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Needles & Nerve: How Acupuncture Restores Body, Mind & Beauty with Kalpesh Patel of On Point Acupuncture · The Diva Details

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  Welcome to the Diva Details Welcome to the Diva Details.
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  Let's dive in with Diva Mia and Diva Cat.
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  Well hello diva cat oh i'm under the weather sometimes the weather gets to us
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  and it's crazy outside too no we just have to keep going we just keep going
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  well today we have an amazing.
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  Acupuncturist he's actually my acupuncturist i must say he's fantastic and i've
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  been to a lot of acupuncturists you know me i've been in different places and
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  different locations today we're going to interview Kalpesh Patel,
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  and he's the owner of On Point Acupuncture in Texas.
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  Oh, wow. He has got an amazing philosophy to the way he does acupuncture.
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  And he also is a Chinese herbalist, so he can do it. He prescribes herbal medicines from Chinese medicine.
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  So without further ado, because he's amazing, and I think you want to hear straight
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  from him, I want to introduce Kalpesh. Kalpesh, how are you doing today?
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  Hello. Thanks for having me, Mia. I appreciate you having me on.
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  I'm excited to be here. Well, thanks for being here. It's so great to have you on.
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  I know we've been talking a lot on the podcast about different types of alternative medicine.
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  I know when I had an issue with my gallbladder, you really helped me out there
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  where they wanted to take it out.
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  And you said there was possibilities of other solutions.
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  You said I had to choose and I made the choice of going alternative.
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  So there's things that people are doing now that are alternative medicines.
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  Sometimes people do both.
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  They do alternative and conventional medicine at the same time.
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  But I wanted to go over first how you got into acupuncture, what your background
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  is, and why you chose acupuncture in Chinese medicine.
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  Anyway, culturally, the stereotypes as far as my background go towards more
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  of a doctor, lawyer, or engineer.
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  Let's just say I didn't go down that path. My last name is associated with Hotel
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  Motel more so than anything else in terms of business.
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  And so I didn't go down that path either. And so my journey started off in the
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  realm of finance in undergrad at Ohio State.
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  And as I was studying and partying and, let's just say, prior to all of that
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  exact time frame, I was doing a lot of like bodyweight exercises and then doing
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  certain free weights and heavy lifting when I was in high school.
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  And leading up to when I got into college, in high school, I was able to bench
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  275 and squat 345 when I was 17 years old.
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  And so the amount of weight compared to my body weight was a lot greater for
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  my joints to keep up with.
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  And so when I got into college and kind of spent long hours sort of studying
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  or partying and just not taking care of myself, as like most college students
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  tend to do with the spectrum they tend to keep, my joints started to flare up
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  as far as the inflammation and pain.
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  And so I would go through periods of time where I had so much an intense flare
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  up that I had to stop lifting for a while.
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  And it led me to then focus on like a little bit of a break in recovery time.
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  And I sought out some Western providers to get relief from my pain.
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  But none of them gave me much feedback and context to why I was having the inflammation,
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  other than the fact that I can take these pills and that it would help calm
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  said inflammation. And so to me, it was kind of a bandaid approach.
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  And I'm glad I had that mindset going into it and not getting further into taking
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  a course of pills that I relied on eventually.
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  But to me, it was kind of balancing out between relief and needing to do what I need to do.
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  So that's kind of the struggle that I was presented with prior to me going to
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  an acupuncturist. But honestly, on the way to working out, I came across a gymnast
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  and this gymnast opened my eyes to his acupuncturist and honestly,
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  a lot of things in terms of what he was doing.
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  And so I saw his acupuncturist and that was a game changer for me.
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  I had gone to see several Western doctors previously and honestly got the runaround,
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  in my opinion. and I was told that I would get better or given the confidence
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  and reassurance that I would get better.
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  But all it meant was me taking pills that eventually I would need more and more
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  of as I kept trying to get back to the exercise I was missing out on.
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  And so the gymnast kind of resonated with me in relation to his recommendation.
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  It basically pointed me towards a modality that I saw a full recovery considering
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  how physically, you know, fit this person was.
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  It gave me a sign of confidence in relation to a full recovery compared to just
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  managing pain and living within that limited, I should say, physical activity.
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  So that's kind of how I got into acupuncture.
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  I was first a patient, and it kind of inspired me to then go down this career
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  path as my undergrad finance degree did not pan out for me at the time.
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  So that's kind of what led me to become an acupuncturist. So you went into it
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  basically because you saw that it worked for you and you got some really good benefits out of it.
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  And it kept you out of traditional types of medicine to do that.
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  Yeah, I was really fearful of taking steroid shots and surgical procedures because
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  I knew that it can sometimes keep going as far as the necessity for continuing to get pain relief.
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  But I was just grateful the fact that I found it at a time that I could turn
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  things around without having to suffer for such a long period that some of my
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  patients, unfortunately, had to go through.
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  So that was kind of a really big blessing to have come around within a few years of dealing with that.
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  Although it felt like an eternity, the two and a half years that I was dealing
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  with this and the severity of it made me very kind of depressed in my overall
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  outlook. And honestly, acupuncture has been amazing at even treating my depression,
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  just to kind of put it more out there as far as what I was dealing with at the time.
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  Yeah. And I know that when I just started with you not too long ago,
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  but you quickly became one of my trusted advisors with help because I have been
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  through a bunch of acupuncturists.
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  And you take more of a holistic approach
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  to a person than most of the acupuncturists I've been to in the past.
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  Thank you. there it felt more like they were
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  just trying to treat the symptoms almost like they were a
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  combination between eastern and western they're like what is
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  your problem let's address that problem whereas this could be a full system
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  flow problem you can have problems with your liver is affecting this and this
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  and it was just interesting how you take more of a global look at a person and
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  then the symptoms are treated but you treat the problem first not just the symptoms
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  so that's one of the things that,
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  where did you come up with this approach or is that traditional acupuncture
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  and I've just been back to a bunch of bad after your punctures?
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  So to me, in my experience of being an intern in clinic, we are taught in the
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  beginning to focus on main complaint.
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  And so that's sometimes what practitioners run with the whole way,
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  because that's their first way of being taught.
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  Now, don't get me wrong, we learn the foundations of how things interact and
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  how things can be treated holistically.
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  But when you get down to a clinical as an intern perspective,
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  you're focusing on the main complaint that that person is coming in with and
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  then structuring their diagnosis based off of that complaint.
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  So if you took account for everything they're going on with them,
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  then you can kind of format the diagnosis a little bit more tailored to that
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  specific issue compared to a generalization of the whole system.
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  And so what I learned going through that process and then seeing patients in
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  the outside world of being professional, a provider,
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  is that people will come in with issues, but then they would only focus on that
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  what was bothering them and not the several other things.
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  That, in my opinion, are directly related to their root issue.
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  So to me, I mentally have a lot of analogies or flashbacks to things that I've
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  experienced in the past. So I'm going to lead with some of these examples.
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  To me, it comes to the mindset of like a law and order or any type of court
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  case type of scene where you're trying to explain to the patient,
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  look, this is a symptom that is caused by this issue.
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  Now, let me show you what else is involved with this system,
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  because basically exhibit A, B, C, D are also pointing to your root issue.
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  If you're suffering with these other things, they might not be bothering you
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  to, that's what you came in for, but you're dealing with all these other issues
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  as well as the main issue.
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  But to me, if we focused on the root, all of these issues start to go away.
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  Yes, you might have that problem A or condition A is your main focus,
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  but if we can go through this properly,
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  meaning build your body up, accelerate the healing, and then go in a cruise
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  control kind of format of maintaining that momentum, then we can heal up everything else.
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  We'll use our main issue as like the main goal, but we got to crush it.
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  Not just, okay, we can manage it, see you every few weeks, whenever you have
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  a flare up, please consider coming back in.
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  No, no, no. We need to stay ahead of it.
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  And that way we can put it out before it rages, like in terms of like a fire, for example.
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  I've kind of used this example as far as like triggers, kind of like,
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  think of like wildfires, how the most inopportune factors come together, and then it's a problem.
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  Most of the times of the year, it's not all those, you know,
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  situations come together to create that problem, meaning that heat,
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  which then can dry. And then you got a kind of a robust or easy to combust fuel
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  source in terms of like wildfires in general.
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  But to the body, if a person is running hotter internally, and then their body is drying.
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  Then that can trigger whether it's fevers to hot flashes or night sweats doesn't
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  allow the body to cool and protect their system when we're talking about temperature regulation.
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  So just like I give the analogy about wildfires, to me, that's like a reference
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  to a hot flash for a female.
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  It's like when you're warm for so long, and then you get dried out,
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  and then you get an intense exposure to heat, like going out on a day like in
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  August, that can just set you off, you know, in a way that is kind of like the
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  example of the wildfire.
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  So that's kind of how I got into this whole or bigger holistic kind of format
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  than some of my other counterparts is like people are missing out on all the
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  other things that they can treat along the way while you're addressing your main issue.
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  That, to me, was kind of my own way of advocating for their own health.
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  Because to me, it was the way I was operating for my own treatments that I was providing myself.
