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QUICK RECAP: 2 Former Saints Back in New Orleans! | Have Saints REALLY Improved Roster? · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: moves in free agency for the Saints on Thursday. Sean
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  Speaker 1: fizan Fox State, New Orleans. Good to join us for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. Chop it up a man, how
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Man? How are you? I'm doing well despite the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I think the Saints are gonna stink. But we
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  Speaker 1: go through this anyway. But by the way, overall so far,
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  Speaker 1: through four days legal tampering and then the start of
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  Speaker 1: the league year, do you think the Saints are better
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  Speaker 1: today than they were Monday? Worse about the same? Where
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  Speaker 1: do you fall?
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  Speaker 2: Probably slightly worse? Are about the same? I just dominate.
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  Speaker 2: So he's a five and twelve team of season ago
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  Speaker 2: and they're basically telling you without telling you that they
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  Speaker 2: felt like the biggest culp or that was not the roster,
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  Speaker 2: they felt like the biggest culpure with injuries and coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's the smart approach, but
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  Speaker 2: when you look at what they've gained what they've lost,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, at best they probably stayed the same,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even slightly worse.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about what they did today and we'll
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  Speaker 1: build from there. First we learned Tyron and cam Jordan
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  Speaker 1: are back on rework contracts. First of all, give us
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  Speaker 1: sort of the the parameters with what they've done there
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  Speaker 1: with those two guys.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look both of those guys. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the you can call it a rework, call
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  Speaker 2: the conversion. You know, some might look at it and
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  Speaker 2: stay pay cut. Basically, they stay were able to lower
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  Speaker 2: their base salary, but they converted a portion of that
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  Speaker 2: into uh plug incentives where they can earn some of
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  Speaker 2: that money back. I know, in Tyrant's case, the actual
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  Speaker 2: money he can get back could top what he was
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  Speaker 2: originally going to make in his base salary, so he
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  Speaker 2: agreed to that. I know he played in seventeen games
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  Speaker 2: last season. I know a lot of his incentives has
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  Speaker 2: a lot to do with playing time, so it seems
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  Speaker 2: like that's pretty pretty magiable. I have not seen the
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  Speaker 2: numbers yet on Cam Jordan, but he was obviously going
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  Speaker 2: into the final year of his deal schedule to make
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  Speaker 2: twelve and a half million. We all know he was
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  Speaker 2: not gonna make twelve and a half million on the
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  Speaker 2: open market, so he agreed to some kind of some
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  Speaker 2: kind of rework deal, whatever verb you want to use,
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  Speaker 2: whatever word you want to use, describe it, but it's
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  Speaker 2: going to obviously help the same stalarycap picture. Just haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen the numbers yet, but that's what generally happens with
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  Speaker 2: veterans in the last sort of stages of their career,
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  Speaker 2: especially a guy like Cam who's been spent his entire
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  Speaker 2: career here. And obviously we know how how strong the
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  Speaker 2: ties off of Tyren Matthew in the city of New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: So you can't get that with every player, but with
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  Speaker 2: these two you certainly can't.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like, bringing both these guys back even at
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  Speaker 1: this stage in their career, in their thirties.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be very curious to see how Cam Jordan adjusted
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  Speaker 2: and these two defense remember he came in as a
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  Speaker 2: three to four defensive end out of California when he
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  Speaker 2: was drafted back in two thousand eleven. There's still some
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  Speaker 2: if you ask these guys about the actual scheme, there's
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  Speaker 2: still some you know, don't get fixated on the actual
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  Speaker 2: three four four three part of this, but there are
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  Speaker 2: some different responsibilities based off of what you know the
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  Speaker 2: rules are with you know, with the new scheme. So
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  Speaker 2: I think Cam can still be somewhat productive, and I
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  Speaker 2: he's been incredibly durable throughout his career, so I think
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  Speaker 2: he can give you some snaps. He's not the player
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  Speaker 2: he once was. He's not gonna be the guy that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna, you know, play ninety percent of the
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  Speaker 2: snaps the game, or he shouldn't be. So that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of where it stands with Cam, and he's thirty six
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  Speaker 2: years old. In Tyron's case, I still think Tyrn can play.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I still think Tyrn can play. He's not
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  Speaker 2: quite the dynamic player he once was, but I still
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  Speaker 2: think he's got enough in the tank, and I think
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  Speaker 2: he's been uh with with the tandem of him and
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  Speaker 2: Justin Reid, I think that can be you know you
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  Speaker 2: asked me earlier, are they better? Well, I think the
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  Speaker 2: one spot they are better is at State right now,
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  Speaker 2: because I just you know, the Justin Reed signed to
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  Speaker 2: me was an a I mean that was an a
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  Speaker 2: signing for the Saints, and I think Tyron can certainly
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  Speaker 2: he's scheme versatile and he's you know, he's got talent versatile.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he needs you know, he's lasted a
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  Speaker 2: long time and he's been amazingly durable throughout his career
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  Speaker 2: with the Saints. So I think Tim still has enough
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  Speaker 2: gas in.
