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Episode 541: Stephanie Garcia – Retired Professional Steeplechaser; Reflections on her Career, Retirement, Motherhood, and The Evolution of her Running · I'll Have Another with Lindsey Hein Podcast

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  This is a Sandy Boy productions podcast.
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  Hey everybody. Welcome to all have another podcast
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  with Lindsay He. I'm your host, Lindsay. Thanks
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  so much for joining me today. Today, I'm
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  so excited to have death, Garcia joining us
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  for the podcast.
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  Stephanie is a retired S Chaser.
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  She competed in the 20 11 in 20
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  15 world championships for team Usa. In 20
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  16,
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  she placed fifth at the Us Olympic in
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  trials.
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  She was part of fu elite after college,
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  and then went on to run with Kim
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  Conley and Drew Watt and trained with Kim
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  for a few years before retiring.
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  Steph is now the mother 2 1,
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  She dabble in some spartan races and trail
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  races a bit. She's a run coach and
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  works in communications for C.
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  Sports associates.
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  She's coached by David and Meghan Roach, and
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  she's got some goals on the trail she's
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  not quite sure what running is gonna look
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  like over the next couple years, but she
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  is excited about
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  this phase of life. And also, we recorded
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  this in between, I believe it was in
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  between
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  the S Chase pre limbs and the Steep
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  Chase vinyl. So it was of the olympic
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  trials this year. So it was really fun
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  to hear her perspective as someone who's been
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  Hey friends, so excited to welcome Steph Garcia
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  to the podcast. Welcome to the show steph.
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  So good to be with you Lindsay. I'm
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  such a big fan of you of the
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  podcast of the empire and, of course, of
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  running in check fields and all of the
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  fun stuff we're gonna talk about. So Pleased
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  to be here. Oh my gosh. You're so
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  sweet.
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  Tell me, like, how are you enjoying watching
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  the trials right now?
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  I'm
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  It is...
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  It's emotional. It is so emotional, and I
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  am actually gonna be down there for the
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  final weekend.
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  I'm based in the Pacific Northwest, a friend
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  and I, and our toddler boys are gonna
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  go down,
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  and be in hayward for the final weekend,
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  and I am already, like, getting tears in
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  my eyes thinking about those moments and watching
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  those athletes
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  achieve their dream or not achieve their dream,
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  you know? Because that is part of the
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  story of the Olympic trials too, so
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  it's so exciting to watch. I love seeing
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  the next generation of Olympia come.
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  It is so exciting and you're so right.
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  Like, to see the emotions on both sides
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  there. I have to ask you then,
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  based on what you just said and based
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  on your Olympic trials experience like your fall
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  in 20 16 and being fifth of the
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  trials
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  What did your heart do
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  when a thing... Did you know what I
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  was gonna ask? Oh yeah. I've got, which
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  somebody always falls to the 800?
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  Always. Always. I had a training partner back
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  in 20 12 fall in the in the
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  800 in the in the rounds. And, you
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  know, she,
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  I don't... I don't think she had the
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  standard at the time. But, like, just to
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  anyone who makes it to the trials and
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  you're on the starting line and, like, you
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  get that chance.
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  I'm thinking back to,
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  Leah O'connor and that's not our Married. She's
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  not. She's married now, but, like, thinking of
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  her. Fallon. Yeah. Having a fall on the
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  barrier, like, all of those...
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  Ugh, was heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. There's heartbreak in
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  every single Olympic trial. In every race. Think
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  of people who had, like, their shoes come
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  on tied in the 5 k or the
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  10 k or anything like that, like, pills
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  Yeah. So...
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  You had a really beautiful post about that,
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  though. Like, not about the fault, but just
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  about your experience and,
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  like...
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  Not being an Olympia or being in Olympia
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  that doesn't define the athlete that you are.
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  Can you talk about that a little bit?
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  I think that there's
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  there's only
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  a few people who get to be in
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  Olympia. That's this the way it goes, but
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  that doesn't mean that there... That everyone else
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  doesn't have a valid or exciting or fulfilling
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  career. You know, I think about the...
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  The the folks of my generation, like the
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  steph bruce's of the world, the Sarah Halls
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  of the world
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  Done
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  amazing things.
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  Certainly not trying to compare myself to their
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  paul's accomplishments, but just to say that
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  you can accomplish so much. You can set
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  records. You can be a champion.
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  And still not being Olympia and that that
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  doesn't make your experience any less valid or
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  to be celebrated,
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  like,
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  I think that when we meet
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  folks out in the world who aren't part
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  of the Track field
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  ecosystem, and they say, oh, wow, you are
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  a pro,
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  So you went to the Olympics,
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  and it's it's hard to kind of explain.
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  No. But I ran this time, and I
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  did this thing and
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  you know, those are super exciting, and
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  again, fulfilling. I'm gonna use that word To
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  those are fulfilling, aspects of any career. And
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  so we don't go up to, you know,
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  an account and say, hey, were you 1
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  of the top
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  0.1
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  percent.
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  Mountains and oh, you weren't, so why are
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  you working? You know, Like...
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  Well, I was just thinking that with, like,
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  basketball players.
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  Think about how many pro basketball players there
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  are and how few of them actually
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  play on the Olympic team, but, like, we're
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  still like, oh, he's a pro basketball player.
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  Like, that's a big deal.
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  Absolutely. Or how many people are Nfl players
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  and don't win a Super Bowl. It'll get
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  a back, and that doesn't mean that they
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  didn't have a really cool and awesome. Career
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  full of wins,
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  And failures. And that's just part of it.
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  I think that
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  you didn't ask this question yet, but if
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  there was something that I would want everyone
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  to know and, like, embrace about their life
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  experience is that failure is part of it.
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  Is not linear,
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  it and to expect it to be so
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  is unrealistic. And we see some of these
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  amazing athletes
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  go from 0 to hundred and overnight, overnight
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  successes.
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  But we don't see all the work that's
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  gone in
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  behind the scenes or we don't see maybe
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  they did have a connection or an opportunity.
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  It's different with us athletics because you do
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  have to actually run the race and run
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  the top. But, like, for jobs or whatever.
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  Like,
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  there's usually a lot of work that goes
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  in that you don't see.
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  Totally.
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  Well, I'm glad you said that because even
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  though I hadn't asked it yet, I was,
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  like, thinking about, like, where do I throw
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  in
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  What would your message be
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  to... Well, I was actually thinking like, you
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  know, who who was, like sage? You know,
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  in the 800, like,
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  I was thinking, like, what would you say
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  to her? Well, she still gotta go run
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  the fifteenth. So hopefully, she has a great
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  race, but, like,
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  you know, I saw her posters interview, and
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  she was pissed. She was just pissed.
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  How do you pick yourself back? Up from
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  that heartbreak. Like, give yourself time to grieve
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  it, but then be like, it's okay. My
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  career still valid, and I still have so
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  much more I wanna go do.
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  I think for me, specifically about 20 16
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  and missing that team. And and I wanna,
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  like, for people who didn't.
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  Go ahead. Wrong back in those days, didn't
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  pay. Mentioned, like, I was
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  you know, near the front for a lot
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  of that race. I was in
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  position and going into the final lap. I
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  was in second place and so then to
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  have to 2 girls past me fall, and
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  then have another girl past me. I mean,
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  at the that point, it was over. But
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  you know, it... It's
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  what I would say to myself
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  and reflecting back, Like, I didn't
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  take time to
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  grieve. I just kept moving forward. Like, moving
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  forward using
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  failure to propel you to the next thing.
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  I knew I was really fit. I knew
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  there was some other goals that I had
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  this again. These are all... These times are
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  gonna sound silly in the context of today
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  and super shoes, but back then, only
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  3 women had broken 09:20.
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  The S, and that was, like, that was
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  still a... It was a really big barrier.
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  And I... I knew I could break that
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  time. And so
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  and
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  for me immediately after falling, you know, going
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  through the mix zone crying with my coach.
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  I was like, okay. Now I need to
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  go get in an eps salt bat. And
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  I need to fuel. I need to hydrate
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  and I need to get ready because I'm
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  gonna go to Europe, and I'm gonna race
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  in some diamond leagues, and I'm gonna do
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  these things because I'm gonna break 09:20. That's
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  gonna be my big goal. And
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  and I did that that summer. And
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  I remember having some friends and peers around
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  me saying, like, why aren't you crying? Why
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  aren't you hungry? Like, get drink a ball
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  of wine, just get...
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  Lose it, and I'm, like, no. Because I
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  still have things to that I'm gonna go
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  do. And so I'm not saying that's the
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  healthiest way to, you know, maybe I should
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  have had a big glass of wine and
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  but
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  I think that using failure... It's only a
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  failure if you don't learn from it.
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  Yeah.
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  It's so hard.
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  It's so and also, I feel like
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  there's a lot of embarrassment with failure
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  because people,
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  like, you put your dreams out there.
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  And then people expect x y and z,
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  and then it doesn't happen,
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  and you're like,
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  oh,
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  did you feel that? At all.
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  I'm gonna have a confession. During my pro
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  career, especially when I was running really well,
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  I would never promote that I was running
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  a race like, okay. You know, just whatever
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  any race going to a diamond league. I
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  wouldn't I wouldn't start talking about it until
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  maybe like, the day of, like, oh, I'm
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  hopping in to,
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  My link, whatever it is,
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  because I didn't want to put it out
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  there and have anyone, even if it was
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  like my mom, You know, 1 person pay
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  attention,
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  And then, oh, what if I had a
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  bad race, that would be really embarrassed because
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  I was like, oh, look at me. I'm
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  going to this race.
