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22 Panels Episode #231 - Copra Round Two · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Tyler Johnson: Like…
• 0:02
  Tyler Johnson: Hey everybody, welcome back to 22 Panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, and across the interwebs from me is Eddie the Cat.
• 0:17
  Tyler Johnson: And… Tad and Phil. Hey guys, how's it going?
• 0:21
  Phil: Hey.
• 0:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, it's going pretty good. Tyler, I have to ask you a question, though. Over your right shoulder, there's a…
• 0:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, left shoulder.
• 0:33
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 0:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yes. There's, like, a red thing that looks… it almost looks like a screen burn, but I know it's not. What actually is it? Because it's something in the background, not a screen burn.
• 0:46
  Tyler Johnson: It is a bucket for dirty diapers.
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, there we go.
• 0:50
  Tyler Johnson: I have it propped open like that, because it tends to smell all week. I see. I mean, we change it daily, but… Right.
• 0:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right, right, right.
• 0:58
  Tyler Johnson: So, it is airing out back there, you can see it propped at an angle, and then tomorrow I'll put a bag in it and get started with… Right!
• 1:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that makes sense, but just the particular angle that it was at, and the fact that, like, it was a deep orange in the middle, and a lighter orange on the outside, like, except for the fact that it wasn't changing, and it was… it's like, it looks like a screen burn. Yeah. But I know it's clearly not a screen burn, so what is that?
• 1:28
  Tyler Johnson: So as you can see behind me, you know, we do daycare in our house of that. My office here is also doubles for the changing room for the babies, because we.
• 1:39
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, okay.
• 1:40
  Tyler Johnson: We have to have diaper changing in a separate room for where the kids normally are allowed to…
• 1:45
  Tad Eggleston: Don't want the poop in the same room as the kids.
• 1:49
  Tyler Johnson: Nope, that is a no-no.
• 1:51
  Tad Eggleston: opportunities.
• 1:52
  Tad Eggleston: What can I…
• 1:53
  Tad Eggleston: What kind of backwards ass everything do you live in, that we keep the poop away from the food?
• 1:58
  Tyler Johnson: Did you see that?
• 2:00
  Tyler Johnson: That gate… that gate is taken down right now. Normally, it's over here, so the toys behind me on this side get played with, and the kids can't come over here to the diapers.
• 2:10
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so my question is, does RFK Jr. know that you're doing this newfangled health stuff?
• 2:18
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, no, I… Is it a bit of the…
• 2:21
  Tad Eggleston: Approved by the current… CDC.
• 2:25
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, man, listen to this. This is a true story. Someone came into my store the other day and was complaining about Trump, so I thought, they were an ally. No, no, no. They want RFK Jr. as president. And I was like… Yikes. What's what?
• 2:39
  Phil: I'm like.
• 2:39
  Tyler Johnson: That man's a… freak!
• 2:41
  Phil: Yeah, no.
• 2:42
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 2:44
  Phil: We need a president with less brain worms, not more.
• 2:47
  Tyler Johnson: Yo.
• 2:51
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, man.
• 2:52
  Tad Eggleston: Dementia for the brain worms? I don't… I don't know.
• 2:55
  Tyler Johnson: I was like, I had to hold my tongue, because they were a customer. I'm like, but did they need to.
• 3:01
  Tad Eggleston: be a customer.
• 3:03
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, you're right, but I… I have… I have to build my community first, right?
• 3:07
  Tad Eggleston: That's…
• 3:08
  Tyler Johnson: Comic stores are all about community, not really sales. I mean, once you build the community…
• 3:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 3:14
  Tyler Johnson: We'll.
• 3:14
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, then here's the thing, Tyler.
• 3:18
  Tad Eggleston: How do you prevent a bar from becoming a Nazi bar?
• 3:24
  Tyler Johnson: True.
• 3:25
  Phil: nonsense.
• 3:25
  Tyler Johnson: You kick out the Nazis. I get it.
• 3:27
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 3:28
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, the first Nazi…
• 3:31
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 3:32
  Phil: Yeah. Before they act unreasonably.
• 3:35
  Phil: I've heard a few stories of that.
• 3:36
  Tyler Johnson: It is pretty… it's pretty clear that my store is the unofficial LGBTQ headquarters in this area. Oh, awesome. Nice. This guy just didn't know what he was walking into. And then when he… then when he came in, there's literally, this was yesterday, there's literally 3 trans people…
• 3:53
  Tyler Johnson: Either one of them was playing D&D, one of them was coming in because he lives upstairs above my store, and the other one was a brand new person that I hadn't seen before, who was introducing themselves to me as trans, as this guy is telling me this, so it was really funny.
• 4:08
  Tad Eggleston: For… before he comes next time, you need to, like, create a Maha sign, but come up with new words for it, so, like…
• 4:21
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, oh, make America…
• 4:23
  Phil: Betty Farm.
• 4:23
  Tad Eggleston: make America human again.
• 4:26
  Phil: There you go.
• 4:28
  Phil: I'm just imagining what conspiracy theory that's a slogan for.
• 4:37
  Phil: Oh, no.
• 4:38
  Tad Eggleston: With some way to imply that kindness and sanity are… are preferable to…
• 4:45
  Phil: Well, no, in the sign for Mama, Make America Mutants Again.
• 4:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you could definitely have one of those again.
• 4:52
  Tyler Johnson: Yesterday, I… so we had… Laverne is very small, you guys, 5,000 people. And so yesterday, we did have 3 trans individuals in the store at the same time. And I said… I said to my wife, I said, this may be Laverne's record for most trans in a single space at the same time.
• 5:12
  Phil: There you go, it's breaking down.
• 5:13
  Tad Eggleston: Here's the biggest question. Do they even all live into La Verne? Because it may have been the entire La Verne trans population.
• 5:25
  Tad Eggleston: Also, friend from out of town.
• 5:27
  Tyler Johnson: I don't think it is. La Verne is very artsy and very culturally weird. However, we do… we are in a red part of the state, so Minnesota is blue, our corner, being so close to Iowa and South Dakota is red. La Verne itself is pretty blue, so, I mean, it's just…
• 5:45
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 5:46
  Tyler Johnson: Weird, you know?
• 5:48
  Phil: That's an interesting, interesting medley you got going on.
• 5:51
  Tad Eggleston: But, yeah, it took…
• 5:51
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, it's a constant back and forth over, like… That kind of stuff.
• 5:57
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 5:58
  Tad Eggleston: But I do think, Tyler, that, I mean, aside from,
• 6:03
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I hope you already have signs or stickers that indicate that it's a safe place for the people, that you want it to be a safe place. But putting… you know, coming up with something tongue-in-cheek to have up somewhere to, like, actually send the message to…
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: the… the…
• 6:23
  Tad Eggleston: the, like, actual MAGA people, not the… not the Trump hangers-on, that, this might not be your place.
• 6:32
  Tyler Johnson: I know. It's always funny when people come in that you definitely know that they're not on board with your,
• 6:41
  Tyler Johnson: particular…
• 6:43
  Tad Eggleston: I just mean that it allows it to be a situation where, like, they walk in and go, oh…
• 6:49
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe I should just leave. Just leave. Rather than the possibility that you have to deal with any sort of…
• 6:59
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 7:00
  Tad Eggleston: inanity.
• 7:01
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 7:03
  Tyler Johnson: I get it.
• 7:04
  Tad Eggleston: This is where I will actually plug a new comic shop in Chicago that I finally got down to yesterday, Sheepcolt Comics.
• 7:11
  Tyler Johnson: Sheep, which is comics.
• 7:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, which is actually, it's on Milwaukee Avenue, pretty much right between…
• 7:20
  Tad Eggleston: Challengers and, and Quimbies, so, so, like, we're creating a comics district. Nice. Myopic Books is, is down there, too.
• 7:31
  Tad Eggleston: It's a nice, nice, nice place for readers to go, and find good stuff, and…
• 7:37
  Tad Eggleston: good food, and etc, and they had the, super exclusive Expo 2 yesterday, so they crammed in, like.
• 7:47
  Tad Eggleston: A dozen young, up-and-coming indie comic people.
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: That's awesome.
• 7:55
  Tyler Johnson: Don't mean to interrupt, it's literally on the tip of my brain. Can you contact Dave Chisholm about coming back for… is Ted okay?
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I need to.
• 8:06
  Tyler Johnson: I keep forgetting. He and I were, connecting on Facebook the other day, and I said, we have a joke about him doing a cover about, is Tad okay? And he goes, oh, I love Tad, I gotta get back on that show. And I'm like, okay, so you should reach out.
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: I… I will, start writing that email right now. Yeah.
• 8:30
  Tad Eggleston: So, some, some comic news,
• 8:35
  Tad Eggleston: Did you guys see the… the Matt Kint Oni…
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: 100% human-made. Apparently, somebody made a call for logos for 100% human-made, and a number of them have been going out into the field.
• 8:50
  Tad Eggleston: And, and… Matt's is pretty cool.
• 8:54
  Tad Eggleston: I don't ask.
• 8:55
  Tyler Johnson: It only happened about it.
• 8:56
  Tyler Johnson: Out of luck right now.
• 8:58
  Tad Eggleston: Somebody should look it up and share their screen.
• 9:00
  Tad Eggleston: Or I can share my screen in a second, but right now, I'm looking for Dave Chisholm's email address, so that I don't forget. If I have… if I have the thing, like.
• 9:12
  Tad Eggleston: open, I am less likely to… Forget to actually… .
• 9:24
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so I think this is Matt Kent's logo. It's got a hand with the,
• 9:30
  Tad Eggleston: Hand with an eye.
• 9:32
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I'm gonna… how do I share my screen?
• 9:36
  Tyler Johnson: Video… nope, that's not it.
• 9:40
  Tyler Johnson: Share.
• 9:42
  Phil: Right next to, React.
• 9:44
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I sent you a request to share, Tad.
• 9:49
  Tad Eggleston: I'll reopen that screen. I'm certain that this is fascinating for our listeners.
• 9:54
  Tyler Johnson: I know, I know. What we're doing is looking on the internet.
• 9:57
  Tad Eggleston: Talk amongst yourselves!
• 9:59
  Tyler Johnson: Perfect.
• 10:00
  Phil: For our temporally displaced listeners, I'm sure you'll have some sort of technological advancements to pull a screen share out of an audio file, but we don't have that yet.
• 10:10
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 10:11
  Tyler Johnson: Did it come… did my request come?
• 10:13
  Tad Eggleston: I thought I hit yes.
• 10:15
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so here we go.
• 10:17
  Tyler Johnson: What do you guys see?
• 10:20
  Tyler Johnson: There, I see it. My screen. Yeah, there it is.
• 10:22
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 10:22
  Tyler Johnson: So, the logo is a hand-drawn logo, which is very cool, because it's got that kind of, like.
• 10:29
  Phil: It's a hand-drawn hand.
• 10:31
  Tyler Johnson: It's a hand-drawn hand with the.
• 10:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's pretty clear that the circle's hand-drawn, too. I don't… I think… I think Matt made the decision not to even use, like…
• 10:46
  Tad Eggleston: Compass or tracing tools here.
• 10:49
  Phil: Interesting.
• 10:50
  Tyler Johnson: Correct. Yep, it looked very much just… he sat down, did his circles.