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  Speaker 1: The Saint Justin Reid on a three year deal, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt an improvement talent wise. The question is do you
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  Speaker 1: want to invest that type of money into a player
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  Speaker 1: on a roster that probably isn't going to be competitive.
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  Speaker 1: But that's, I guess, just a subjective point of view
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  Speaker 1: that any of us can have. Let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: three guys they added on on Thursday. Uh an old
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  Speaker 1: face come home, will clap and we know the story there.
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  Speaker 1: Brother Martin l s Hu drafted by the Saints. I
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  Speaker 1: was with Staley with the Chargers for a couple of seasons,
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  Speaker 1: then Buffalo this year free agent, the Saints agreed to
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  Speaker 1: a one year deal. Why did it make sense to
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  Speaker 1: bring Will Clapp back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they need some veteran depth on that offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think will starter initially he may, you know,
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  Speaker 2: be a spot starter. But if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: Lucas Patrick was their starting left guard, Nick Steald the
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  Speaker 2: very at some point the season started at left guard.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Lucas Patrick is a free agency the very
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  Speaker 2: off and on with injuries and also you know production.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, you needed a versatile interior, veteran offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 2: And Will Clap obviously as the guy is gonna come
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  Speaker 2: in and he's one guy and I'm sure you've talked
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  Speaker 2: to him before. He knows exactly who he is. So
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  Speaker 2: I think he understands the situation can give you some
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  Speaker 2: some production and most importantly, some depth on that offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: which as we've seen, I mean, look, without the injuries
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  Speaker 2: to the offensive line, how different is last year? I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's that, that's the all things being equal. If
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  Speaker 2: you if you just give me a healthier offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: to see how different that season would have been a
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  Speaker 2: season to go. So I think it's a smart move
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's it's cheap. I mean, let's be real,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to be an overly expensive contract to
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  Speaker 2: bring him back. So and they needed it. They needed
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  Speaker 2: some They needed some depth, some veteran depth onned offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: It's not always easy to find, but they were able
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  Speaker 2: to find that with Will, who's had a nice made
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  Speaker 2: a nice career for himself as the seventh round pick
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  Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt, man, I Will intern with us here when
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  Speaker 1: he was playing at LSU. And look, he's not one
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  Speaker 1: of those guys that showed up the first day and
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  Speaker 1: never showed up again. There were some of those Will.
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  Speaker 1: Will had many days where he was filing an ingesting
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  Speaker 1: email addresses into our database. Like he actually came into
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  Speaker 1: the work.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, he just showed up, did the work, did
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  Speaker 2: what he was supposed to do, and went on home. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Man, he's a great dude. I'm fired up for him.
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  Speaker 1: That's the signing. The Saints need to make affordable veterans
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  Speaker 1: that can be versatile. What about Jack stole the tight
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  Speaker 1: end from the Giants and then Philly last year. Is
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  Speaker 1: this a guy who can actually make this team shown?
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  Speaker 2: Possibly, he's not the battle for it. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: the guy that gives you some special teams versatility. He's
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  Speaker 2: a guy when Kellen Moore, who does this, who did
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  Speaker 2: this a lot with the Eagles when twelve personnel. I know,
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  Speaker 2: when Dallas Goddard got hurt, he was one of the
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  Speaker 2: guys that stepped up and was able to be give
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  Speaker 2: him some blocking tight end snaps. He's not a nobly
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  Speaker 2: productive in the passing game, and it looked like last
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  Speaker 2: year when you look at some of the games from
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  Speaker 2: snapcount standpoint, after we ten or eleven his offensive snaps
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  Speaker 2: went down, it probably lines up with Dallas Goddards of health.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know exactly when he came back to
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  Speaker 2: the lineup, but I think he's a guy that certainly
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  Speaker 2: he can give you some special team snaps, can be
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  Speaker 2: a blocking tight end. I don't know if it's a
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  Speaker 2: guarantee he makes the roster, but at the stage of
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  Speaker 2: free agency, I think it's one of those where I
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  Speaker 2: add some depth to that tight end.
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  Speaker 1: There's I want to ask about Isaac Yaddam because they're
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  Speaker 1: bringing him back as well. Let me start there, because
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  Speaker 1: I do want to ask a big picture about the
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  Speaker 1: free agent signings and what this might mean for the draft.
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  Speaker 1: But a thought on on bringing him back on a
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  Speaker 1: three year deal.
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  Speaker 2: That's yeah, that was interesting. I didn't I wasn't sing
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  Speaker 2: a three year deal. He was a guy that played
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  Speaker 2: well a couple of years ago when he was here,
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  Speaker 2: when a couple of when the Saints were hit hard
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  Speaker 2: in the secondary a couple of years ago. If you
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  Speaker 2: recall with Latimore and a depot and those guys get hurt,
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  Speaker 2: he played well. He's a guy that I think you
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  Speaker 2: bring in another I think he kind of sense in
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  Speaker 2: the theme, another veteran depth piece at a position group.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I like him as a starter.
