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44 - Eleanor of Aquitaine - Queen & Rebel · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 5: listened to an episode. That's not true.
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  Speaker 4: you're thinking. You're thinking, quit your gibber.
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  Speaker 5: Jabber in fact me, In fact you, I will. But
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  Speaker 5: first we've got to get our source on.
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  Speaker 4: Our sources are Eleanor of Aquitaine Alive by Alison Ware,
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  Speaker 4: Women Crusading in the Holy Land and historical Narrative by
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  Speaker 4: Natasha Hodgson, Revisiting Monarchy, Women and the Prospects for Power
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  Speaker 4: by Katherine Crawford. Queen Eleanor Independent Spirit of the Medieval
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  Speaker 4: World by Pauli Shawyer Brooks and Eleanor of Aquitaine The
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  Speaker 4: Mother Queen by Desmond seword.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I cannot actually convey to you just how excited
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  Speaker 4: I am to talk about Eleanor of Aquitaine. She was
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  Speaker 4: one of those people in history that was an absolute badass,
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  Speaker 4: and I mean that sincerely.
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  Speaker 5: The woman lived a life.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you, and I will tell you.
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  Speaker 5: So let's start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor was born maybe in eleven twenty two or maybe
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  Speaker 4: in eleven twenty four. We're not entirely sure bocause let's
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  Speaker 4: face it, why would anyone be bothered to actually write
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  Speaker 4: down the actual date of a woman in the past,
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  Speaker 4: regardless of how high they were up in the nobility
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  Speaker 4: scale women of the past, when were you born? Fuck it,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter anyway. She was the oldest child of William,
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  Speaker 4: the tenth Duke of Aquitaine and Enol desha Deliro. So
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  Speaker 4: she was born at some point between these two years.
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  Speaker 4: When whim's to say, and her mother is like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna name you after myself kinda So her mother Enore
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  Speaker 4: calls her daughter ali Enore, so her mother names her
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  Speaker 4: ali No, which comes from the Latin alia enore, which
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  Speaker 4: translates to the other anore. Ah, this is Susan and
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  Speaker 4: other Susan. I'm sorry, I find it funny. I like that, okay,
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  Speaker 4: sidebar and irish ella means like other additionally, say, for example,
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  Speaker 4: bohol is boy, bohol ella other boy, bohol ugust bohole ella.
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  Speaker 4: So like in my head, whenever I hear the name Cinderella,
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  Speaker 4: I think other Cinder. Ah, there's Cinder August, Cinderella. I
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  Speaker 4: know it's silly, but it's stuck in my head forever.
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  Speaker 4: But here's the thing about nobility anyway, There's always going to.
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  Speaker 5: Be someone named after someone else. They have a habit
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  Speaker 5: of doing that. It's all about lineage and.
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  Speaker 4: Lineage, tradition, respect, brown nosing whatever anyway, and honestly, not
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  Speaker 4: even the most interesting name in her family. Eleanor's gran
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  Speaker 4: had the nickname of Dangerous. We don't know what her
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  Speaker 4: real name was. All we have is her nickname because
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  Speaker 4: that's how she was known. But that's another story for
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  Speaker 4: another day. Back to Eleanor, so the Douche of Aquitaine.
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  Speaker 4: It is actually the largest and wealthiest douche in twelfth
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  Speaker 4: century France, it basically takes up most of there, and
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  Speaker 4: because it's massive and is very rich, that's where everybody goes.
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  Speaker 4: So Paris at this point is still kind of like
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  Speaker 4: boring because it's the twelfth century and Aquitaine is this
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  Speaker 4: is the medieval equivalent of the bustling cultural center. There's
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  Speaker 4: fashion and culture and education. So being this cultural and
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  Speaker 4: scholarly hub, all the nobility had fantastic educations, and of
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  Speaker 4: course the children of the Duke of Aquitaine, they had
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  Speaker 4: the best education money could buy. So because she's a girl,
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor is automatically trained in what would be seen as
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  Speaker 4: the more feminine education, including household.
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  Speaker 5: Management, spinning, sewing, But on.