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  And then I, you know, had a D
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  or so... You know, something like that, I
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  was embarrassed. And so that's very true.
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  That's definitely a feeling that we all get
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  of, like, that embarrassment in that shame.
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  Yeah. It's interesting because I feel like in
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  today's world everything's so out there. And, like,
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  everyday athletes, You know, there's, like, tracking for
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  races and everything like that. And
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  it's like both. So you can use that,
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  everybody knows I'm running this marathon
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  and can track me as, like,
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  motivation.
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  You know, like, at mile 18 when you're
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  like, all this sucks. But then you're like,
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  but people are gonna see my split at
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  the 20 mile mark, you know?
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  Or it can internalize as, like, really big
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  pressure and just like, come crashing down on
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  you. And I... It probably just depends on
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  what kind of person you are. Like, how
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  you suspects things. Yeah. As, like a perfection
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  kind of person, I was the second thing.
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  Like, would be too much pressure on me.
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  I I know that... Like, the mental side
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  of it started really getting to me towards
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  the end. When I was in the final
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  years of my s, fast forward to 20
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  17, Us, championships, there's a world team to
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  make. I fall again in the water. So,
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  you know,
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  it really messed with my head. And so
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  much of it was just the pressure I
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  was putting on myself. I'm sure no 1
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  else really
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  was paying that close of attention to the
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  women's people at that point, but and But,
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  yeah. It's it's real. So
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  I'm just finding ways to kind of
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  work within the system to that's gonna work
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  for you. Like, that's... My advice there. And
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  going back to your earlier question about, like,
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  what would I say to someone like sage,
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  Like, it's okay to feel what you're feeling
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  is what I would say. Feel angry. Feel
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  awful, like,
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  get your team around you, get in your
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  protected bubble
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  and get yourself
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  you know, fill your cup back up, get
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  away from...
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  And it's it's different percentage. She's gonna go
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  back and run again. Yeah. But, for some
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  folks who are kind of devastated
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  by their experience
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  at the trial, specifically,
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  it's okay to to take a step away.
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  For a week for a month, take time
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  off, do what you need to do if
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  that's how you wanna process it,
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  you're not a failure. And there's more. And
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  even if maybe this was, like, your last
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  go with the trials if you're maybe an
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  older athlete or you're just gonna do something
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  different with your life,
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  this will always be part of your story,
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  Make it
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  make it
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  the the cliff hanger ending to the next
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  chapter of of your life.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I know I'm thinking about Sage 2
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  when you you... You know, when you answer
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  that question I'm like, She is still really
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  young. So, like, this won't be her last
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  olympic trials.
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  But, also, I was also thinking, go do
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  that Brenda Martinez thing, because do you remember
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  when Brenda fell in the 800 and then
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  made the team in the 15. Was that
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  was that 20 16? It was. Yeah. Mh.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like that is a possibility. Like that
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  can happen for you. I know that 1500
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  field is just
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  crazy stack, but it's always crazy stack. Always.
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  I was just gonna say that when brenda
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  made it. Was crazy stack too. So... Yeah.
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  And and someone,
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  everyone who makes to the trials has earned
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  their way there. So
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  everyone has a shot. It and that's the
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  beauty and heartbreak of the way that the
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  Us does it. You mentioned super shoes. And
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  I'm like, oh, you are the perfect person
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  who talked to about this because you really
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  are.
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  On that like, line there. Like, you know,
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  I've talked to athletes who are, like like
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  Des and Sarah who are, like, still racing
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  and raced through it before. But like you've...
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  And then you've got people that are really
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  old school that weren't even any anywhere close
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  to when super shoes came out But you're,
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  like, right there. You were, like, right there
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  before.
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  And so I'm just curious, like,
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  your thoughts on all that because we always
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  think that, like, with Asterisk,
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  aside from, you know, like Dean Cast,
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  I always say, like Dean cast marathon,
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  American record before it was broken, like, there
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  were always in my mind be that like,
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  this was pre super shoes because it held
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  for over 20 years, you know. But, like,
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  anyway, I'm just curious your thoughts on this
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  as someone who didn't get to enter that
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  era.
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  It's tough.
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  I see the times now, especially for, again,
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  women's s and knowing that they have... Totally
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  different spikes than I had,
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  There's a little bit of, like,
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  I don't wanna... I don't like to use
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  the word, like, Envy or jealousy, but I'm
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  like, oh man, I wish I could try
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  that. Like, I'm so impressed to see, you
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  know, girls at the Nc level, just blowing
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  by the times that back my day, like,
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  if you break 10, you were, like, a
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  superstar. And now it's, like, did you break
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  09:30?
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  Yeah. Or you're not making a final at
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  nc double or whatever?
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  Yeah. That's
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  it's just kind of that, like, every era
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  has their own thing in their new,
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  whatever training device or method.
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  Or track surface or whatever. And so this
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  is what's happening.
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  I did try vapor flies for my first
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  marathon, my first road marathon and,
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  loved them. So... Really? Yeah. I I think
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  Super shoes,
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  we have to keep evolving with the time.
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  And so
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  I don't want there to be, like, an
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  Asterisk next to, like, oh,
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  these times like, everything again, keeping with the
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  theme of, like, you're valid and worthy, like,
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  everything is
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  is part of it, and that's just the
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  way the sport goes. Right?
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  Yeah. For sure.
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  Wait talk to us about your road marathon.
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  0II
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  hopped into Ci am. Popped in. I did...
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  You will understand this. I had a baby.
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  And I I have been curious about the
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  marathon. U.
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  So I set Ci as my goal. My
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  kiddo was born
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  August 20 20 okay. So 20... So it
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  was a while... But it's like a year
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  Wait. How old was your child? He was
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  what?
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  15 months Okay. 14 months. Okay. I'm but
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  I'm gonna be honest. It was
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  it was a challenging experience. Yeah. Part I'm
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  running is a very challenging thing.
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  And
• 17:10
  for a couple reasons, there's the physical side,
• 17:12
  of course, there's the
• 17:14
  support side. Like, do you have a babysitter
• 17:16
  for your kid? Are you getting out to
• 17:18
  train?
• 17:18
  Are you... Breastfeeding? Are you is he in
• 17:21
  daycare care? You know, what what are... What
• 17:22
  does your life look like? Yeah. How time
• 17:25
  commitment, you know for a marathon. You need
• 17:27
  time to go out and get those miles
• 17:29
  in, But then also what surprise me was,
• 17:32
  like, the emotional mental side. Like,
• 17:35
  I struggled to be away from my kiddo
• 17:38
  in those
• 17:39
  months. Even though I was fine to run,
• 17:41
  my body was was coming back,
• 17:43
  feeling like myself again.
• 17:45
  I missed him. I felt anxious away from
• 17:48
  him, things things like that. And so III
• 17:51
  definitely struggled with getting back into some consistent
• 17:54
  training
• 17:55
  when he was still kind of in that
• 17:56
  baby
• 17:57
  phase. So didn't have that...
• 18:00
  I
• 18:01
  learned a lot through that marathon
• 18:04
  experience. I
• 18:05
  did not... I, like, changed my goals for
• 18:08
  it.
• 18:10
  As as I was going along and you
• 18:12
  mentioned Mile
• 18:13
  18 when you're kinda of
• 18:15
  for me, I was like, mile 17. I
• 18:17
  had. I stopped for, like, half a second.
• 18:19
  And in my head, I was like, well,
• 18:22
  like, I don't have a phone with me.
• 18:24
  How is my husband gonna of find me.
• 18:25
  How am I gonna get back to the
• 18:26
  finish line? I gotta keep going And Yes.
• 18:30
  Yeah. It was fun to have a first
• 18:31
  marathon experience. I've learned so much, especially about
• 18:34
  the training that I really do need to
• 18:38
  successful there to, like, actually give it a
• 18:40
  good attempt. And so
• 18:42
  I'm looking forward to 1 day doing another
• 18:44
  1. You do wanna do another 1. I
• 18:46
  do. Because we're... Yeah. Distance Runners, you know,
• 18:48
  Lindsay, We wanna... We have a little bit
• 18:50
  of craziness,
• 18:52
  a in us where
• 18:53
  you do something challenging and then you wanna
• 18:55
  go and conquer it. So... Yeah. For sure.
• 18:59
  What were your goals And what... Do you
• 19:01
  care if ask what you mean? I would
• 19:03
  say that
• 19:05
  before when I was still pregnant, I thought,
• 19:07
  okay. I'm gonna...
• 19:08
  Run run a marathon. I'm gonna qualify for
• 19:10
  the Marathon trials. And Okay. Just wanna go
• 19:13
  to the marathon trials.
• 19:15
  And
• 19:17
  just between all those things I was talking
• 19:19
  about all the challenges.
• 19:20
  I just knew I wasn't in a fitness
• 19:22
  place for that.
• 19:24
  So I was
• 19:25
  shifted gears and was like, okay. Can I
• 19:27
  run in the 2 fifties? Can I break
• 19:30
  02:50? Can I start, like, can I get
• 19:32
  myself to a place where
• 19:34
  I can maybe get into, like, a semi
• 19:37
  elite field and another marathon? Yeah. And work
• 19:39
  my way
• 19:42
  to getting closer to
• 19:44
  would love the... That is a goal is
• 19:45
  to try and qualify for this. Okay. Marathon
• 19:48
  trials. No. I'm to try again. Yeah.