• 10:55
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 10:56
  Tyler Johnson: And then, you know, even that lettering is very cool.
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: I like it.
• 11:00
  Tyler Johnson: It's 100%…
• 11:01
  Phil: So…
• 11:01
  Tyler Johnson: 100% hand… human-made. I love it. Alright, let's stop shooting.
• 11:05
  Tad Eggleston: 100% certified human-made.
• 11:08
  Tad Eggleston: Because, obviously, this is… this is becoming a thing, where… well, and actually, like, the idea is what…
• 11:17
  Tad Eggleston: what they're… you know, you've got, like, Fair Trade Coffee. You know, what their hope is…
• 11:25
  Tad Eggleston: That there can be a symbol and some sort of…
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: Limited governing body to, like, certify and…
• 11:35
  Tad Eggleston: You know, for artistic things, to be able to, like, here's your way to know this was…
• 11:43
  Tad Eggleston: This was just… this was made for real.
• 11:45
  Tyler Johnson: So, here's my bamboo that I'm working on. I've just started stippling. Ted, you probably know what stippling is, being married to an artist.
• 11:53
  Phil: I know stuff, like…
• 11:54
  Tyler Johnson: I've just started working on my stippling skills.
• 11:57
  Phil: Oh, that's awesome.
• 11:57
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, nice.
• 12:00
  Tyler Johnson: I enjoyed it. Anyway…
• 12:01
  Tad Eggleston: That's nice.
• 12:02
  Tad Eggleston: Human-made bamboo is what Tyler just decided to.
• 12:06
  Tyler Johnson: Human… human bamboo.
• 12:09
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 12:11
  Tad Eggleston: The next thing I wanted to talk about, and I gotta… I hope that we qualify, because this would be a really, possibly…
• 12:20
  Tad Eggleston: Very,
• 12:25
  Tad Eggleston: advantageous way for us to be able to get ahold of people. There is a social network slash database being launched
• 12:36
  Tad Eggleston: Called Comic Booked.
• 12:38
  Tad Eggleston: To connect creators, to… to…
• 12:46
  Tad Eggleston: Be kind of a repository of information, business directories, That sort of thing. Called Comic Booked.
• 12:58
  Tad Eggleston: So, Heidi McDonald's got a pretty good write-up of it. Worker-owned, community-governed, harassment-free, no algorithm, black-centered.
• 13:08
  Tad Eggleston: And this is something that was on my radar already, I think somebody even sent me a thing on it a while ago.
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: But,
• 13:19
  Tad Eggleston: -Oh.
• 13:21
  Tad Eggleston: Actually…
• 13:23
  Tyler Johnson: What's up?
• 13:25
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, no, no, that's just filling… actually, let me check.
• 13:33
  Tad Eggleston: No, it doesn't look like I made an account already.
• 13:36
  Tad Eggleston: I would have laughed, it's like, oh, not only did somebody send me a thing, we have an account. And it just, it was still small enough that I hadn't…
• 13:46
  Tad Eggleston: We'll play with that. But yeah, it looks like… it looks like it's a… Currently in beta…
• 13:59
  Tad Eggleston: organized strictly for… Comics and industry-adjacent prose.
• 14:13
  Tad Eggleston: social network… Type site.
• 14:16
  Tyler Johnson: That's cool.
• 14:17
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 14:17
  Phil: Understand.
• 14:18
  Tad Eggleston: Definitely, definitely. I mean, it's definitely something that I've thought about a lot,
• 14:25
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I think it would be really handy to have more ways for comic shop owners to… to…
• 14:35
  Tad Eggleston: tradecraft, it would be helpful to have more ways for…
• 14:44
  Tad Eggleston: Shop owners to get in touch with.
• 14:47
  Tad Eggleston: Creators, for creators to get in touch with each other.
• 14:50
  Tad Eggleston: for… Podcasters to find creators, you know, that sort of thing.
• 14:57
  Tad Eggleston: Without having to, to, to climb through the crazy…
• 15:05
  Tyler Johnson: The cesspool that is the internet. Right.
• 15:10
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, God.
• 15:11
  Phil: Hi, Mitch.
• 15:12
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 15:13
  Phil: That was probably born out of, as… as people were, migrating from social media service to social media service. It'd be nice to have, you know, a dedicated corner for comics, that there's not a continual,
• 15:25
  Phil: You know, migration.
• 15:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:29
  Tyler Johnson: Nope.
• 15:29
  Tad Eggleston: Dent, that, that's… That is definitely my, my… guess. Yeah. Because…
• 15:45
  Tad Eggleston: like… but I imagine there's also,
• 15:51
  Tad Eggleston: An element of it where it's… it's… beyond just…
• 16:02
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, I know the other reason that this had been on my radar is I want to try to bring the team in.
• 16:13
  Tad Eggleston: Because… Let's see here, I'm falling down rabbit holes. I need to stop.
• 16:22
  Tyler Johnson: Ted!
• 16:22
  Tad Eggleston: I need to stop.
• 16:23
  Tyler Johnson: Listeners, Tad is on the internet looking for some information.
• 16:26
  Tad Eggleston: Ted is looking at comic booked right now.
• 16:31
  Phil: Tad lately. He's, he's lost the internet somewhere.
• 16:36
  Tyler Johnson: So while you're looking for that.
• 16:39
  Tad Eggleston: No, I managed to go away. Because it's just such an interesting idea, and I think one that the industry has been in…
• 16:47
  Tad Eggleston: need of for a long time, so it's great, you know, I mean, I often think a lot… I mean, you guys know this, I think a lot about, like, what businesses or services could be created that would make lots of people in the industry.
• 17:02
  Phil: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Tyler Johnson: live.
• 17:04
  Tad Eggleston: lives easier.
• 17:05
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 17:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know? Yup.
• 17:10
  Tad Eggleston: So, if there… if there's a lightly gatekeeped, or lightly gate-kept, like, industry only… space.
• 17:21
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 17:22
  Tad Eggleston: That could be huge.
• 17:23
  Phil: I'll be happy to, read more about that article, because it, you know, the… I think one of the biggest questions and hurdles for something like that in the past has always been.
• 17:32
  Phil: who is the one, you know, keeping that gate? Who's the one maintaining the space? Those sorts of things. So, yeah, it'd be interesting to, to have a steadfast, you know, long-term little corner.
• 17:46
  Tad Eggleston: Right. So, anyway, what kind of week has it been?
• 17:50
  Phil: Oh, boy.
• 17:51
  Tyler Johnson: Pretty good one. I am just gonna…
• 17:55
  Tad Eggleston: I am just gonna throw out, like, the two… The two questions that…
• 18:03
  Tad Eggleston: have word in my head, and then I'm gonna, like, try to shut the hell up, and let you guys just ponder the questions. But this week, like, when I'm…
• 18:16
  Tad Eggleston: reading, like, say, the President's actual words.
• 18:21
  Tad Eggleston: Or… The actual words of the government of Iran, or… you know.
• 18:31
  Tad Eggleston: Again, let's say just, like, news.
• 18:35
  Tad Eggleston: factual stuff.
• 18:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 18:41
  Tad Eggleston: The thought that goes through my head is.
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: Are we taking this seriously enough?
• 18:48
  Tyler Johnson: Most of us? No. Well, I mean.
• 18:51
  Phil: Oh.
• 18:51
  Tad Eggleston: Well, let me finish, because on the other side, and this is kind of your answer, and kind of my dichotomy, when I'm walking around in the world, and it's…
• 19:04
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty normal, except for gas prices being higher.
• 19:08
  Tad Eggleston: It's like…
• 19:10
  Tad Eggleston: Or am I the one, like, in the Twilight Zone overreacting? How bad is it, really? I mean, gas prices are up, but, like, are we in danger?
• 19:22
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I know how I think I feel, but it's just a weird…
• 19:27
  Tad Eggleston: dichotomy to go between, okay, like, if you actually allow yourself to think about news and politics and social…
• 19:38
  Tad Eggleston: contracts, social… What's the word I'm looking for?
• 19:47
  Tyler Johnson: Well, okay, can I…
• 19:49
  Tad Eggleston: I don't even know, I'll just let you guys.
• 19:51
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, so what I honestly feel that things are so bad that many people that do realize how bad it is are like, well, I still have to live my life.
• 20:02
  Tyler Johnson: live it as normal as I can until I can't.
• 20:06
  Phil: Yeah, I think that…
• 20:08
  Phil: I think that there's… there's a lot of that going on. I… I think it's also just that, like.
• 20:14
  Phil: people… People buff… you know…
• 20:18
  Phil: when I was young, there was always the, oh, don't talk about politics at work sort of thing, you know?
• 20:24
  Tyler Johnson: Politics or religion.
• 20:25
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, and I feel like… I feel like that's gotten even more entrenched over the past, you know.
• 20:33
  Phil: 10 years, to where…
• 20:36
  Tad Eggleston: Secondary query, has that gotten more entrenched, or has the definition of politics expanded?
• 20:42
  Phil: I think the definition of politics has definitely expanded. But when I say entrenched, I mean that, like, there's… there… I think that there's less…
• 20:52
  Phil: Like, friendly debate, because the debate gets so hostile so quick.
• 20:57
  Phil: And so, it becomes kind of a secretive, like, feeling out, okay, who agrees with me, who doesn't agree with me, and, like, keeping aware of that as you need to. But then because of that,
• 21:08
  Phil: you know, that just leads to a mentality of stifling political talk, so it's almost like anyone who might…
• 21:17
  Tad Eggleston: or participating in Circle Jerks.
• 21:19
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So either, either people are just gonna…
• 21:23
  Phil: gather around and be like, oh, did you see this crazy shit? Or…
• 21:27
  Phil: they're just not gonna talk about it, because having to talk about it means having to deal with it. And I don't know about your guys' job, but there's too many… there's too many other things to do to worry about that when you're there. So, yeah, I really think that America as a whole is in kind of, like, a…
• 21:46
  Phil: we're kind of sleepwalking still, and I mean, you know, between the economy.
• 21:58
  Phil: Being a weird fucking thing that's, you know, on the verge of a bubble bursting.
• 22:03
  Phil: Perpetually these days.
• 22:05
  Phil: combined with, okay, shit, people need to actually… I, I, because I think the mentality is, like.
• 22:12
  Phil: I would hope that people who think like me also think, hey, somebody needs to do something about this. And then the question as to who that somebody is, is, you know.
• 22:23
  Phil: Slow and not always visible.
• 22:27
  Phil: And… and while I'm hoping that
• 22:31
  Phil: more things start happening and rolling in a positive direction. It's hard to even imagine what that is.
• 22:38
  Phil: You know?
• 22:41
  Tyler Johnson: You're like, I get it.
• 22:41
  Phil: it feels completely idyllic and fanciful, where it's like, alright, what needs to happen? Completely remove this administration, replace it with… with…
• 22:49
  Phil: new things, you know, kick out over half the government, completely restructure it, and then it's like, oh, I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 22:56
  Phil: That sounds… that sounds like… Like a fairy tale, almost.
• 23:00
  Tyler Johnson: Agreed. Agreed. We got an uphill battle, man, but…
• 23:03
  Phil: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Tyler Johnson: We can't let people become complacent.