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  Speaker 4: Top of that, she would be taught astronomy, history, arithmetic.
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor's education revolved around getting her ready to be the
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  Speaker 4: wife of a rich and powerful man, like that's the
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  Speaker 4: end goal.
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  Speaker 5: She is the eldest child, she is.
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  Speaker 4: The daughter, you know, she is the bargaining chip, she
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  Speaker 4: is the alliance maker.
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  Speaker 5: But when her only brother.
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  Speaker 4: Dies in eleven thirty, when Eleanor's what either six or
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  Speaker 4: eight years old, because we don't fucking know, one of those.
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  Speaker 5: She's next in line.
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  Speaker 4: She becomes the heir presumptive for the largest area in France,
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  Speaker 4: which meant that instead of just being trained to be
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  Speaker 4: a nobleman's wife, she was now being taught to be
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  Speaker 4: a ruler herself in her own right. And eleven thirty seven,
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  Speaker 4: William the tenth dies, making Eleanor the Duchess of Aquitaine.
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor becomes the most eligible maiden in all of Europe.
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  Speaker 4: She was clever, witty, apparently pretty, and had huge tracts
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  Speaker 4: of land, but you know, men like to be in control, even.
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  Speaker 5: Beyond the grave.
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  Speaker 4: In his will, William the tenth had appointed, so William
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  Speaker 4: the Tenth's will actually puts King Louis the sixth of
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  Speaker 4: France as Eleanor's guardian, which wasn't really unusual for the time,
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  Speaker 4: because generally nobles would write a will and they would
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  Speaker 4: appoint somebody to be the guardian of their like widow
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  Speaker 4: and children, in order to ensure that they were treated
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  Speaker 4: fairly and that they weren't going to be fucked over
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  Speaker 4: by men, by evil, untrustworthy men who would look to
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  Speaker 4: their lands and destroy things and whatever. So and of
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  Speaker 4: course he asks the king to protect Eleanor and Aquitaine
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  Speaker 4: until such times as a suitable husband can be found
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  Speaker 4: for her. And obviously Louis the Sex knew that he
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  Speaker 4: was going to be appointed this like this wasn't It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a surprise, and so quite literally hours after being
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  Speaker 4: informed of William the tenth untimely demise, King Louis the
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  Speaker 4: Six decided that Eleanor would be betrothed to his seventeen
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  Speaker 4: year old heir, who, in a surprising twist, is also
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  Speaker 4: named Louis.
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  Speaker 5: Ugh, I'm surprised, Are you surprised? Ooh?
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  Speaker 4: I think Louis was hoping to get control of Aquitaine
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  Speaker 4: and have like a larger control of France. However, the
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  Speaker 4: marriage contract between Eleanor and Louis stated that the Duchy
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  Speaker 4: of Aquitaine would only come under control of the Crown
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  Speaker 4: once Louis and Eleanor.
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  Speaker 5: Produced an air the future King of France.
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  Speaker 4: Effectively, and until such a child was born, Eleanor's lands
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  Speaker 4: would remain independent from the Crown of France. Also, in addition, furthermore,
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  Speaker 4: one of the reasons why Louis the Six barely waited
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  Speaker 4: for William's body to be called before he engaged these
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  Speaker 4: two teens was because he had a pretty severe case
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  Speaker 4: of the dysentery and was currently shitting himself to death,
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  Speaker 4: which is also probably why the marriage agreement wasn't really
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  Speaker 4: too much in his favor. So Eleanor and Louis they
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  Speaker 4: get married, and exactly one week later, King Louis the
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  Speaker 4: sixth dies, So in seven days, Eleanor has effectively upgraded twice.
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  Speaker 4: She went Duchess, princess queen. I don't know if she
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  Speaker 4: was officially named a princess, but technically, let's just agree
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  Speaker 4: to it. It's funnier this way. It's the equivalent of
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  Speaker 4: not even unpacking your suitcase. They had just been installed
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  Speaker 4: as the Duke and Duchess of Aquitaine and they had
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  Speaker 4: to bugger off back to Paris because whoops.