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  If I have this issue, and, for example, if lack of blood flow is what's causing
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  this shoulder to keep bothering me, but then I have a little bit of anxiety,
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  I have a little bit of ADD, I have cold hands and feet, which is a classic poor circulation sign.
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  If I want to treat all those, but also make sure that this is still good,
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  keep getting this built up to where it's not an issue at all,
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  and then everything else takes care of it, too.
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  If that helps, but. That was definitely one of the things I noticed about you
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  is that you even addressed my sleep.
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  You addressed other things related to my problem and other organs that will
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  be impacted by my problem.
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  The acupuncturists I've been to in the past felt like they were just a Chinese
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  version of a traditional doctor.
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  I felt like what they've done is, because traditional doctors don't really treat
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  the problem either. They just treat the symptoms typically.
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  Oh, oh, you've got a headache, let me give you some fever in.
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  Oh, you've got, you know, a fever, we'll get this.
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  You know, you got pain, let's put a thyroid injection in your knee.
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  But that doesn't fix the knee, right?
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  And then surgeons try to fix it, but their way of doing it is to chop it out.
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  But you were like, okay, so let's see what's the root cause of the problem.
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  Whereas a lot of people, I think they actually say, let's just treat individual
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  symptom as it comes along. And I didn't want that.
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  I wanted to actually heal myself, like fully heal.
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  So you also studied in, is that right?
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  Yes, I got to study back in 2013 in China. And so I got to go to Beijing for
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  a week as far as our group.
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  And then we spent about three and a half weeks in a city called Chengdu.
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  If anyone's familiar with China, if you put a map of the U.S.
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  Literally over China, it's exactly where Dallas is located.
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  It's the southern center and it's basically a city that has about 10 million
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  people. And we got the opportunity to basically stay at a hotel right next to
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  this brand new hospital facility that they were building.
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  And if you get the layout of the whole complex, there's like real buildings,
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  maybe one or two of them are completely finished.
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  But where I was at, it was just all these high rise buildings of these,
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  this hospital that was just being built.
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  And we got to go to the newest and the biggest section of it and got to study there.
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  So it was a state of the art facility. We got to see traditional Chinese medicine
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  integrated in a hospital setting, which is quite unique.
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  The best of both worlds, in my opinion, were being offered to those patients.
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  And so they would go into the emergency room like normal everyday situations
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  can arise like in the U.S.
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  But here's the caveat is they get the emergency care like we normally do here,
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  but then they flip them over to holistic care literally within the transition of them getting better.
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  And you have the best of both worlds or the urgent, you know,
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  emergency situation where people are a lot more life or death.
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  But then as soon as they transition over from that crisis mode,
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  they can then go into the more holistic, more natural, you know,
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  methods to keep them from.
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  Coming back to that ER, which some people can be, you know, repeat visitors sometimes.
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  And so what I saw was that there was a lot of big, there's a big emphasis on herbal medicine.
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  And so you would see herbal pharmacies on different floors of this hospital.
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  The biggest one they had was on the ground floor and it was massive.
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  You would see people getting bags of herbs if they were doing it on their own
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  at home or just pre-made juice packets.
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  But we got to go back there and it was completely different than what I've ever seen.
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  Normally, we would see jars of herbs that were just a bulk kind of thing where
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  you can get gloves and go and get them usually.
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  That's usually what we saw at
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  our schools in Austin and wherever I saw in Ohio or anywhere in the U.S.
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  But there, they had them prepackaged by dosage. And so it was an extra layer
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  of packaging, but it allowed for a cleaner, more sterilized way of performing
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  herbal medicine in a hospital setting.
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  So they would boil these packages up.
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  And so patients would be leaving with their medicines versus having to go to a pharmacy sometimes.
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  And so that was pretty cool from my perspective. I got sick one time when I was in China.
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  And basically for a total cost of 22 bucks, I got to see a specialist.
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  I got my herbal medicine.
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  And that was basically all I needed. And it was, like I said, $22. Yeah.
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  And did it work? Did it work? It was amazing. It was good. It was really amazing.
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  I was thankful that I got to that. I was so integrated with my care there because
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  I was actually studying by the doctors we were observing for that same issue that I had.
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  But we would all get to break up into different groups while we were there and
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  see different departments.
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  And I love that because of the cohesive group that we had. We got to basically divide and conquer.
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  We got to see all these different ways of healing, of being performed in different
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  departments. But then we got to
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  basically kick back at night and relax and honestly share our experiences.
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  So that was kind of the cool part about our trip. We had such a cohesive group
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  and an amazing doctor with us.
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  We got to hang out with him and have drinks with him at times or whenever the
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  setting was ripe for that.
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  We got to learn a lot more that way. It was basically acupuncture and Chinese
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  medicine in its unrestricted form.
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  Like I had, I didn't get a chance to observe a surgical procedure,
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  but I know of a friend that I met from the Houston school.
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  She got to scrub in on an open heart surgery procedure. That's mind blowing
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  to me considering I got to see what I got to see in China.
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  But to see that in a ER westernized setting, meaning an OR room is quite amazing.
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  And honestly, if you ever get bored, check out on YouTube, acupuncture anesthesia.
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  You'll see so many video clips of patients getting surgery done.
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  But it's the most amazing thing that you can share to a newbie,
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  you know, person that's thinking about acupuncture.
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  They're like, oh, some people are like, oh, can that help treat my pain? My pain is more severe.
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  And I'm like, have you seen how they used it as a general anesthesia?
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  And these people are, you know, perfectly calm and collected while they're getting cut open.
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  So anyway, that's kind of been, yeah. That is so crazy. I mean,
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  I can't even imagine trying to
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  put that over in the United States because they'd be like, there's no way.
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  So when you were there, it sounds like the acupuncturists were on the same level
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  as the medical doctors as far as respect from the community goes.
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  And it was just assumed that you would go with traditional and conventional medicine, right?
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  Agreed. And so you do have that ER, westernized, take a pill for this emergency
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  situation kind of issue.
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  But it was nicely integrated with all these other holistic providers.
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  And so the cool thing that I learned just understanding the East Asian providers
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  that come here is that they are taught the skill set to do what I am able to
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  do here in my practice, but they are taught in a westernized setting.
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  So they're in a Western hospital, basically, where they have to see a certain
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  amount of patients. And so they see dozens of patients in a morning.
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  And so they're basically a Eastern provider, but have been trained in a Westernized
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  high turnaround approach. So that's kind of unfortunately what maybe you have
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  experienced in the past is that these providers are amazing in skill set.
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  Don't get me wrong. They have abilities, in my opinion, that sometimes a lot
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  of providers here might not be able to have seen in terms of experience.
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  But they are so limited on their communication skills sometimes that they lack,
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  one, the ability to communicate to that patient directly, but also sometimes
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  they just lack the urgency and focus to make that connection, first off.
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  Which I feel like is lacking in this current system, but also just explain and
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  reinforce the process of what is needing to be addressed.
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  I think that's, in my opinion, why I have excelled in my practice in ways,
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  just with my experience working with you, is that what you shared earlier is
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  kind of, you know, you can talk about what symptoms you're dealing with with
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  a patient, but if you don't want to educate and kind of reference the triggers
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  and the system involved,
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  then it's hard to understand why all this other stuff is happening in your life,
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  like other symptoms that might be affecting you in certain ways.
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  And so to me, it's like, I'd rather put the whole picture to the patient and
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  present it to the where like, look, if we can cross this finish line to treat,
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  you know, condition A, we can treat all these other things and free you from, you know, the limited.
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  I guess all the life that you've been dealing with. And so that's kind of,
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  I don't know, that's been growth as a practitioner.
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  I think the problem is not just the practitioners.
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  I think that's kind of how we as people expect doctors to be,
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  even acupatrists, even chiropractors. I've got, you know, I got a headache.
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  Can you pop my neck or my low back hurts? Can you pop my back?
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  But I don't think a lot of practitioners, I go to a chiropractor as well that
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  looks at the whole body and, you know, looks at what herbs you're taking,
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  how your sleep is, how your stress levels are, all of that stuff,
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  because it impacts everything.
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  And I don't think that in medicine today and conventional medicine,
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  as they call it, I don't think that they look at the whole body at all.
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  It's more of a surgical, let me chop this off. Let me take this out.
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  Let me fix, let me give you a pill to fix something.
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  And they don't look at the whole body. But going back to your,
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  you know, discussion about the herbs and the, in the room.
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  So it sounds like that they've like been able to do enough studies in China
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  to figure out what herbs at what percentage rates, et cetera,
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  are good based off maybe body mass or whatnot.
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  But do you see that as.
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  You know, going forward, is that something you see could come to the United States?
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  Because I know a lot of the herbs, the problem with the U.S.
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  Is we've got the pharmaceuticals companies that are such powerhouses.
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  And a lot of the herbs are based off of, the pharmaceuticals are based off the
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  herbs out there already.
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  They just turn them into chemicals and make them twice as potent.
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  But do you ever see that happening here in the U.S.? Or is it,
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  are things changing in the right direction?
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  What are your thoughts? So things have made steps towards that change in this
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  country, but it's been small steps forward and it's been stagnant.
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  Let's say I'm very hesitant to make that answer.
