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Galatians 6:1-8 & Isaiah Kunzer's Story · Pursuing the Heart

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SPEAKER_00: Well, this is Pursuing the Heart, and we're back at it again, another week, and we've got a great guest coming on tonight.
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SPEAKER_00: But first, let me just guess who we get.
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SPEAKER_00: We got Tim Hunter back.
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SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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SPEAKER_00: What's up, Tim?
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go, baby.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
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SPEAKER_00: What's your heart?
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SPEAKER_00: What's your hat say?
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SPEAKER_00: King of Hearts?
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: What is that like a poker thing?
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SPEAKER_05: Or uh that's what you would think.
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SPEAKER_05: It's actually a tour, the Brandon Lake tour, King of Hearts.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's a Brandon Lake tour.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people know who Brandon is.
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SPEAKER_00: I think so.
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SPEAKER_05: I think so.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean he's great.
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SPEAKER_05: There's all there's great some great people out there.
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SPEAKER_05: What's his number one song?
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SPEAKER_05: It's gotta be.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, gratitude's what he's known for.
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SPEAKER_05: Gratitude?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, but if you look now, I mean, there's some other new ones, but if you don't know, if you know gratitude, you know Brandon Lake.
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SPEAKER_00: I bet you Isaiah, who was our guest, and I Isaiah Kunzer, what's up?
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SPEAKER_01: I love you guys.
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SPEAKER_01: You doing all right, bro?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad to be on.
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SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate you for inviting me to come out and just to hang out and to have some fellowship with you guys and open up the word.
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SPEAKER_01: Come on.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no problem.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you listen to Brandon Lake?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you know who that is?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know who Brandon Lake is.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't really listen to Brandon Lake in particular a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I really shuffle through a lot of music.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I come from an artist kind of family, so whatever gets your feet moved.
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SPEAKER_00: Dad used to be in a band for a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you play any instruments?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that like a family thing passed down something?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm sure it could be a little quite a bit genetic, maybe.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, for my case in particular, I really think it's just being around instruments.
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SPEAKER_01: Being around instruments.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, kind of like you're a product of your environment.
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SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been around a lot of instruments, but I don't want to pick one up.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that could be the genetic part, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there it is.
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SPEAKER_05: There it is.
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SPEAKER_05: What what do you play?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh well, I I got blessed with my father's guitar.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And I will say that an instrument that that makes sound is is uh is a is an instrument that makes sound, but an instrument that can make a melodious, you know, you know, something that is that you can feel is a real in-tune instrument.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh I'm from Georgia, so melodious.
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SPEAKER_00: Great word there.
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SPEAKER_01: That's that was that's the word if I'm saying that properly, yes, I would say it's melodious in in melody, in synchrony.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, you knew it.
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SPEAKER_00: Huh?
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SPEAKER_00: You knew it.
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SPEAKER_00: What if I said I didn't?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: I was from I didn't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just asking what this way was let me put it this way.
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SPEAKER_01: Taylor guitar could be anywhere from like 2,000 to 4,000 to you know,$5,000 in a in and even like an in-tune hand pan, a professionally done hand pan could be anywhere from uh$1,200.
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SPEAKER_05: What is that?
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SPEAKER_05: Like uh something you make at home?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, you you know they're they're hand done there, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I I wish I knew more about them, but uh are they look like normal guitar?
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SPEAKER_01: Similar to like you know how the Jamaicans would take a literally a steel drum and they would beat it in in a tune, but that's a Jamaican steel drum.
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SPEAKER_01: A hand pan is more of like too outward, it looks like a flying saucer.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, but and it's the same concept, but and but beaten outwardly from from uh you know the two pieces that they joined together.
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SPEAKER_01: Steel or wo wood?
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SPEAKER_01: It's I believe it could it could vary in brass.
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SPEAKER_01: It could vary, I don't think it's really brass, but I don't know what that I never heard about.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to look that up.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll have to look it up because you could almost sit there and just listen to the hand someone play the hand pan.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very it's it's so what music very what music would be in a hand pan?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh I think there's various artists out there for sure.
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SPEAKER_01: It's very niche.
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SPEAKER_00: There are various crazy, it's not that song.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's just a very niche thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, well, that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of probably a lot of people in Nashville might know what that is and play it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, maybe it's more of a I would say the hand pan in particular is more of a hippie kind of instrument, but that's frequency.
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SPEAKER_01: You kind of get into frequency, and then that's so not bluesy, but just hippie.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but less well, far less bluesy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's more something that that you'd find on uh like the are you talking about like um like a hipster?
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SPEAKER_00: A hipster would be playing sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it's more it's very you know, not a lot of like you know, I'm I'm surprised you guys don't know about it, but you know something.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm educated now.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm educated now, and I appreciate you educating us tonight.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll have to, I'm sure there's plenty that the we're gonna look at.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna look it on TikTok and my algorithm will be all messed up on hand pans now.
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SPEAKER_05: Oh, forgive me, man.
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SPEAKER_05: But forgive me, but don't forgive me because you're gonna love the hand pans.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm educated now.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh that's gonna be beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: So do you play a hand pans?
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SPEAKER_00: Have you played?
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SPEAKER_01: I can't get hold of one, they're too expensive.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh but have you ever played one?
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SPEAKER_01: I have played one at the guitar center because eventually the you know, the guitar center.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they'll have one laying out, but it's beaten, it's old, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so is Guitar Center they close, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I the last guitar center I went down was down in Kentucky.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's gonna go to Sweetwater now.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's where all this stuff came from, Sweetwater.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's where everybody wants to go get a guitar and all that.
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SPEAKER_00: Sweetwater, yeah, sweetwater and Fort Wayne.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because the guitar center down in Casting clothes.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a warehouse full of instruments, and it makes anybody that plays an instrument just start having shakes when they go in there.
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SPEAKER_00: Because then they want to spend big money.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what happens when my friends go in there.
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SPEAKER_00: I can name a bunch of them, but they walk in there and they they say, Oh, I gotta have that guitar.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, the guitars, that's that guitar right there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's calling my name.
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SPEAKER_00: But anyway, absolutely, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean instruments that range thousands and thousands.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, very expensive.
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SPEAKER_05: So we've learned well done about Isaiah, didn't I?
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SPEAKER_05: It's a whole world that I'm not a part of the instrument.
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SPEAKER_05: I didn't even I didn't even know he was he could run his own podcast on this right here on instruments, hard instruments finding it like fascinating.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: Praise God.
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SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: You were the one, I think, at the last banquet I was a part of.
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SPEAKER_00: Didn't you play reggae?
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SPEAKER_00: Christian reggae.
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SPEAKER_01: It was Sons of Yeshua.
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SPEAKER_00: You asked um, I think Big Mike to play it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean they get they got anywhere from like uh you know the Lord's Prayer in reggae to like you know just the steel drum on the island.
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SPEAKER_01: Like they're these are Hawaiians, and actually their family, uh as far as I've kind of looked into them, they're like uh deeply rooted Hawaiians, like prophetic Christian deep roots in that group.
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SPEAKER_01: So I love them.
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SPEAKER_01: I love just jamming them out and like you know, uh letting the spirit holy spirit just fill the presence whenever I feel like you know I'm kind of just hanging out or just wanting to kind of just lay back and you know I don't have to dip into the world.