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  Speaker 5: Although now the.
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  Speaker 4: King and Queen of France, even though they were similar
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  Speaker 4: in age, Eleanor was much more suited to ruling than
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  Speaker 4: her husband was. You see, Louis was never meant to
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  Speaker 4: be king. He was the spare to the heir and
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  Speaker 4: generally as the second son, he was supposed to go
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  Speaker 4: into some sort of religious vocation. But six years earlier,
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  Speaker 4: his older brother Philippe sadly lost his life in a
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  Speaker 4: tragic equestrian accident. Fifteen old Philip had gone out riding
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  Speaker 4: with his mates and his horse tripped over a pig
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  Speaker 4: catapulted him over the horse, fracturing so many of Philippe's
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  Speaker 4: bones that he died within twenty four hours. And that
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  Speaker 4: was when they had to bring Louis back into the fold. So,
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  Speaker 4: while Eleanor was being raised to be a leader, Louis
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  Speaker 4: was being raised by monks.
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  Speaker 5: The two could not have been more different.
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  Speaker 4: Louis, at least at the start, was really into Eleanor.
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  Speaker 4: He was just like, Wow, she's so wildly, she's so smart,
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  Speaker 4: she's so gorgeous and everything else that comes with it.
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  Speaker 4: And Eleanor found him to be dull and overflowing with piety,
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  Speaker 4: like she was just not into this. And to top
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  Speaker 4: of the lath like she'd come from Aquitaine, which was
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  Speaker 4: a cultural and educational and fashionable hub, and Paris was
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  Speaker 4: really ignorant, unrefined, and really fucking tedious. So clearly they
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  Speaker 4: were not the most compatible of couples, which was seen
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  Speaker 4: clearly by the incredible lack of airs produced. But eventually,
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  Speaker 4: after eight years of being married, they have a daughter, Millie,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, eight months after having Marie, Eleanor and
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  Speaker 4: Louis the Seventh decide that now is the optimal moment to.
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  Speaker 5: Go on a crusade. Mm hmmm mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Nicholas to say this crusade is what some might determine
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  Speaker 4: as unsuccessful because it was in fact unsuccessful.
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  Speaker 5: Basically, they're trying to make their way to Edessa that
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  Speaker 5: their charge on the way there is a massacre. Shit
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  Speaker 5: goes down.
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  Speaker 4: Luckily, Louis is wearing a pilgrim's chunic and not a
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  Speaker 4: royal chuinic, so will his bodyguards. The royal bodyguards have
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  Speaker 4: their skulls crushed in he manages to escape. Also doesn't
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  Speaker 4: help that Louis was not the most efficient military leader,
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  Speaker 4: so basically it's a whole shit show. And seeing as
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor's uncle, Raymond's place is on the way, they think, listen,
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  Speaker 4: let's stop there. So Raymond was the youngest brother of
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  Speaker 4: Eleanor's dad, and of course, after the absolute fucking disaster
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  Speaker 4: that she's gone through, she is incredibly happy to see
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  Speaker 4: her uncle. The court is very similar to what she
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  Speaker 4: grew up with in Aquitain. They also speak the same dialect,
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  Speaker 4: and they had similar educations and interests. Effectively, while she's
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  Speaker 4: staying there, her and her uncle are staying up late,
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  Speaker 4: they're chatting, They're spending a lot of time together. So
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  Speaker 4: she's spending a lot of time with a man who
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  Speaker 4: isn't her husband, speaking in a language that he does
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  Speaker 4: not understand.
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  Speaker 7: At which point rumors start circulating that Eleanor is banging
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  Speaker 7: her uncle, which, by the way, ill and also eck
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  Speaker 7: oh no, a homesick person is spending time with a relative,
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  Speaker 7: they must be shagging.
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  Speaker 4: Cool, so glad, so glad you thought that up. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: these rumors are not helped by the fact that Eleanor
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  Speaker 4: does not want to return to Paris.
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  Speaker 5: She likes where she is.
