler very seriously, but a
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: lot of people we saw in the books did take
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: heed when Harry sits down for an interview, and it
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: seemed like the honest truth to people, and its started
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to kind of change minds a little bit and m
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: change some outcomes there. So again kind of showing the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: importance of kind of battling.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Out again, going back to this being very relatable, something
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: as common as written word, even in the magical world,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: has these implications that can turn the whole world against you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: You don't need any magic or any spell or incantation
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: anything like this is strong enough for people to go
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: one side or the other. And it has such an
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: influence and an effect on people, and we see this
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: every day in media, and you know, Rita Skeeter, it's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: like the perfect example of these you know journalists who
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: twist and turn the truths and like kind of like
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: you know, blow things out of proportion. Yeah, and they
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: just want to get hits and clicks and things, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you know, they they love a good headline and maybe
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that's not what the person said at all, but we
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: see that every day. And it's so interesting to see
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: how much of an effect this thing that's just written words.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And we just say just written words, but they have
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: so much power that even the magical world is heavily
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: affected by this.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's a reason why those in power
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: many moons ago didn't want the mass is to have
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: access to such written information. It becomes a little dangerous. Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: So another example of the power of written words is
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I must not tell lies. You know, we've got writing
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: as a punishment, but it's also delivering an injury and
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: a permanent reminder of the lesson. So it's inflicting injury
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: and through writing, which is interesting when we think about
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: that Dumbledore quote, it's like, you know, capable of inflicting
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: injury and remon Yeah. Here it is.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: He was just giving Harry the heads up.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, down the line, You're going to meet this
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: toad faced woman. Yeah. To throw it back to last episode. Yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: and I mean kind of like we even said on
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: last episode too. This is so like sick and calculated
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: that Almberge uses the quill to deliver the injury so
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: she can just sit back and be like, I never
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: touched him. Yeah, what you're talking about. He did it
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to himself. So we also have the signing of the
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: da Scroll, where members of Dumbledore's army they signed the
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: scroll as an agreement to keep the organization secret when
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: they met in the Hogshead, and Hermione puts a spell
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: on it so that if anybody tells, they form boils
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: across her face that spell out sneak. So again, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: binding magic, just like those Greeks and Romans.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of like an ample of making like obviously this
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it's like a written version of making a spoken word taboo.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Obviously not to the extent of like what Valdemore did.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Right, but.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: It's like under is kind of like similar.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Here's a repercussion you break your promise, all right, Well,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: the world's gonna know it. Yeah. And then we also
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: have the Book of Acceptance and the Quill of Admittence,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: which we talked about on our Sworting episode, which was
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: episode fifteen. And when a child exhibits signs of magical ability,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: their name is written in the Book of Acceptance by
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: the Quill of Admittence, putting them down for a Hogwarts education,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: and their name being written in the book determines whether
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: or not they get into Hogwarts. So again, power and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: what's written m h so, Yeah, lots of examples, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're missing a lot on this list. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: think it would be really interesting if we heard from
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: some of our listeners on what they think about powerful words.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think some of these, like, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: at first glance, like it makes sense that there's like
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a newspaper, right, It makes sense that there's these because
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: we have those things in the Muggle world. But I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: think if you really like, this is a very interesting
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: topic because if you really step back and dive into
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: it deeper, you can really see just how important those
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: things were to the story. And without some of these things,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and he's spoken, and he's written words like the story
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: would have been drastically different in a lot of ways.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: M m yeah, yeah, and I mean we keep saying, oh, yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: that's just like the Muggle world, and I mean that's
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: fully intentional, because any good piece of fiction is going
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to take these things and it kind of becomes like
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: an allegory or a parallel of what we experience in
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: our world and almost like a commentary on it or
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: a cautionary tale and like where things could end up
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: if people don't proceed with caution and yeah, so it's
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: really interesting to see some of this stuff and kind
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: of what maybe the commentary.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Don't believe everything you read, do your research or here
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: yeah or here right, yeah.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Track down multiple sources and use your brain and read
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: between the lines. If it seems.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Outrageous, most cases.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: It's not true. Yeah m hm. Yeah. So that wraps
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: up the main discussion.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I'm okay. So for our rotating segment this episode, we
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: chose Homnum Revelue and yeah, so I'm gonna come up
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: with three clues about a specific character that I thought about,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and you guys have to try to guess who it is.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty obvious. I'm just going to try
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to keep it gender neutral. But yeah, so the clues
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: are that this character kept the dementors in Azkaban content.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: They are no stranger to involuntary confinement, and they aren't
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: exactly the life of the party, but they can tell