• 19:52
  So we'll see. Yeah. That's a that's a
• 19:54
  bucket list
• 19:55
  item for me.
• 19:57
  What is that like though to line up
• 20:00
  when you've been like? You know what I
• 20:02
  mean? You you've ran in the world championships
• 20:04
  in 20 15. You've obviously ran in the
• 20:07
  Olympic trials and you've run with the best
• 20:08
  of the best, like, Were you like, hey,
• 20:10
  I'm just here. Like, did you, like, were
• 20:11
  you just like, low key, like, put yourself
• 20:13
  in there?
• 20:14
  I was low key, and I was...
• 20:17
  We talked a little bit about, like,
• 20:20
  the pressure you put on yourself. This is
• 20:22
  definitely 1 that I did not talk about
• 20:24
  very much that I was
• 20:26
  and
• 20:28
  I was...
• 20:29
  I had moments where I felt kind of
• 20:31
  embarrassed. Like, I did get an bib, Yeah.
• 20:33
  I am great, and it was a great
• 20:35
  experience, but I also had never been in
• 20:37
  a made road race before. I didn't... I
• 20:39
  haven't done many road races. I've been so
• 20:41
  much on the track that... Yeah. I have
• 20:43
  no idea how many people would be around
• 20:45
  me and, like, just there were some in
• 20:48
  Crm such a big 1 for that final
• 20:50
  qualifier.
• 20:51
  Yes. That there were so many people,
• 20:54
  and,
• 20:55
  yeah. I... There was moments where I felt
• 20:57
  kind of embarrassed.
• 20:59
  I will tell you what helped me there.
• 21:01
  I channel my inner People Sq calling qui.
• 21:05
  Yeah. Bella S Chaser,
• 21:08
  who's gone through a lot over the last
• 21:09
  a few years
• 21:11
  and done some different things with training and
• 21:13
  racing. And I thought, what would Colleen do
• 21:16
  If she was in a race where she
• 21:17
  knew she wasn't quite ready
• 21:19
  but she's there. And I'm like, she would
• 21:21
  have so much fun. She'd be bathing. She'd
• 21:24
  be like, just living up and still trained
• 21:26
  still trying. Right? Not like, jogging. But but
• 21:30
  but, like,
• 21:31
  picking up space. It's okay to take up
• 21:33
  space. Even if you aren't...
• 21:35
  If you're a different version of yourself. And
• 21:38
  to bring it back to motherhood.
• 21:40
  I don't wanna think, like, oh, I'm
• 21:43
  a lesser version of myself because I'm a
• 21:45
  mom. Now. I'm a running mom. I don't
• 21:47
  to train the same way or race the
• 21:50
  same way. It's okay. I'm a new version
• 21:52
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• 21:55
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  I love that. I love that you brought
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  up calling too because you're so right.
• 24:20
  Like, jumping into triathlon,
• 24:22
  just like, doing all these different things, and
• 24:25
  then just, like, using her platform in other
• 24:28
  ways that aren't necessarily, like, on the track,
• 24:30
  steep chasing.
• 24:32
  I love that so much. I kinda feel
• 24:34
  when you brought up the mom thing.
• 24:37
  I kinda feel similar in a different way.
• 24:40
  And I don't know if it's age, but,
• 24:41
  like,
• 24:42
  I really
• 24:44
  in my non professional very
• 24:47
  recreational running ways. Like, I really got after
• 24:49
  it so hard after I became a new
• 24:51
  mom. Like, I
• 24:53
  ran crazy miles and,
• 24:56
  like, peered all my marathons and stuff, like,
• 24:59
  in those really early
• 25:01
  motherhood days,
• 25:03
  And now I feel like, now is the
• 25:05
  time where you should have more
• 25:07
  energy and, like more drive because your kids
• 25:09
  are bigger, but, like, I actually I don't
• 25:11
  feel like that? And I thought I would.
• 25:14
  And so I'm trying... I've... For years have
• 25:16
  been trying to figure out what does that
• 25:18
  mean for me? And, like, what does it
• 25:20
  look like to still work really hard, but,
• 25:21
  like,
• 25:22
  maybe the goals are different.
• 25:24
  You know, it's it's interesting. Like, life changes
• 25:27
  and you just... You don't know what's gonna
• 25:29
  happen or how you're in a feel. Absolutely.
• 25:31
  That's like the tagline for parenthood is, like,
• 25:33
  you no 1 yet what's gonna go until
• 25:35
  you're already in it, and
• 25:37
  I think that
• 25:39
  in so much of my postpartum, new mom
• 25:42
  experience has been just, like,
• 25:44
  to to still feel worthy in wherever I
• 25:48
  am right now. I'm feeling, like, what you're
• 25:51
  feeling right now. I don't feel that same
• 25:53
  drive and
• 25:55
  urgency to go out and gobble up goals,
• 25:58
  the same way. Doesn't mean I don't have
• 26:00
  goals, But my energy is poured so much
• 26:02
  into my kiddo into my family into my
• 26:05
  my work now. I'm I work now. Not
• 26:08
  just run. So... Yeah. Like, real a real
• 26:10
  job outside of professional running? Yeah. Real real
• 26:13
  big girl job. And not, you know, I
• 26:15
  don't have any
• 26:17
  sponsorship support. I've have no none of that.
• 26:18
  I do have a coach who's awesome and
• 26:20
  cheers me on, but like,
• 26:22
  I'm in a totally different. I'm a normal
• 26:25
  non elite runner now. So
• 26:29
  I don't feel that same
• 26:31
  push,
• 26:32
  but I have faith that it's gonna come
• 26:35
  back. And that's okay. That there's, like, it's
• 26:37
  okay to have ebb and flows in your
• 26:39
  motivation,
• 26:40
  and in the way you approach it. Like,
• 26:41
  I'm trying to still train, of course, and
• 26:43
  I still have races I'm jumping into and
• 26:45
  doing different things. I'm trying some trails. I
• 26:48
  would like to try some ultra
• 26:50
  but that dream of, like, getting back getting
• 26:53
  a marathon... Another couple goes with the marathon.
• 26:55
  Doing some half marathons. Like,
• 26:57
  running fast again is something I do wanna
• 27:00
  do,
• 27:02
  and I'm just gonna have faith that that
• 27:05
  urgency and that, like, real fire is gonna
• 27:07
  come back.
• 27:08
  I'll say 1 more thing about my story
• 27:10
  and then go back to you Because Like,
• 27:12
  I always feel like, don't talk too much
• 27:13
  about cell in Yan.
• 27:15
  But when we're talking about motherhood, I'm just
• 27:17
  like,
• 27:18
  I think that when my kids were really,
• 27:19
  like your kids ate your son's age.
• 27:22
  Stuff stuff has a 2 year old.
• 27:26
  I almost think that I used the running
• 27:29
  hard and all that to, like,
• 27:31
  cope with how hard it was when they
• 27:33
  were so little,
• 27:35
  and maybe I don't need that as much
• 27:37
  now in those ways, like,
• 27:39
  because parenting is, like so much less physically
• 27:41
  demanding than it used to be. And I'm
• 27:43
  like, well, that was my... That was 1
• 27:45
  of my coping mechanisms
• 27:46
  you know.
• 27:48
  But anyway, I was gonna ask you, yeah,
• 27:51
  when you bring up the trails
• 27:52
  and stuff,
• 27:54
  it's like, wow. Someone like you who comes
• 27:56
  from such a speed background.
• 27:58
  Like, if you have that endurance piece to,
• 28:02
  Like, you could just, like, tear it up
• 28:04
  on the trails?
• 28:05
  Because you've got the speed too, But I'm
• 28:07
  like what do you do? Do you go
• 28:08
  the way of Grace and Murphy and do,
• 28:09
  like, the shorter distance trail stuff? Okay. Here's
• 28:12
  1 secret about trails that people forget. There's,
• 28:14
  like, hills and yeah.
• 28:17
  Terrain. And so I am not a graceful
• 28:19
  runner, and so...
• 28:21
  So I need work on those real technical
• 28:24
  rocky kind of
• 28:26
  rains. That's not the the trails that have
• 28:28
  ever been around. Like,
• 28:30
  and
• 28:32
  so much of my track time, you avoid
• 28:35
  trails. Because if you twisted an ankle or
• 28:37
  you've tumble right, totally. You could derail a
• 28:40
  race or even, like part of a season.
• 28:41
  So it was never. We didn't risk that.
• 28:44
  Now it's like, throw yourself down a hill
• 28:46
  and see what happens.
• 28:48
  I'm very cautious on downhill hills. Actually, before
• 28:52
  getting pregnant. I did the, like, Us, mountain
• 28:55
  running championships at Mount hood. And,
• 28:59
  I hadn't really done a lot of hill
• 29:00
  work, but
• 29:02
  I. Let's just get let's do this. Like,
• 29:03
  I fit. I'm fast.
• 29:05
  I did pretty well on the way up.
• 29:07
  I was like, in the top 10 on
• 29:08
  the way up the mountain. U. Thought down.
• 29:11
  I got past by, like, 20 people.
• 29:14
  No graduated. I think I finished, like, t
• 29:16
  because I could not send it on the
• 29:18
  hills.