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  Speaker 4: See what this does is this reminds her of what
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  Speaker 4: she had and what she wants, and she really does
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  Speaker 4: not want to go back to Paris in a marriage
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  Speaker 4: with someone who she feels really is not her equal.
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  Speaker 4: So Eleanor wants to have the marriage nulled because of consanguinity,
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, what's that when it's at home. Basically
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  Speaker 4: it meant closely related because they were third cousins. Once removed,
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  Speaker 4: it could be argued that this relationship could be seen
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  Speaker 4: as incestuus, which is the point she's trying to make.
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  Speaker 4: So Eleanor does not want to return to Paris, but
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  Speaker 4: Louis he isn't going to Paris yet. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: turns out oh Odessa has been raised to the ground
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  Speaker 4: or there's no Adessa to save, so he's not going there.
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  Speaker 4: No real extra crusading for him. That being said, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, raised by monks, he wants to go in
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  Speaker 4: a p to the Holy Land. Eleanor does not, but
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  Speaker 4: he humiliates her and basically forces her to come with him.
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  Speaker 4: But of course she has today what her husband says,
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  Speaker 4: because she is a woman in the past. Raymond does
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  Speaker 4: try and convince Louis to then just go on another
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  Speaker 4: like holy crusade and go fight people, and Louis is like, nah,
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm just gonna go do the praying thing.
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  Speaker 4: So the journey from the Holy Land back to France
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  Speaker 4: was wasn't exactly smooth sailing.
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  Speaker 5: The journey home was a not an easy one.
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  Speaker 4: On the way from the Holy Land to France, Eleanor's like, fine,
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  Speaker 4: I will go back to Paris, but I'm going on
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  Speaker 4: a separate ship, which is then attacked by Byzantine pirates.
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  Speaker 5: They managed to escape.
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  Speaker 4: The ship then gets caught in a storm and lands
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  Speaker 4: in North Africa, and no one sees hiding her hair
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  Speaker 4: for her for two months. When she actually manages to
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  Speaker 4: make it to Sicily, she finds out that everyone assumes
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  Speaker 4: that both her and Louis died at sea. She's then
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  Speaker 4: given food and shelter by King Roger the second of Sicily.
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  Speaker 4: It's there that she discovers that her uncle Raymond was
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  Speaker 4: actually beheaded by Muslim forces in the Holy Land, which
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  Speaker 4: probably made Louis incredibly happy. And instead of heading back
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  Speaker 4: to France, Eleanor goes to see the Pope and she's like, please,
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  Speaker 4: can you annul this marriage? And he goes that is
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  Speaker 4: an option. However, have you considered sleeping in the same bed?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Pope for that one. So they do this,
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  Speaker 4: thus resulting in their second child in eleven fifty, a
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  Speaker 4: second daughter, Alex. Now this wasn't good because at this
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  Speaker 4: point they still had no male heir, which is you know,
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  Speaker 4: lineage when every man of the era wants a male
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• 20:01
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• 20:04
  Speaker 4: going to be a real fucking problem for him soon.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: And Louis is reading from the playbook that the best
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: defense is a good offense, so he decides to go
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: and attack Henry Plantagenet, the Duke of Norman dy Seventeen
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: year old Henry, meanwhile, is already writing for the English
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  Speaker 4: throne and really didn't need a too pronged attack.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: It wasn't good for him, and.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: His dad's like, maybe see if you can have a compromise,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: and so Henry goes to Paris, meets with Louis, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: they go to work out a peace deal, and this
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  Speaker 4: is where Henry meets Eleanor for the first time.
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  Speaker 4: So Eleanor at this point is ten years older, a
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: full decade older than Henry. Clearly an impression was made.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So about half a year or so after this event,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the marriage between Eleanor and Louis as an old. Finally
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: the Pope goes, yes, absolutely, you can do it, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: he allows it because of consanguinity. The pope had decreed
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: that they were not too closely related an eleven forty nine,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: but they were too closely related An eleven fifty two.