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  In all honesty, my mindset is where I hope there's a subsection in our,
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  you know, format of medicine that adopts this a little bit more.
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  But I find it really challenging in my mind to see our entire system adopted
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  as a whole because of big pharma, you know. Gotcha.
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  So current conventional medicine does not go well with alternative medicine.
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  And I think a big part of it is the fact that there's the insurance doesn't
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  pay for it. It's the cost. It's the cost.
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  And everything seems to be out of pocket. But do you see at all traditional
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  medicine making any inroads into like the conventional medicine in the United
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  States so that things are changing in any way?
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  I think the biggest steps will be taken once there's a wider adoption with insurance plans.
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  To me, there's many different components to this and variables involved.
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  But if, like you highlighted, the cost is the biggest barrier.
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  And so if patients are able to have insurance benefits that cover acupuncture,
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  then you're going to obviously eliminate that barrier or reduce it dramatically.
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  And that's kind of why I'm relatively in this area. There's a lot of companies
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  that are, you know, kind of in the DFW airport radius. And so they tend to offer
• 21:28
  a lot of these plans that cover acupuncture.
• 21:30
  But I feel like as a national level, once we have a greater adoption in our
• 21:33
  insurance benefits for acupuncture, then I see a much wider adoption of it for the patient access.
• 21:40
  But I do believe that the biggest piece of this barrier is honestly MDs.
• 21:47
  And so if our profession was to make a better inroad with that particular group,
• 21:52
  then I think the gap would be closed very quickly.
• 21:54
  But the biggest barrier, in my opinion, from us being able to do that is Zonis
• 21:58
  and Big Pharma, in my opinion, dictates.
• 22:01
  Yeah, I think Big Pharma has really hindered progress. I agree.
• 22:06
  Yeah, they've created. Well, they've been around for a long time, the pharmaceutical.
• 22:10
  But same as acupuncture, they've been around for thousands, thousands of years.
• 22:13
  But the thing is to introducing to that type of medicine to the new world is
• 22:20
  kind of costs a lot. It does. And people don't.
• 22:23
  Like I said, people will worry about what to put on the table first.
• 22:27
  People will just go take the pain medication.
• 22:30
  So your acupuncture, is it you including your cupping, your massage,
• 22:35
  herbal medication, your facial?
• 22:37
  Do you get all of that in your service? Like facial acupuncture.
• 22:40
  So those are all separate services relatively.
• 22:43
  So the only combination of what you listed would be if someone comes in for
• 22:48
  acupuncture, I can do the herbal consultation overlapping the acupuncture because
• 22:52
  I'm already going through the time analysis,
• 22:55
  which gives me kind of a deeper dive on what needs to be addressed holistically.
• 22:59
  So the herbal medicine can easily overlap with the acupuncture during the visit.
• 23:02
  The cupping can, as a modality, be mixed in with the acupuncture in relation
• 23:06
  to, you know, applying it on the same person at the same exact appointment.
• 23:10
  Now, as far as incorporating all of what you said, kind of in a combination
• 23:14
  of all compilation, as I say, then that's very difficult to do.
• 23:18
  Like I've had a patient come in and I do, you know, a body treatment and then
• 23:22
  I can add the facial call, you know, in that same visit as my facial rejuvenation treatment.
• 23:28
  But that's kind of the hybrid of that.
• 23:30
  I try to balance their system first before I put all these points in their face
• 23:34
  because that can trigger certain things if we don't approach it correctly.
• 23:38
  Like people that are more prone to migraines. If you're getting facial rejuvenation
• 23:42
  with acupuncture, then it can sometimes cause a little bit more of a trigger
• 23:47
  for headaches because of the nature of all that concentration of energy on the head.
• 23:51
  And so headaches from a TCM perspective or a buildup of heat in the body, that basically rises.
• 23:57
  Heat rises in general, but it will rise to the head and trigger headaches for
• 24:01
  that person. And so we don't want to condense more energy in an area that it's
• 24:06
  already kind of built up to such a degree like traffic would be like an example.
• 24:11
  So do you do like the acupuncture and the helping with menopause?
• 24:15
  Yes. That's huge. Yes, it is. So like detox your body?
• 24:19
  So acupuncture can help whether it's balancing your hormones and or helping
• 24:23
  your body detox a little bit better.
• 24:26
  It just stimulates the nerve pathways that connect to these organ systems that
• 24:30
  are their main role is to help assist in detoxing or helping rejuvenating certain effects on the body.
• 24:35
  But like one example would be that if you have lots of stress and then that
• 24:40
  stress can cause tension in the shoulders and also cause issues with your gut.
• 24:45
  And so if we focus on points that target the liver or help influence the liver
• 24:51
  in its relaxation and kind of decompression of tension that can build up.
• 24:55
  Then it can relax the intestines. It can relax the shoulders.
• 24:58
  It can release kind of all the other channels and nerve connections that are
• 25:03
  integrated with that system.
• 25:04
  And so it's like, if you take the most tense person in a room or a family combination
• 25:09
  or at a meeting and you were able to deregulate and calm, to me,
• 25:14
  that would allow the other individuals to feed off of that energy and kind of resilience.
• 25:18
  It's kind of how your ecosystem of organs works. If one is overwhelmed and over
• 25:23
  having to compensate for other organs that are not keeping up,
• 25:26
  if you support the ones that are overworking and then help assist the ones that are underperforming,
• 25:32
  that's how we create balance kind of in the body is just kind of assisting all the different pieces.
• 25:37
  He has been working on my liver he's he worked on
• 25:40
  my gallbladder i went to him when i had that
• 25:43
  gallbladder problem and they tried to take out what they wanted to take
• 25:46
  out my gallbladder i talked to him on the phone before i actually checked myself
• 25:49
  out of the hospital just to make sure there was something he could do to help
• 25:53
  and what we did is i went to him every day or was it two weeks yeah it was about
• 25:57
  two weeks every day well monday through friday yeah for two weeks yeah i've
• 26:00
  got some herbs some some gallbladder herbs and i took those religiously.
• 26:06
  And check, I think within four days, all the tightness in my side was gone.
• 26:11
  I did also diet. I only ate grapefruit for two weeks because I really couldn't
• 26:17
  eat anything because I'd throw up. You're an amazing patient.
• 26:20
  You go way beyond, in my opinion, what most patients would do,
• 26:24
  even if I kind of was able to, how to put this, coach them up and lead them
• 26:29
  to battle in a way that they are just ready to fight whatever they had going
• 26:32
  on. But you were ready. You came armed.
• 26:34
  And just ready to, you know, go at it. But that to me was the precursor for
• 26:38
  offering even an approach going forward.
• 26:41
  So to me, it's like, things are possible in the, you know, the traditional realm.
• 26:45
  But is that patient able to commit and or execute?
• 26:48
  To me, you fit those categories quite well. So to me, when a person like yourself
• 26:54
  had gone through that mortgage situation, and you asked, you know,
• 26:57
  as a possibility, to me, it's like, okay, I know that it's possible with your
• 27:01
  work ethic and your dedication.
• 27:03
  And so we just had to execute. And I'm grateful that you were able to do that.
• 27:07
  And that's what helps, you know, make all the difference.
• 27:09
  Yeah, I think if I'm backed into a corner, I come out like fighting.
• 27:13
  You can put me in any corner, I'll come out fighting.
• 27:16
  So you were talking a little bit about facial rejuvenation. What is that? And what is that for?
• 27:21
  Yeah, so facial rejuvenation with acupuncture is basically an acupuncture treatment
• 27:24
  that also targets either specific points along the head that basically can tap
• 27:30
  into different channels that run to different areas of the face.
• 27:33
  For example, as I'm kind of gliding my fingers over, like for example,
• 27:37
  if you put a point here, it can also affect this nerve channel that runs all
• 27:42
  along the side of the face.
• 27:43
  But this is not just the only area that it flows.
• 27:45
  It also goes here and then it also goes to the eye.
• 27:49
  This channel also connects to another one that goes through
• 27:52
  here so if we target just here we
• 27:55
  are targeting this much of the forehead in
• 27:58
  combination with that so just to give you a perspective we might put like 15
• 28:03
  to 25 points overall on the face some might be more specifically guided towards
• 28:08
  for example i started to notice my 11 lines here and i i plan to do a series
• 28:12
  to show before and afters as i just recently discovered that i have developed
• 28:16
  them quite well unfortunately.
• 28:18
  So facial rejuvenation, we target specific areas like a person had might have
• 28:22
  laugh lines that they feel conscious about. So we can target that specifically.
• 28:27
  And if not, if there's no major areas of concern, like, for example,
• 28:30
  along here, just to give you an idea, we can just do global targeting points
• 28:35
  that get the whole area as a preventative measure.
• 28:38
  So the benefits of facial rejuvenation with acupuncture is that it guides blood flow.