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SPEAKER_00: I got my brothers and that's someone else Tim can listen to because he has no clue what that is.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, since Yeshua, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You were there, I think, the last banquet that we see.
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SPEAKER_01: He would hurt him too.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh he was not there.
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SPEAKER_00: Was he not?
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SPEAKER_00: No, definitely was, but okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, we'll move back to that.
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SPEAKER_01: But Scott, I want to say you you've been around since like awakening.
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SPEAKER_01: You've been in, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like you've been you were you not around in awakening area?
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SPEAKER_01: I just feel like you've been in around the Decalores ministry area for like a a while.
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SPEAKER_01: I've always seen you, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you've been around the banquet for a while, but not the others.
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SPEAKER_00: No, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I've I've just started getting into Kairos.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And which is awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, appreciate you coming on.
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SPEAKER_00: Blessed.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, Tim, uh, it's that time where you just lay down a prayer and then we'll just get right into the word.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, spirit's gonna do its thing.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh Lord, what a you know, what joy we can have in talking about things that you know some of us have no idea about, but you can see the passion and the love that you've gifted someone with, the music uh a musically gifted person, and just see you pour out of them in that way.
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SPEAKER_05: It's just it's incredible.
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SPEAKER_05: And um, you know, it's just it's a blessing to uh to be able to enjoy that fruit that Isaiah uh produces through that music music gift you give them with.
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SPEAKER_05: Um tonight, Lord, is as we just talk about you, uh allow us to just walk spirit first as you know and and be able to enjoy each other's fruit.
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SPEAKER_05: We talked about on last week, uh, you know, all the all the fruit we have, the the love, the joy, the peace, the patience, the kindness, the goodness, the faithfulness, the gentleness, and the self-control that we possess because of you, because of your spirit, Father.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh I pray that same prayer over our listeners, that they can feel the love of Christ pour upon them tonight, um, that uh they can just enjoy you and be restful in you.
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SPEAKER_05: That the the stillness that uh is your peace can calm their minds and their hearts and um allow their ears and eyes uh to be uh focused and attentive to you and be able to hear exactly uh hear and see exactly what you desire, Father.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh Lord, I thank you for uh this environment what you've put together.
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SPEAKER_05: I thank you for our brothers uh who've been on and our brother here who's who said who gave us his yes.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh I'm just grateful that you pursue us the way you do, Father.
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SPEAKER_05: We thank you for your your son and your gift of grace in every day I pray, amen.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh Galatians is really a um a great book.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh we've been going through it.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh we are actually, Tim, in the very last chapter, it seems like it's been for for a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, but Galatians, Paul, in mostly all his writings, is battling with other people who come in after him and speak of a different gospel.
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SPEAKER_00: And generally it's they're coming in.
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SPEAKER_00: Paul lays down a gospel, Jesus plus nothing, faith alone.
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SPEAKER_00: Like Abraham.
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SPEAKER_00: He had faith and it was credited to him as righteousness, and it's Jesus plus nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: But then these other group of men will come in and speak of it's Jesus plus circumcision, Jesus plus the law, capital L A W.
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SPEAKER_00: And Paul has to write these books to the church that he had established or helped establish to encourage them to go back to live a Christ-like life without Jesus plus nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's trying to push them back to that because the joy that comes out of Jesus plus nothing is a lot greater joy than it is Jesus plus something.
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SPEAKER_00: The joy that comes out of Jesus plus nothing is greater than Jesus plus something, and he wants the believer to be free from that.
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SPEAKER_00: He wants the believer to be free from guilt, shame, the weight that's upon someone.
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SPEAKER_00: He wants them to be free of that, so he writes these letters saying, man, uses words like perplexed.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't believe you know, Scott's version is like, I can't believe you've actually going back to circumcision, going back to the law.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm astonished, I can't believe it.
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SPEAKER_00: So we've been walking through chapter five, and chapter five is awesome, and it talks about the spirit, it talks about you have the spirit, if you believe in in Christ, we have the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Then it talks about that the works of the flesh are opposed to the spirit because they're in opposition against each each other.
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SPEAKER_00: If I have the spirit, the spirit doesn't like it when you do the flesh, the flesh doesn't like it when you are in the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: And we all with those verses there um lays out what the deeds of the flesh are or what they look like.
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SPEAKER_00: Then Paul lays out the fruit of the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: So when you have the spirit that lives inside you, the spirit is all those things.
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SPEAKER_00: The spirit is joy, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
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SPEAKER_00: That is the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: And we as believers, as we mature in our faith, we talked about this on the last podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: As we mature in our faith, we get to lean more into those fruit.
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SPEAKER_00: Those fruit will become very evident.
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SPEAKER_00: And when I see a brother walking by, I can see the fruit of the spirit coming out of him.
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SPEAKER_00: Am I right?
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SPEAKER_05: You're like, hey, you know Jesus, don't you?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Or a random person walks up to you, and then like you're having this conversation, and the next thing you know, God or Jesus gets inserted in there, and you're just like, Oh, there was a purpose, a reason why I was talking to you.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: The light shining from you.
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SPEAKER_05: Does that ever happen to you, Isaiah?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, it's funny most recently, even just almost walking by somebody.
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SPEAKER_01: You I've almost been just provoked to even almost want to ask somebody, like, are you a Christian?
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SPEAKER_01: It's just funny, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That the exact same thing like Paul is trying to get to these people in Galatians of like, hey, like, we're all one family.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, and and when we experience this as this one, this unity, we're like that that spirit, this fruit, it all becomes this gift that we share and that and and these burdens uh that we carry the uh for one another, and and to it just it's so beautifully interwoven.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's truly just takes my breath away.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that was a good segue to what we're gonna talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we are.
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SPEAKER_00: So last week uh we left off on verse 26, but we'll pick up in 25 because it's sometimes when you get into the word and you just pick up one verse and you start reading it, maybe you should go to the verse prior so they understand what maybe Paul is talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: So Paul in 25 says, in Galatians 5, says, if we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
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SPEAKER_00: Why would he put that in there?
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SPEAKER_00: Like not becoming boastful, not challenging one another, and not L A W.
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SPEAKER_00: You said capital L A W, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_00: Would that be the capital L A W?
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SPEAKER_00: I see that in the heart of men, that's what it becomes.
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SPEAKER_00: So then it's a prideful thing, then because I do it better than you.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So if I'm challenging you in that, like, hey, you need to be more like me.
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SPEAKER_00: Is that where that is that what Paul's saying?
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SPEAKER_00: That that's where that's wrong, is challenging one another.
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SPEAKER_01: Exact opposite, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And then um envying one another.
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SPEAKER_00: You uh Tim, you don't struggle with any of these, do you?
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SPEAKER_05: Never in my life.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I you you know, I've I actually became way more evident about it kind of somewhat recently.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, I've been pursuing the Lord, running after him hard, and you know, just have an intimate relationship with him.
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SPEAKER_05: And you know, as as you do that, you just naturally you gain wisdom through that.
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SPEAKER_05: And it's easy to have the wisdom and listen to other people maybe like who just aren't as close to them or aren't spiritually aren't spiritually mature.