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: if someone is trying to crash it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Is this like an actual person or did you get
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a little like theoretical here?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's and it's an actual person. I thought it
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: was so obvious.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I can tell if someone's trying to crash it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, because I was thinking like the Ministry of magic,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: like in general, Like, I mean, my.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: First thought was serious, but I don't understand the last flu.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Is it? Like I don't like PARTI crouch.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: You're getting close, Junior.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking, like I'm really stuck on the keeping
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the dementor's content. I'm like, who would like have really
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: been getting their souls sucked? Like that's what I thought
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: of Artie Junior who likes to party.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't think about it as a
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: literal thing, like a literal party, just like someone who
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: sees through.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Man as a yes.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so okay, now I see why I was getting closer.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Kept the dementors and askaband content.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Because he would fill most of the cells in Askaban
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: at that time. So I was like, dementors are happy there.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: This is why I'm no longer even hard.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I swear. I thought it was like I tried others,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: but I thought they were like so obvious. So I
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to try to make it like
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: obvious but not so obvious. And I was I was,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I thought like you were. I thought, yeah, I thought
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: you were going to like right on the spot, like
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: you were just going to say, Matt I Moody, like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: my first clue initially initially was like he has an
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: eye for detail, and I was like, if I see
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: eye and then I see like you know. And then
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I said something about a trunk initially and I was like, no,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: this is going to be like too easy. So I
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: kind of like went that way. You guys guessed it. Yeah, nice,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: so nice. So on our last episode, we asked why
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: do you thing Dolores Armbridge can produce a patronis And
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: we did spend quite some time talking about it with
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of theories, and Carolyn says that she believes
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: she is good and doing what is right, and says
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I think it is because she absolutely she's absolutely convinced
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: she's a hero of the story. She wouldn't feel any
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: guilt or misgivings because she's right. I suspect righteousness is
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a pretty powerful and motivator. M hmm. Agreed, So Kelly
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: aka Gryffindoric twenty seven says, because she's pure evil and
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: takes joy in others suffering, which again we also discussed. Yeah, yea,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: so we got a few comments this time around, so nice. Yeah,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World Treasures said, wanting to comment about how Voldemort's
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: thoughts aren't pure so he can't produce a patronis I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: still think to that. I'd still like to think that
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: despite someone's evilness, they can still feel joy, and as skryvendorc.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Twenty seven said, it may be through their evilness. I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: personally also see the world people don't see themselves as
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the villain of their own narrative. It becomes very hard
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: to comprehend and put into practice when we see people
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: who act as quote evil by our standards or perspectives
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: or values, but to them, not matter how evil they
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: may act, in some ways, they may see themselves as
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: crusaders of goodness and yeah, and it's they go on saying, sorry,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: just thinking in more philosophical ways. But yeah, but again
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I think you know, they all agree on that like that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: You know, it's they're so convinced in their own little
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: like in their minds and their head set, like they
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: are you know, are they either doing it for the
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: greater good or they have such joy in doing these
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: things that to them it's it's good and you know.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Well.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Because it's like Baltimore like probably can't produce the patronis
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: because well, he thinks that what he's doing is right.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: He doesn't necessarily exxperience joy.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Does he really have any happy memory like happy memories,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, no.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Like he had a pretty crap childhood, so I don't
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: think he's got a whole lot of happy to pull from. Yeah,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: So I think that's probably the difference there. Where As
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Mbridge might have some m HM truly has some memories
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: she can pull from, Baldemort does not.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were struggling thinking Umbridge might have some. Imagine
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Baltimore like.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: When I think she gets like pure joy out of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: like the torture that she like, I could see, like
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about evil people, like I could
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: see maybe if any death eater could possibly get to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: a point of producing a patronis, like I could see
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: it being Bellatrix. I mean, obviously we talked a lot
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: about Balatrix, you know, versus Umbridge, and I think like
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Balatrix is a really good example of an evil person
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: who really enjoys doing evil things and gets joy out
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: of it, where I don't know if i'd even go
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: far as to say that, like like if Baltimore is
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: torturing somebody, is he torturing you because he's genuinely like
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: experiencing joy or wants the joy or gets a positive
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: emotion from it, or is he doing it as a
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: means to some kind of end like or to get
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: something or gain something. Whereas I feel like Balatrix is
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: one who's like, I'm gonna like Crucio you just because
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: it's fun to watch you writhe in pain.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I could even very much like in the
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: moment kind of person. Yeah, where Baltimore is more end goal.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: He's thinking long term and right in what this can
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: get me?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's not as impulsive as Bellatrix.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah interesting.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: So last, but definitely not least, we have Jerry, who
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: says I have been thinking about Dolores and her patronus
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: from the time I first read Deathly Hollows. I disliked
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: the fact that she had produced a Patonis, as it