• 28:43
  It stimulates the fibroblast, which creates collagen production. it
• 28:46
  can firm tighten and tone because of that increased blood flow to
• 28:49
  the face and so it's like a buffet of nutrients
• 28:52
  for your skin and so as it force feeds
• 28:55
  all this you know building blocks into the tissue
• 28:58
  it helps it heal at such a faster pace so
• 29:01
  it allows you to rejuvenate compared to it just getting quote-unquote
• 29:05
  dry or flaky yeah so the 11 lines can be pretty common on people but i plan
• 29:10
  on focusing on a before and after kind of sequence in the next coming weeks
• 29:14
  on my tree mind because I didn't see as much of an issue up until just yesterday
• 29:18
  as I was looking at different aspects of my face and I just noticed it.
• 29:22
  But when people come in and have concerns about specific areas of their face,
• 29:27
  we target that area on top of focusing on the different strategic points that we can put.
• 29:33
  But here's the other aspect of what we do, at least what I do,
• 29:36
  is not only do we target areas of what we see, but we can also look at the imbalances
• 29:41
  internally and then kind of
• 29:43
  focus on that as an internal way of rejuvenating you from the inside out.
• 29:48
  The whole phrase, beauty comes from within, that's kind of that angle.
• 29:53
  It's like, if you're focused on certain aspects of why your face doesn't look as youthful,
• 29:59
  to me, that's partly based on the internal imbalances that's going on,
• 30:03
  because different parts of your face do connect to different organ systems.
• 30:08
  And so that's just one way of understanding what's going on.
• 30:11
  And there's this whole aspect of facial diagnosis.
• 30:16
  That I would love to get more familiar with. I have been wanting to dive into
• 30:21
  that a little bit more in detail.
• 30:22
  I'm very fortunate with this training to understand the tongue very well,
• 30:26
  but I want to learn the face because literally you can just read people's faces
• 30:29
  without asking their permission.
• 30:31
  Normally in my clinical experience, I'd have to ask or ask for them to stick out their tongue.
• 30:35
  But if you can read someone's face and understand their imbalances,
• 30:39
  then I feel like I can level up my understanding of people prior to ever me
• 30:45
  evaluating them. professionally.
• 30:47
  So I do like the anti-aging approach because I'm in my 50s.
• 30:51
  Diva Cat here is one for women our age.
• 30:55
  Besides fixing organs and autoimmune problems and things like that,
• 30:59
  it is something that you want to look as young as you can for as long as you can.
• 31:03
  So Diva Cat said it's like an alternative to Botox. It's kind of nice because
• 31:08
  I have, I don't have an 11, but I have the number one.
• 31:11
  I just have one on the right side. So I think I'm going to have to talk to you
• 31:14
  about getting that fixed too.
• 31:16
  I really drive me nuts there. No, no, we could definitely do that.
• 31:21
  But as far as like kind of the rejuvenating effect that you get,
• 31:24
  I would have to also add that most people knock out during the visit.
• 31:28
  It's so relaxing. So you can get like your acu-nap.
• 31:31
  You can get your face kind of rejuvenated with extra blood flow and nutrients
• 31:35
  to help bring that shine and kind of glow back.
• 31:38
  But then you also improve your sleep and digestion
• 31:41
  and mood and aches and pains in combination of getting
• 31:45
  you know your accurate your acufacial basically and so that's
• 31:48
  kind of in my opinion why people would maybe want to gravitate towards that
• 31:52
  more so than putting poison you know in different parts of the face to help
• 31:57
  plump so yeah yeah yeah yeah botox and and the thing is is the Botox is kind
• 32:04
  of like modern medicine.
• 32:06
  It's just a temporary fix because what happens over time, it actually starts
• 32:09
  to break down the muscle in your face.
• 32:11
  So then you have Botox face as you get older where it sags more than it would
• 32:15
  have had you not done anything.
• 32:17
  So you have to be careful with the Botox because it's not a long-term solution.
• 32:21
  It's a quick fix, but long-term, your face is going to sag more than if you'd
• 32:25
  done nothing because you need the muscle and the fat in your face and Botox kind of destroys that.
• 32:30
  It destroys the muscle for sure. so people don't
• 32:32
  realize the damage that Botox is actually doing and I
• 32:35
  did some research on it and there's I mean there's some
• 32:38
  people that they are going to have to have you know plastic surgery
• 32:41
  on their faces and fat filler is probably their own fat in order to fix it yeah
• 32:46
  well that was a eventually right you're gonna have to get the plastic surgery
• 32:50
  up not not everybody so long not everybody Botox for sure is a cause yeah cause
• 32:55
  for a lot of plastic surgery so people People don't realize that the Botox industry
• 32:59
  is actually feeding the plastic surgeons, too.
• 33:02
  I think that's why a lot of med spas are built right into the plastic surgery places.
• 33:07
  Agreed. They basically just once you get into their protocols,
• 33:10
  it hands you off to the next and more serious stage. It's just a matter of time.
• 33:15
  That is the inverse. It's the complete inverse of how the holistic world operates.
• 33:23
  It's like if, for example, my esthetician does facial cupping.
• 33:27
  And so if you get come in and do facial cupping, you can get like that blood
• 33:32
  flow that can help smooth and firm, tighten and tone.
• 33:35
  But you're activating all these nerve channels that are on the face that connect
• 33:38
  to so many other parts of your body.
• 33:40
  So it's like you can help heal and
• 33:43
  rejuvenate your overall health and knock
• 33:47
  out and get an amazing nap and then you got your facial on
• 33:49
  top of it compared to you sacrifice all of your health just to look better here
• 33:55
  temporarily and then this starts to get worse and worse and you need more and
• 33:59
  more of the botox so that's such a backwards approach in my opinion what do
• 34:02
  you think yeah and there's people that some of the botox too there's been some
• 34:06
  poisoning lately some of the batches have been bad.
• 34:09
  You've got to be careful with what you're injecting into your body because you
• 34:12
  could cause real problems.
• 34:14
  We talked a little bit about facial rejuvenation. We talked a little bit about
• 34:18
  helping with autoimmune and organs.
• 34:20
  What other areas? I know you also work with children that have acne issues.
• 34:26
  So when I get a lot of kids that come in and I have, in my opinion.
• 34:31
  Geared part of my practice specifically towards them because I,
• 34:35
  growing up, had a lot of traumatic experiences getting care in general.
• 34:39
  But I feel for the kiddos that had acne and they're struggling to get rid of it.
• 34:44
  I had acne in my temples pretty bad. I have actually a lot of starring here.
• 34:48
  I'm hoping to try to focus on in the near future.
• 34:51
  But to me, whether it's acne or like a focus or ADHD symptoms,
• 34:56
  we get kids coming in with pain.
• 34:58
  But here's my approach with kids. I have learned that if you.
• 35:03
  Kind of identify to them that they are the decision maker in that room because they are the patient.
• 35:09
  Trust builds a lot quicker. I try to explain to that person,
• 35:13
  that patient, that kiddo, that whatever they say is basically the ultimate decision.
• 35:17
  I will, you know, go based off of in terms of what I'm going to do.
• 35:21
  And I appreciate and I thank the parents for bringing them and I tell the kids that same thing.
• 35:26
  But I'm like, if you don't want me to do something, you just tell me and I will honor that.
• 35:31
  And so when I lead with that, but also tell them that I'm going to keep explaining
• 35:35
  to you other options that I have to help you, and you've got to decide at some
• 35:40
  point. If not, I'm going to keep talking.
• 35:42
  I'm going to keep giving you more options until you basically get me to shut up.
• 35:45
  And so that's kind of how I comically kind of explain to kids that they are
• 35:49
  in charge, but my goal is there to help them. But I can only help them if I earn their trust.
• 35:54
  And so I'm going to share things that can help them, but I only am sharing this
• 35:58
  because I know it's going to be comfortable.
• 35:59
  I know it's going to give them benefit and that they will thankfully like me
• 36:03
  at the end of all this because they got better and they had a great experience.
• 36:07
  I myself had traumatic experiences. So to me, that's guided me on my approach
• 36:12
  towards them. And I feel like I've done really well with kids.
• 36:15
  I don't know about, I guess, as far as just kind of what you're referencing,
• 36:19
  but kids do very well when they come to something holistic. They don't need
• 36:23
  as many treatments overall.
• 36:24
  And when you treat something like acne, which is a buildup of a combination
• 36:28
  of stressors and a buildup of heat from the stressors, plus poor diet and kind
• 36:34
  of the junk that can bring in toxins or other impurities in the body.
• 36:39
  The combination of both can fuel acne. And so I'm just grateful to be able to,
• 36:44
  one, address those underlying conditions and other issues that helps us clear up the skin.
• 36:48
  Honestly, within maybe a couple of days of a person starting or within a couple
• 36:53
  of weeks, You can go from kind of that unfortunate pepperoni-ish kind of appearance
• 36:58
  to clear skin complexion,
• 37:00
  which is sometimes difficult for some kids to wrap their mind around considering
• 37:04
  they've been dealing with blemishes for so long. So I don't know, that's kind of good.
• 37:08
  You also work with scarring? Yeah, I do. I can say I help with scarring as well.
• 37:13
  So when we do acupuncture for that or gua sha or facial cupping,
• 37:18
  as long as we're promoting blood flow in that area and whether we're targeting
• 37:21
  the acupuncture locally to help break up some of that scar tissue,
• 37:25
  then we can actually heal the scarring from the improved blood flow.