• 23:07
  Phil: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Tyler Johnson: I, I, I mean, like, that's…
• 23:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's… that… I mean, that was a…
• 23:13
  Tad Eggleston: one of the points that Gailey and I were talking about on Friday was, like…
• 23:17
  Tad Eggleston: Contentment is the enemy of fascism.
• 23:20
  Tad Eggleston: And that's… I believe that's absolutely true. If people are actually content, it's hard to turn them into fascists. On the flip side, contentment is… is, also…
• 23:39
  Tad Eggleston: The enemy of… of vigilance?
• 23:43
  Phil: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So, so it's a lot… I mean, if you've got those long-growing seeds, it's a lot easier to plant them when everybody's content.
• 23:54
  Tad Eggleston: And then the next thing you know, the government has been…
• 23:59
  Tad Eggleston: Pulled apart from the inside, and things aren't good, and you're not content anymore, and people are offering you fascist options.
• 24:07
  Phil: Right, and I think that… The average person is… is so removed from… World politics in general.
• 24:18
  Phil: that… It's… it's easy to, you know…
• 24:24
  Phil: Read the crazy shit the president is saying, and just kind of, you know?
• 24:32
  Tyler Johnson: off.
• 24:33
  Phil: yeah, laugh it off, or do whatever… think about it in whatever way you do to survive, you know? Yeah. But I… I… the way I've thought of it is that I feel like I'm at the point where
• 24:44
  Phil: Watching his actions, reading his words, it's like staring into the sun.
• 24:49
  Phil: You know?
• 24:51
  Tyler Johnson: So, the people that support him, what do you think they make of his posts? When they see all of the…
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, he's losing some… some…
• 25:02
  Phil: It's a hard question, majors.
• 25:04
  Tad Eggleston: orders, so it's even harder to… I mean, when you've got Megyn Kelly going on about why can't he just be a normal human being?
• 25:17
  Tyler Johnson: We've been saying this since 2015.
• 25:20
  Tad Eggleston: I understand. When you've got Marjorie Taylor Greene going on Alex Jones to talk about, this isn't the man we supported anymore.
• 25:31
  Phil: Right, right. When you've lost Alex Jones, that complete maniac, which is like, I'm sorry, who's let him in front of a mic again? You know, I thought…
• 25:40
  Tyler Johnson: Like, on bed.
• 25:40
  Tad Eggleston: Unfortunately, he never left the mic.
• 25:43
  Phil: I'm sure, but…
• 25:44
  Tyler Johnson: still have… he doesn't have InfoWars anymore, right?
• 25:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, he does, it's still caught up in… Actually, I, like, and this is another email I need to send out, along with the Dave Chisholm one. I connected with people from The Onion at C2E2.
• 25:58
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 25:58
  Phil: That's awesome.
• 25:59
  Tad Eggleston: So we totally need to bring them in to have the conversation about When are they.
• 26:05
  Phil: When they're hiring us?
• 26:06
  Tad Eggleston: co-wars.
• 26:07
  Phil: Oh, I would love for them to take over InfoWars. That's even more exciting. You did own it.
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't know that…
• 26:12
  Phil: I thought so, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:13
  Tad Eggleston: They, like, it's still tied up in court, but I don't think they've left.
• 26:19
  Phil: Oh, that'd be hilarious. I love the onions.
• 26:21
  Tyler Johnson: They bought it when it was up, and…
• 26:24
  Tyler Johnson: Nothing's happened with it so far.
• 26:26
  Tad Eggleston: Well, because… He's curiously well-funded for somebody who's supposed to be bankrupt.
• 26:36
  Phil: Oh, yeah. And… and, I mean, along all of those lines, like, it's… it's just… it's clear that there is a shift happening, you know? That… that there are Republicans trying to shift away from Trump, but, like.
• 26:52
  Phil: it's… it's not fast enough, and I… I don't know…
• 26:57
  Phil: You know, it… it's hard… it's hard to imagine
• 27:01
  Phil: what the world is gonna be like after he's gone, you know? Because it's just so…
• 27:09
  Phil: Fucking crazy right now.
• 27:12
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 27:13
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, we don't know, I mean, like, who's next that's gonna take his spot? Because, you know, it's not gonna just go away.
• 27:18
  Phil: people.
• 27:19
  Tyler Johnson: People have seen that their crazy, ideals on, segregation, racism, whatever, I mean, all of those things, there's a utopia possible for them.
• 27:32
  Phil: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Tyler Johnson: Almost achieved it! We can do this!
• 27:35
  Tad Eggleston: That's another recent conversation that I've had. Remember when, like…
• 27:40
  Tad Eggleston: People were embarrassed to be overtly racist in public?
• 27:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yes?
• 27:47
  Tyler Johnson: No.
• 27:48
  Tad Eggleston: It's a nice time.
• 27:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, and now, so many people got so.
• 27:52
  Tad Eggleston: Now it's like, I haven't hung anybody this week, I'm not a racist.
• 27:57
  Tyler Johnson: Right?
• 27:57
  Phil: Yeah, it's pretty… and that's… along those lines, I guess, you know, it's hard for me to imagine what Trump supporters are thinking, because I haven't talked to an actual legitimate Trump supporter in… I don't know how long.
• 28:09
  Tyler Johnson: You know?
• 28:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:11
  Tyler Johnson: My next door neighbors are, you know what I mean? This is my… my life.
• 28:15
  Phil: I've had to interact with people at work who I'm sure have voted for him, but I haven't talked to them about politics in long enough to know what they're thinking.
• 28:25
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and there's also a growing rift between have voted for him and supporters.
• 28:31
  Phil: Exactly. You know, there's.
• 28:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's always been more of a rift than we talk about. I think we always underplay how
• 28:40
  Tad Eggleston: unpopular the Democratic Party is, either for its, like, plastic ineptness, or because the right has done a really, really good job of making it out to be the party of the devil. Yeah.
• 28:57
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, if you feel like your choice is between Donald Trump and Satan.
• 29:05
  Phil: Might I advocate for Satan?
• 29:07
  Tad Eggleston: like… you feel like Donald Trump is the lesser of two evils. I think that's one of the brilliance of…
• 29:13
  Phil: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 29:14
  Tad Eggleston: South Park.
• 29:16
  Phil: I don't think… I don't think Satan's quite as bad as Donald, okay?
• 29:19
  Tad Eggleston: Well, like I said, that's one of the brilliance of the way South Park portrayed that, is to go, yeah, you know, even if you think it's between Donald Trump and Satan, maybe, just maybe…
• 29:34
  Phil: I mean…
• 29:36
  Phil: No one's ever gonna write anything as compelling as Paradise Lost about Donald Trump. That's just not gonna happen.
• 29:42
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 29:44
  Tyler Johnson: Nope.
• 29:44
  Tad Eggleston: Are you kidding?
• 29:45
  Phil: It's too late!
• 29:46
  Tad Eggleston: You read The Art of the Deal?
• 29:49
  Phil: Oh!
• 29:51
  Tyler Johnson: God!
• 29:52
  Tyler Johnson: Let's move on to comic stuff?
• 29:54
  Tad Eggleston: I think that's a good idea. If there's ever…
• 29:56
  Phil: are due April 20th.
• 29:58
  Tad Eggleston: Third.
• 29:59
  Phil: Burn it on site.
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: Initial orders are due April 23rd. Let's talk some new comic series. Tyler, you want to lead us off?
• 30:07
  Tyler Johnson: I was about to, but now I just lost my screen for Giant Robot Hellboy. Give me a second.
• 30:13
  Tad Eggleston: Giant Robot Hellboy returns.
• 30:16
  Tyler Johnson: Yep. Help those… What?
• 30:19
  Phil: No, sorry, you go ahead.
• 30:20
  Tyler Johnson: Hellboy's robot counterpart is back, but he is not the same. Scientists comb the deep sea for any sign of giant robot Hellboy after his disappearance, but find more than they bargained for when an interdimensional portal threatens to pull them in
• 30:37
  Tyler Johnson: Or let monsters of unknown origin out.
• 30:41
  Tyler Johnson: A new two-parter that continues the story from the giant robot Hellboy, and connects more deeply to the Hellboy and BPRD lore. This is going, Mike Mignola, of course, and then, illustrated by Duncan for Grado.
• 30:57
  Tyler Johnson: And we'll, have a final order cutoff of June 15th, and we'll be in stores July 22nd.
• 31:05
  Tyler Johnson: Oof!
• 31:06
  Tad Eggleston: Alrighty.
• 31:08
  Tad Eggleston: Justice League Dreamgirls.
• 31:12
  Tad Eggleston: a DC Pride event.
• 31:16
  Tad Eggleston: DC award-winning Pride Celebration is back in an all-new format. Written by Jadzia Axelrod, Nicole Maines, and Greg Rucko, with art by Nicola Scott, J. Bone, and Brant and Stein, and Claire Rowe, fresh off the events of the Justice League Intergalactic Special, Dreamer and Galaxy, suddenly awake, and…
• 31:34
  Tad Eggleston: on the island of Themyscira.
• 31:37
  Tad Eggleston: Living their best lives as princess and champion of the Amazons. But wait!
• 31:43
  Tad Eggleston: Weren't they just having a blowout friendship fight in the Watchtower? Right in front of half the league?
• 31:48
  Tad Eggleston: And who's this mysterious man that just washed up on the shores, insisting Dreamer leave paradise with him to save the world?
• 31:57
  Tad Eggleston: Why does this heroic origin story and its increasingly strange and shifting landscape feel both familiar and wrong all at once? It's almost like they're lost in a dream, also featuring a backup.
• 32:13
  Tad Eggleston: Batwoman story from Greg Rocca and Claire Rowe. This is in stores on June 3rd, with a final order cutoff of May 11th.
• 32:25
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome.
• 32:27
  Tad Eggleston: You need me to share the screen, don't you, Phil?
• 32:30
  Phil: You don't? I actually pulled up my.
• 32:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, you.
• 32:33
  Phil: I do. I've got here, A Mischief of Magpies, number one, from Simon Spurrier and Matthias Bergara for the third time now. We're soliciting.
• 32:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like this has come out multiple times already.
• 32:48
  Phil: Well, it is… it has not come out yet. It has been solicited a few times. I know.
• 32:52
  Tad Eggleston: I know.
• 32:52
  Phil: You know, and recently, recently put, put back on the schedule. But this is, you know, Distillery recently, took a step back, and now they are, you know, stuff back on the schedule again. So the, the…
• 33:05
  Phil: Solicitation for this is, Marr has a secret. Sometimes, without warning, he falls out of the world.
• 33:11
  Phil: This would be an inconvenience if his life wasn't already such a drag.
• 33:15
  Phil: When he's gone, he finds himself in an extraordinary city. A city which is also a machine endlessly crossing a shoreless ocean. A city of two halves, the bright, bustling spires above the waves, and the beast-haunted twilight halls below. And between clowning along
• 33:31
  Phil: Clowning along the rusting beach, a troop of
• 33:34
  Phil: anarchic magpies, with all the answers, but none of the questions. And that is going to be, again, from the team behind Step by Buddy, Step, and Coda. Gonna have a final order cutoff of May 25th, on sale July 15th. Hopefully, fingers crossed, third time's a charm. I am very excited for this series. If you guys haven't read Step by Buddy Step, it is
• 33:57
  Phil: Really great, and probably the best wordless comic to come out in a while.