• 29:19
  Mountain and run can. They're are amazing.
• 29:23
  I just am too worried about falling to
• 29:25
  my death.
• 29:27
  And it's like, who wants to be injured.
• 29:31
  They're amazing. Like, these... The the, like, true
• 29:34
  mountain running athletes,
• 29:36
  men and women are just so badass. I'm
• 29:38
  like, in all of them. And so it's
• 29:40
  really cool to find and learn about different
• 29:43
  running communities. You know, the ultra running world
• 29:46
  is different than the short. Trails.
• 29:48
  An obstacle course racing, which I was jumping
• 29:51
  into my husband's done, like, I,
• 29:54
  it's super cool to see all these different
• 29:57
  angles of running outside of just Pure track
• 29:59
  field. Mh. I wanna talk about the obstacle
• 30:02
  school racing. So that's where you met your
• 30:03
  husband.
• 30:04
  Yes.
• 30:05
  Okay.
• 30:06
  When did you even get the idea to
• 30:07
  jump into it and tell us a little
• 30:09
  bit about how much you've done it? Yeah.
• 30:11
  I I really haven't done it a lot
• 30:12
  recently I kinda had, like, 1 little season
• 30:14
  of jumping in and learning,
• 30:17
  because surprise surprise as a track athlete. I
• 30:20
  did not have those, like, Gym gymnastics skills
• 30:22
  to be, like, hanging from things and swinging
• 30:26
  and even, like, go to your playground and
• 30:28
  jump on a monkey bars, like That's hard.
• 30:31
  I couldn't start hard. It's... That's not my
• 30:33
  skill. I I can lift things. I can,
• 30:35
  like, carry big buckets or rocks or whatever,
• 30:37
  but the, like, swinging offs. Were really challenging
• 30:40
  for me. I failed them all.
• 30:43
  But I was excited to be in a
• 30:45
  beginner again. And to learn something new. And
• 30:48
  so but back actually in 20 15, 20
• 30:51
  16, when I was, like, at the height
• 30:53
  of my running, my track running,
• 30:55
  I had met this athlete Amelia Boone, she
• 30:58
  was... Yeah. Yeah. A lawyer turned officer hospital
• 31:02
  course racer was, like, 1 of the first
• 31:04
  women to, like, dominate in the sport
• 31:06
  because it's... Still pretty new, and it's not
• 31:08
  in the Olympics or anything like that yet.
• 31:11
  And I was just so inspired by her.
• 31:13
  And so I said, when you're done with
• 31:16
  track running and it's decade, like, let's do
• 31:18
  some Ocr and just like c because it
• 31:20
  seems like fun. I'm a S chaser. I
• 31:22
  wanna do wild things. And just, like, jump
• 31:25
  over things and jump in water, like, that's
• 31:27
  in my Dna. So
• 31:30
  once I did step back from the track
• 31:32
  and This was early 20 21
• 31:34
  because,
• 31:35
  and the reason I sit back from the
• 31:36
  track was really just injuries and just getting
• 31:39
  older and just not...
• 31:41
  It just wasn't... It was just time to
• 31:43
  be done.
• 31:44
  But I immediately jumped into this Ocr and
• 31:48
  t. Stuff,
• 31:49
  and had a really fun year. And then
• 31:51
  I got pregnant. And so, you know, just
• 31:53
  the way the cycle of life is gone.
• 31:55
  And so I,
• 31:56
  have done a couple of little trail races
• 31:59
  recently,
• 32:00
  and they've gone really well with Good. With
• 32:02
  limited training, and so,
• 32:04
  have I would say my next big goal
• 32:07
  the next like thing I would love to
• 32:08
  do is to try an ultra, try a
• 32:10
  50 k. Okay.
• 32:12
  And and see if I
• 32:14
  not so much to, like, I'm gonna go
• 32:16
  and win because
• 32:17
  training is very limited right now just with,
• 32:19
  like, the time and and the toddler hood
• 32:22
  era, but I wanna try 50 k
• 32:26
  how I do learn a lot and then
• 32:29
  figure out okay. Is this something I wanna
• 32:30
  do more of and train.
• 32:32
  More specifically for.
• 32:34
  Yeah. And then how do you like, set
• 32:36
  goals around that stuff now? Like, what matters
• 32:39
  most to you now?
• 32:41
  In general, what matters most to me,
• 32:45
  it's a little bit like what you were
• 32:46
  mentioning as, like a mother runner of, like,
• 32:49
  is running, like, the filling my cup is
• 32:51
  this giving me, like, that release that I
• 32:54
  need as, like, a busy working mom.
• 32:58
  That's that's something. Like, that's a check... Like,
• 33:01
  a box I wanna check every week of,
• 33:03
  like, how did running feel for... Me. It
• 33:05
  feel like a pressure stressful thing that I
• 33:07
  had to put on my to do list?
• 33:09
  Or did it feel like something that, like,
• 33:11
  was awesome and I, like, had fun. And
• 33:12
  I met with other family. Mom in the
• 33:14
  area and Ran, like, had a good run
• 33:16
  with my husband, like those things.
• 33:19
  But then there's in the trail world in
• 33:21
  the ultra world. There are races that you
• 33:23
  wanna, like, get to. You know, did you...
• 33:27
  You know, I I have like a wish
• 33:29
  list of races all across the country all
• 33:31
  across the world that I'm like, I 1
• 33:32
  day Wanna go to Arizona and do this
• 33:34
  crazy
• 33:35
  desert race. Or, I wanna go to, you
• 33:38
  know, out here in the Pacific Northwest and
• 33:40
  do this... Crazy
• 33:41
  trail marathon. You know, whatever it is,
• 33:44
  it's like, wanting to hit those. Just like
• 33:46
  folks who do road marathons, 1
• 33:49
  wanna do, like, they have their list of
• 33:51
  Chicago, Berlin, New York. It's kind of how
• 33:53
  it is on the trails.
• 33:55
  I love the process of that. Like, the
• 33:57
  process of being, like, well, first and foremost
• 34:01
  or is this,
• 34:02
  like satisfying?
• 34:04
  Is this not overwhelming? Is am I enjoying
• 34:06
  this?
• 34:07
  Then it's those other buckets.
• 34:09
  I remember 1 of my first
• 34:12
  obstacle course races, It was a Spartan race.
• 34:14
  It was in Pennsylvania.
• 34:16
  And,
• 34:17
  like, you know, they have men and women
• 34:19
  running together. You're just kind of all out
• 34:20
  there.
• 34:21
  And I,
• 34:23
  then I won for my age group for
• 34:24
  women, but,
• 34:27
  1 really steep climb,
• 34:29
  There was like, a group of dudes around
• 34:31
  me and I just said, why are we
• 34:32
  doing this? And they were like, because we
• 34:35
  paid a lot to be here. And like,
• 34:37
  I was like, oh, that's a good point.
• 34:39
  And so I think about that a little
• 34:41
  bit in this... Like, no one's paying me
• 34:43
  to do this. No 1 is expecting me
• 34:45
  to post on social with their stuff.
• 34:48
  While I'm out on the trails, like, I
• 34:50
  am doing this, I'm taking my time away
• 34:52
  from my family. I'm taking, like, I'm spending
• 34:55
  my money whatever it is, who to do
• 34:58
  this race or do this training. So I
• 35:00
  wanna
• 35:02
  feel that, like,
• 35:03
  fulfillment from it in a different way way
• 35:05
  then that, like, you have to have these
• 35:08
  time goals or hit these marks or whatever
• 35:10
  that you might feel if you had a
• 35:12
  sponsor day if you had that that, like,
• 35:14
  level of support. Yeah. I mean, I feel
• 35:16
  like in almost every marathon I've ever run.
• 35:19
  I'm like, or you know, you get to
• 35:20
  that mile 18? You said 17 your race
• 35:22
  or 20 or 22? You're like, why the
• 35:24
  heck am I doing this to myself? Like,
• 35:26
  what, but then you remind yourself, like, I'm
• 35:28
  doing this because I feel more alive when
• 35:31
  I do this. I'm doing this because I
• 35:33
  know how...
• 35:34
  Amazing. I'm gonna feel when it's over. Like,
• 35:37
  there's no other
• 35:38
  external
• 35:40
  validation or anything that I should be doing
• 35:41
  it for other than like,
• 35:43
  I feel more alive when I work really
• 35:45
  hard.
• 35:47
  Absolutely. Like, that's that's why we're in this
• 35:49
  whole life. Right? To get real deep about
• 35:51
  it, but, you know, it's not just to
• 35:53
  be, like, a 9 to 5 or or
• 35:55
  to just be I'm just mom or... Just,
• 35:57
  like a wife, Like,
• 35:59
  I have this
• 36:01
  intensity in me, and I'm gonna let it
• 36:03
  out. And so whatever that is, it does
• 36:04
  not to be running, It could be. I'm
• 36:06
  pickle ball or whatnot. But just finding that
• 36:09
  thing for you.
• 36:11
  I think that's just that's the key to...
• 36:13
  Yeah. Yes.
• 36:15
  New balance. You sponsored by new balance forever.