• 37:29
  Your body is trying to heal scars 24-7.
• 37:32
  It's just got a roadblock in its attempt to do so. So when we do a modality
• 37:37
  treatment like acupuncture or facial cupping, or do something like gua sha, which can, you know,
• 37:42
  stretch the fascia and break up scar tissue and then allow the blood to flow
• 37:47
  in areas kind of like, for example, if you saw like a stream of water get, you know,
• 37:54
  flooded, it can only go up so much in relation to its new path.
• 37:58
  But if you open the path, then it can flow everywhere. That's my reference to
• 38:03
  blood flow in relation to the acne scarring.
• 38:06
  It's like little lumps of tissue or like little mountains.
• 38:09
  If you break up and clear, it can allow for that river or stream to break through
• 38:13
  and then it can kind of break it up from the inside out.
• 38:17
  I guess blood flow helps clear out impurities and toxins and that can also provide
• 38:21
  the healing blocks for your skin to repair itself in relation to what we're
• 38:26
  trying to do. Yes, you have acne.
• 38:28
  We try to treat the internal part, but then try to help aid the skin in its own recovery.
• 38:33
  So that's kind of how we've helped to address acne in the past.
• 38:36
  So I have a two-part question.
• 38:38
  So would acupuncture help address loose skin, like on your arms?
• 38:43
  And if not, or if so, if somebody has like an arm surgery, I'm asking for a friend.
• 38:50
  Somebody has like arm surgery and they have a scar. Is there a way to help get
• 38:55
  rid of that scar if the acupuncture can't get rid of, help the skin tighten up enough?
• 39:01
  So as far as cupping, that's a great modality for this type of situation as well as the gua sha.
• 39:06
  For the scarring, yeah.
• 39:10
  Okay. Basically for the scarring, there is an aspect of the scarring.
• 39:15
  The scarring itself causes like a rippling effect in the tissue compared to a smoothening effect.
• 39:20
  It's kind of like if you were to make your bed and a wrinkle-free sheet will
• 39:24
  go flat on your bed the moment you
• 39:27
  lay it out, compared to a wrinkle sheet will kind of bunch up in a way.
• 39:31
  And so to me, it's like that visual of an ironing effect.
• 39:35
  It's like if you can allow the tissue to break up in its kind of wrinkled or
• 39:41
  kind of its stiff, kind of brittle state, then you can kind of flatten it out
• 39:46
  and then kind of re-roll it.
• 39:48
  I guess if you're thinking about pizza dough, to me, I'm trying to use these
• 39:51
  analogies because we don't ever think about our skin to be able to be manipulated
• 39:55
  in a way that can break up scarring.
• 39:58
  We can more likely do that for other parts of the body where we can be a lot
• 40:01
  more aggressive and not have to worry about the bruising effect of,
• 40:04
  you know, that approach. And so we can do this much more gently on the face
• 40:09
  with the use of gua sha tools.
• 40:11
  It's a much gentler approach in relation to how they, you know,
• 40:15
  contour and sculpt the face itself.
• 40:17
  And even the cupping, these cups that are used on the face are constantly moved.
• 40:20
  They're never left in one spot to cause any of that marketing.
• 40:23
  But as you kind of pull at the tissue in that gentle kind of gliding manner,
• 40:29
  it stretches the fascia.
• 40:31
  And so basically it's like pulling apart that wrinkled sheet and then hoping that it flattens.
• 40:38
  And so that's kind of the analogy for how you can release scarring and wrinkles
• 40:44
  in more of a gentle way than just basically doing gua sha to the level that
• 40:51
  can be done on the back that's causing that red patch that you don't want everyone to see.
• 40:55
  I guess there's ways to go about things that are much more visible to the public
• 41:00
  compared to what is more private.
• 41:03
  Yeah, if you do arm surgery, you're going to have to have multiple sessions. Multiple sessions.
• 41:07
  But is there any way to tighten prior to arm surgery? So maybe you don't have
• 41:11
  to do as big of an arm surgery.
• 41:12
  Like, can you tighten that loose skin under your arms? Or is it pretty much
• 41:16
  when it's hanging there, you're kind of out of luck? Well, not necessarily.
• 41:19
  There is ways to allow the skin to just become more resilient in its own shape.
• 41:24
  So you could have excess skin.
• 41:26
  But if you're able to, in my opinion, focus on supporting the lungs,
• 41:31
  as well as the sling specifically, the lungs connect to the outer.
• 41:36
  Body in. So the correlation I want to give you is think of a chain smoker.
• 41:41
  Chain smokers, in my opinion, tend to wrinkle as far as their external skin
• 41:44
  much more aggressively than most other types of patients.
• 41:47
  But what I'm getting at is if you can nourish the organ of the lungs and help
• 41:51
  support that, then it can support your skin and help to help firm, tighten the tone.
• 41:56
  If a person is chronically fatigued, then their skin is going to sag just as
• 42:01
  a byproduct of that fatigue.
• 42:03
  So to me, hemorrhoids or an extreme version of fatigue, those blood vessels think.
• 42:09
  But if we can rejuvenate your energy levels, then we can improve the firm tightening
• 42:14
  and toning of everything too.
• 42:16
  So we can kind of mitigate the amount that you need to get cut off as far as
• 42:20
  the surgical procedure by just making your skin more efficient and firm in the
• 42:25
  state that it's already in.
• 42:26
  But eventually you'll have to get, depending upon how excessive the weight loss
• 42:30
  was, you'll have to just cut off some of that extra skin at the end once you
• 42:34
  do realize this is kind of the X amount.
• 42:37
  Yeah, maybe you can do instead of a full where they did a lot.
• 42:42
  Yeah, you might have to do a hybrid approach for that.
• 42:46
  Whoever's dealing with that. How about weight? She wants to know how acupuncture helps weight loss.
• 42:51
  So acupuncture can help with weight loss in quite a few different ways.
• 42:54
  There's one, the metabolism revving effect, meaning getting your hormones balanced
• 42:58
  to where your body is kind of like a high-performance vehicle basically revving its engine.
• 43:03
  You know, a high-performance vehicle is able to put out enough horsepower and
• 43:08
  get that engine revved up and nice and hot to where it can propel itself.
• 43:12
  The principles that apply to the body is you're not, in my opinion,
• 43:15
  burning anything if your engine doesn't get hot enough to where it can kind of perform.
• 43:20
  Now, sometimes the body can overheat, but we want your engine to be revving
• 43:24
  at a high level without it overheating.
• 43:26
  That's kind of the performance vehicle analogy.
• 43:29
  So metabolism is key. The next piece is honestly managing your stress levels
• 43:33
  and managing the hormone of cortisol.
• 43:35
  So if we can help decompress. Yeah, cortisol is a big one.
• 43:39
  So if you decompress the body, then you can relax it, less cortisol will build,
• 43:43
  and then your body won't want to store its next wave of fuel as fat.
• 43:48
  So stop the fight or flight mode. You're not running from life or death situations
• 43:53
  in terms of like Neanderthal time frame where you were literally running for
• 43:57
  your life. Now we're running from tasks and to-do lists.
• 44:00
  So the stress has come in different forms. But when we have more cortisol,
• 44:04
  we'll obviously gain more fat and the acupuncture can definitely bring the cortisol levels down.
• 44:09
  So after you revved up the engine and brought down the cortisol,
• 44:12
  the next, honestly, piece that acupuncture can help with that,
• 44:15
  in my opinion, most people don't know about. you can actually reduce appetite.
• 44:19
  You can calm the urgency of how much food you're craving to eat. So you could be hungry.
• 44:25
  And I asked them before I put this point in, I'm like, are you hungry at the
• 44:29
  moment? And if they are, put that point in.
• 44:31
  And literally within a minute, not even 20, 30 seconds, I'm like,
• 44:35
  okay, so are you still hungry? And they're like, actually, I'm not.
• 44:37
  And so you can calm the appetite down quite a bit.
• 44:41
  It's definitely not a ticket to skip a meal unless you're fasting.
• 44:44
  But it's geared towards calming down that urgent appetite that causes you to
• 44:49
  overeat. And that's a huge one.
• 44:52
  Does it last or is it just when the point's in?
• 44:55
  No, it does work cumulatively. But if you are getting it in a series,
• 44:59
  then it'll last for a lot longer time. It's like working out.
• 45:02
  You can get in shape in three months, but it's like, how long will that last
• 45:06
  if you don't maintain it that well?
• 45:08
  You can somewhat maintain it after a few months if you just keep up with the
• 45:11
  social regimen. but eventually it does fade if you don't keep up the effects.
• 45:15
  So it's kind of like an exercise routine in regards to these effects that I'm talking about.
• 45:19
  But you can't get them to be more long-term if you change your lifestyle habit. Right.
• 45:24
  So then this is a nice alternative to the weight loss, Ozempic and ZepBound
• 45:28
  and all the chemicals that have side effects.
• 45:31
  There's alternative ways to treat weight loss that I don't think people even consider.