• 34:02
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I thought you wrote the best wordless comic to come out in a while.
• 34:05
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, it's wordless?
• 34:08
  Phil: Well, they do have words, but they're not English words.
• 34:11
  Tyler Johnson: I'm just teasing.
• 34:14
  Phil: That's…
• 34:14
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, moving on to graphic novels, I've got betas up here, and in, talking about hand-drawn, the cover of betas here is definitely hand-drawn. This is by Nick Mondeg.
• 34:28
  Tyler Johnson: Roommates Xavier, Doug, and Tim are just regular guys trying to make it on the dating scene. Meeting women isn't easy, they might even call it impossible. Changing social mores, dating apps, and good old-fashioned
• 34:43
  Tyler Johnson: Shyness, cause, misstep after misstep. Recent mixed signals at the restaurant, all three work at cause.
• 34:51
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, recent mixed signals at the restaurant all three work at cause a cascading series of rules and regulations putting everyone on edge. Some people adapt, others dig their heels in, fleshing out a hilarious comedy about modern communication, where bad faith arguments and self-serving directives clash leading
• 35:11
  Tyler Johnson: Leading to HR reprimands and ever-expanding apologies. As friends and coworkers struggle to connect under these conditions.
• 35:19
  Tyler Johnson: conditions some people… some become lovers, while others become mortal enemies. In betas, Nick Mondig lampoons popular ideas around free speech, consent, and scold culture, all while asking.
• 35:32
  Tyler Johnson: Can ever learn to talk… can…
• 35:36
  Tyler Johnson: Can we, probably, ever learn to talk to one another? And can we ever feel safe? Final order cutoff will be May 18th, and will be in shops June 10th.
• 35:49
  Phil: Great, next up we've got…
• 35:51
  Phil: Face Meat from Bontan Taro. A headless, busty blonde, a face-stealing psychopath, a sleazy serial killer sculptor, a horny, handsome hunchback, a vengeful, caterpillar cuckold.
• 36:04
  Phil: A torturous hangover in the pits of hell. Welcome to the raunchy and grisly world of face meat.
• 36:11
  Phil: From the decadent imagination of outlaw polymath Bontantaro, ex-kamikaze ex-Yakuza singer, songwriter, actor, world-famous tattooist, husband of seven, and underappreciated pioneer of pinky violence, femme fatales, and adult horror.
• 36:29
  Tyler Johnson: find us.
• 36:30
  Phil: pinky violets. While Mizuki, Shigeru and Umes Kazuo were paving the way for horror in shounen and shoujo magazines in the 1960s, Bonten was secretly doing the same in erotic men's rags.
• 36:45
  Phil: And the results are as trashy as you'd expect. With an essay by Bonton Booster and B. Gakiga expert.
• 36:53
  Phil: Kunisawa Hiroshi Face Meat includes 14 hair and pants raising stories that have never before been assembled under a single cover in any language.
• 37:04
  Phil: Face Me is the fourth volume of Smudge, a line of vintage horror, occult, and dark fantasy manga curated and translated by award-winning historian Ryan Holmberg. That's gonna have a final order cutoff of May 25th in stores June 3rd from Uncivilized Books.
• 37:24
  Tyler Johnson: Interesting. Looks good.
• 37:26
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna stick with the ends of lies, with truth is fragmentary, raw, bare-boned, scathingly funny dispatches from the renowned comic
• 37:35
  Tad Eggleston: diarist Gabriel Bell, with biting cultural commentary mixed with her signature.
• 37:41
  Tad Eggleston: Introspective, self-deprecating humor and surreal digressions from car-driving bears through zombie apocalypses to cute babies and more bears. As she visits France, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Colombia, back to Brooklyn, and finally landing in upstate New York.
• 37:57
  Tad Eggleston: In Truth is Fragmentary, Gabriel Bell proves she can be funny.
• 38:02
  Tad Eggleston: Gabriel Bell was born in England and raised in California. Her work has been selected for the 2007, 9, and 10 Best American
• 38:10
  Tad Eggleston: comics, and the Yale Anthology of Graphic Fiction. And she's contributed to McSweeney's Book Forum, The Believer, and Vice. The title story of Bell's book.
• 38:20
  Tad Eggleston: Cecil and Jordan in New York has been adapted for the film anthology Tokyo by Michael Gondry.
• 38:28
  Tad Eggleston: Her latest book, The Voyeurs, was selected as one of the top 5 graphic novels of 2012 by Publishers Weekly. She lives in Brooklyn, New York, refreshingly revelatory and charmingly accessible. This book flows up the previous autobiographical comics Lucky and The Voyeurs.
• 38:47
  Tad Eggleston: Or follows up, yeah, and easily solidifies Bell's reputation as one of the greatest autobiographical cartoonists working. Publisher Weekly… Publisher's Weekly Starred Review!
• 39:00
  Tad Eggleston: This is also from Uncivilized, with a final order cutoff of May 4th, and in stores on June 3rd.
• 39:09
  Tyler Johnson: Man, these write-ups are kind of tough to get through.
• 39:12
  Tad Eggleston: Someday. Some sparks.
• 39:13
  Tyler Johnson: As far as their writing goes.
• 39:14
  Phil: Lots of words.
• 39:15
  Tad Eggleston: So, so let's, let's, let's talk some collections. Phil!
• 39:20
  Phil: Alright, first up we've got Albion, hardcover, from a few folks you might have heard of. Alan Moore, Leah Moore, John Repian, Shane Oakley, and George Freeman, with a cover by Dave Gibbons. The Spider, The Steel Claw, Grimly, Fiendish, Captain Hurricane.
• 39:39
  Phil: Born in the pages of Lion, Valiant, Smash, and Wham.
• 39:43
  Phil: These are some of the most beloved characters in the history of British comics, but what if they were all real people? Danny, a keen comics enthusiast, and his new friend Penny go in search of the long-missing heroes and villains from the classic comics of the past. But where have they been all these years? And what happens if they find them?
• 40:02
  Phil: From the mind of the legendary Alan Moore, with scripts by Leah Moore and John Repian, and art by Shane Oakley. This is gonna have a final order cutoff of April 27th, so that's coming up soon, and gonna be in stores June 17th from Rebellion.
• 40:19
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome. Next up for, collections, we're gonna talk about the Illuminati, from Brian Edward, art by Dennis Cowan and Bill Sankiewicz. When Lily…
• 40:32
  Tad Eggleston: Brian Edward Hill.
• 40:34
  Tyler Johnson: What's that? What am I saying?
• 40:35
  Tad Eggleston: Edward Hill. You just said Brian Edward.
• 40:38
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, did I?
• 40:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:40
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, boy.
• 40:41
  Tad Eggleston: He's not eponymous.
• 40:42
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, when Lily travels to Los Angeles to investigate the mysterious death of her twin sister, an up-and-coming hip-hop artist, she begins uncovering connections that reach far beyond the music industry.
• 40:55
  Tyler Johnson: What starts as a search for answers becomes a descent into a world where influence can be manufactured. Success comes with consequences, and long-rumored power structures may be more real than anyone wants to admit.
• 41:10
  Tyler Johnson: This has a final order cutoff of May 11th, and will be in shops on July 15th.
• 41:18
  Tyler Johnson: let's see here, I think I've…
• 41:21
  Tad Eggleston: This is true.
• 41:21
  Tyler Johnson: AWA.
• 41:25
  Tad Eggleston: The New Space Age, from Kenny Porter and Mike Becker. Disgraced astronaut Mark Mitchell has only ever had one true mission, to find his little brother Joey, who was abducted by aliens from a crop circle when they were little.
• 41:39
  Tad Eggleston: But when Mark's hotshot piloting gets him grounded in the last of the public space program defunded, Mark loses his only means of finding Joey out in space.
• 41:48
  Tad Eggleston: Until Mark's homemade scanning rig discovers the shocking truth about the crop circles, their instructions for space travel. Mark will need to uncover the hidden messages that have been left on Earth for years and reverse engineer the magic that can finally help him.
• 42:04
  Tad Eggleston: Find Joey. This is a final order cut off of May 11th, and in stores June 3rd for Mad Cave Books.
• 42:16
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler, you want to give us some final order cutoffs for April 20th?
• 42:21
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, of course.
• 42:23
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, so we have bad thoughts coming up. Number one, from Andy Parks and Dave Wachter from Ignition. That'll be May 27th. Destination Kill from Joe Palmer, out from Onei on May 13th.
• 42:39
  Tyler Johnson: Did you hear about Mimi Green from Connor Goldsmith and Josh Cornelin?
• 42:45
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, I think that's right. Cornelong. From Dark Horse on May 27th, and the JLA slash Avengers. This is a reprint Fascimile Edition from Kurt Busiak, George Perez from DC Marvel on May 27th.
• 43:01
  Tad Eggleston: If you've always wanted to read the series and haven't been able to pay for the really expensive back issues, or the slightly less expensive, memorial omnibus that they put out, what, right after George Perez died? This is your opportunity to get JLA Avengers at a affordable…
• 43:21
  Tyler Johnson: I think 4.
• 43:22
  Tad Eggleston: $5.99 price point.
• 43:24
  Tad Eggleston: And they are reprinting, I think, all six issues.
• 43:28
  Tyler Johnson: Well, they've been a bit…
• 43:29
  Phil: I think it was.
• 43:29
  Tyler Johnson: big on that lately, about reprinting class.
• 43:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, all four, but yeah.
• 43:33
  Phil: Yeah. Sorry. No, that was.
• 43:35
  Tad Eggleston: Whatever.
• 43:36
  Phil: I was only able to read that one through interlibrary alone, so it was pretty memorable.
• 43:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 43:41
  Tyler Johnson: Right. Do you guys… do you guys notice how Marvel and DC are reprinting a lot of old, classic stories lately? I mean, there's several a week, it's crazy.
• 43:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yep. They have been for a while.
• 43:54
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, ma'am.
• 43:55
  Tad Eggleston: There's clearly a market for it. The only times I've ever been… I mean, I think I bought a couple.
• 43:59
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, too.
• 44:01
  Tad Eggleston: What I've really been tempted, overall, have been, like.
• 44:06
  Tad Eggleston: I almost grabbed the new version of Secret Wars, and then I reminded myself…
• 44:11
  Tad Eggleston: You have 3 of the original versions of Secret Wars.
• 44:15
  Phil: All 12 issues?
• 44:17
  Tyler Johnson: Mr.
• 44:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you don't need the facility.
• 44:19
  Phil: Similar heat.
• 44:21
  Phil: That's funny. That's great.
• 44:22
  Tyler Johnson: That's awesome.
• 44:25
  Tad Eggleston: But I actually do like it that they're doing full… you know, I think I might actually grab the Dark Knight ones that they're doing right now. I like… I like it better that they're doing full arcs now, rather than…
• 44:39
  Phil: Just one random image.
• 44:40
  Tad Eggleston: Just that. Oh, you can't afford the first appearance of Hulk! Buy the first appearance of Hulk Facimile Edition.
• 44:48
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah. But trout some kid into thinking they have a priceless treasure.