• 36:18
  And what does that feel like
• 36:21
  obviously, you haven't been in that world for
• 36:22
  a little while now, but
• 36:24
  what does that feel like
• 36:26
  being totally outside of it at this point
• 36:28
  and being on the outside looking in? Like
• 36:31
  we talked about the Olympic trials earlier, like
• 36:33
  seeing
• 36:33
  these athletes who have these brand obligations and
• 36:36
  all this stuff. What does that look like
• 36:38
  to you now? So 1 thing that's really
• 36:40
  interesting. I work in college athletics and the
• 36:44
  big change
• 36:45
  over the past few years is the name
• 36:47
  image likeness so that Call athletes.
• 36:50
  Can get
• 36:51
  deals. They can be entrepreneurs.
• 36:53
  They can get paid to play a concert,
• 36:55
  whatever it is. They can get paid
• 36:57
  all where they couldn't before because they were
• 36:59
  an athlete, and they were an amateur. And
• 37:02
  so I am really fired up skiing all
• 37:05
  the college runners getting these I deals with
• 37:08
  on or new balance or anyone,
• 37:11
  and being able to make money. While there's
• 37:14
  still call Athlete lead. I just think that's
• 37:16
  such a cool opportunity. And so, like, big
• 37:18
  applause to folks like new balance. Mh. And
• 37:21
  other brands who are taking advantage of this.
• 37:23
  Like, these athletes have big following. They have
• 37:26
  a voice. They have an opinion,
• 37:29
  and they're running really amazing. They're making Olympic
• 37:31
  teams or they're getting to the trials,
• 37:33
  which is a huge accomplishment,
• 37:35
  but especially when you're... In college and you're
• 37:38
  balancing all the things. So to see them
• 37:41
  get the chance to experience that sponsorship life
• 37:44
  before having to dive all the way in
• 37:46
  be a full pro.
• 37:47
  I think is a really cool opportunity. And
• 37:50
  so,
• 37:50
  yeah, I'm fired up. I will say you're
• 37:52
  talking about the trials. Like new balance always
• 37:54
  had the best house they would bring a
• 37:56
  chef in.
• 37:57
  I still follow the chef, chef Jb, and
• 38:00
  he's been posting, you know, Instagram stories about
• 38:02
  what he's cooking for everyone?
• 38:04
  I missed that a lot.
• 38:06
  I know I'm like, well you're you're going
• 38:08
  to the final weekend. Can you just, like
• 38:09
  go be like, hey, Jb. Can I get
• 38:12
  a little? Omelette or something? Yeah. Where's the
• 38:14
  pancakes? No. He's that probably probably. Really.
• 38:19
  But, yeah. I think, you know, with
• 38:22
  I
• 38:23
  know that some brands love to use their
• 38:25
  athletes like, in their
• 38:27
  marketing and stuff, and I think new balance
• 38:29
  is, like, doing a great job of that,
• 38:31
  especially with, you know, the Sydney Mc, the,
• 38:34
  you know, Mh new faces.
• 38:36
  They started doing that with us, They... When
• 38:38
  they had a lot of women, you know,
• 38:39
  Emma, Jenny, Brenda,
• 38:42
  Abby, like, all of those... Gosh, like, I
• 38:45
  think of my time as a sponsored athlete
• 38:47
  and, like, you we just had the best
• 38:49
  roster. You really did. Corey.
• 38:52
  Emily Sis. Mh.
• 38:54
  Did I mention Jenny Simpson like just
• 38:57
  thing. So
• 38:59
  yeah. So cool, and it was just such
• 39:01
  a privilege to be part of that for
• 39:03
  for 10 years. So... Yeah. Wow. 10 years.
• 39:07
  That's a lot
• 39:09
  That is a lot.
• 39:10
  You know when I talked to Jenny Simpson
• 39:13
  most recently
• 39:14
  and talked about... Her moving on from new
• 39:17
  balance.
• 39:18
  I I don't wanna quote her because I
• 39:20
  I won't say it exactly right. But she
• 39:23
  said something along the lines of, like, that
• 39:24
  was 1 of the greatest heartbreak breaks of
• 39:25
  her career is when
• 39:27
  her relationship as a sponsored athlete for them
• 39:30
  ended. And I I imagine it was. What
• 39:32
  was that like for you? I I don't
• 39:34
  remember when you were tired, like, you didn't
• 39:36
  make, like, a big announcement or anything? No.
• 39:39
  It just was, it was a combination of...
• 39:41
  And I was still going to have some
• 39:44
  light support from them, but I really had
• 39:46
  been dealing with injuries. I hadn't really raped.
• 39:50
  To my best potential for a little bit.
• 39:52
  And so it was just time to to
• 39:54
  step back and not feel that least pressure
• 39:57
  or obligation both ways. Right? Like, they didn't
• 40:00
  need to feel the obligation to keep giving
• 40:01
  me gear and, you know, and a salary
• 40:04
  or anything,
• 40:05
  and I didn't wanna feel that obligation to
• 40:07
  be, and they never had a contract like
• 40:09
  you hear with some athletes from other brands
• 40:11
  of, like, have to run. These 10 races.
• 40:14
  Like, it wasn't
• 40:15
  that intense for me. But
• 40:18
  you know, you just... When you're sponsored out
• 40:20
  that you want to go and represent your
• 40:22
  your brand and and your team. And so...
• 40:26
  And it was shifting too. There were so
• 40:28
  many groups now, you know, there's the team
• 40:30
  boss. There's just Mh. They're the the new
• 40:32
  balance Boston group, like, there were definitely starting
• 40:35
  to shift their resources in a different way.
• 40:38
  So it just was the right time for
• 40:40
  me to say, hey,
• 40:42
  like, I know I'm my contract up, but
• 40:44
  I'm on an extension, but, like, I think
• 40:46
  this is time to just
• 40:49
  that being said to to go back to
• 40:50
  what you... To Jenny comment, it was such...
• 40:54
  It is such a great
• 40:56
  brand. Like, their, like, corporate office is just
• 40:59
  they're great people, their true track fans,
• 41:03
  and
• 41:04
  especially in my era. It was just really
• 41:06
  had that family feel. Which I can't speak
• 41:09
  to any other brand, but
• 41:11
  it was really an awesome experience.
• 41:14
  Why did you decide to not, like, make
• 41:17
  somebody big enough? When you retired.
• 41:20
  It probably goes back to what we were
• 41:22
  mentioning in the beginning a little bit of
• 41:24
  that, like,
• 41:25
  I guess I'll use the word shame or
• 41:27
  just like, no. I I think I always...
• 41:31
  I don't... I don't quite know how to
• 41:32
  say this, but I think that I've...
• 41:35
  Always just felt, like, I'm not this big
• 41:38
  premier
• 41:39
  like, headline grabbing athlete. Like, I have a
• 41:41
  great little following. I've got people who, you
• 41:44
  know, support me,
• 41:46
  amazing coaches and peers, but I'm certainly not
• 41:48
  someone with hundreds of thousands of followers who
• 41:50
  are hanging on my every word. And so...
• 41:53
  And I also just knew that I... I
• 41:55
  was gonna shift my priorities into some different
• 41:58
  kinds of race thing into having a big
• 42:00
  girl job into having a family 1 day.
• 42:03
  And I just didn't wanna
• 42:05
  feel, like
• 42:06
  thing I don't know. I wanted to just
• 42:08
  have everything evolve gradually and not have this
• 42:11
  hard, like, and it's over.
• 42:14
  And so
• 42:15
  I knew I was gonna still do some
• 42:18
  racing. It was just gonna look different
• 42:21
  and not be as much, shouldn't not be
• 42:23
  as hardcore as Olympic trials, but
• 42:25
  I... Yeah. I just didn't feel like I
• 42:27
  needed to do a big, huge
• 42:29
  goodbye tour because
• 42:31
  I just didn't feel like I was that
• 42:32
  level of an athlete.
• 42:34
  That's that's interesting that you... I mean, I
• 42:37
  I get what you're saying and why you
• 42:38
  felt like that. I feel like... That really
• 42:41
  relates to
• 42:42
  any career.
• 42:45
  I mean, as you were talking,
• 42:46
  I was feeling that
• 42:48
  to my soul
• 42:50
  about this podcast.
• 42:52
  I was like, well, if I just up
• 42:53
  and quit 1 day, like,
• 42:56
  would I... Who what would I even say?
• 42:58
  Like, would anybody care? And, like, I don't
• 43:00
  even like that those feelings were coming into
• 43:01
  my mind, but they were as you were
• 43:03
  saying that? And I'm sure there's lots of
• 43:05
  people that feel that, like, deeply with whatever
• 43:08
  it is they're doing? Like,
• 43:10
  who do I matter to like, who's gonna
• 43:12
  care enough if... If I shift or do
• 43:14
  this or do that. And...
• 43:17
  But I wanna validate that your career was
• 43:19
  meaningful and important, and you did amazing things
• 43:23
  if Well, and let's take that... Go back
• 43:25
  to my,
• 43:26
  feeling at mile 17 Ci. Like, let's go
• 43:29
  back to that calling quickly People sq mindset
• 43:31
  of, like, you are the star of your
• 43:33
  own show. And that's you are worthy of
• 43:35
  that. And so, like, it doesn't matter if
• 43:37
  you're audience is, you know, a thousand listeners
• 43:41
  or, you know, a hundred thousand followers or
• 43:43
  whatever it is, and whatever lane you're in,
• 43:46
  audience like, you're allowed to go out as
• 43:49
  big or as low key as you want.