• 45:37
  And people will go spend $1,000 a month on ZepBound, but
• 45:41
  they could have come to you two or three times a week and
• 45:44
  gotten treated and not had to
• 45:46
  deal with all the side effects and plus they had all the
• 45:49
  benefits from everything else like you know balancing hormones improving digestion
• 45:52
  sleep to it to add one kind of final
• 45:55
  piece that i feel like people are not as aware of with acupuncture to help with
• 45:59
  weight loss is that it can help curb cravings in such a way that whether you're
• 46:04
  kind of a sugar junkie or just love your salty snacks or whatever junk you end
• 46:11
  up gravitating towards, whether it's greasy foods or, you know,
• 46:15
  whatever indulgent it tends to do your stomach under, is that you can actually
• 46:19
  put points to cause a rejection of these really rich foods.
• 46:24
  So a dessert that normally is like indulgent and just kind of willpower.
• 46:30
  Testing, to me, with these points, it takes out the willpower.
• 46:33
  Because foods that don't taste great or amazing, it's not worth the calories, in my opinion.
• 46:39
  And so that's kind of why I feel like this approach can work in ways that the
• 46:44
  GLP, you know, medications only focus on, in my opinion, the appetite suppression.
• 46:50
  And then it causes malnutrition in that patient.
• 46:53
  And then you lose your muscle mass, you lose your bone mass,
• 46:57
  you lose your metabolism, you lose your fire. Is it really? Lose your hair.
• 47:02
  Yeah, you lose all of that. For what? To starve yourself? To not eat?
• 47:08
  Does not eating really resonate with someone that wanting to lose weight compared
• 47:12
  to being able to eat and being able to be satisfied?
• 47:17
  I do enjoy not eating. That's one of my things. And you're an anomaly,
• 47:21
  that's for sure. I have to say, I love eating.
• 47:25
  And to put it in context, me being a male in my field, I'm very one of few,
• 47:30
  like let's just say when I was in my undergraduate school,
• 47:33
  it was at best hit scenario if we're talking about male-female ratio,
• 47:37
  it'd be a one to five male to female kind of ratio.
• 47:40
  So I feel my profession is dominated by women.
• 47:43
  And so I'm basically trying to lead up to a story of when I took my gynecological
• 47:47
  courses and I was the only male in the class.
• 47:50
  And anyway, let's just say my appetite did not fail.
• 47:54
  After talking about all these subjects that normally most men would be turned
• 47:57
  off by or have their own kind of reaction to just hearing things like that.
• 48:02
  But when it comes to appetite and wanting to eat, I feel like a road of wellness
• 48:07
  that suits regular meals and nutrients compared to having to force yourself
• 48:11
  to limit and starve and then feel nauseous in the process that's off-putting.
• 48:16
  I just don't get when you really look at the two and weigh it,
• 48:20
  what would a rational person want to do? I don't know.
• 48:26
  That blows my mind, but go ahead. I guess to continue this conversation,
• 48:31
  then it sounds like acupuncture can help with psychological issues like stress and depression.
• 48:36
  And other types of maybe even addictions, because food is kind of an addiction,
• 48:41
  insomnia, I know, but what type of psychological issues can it,
• 48:45
  you know, address as well?
• 48:46
  So we, as acupuncturists, have been very fortunate to be able to treat, you know,
• 48:51
  veterans that have been dealing with PTSD, people that are dealing with panic
• 48:55
  attacks, you know, when people feel no energy, they want to quit 10 times more
• 49:01
  than a person that has failed, but has energy in their body to continue to fight.
• 49:06
  I've even noticed that myself. It's the times where as a small business owner,
• 49:10
  you get up for battle every day.
• 49:12
  And so the times that I have felt that,
• 49:16
  compared to wanting to, like felt like quitting, is when I had low energy or no energy.
• 49:21
  You know, at the end of the day, for most people, if you gave them a whole other
• 49:24
  couple hours of tasks, they'll be more like, okay, I'm throwing the white flag. I'm done for the day.
• 49:29
  I will do this tomorrow. That's kind of what I'm, what I referenced is that
• 49:32
  some people start off with no energy and that's the half, they have to go to
• 49:35
  the battle the whole day with honestly running on fumes.
• 49:39
  And that's kind of the difference I feel like is that, you know.
• 49:42
  I guess, does that help? Can I answer your question?
• 49:44
  It does. And then you can also, like, I know you can treat autoimmune diseases.
• 49:49
  Can you, like, address, like, we treat digestive issues or any circulatory issues
• 49:54
  or even people that are kind of going through cancer that are going through chemo and radiation?
• 49:59
  Yeah, that's a huge one right there. Honestly, I've been very grateful to have
• 50:02
  come across some patients that were going through that process.
• 50:06
  And actually, more recently, I've been able to share a very closely knit success
• 50:12
  story that I had with one of my massage therapists.
• 50:14
  My massage therapist, Emilda, she had unfortunately been diagnosed with cancer,
• 50:20
  back in 2016, 2017 timeframe.
• 50:23
  And for a while, it was private on all different fronts as far as her journey.
• 50:28
  But now she's oncology certified and focusing on helping people that are going through that process.
• 50:33
  So sharing her journey that I'm about to do right now, in my opinion,
• 50:37
  and been an eye-opener for me to help more people going through this cancer diagnosis route.
• 50:42
  She came to me with the diagnosis and the treatment plan of having to do four
• 50:47
  months of chemo with a frequency of every two weeks to go seeing and getting
• 50:53
  a round of, you know, medication.
• 50:55
  So she came to me about a week before and we started to do twice a week.
• 51:00
  And after the first two months of it, she actually done so well that we actually
• 51:06
  were able to reduce it down to once a week.
• 51:08
  But you want to guess how many times she basically threw up on like,
• 51:13
  you know, a number scale?
• 51:14
  Like, how many times did she throw up overall? Please take a guess. Zero. Yep, that zero.
• 51:19
  She didn't throw up once. And so, someone did acupuncture with chemo and they didn't throw up. Yeah.
• 51:26
  So, she was able to keep her digestion intact, basically, when she got the toxins
• 51:31
  put in her system, basically the chemo drugs, her body was able to To efficiently
• 51:35
  street out the unnecessary toxins and help support her digestion.
• 51:39
  Her nausea was non-existent.
• 51:42
  And so she never felt uneasy.
• 51:45
  This amazes me that they don't integrate more of this in cancer patients with
• 51:49
  autoimmune patients because it's so, and I see there's no profit in it for the,
• 51:55
  you know, the insurance companies or for the doctors.
• 51:58
  The insurance companies should be wanting to do this because it'll save them
• 52:01
  some money. Yeah, so I don't understand. Plus, the pain reduction,
• 52:05
  too, because chemo is not fun.
• 52:07
  And you can decrease pain with acupuncture, too.
• 52:11
  It blows my mind that it's not more integrated into everything we do.
• 52:16
  I agree. It does blow the mind.
• 52:19
  But here's the flip side of what you're talking about.
• 52:21
  Let me just reverse engineer kind of their model is that if you aren't treating
• 52:27
  all these things that are happening from the main course of treatment,
• 52:31
  then you're basically causing more need for more medications.
• 52:35
  And then once that patient does and hopefully beat the cancer,
• 52:41
  their bodies are so unfortunately beat down that they are dealing with several,
• 52:47
  whether it's autoimmune or mental health issues because their body is so depleted.
• 52:50
  And then when they go through this next wave of care, they are a shell of their former being.
• 52:57
  Like there's a person that I know through extended family that had actually gotten cancer.
• 53:03
  And then after that, they never were able to grow back their hair.
• 53:06
  And this is an individual that was possibly in their 20s at the time when it all happened.
• 53:10
  So way before the natural hair loss that can occur for some people,
• 53:14
  it was permanent from then on.
• 53:16
  And to me, that's just unfortunate buildup of toxins. And it's going to change
• 53:21
  how their body functions as they go forward because of that experience that they had to deal with.
• 53:26
  And so, yeah, that's kind of what people typically go through.
• 53:28
  I would say the one thing that acupuncture has been able to treat that blew
• 53:31
  my mind with cancer patients is keeping their white blood cell count high.
• 53:37
  Is when they go through chemo, it's killing everything. It's killing their body.
• 53:41
  Immune system, unfortunately, it's killing off, you know, cancer cells,
• 53:44
  but then it's also killing off red blood cells and white blood cells.
• 53:47
  So, when a patient's not able to fight off infections, they have to pause treatment,
• 53:52
  which gives the patient, thankfully, a chance to rebound, but it also allows
• 53:56
  the cancer to get a break too.
• 53:58
  So, if you support the body throughout the whole thing, it's like having a vehicle
• 54:03
  that can run through obstacles compared to having to just stop and wait for that.
• 54:09
  It's like stopping at a train when there's no train. It's like you just pause everything.
• 54:14
  And so we can't go anywhere.
• 54:16
  We can't go forward because we have to wait for the blood cell count,
• 54:20
  white blood cell count to come back.
• 54:22
  And so this allows them to go through treatment with efficiency,
• 54:24
  some ruthlessness, and to kill off the cancer way before the cancer,
• 54:28
  unfortunately, can sometimes take out the patient.
• 54:31
  And so anyway, I was amazed at how it helps support them.