• 44:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 44:54
  Tyler Johnson: I usually warn kids, because, like, I have… or adults, because even adults who are just getting into it are going, oh, wow, this is the first appearance of Wolverine, and I'm going, no, you see that $4.99 on the cover? That's a modern price.
• 45:09
  Tad Eggleston: This is a reprint.
• 45:10
  Phil: Right, for sure.
• 45:11
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 45:13
  Tad Eggleston: If you want to be able to read it, great, like, but that's what it's designed as. It's designed as a reader's copy, not a collectible item.
• 45:20
  Phil: Let's teach you how to read some indicia, fellas.
• 45:25
  Tyler Johnson: Right.
• 45:26
  Phil: Oh, man.
• 45:27
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, you wanna take us through crowdfunding? Yeah.
• 45:30
  Phil: Yeah, first up there is The Monster of Blackenstein, not to be confused with Blackenstein, by David F. Walker and Marcelo Di Chiara on Kickstarter through April 13th. So if you haven't supported that, hopefully, you'll, you know, if this is on Monday, get to it. Then there's Star Wolf.
• 45:48
  Phil: by John Coates on Kickstarter through April 18th. Serpentine, A Story from Afar by Leila Del Duca on Kickstarter through April 19th. Dan Dare First Contact by Alex DeCampi and Mark Lamming, along with
• 46:04
  Phil: B7 Comics on Kickstarter through April 22nd. If you haven't listened to that episode where we talked to Alex about it, and a bunch of other stuff, go ahead and take a listen. Business as Usual by Mark Bouchard and Shelby Criswell on Kickstarter through April 22nd. Hollowed Ground from Michelle Abenader and a slew of indie comics creators, that I have read several times, but not today.
• 46:28
  Phil: day on Kickstarter through April 23rd.
• 46:31
  Phil: The comic staple, from Tiffany Babb on Kickstarter through May 1st. Is that a comics magazine, I believe?
• 46:39
  Tad Eggleston: It is. Comics Magazine. And then both Steph and Frank's Complete Palomino and The Forgotten Divine from Mark Russell and Russell Braun at Ahoy are launching soon. Go sign up to be notified, but they get special treatment because they've already been on the podcast to… to plug their Kickstarters.
• 46:59
  Tad Eggleston: Humble Bundles coming up, we've got… er, not coming up. Humble Bundle's running right now! We have the Collected Peanuts, $25 for 43 items to support canine companions through April 16th.
• 47:11
  Tad Eggleston: The Boys, the grand finale, $18 for 13 items for Comic Book Legal Defense Fund through April 23rd. And the Valiant Classic Omnibuses, $18 for 7 items for the Book Industry Charitable Foundation through April 28th.
• 47:26
  Tad Eggleston: And I will, will, quickly point out that the 7 items are all omnibuses, so… so they're all, like…
• 47:34
  Tad Eggleston: 10 or 20 issues of a comic. Though, this also follows a thing that I used to notice from time to time,
• 47:47
  Tad Eggleston: you'd have something go up as a Humble Bundle, and then before the Humble Bundle even ended, it'd be on Comixology Unlimited.
• 47:55
  Phil: Huh.
• 47:56
  Tad Eggleston: this, this humble, or this, this humble bundle's not over, and, these omnibuses have, have,
• 48:04
  Tad Eggleston: Pick, er, er, popped up in, in,
• 48:08
  Tad Eggleston: in Global Comics Gold. So, if you have a Global Comics subscription, you can read them already, which does not mean that you shouldn't necessarily buy them, because A, you're giving money to charity, B, it's a DRM-free PDF, and that gives you more flexibility, etc.
• 48:26
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 48:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I always find it interesting when the publisher, like, oh, I'm gonna do a humble bundle and make it free somewhere else if you're already a subscriber.
• 48:37
  Tad Eggleston: So, I actually managed to read a lot of books this week, which is how I have a really interesting list. Even though half of the books
• 48:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, in a lot of ways, I should have gone 9 this week, but I didn't feel like it.
• 48:56
  Phil: Hmm.
• 48:56
  Tad Eggleston: bomb.
• 48:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, particularly because as I'm… as I'm counting… well, no!
• 49:04
  Tad Eggleston: I should have gone 9 this week. I could have separated the two Tim Seeley books, and it would have been 9 exactly, that I would have gone, so… Oh, well.
• 49:14
  Tyler Johnson: the water.
• 49:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… They're… they're… they're…
• 49:22
  Tad Eggleston: There is one… no, there are two books that were really fighting for that 3 spot.
• 49:30
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, whatever. I should name them now. Everyone loves a jewel Tape.
• 49:37
  Tad Eggleston: The new… new,
• 49:40
  Tad Eggleston: Tim Seeley and Aaron Campbell book, and Selenzio, the, Victor Santos book that he does through his, substack, Broken English.
• 49:49
  Tad Eggleston: We're both duking it out with Magina into the deep.
• 49:54
  Tad Eggleston: Number 9.1 from Inio Asano.
• 49:57
  Tad Eggleston: on Viz.
• 49:58
  Tad Eggleston: For… for that.
• 50:00
  Tad Eggleston: For that 3 spot.
• 50:02
  Tad Eggleston: But the top two were pretty, like, locked in. Bunkinheads, the new graphic novel from Dave Baker, and Nicole Goo, is just so fucking good. They're brilliant, everything they do together is brilliant, everything they do not together is brilliant.
• 50:21
  Tad Eggleston: But this is for my money, and I think theirs too, based on the… both talking to them at C2, E2, and the end notes from Dave.
• 50:35
  Tad Eggleston: this currently is their masterpiece. This is… this is the way more than the sum of its parts book.
• 50:42
  Tad Eggleston: Pumpkinheads from Dave Baker and Nicole Goo.
• 50:46
  Tad Eggleston: I brought up…
• 50:48
  Tad Eggleston: Sarah Gailey a couple times already. Talked… talked to them on Friday, the episode is live now. Their new book, Neighborhood Watch, number 1, came out last Wednesday. Sarah Galey and Haining at Boom, another just fantastic…
• 51:04
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic book. And I brought up Magina Into the Deep from Innio Asano. So, Phil, take a walk.
• 51:12
  Phil: Yeah, I am, you know, only, only slightly hurt that Die Load at number 6 didn't make your, your top 3 this week, because that, that one was…
• 51:21
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it would have been number 6.
• 51:23
  Phil: I mean, I'm… okay, number 6, alright, alright.
• 51:26
  Tad Eggleston: It would have been number 6. Like, I mean, I can tell you what the… I mean, other than I still can't decide which order Everyone Loves a Jewel Thief and Selenzio would have gone in for the 4 or 5 slots, 6 would have been downloaded number 6. Seven would have been.
• 51:43
  Phil: Oh, no.
• 51:43
  Tad Eggleston: free Planet, 8 would have been Pretty Hate Machine, and 9 would have been Star Trek Lower Decks.
• 51:52
  Tyler Johnson: That was really good.
• 51:53
  Phil: Nice.
• 51:54
  Tyler Johnson: Lower Decks was really funny.
• 51:56
  Tad Eggleston: Lower Decks is always really good.
• 51:57
  Phil: Okay.
• 51:58
  Phil: I, you know, it's funny, I'm not a huge Star Trek guy, but I keep hearing good things about that, so… Oh, but yeah…
• 52:05
  Tad Eggleston: He didn't used to be a huge Star Trek guy, thanks until that well.
• 52:08
  Phil: Crash Course from…
• 52:10
  Tad Eggleston: Thanks, Cantwell.
• 52:12
  Tyler Johnson: Phil, Lower Decks does not, does not feel like Star Trek, because it's, you know… Funny.
• 52:19
  Tad Eggleston: I actually feel… and this is one of the places where it's brilliant, like, and I'm more of a newbie, but I know I'm not alone in this feeling. I actually think it feels like the best of Star Trek.
• 52:30
  Tyler Johnson: I agree, I agree. It's… I am interested in it, yeah.
• 52:35
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but what I mean is, like.
• 52:37
  Tad Eggleston: when Star Trek is at its best elsewhere, it feels…
• 52:42
  Tad Eggleston: a lot like Lower Deck feels. So I don't…
• 52:47
  Tad Eggleston: I think for people who are really casual about Star Trek, it cannot feel like Star Trek, and for people who are deeply immersed in Star Trek, it really feels like Star Trek.
• 52:59
  Tad Eggleston: Just, like, with the humorous side, and… You know…
• 53:04
  Tad Eggleston: dealing with aspects that you don't see as much, because you're generally on the command bridge, and Lower Decks is those people that we don't see that often.
• 53:13
  Tad Eggleston: It's kind of like the red shirt suit.
• 53:15
  Phil: interesting to storytelling, for sure, when you follow the lesser-known characters around. But yeah, yeah, this issue, really smacked me in the face. It was, really fantastic.
• 53:27
  Tad Eggleston: It was face smacking.
• 53:29
  Tyler Johnson: So we're back to… we're back to die-loaded number 6, right?
• 53:32
  Phil: Back to die. Back to die.
• 53:33
  Tad Eggleston: No, I thought we were talking about… It was a great time.
• 53:35
  Phil: I mean, yeah, right. No, no, no, Smacked in the Face by Lower Decks, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it has plenty of space smacking goodness, but, no, this one… so actually, the funny thing is, when… when Die returned, I had a feeling that, you know, or my… my initial thought was, oh, this volume's gonna be 20 issues as well.
• 53:51
  Phil: I'm not so sure about that anymore.
• 53:54
  Phil: So… What's its…
• 53:56
  Tad Eggleston: What's the… you already noticed that it's got a different dye on it.
• 54:00
  Phil: It does, it has the D12 on the back. So, the thing that's interesting, though, with this issue being about the NEO of the group, is that… so I did a little thinking, and it's like, okay.
• 54:12
  Phil: This run could only be 12 issues for the 12-sided die, but then if they keep going in that
• 54:21
  Phil: order, like descending order of die size, then it might follow up with a series about, you know, for the Neo die. Yeah, so then that'd be… Volume 2 would be 22 issues. That leaves you with the D8, D64, add those together, and that is 18? Add all of them together, and that's 60.
• 54:39
  Phil: So it was a really interesting peek of, like, oh, what if those are the three volumes for three books?
• 54:46
  Tyler Johnson: I wouldn't…
• 54:46
  Phil: pumped.
• 54:47
  Tyler Johnson: I wouldn't doubt it. That would be a good chunk, right? 60 issues? Yeah. That's a good idea.
• 54:53
  Phil: Well, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like,
• 54:57
  Phil: Yeah, it's becoming more and more clear with every issue that the team has a…
• 55:05
  Phil: a bigger story in mind, like the world of Die, they're doing more with it than just, oh, it's just like a mashup of all the fantasy world. No, no, no. There seems to be plans. There seem to be plans within plans. I am… I am beyond pumped. I am… I'm absolutely loving this. I am just…
• 55:20
  Phil: Ugh.
• 55:21
  Phil: It is, it's great. I feel the need to reread these six issues altogether now, to look for some more stuff going on, because yeah, it's one of those. But yeah, Ted, did you read any One Piece? I think, I think it's been.
• 55:35
  Tad Eggleston: And more chapters.
• 55:35
  Phil: for a few weeks in a row now. 10 more changes?
• 55:38
  Tad Eggleston: No, I changed it from 84 to 85.