• 43:51
  I think I'm just more of a low
• 43:52
  key person,
• 43:53
  like
• 43:54
  not as flashy as sometimes it looks like
• 43:56
  on Instagram. You know, back in the day
• 43:59
  when you're in a big training group and
• 44:01
  you're in a diamond race and you can
• 44:02
  be flashy,
• 44:04
  but I think I'm much more just like,
• 44:06
  under the radar than than that as a
• 44:08
  person,
• 44:10
  I think that I'm gonna have to really
• 44:11
  lean into that calling quick... I mean, I'll
• 44:14
  never look like a super supermodel like calling
• 44:16
  quickly, but, like, I think I really need
• 44:17
  to, like, lean into that
• 44:19
  mindset,
• 44:20
  I I don't know that I've ever heard
• 44:22
  any anybody, like, give that
• 44:24
  anecdote or whatever, but I love it so
• 44:26
  much. And now I'm like, I gotta get
• 44:27
  colleen back on the show. You do. And
• 44:30
  she probably would have be like, I don't
• 44:31
  know if she might, like, laugh at me
• 44:32
  if if she, like, heard that, like, I
• 44:34
  think that I Her that way. But Yeah
• 44:36
  I love it. Compliment.
• 44:38
  You know, yeah. Were peers in the space.
• 44:40
  We were teammates in 20 15 worlds and,
• 44:43
  Anna you know, she... She's a great person,
• 44:45
  and I hope that all of her, like,
• 44:47
  endeavors go as well as they look on
• 44:50
  Instagram.
• 44:51
  But
• 44:52
  Yeah. It's just something it's a good it's
• 44:55
  good to have someone that you...
• 44:57
  I don't know. I think I I think
• 44:58
  about this.
• 45:00
  Maybe I don't wanna bring up be, like,
• 45:02
  oh, because I'm a woman, but, like, I
• 45:04
  want to be able to have a moment
• 45:06
  where I can like, look in the mirror
• 45:06
  and say, like, you're a badass ass. Like
• 45:08
  let's go do this. Walk into this Zoom
• 45:10
  meeting or go to the toddler playground with
• 45:14
  your kid and like, just own own your
• 45:16
  space. And so
• 45:18
  b you. So that's
• 45:20
  we all kinda need that little, like, superhero
• 45:22
  moment, and so
• 45:24
  totally, I was just like, I did this
• 45:26
  Instagram story. The other day, and, I was
• 45:28
  talking about, like, getting more eyes on track
• 45:30
  and field and Michael Johnson's thing that he's
• 45:32
  doing, and then I was like, saying, like,
• 45:34
  breathe
• 45:35
  like, how can we tell more stories like,
• 45:38
  for instance, like, your story being highlighted in
• 45:40
  bigger ways when you are competing things like
• 45:43
  that. And then after I put the story
• 45:45
  up, I was, like, who was I to
• 45:47
  voice my opinion? Like, who was I to
• 45:49
  talk about this? And I had these, like...
• 45:52
  Gross annoying doubts that, like, I didn't deserve
• 45:56
  to, like, have an opinion or, like, thoughts
• 45:58
  on that?
• 45:59
  I'm like, lindsay, what are? What are you
• 46:01
  doing? Like, why do you care if people
• 46:03
  do or do not think that you deserve
• 46:05
  to have a voice in this? Why do
• 46:07
  you think you don't? I just
• 46:09
  Why do we do that to ourselves?
• 46:11
  I don't know. I don't know, but I
• 46:12
  know I've always done that to myself. And
• 46:14
  so I'm here. I'm dev validating you, Lindsay.
• 46:17
  You have... A voice. You're you're using it.
• 46:19
  Your platform is amazing.
• 46:21
  III think we all
• 46:23
  we all do that. All do this. I'm
• 46:25
  in whatever context.
• 46:29
  Alright, friends. I wanna let you know if
• 46:31
  you are treating for a half marathon or
• 46:33
  a marathon, I have training plans on my
• 46:36
  website at lindsay high dot com. The half
• 46:39
  marathon plans are 14 weeks. There's a beginner
• 46:41
  beginner so a beginner as you can get.
• 46:44
  There's a beginner intermediate. There's an intermediate and
• 46:47
  there's advanced. So there's 4 options. And then
• 46:50
  we have marathon training plans that are 18
• 46:52
  weeks that give you a nice base spilled,
• 46:54
  and I have 3 options there, a beginner,
• 46:57
  intermediate and advanced. When you go to the
• 46:59
  website and click on each training plan, it'll
• 47:01
  tell you what the Mileage starts at.
• 47:03
  With the long run starts starts at with
• 47:05
  the
• 47:06
  entirety of the week total mileage is at
• 47:08
  and how it builds you. I'm super conservative
• 47:11
  with how I build miles. And I've had
• 47:13
  a lot of people who have had tons
• 47:15
  of success. Go to lindsay hi dot com
• 47:17
  to learn more and grab yourself an awesome
• 47:19
  training plan.
• 47:20
  Alright. Back to the show.
• 47:24
  I think we should talk a little bit
• 47:26
  about the 20 15.
• 47:28
  World's team that you are on because we
• 47:30
  should talk about
• 47:31
  the really big moments that you got to
• 47:34
  celebrate and that we'll always be
• 47:37
  on that line on your Wikipedia page or
• 47:39
  whatever.
• 47:40
  So talk about that moment and what that
• 47:43
  meant in your, the, like, holistic view of
• 47:46
  your career.
• 47:48
  Yeah.
• 47:48
  Like, thinking back to just making that team.
• 47:51
  Oh, my gosh. Like,
• 47:53
  Everyone who's doing the trials. And tonight, you
• 47:55
  know, the S Chase final to give context
• 47:58
  for when we're recording this, but I'm I'm
• 48:00
  super emotional because this is gonna be a
• 48:02
  fresh team of Olympia, like, totally. You know,
• 48:05
  we have our 3 former Olympia who are
• 48:07
  not gonna... Who are not competing.
• 48:10
  So sad and devastated for them, but gosh,
• 48:12
  like, I'm gonna be on pins and needles
• 48:15
  this whole race of, like, who's gonna make
• 48:17
  it. I am I'm already again, getting goosebumps
• 48:20
  again. But to take me back to 20
• 48:22
  15,
• 48:23
  you just know, like, my coach and I,
• 48:25
  my coach at the time Robert Gary,
• 48:28
  from Thurman,
• 48:29
  he,
• 48:30
  and I would talk about how success was
• 48:33
  the culmination of
• 48:35
  opportunity and preparation. When preparation opportunity, that's where
• 48:39
  success is. And so
• 48:40
  I
• 48:41
  was really fit. We'd worked really hard. He's
• 48:45
  a 2 time Olympia in the S. So
• 48:47
  I trust everything that he gave me. I
• 48:48
  just did he told me And I we
• 48:51
  were ready, and I had an aggressive race
• 48:54
  plan. I was an aggressive race back then.
• 48:58
  Getting on Emma and just, like, following her
• 49:00
  as long as I could until she had
• 49:01
  that other
• 49:02
  amazing year and chopped everybody. But,
• 49:05
  I did that.
• 49:07
  Across the line. I was second, and I
• 49:09
  made that team. I crawled across the line.
• 49:11
  I was so tired at that point, but
• 49:14
  and then to get, you know, fast forward
• 49:16
  get to Beijing,
• 49:18
  I had been on the 20 11 world
• 49:20
  team before 2, I was an alternate. That
• 49:23
  got called in at the last minute, So
• 49:24
  I had been
• 49:25
  on that world stage as a
• 49:28
  college senior.
• 49:29
  Wow. That And so
• 49:33
  I just felt
• 49:35
  prepared for the moment. I felt like I
• 49:36
  had done the preparation and the opportunity was
• 49:38
  there.
• 49:40
  We...
• 49:41
  Yeah. I,
• 49:43
  I guess I just have this, like, huge
• 49:44
  smile, my face remembering, and being in that
• 49:46
  final, and
• 49:48
  Yeah. Like,
• 49:49
  the race
• 49:51
  played differently than we thought,
• 49:53
  it was kind of like a slow fast.
• 49:55
  Faster and we thought it might start fast.
• 49:57
  And anyway, it just...
• 50:00
  But finishing in ninth, ninth in the world,
• 50:03
  just I Yeah. I can't... I couldn't have
• 50:06
  done anything more in that moment. I did
• 50:08
  a... I put it all out there, and,
• 50:10
  it was so cool.
• 50:12
  And that was the first time we had
• 50:14
  Not just all 3
• 50:16
  Us women make the final, at the world
• 50:18
  championship.
• 50:19
  We had all 3 Us men s make
• 50:21
  the final.
• 50:22
  And so that was really cool to have,
• 50:24
  like, a full team
• 50:26
  in the final of the S.
• 50:30
  Yeah. It was just... Really... I just think
• 50:32
  that I was part of this really, really
• 50:34
  cool era.
• 50:35
  You were. Of of Steep specifically, but track
• 50:38
  to
• 50:39
  where
• 50:40
  Nowadays,
• 50:42
  the Us
• 50:43
  distance
• 50:44
  athletes are so dominant, like, we're talking about,
• 50:46
  like, oh, is
• 50:48
  Cra gonna win a medal. Like,
• 50:51
  you know, I was there when when,
• 50:54
  Emily
• 50:55
  is Warner metal. And, you know, Molly, like,
• 50:58
  she out outlined molly. Like. Like, it just...