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  Speaker 5: Three years.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently it takes three years to really grasp the understanding
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: of a family tree. Perhaps that's it, or perhaps it's
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: something to do with the fact that Eleanor had not
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: produced any male heirs for Louie. Effectively, Louis wanted to
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: go marry someone else and start popping out some boys.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: And you might be thinking, what happened to the daughters,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: the princesses, Well, they're actually okay because the way the
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: annulment worked, and because the marriage had been entered to
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: in good faith, So the daughters are still legitimate, they're
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: not bastardized, they're fine.
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  Speaker 5: It's all good.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: So Eleanor she's like, fuck this for a game of soldiers.
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  Speaker 5: I'm off great, I'm gonna leave now.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: And as she's traveling to Platier, two lords tried to
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: kidnap her so that they could marry her and get
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: claim to the lands of Equity. These attempts were unsuccessful,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and by the time she lands in Poitier, she sends
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: envoys straight to Henry and she's like, hey, let's get married,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and Henry's like, yes, absolutely, one hundred percent, And eight
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: weeks after her annulment, they get married and Luckily for
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Eleanor if she actually and the funny thing is for
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Eleanor if she did want an annulment, it's actually easier
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: because she was.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Third cousins once removed with Louis.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: But she's just third cousins straight off with Henry, so
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: it's it's close enough. So they have this nice and
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: simple ceremony. It's not the lavish affair that usually you
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: have when you know, two massive nobles get married, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: at least to begin with, Eleanor and her Henry are
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: really into each other, so much so that in just
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: over a year, Eleanor gives birth to their first son, William.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: In eleven fifty four, Henry succeeds his cousin Steven as
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: King of England, making his empire the most powerful force
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: in Western Europe. So the Angevin Empire is so Henry's
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: empire is fucking massive. It is probably, if I'm not mistaken,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: the most powerful force in Western Europe, so much so
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: that he was constantly out like, traveling and forcing nobles
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: to bend the knee, crushing the odd up rise in
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: here and there. Even though you know, quite busy, Eleanor
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: and Henry still manage to find time to perform their
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: marital duties, and in a complete contrast to her marriage
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: with Louis, in which the first eight years of her
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: marriage little to know consummating was happening. In the first
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: six years of her marriage to Henry, Eleanor gives birth
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: to five children, William, Henry, Matilda, Richard, and Jeffrey. But
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: she wouldn't stop there after that. She also manages to
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: give birth to Eleanor, Joan, and John. For the most part,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Henry the second of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Had a pretty standard.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: To good marriage for the early medieval period. Henry was
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: at least aware that Eleanor was a competent ruler, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: he entrusted her to basically govern When he was out
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: surveying his lands and whatnot. Henry could not keep it
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: in his pants, so he was out and he had
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: many affairs, a fuck ton of illegitimate kids, two of
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: which he actually acknowledges, and Eleanor seems incredibly chill with this,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: probably because it's very typical of the time.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: It was just how things were like.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: One of his algitimate sons is actually raised by Eleanor,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: so he already had elgitimate kids before they got married.