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SPEAKER_05: It's very easy to look at them like, oh, I don't want to talk to them because they're not so easy to do that, and you don't even sometimes realize you do it.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: You dismiss people because they're not they're not, you know, part of you can't hold the conversation with you.
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SPEAKER_05: Maybe they're not glowing like that, kind of like what we were talking about earlier.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so like that's just the wrong way to look at that.
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SPEAKER_05: Of course.
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SPEAKER_05: That's what you just said, you're letting some of the law get into your heart, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, right?
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SPEAKER_01: The very thing that kept the the Pharisees and the Sadducees from freely loving the very people that needed.
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SPEAKER_01: Come on, you know?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there was separation right there.
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SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I mean, if you do if you're not if you if you're not walking spirit first, these things can naturally happen.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, because you know there's no there's no new tricks that chaos wants to put upon you.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, it oh that didn't work.
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SPEAKER_05: Let me try this now.
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SPEAKER_05: This is something new I can try here.
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SPEAKER_05: I can try jealousy, I can try envy, I can try, you know, uh coveting.
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SPEAKER_05: Let's see if that works.
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SPEAKER_05: And it can happen.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the devil's clever.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he's he knows his tricks for true.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean you know I'm not trying to give him credit, but man, like there's a reason why he's called the greatest deceiver.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, you think about the time you were you were deceived the most in your life and times that by whatever huge number you want to times it by.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: That's who he is.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's what he knows.
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SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's an illusion.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's far greater than what we can comprehend.
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SPEAKER_01: That's truly, I mean, yeah, we need the Lord's light to shine uh to revelate and to shine on the devil's plans, or else we would never know.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we wouldn't know what to pray for, let's be real.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So going in the next verse, it says, Brethren, meaning believers here, brothers, sisters, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
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SPEAKER_00: Um restoration is huge, and having a spiritual brother or sister in your life that can restore you back to Christ is another huge thing.
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SPEAKER_00: In my life, I needed restoration, so this verse means a lot to me, and they restored me through the most gentleness, loving way, and because of these two individuals, they were a couple, husband and wife, they restored me to where I current to help me get to where I am now.
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SPEAKER_00: If it wasn't for these two individuals, I would not be here.
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SPEAKER_00: So to have and they didn't even like no one told them to go do this.
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SPEAKER_00: No one told them, hey, Scott needs this.
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SPEAKER_00: They took it upon themselves to pour in me love the fruit of the spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: They displayed that to me in a time where I needed it, and because of that, it helped me get where I am.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: So there's a great a good way of doing this, and then there's a bad way of doing this.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: And I think Paul's trying to point out, hey, do it the right way, through gentleness, through the spirit.
20:05
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I had I had a I read two versions of this.
20:08
SPEAKER_05: So you read the version I have right here in front of me, and then it uses the word caught.
20:13
SPEAKER_05: And another version I I read set uses the word overtaken.
20:16
SPEAKER_05: And you could look at this in potentially you know two ways, but you get to the same um the same spot.
20:22
SPEAKER_05: You know, so caught.
20:23
SPEAKER_05: I mean, are they are they caught in their sin?
20:25
SPEAKER_05: Are they caught in their their bad choices?
20:28
SPEAKER_05: Are they caught in you know in the chaos, or are they caught up?
20:31
SPEAKER_05: Like are they struggling?
20:33
SPEAKER_05: You could see it either way.
20:35
SPEAKER_05: But either way, you're you're you're recognizing you recognize, okay, that's not who this person is, that's not who Christ has made them.
20:43
SPEAKER_05: And go back to the previous verse, you can look at that and be like, Oh, that's that's terrible.
20:49
SPEAKER_05: I you know, I don't want anything to do with that.
20:51
SPEAKER_05: Or I you know, that's that's not who and you know, I'm they're but they're below me because I'm I'm I'm here, I'm I'm running with the Lord, I don't struggle with that thing.
20:59
SPEAKER_05: But but that's where I'll use this word as church, and I would say not this not necessarily the church building or church group, but church the believers, as you said, brothers and sisters, church discipline comes into play here.
21:14
SPEAKER_05: And that you're sticking with the scripture, you're sticking with the gospel, and you recognize, man, like you know, like Scott, you've seen me that if you continue down this road and you give me church discipline before, if you continue to do this, this is what's gonna happen.
21:30
SPEAKER_05: You see the chaos that uh that my life that my life possesses, and you know exactly where it's heading.
21:36
SPEAKER_05: So that's the correction.
21:37
SPEAKER_05: It was a loving manner, gentleness, right?
21:40
SPEAKER_05: Still out of gentleness, but you gave it you give it straight like this is this is what your your your road is going down towards if you continue down this flesh walk you're in.
21:51
SPEAKER_05: And when you see that in a in a in a believer, and it's easy to see that, especially when you did struggle with that thing, and you see, like I used to.
22:00
SPEAKER_05: Be a drunk.
22:01
SPEAKER_05: I used to be in that alcohol alcohol alcoholic lifestyle.
22:05
SPEAKER_05: So I know exactly where this is heading.
22:14
SPEAKER_05: And he ends it there though.
22:18
SPEAKER_05: But be careful.
22:20
SPEAKER_05: Do not allow yourself to get caught up in all of that as well.
22:23
SPEAKER_05: Because you know, it's it's easy.
22:25
SPEAKER_05: You know, like you just I say you said a second ago, like you know, the deceit that the Satan has, that chaos has, it's clever.
22:32
SPEAKER_05: Like even if you outstruggled that thing, maybe that could be that moment right there if you're not in the spirit.
22:38
SPEAKER_05: Right.
22:39
SPEAKER_05: Um, so yeah, there's there's the piece here.
22:42
SPEAKER_05: It you know, we are called to help others in out of out of some of these struggles because you don't want them to be in the shame the guilt of of that of that lie.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: Here's where I struggle.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you guys struggle with this too, when I'll just say it, when other churches kick people out of their church.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: So I'll use one of my friends, past friends, as an example.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: This guy was kicked out of two churches and he was crying to me, like, why would God kick me out of his church?
23:26
SPEAKER_02: Later on, because of he didn't get any love from these churches, he overdosed and died.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: This is a fact.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: It hurts me greatly.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: It was myself and a great and a good friend of mine who's been on this podcast.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: We were with him one night and he cried literally, grown man, saying, I've been kicked out of two churches and been told not to come back.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if restore such one in a spirit of gentleness is that at all.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm just speaking from my experience.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: What happened was he didn't feel welcomed by the church community, so when he wasn't welcomed by other believers, where do you think he was going to go?
24:29
SPEAKER_00: He went right back to the people that gave him drugs and went right back being a drug addict, and then come to find out he overdosed one day, he was not here.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: So be careful how you do this and how you I just yeah, keep watch on yourself.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: It irritates me sometimes, and this is it could I mean I again I get goosebumps when I talk about this because I'm very passionate about it because I I saw it, I saw it.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was struggling, he wanted to go back to one of the churches, and they said no.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Even asked to go back, and they told him no.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: And these are churches, they're not little ones, they're the mega churches.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: And it's so disappointing.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: That's the law.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: It's you don't look right, they don't fit in.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's the sagis the rabbinical law.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: It's really terrible, but it it's it's terrible because he was he was calling out for people to help him.
25:37
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he did have one because he wanted he wanted change, yeah.