• 55:40
  Tad Eggleston: Last night.
• 55:41
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 55:42
  Tad Eggleston: Might have been 84 for a couple weeks, I don't know.
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, I read 10 more chapters, I read another volume.
• 55:47
  Phil: Oh! That's awesome. Okay, there you go. Boom, yeah, you crashed me out.
• 55:51
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't becalmed last week, either.
• 55:54
  Phil: Well, there you go.
• 55:56
  Tad Eggleston: volumes since last you talked.
• 55:58
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, Phil.
• 55:58
  Phil: Okay.
• 55:59
  Tyler Johnson: We missed you last week. I know we didn't address that yet, but… Well, we're both.
• 56:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, did we? I thought we just made fun of it.
• 56:10
  Tyler Johnson: I hate that.
• 56:11
  Phil: effect.
• 56:12
  Tyler Johnson: He clearly…
• 56:12
  Tad Eggleston: He probably hasn't listened to the episode.
• 56:15
  Phil: I'm so sorry.
• 56:17
  Tad Eggleston: He shot himself off.
• 56:18
  Tyler Johnson: So, it's exciting.
• 56:19
  Tad Eggleston: the call.
• 56:20
  Phil: Ugh.
• 56:21
  Tyler Johnson: Listeners.
• 56:22
  Phil: I see… how dare I?
• 56:24
  Tyler Johnson: Phil, we reached out to him when we were sitting here for a couple minutes, and Phil responded, yeah, I'm just gonna sleep. So…
• 56:32
  Phil: Yeah, I need to, I need to, I need to go back. It's, it was, it was, yeah. I've been… my day job has been running me ragged. They are… it… you know, January was supposed to be our crazy time, and then it's supposed to slow back down, and they're like, no, no, no, we want January every month. And I'm like, you fucking assholes.
• 56:48
  Phil: Dude!
• 56:50
  Tyler Johnson: You dick!
• 56:52
  Phil: Yup, pretty much. Pretty much.
• 56:54
  Tyler Johnson: So…
• 56:54
  Phil: I, I feel, I feel like a dry sponge.
• 56:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well…
• 56:59
  Phil: It's not…
• 56:59
  Tad Eggleston: And it's lucky that you guys have had 4 weeks to read Copra Round 2.
• 57:05
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 57:05
  Tad Eggleston: It should fit it in, Phil.
• 57:07
  Phil: She juice.
• 57:08
  Tad Eggleston: That homework assignment? Okay. I did, I did. So, as we move into great responsibility, we have all read Cobra Round 2.
• 57:16
  Phil: I'm on board the coker train.
• 57:19
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 57:21
  Tad Eggleston: I agree.
• 57:21
  Phil: This is… this is the where I feel like it…
• 57:25
  Tad Eggleston: We got all the mini origin stories, or at least the meet the characters deeper. I was like.
• 57:31
  Phil: and when…
• 57:32
  Tad Eggleston: when… That's a format…
• 57:35
  Tad Eggleston: that you see from time to time that I… that I like a lot, where it's like.
• 57:40
  Tad Eggleston: Big adventure, now dial back and learn the characters. Like, like, we learned them in… we learned a little bit about them in…
• 57:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I don't like starting… well, I mean…
• 57:55
  Tad Eggleston: I don't want to say I don't like.
• 57:56
  Phil: So here's…
• 57:57
  Tad Eggleston: It all depends on execution.
• 57:59
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, like…
• 58:02
  Tad Eggleston: I think my favorite way to meet new characters is to first meet them in the environment that you're gonna spend the most time with them in, and then get to know how they got there.
• 58:16
  Phil: Right.
• 58:17
  Tad Eggleston: Relatively quickly, and then…
• 58:21
  Tad Eggleston: just continue in your environment. You know, I can be bored if you spend too much time getting them to where you need them, and I can be annoyed if you spend too much time
• 58:35
  Tad Eggleston: Before you really let us know how they got there.
• 58:38
  Phil: And I think it's funny how…
• 58:41
  Tad Eggleston: It's a good form.
• 58:41
  Phil: That's your…
• 58:42
  Phil: that's your standout of getting to meet the characters more, because I feel like this is where the book, like…
• 58:49
  Phil: in Volume 1, I feel like there were toes and hints that, hey, this is… this is a lot like Suicide Squad, but we're… we're gonna go in different places as well, and I feel like those hints turned into, like, into the deep end, spending most of this volume in another dimension.
• 59:03
  Phil: Right. And by the end, taking it back to the personal and the motif of revenge. You know, so… so yeah, this is… this is absolutely…
• 59:14
  Phil: where… Yeah, the book…
• 59:17
  Tad Eggleston: I know, Ed, you think I shouldn't stack comics next to the desk, but I do comic things at this desk.
• 59:26
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, he threw the cap!
• 59:28
  Phil: This is where… I…
• 59:31
  Tad Eggleston: Comic stacks are… particularly easy for cats to knock over, because, like, they're… Oh, yes.
• 59:37
  Tyler Johnson: Chad picked up his cat, like a football, right? And just kind of, I assume, onto the bed.
• 59:46
  Tad Eggleston: And he completely landed on his feet, and he's already back where he wasn't supposed to.
• 59:51
  Tyler Johnson: to be.
• 59:52
  Tyler Johnson: Toss the cat, like.
• 59:53
  Tyler Johnson: And, not very hard, not very hard, but it was still funny to watch, because I.
• 59:59
  Phil: It was.
• 59:59
  Tyler Johnson: You were gonna throw your cat.
• 1:00:03
  Phil: That was… that was like a free throw. Free throw pity right there. It was like…
• 1:00:07
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 1:00:09
  Tyler Johnson: Right on.
• 1:00:10
  Phil: Oh, no, I know, we know there's a bet.
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: This is how much good it did.
• 1:00:13
  Tyler Johnson: I always write…
• 1:00:14
  Phil: And he's right back, right back into trouble. Oh, yeah. You know, I am familiar with cats, and usually, when they find out, oh, you don't want me to be here, that's exactly where they want to be.
• 1:00:25
  Tad Eggleston: I know.
• 1:00:27
  Tyler Johnson: hidden.
• 1:00:29
  Phil: Oh…
• 1:00:29
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, man.
• 1:00:30
  Phil: Yeah, Tyler, what'd you… how'd you, take to this volume of Copra?
• 1:00:34
  Tyler Johnson: You know, it was nice to see that the… much of the book was, right, dealing with the aftermath of Round 1, right? As they scrambled to regroup and then retaliate.
• 1:00:50
  Tyler Johnson: I really like the,
• 1:00:54
  Tyler Johnson: I really like the art. I'm trying to put it into words that I know. Oh, yeah. Okay, so, like, it's blending, like.
• 1:01:00
  Tyler Johnson: Psychedelic, kind of… Stuff, and, like, it was very raw.
• 1:01:06
  Tyler Johnson: That's what I like. You know what I mean? I liked it a lot, as far as the story goes,
• 1:01:13
  Tyler Johnson: I, I like… I like racks, so that was a lot of fun, to see.
• 1:01:16
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Tyler Johnson: you know, the… Story there about, you know, what's going on there.
• 1:01:25
  Tyler Johnson: I'm not very good at recapping what I always talk… reading, but…
• 1:01:31
  Tyler Johnson: This finally broke away from the Suicide Squad's trope that I was talking about for Round 1.
• 1:01:39
  Tyler Johnson: not feel it… this did not feel like Suicide Squad now in Round 2.
• 1:01:43
  Tyler Johnson: To me.
• 1:01:45
  Phil: Yeah, that's… I mean, it's… it's definitely more interdimensional and weird, and starts feeling more like Doom Patrol, you know? Starts moving in those sorts of directions, but, like, that…
• 1:01:57
  Phil: to me, again, it's… it's like… I feel like that's such fertile ground for… for this being, like, not quite superheroes. Correct.
• 1:02:06
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, it's very avant-game.
• 1:02:08
  Tyler Johnson: superhero.
• 1:02:09
  Phil: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's taking… it's like one of those where it's like, hey…
• 1:02:15
  Phil: I think what… and I'm just kind of now thinking and clicking that most of the time when you see off-brand superhero universes, they very quickly establish, okay, here's our Superman, here's our Batman, you know, and then if they
• 1:02:28
  Phil: reference Marvel, like, oh, here's a Spider-Man-type guy. This is, like, I can't even imagine there being a Superman in this world, you know? Right. The concept and shape of superheroes and stuff they're referencing is like, we are so deep in the gutter of superhero society culture that
• 1:02:48
  Phil: if, like, you… you… I… like I said, it's hard to even imagine there being,
• 1:02:55
  Phil: A figure of, of that both power and, like…
• 1:03:01
  Phil: attitude, you know? I don't think there's any, like, heroes, I think there's just people with powers beating the shit out of each other.
• 1:03:09
  Tyler Johnson: I agree.
• 1:03:11
  Tyler Johnson: I agree. Like, nobody has the, like,
• 1:03:15
  Tyler Johnson: heart, the fortitude to become, like, a hero, right? Yeah. You just, like…
• 1:03:23
  Phil: And it's…
• 1:03:24
  Phil: I'm… because I'm also pointing out… thinking out, like, there's no capes. There's absolutely no capes, you know?
• 1:03:30
  Tyler Johnson: That's…
• 1:03:30
  Phil: Even in that, like… yeah, even in that, like, okay, you see more capes in DC than in Marvel. This is like, no, no, no, not even… not even anyone with anything resembling a capes. Even your Doctor Strange guy doesn't have a cloak going on.
• 1:03:43
  Tyler Johnson: No, and that's fine. I think that it's a cleaner look, so from the artistic standpoint, capes are silly.
• 1:03:49
  Tyler Johnson: And we saw it in… we saw it in, .
• 1:03:54
  Phil: The Incredibles?
• 1:03:55
  Tyler Johnson: The Incredibles, right? Where he's flying and the cape gets sucked into the turbine, that was really… that was really funny. And then you're like, okay, no capes, and I… I like that.
• 1:04:06
  Phil: shapes.
• 1:04:07
  Tyler Johnson: No capes.
• 1:04:07
  Phil: too.
• 1:04:07
  Tyler Johnson: No caps for you.
• 1:04:11
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  Phil: But yeah, it's even got me thinking, like… I mean, it's been so long since I've read past this point, because I definitely remember Volumes 1 and 2 kind of the most, even though I've only read through 4.
• 1:04:27
  Phil: kind of where… where the series is gonna continue going, you know? Which, aside from it being, like, just an absolute slugfest, it… it's gonna, you know… at this point, I'm like, wow, this is a… this is an absolute fucking rollercoaster.
• 1:04:42
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:04:43
  Phil: That, you know, for… for… you know.
• 1:04:48
  Phil: Hard to see what's gonna happen beyond the violence.
• 1:04:52
  Phil: In an exciting way.
• 1:04:54
  Tyler Johnson: There's no mistaking, and I know this was… this is not brand new, but there's no mistaking that this is hand-drawn.
• 1:05:03
  Phil: Oh, look at that.
• 1:05:04
  Tyler Johnson: Right? And I love that.
• 1:05:06
  Phil: It's 100% human-made.
• 1:05:07
  Tyler Johnson: He… yep, yep, 100% human-made, right? Callback, that's bringing it back, bringing it back. The… the… the artwork is, like.