• 51:01
  That was a first for Oh, my gosh.
• 51:03
  That was the 20 15 world championship. When
• 51:05
  Emily metal.
• 51:07
  Yeah.
• 51:08
  And so just like
• 51:11
  and the our 800 meter ago. Like, we
• 51:12
  we just... Right now, the Us is, like,
• 51:15
  dominant across the board, and I got to
• 51:16
  be there for, like, seeing those pieces, like,
• 51:19
  start coming into place, and
• 51:22
  it just feels really cool. There's times where
• 51:25
  I wish that I was, like,
• 51:26
  3 years younger. And then I would in
• 51:28
  super shoes or some, like, different level of
• 51:31
  sponsorship.
• 51:33
  And sometimes I wish I was older where
• 51:35
  like, it was all new and you could
• 51:37
  just run, like, 10 flat in the steep.
• 51:39
  You be like the 1. Yeah. 1,
• 51:41
  but I'm I'm I'm so just, like, grateful
• 51:44
  for the place that I was put in
• 51:47
  and the era I was put in,
• 51:49
  because
• 51:50
  I don't know. There was also just grit
• 51:52
  to it? I know. Athletes are gritty now.
• 51:54
  Don't get me wrong. But, like, we didn't
• 51:56
  have all the, like,
• 51:58
  should we just... It was just different
• 52:00
  maybe all the older athletes say that like,
• 52:03
  hey we had to go uphill both ways.
• 52:05
  But
• 52:06
  you know, every every next generation gets
• 52:09
  things done a little bit differently, and maybe
• 52:12
  a little bit better,
• 52:14
  comes with different pressures too. But
• 52:16
  I just... I'm biased, but I loved my
• 52:18
  era.
• 52:19
  I love that so much. You're so right
• 52:21
  there, like, every... Because I'm I'm a little
• 52:23
  bit older than you, but like, we... Same
• 52:25
  thing with, like, all these big marathons. I'm
• 52:28
  always like, it was so different early on
• 52:30
  in the early days. Like, everything's changed so
• 52:33
  much I'm like, Lindsay. Just fine. Go at
• 52:35
  the times, man...
• 52:37
  Yeah. I... I don't wanna be like that
• 52:39
  growing and the person
• 52:41
  oh shaking my fist. Like, you and your
• 52:43
  Super Pursues and your fancy agents and your
• 52:46
  deals, but, like,
• 52:48
  theory though to think back. To, like, what
• 52:51
  it was. I think it's... I think that's
• 52:53
  special because that moment in time matters. I
• 52:56
  can remember my, like, first trip to Europe,
• 52:58
  again, like, that...
• 53:00
  Like, fifth year senior of college, just, like,
• 53:02
  getting a ticket to... I think I was
• 53:04
  going to Switzerland and just, like,
• 53:07
  where do I go? I land. No 1
• 53:08
  told me where to go? How do I
• 53:10
  find the race people? I, like, wandered around
• 53:12
  for an hour. Like, it just... I my
• 53:14
  cell phone didn't work. You know, Like, it's
• 53:16
  just so different now. Everyone's so connected and
• 53:19
  dialed in, and you can see everything,
• 53:21
  like, via social media. That's
• 53:24
  that that is a privilege in a in
• 53:26
  a in a struggle. I'm sure, pressure and
• 53:28
  a privilege. So for sure. Everything on Str.
• 53:31
  Put all your training out there, like,
• 53:33
  everyone can judge that. I'm... That's not I
• 53:36
  hide my struggle like, especially now when I'm
• 53:39
  running, like, barely, but
• 53:41
  Oh, I wanna see your str. I don't
• 53:43
  hide it.
• 53:44
  Oh.
• 53:46
  Here's the caveat. I do so much. Stroller
• 53:49
  running.
• 53:50
  Yes. We're out of this phase, but so
• 53:53
  many of my miles are stroller miles. Oh,
• 53:55
  yeah. Like little that.
• 53:57
  But I would always just write it on
• 53:59
  the title. I would be, like, stroller run,
• 54:00
  or I'd be, like, better yet. Double stroller
• 54:03
  run. Because let me tell you that double
• 54:05
  stroller is...
• 54:07
  Way harder than the single. Let's get into
• 54:09
  that. What which what was the 1 you
• 54:11
  use? Was it the box? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 54:14
  Use the Bob. I actually still have it
• 54:15
  sitting out here. I can, like, see it
• 54:16
  out my window.
• 54:18
  We have to... I have, like, so much
• 54:20
  crap that I need to just, like, get
• 54:21
  rid of that's out there.
• 54:23
  But I mean let me v you for
• 54:25
  that. You right fill it out to me.
• 54:27
  Oh, you don't want it. Nobody wants this
• 54:29
  bob. I mean,
• 54:30
  we always say, like, I wish that we
• 54:32
  would have put an odometer on it. And
• 54:34
  because my husband also did a lot of
• 54:36
  stroller running with it. I mean, I've done
• 54:38
  20 mile runs with that thing. Yep. Just
• 54:40
  like,
• 54:42
  it's in... I mean, 5000 miles. I don't
• 54:44
  know. It's got a lot of freaking miles
• 54:46
  on it.
• 54:47
  The double Bob not so much. I just...
• 54:49
  I never...
• 54:51
  Really enjoyed a double stroller run. I will
• 54:53
  say that we saw the other day this
• 54:56
  couple, and she was pushing, like, the... They
• 54:59
  were running. He was pushing the double, and
• 55:01
  she was pushing like, a little or baby
• 55:04
  more in the bassinet style, which I'm like,
• 55:06
  yeah. You're I'm supposed to run with that.
• 55:07
  But... And I was, like, 3 kids. Parents
• 55:10
  running. I'm like, that's some goals out there.
• 55:12
  So yeah. We at 1 point got a
• 55:14
  triple.
• 55:16
  And... Because my oldest was 6.
• 55:19
  When my youngest was born. She had just
• 55:21
  turned 6, so he... I'm mean, like, my
• 55:24
  6 year old now, My own... He's almost
• 55:25
  6. I would never put him in a
• 55:27
  stroll first stroller run. But at the time,
• 55:31
  he was my oldest, and we couldn't leave
• 55:34
  anybody home obviously. So we would... Glen would
• 55:37
  pushed the triple, and I would push the
• 55:38
  single, and we we did that for about
• 55:41
  a year.
• 55:42
  But, yeah, I I would say that the
• 55:44
  double to the triple
• 55:45
  was
• 55:47
  similar.
• 55:48
  The single to the doubles felt like a
• 55:50
  bigger jump.
• 55:51
  Yeah. That's... I'm... I love a single stroller
• 55:54
  run, but nice that's the other thing. We
• 55:56
  lived in Indian and it was flat pancake
• 55:58
  flat. Now in Raleigh, I'm like,
• 56:01
  I don't know what I would have done
• 56:02
  for stroller runs. Like that would be so
• 56:04
  hard. So Yeah. Where we are out here.
• 56:07
  It's Hill. Yeah. Yeah. So.
• 56:10
  Yeah. Yeah. It's and, also, like the downhill.
• 56:13
  You don't wanna just, like, send it in,
• 56:14
  like, risk anything. Gotta be careful. Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:17
  See. Down running. That's scary, but... Yeah. You
• 56:20
  can have done an entire hour on just
• 56:22
  the mom talk, here. Oh, for sure. I
• 56:24
  know. Forget to... This is turned into your
• 56:27
  mommy podcast now.
• 56:29
  So you're working with David Roach? I am.
• 56:33
  Okay. And so
• 56:34
  you've kind of, like, Fur.
• 56:37
  I know you're working with Kim Conley and
• 56:40
  Drew.
• 56:41
  And now, David,
• 56:43
  what is the, like, coaching
• 56:45
  relationship been like for you with all your
• 56:47
  different coaches?
• 56:49
  I really value having, like, a strong personal
• 56:52
  connection with the coach. I was so close
• 56:55
  and so in sync with
• 56:57
  coach Robert Gary,
• 56:59
  and his wife, Frida and, like, you know,
• 57:02
  we were just so in sync,
• 57:04
  during my time with Fu Elite,
• 57:08
  when I was with Kim and Drew, like,
• 57:10
  it was just me and Kim. You know,
• 57:11
  they had their bigger group at a certain
• 57:12
  point, but it was just literally Me and
• 57:14
  Cam. I lived down the street from them.
• 57:16
  We would drive to practice together. You know,
• 57:18
  I would to walk out the door and
• 57:19
  run together.
• 57:21
  I was really close with Kim ever since
• 57:24
  she made, you know, 20 12 when she
• 57:26
  made that first team.
• 57:28
  So that was a great,
• 57:30
  And then I went back to Robert to
• 57:32
  try and see if I could kinda get
• 57:35
  after this 20 20, 20 21.
• 57:38
  Olympic trials and just things just again, injuries
• 57:41
  just kind of help me back too much.
• 57:44
  And so... But from there, I did quickly
• 57:46
  shift to David,
• 57:47
  I love him and his wife. They actually
• 57:49
  had... Their their kiddo, the first kiddo is
• 57:52
  just a few weeks younger than handling.
• 57:55
  So we kinda went through that together. Oh,
• 57:58
  and they're expecting a second.
• 58:01
  I think that's another part of...