• 54:34
  So my high school friend, he had like, she
• 54:38
  had like lupus and she's going through ms right now and
• 54:41
  they actually incorporate acupuncture the
• 54:44
  way they're treating her they treat her and they
• 54:48
  treat her as the uh they treat her as an accident
• 54:51
  patient they put the but they do acupuncture first i don't know the sequence
• 54:56
  of it but it actually that's what she's going through right now she does her
• 55:00
  acupuncture and she goes to her regular checkout and she was able to still keep
• 55:05
  moving even though in the walker Awesome.
• 55:09
  Because the class she has is she's very young. And she's growing with lupus
• 55:14
  and then with MS attack on top of it.
• 55:17
  So she loses her mobility very quickly. Wow.
• 55:21
  Yeah. Now she was able to get up on her walker. That's awesome.
• 55:25
  So if you could tell me your favorite story of something that you were just
• 55:29
  so shocked and amazed with that acupuncture did that helped a patient.
• 55:34
  And you don't definitely don't tell them their name, but like what just the
• 55:38
  situation as how it helped and how miraculous it was. So I have to actually.
• 55:44
  That, to me, is a trigger in my mind of like a hundred plus patients that I
• 55:52
  feel like I could share just because I'm grateful for having learned what I
• 55:57
  learned and that the efficiency of what I learned.
• 55:59
  But let me focus on a particular review I got online on my Google review.
• 56:04
  And it's hilarious because of the way it starts off. I had a patient coming
• 56:08
  in that she was getting IVF care concurrently while she was seeing me.
• 56:12
  She put on her review, Dr. Patel got me pregnant.
• 56:16
  What's funny is that the husband eventually ended up coming to get care, too.
• 56:21
  And anyway, he gave me, you know, thank you for helping his wife get pregnant.
• 56:25
  And so it was an amazing experience to work with someone.
• 56:29
  And honestly, this is an amazing person I'm referring to, but she had gone through
• 56:33
  all this adversity in relation to getting pregnant.
• 56:35
  And so she, on the Google review, basically she lists out all these procedures
• 56:40
  that she has done and I explained to her kind of the process of what holistically we need to do.
• 56:45
  And so I talked about the whole metabolism slash hormonal balance piece.
• 56:50
  I talked about the whole blood flow and improving that supply to be able to
• 56:54
  deliver to the uterus and ovaries to help improve egg quality and the uterine lining.
• 56:57
  There are a lot more details in between that, but that was a summary of what
• 57:01
  I told her and educated her on what we need to achieve to make this a possibility.
• 57:05
  And so as I worked with her through it, and then she had gotten kind of that
• 57:12
  inkling that she was greenlit for that first pregnancy, she then posted that review.
• 57:17
  And anyway, I hadn't heard from this particular person for like almost a year.
• 57:21
  And then I get a picture in the mail of a baby and the birth date and everything.
• 57:26
  And then I have to look back to when that review was.
• 57:28
  And it was like 10, 11 months in time.
• 57:31
  But to me, that was that pregnancy because there's no other time frame that
• 57:36
  would have made sense in relation to all that's happening.
• 57:40
  So you can help with fertility issues. Do you do acupuncture when people are
• 57:45
  pregnant to help with stressful pregnancies?
• 57:47
  Yeah, so high-risk pregnancies is where acupuncture can excel at when other
• 57:51
  modalities, in my opinion, are not equipped to help serve this particular class of patients.
• 57:56
  From my perspective, just to summarize it in terms of economics one-on-one example,
• 58:01
  it's about supply and demand.
• 58:04
  With a lot of things internally. But you literally have, as a pregnant female, a growing demand.
• 58:09
  And that is welcomed in this equation. But the problem is you're not,
• 58:14
  in my opinion, growing your supply.
• 58:16
  And that means increased blood flow and nutrient delivery for that baby to thrive.
• 58:22
  It's like what you're feeding yourself will go to your child,
• 58:26
  but you have a delivery system in terms of your circulation that facilitates all of it.
• 58:32
  It's like you could have packages is that you want to send your grandkids or
• 58:35
  send to people, whoever that in the world.
• 58:37
  But if they're not using Amazon Prime, they're not getting it like the next
• 58:40
  freaking day. You know what I'm saying?
• 58:42
  Like you can send something to someone and it'll eventually get there.
• 58:45
  That's one way of looking at it.
• 58:47
  They'll eventually get it. But there is an efficiency and timing.
• 58:51
  You have, quote unquote, a growing organism that is in need of nutrients now,
• 58:57
  not a week from now, like literally at the moment that it needs it.
• 59:01
  So if you can improve your health, hormonal balance and blood flow,
• 59:06
  which will improve your health, in my opinion, you can supply more to your growing
• 59:11
  demand, which is basically the child.
• 59:13
  And so that to me is how you can help high risk pregnancies.
• 59:16
  So it sounds like you can help people trying to get pregnant,
• 59:20
  whether they're having fertility issues or not.
• 59:22
  You can help moms when they're pregnant with the baby.
• 59:25
  And then after you can help women that have a little bit of postpartum depression
• 59:29
  or maybe even milk flow supply issues or just exhaustion issues in general help
• 59:36
  come back to life sounds like great yes definitely.
• 59:40
  Yeah and then and then if you were to add
• 59:43
  to what you just kind of segueing whenever they get to the time frame where
• 59:46
  those kiddos are quote-unquote depleting their energy in different ways just
• 59:51
  the joyfulness of having kids and how much they can run you down in a way we
• 59:55
  can then focus on And rejuvenation in the other ways that we talked about earlier in the podcast. I see.
• 1:00:01
  So what do you think is the biggest misunderstanding when it comes to acupuncture?
• 1:00:05
  What do you think people just don't get? Or is there like any like fairy tales
• 1:00:09
  or myths about acupuncture?
• 1:00:10
  I would have to point out movies and how they show a ridiculous number of needles for treatment.
• 1:00:16
  And the stereotyping it, that's how it's done. And when, in my opinion,
• 1:00:20
  an average person looks and sees these clips and movies or shows,
• 1:00:25
  they are overwhelmed by the theatrical presentation because it is theatrical, in my opinion.
• 1:00:29
  I would never put 100 needles in a patient. just because.
• 1:00:33
  I might put close to 50, but that's because I'm doing maybe facial rejuvenation plus a body treatment.
• 1:00:38
  But that's because I'm doing a lot more than normal. But it's overkill in terms
• 1:00:42
  of what you're seeing on TV.
• 1:00:44
  And it's not a magical cure-all for something you've been dealing with for 20 years.
• 1:00:49
  Here's one insight I have to give just as a provider and a frustration I have as a practitioner.
• 1:00:55
  People that go through the Western traditional care model, they put so much
• 1:00:58
  stake into that after they've been burnt by it over years and years of not getting
• 1:01:03
  release, they then sometimes switch over to the Eastern and holistic realm.
• 1:01:07
  But then they come see me with the expectation that shit's going to get solved in one visit.
• 1:01:13
  And I'm like, wow, you have such little faith in what I do. You put me last.
• 1:01:19
  And then you expect this modality to outperform everything combined wow yeah
• 1:01:25
  that is so logical like i have to fix this before i can fix this yeah.
• 1:01:32
  That's kind of a misconception I have to say. Natural healing takes an effort
• 1:01:36
  like exercise to build up a body.
• 1:01:38
  And so you have to understand when you put the working, there's so many benefits to be had.
• 1:01:43
  And so if you are able to adopt that mindset, then you can live a better life,
• 1:01:47
  but put the cart behind the donkey compared to before the horse in a way.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, it's like you have to build the foundation and then you have to frame
• 1:01:55
  the building and then you have to put in the walls and you have to put in the windows.
• 1:01:59
  And every step gets you closer, but you can't just go and have a house that
• 1:02:03
  just appears out of nothing.
• 1:02:06
  Agreed. What is, if somebody wants to find a really good acupuncturist,
• 1:02:10
  because I know this was a challenge for me and I'm so blessed to have you as my acupuncturist.
• 1:02:15
  But if somebody wants to find a good acupuncturist, how can they start or where
• 1:02:19
  should they go? So one avenue is to, I mean, you can always look on Google.
• 1:02:24
  That's one way to do it. But I would look at either a site called AccuFinder, ACU Finder.
• 1:02:31
  That's one way to get a list of acupuncturists that are specifically licensed acupuncturists.
• 1:02:36
  Or you can go to the first route that I mentioned, looking on Google,
• 1:02:41
  but make sure they have an L designation, which is what I am,
• 1:02:46
  a licensed acupuncturist.
• 1:02:48
  And then there's a slight level above, which is a DAOM or a doctor of acupuncture
• 1:02:54
  in traditional Chinese medicine. So my training is basically a master's level.
• 1:02:59
  And if I got another year or so of coursework, I can get that entry level doctor's level of training.
• 1:03:05
  But the key or caveat is that I was trained on a format that is focused on traditional Chinese medicine.
• 1:03:14
  If we are taught that format, we are taught a holistic format.
• 1:03:18
  If you go to someone that advertises acupuncture, but they're a chiropractor,
• 1:03:22
  a physical therapist, or basically a non-traditional Chinese medicine provider,
• 1:03:28
  then they have studied only the techniques of dry needling. I see.