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  Speaker 4: His oldest at George, was actually raised by the Queen
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: in her household like that. She was like, yeah, sure,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: come on fine, which and he was educated, he was
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: well fed. He basically turned out absolutely fine. So Eleanor's
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: oldest son, William, he passes away at the age of three.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: This still left four sons with whom they had to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: like figure out who was going to inherit what. So effectively,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: there's this peace treaty with France. Out of that, it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: decided that young Henry would marry Princess Marguerite, who was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: King Lowie's daughter from his second marriage.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Like he wasn't, Mary and his sister want to make
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: that clear.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: So effectively, young Henry would inherit England, Andrew and Normandy
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Richard would inherittin from his mother. And Jeffrey was betrothed
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: to the Duke of Brittany's only child, so that he
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: would inherit that Dutchey Duchy Duchy. Their youngest son John
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: here no plans were made for him. So Eleanor and
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: her husband Henry, they go visit Aquitaine, the whole purpose
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: of which is to officially in state her as of
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the Duchess regent, so that effectively it would still you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: come under the blank of the English crown, but Elener
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: would be able to hold her own court there. She
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: would effectively be the ruler and leader, which is really
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: handy because this is what she was raised to do.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And also it meant that Henry didn't have to worry
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: about it because she was looking after it. Also, the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: people of Aquitaine, and because they were ruled by one
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: of their own, chances are rebellions and whatnot less likely
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: to happen. So Eleanor's having a great time. She's ruling Aquitaine.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: After we will. Her son Richard joins her effectively, because
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: he's supposed to inherit this anyway, so it's good that
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: he gets there, learns the way of the people, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: you know, is seen, and because they're spending all this
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: time together they actually become quite close. This creates so
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: while she's holding court in Aquitaine, it becomes known as
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the court of love, and this is where the sort
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: of the concept of the courtly game of love and
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: things start, like that's where the seeds come from.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: It all starts here.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: So she is holding court and she is loving her
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: best life. Meanwhile, Henry's stuff isn't going too well. There's
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: a little thing with Thomas Beckett. He's not really getting
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: on too well with his sons. Henry the Second had
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: a habit of making a you know, promises. You see,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Young Henry isn't too happy because even though he was
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: crowned King of England, so he's like a co king
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: or whatever with his dad, he doesn't actually have any
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: power and he's getting restless. He's getting a wee bit
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: unhappy and some might say resentful. And this all comes
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to her head because Henry the Second is trying to
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: broke her this like marriage deal for his youngest son John.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Now obviously but kurried with him.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: He's trying to arrange this deal with and naturally the
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: question about what lands John is going to bring into
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the marriage, like what's that going to be?
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: And Henry the second is like.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Uh, three castles and Andrew, which were actually part of
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the agreement of inheritance for young Henry. So in a huff,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Young Henry focks off to France to his father in
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: law Louis the seventh and is like, listen, my dad's
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: a dick and he's given away my shit, what the
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: actual fuck? And Louie's like, hmmm, have you considered rebellion?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: And after we chat, Lewis decides to revolt against his dad.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Before heading fact England, he pops into Equity and grabs
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: two of his brothers, Richard and Jeffrey, and is like, hey,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: let's go attack dad.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: So fair enough, three brothers, three princes. They're involved.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: But but Eleanor she could have just sat on the sidelines,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: she could have just waited it out or whatever. However,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: she says, fuck this for a game of soldiers and
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: she rows up against her husband with her sons. Nobody
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: really knows why she was involved, but so like, there's
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: rumors that, you know, she was unhappy, that she was
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: like deeply jealous and unhappy about Henry's affair with fair
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Rosamond something with her, But it's more likely that she thought, well,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: three against one, probably best to side with my young,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: strong sons, whom she could probably convince to, you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: give her back the powers that she was supposed to
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: have in Aquity. And because Henry had this habit of
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: you know, undermining her role consistently, which was super fun
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: for her anyway. Long story short, Henry basically crushes the revolt.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Don't worry, he forgives his son, but he decides to
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: imprison Eleanor for the rest of her days. Except wasn't
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: quite the rest of her days, it was just the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: rest of his sixteen years, mind you. The funny thing
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: about Eleanor's imprisonment is we don't actually know where she was.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: So for the next.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Sixteen years, Eleanor would be held in confinement. She was
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: basically under house arrest, so she still had servants and
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: all the sort of relative luxuries, but she was confined.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: She couldn't go out.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: She didn't really have as much communication, like, she didn't
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: have the opportunity to speak or see to see her