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: went against my theory that to produce a really successful
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: patronis one one needed to be able to feel or
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: remember true joy or love. When I think of the
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: thoughts we learned that Harry used it that produce the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: effective stack pratonis in the presence of dementors that really
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: impact them, especially when they are attacking Series, Hermione and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: himself at the lake, and then in order of the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Phoenix attacking himself and Dudley. He's thinking about the people
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: he loves, and that makes the stack that successfully chases
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: off those determined dementors. So this has been a problem
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: for me for years, since I don't believe that Dolores
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: really loves anyone or anything except for herself. It's got
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: a point, and I don't want to believe that selfish
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: love like that will work as well. Not being able
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: to produce what I think of as true, pure joy.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: The best I have been able to come up with
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: is to assume that she really believes that she cares
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: about pure blood issues, and thus her work at the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: ministry to harass those that she believes stole wants and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: magic gives her enough joy of a sort to create
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: a patronis that provides her with some sort of protection
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: from the dementors. But this is only strong enough to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: work as long as the dementors are focused on other
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: victims like poor miss Catamol. If something had ever caused
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: the dementors to really decide to focus on Umbrage herself,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to believe what her tainted joy can
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: make a patron as strong enough to really get rid
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: of them. She also adds that we know that if
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the memory isn't powerful enough, the patronus isn't as strong.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: We usually think of non corporeal and corporeal as if
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: they were just two different things. But I like to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: think there is a spectrum from a very weak wisp
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: to a stack at the Lake I Prisoner of Azkaban
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: that chased away a large number of dementors. So my
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: theory is that Umbrage can make the weakest of the corporeal.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Interesting well, and I think too we can't you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: take the movie as like Gospel here in terms of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: like but it would actually look like if she was
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: you know, standing in front of us, So it could
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: also be too, Like I know we talked about like
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: why might like the Death Theater specifically, you know, not
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: be able to form patronas'es And could part of that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: be because they just don't have her need to because
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: their dementors are pretty much sided with them, so like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: why would they even need to do that? And I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: think like Dolores is like slightly different, right because she's
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: not a Death Theater and I think it's very likely
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like the dementors could turn on her even if she's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: still evil, she's still like she's in this weird gray area.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: But I still had the need, so I was able
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: to develop it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Right, But maybe it's not as strong because like she's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: like Jerry said, I think, right, the patronas that Harry produces,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: like at the Lake is very different because it's a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: it's a moment of dire need and it needs to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: be that strong. But if she just is like producing
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: this patron to kind of just you know, pace back
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and forth to keep the dementors at bay that aren't
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: really a threat to her. Does it need to be
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: as like actually strong to like take out a room
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: of dementors versus it just being like a show of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: power maybe a little bit true, or her like exerting
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: some kind of control. Well, you know, we talked a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: lot about how she likes to be in control, and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: it kind of it exerted some control over the dementors
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  Speaker 1: in that moment, so.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't controlling her emotions, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And could it also be like these the the
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  Speaker 2: extension of these patronises or the you know, like like
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  Speaker 2: Jerry said, like it could be something as big as
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  Speaker 2: the stag or just a little cad is they probably
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  Speaker 2: the more joyful and the more pure the memory is
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  Speaker 2: or your thought is or whatever it is, really allows
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  Speaker 2: you to fill you in and to cast it. Is
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  Speaker 2: it probably like proportional to the size, like to the
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  Speaker 2: size of your petronas as well, because Harry is one
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  Speaker 2: of the bigger ones, for sure, Like could that also
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  Speaker 2: have to do with that, like the smaller it is?
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  Speaker 2: Not sure, it doesn't mean that the smaller it is,
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  Speaker 2: the more evil you are, the less pure you are.
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  Speaker 2: But it could be like maybe these these moments are enhanced,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, and make a patronus much bigger than
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  Speaker 2: the normal standard. It's it's a very it's it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like this. Yeah, there's no like you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: confirmation on what makes a patronus stronger than others and
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  Speaker 2: what you know, really who is what? What? What are
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  Speaker 2: the depths of you know, let's say quote evilness that
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  Speaker 2: you know you can not cast patronis you know, like
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  Speaker 2: what is I still want to believe that Umbridge did
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  Speaker 2: have that little, you know, slight bit of humanity in
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  Speaker 2: her and she had something that was still pure and
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  Speaker 2: and and something that really brought her joy, probably from
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  Speaker 2: her childhood. I still believe that to a certain extent
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  Speaker 2: extent because it it feels like it doesn't contradict like
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  Speaker 2: Jerry said, like she always had this image of petronas
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  Speaker 2: as being this pure thing, and it kind of like
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  Speaker 2: taints it a little bit to think that someone as
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  Speaker 2: evil as Umbridge can cast it which it is. It
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  Speaker 2: is surprising when you see it, when you read about it, and
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  Speaker 2: when you see it. So yeah, interesting, yeah, good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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