• 1:03:32
  I do know. Yeah. You do Zoom calls, too, for patients, too, if they want to
• 1:03:38
  get an introductory call and have maybe some Chinese medicines or something.
• 1:03:45
  Do you have people that fly in to see you as well, since you're so close to the airport? Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  So I lived in Ohio for a while. And so I do have, whether it's family,
• 1:03:55
  friends or relatives that sometimes are just happen to be in town and then they
• 1:03:58
  come see me or vice versa.
• 1:04:00
  They come see me, but then they also happen to visit friends and wherever that are in the area.
• 1:04:04
  So I do have people that do fly in and then happen to see me for whichever reason,
• 1:04:09
  but they are sometimes then looking, obviously, for someone that is trying to emulate how I do things.
• 1:04:15
  So I have looked at people's, you know, websites as far as the acupuncturists
• 1:04:20
  when I'm referring to them.
• 1:04:21
  I'm looking to see are they presenting themselves more authentically and are
• 1:04:26
  they showing more of their story compared to you see a practice name and you're
• 1:04:32
  struggling to find a picture of the provider.
• 1:04:34
  Or a bio, or any background on why they became what they became.
• 1:04:39
  It's like, you can go to a doctor, but if they didn't have a passion to helping
• 1:04:43
  heal people, in my opinion, you might not like that doctor, you know?
• 1:04:47
  They got into it because of other reasons.
• 1:04:49
  And so to me, when you see someone in that format of good reviews.
• 1:04:54
  But are they able to present themselves, but then clearly articulate what is going on?
• 1:05:01
  So you can find their social media and or videos that they have on their website.
• 1:05:05
  Are they speaking clearly to you, like I am speaking clearly to you?
• 1:05:09
  Are they able to break down in layman's terms what is the issue or the underlying
• 1:05:13
  diagnosis and then give you honestly an analogy or kind of a summary of what
• 1:05:18
  mechanism in relation to your body that you need to fix?
• 1:05:21
  It's like if you're having low energy and you can't quote unquote hit the gas
• 1:05:25
  pedal to go in terms of your body, in terms of driving it, then you might want
• 1:05:30
  to look at the tank, a fuel that might be low.
• 1:05:32
  It's like if you can focus on explaining the cause and effect for why they're
• 1:05:36
  tired versus just, okay, you're tired, I'll see you this amount of times,
• 1:05:41
  and then you'll get better.
• 1:05:42
  And that is sometimes a summary of what they give, and that's unfortunate.
• 1:05:45
  The patients, in my opinion, need to have a better reinforcement of why do I
• 1:05:50
  need to do what you're telling me?
• 1:05:52
  How does what you're telling me resonate to fixing my problem?
• 1:05:56
  And so those are just the key pieces that we as providers need to just put together.
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  But it's a simple, you know, connection Of dots, just like.
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  All these dots that we see on the points on the body. We have to be able to
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  put it together for the patient to really help them drive their vehicle towards
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  improvement versus just, okay, that's where you got to go. I'll see you there.
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  Yeah, I think a lot of people will do, like chiropractic I think is now more
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  accepted than acupuncture as a common modality. And a lot of people do massage.
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  But I really personally believe that acupuncture is like something you should do for your life.
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  And because there's always going to be little things you need to tweak here
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  and there, that are out of balance and it feels like it just opens up the energy
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  flow pathways in your body better.
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  Going forward, is there anything you think that listeners need to know?
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  Now I know you're big on social media now.
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  You're starting to get a nice following on social media with all your acupuncture
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  videos and we'll post your website and your Instagram account.
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  But is there anything that you think people should do or maybe they should start
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  practicing at home or should get on with a acupuncturist on a regular schedule?
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  What are your thoughts? So whether you're dealing with something that's more
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  limiting in terms of quality of life or not,
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  if you are dealing with something that I would get to an acupuncturist that's
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  focused on a holistic style, like having that TCM background,
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  and then starting off with a series of treatments, if you're dealing with something
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  that's chronic and that's been debilitating to you,
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  I would start off with a series of 10 visits and how fast, in my opinion,
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  can you get those 10 visits completed?
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  Because that's like going from zero to 60 or zero to 100 in your vehicle.
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  The faster you can get to that relative speed is that's when you're going to
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  cover the most amount of ground in the least amount of time.
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  So get to an acupuncturist, see them frequently in the beginning,
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  celebrate your healing.
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  Then you go into cruise control or
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  maintenance mode. And that to me in the long-term picture is once a month.
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  Get to where you're feeling much better. But if you continue once a month and
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  keep up these lifestyle habit changes, you can build over the long term.
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  It's a compounding interest. And
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  so that's where you get the most with the least amount of effort is that.
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  Speed up, like a plane taking off, and you don't need as much fuel once you're
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  at 35,000 feet and kind of just cruising in the sky.
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  And the other avenue of if you don't have anything going on and you don't have
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  anything severe or debilitating or concerning, then just start off once a month.
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  And honestly, within a few months, you'll definitely notice improvement,
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  but you'll be able to get that quote unquote 35,000 feet altitude kind of effect
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  where you're covering a lot of ground with a lot less friction because you built
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  yourself up when you didn't have any obstacles preventing your progress.
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  And so that to me is my message to anyone hearing me right now,
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  as far as if you're dealing with something with acupuncture,
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  you can dive right in and tackle it and then maintain that effort.
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  Or you can just go into a maintenance mode right away.
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  But to me, I would definitely start acupuncture early if you have been dealing with anything.
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  And the more you can stay consistent, like a workout regimen,
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  you'll just get benefits over the long terms. If you don't have the money to
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  do X amount of visits in a short amount of time, a little acupuncture over a
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  period of time can serve that as well.
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  Because time is a commodity, in my opinion. It is currency when it comes to healing.
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  If you have no time, things need to run faster with the treatments.
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  If you do have plenty of time, then you can go a little slower.
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  But that's kind of my message to people in terms of budgeting or just going
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  forward with this scope of treatment. Do you have any other questions? No.
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  Well, I think we've covered a lot. I think we've covered everything from skin
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  conditions to fertility to plastic surgery with activity problems.
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  Yeah. Chemo to kiddo care. I got to fix this. I got to fix that.
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  So I think that going forward, if people could just look at alternative medicine
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  as medicine and not just an alternative and really dive into making it part
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  of your lifestyle and part of your self-care.
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  I think it's the way to go if you want to live for a long time and have a good quality of life too.
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  It's the quality of life, not the quantity of life.
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  No, that's a, it's a great thing to highlight. Quality is so much,
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  in my opinion, more important than the quantity. But people can be living a
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  long life, but they can be suffering.
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  And so to kind of summarize, it's like, how many laps can you take around this
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  track of life without taking a pit stop, you know? Right.
• 1:10:20
  If you see these, you know, race cars, they're making pit stops so they can
• 1:10:23
  cross the finish line, hopefully in the lead.
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  It's, you know, how many pit stops do you need to take so that you're kind of
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  leading the pack as well?
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  That's kind of my analogy for any patient that's, you know, that's a good one. Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Thank you. That's a good one. Is there anything else you think you should add
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  for people so that they know?
• 1:10:40
  Well, first, we're going to give them your contact information so they can reach
• 1:10:43
  out if they want to book an appointment with you.
• 1:10:45
  Is there anything else they should know when they're taking this journey?
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  Anything to be leery of or worrisome?
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, it should not hurt as far as an overall treatment.
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  You should hopefully be able to find a practitioner that either hears you out
• 1:10:59
  in relation to comfort, and if they don't, they're not right for you, in my opinion.
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  I take the time and focus and attention, as you might have observed,
• 1:11:06
  to make sure my patients are comfortable throughout the entire visit.
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  So I'll ask several times during my interaction with them, but I'll also ask
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  before I even leave and leave them with a pager button or a bell so they can
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  get a hold of me. It should be a comfortable experience.
• 1:11:19
  If you don't have that comfortable experience, speak up and make it known.
• 1:11:24
  And if not, go find someone else.
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  Because there are plenty of other providers that have the skill set and the
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  comfort level in their office to achieve that.
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  And it's unfortunate some people might be limited in providers,
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  but that to me is what I try to offer every day for every single business.
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  So that is definitely a thing that I would look for.
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  Yeah, that is true. That is one thing I did mention to you is that I've been
• 1:11:45
  to practitioners where, I mean, honestly, it was more about how much blood they could draw.
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  So I think they're too deep or they make it painful. So you've got to be careful.
• 1:11:54
  You know, acupuncture is very pleasurable. And I sleep through the whole session pretty much.
• 1:11:58
  Sometimes I almost fall asleep while you're actually putting the needles.
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  It's like, oh, it's so relaxing. So it's enough.
• 1:12:05
  Yeah, that's for sure. Agreed. Awesome. All right.
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  Well, Sir Patel, we are going to wrap up.
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  Thank you for having me on thank you for coming on and it was a true pleasure
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  and this is Deva Mia signing off Deva Kev signing off nice talking to you thank
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  you thank you have a great time Deva Kev signing off take care have a wonderful
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