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  Speaker 2: If you pencil him in as a starter, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's probably more of a spot starter. Can be your
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  Speaker 2: fourth corner, you know, if there's an injury, can fill in.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a day one starter, but
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's a It was a three years,
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  Speaker 2: nine million, not a crazy not crazy expensive deal to sign,
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  Speaker 2: and they absolutely needed to add at the cornerback position
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  Speaker 2: after losing the debo and losing Marshawn Lattimore. So he's
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  Speaker 2: a guy wh's got some familiarity with the city and
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  Speaker 2: he played was he with Staley last year in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: So again, another depth guy. Another guy's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of experience and he's not lost on the football field.
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  Speaker 2: He understands what he's doing, and he's a guy at
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  Speaker 2: the stage of his career knows his role.
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  Speaker 1: Sean Fizanne Fox eight is with us, so he's on
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  Speaker 1: Twitter at Sean Fazanne Fox eight. Good luck spelling Fazzanne
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  Speaker 1: with all they've done in free agency, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that scratches off any position group? In particular at number
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  Speaker 1: nine in the draft?
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  Speaker 2: The only position group that I could look at, and
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  Speaker 2: I wrote this out, I was kind of updating my roster,
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  Speaker 2: just filling out the depth chart today. The only first
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  Speaker 2: off I think if they got, if they feel that
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  Speaker 2: they got a game changer at nine or godless of position,
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  Speaker 2: I think they will do it. The only position that
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  Speaker 2: I look at now and say, you know what they
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  Speaker 2: might be. Okay, at least a nine might be at
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  Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Just because they added Godshaw, they extended Shepard,
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  Speaker 2: they restructured Collins Sanders, they still have Brian Berzi, they
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  Speaker 2: still have Christian Boyd from a season ago. There's another
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  Speaker 2: name I'm mentioning right now. They actually have more de
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  Speaker 2: tackles on their defensive end. So that would be the
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  Speaker 2: only position that I would look at and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you can if all things being equal, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: can bypass that position at nine overall. But if they
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  Speaker 2: have a game changer and this is a good draft
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  Speaker 2: for defensive tackles that they think can come in and
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  Speaker 2: w rec you know, reck stuff with a new scheme
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  Speaker 2: and a new staff, then I don't think they would
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  Speaker 2: completely dismiss it. But that would be the only one
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  Speaker 2: that I look at and say, Okay, maybe they're fairly
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  Speaker 2: stocked up right there. But other than that, I think
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  Speaker 2: all all positions are open at number nine overall.
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  Speaker 1: What needs immediate needs do you think remain in free
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  Speaker 1: agency before they get to the draft?
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  Speaker 2: To me, you need a wide receiver you don't have.
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  Speaker 2: You just there's so much uncertainty in that room. Again,
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  Speaker 2: just right out the depth chart, Matt, It's just like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is not good. This is not that
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  Speaker 2: they need some playmakers at wide receiver. You know, adding
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  Speaker 2: will clap. I think it helps, but it wouldn't wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: shock me if they brought in another veteran along the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line, and are you are you happy at running back?
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  Speaker 2: I mean you got Alvin Kamara. Kendre is such a mystery. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Is that? Is that a position where you say we're
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  Speaker 2: set or we'll just wait to the draft. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I could certainly see them at least taking a look
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  Speaker 2: at the veteran running back room. I you know the
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  Speaker 2: safety position? Did they addressed that with Justin Reed? We
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  Speaker 2: talked about the corner position. They have enough linebackers on
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  Speaker 2: the roster. Those will be the ones I would I
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  Speaker 2: would look at and say that you probably still need
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  Speaker 2: to address those positions at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Sean's got a if you go look at the top
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  Speaker 1: of his Twitter, he's got a link to YouTube video
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  Speaker 1: discuss a lot of this free agency stuff. So if
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  Speaker 1: if I ask you today over under five and a
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  Speaker 1: half wins, where are you falling.
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  Speaker 2: Slightly over I'm gonna probably this is probably a seven
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  Speaker 2: win ball club right now, because I just think the
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  Speaker 2: injury situation has no choice but to be a little
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  Speaker 2: bit better. And I think just given where they're at
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  Speaker 2: and given the moves they've made, and given just the
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  Speaker 2: division that they play in, I could I could see
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  Speaker 2: them winning six or seven games next year, which I
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  Speaker 2: know is excites absolutely no one listening right now, But
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  Speaker 2: I just think that that's probably where I would go
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is isn't that that's the dreaded scenario. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you you continue to mortgage the future for the now,
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  Speaker 1: but the now looks like you're going to be very
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  Speaker 1: very mid it go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: They've kept they've kept the Drew Brees approach, but Drew
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  Speaker 2: Brees retired four years ago. It is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: So they've they've they've they've kept that same strategy and
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  Speaker 2: here we are. So if I think with the moves
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  Speaker 2: they've made, though, I think that they they're telling you
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  Speaker 2: they they they're going to at least try to compete
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate man, thanks for the time. All right,
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  Speaker 1: be well.