• 58:03
  The challenges of being a mother runner is,
• 58:05
  like, I do want... We do wanna expand
• 58:07
  our family. Mh. Then there's a little part
• 58:09
  of that where I'm like, well, we're in
• 58:10
  our trying to conceive era.
• 58:12
  Like,
• 58:13
  how hard do I really wanna train?
• 58:15
  And how... Like, do I wanna set a
• 58:17
  race goal when I'm actually, like, really hoping
• 58:19
  to have another kiddo?
• 58:21
  And so
• 58:22
  I hope I'm pregnant it in that month
• 58:24
  and I can't run, you know. So so
• 58:25
  that's So hard. Yeah. That's a challenge. So...
• 58:29
  I was just, like, so resonating with that
• 58:31
  because it's, like,
• 58:32
  you...
• 58:33
  It's like, you don't wanna put all your
• 58:34
  eggs in that basket in case it doesn't
• 58:36
  work out for some reason.
• 58:39
  But then at the same time, you're like,
• 58:40
  what if it is? Gonna happen. Like, I
• 58:42
  don't wanna, like, go all out, and it's
• 58:44
  like,
• 58:45
  gosh. Like, you... That's 1 of those things
• 58:47
  of family planning. Like, you can't go all
• 58:49
  in either way because you can't
• 58:51
  assume anything's gonna happen either way. 100 percent.
• 58:55
  It's so hard
• 58:56
  emotionally too.
• 58:58
  Exactly. And then, you know... Yeah. I mean,
• 59:01
  again, this is this is the mom podcast
• 59:02
  right here. This is that content, but but,
• 59:04
  yeah, It is really emotional, and and I'm
• 59:06
  trying to be very casual about this, like,
• 59:08
  early...
• 59:09
  Taking
• 59:10
  phase of, like, we're just gonna go with
• 59:12
  the flow. We're just gonna see what happens.
• 59:13
  I can stress later, you know, but let's
• 59:15
  just take a few months to just, like,
• 59:17
  try have fun,
• 59:19
  but it's hard to not care. Right? Or
• 59:21
  not to be, like, emotionally invested in, like,
• 59:24
  oh, what am I feeling? What is that?
• 59:26
  Like, it's just
• 59:28
  So...
• 59:29
  Yeah. So that makes a different... Another challenge
• 59:31
  for for training and for motivation and for,
• 59:34
  you know,
• 59:35
  getting after it. I think that that's just
• 59:39
  another thing there is just, like, that's why
• 59:42
  this is, like, woo woo whatever, but, like,
• 59:44
  just
• 59:45
  we always hear people talk about, like, being
• 59:47
  present,
• 59:47
  and that's why, like, at this phase, like,
• 59:50
  instead of being, like, I wanna do this
• 59:52
  in 6 months, I wanna do this. And
• 59:53
  1 year I wanna do this. It's, like,
• 59:55
  what's happening today?
• 59:57
  How do I feel today about this? Do
• 59:59
  I wanna work really hard today? You know?
• 1:00:02
  Lindsay, that is the my... That is my
• 1:00:04
  challenge. I always have the 5 year plan.
• 1:00:08
  The 4 year cycle. Right? The, like, olympic
• 1:00:10
  cycle we're gonna do this race and this
• 1:00:12
  race, we're gonna focus on this event, and
• 1:00:14
  then we're gonna get back and qualify
• 1:00:16
  and make the team. You know, Like, that
• 1:00:18
  just is how this my brain works as
• 1:00:21
  a track person. And so it's so hard,
• 1:00:24
  you know, to
• 1:00:25
  let go. But That's what so much of
• 1:00:28
  parenting and life is. So... Yeah. So much
• 1:00:32
  unknown.
• 1:00:32
  Okay. We have to wrap up here. What
• 1:00:35
  is something professionally or personally that you have
• 1:00:37
  not done that you would like to do?
• 1:00:39
  Yeah. I think it'd be the ultra.
• 1:00:41
  So
• 1:00:42
  Yes. Love that. 50 k on the horizon.
• 1:00:46
  We don't know when, but it'll happen. It
• 1:00:48
  will happen.
• 1:00:49
  What's the best most recent book you've read?
• 1:00:52
  Lindsay see. I really just read, like, parenting
• 1:00:54
  books right now. Has a potty training book.
• 1:00:57
  I...
• 1:00:58
  Have you read any good ones? Any good
• 1:01:00
  parenting books?
• 1:01:03
  I I liked a lot of the, like,
• 1:01:04
  montessori, taller, montessori baby.
• 1:01:07
  Again, marine the o crop. Potty training book.
• 1:01:11
  And
• 1:01:12
  yeah. Thinking about it. Like, I do have
• 1:01:14
  a fiction book that demon copper head that
• 1:01:17
  I was like, So good. Yeah. It's it.
• 1:01:20
  I know. I've, like, I've started it. It's
• 1:01:23
  intense. It's... I mean, it's hard. Yeah. I
• 1:01:25
  mean, it's it's sad, but it's really good.
• 1:01:27
  Yes. So, anyway, lots of, you know, I
• 1:01:30
  read curious George with my kiddo. We're in
• 1:01:32
  a deep curious George face. So, all all
• 1:01:35
  kinds of recommendations there for anyone in any
• 1:01:37
  stage of life.
• 1:01:39
  Do you have a nonprofit you like to
• 1:01:41
  support? Love girls in the run. Love love
• 1:01:43
  love it
• 1:01:44
  and have, like, ever since my early days
• 1:01:47
  of being a pro,
• 1:01:48
  and it's just great because there's always gonna
• 1:01:50
  be 1 in your region,
• 1:01:52
  they do amazing things. And, like, that is
• 1:01:54
  what we're all about is, like, elevating women
• 1:01:56
  in sport. It starts as being a as
• 1:01:58
  being a kiddo and and being
• 1:02:01
  introduced to it and exposed to it and
• 1:02:03
  seeing strong,
• 1:02:04
  women seeing your mom out there.
• 1:02:07
  I'm all about that.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah. And I'll just add 1 note to
• 1:02:10
  that.
• 1:02:12
  I've been talking about a lot about youth
• 1:02:14
  sports a lot, and
• 1:02:16
  the youth sport culture is so
• 1:02:19
  crazy. It's so expensive. It's so exhausting.
• 1:02:23
  A and people go crazy
• 1:02:25
  because they want their kids to make like
• 1:02:27
  high school teams.
• 1:02:29
  Like, literally, they'll do
• 1:02:31
  so much travel soccer, All these travel sports,
• 1:02:34
  very expensive,
• 1:02:35
  and then their kid doesn't make the team,
• 1:02:38
  and they give up on sports. And that
• 1:02:39
  makes me so sad, and I think with
• 1:02:41
  a program like girls on the run,
• 1:02:43
  it has nothing to do with making any
• 1:02:45
  teams. It has nothing to do with what
• 1:02:47
  kind of star player you'll be. It's about
• 1:02:50
  instill,
• 1:02:51
  the love of movement,
• 1:02:53
  the love of friendship and teamwork and all
• 1:02:55
  the things that like, we want for a
• 1:02:57
  life
• 1:02:58
  lifetime. So, yeah, I'm, like, more passionate about
• 1:03:02
  that than ever in this age of, like,
• 1:03:05
  crazy youth sports.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Absolutely, all for it. I just felt like
• 1:03:10
  I had to, like. Let's do it. Rate
• 1:03:13
  rage on that a little bit.
• 1:03:15
  Last message to leave with the audience. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  I do affirmations with my toddler, and it
• 1:03:20
  is the sweetest thing to hear him because
• 1:03:23
  now there's one's. And the 2 that are
• 1:03:24
  stuck in his head the most that he
• 1:03:26
  always will start yelling out at bedtime are
• 1:03:29
  I am worthy and I have purpose. And
• 1:03:32
  it kind of, like, ties bow on everything
• 1:03:34
  we've been talking about here of, like,
• 1:03:37
  you're valid. Your feelings are valid. Your experiences
• 1:03:39
  are. Like, you don't have to be in
• 1:03:42
  Olympia to be worthy.
• 1:03:43
  You don't have to be, you know, the
• 1:03:45
  star Cpa
• 1:03:47
  to have a purpose. Like, it can be
• 1:03:49
  whatever you it it can be whatever it
• 1:03:51
  needs to be. So You're worthy and you
• 1:03:53
  of purpose. I think if everyone truly felt
• 1:03:56
  that deep in their soul.
• 1:03:58
  We'd be in a little bit of a
• 1:03:59
  different world. You are an everyday hero. I
• 1:04:03
  love that. Thank you, Steph. Thank you, Lindsay
• 1:04:05
  I'm so thrilled to be on with you,
• 1:04:07
  and it's This has been so much fun.
• 1:04:09
  I'm ready to be on the mom's side
• 1:04:11
  of the podcast. Let's do that 1 next.
• 1:04:14
  Alright, friends. Thanks so much for being here
• 1:04:16
  today. Thanks Steph for coming on the podcast.
• 1:04:18
  Excited to follow your story as it unfolds,
• 1:04:22
  loved hearing your perspective.
• 1:04:24
  Post retirement from The S Chase.
• 1:04:27
  You all can find stuff on Instagram She
• 1:04:29
  stuff underscore staples over there, You can find
• 1:04:32
  me. I'm Lindsay Hines 626.
• 1:04:34
  Thanks for being here, and we'll see you
• 1:04:36
  next week and I'll have another.