25:41
SPEAKER_05: He knew he needed this is what I need, and uh, the place I'm turning is not helping me.
25:47
SPEAKER_05: Like it's that's where you you use the word church hurt, people get to that point where they just give up.
25:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah like I sought Christ.
25:54
SPEAKER_05: No, you sought men, men who didn't understand Christ.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: I'll say this I wasn't a part of any of these two churches that he went to.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, I'm just being told what he told us that evening that we were privy to.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: So, but still, um, there should have been there should have been some people that came around him and was trying to help him because he's spiritually immature to show him, hey, this is to help him, right?
26:26
SPEAKER_00: And not when you kick someone out, I don't think that that is helping any that's not helping the individual.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: I know Paul writes about it in another another book, but then the very next second book that he follows up, you need to restore this brother.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, heck, well, in the in the next verse, even bear one another's burdens.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, just uh the the ever more the seriousness of of being willing, uh that call to being willing to to reaching out a hand, how how inconveniencing it could be of your time and your comfort, uh, but yet that how serious it can be, uh, how how it's could be, if not is in every case, uh life or death.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you read it, be bear one another's burdens and therefore and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: What's the law of Christ?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Christ said there was only two laws.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: When the Pharisees were trying to trap him, because what's the greatest?
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Love God with all your mind, soul, and spirit.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Second greatest, love my neighbor as myself.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: Love thy neighbor as yourself.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: That's the King James version there for you, Isaiah.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: I heard before on the podcast that that's the version he likes where you use it.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: I just had an old one.
27:45
SPEAKER_01: It's cool, it's made out of alligator skin.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: You would love to do I do love that alligator skin.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: The demon got casted out into the alligator.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: We my grandpa killed him and then skinned him and put him on the table.
27:57
SPEAKER_05: He puts it next to his hand pin that night.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so um, yeah, so like the law, if Jesus said there was only two law, the two greatest laws.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Love God with all your mind, heart, soul, and spirit.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: Second is love thy neighbor as yourself.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: What are we doing?
28:16
SPEAKER_05: All right.
28:17
SPEAKER_05: I don't know if what you just described of your friend was experiencing any of that.
28:22
SPEAKER_05: No, no, and that's exactly why you know you have people who end up in the position your friend ended up in, and like not with us, and that's horrible.
28:32
SPEAKER_05: You have people out there who end up in that position in that position, and now they speak against the church, it's against Christ.
28:38
SPEAKER_05: They're turned away because the actions of men, or the or the non-actions of men, even, but like that's why this world's so twisted around.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: I think that that's why the first part of that six says you who are spiritual.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: Six one is very important.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: Because if you come to a brother and you're not in the spirit and you're in your flesh, then you probably are going to kick that person out.
29:05
SPEAKER_05: That's bad news right there.
29:06
SPEAKER_05: If that's what's going on.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: Am I right?
29:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're dead on.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: But if you're in the spirit, let's go back to the previous chapter.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: This is who the Holy Spirit is, right?
29:18
SPEAKER_00: The Holy Spirit, verse 22, is love, is joy, is peace, is patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: That is the spirit.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: All of it.
29:37
SPEAKER_02: That's all of it, right?
29:39
SPEAKER_00: So, and then it says, Who are spiritual?
29:43
SPEAKER_00: So if you're mature in your faith, mature is mature spiritually, mature, you can handle that because you're re you're relying on the gift of the Holy Spirit.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: You said yes, right?
30:00
SPEAKER_01: I always I love that the Lord's it's like an open gift, you know, and you said yes to receive on the Holy Spirit.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, of course, people get into the semantics of baptism and whatnot, but obviously we're we're not talking about the law, we're talking about how Jesus came to fulfill it, you know, uh that we'd be free from it.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: Um so just uh, you know, being uh in that in that spirit, that Holy Spirit that's just like you you can have that faith.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: What was it in John where he said like uh like rest assured, and I hate paraphrasing the gospel.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: You're fine, but it's like rest assured that that we I hate paraphrasing it, forgive me, but he says, in order so that we do know that we have salvation, and those are the words John used.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: You're good, Isaiah.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: That's Isaiah's talk.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: When I say sometimes I'll say, So Scott's version is this, and then I'll pay for it, I'll paraphrase it.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: That's and so you just did Isaiah's version.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pretty much.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even though I I do my best, I hate paraphrasing the gospel, but I mean, whatever gets the message put the point across.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: What you said, I got what you said, yeah.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: And I think anybody that listened to that can hear what you just said and understand it.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: It was very yeah, it's very good, good, yeah.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Well man, praise God.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: Praise God.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: So let me ask you a question since you're you're talking here.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: Hey, what's up, brother?
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Bear one another's burdens.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Is that a hard thing or easy thing?
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh my lord.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh my lord.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: Inconveniencing of your time.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're you're talking about not serving the flesh.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: Clearly, we know Paul's talking about not serving the flesh.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, bear one another's burdens, uh, you know, to fulfill the law of Christ.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: That I mean, that's a we already know that that's gonna be something that the Holy Spirit's going to usher us, have to usher.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna need to hold the hand of the Holy Spirit.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna have to, you know, through Christ, we're gonna have to hold the hand of God because this is not uh it's not gonna be easy to love sandpaper people uh in all in all cases, you know.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna be easy to you know help the widow out when all she wants to do is complain.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: You know, like my mom.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: I haven't met you know, could possibly be, yeah, Scott, like your mother.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: But you know, clearly fulfilling uh excuse me, bearing one another's burdens in order to fulfill the law of Christ.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: That's that's something that we're gonna need the Holy Spirit fully.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of times, Isaiah, I'm glad you said that.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: I need the Holy Spirit to bear someone else's burdens because man, it just it it can weigh on you.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: It's like it can be easy.
32:41
SPEAKER_05: Am I right, Tim?
32:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
32:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
32:45
SPEAKER_05: Right now, I I feel that we're I feel I'm really protective of my time because you know I have I have my priorities of my of my Lord and then my family.
32:54
SPEAKER_05: And you know, I I sometimes I'll get calls um from family or friends, and I'm like, I'm in my mind like, man, I don't want time for this, I don't want time for this.
33:01
SPEAKER_05: Right.
33:02
SPEAKER_05: That's my flesh right there, where okay, this individual chose to seek me out, not because of me at all, because of Christ within me, and they need Christ.
33:12
SPEAKER_05: So who am I to not bear this right here to have my flesh weakened so Christ may go before me?
33:20
SPEAKER_01: I love what uh Barry Matthews said when we were at the banquet at a meeting not that long ago.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: He said it they're not saying no.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: The people aren't saying no to me if they don't show up, they're saying no to God.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: And that you know, that hits deep because it wouldn't, you know, time is more precious than money.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: More, right?
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Because we can have there's enough money around, but there's not enough time.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: And anybody would pay as much money as they could to try to fabricate time, but we can't do it.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Time is the most precious thing, so just giving it is clearly it's going to make it's going to please the Lord.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: So going into the very next verse, for if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Man, is that like calling out?
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Is that all dude?
34:16
SPEAKER_05: Dude, he's calling his former brothers out.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: This is hard.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: This is bad.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you think you are this because what do they say?
34:24
SPEAKER_05: Oh, I'm so this and that, I'm that I'm not this person, this person, this person.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I hear that all the time.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it happens now.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, guess what?
34:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm not.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, did you hear what so and so did?
34:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm and then you're walking away and you tell your wife or you tell your friend, I didn't I've never done something like that.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm better than that.
34:45
SPEAKER_05: It's yeah, you're ranking yourself in in your mind.
34:48
SPEAKER_05: You're you're you're putting you're in making yourself more superior to them.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's what this verse is really talking about?
34:55
SPEAKER_00: Or is it talking more of a spiritual understanding of themselves?
35:00
SPEAKER_05: Everything is spiritual, first of all.
35:03
SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, no, this is exactly calling out like Paul's former brethren, uh, you know, his his his Pharisee buddies right here, were sure.
35:11
SPEAKER_05: I mean, they would stand and preach about how how gifted they are, good they are, and go down the line of everything, and then they would talk about who they're not.
35:20
SPEAKER_05: I'm not a woman or a gentile or this or that.
35:24
SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm all these things and they're nothing.
35:26
SPEAKER_05: Like when Christ flips it around on us, like, no, you are nothing.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: Hey, let me ask Isaiah something.
35:31
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, go ahead.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: So, Isaiah.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: If I read the Bible in a year, I just read it.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: Do I know the Bible or I just read it?
35:42
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say in one year, that's pretty outstanding.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: If I read the whole Bible front and back.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: The whole Bible, you I'm sure you could do it in a year.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you'd be.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: But would I know the Bible?
35:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh if you got the Holy Spirit in you, surely you'd want to read it again back to back, cover to cover.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Surely.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: Or maybe go a little slower the next time and maybe study the Bible.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, surely there's gotta be I mean, right?
36:06
SPEAKER_01: There's there's ways people try to try to find context to things, and then there's archaeological context that put things into a deeper perspective.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: I think you nailed it on the point.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: He's talking about he's talking about his church brothers, he's talking about the men of the law that are over these churches, and this is one of those or the believer today.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: It says, Well, I've read that.
36:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: But do you know that?
36:31
SPEAKER_00: It's maybe talking about the Christian that says, Oh, I'm a Christian, but do you know Christ?
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: I heard this.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: It's easy, it's easy to talk a good game.
36:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: And but then you don't know what are your fruit.
36:50
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:50
SPEAKER_05: Right.
36:51
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:52
SPEAKER_05: I heard this little, I don't know where I heard it from.
36:54
SPEAKER_05: A mine.
36:55
SPEAKER_05: But it was talking about the the word and it hit me.
36:59
SPEAKER_05: I hit me really hard because of where I was in my life with with the Lord.
37:04
SPEAKER_05: And it said the Bible's not a newspaper to be read, but a mind to be quarried.
37:09
SPEAKER_05: And after I heard that, I'm like, oh man, like that's so good.
37:14
SPEAKER_05: Because like I feel like right after that, we I think I think we were in Daniel when I heard this for the first time.
37:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:21
SPEAKER_05: And you know, you hear the story of Daniel Alliance and all those things and we went through Genesis and all those stories, but you read it and then you like, I've read this before.
37:29
SPEAKER_05: Like you just said, I read that.
37:30
SPEAKER_05: But man, did you really read it?
37:32
SPEAKER_05: Like, did you quarry it?
37:33
SPEAKER_05: Did you get intimate with it?
37:35
SPEAKER_05: Because man, did I find Jesus in some of those stories I'd never found before?
37:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, knowing that Daniel prayed three times a day, and when he prayed three times a day, he always faced Jerusalem.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Why did he do that?
37:50
SPEAKER_00: Because he knew the law said if you're ever in captivity, you should pray three times a day facing Jerusalem.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: Did you know that, Isaiah?
38:00
SPEAKER_00: No.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: It's in Daniel.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing when you slow roll things and you can you can pick some up something up.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: But then before we jumped on, you said you the verse four was kind of like the verse four you were like kind of threw me off for a little bit because I couldn't have conversations.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: So what's what's let's look at three again?
38:22
SPEAKER_00: It says, for if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: But each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone and not in regard to another.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: So, like if I'm examining myself what I do in Christ, that's that's the most important thing, right?
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Not what I'm doing, like, okay, I s I hit my goal last month in in my business world, I've got this in my bank account, I have a beautiful wife, I got a really nice house.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: But when you examine it all together, are you what are you doing in Christ?
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Is that what he's saying here?
39:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
39:22
SPEAKER_05: So I you know you I I don't know if I'm gonna answer the question directly, but I'm gonna say something that just came to me because of spirits leading this, and it it probably will.
39:29
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
39:31
SPEAKER_05: You just said something about you know, oh, I hit my goal, I hit this.
39:34
SPEAKER_05: So I was on my way here talking to somebody, and they were asked, How are you doing?
39:39
SPEAKER_05: How's life?
39:39
SPEAKER_05: How's this?
39:40
SPEAKER_05: How's that?
39:40
SPEAKER_05: And I was talking about work.
39:42
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Yeah, I'm really lying to win this trip.
39:44
SPEAKER_05: I'm you know, number two in the entire market and all these things.
39:49
SPEAKER_05: But here's the thing I did that for them, but I would say that to my wife or someone I know, like to you even.
39:56
SPEAKER_05: And I know, because I know my heart, I would say it, the Lord's doing this in my life, and this is where he has me.
40:02
SPEAKER_05: But I did it to them because I know I don't know if they really know the Lord, so they wouldn't understand where that's coming from.
40:08
SPEAKER_05: But why did I censor the Lord there?
40:09
SPEAKER_05: Why did I take him out of that story?
40:11
SPEAKER_05: Did I I did it because I don't know if I was gonna how they're gonna react to hearing that?
40:16
SPEAKER_05: So in a way, I'm like, man, did I just boast in myself because I censored the Lord from somebody else?
40:22
SPEAKER_05: And he probably wanted me to say that because I need to hear about Christ today.
40:27
SPEAKER_05: And I I didn't really answer your question there, but it just made me think about that.
40:31
SPEAKER_05: You're fine, it's okay.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, were you compromising?
40:34
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I totally was.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: And or were you uh if that was your kind of inner dialogue dilemma, were you compromising or were you doing it out of the best of your wisdom to try to reach out to this guy's heart and psychology where he's walking?
40:49
SPEAKER_05: But I've I I'll be honest with you, I felt I didn't feel good about it after it was over.
40:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I guess told right now, maybe I wasn't good, but you know, this is compromise.
40:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we we just you know, you talked about three and and we went into four about um you know boasting in yourself and you look okay.
41:06
SPEAKER_05: Look, you know, what's that what's the verse, Scott?
41:07
SPEAKER_05: You know, probably maybe you know it's look at the own plank in your eye before you yeah, it's kind of like similar to this point here.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Um where like you need to examine yourself, don't examine Isaiah, and I shouldn't really compare Isaiah to me, and Isaiah shouldn't compare himself to me.
41:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think that's what's going on here.
41:26
SPEAKER_05: That same that same concept.
41:27
SPEAKER_05: Right.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: We should all be blessing each other.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Because the next one, the next verse is very simple.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: It says, for each one will bear his own load.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: So in that great heavy load, great white throne judgment, the only judgment that I'll have, right?