• 1:05:19
  Tyler Johnson: I like to see artwork that isn't 100% professionally polished out, right?
• 1:05:25
  Phil: Agreed, yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Tyler Johnson: You know what I mean? And there's, like, a panel in this where it's done with just a pencil and shading of the mask. I don't know which…
• 1:05:35
  Phil: Thank you.
• 1:05:35
  Tyler Johnson: But,
• 1:05:38
  Tyler Johnson: But it kind of feels like a high school kid is drawing it, or a middle school kid, but yet it's better than that, right? But it's got this, like, it's got this very…
• 1:05:47
  Tyler Johnson: Honest feel to the artwork.
• 1:05:50
  Tyler Johnson: you know, it's not pretentious at all, it's just like, here's what I'm drawing.
• 1:05:53
  Phil: Right.
• 1:05:54
  Phil: it's used the word crunchy before, and I think that is super applicable in a really good way, because…
• 1:06:03
  Phil: Yeah, so this… it's reminded me of back when I was in college, I, tried to find an excuse to talk about or write about comics whenever I could for any class. So for one, I even talked about, like, okay, here are the different stages of production, and it was really interesting hearing other people in the class and my teacher being like, wow!
• 1:06:21
  Phil: I didn't realize this is how comics get made. I didn't think about that. And I was like, what? Did you think they just, like.
• 1:06:27
  Phil: through the pictures in a lab, like, on fruit or something like that? Like, that's just… of course it's drawn by people, of course it has to be planned, you know? No, that's true.
• 1:06:37
  Tad Eggleston: That's why we need the, the… people badge.
• 1:06:40
  Tyler Johnson: My daughter wants to show you guys her dress.
• 1:06:43
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:06:44
  Phil: Oh, boy.
• 1:06:44
  Tyler Johnson: Can you look at your… your screens?
• 1:06:47
  Tyler Johnson: She's getting ready to go to church. Very cool.
• 1:06:49
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty tricky.
• 1:06:49
  Phil: Nice!
• 1:06:50
  Tyler Johnson: They all say very pretty dress.
• 1:06:52
  Tyler Johnson: Thank you, she said. Now she's walking away. You're welcome.
• 1:06:55
  Phil: You're welcome.
• 1:06:57
  Tad Eggleston: It's been validated. Watch that, Tyler.
• 1:07:02
  Tyler Johnson: That was gonna…
• 1:07:03
  Phil: Cody.
• 1:07:03
  Tyler Johnson: She comes over, and she just shows her dress.
• 1:07:07
  Tyler Johnson: That's cute.
• 1:07:08
  Phil: like, I need to be… yeah. But… You're doing this?
• 1:07:11
  Tad Eggleston: I don't necessarily want to raise your daughter to feel like she needs validation from strange men.
• 1:07:16
  Phil: I think that's… yes, agreed. That's more of a society problem than anything these days.
• 1:07:24
  Tyler Johnson: Truly.
• 1:07:25
  Phil: You know, I mean, but we…
• 1:07:27
  Tad Eggleston: We were allowed to say, that's a very nice dress, but you should have been turning to her and saying, Raina, it doesn't matter if they like your dress.
• 1:07:36
  Tad Eggleston: If you like your dress, then it's a nice dress.
• 1:07:39
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah…
• 1:07:41
  Phil: Ugh.
• 1:07:43
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry.
• 1:07:45
  Tad Eggleston: That's okay. I only do that because I know that Tyler has headphones on, and Raina can't hear what I'm saying.
• 1:07:51
  Tyler Johnson: No, nope, she can't hear a thing.
• 1:07:53
  Tad Eggleston: And more importantly, neither can Peggy.
• 1:07:55
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, they're… I'm just…
• 1:08:00
  Phil: I'm like, do we, do we need to find a, Feminism for 7-year-olds pamphlet and, and, put that up with, with this episode?
• 1:08:08
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:08:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I like that, I like that, I'm certain that it's out there.
• 1:08:11
  Tyler Johnson: Feminism for 7-year-olds.
• 1:08:13
  Tad Eggleston: If you have made the Feminism for 7-Year Olds comic, please email it to us at 22panelspodcast at gmail.com.
• 1:08:23
  Tad Eggleston: feature.
• 1:08:23
  Phil: Good one, yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 1:08:25
  Phil: I, I, you know, we'll get that discussion.
• 1:08:27
  Tad Eggleston: Thank you all.
• 1:08:28
  Tad Eggleston: If you haven't made that comic yet, and you'd like to make it, feel free to do so, and then email us at 22panelspodcast at gmail.com, and we'll have you on to talk.
• 1:08:39
  Phil: This is also one of those… one of those moments where I think, you know, is Nimona a good book for 7-year-olds? Because…
• 1:08:45
  Tad Eggleston: It is.
• 1:08:46
  Phil: I feel like… yeah. It's… it's toughness because I'm like…
• 1:08:49
  Tyler Johnson: VISA, what's the.
• 1:08:50
  Tad Eggleston: You don't know.
• 1:08:51
  Phil: Mona?
• 1:08:52
  Tad Eggleston: Stevenson?
• 1:08:53
  Phil: Stevenson's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one of his first, first books about,
• 1:08:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:57
  Phil: Dang.
• 1:08:58
  Phil: a girl who teams up with, like, a knight supervillain guy. It's really funny and really heartfelt.
• 1:09:03
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler, do you have a.
• 1:09:06
  Phil: Netflix.
• 1:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, yeah, Netflix, but I wasn't counting… I'm a book guy.
• 1:09:13
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:09:13
  Phil: I know you're a book guy. It should be on Hoopla.
• 1:09:19
  Tyler Johnson: I'll…
• 1:09:20
  Tad Eggleston: More, Phil. Stop!
• 1:09:21
  Phil: Going in directions.
• 1:09:22
  Tad Eggleston: that aren't where I'm going.
• 1:09:26
  Phil: Does he have a store?
• 1:09:29
  Tyler Johnson: Barnes & Noble.
• 1:09:31
  Tad Eggleston: Do you have a… a… what, what, what, what distributor does it come through?
• 1:09:40
  Tad Eggleston: Cause I, do you have a…
• 1:09:48
  Tad Eggleston: Come on, it's your damn email, huh? How is… how is the name of the…
• 1:09:52
  Tyler Johnson: Simon and Schuster?
• 1:09:53
  Tad Eggleston: HarperCollins.
• 1:09:54
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, maybe, I'll have to look, cause…
• 1:09:57
  Tyler Johnson: I've got a few different book publishers that I'm ordering from, so I'll check.
• 1:10:01
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:10:02
  Tad Eggleston: Because… I, I got an email from… from… our guy there.
• 1:10:10
  Tad Eggleston: That ha- there's an additional discount And… and…
• 1:10:15
  Tad Eggleston: Free shipping on 25 units or more.
• 1:10:19
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Tad Eggleston: For… for,
• 1:10:23
  Tad Eggleston: a free comic book day sale that includes both Nimona and Fun Home, so now's a good time to, like, stock up on those if…
• 1:10:34
  Tad Eggleston: If you want.
• 1:10:35
  Phil: Yeah, those are, those are both.
• 1:10:36
  Tad Eggleston: And they're both.
• 1:10:37
  Phil: for…
• 1:10:38
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty much essential.
• 1:10:40
  Tad Eggleston: Essential graphic novels, I, I would… I personally, and, like.
• 1:10:45
  Tad Eggleston: I get the arguments of working towards your shop and whatnot, but I'm a big believer in part of your shop is building your shop. I personally would be.
• 1:10:54
  Tad Eggleston: I… they would both be books that I would never want to be out of stock on.
• 1:10:59
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. Under any circumstances.
• 1:11:03
  Phil: It's true.
• 1:11:03
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, even if I only sold one a year, I, I, I, like…
• 1:11:07
  Tad Eggleston: would never want to have less than 3 on hand, and the second I was down to 2, I'd be ordering 3 more. Okay.
• 1:11:14
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Tyler Johnson: I don't have an account with HarperCollins, so I am looking at their app right now to start distributing, but yeah.
• 1:11:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:11:22
  Phil: Oops.
• 1:11:23
  Tyler Johnson: Sounds good.
• 1:11:23
  Phil: Cause, yeah, start them with Nimona, and they'll get to Fun Home eventually.
• 1:11:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:11:29
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds good.
• 1:11:32
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, let's.
• 1:11:34
  Tad Eggleston: HarperCollins does, I forget if HarpinCollins is the one that does, first, second as well, or if that… no, that's McMillan.
• 1:11:42
  Tad Eggleston: McMillan does first, second.
• 1:11:45
  Tyler Johnson: gates.
• 1:11:46
  Tyler Johnson: Do you mind if we start moving on? I am starting to get a really migraine.
• 1:11:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I was actually about to take us… take us on.
• 1:11:55
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I'm just… it's… I can feel it starting, and I'm like, oh god. Right.
• 1:11:59
  Tad Eggleston: Alright. So, I mentioned earlier that I did a fair amount of reading this week, including some advanced reading, so I'm gonna start with books I know are spectacular, which is Dead Teenagers No. 2 from Jude Ellison S. Doyle and Caitlin Yarsky at Oney.
• 1:12:18
  Tyler Johnson: Really good. I would have put that in my number one.
• 1:12:21
  Tyler Johnson: I almost did.
• 1:12:23
  Tad Eggleston: But I know that it's spectacular, so it doesn't have to be listed anymore. It's not a book that I hope is spectacular, it's a book I know is spectacular, because I have.
• 1:12:32
  Phil: Risen above rankings?
• 1:12:33
  Tyler Johnson: I've read it, too.
• 1:12:34
  Phil: Transcendent.
• 1:12:35
  Tyler Johnson: I have it right here, as… go ahead.
• 1:12:40
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't ask for this from Jenny Wood, and Josh Cornillin comes out this week, is amazing, and go back and listen to my last chat with Jenny Wood. And Narco number 2 from Doug Wagner and Daniel Hilliard continues their batshit crazy awesomeness.
• 1:12:58
  Tyler Johnson: Can I tell you, Narco number 2, I feel like in the plastic universe,
• 1:13:04
  Tyler Johnson: This is… this could… is shaping up to be the best.
• 1:13:08
  Tyler Johnson: I think…
• 1:13:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I feel like almost every volume of the Plastic Universe
• 1:13:13
  Tad Eggleston: Ups the ante from the one before.
• 1:13:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.
• 1:13:18
  Tad Eggleston: The only… the only… the only one that I would even, like, question that is I don't know if I like plush more than vinyl.
• 1:13:26
  Tyler Johnson: Hmm… The… the art school serial killer miniseries, I… that was okay, but…
• 1:13:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I loved that!
• 1:13:35
  Tyler Johnson: You did? Okay.
• 1:13:36
  Tad Eggleston: You did. I loved that.
• 1:13:40
  Tyler Johnson: I, I am really enjoying Narco. So, very excited. Check that out.
• 1:13:45
  Tad Eggleston: So, among books I haven't read that I'm…
• 1:13:49
  Tad Eggleston: really, really looking forward to, and therefore hope will be spectacular. Hab number one from Joshua Dysart, David Lapham, Bill Sienkiewicz, Jacob Phillips at Bad Idea, and, like, reading those names together, just… I mean, that alone makes me know that it's probably gonna be spectacular.