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: children or anything like that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: And so Henry would move her.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: To different locations over the years, except when she was
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: brought out for special occasions where he'd be like.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Look, she's still alive.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: And she would like for Christmas and like special holy things.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: They'd be like here, here she is great, and then
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: chuck her back away again. And while she's imprisoned, Henry
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the younger he decides to revolt again against his father.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: He then gets ill and dies.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: And on his deathbed he asks his father to release
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: his mum and Henry's like, hmm nah, And upon Young
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Henry's death, right the King of France is like, I
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: think Marguerite owns this. Young Henry's widow owns Norman day, Right,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: it's hers, she should have it back. But but Henry
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the Second declares that those lands were actually Eleanor's, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: upon Henry the.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Younger's death, they actually revert back to her. She is
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: summoned to Normandy.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: She she gets sent there, and so she's confined in Normandy,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: but she's there when Henry finally dies in eleven eighty nine.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: The first thing that Richard does Richard Lionheart, by the way,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: is he sets.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: His mother free.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: He releases her from confinement, and he goes yep, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: he basically gives her a carte blanche so she can
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: do whatever the fuck she wants. And what does the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: sixty five year old Eleanor do. What's the first thing
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: she decides to do? She becomes a prison abolitionist right
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: and releases every person who is put in jail by
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Henry the Second. Befree my puddies be free, like she
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: empties the jails. So while Richard the Lionheart is off crusading,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: he leaves Eleanor to rule.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: In his stead.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: And so while he's out, you know, massacring in the
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: name of God, he gets captured and they're holding him
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to ransom. She is ruling England in Richard's name, signing
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: herself Eleanor, by the Grace of God, Queen of England.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: So after he was done crusading, Richard was sailing home
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: where he's captured and imprisoned in an Austrian castle. He's
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: then handed over to the German Emperor Henry the Seventh,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: who demands a ransom. So Eleanor raises the money for
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: this ransom, whereas Prince John is trying to pay the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: captors more money to keep Richard prisoner for longer. So yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: she raised the money, and she's also like petitioning the
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Holy Roman Emperor to sort out the release of her son.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: That being said, when John did inherit the throne unexpectedly,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: she helped him rule. So Eleanor is still involved with
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: ruling and negotiating well into her seventies. So in eleven
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: ninety nine, when she's either seventy five or seventy seven.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: One of those the grandson of her ex husband, whose
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: name you'll ever guess, it's Louis.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: His name is Louis.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: He's the twelve year old heir apparent to the French throne,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: and it's decided that he's gonna marry one of Eleanor's granddaughters,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: so she travels to Castile in Spain.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: So she sets off.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: She's heading to Castile in Spain so that she can
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: select one of her granddaughters and start the negotiations. But
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: just outside Plaitier, so she's ambushed and fucking kidnapped by Louis,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: the ninth of Lusignan. She basically secures her own release
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: and then continues on to Castile. So Eleanor decides that
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: her youngest granddaughter, Blanche, shall be betrothed to Louis, so
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: she accompanies Blanche as far as the Valley of the Loire,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: where the Archbishop of Bordeaux takes over her as her escort.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: After that, Eleanor she heads to Fontevrode, where she has
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: to stay and rest because she's pretty, so much so
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that John actually comes and visits her, you know, just
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: in case. By twelve oh one. A year later, King
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: John of England and Philippe I of France there at war,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: and so the almost eighty year old Eleanor of Aquitaine
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: declares her support for her son John and sets forth
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: to Aquitaine. She does this so that she can prevent
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: her grandson, the Duke of Brittany, from taking control. Now
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: he discovers that she's in and when he finds out
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: that she's in the Castle of Mirble, lays siege upon
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: the castle in which she is residing. Again, nearly eighty
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: years old, Eleanor of Aquitaine commands the defense of a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: castle against the attacks of her own grandson, Arthur of Brittany,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: until John managed to send trips in.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: To basically quell it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: After this returns to fontiv Road, and after this Eleanor
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: is like, I'm done, I'm done rolling, I'm done with this.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: So she returns to fontiv Road where she takes the
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: veil as a nun, and on the first of April
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: twelve oh four, Eleanor of Aquitaine passes away, presumably from
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: old age, and so ends the life of Eleanor of Aquitaine,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Queen of France, Queen of England.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: A survivor of at least four.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Abduction attempts several battles, mother of at least ten children,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: including three kings, two queens, and becoming the great grandmother
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: of two cents. Oh I went in prisoned for sixteen
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: years and as an oap defended her castle against her
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: grandson needless to say and who, and at the end
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of it decided to become a nun. Now that now,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: when I tell now, when I told you she lived
• 37:59
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