41:45
SPEAKER_00: It's what I've done in Christ.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Same thing with you, Isaiah, same thing with any believer.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: And in Corinthians, you get this first Corinthians that talks about this, and it talks about God's just gonna put your work from when you accepted Christ to the end and put it in, and they're just gonna burn it up.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: And whatever's left, if whatever's left is what you've done in Christ, it's not what Tim did in Christ, it's not what Isaiah did in Christ, it's your own load.
42:21
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
42:22
SPEAKER_00: What have you done?
42:24
SPEAKER_00: And doing it out of a heart of love, not like, hey, I need to go out and witness 30 people today.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: That's what I have to do.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I want to do that.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: I want to go out and share something to somebody.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: Have to get to, yeah.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, have to get to.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: It's out an action coming out of your heart, not out of you have to.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: But uh in that imagery that Paul writes out in First Corinthians, you get this idea that whatever's left is what you've done, and then you can lay that at the feet of Jesus.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: So I get that out of this, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's what it's talking about.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: Verse 6, it says, the one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: What is that saying?
43:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for looking at that verse.
43:20
SPEAKER_05: Um, you can look at this, you know, different ways.
43:24
SPEAKER_05: I think the way it's asked to look at this, it's thinking about you know, you mentioned actually Isaiah mentioned this, like resources, like time.
43:34
SPEAKER_05: You know, it's not talking about, oh, I need to go, oh they they they blessed me and they they walked me through this hard point in life.
43:40
SPEAKER_05: I need to give them like money and and tithe and do all those things for their ministry or them personally.
43:46
SPEAKER_05: But I really think what it's hitting on here, um, it's you know, if someone's feeding into you, someone like gave you wisdom, you know, when you're and you're in a hard point in your life, like they I underst like they try to understand.
44:00
SPEAKER_05: And give you comfort through that and then walked with you, like and return that to them and like your time and your energy and however that looks.
44:07
SPEAKER_05: Maybe it's like getting involved in you know with them and their ministry, being available to be like, hey, if someone's walking through this, like I'm willing to, you know, to give my resources, my time, whatever that looks like.
44:20
SPEAKER_05: I I think that's where where it comes from because yeah, they're being that shepherd for you, but they're also needing other people to be shepherds in in their own ministry, their own, you know, whatever whatever they're doing.
44:31
SPEAKER_05: That's how I take that.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: What do you say?
44:34
SPEAKER_01: What do you see there, uh, Isaiah?
44:37
SPEAKER_01: I had seen I had kind of felt uh in reading it, like the transparency with God.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh if I'm not entirely spot on, I this would probably good to have be good to have like um some sort of uh context to like uh how they did things back in the day was always different.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: They always had weird, you know, rituals and kind of ways they did things.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: And I find that uh let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: My heart finds that that's like the Paul saying, like, be transparent with God.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: If you think you have the word, if you think you have, you know, you've been taught the word back in the day, if I'm not mistaken, they would they would only it was like a sacred to know the word.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: You had to be a Sadducee or a Pharisee to have the Word, to be able to study the scrolls and to be able to have access to those libraries.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: So I had taken it as more of uh Paul telling them those leaders, like, you're taught the word, uh, share all those good things with the one who teaches.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Um so my heart picked that up as the Lord, transparency with the Lord.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's good.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: What if uh it's just saying I teach Tim, but then as he's maturing, he ends up teaching some to me.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:02
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's good.
46:03
SPEAKER_05: Being open to that.
46:04
SPEAKER_05: Maybe that's why it it it opens in the beginning before this about um what did it say?
46:09
SPEAKER_05: Do not be conceited, provoking one another, and and reading one another, like that whole teaching piece, like okay.
46:14
SPEAKER_05: It may flip sometimes.
46:16
SPEAKER_05: Be okay with that.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Because I I just see like the whole Paul and Timothy dynamic, or Paul and Bor uh Barnabas.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: Paul might know the Old Testament maybe a little bit better than Barnabas.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: But Barnabas was his companion on these journeys.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: But maybe Barnabas taught him some stuff.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: And maybe it's like the one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him.
46:48
SPEAKER_05: That's good there.
46:49
SPEAKER_05: Sometimes like you look at that and you know, like give them see the Christ in them and remind them, like, I see Christ in you, I see that, I see the maturity, I see you running after the Lord.
47:01
SPEAKER_05: And that guy's like, Man, like I didn't realize that that's what the Lord needed me to hear.
47:08
SPEAKER_05: And like at times if you you know, Paul and Timothy, and Paul's bit as was up here with all the knowledge, wisdom, and if you turn to Timothy and he turned to Timothy and told him that, you how you know how like how built up Timothy would have felt in that moment?
47:22
SPEAKER_05: Because he would have reminded, man, Christ has really used me, working in me.
47:26
SPEAKER_05: And then like that confidence gets built up, the Lord's confidence, and I'm gonna go out and do this because you know, man, I got so much share, so much fruit to be enjoyed.
47:36
SPEAKER_05: That's good.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's what saying.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: I think you're right.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: I think you're the more that I kind of read it, the more that that does make sense.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
47:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: Of course, I think in my context of reading it, I was falling on to the next verse saying, do not be deceived.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: God is not mocked for whatever one sows, that he who will also reap.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: Saying, Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches, if that is being transparent in your prayer and in your devotion to God, and then saying, Do not be deceived, God is mocked.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: It says, Do not be deceived, God is not mocked.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: And that makes me think of the verse that says, like, come boldly before him.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: And it says, For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
48:25
SPEAKER_05: And then the very next yeah, the next verse.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: And then the very next verse, for the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life.
48:44
SPEAKER_05: Amen to that.
48:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's good.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: So then he's tying back into the previous chapter.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: The flesh.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: What is the flesh?
48:54
SPEAKER_00: You go back into chapter five and you read uh 1920 and 21.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: Those are some good fleshly stuff.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: No one has to tell me what's fleshly because fleshly just comes natural.
49:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's just no kidding, very primal.
49:12
SPEAKER_00: But as the spirit indwells you and you live in the spirit, that is more natural than the live in the flesh.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: Like God's revelation shown.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: We get to know what's right and wrong, not not just believe it in our emotional state of feeling and chemical emotions, you know?
49:30
SPEAKER_00: It's not a feeling, but you know it.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: Right.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: And it I really see that the if you read chap you read that verse eight, the flesh will corrupt you and you will sow whatever that looks like.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: So, like if you're drunk and you like drinking and you're drunk, don't be surprised.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: You might get a DUI if you're driving home.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: That's a consequence of that, right?
49:59
SPEAKER_00: If I go into the store and I rob it, very good chance I'm gonna get arrested.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: Or I go to the bank or whatever, right?
50:08
SPEAKER_00: So that's corruption.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: It's whatever you sow, there are earthly consequences for your actions.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: But if you're pursuing the spirit, you're gonna sow what the spirit reaps, and that's eternal life.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: That's the goodness, that's the faithfulness, that's the joy, that's peace, happiness.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: That's all or not happiness, sorry, self-control, gentleness.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: That is the stuff you will reap.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: Am I right, Tim?
50:39
SPEAKER_01: Makes me think of the slippery slope of evil.
50:42
SPEAKER_01: When high school they were teaching us of this thing called the slippery slope of evil, which made a lot of sense.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: Of course, I just referred to it as you reap what you sow.
50:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: But uh, it was the concept that one little action leads to the next, leads to the next, leads to the next, that accumulates, it develops into this tumbling downhill ball of you've sown all of this into your flesh, and now this is where you're at.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: And it wouldn't have happened any other way.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, I can say in my life, Isaiah, I never wanted to be in high school, I never thought I'd ever end up being a drug addict.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: But one day I woke up and I was a drug addict.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: And it was because I did this, now I did this, now I took this, now I use this, and the next thing you know, I am now in that.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: And to think that at a young age, you were probably sitting there boasting in your flesh, saying, I will never, I'm I'll never, never, I will never be like the drug drug addict sitting at the corner, boasting in your flesh.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
51:45
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's incredible what the Holy Spirit said.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: So Isaiah.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: So Isaiah, tell us um, tell us how did you become a Christian?
51:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I am so blessed.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: My testimony is called blessed.
52:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: I I grew up, my parents, uh I would say my faith is my own, uh, but uh my understanding of many of the things that I've come to understand have come from the generations before me.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: And that's so powerful.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: You can't take that away.
52:21
SPEAKER_01: You can't take away the prayers of grandmothers of grandmothers.
52:26
SPEAKER_01: You can't take those prayers away.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: And I just find that I never had to argue for the existence of God.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: So I was always blessed in that manner.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have to have that inner dialogue where, like, you know, was it the Big Bang or was it God?
52:41
SPEAKER_01: No, I knew it was God.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: I knew it was God.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: My I was around my family, just the supernatural presence of the Holy Spirit was too abundant not to not to take that faith and and to uh to really just be a part of uh be a part of that.
52:58
SPEAKER_01: It's hard to experience because it's more it's hard to explain.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: It's more than a feeling.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: It's the Holy Spirit, it's it's more than a feeling.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: It's like uh it's like the peace that cannot be explained.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: It's the revelation that you just can't calculate.
53:10
SPEAKER_01: And so I would I always had a faith.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: And then I think it came to a point in time where uh my my free choices definitely led me down a road to where I I walked away willingly from Christ.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's where my faith in Christ became more legitimate than ever when I was at a point in time where I had to just I was confused and I was overwhelmed and I I had bad drugs, is what it was.
53:39
SPEAKER_01: You know, I just I just wanted to take a hit of a of a pipe and you know, just you know, burn some time down.
53:46
SPEAKER_01: Pardon my French, but uh, you know, it's furthermore shows me of the importance of who you put yourself around.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh the dire, I mean, I you can go as far to say it's life and death who you put yourself around.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's life and death.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: And for me, it became that.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: It definitely became I was, you know, dealing with some sort of uh, you know, drug-induced uh psychosis, um and which is funny because my sister experienced something similar out on when she was spending time out on the West Coast, whoop-de-doo, hanging out with people that you that really opposed her faith.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: They opposed her, you know, and what's funny is the the person, God bless him, wherever he is, but and the person that gave it to me was an atheist, communist dude I was just living with at the time.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, you know, cool guy when you're not talking about all the things that really matter to your worldview, but you know, right it's you know, beside all that, uh just experience just coming to experience these point in times of being like, man, like God, I I need an answer, I need you, and just digging into the Holy Spirit, digging into basically I was like, okay, Jesus, I was so confused, I had to be like, okay, I need to just like put all everything that I've learned to the side, you know, what I think is religion or not, or this or that.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: I just need God.
55:15
SPEAKER_01: I just want the the highest high above all of the powers that be.
55:22
SPEAKER_01: And to no surprise, through my prayer and through my digging and through the revelation that I could receive at the time, uh, it everything seemed and is pointing back to Jesus and the power and the authority of Christ in the spiritual realm.
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Because I find that I was looking for like, like, God, how do I harness these things in order to like get out of this situation?
55:47
SPEAKER_01: What can I do?
55:49
SPEAKER_01: Because it seems like, you know, in in a place where it seems like I'm so powerless, I'm so, I can't do anything really.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, where, where is do I fight?
55:57
SPEAKER_01: Where can where can I stand?
55:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't have a I don't have a say in this fight, and I need you.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: And that's uh truly when I felt that uh in in my time of praying and and and digging in that time, it was the Lord being like, you know, you need to wage war.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you need to wage war in the spirit.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: You need to wage war in my love, in the spirit, and through prayer, and not of works of the flesh.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's funny that I'm sitting here, even just we're going over Galatians right now to where I find that the most revelational thing I've ever experienced in my life was coming to realize that it is by it is through the law, it not through, but through what Christ came to complete.
56:40
SPEAKER_01: It's through his blood, his very sacrifice, that we are we have access to all of these blessings to to chant down that's not a word I want to use, but to to prophesy against the plan of Satan.
56:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:58
SPEAKER_01: And so I I find that like all of these, like a lot of these deep things that truly, I never had to go through any of this.
57:05
SPEAKER_01: This was all the devil's plan that I had to go through it.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, it was just God making glory out of it.
57:10
SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's good.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, and I find myself at a place of of just uh being truly grateful that I am back in motion, back to the time, you know, I'm not I got my mind back, and I'm like, uh, you know, whatever whatever I had unfortunately had to experience was something that the Lord took uh and was able to bless me, and surely, hopefully, that I would take that and I would just bless others with it, because now all I can say is that the power is through Christ and it's on prayer.
57:42
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we got it, it's on the tongue, you know, and I always thought something was crazy.
57:47
SPEAKER_01: Like the gospel said, like the power of life and death is on your tongue.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: It didn't say like you have to be a believer, and then you get the power of life and death, though, though it talks about how our gifts are even more so and we'll do even greater things than Christ.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that blows my mind, but that it's uh it is by, and excuse me if I'm getting lost out in the ether.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm loving this.
58:10
SPEAKER_01: It's it's by uh, you know, it's by those gifts, uh, it's by the Holy Spirit, it's by uh that fire and it's by the prayer, it's by the words that we will speak that are going to uh bless the world around us.
58:26
SPEAKER_01: And so I just I got totally blessed through this bad thing that happened, and now here I am like okay, I'm I find myself more equipped in the spirit now than ever.
58:36
SPEAKER_00: With me, I had people that came alongside me and helped me in that situation because I think you and I are about the same drug addict, right?
58:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm an ex-drug addict, I haven't used since 1994.
58:51
SPEAKER_00: That was when I relapsed and never used ever again.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: Um but there were people that came around me back then to help me get through the situation.
59:05
SPEAKER_00: Was that dissimilar to you?
59:08
SPEAKER_01: I uh, you know, I believe I had been so down and out that I went to a church, I went to ITown church, and I was just seeking for prayer.
59:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh, because, you know, of course, with like induced psychosis, you get all the fears of things that you've experienced in the past, things that PTSDs that really shouldn't even be PTSDs, things that are coming back up that you're like, I don't even know why this is coming back up.
59:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, sure, it was real, and yes, it was very scary, but why does it have any power over me right now?
59:37
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like uh some really questionable stuff, but you know, I never I was never too far out on the drugs.
59:44
SPEAKER_01: I just was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
59:47
SPEAKER_01: And that's hence why I say, Okay, you know, like I mean, I was just you know, chilling out.
59:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it wasn't any hard drug, it was just some cannabis that, you know, not that I'm I'm not gonna go into it, but um you're fine, you're good.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_01: But you know, I uh it was uh it was just one of those times where it's like, boy, don't you have to be careful who you surround yourself with?
1:00:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_01: Because you don't know what what they if they have been doing works of the flesh, you know, like what what's gonna rise up in them that's going to want to make them hold hostilities against you, a man of the spirit or a woman of the spirit, you know, and and then even just completely be spiritual with it.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_01: What kind of spirits are going to arise in them?
1:00:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, if it is a spirit of gentleness and a spirit of love and a spirit of kindness, you know, well, what kind of spirits are gonna rise up in these people that don't have those spirits, you know?
1:00:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, I can tell you it's in the previous verses.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_01: It's hate, it's envy, it's jealousy, it's lust, it's the things that really make it hard to be around those people and to want to carry their burdens.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_01: But man, gotta bless them.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_01: No kidding.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_01: You gotta you gotta speak life into their life.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_05: So what what I I'm being reminded of last week and this week, uh it's like the community piece of this.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_05: It can be good or bad.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_05: And and your story just was an example of of some of that.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_05: You said wrong place wrong time, but right wrong people, you know, can really influence what what choices are to be made in front of you.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_05: And you know, it seems like you know, oh, I know I got to know you through the banquet and just hearing you speak, you know, I I see crisis flowing out of you.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_05: Praise God.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_05: Amen.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_05: Um, but again, that wasn't part of your life at some point.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_05: You know, you made different choices where hey, I'm just I'm I'm over here, I'm gonna choose these people right now.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_05: And you recognize that.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_05: So community is so important in your life.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_05: And I think about something that my my father-in-law said to me, and he said this to me before he was my father-in-law, he was uh a good friend.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_05: Uh you might know Chuck.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_05: No, Chuck Reed.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_05: Uh Mr.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_05: Reed, yes.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_05: I'm sorry.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_05: He he wishes you could be called Hunter.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_05: Uh but anyways, Chuck Chuck Reed, man, he said this and it sticks with me um and it'll never leave.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_05: He said, You are uh you are a collection of the five people you spend the most time with.
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SPEAKER_05: And I look back at my life in any situation and I think about okay, was this a good point or a bad point in my life?
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SPEAKER_05: And I think, okay, if it's whatever it is, who is I spend the most time with?
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SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, man, like that is so true.
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SPEAKER_05: It's like so true because they influence your decision, they influence what you know what you're around.
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SPEAKER_05: And um, you know, it it it does, it makes it easy to either choose a flesh or choose a spirit.
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SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, man, like you're you know, that that's that small testimony of your story, like what's powerful.
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SPEAKER_05: And I love um, I'm gonna I'm gonna paraphrase you.
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SPEAKER_05: I paraphrase that, but you said a piece there that said you know, God, you know, Satan has plans for it, but God turned around us for his glory.
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SPEAKER_05: Amen.
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SPEAKER_05: Amen to that, dude.
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SPEAKER_05: Like there's like when you look, you can really look back on that and see God work in those situations, work through that, and now okay, I'm gonna take that, I'm gonna use that for my good because now someone's going through this exact thing that Isaiah went through, and I'm gonna use that to pull them out of that because they see me working through and they see it's possible to make it out of this where some people get so deep into it they can't get out of that life.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and man, like you know, I I say this and like I I guess I can't I can say this now.
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SPEAKER_05: We got kids.
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SPEAKER_05: I used to be the young kid, I'm not the young kid anymore, but you got like someone like yourself who's young, who's just letting the Lord be the Lord of his life, and now the power that's within you is going to touch many that are coming up underneath of you, and even people like you just said, Paul and Timothy, people who are even older than you are gonna be touched by this.
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SPEAKER_05: So, I mean, like, thank you for your for your transparency, your willingness, your surrender.
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SPEAKER_05: Um, because man, the Lord is doing a good work in you.
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SPEAKER_05: He knows exactly who he picked out, he knew exactly what he's himself into, he's gonna see it through.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, I love you, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I love you guys, and I'm just so blessed.
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SPEAKER_01: And honestly, man, I just I'm so blessed by the the spoken the spoken word that even you were just doing it, just speaking it, and I'm just so mightily encouraged, just feeling that the Lord could take me out of that, just such a low to being like, yo, Isaiah, I've given you, you have it, you're equipped, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: So wake up, put on that the breastplate, put on the helmet, put on the belt, and and don't this isn't a game, man.
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SPEAKER_01: Take this seriously, man.
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SPEAKER_01: This is life and death.
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SPEAKER_01: People could be take put away, cast away from a church, and they can miss it.
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SPEAKER_01: And it could be just one guy who had enough faith who went out to the guy.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it could be like that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm so blessed because I was like, really, you could I'm just blessed.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because and I'll keep bringing up Barry because I just I love the guy, and even he was talking about like, you know, one of the last things I I heard him talking about at the last meeting was like, man, you sometimes you you gotta be crushed.
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SPEAKER_01: You gotta be crushed.
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SPEAKER_01: And I mean, man, does God is he able to refine us out of the out of any sort of plan that the devil has?
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SPEAKER_01: And that's something that I've always told myself, like, like everyone will be like, God's got a plan.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like thinking to myself, like, I'll even use, I'll even use Galatians 6 right here.
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SPEAKER_01: Keep watch on yourself, least you two be tempted.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking, like, yeah, uh, you know, it's you gotta be uh you gotta be careful because uh, you know, and I apologize, man.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm getting you're good, it's late in the evening, I'm getting a little tired and off track, but uh you're good, man.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just that that blessing, that that prayer, and but keeping a keeping a watchful eye, uh that uh that I myself too am not uh uh lackadaisical of the fight at hand.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh seriousness of it, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the seriousness, the intensity of it.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know all your story, so thanks for coming on and sharing that.
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SPEAKER_01: Dude, I love you, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Love you, we love you.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh a couple weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll be serving on the same team on the same weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be super exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: Super exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh so that'd be awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: So um thank you for listening.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm hoping that uh you might have got something out of this.
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SPEAKER_00: If it's for the one person who doesn't know Jesus and they listen to this and they're like, Man, I need that Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: If it's for that one person that's listening to this and they're thinking about walking away from their faith, and they're saying, I don't think so now.
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SPEAKER_00: Hold on, brother.
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SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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SPEAKER_00: He's coming.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's that's for that other that person.
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SPEAKER_00: And if it's just for that one person that's listening to this and they're just like, Man, I just want to want to know more about Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm already I believe who he is, and I know who he is.
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SPEAKER_00: I just want to grow in him.
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SPEAKER_00: And you listen to this and you got something out of it, that's great too.
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SPEAKER_00: Because this is pursuing the heart, God pursued me.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I get to pursue him, and I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we have the tagline.
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SPEAKER_00: What's I'm not gonna ask Isaiah because I don't think he knows.
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SPEAKER_00: So he'll know what's crazy if I knew it off the top of my head.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think we do.
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SPEAKER_05: Closes out to the close, you'd close it for us then.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we uh in in that pursuit, you know, we want to keep our eyes on Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, K-Y-E-O-J.
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SPEAKER_00: Keep your eyes on Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: K Wy YoJ.
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SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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SPEAKER_00: All righty, thank you, and I hope you come back next week.