• 1:14:07
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. I can't…
• 1:14:09
  Tad Eggleston: Imagine Dysart, Lapham, Sienkiewicz, and Phillips working on a book together and not having it be spectacular, but I haven't read it yet, so I don't want to guarantee it. I did see an extensive preview during the Bad Idea
• 1:14:22
  Tad Eggleston: panel that happened right after the Cool People Talking Comics panel, so…
• 1:14:27
  Tad Eggleston: But it was a wordless one. So I know that the art is spectacular.
• 1:14:33
  Tad Eggleston: Night City number 3 from Matt Kint and David Lapham at Dark Horse. I feel like this is another cheat. Matt Kint, David Lapham, of course, it's gonna be fucking spectacular.
• 1:14:45
  Tyler Johnson: Night City has been great.
• 1:14:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god.
• 1:14:49
  Tyler Johnson: 1 and 2 are spectacular.
• 1:14:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, oh my god, yeah. And then Tigress Island number 2 from Patrick Kindland and EPHK. I, I…
• 1:15:01
  Tad Eggleston: I was looking forward to…
• 1:15:04
  Tad Eggleston: Tigress Island number one, but I didn't fully know what to expect from it.
• 1:15:11
  Tyler Johnson: I was expecting it from the cover, and so judging a book by its cover, I got what I was expecting.
• 1:15:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I got… I got more than that, too, I guess is what I'm saying.
• 1:15:24
  Tyler Johnson: True. I mean, for those that don't know, Tiger's Island is definitely an Epstein Island kind of story.
• 1:15:30
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and, and, and, and, well, but, but it's also, it's, it's got, it's got…
• 1:15:35
  Tad Eggleston: it, like, leans into the prison exploitation drama, or,
• 1:15:42
  Tad Eggleston: genre from the 70s, that sort of thing, you know? I mean, it's designed to be, like, a trashy…
• 1:15:51
  Tad Eggleston: Sexy.
• 1:15:52
  Phil: complicated.
• 1:15:53
  Tad Eggleston: Exploitation thing, right?
• 1:15:55
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, yep.
• 1:15:57
  Tad Eggleston: But, as I somewhat expected, and therefore wasn't completely surprised, even though he'd also acted like it was gonna be just a trashy exploitation thing, it's Patrick Kindland, so it's more than that.
• 1:16:10
  Tad Eggleston: So that has me really looking forward to… Issue 2.
• 1:16:16
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  Tyler Johnson: I'm a big fan of the artwork with the girls' faces being pretty, pretty plain. Like, they're all just…
• 1:16:23
  Tyler Johnson: Faceless… You know, automatons, but…
• 1:16:27
  Tad Eggleston: Well, EPHK does… I wanna say they're… they're…
• 1:16:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I need to… I think I've read Harpy, but I need to, like… go revisit Harpy.
• 1:16:41
  Tad Eggleston: which was their breakout book at Living the Line.
• 1:16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Last year, the year before?
• 1:16:50
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 1:16:50
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Tad Eggleston: Paris-born child of the 80s.
• 1:16:57
  Tad Eggleston: Is, is, is how he is, described… at the image website.
• 1:17:05
  Tyler Johnson: That's cool.
• 1:17:07
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome!
• 1:17:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 1:17:10
  Tyler Johnson: is coming out.
• 1:17:13
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, poem strips…
• 1:17:16
  Tad Eggleston: Including an explanation of the afterlife from Dino Bozzotti at New York Review of Books, is the other one that I'm really looking forward to. But it's a good week, we've got some Absolute Batman, some Alias, some Batwoman, some Catacomb of Torment, End of Life, Future is, Kill All Immortals.
• 1:17:34
  Tad Eggleston: Knock all the comics off the desk.
• 1:17:37
  Tyler Johnson: Which one of the…
• 1:17:38
  Tad Eggleston: This isn't actually a comic title. Lobo, Ordain, Rat City, Ultimate Wolverine, Uncle Scrooge, Where Does the Rainbow End, Wonder Woman, and Wind. So I'm digging this week's comic.
• 1:17:51
  Phil: lowest.
• 1:17:52
  Tyler Johnson: Looks great.
• 1:17:54
  Phil: Real quick.
• 1:17:55
  Tad Eggleston: I was curious.
• 1:17:55
  Phil: So… so you're… you're… because I haven't read any of, Doug Wagner's books, so I was figuring I'd give it a shot this week. Is the reading order plastic, vinyl, plush.
• 1:18:06
  Phil: Fashion school, serial killer, and then narco?
• 1:18:10
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:18:10
  Tad Eggleston: There's one more here. You skipped the, the, there, there's a, there's a, like, plastic prequel.
• 1:18:16
  Tad Eggleston: I forget.
• 1:18:17
  Tad Eggleston: Plastic, so it's plastic… Classic.
• 1:18:22
  Tyler Johnson: Isn't…
• 1:18:22
  Tad Eggleston: vinyl, blush.
• 1:18:24
  Tyler Johnson: and then plan.
• 1:18:25
  Tad Eggleston: Plastic something.
• 1:18:26
  Tyler Johnson: There's a… there's a subtitle to that platform.
• 1:18:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:18:29
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:18:29
  Tad Eggleston: And then I was a fashion school serial killer, and now narco.
• 1:18:34
  Phil: Okay, so Narco… Narco's Book 6, basically.
• 1:18:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:18:37
  Phil: if they.
• 1:18:37
  Tad Eggleston: Though they're only loosely tied together.
• 1:18:40
  Phil: Sure.
• 1:18:40
  Tyler Johnson: You may see a character from one of the other stories, but…
• 1:18:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:18:45
  Tyler Johnson: It's, you know.
• 1:18:46
  Phil: Tied together.
• 1:18:48
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:18:49
  Phil: Tied together as loosely as, Wagner Sanity?
• 1:18:52
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:18:53
  Tad Eggleston: Something like that, yeah, that sounds alright.
• 1:18:55
  Tyler Johnson: I love Doug. He's very down-to-earth in real life.
• 1:18:58
  Phil: Yeah, he seems like a really cool guy.
• 1:19:00
  Tad Eggleston: He's great.
• 1:19:00
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, Phil, what do you got for giant size trade wader?
• 1:19:05
  Phil: My giant-sized trade waiter pick of the week is, Ancestral Recall, by Jordan Clark and Adagoon Ilhan at Ahoy Comics. Sounded really interesting, so, yeah, that was… that was my pick. That's… that's my one.
• 1:19:19
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Awesome.
• 1:19:20
  Tad Eggleston: I, I…
• 1:19:21
  Tad Eggleston: I think I only managed to read the first 3… I have them all, but I think I've only read the first 3.
• 1:19:27
  Tad Eggleston: single issues. Okay.
• 1:19:29
  Phil: Can't you?
• 1:19:30
  Tad Eggleston: I was planning on trying to do the series this week.
• 1:19:33
  Tyler Johnson: That's awesome.
• 1:19:34
  Tyler Johnson: Alright guys, I am gonna lead us out, cause I am starting to see little…
• 1:19:40
  Tyler Johnson: what I call spots, so I'm, like, definitely knowing…
• 1:19:44
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler's seeing stars. Yikes. Supposed to be a little bird, or rabbit sees stars. What is this? Yeah. A little bird?
• 1:19:53
  Tyler Johnson: So I'm already… Martin.
• 1:19:54
  Tad Eggleston: What does the script say?
• 1:19:56
  Tyler Johnson: So, for me, with migraines, it's all about the light, so I'm trying to… as you can see from my hood, I'm covering…
• 1:20:02
  Tad Eggleston: It's literally… why I have these glasses. They're a special red tint that really helps minimize…
• 1:20:10
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, really? Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Tad Eggleston: a light-related migraine.
• 1:20:12
  Tyler Johnson: That's what I'm gonna do.
• 1:20:13
  Phil: And keeps, passerby from being hurt by your optic blasts.
• 1:20:18
  Tyler Johnson: True.
• 1:20:18
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think of them more as my Matt Murdock glasses, but…
• 1:20:23
  Phil: I don't.
• 1:20:23
  Tyler Johnson: Chad, I didn't, you know, I didn't write any notes down, but I do want to mention there is a comic coming out called Bible 2.
• 1:20:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, I saw.
• 1:20:32
  Tyler Johnson: And it looks awesome.
• 1:20:34
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I feel like I'm gonna let you be the one that digs into that, because ever since… and we talked about it some when it was first announced, and to me, it looks like it will either be…
• 1:20:51
  Tad Eggleston: Brilliantly satirical.
• 1:20:53
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:20:54
  Tad Eggleston: That's what I'm.
• 1:20:55
  Tyler Johnson: counting on.
• 1:20:56
  Tad Eggleston: An absolute train wreck.
• 1:20:59
  Tad Eggleston: Trying to be…
• 1:21:01
  Tyler Johnson: Trying to be funny.
• 1:21:02
  Tad Eggleston: Tyrical by being dumb?
• 1:21:05
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, well, I'll tell you…
• 1:21:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
• 1:21:07
  Tad Eggleston: that are actually satirical, where they make you think about serious things, and there are some things that just try to make fun of things that are meaningful to people, and I can't quite peg…
• 1:21:19
  Tad Eggleston: Whether that's gonna be a second coming.
• 1:21:22
  Tad Eggleston: Or… or the thing that just wants to make fun of Christians.
• 1:21:26
  Tyler Johnson: I agree. And so… but… but what?
• 1:21:29
  Tad Eggleston: One is amazing, and the other, I just don't have the energy for. So, Tyler, you're gonna have to report back to me and tell me which one it is.
• 1:21:36
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. I showed it to my wife last night, I said, you know, the Bible… what if there was a sequel called The Bible 2?
• 1:21:45
  Tad Eggleston: Add unicorns and leaves.
• 1:21:46
  Tyler Johnson: The cover… the cover is Jesus, shooting lasers out of his eyes. He is riding a unicorn. It's… it's ridiculous. But it's, you know…
• 1:21:56
  Phil: That does sound pretty funny.
• 1:21:57
  Tyler Johnson: I hope it's.
• 1:21:58
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, again, I hope that it pulls the satirical, because I… I think…
• 1:22:04
  Tad Eggleston: that the mark of almost any great idea is the ability to pull satire from it. And I think there are a lot of great ideas in the Bible.
• 1:22:18
  Tad Eggleston: But I also, like, there's mean making fun of people, and I don't get into Correct. Correct.
• 1:22:23
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:22:24
  Tad Eggleston: It's just such a charged item that it could go… Either way so easily.
• 1:22:29
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:22:30
  Tyler Johnson: Agreed. Alright guys, I am going to get us outta here. Thanks for listening, it's been fun. This was episode…
• 1:22:40
  Tyler Johnson: Hold on, hold on.
• 1:22:41
  Tad Eggleston: 231.
• 1:22:42
  Tyler Johnson: 231 in the bank. Alright guys, thanks for.
• 1:22:46
  Tad Eggleston: 6, 7, 7…
• 1:22:47
  Tyler Johnson: 6, 7… and we'll catch you guys after the next page.
• 1:22:52
  Tyler Johnson: Later!