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[ENG] RB Wololo Ladder Qualifier · Start the game already!

• 0:11
  Hello, everyone. Welcome to a very spontaneous
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  podcast. And we'll be talking about the
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  Red Bull Wallolo letter qualifier that has just
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  concluded. And when I say we, I'm of course
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  talking again to Daniela. Hello.
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  Hello. Of course, of course.
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  Who else? Who?
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  Else. Thanks for having me again
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  Chris, pleasure to be here. Of course, yes, it's it's
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  actually my pleasure. I've heard that you've been very
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  emotional about the ending of the Red Bull Wallow Qualifier.
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  Hello boy. When I tuned into your stream
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  today, I heard you say that you may or may not have said some
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  things that you might regret. Might regret for like I was so I
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  was so tense and Oh my God I it. Was.
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  I, I said about this before as well.
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  Maybe because I'm not a big streamer feels like I, I, I
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  don't have that streamer personality set up and where,
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  you know, you're kind of waiting your every phrasing and every
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  word and you're a bit more diplomatic.
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  Sometimes I'm, I'm a bit too real with my, with my viewers
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  and I'm just, you know, straight up say whatever crosses my mind.
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  And you know, sometimes that can be taken out of context.
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  I I don't, I don't regret what I said yesterday when that
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  concluded, but definitely there were a couple of things that I
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  could have phrased in more elegantly.
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  OK. There's many ways to go about
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  this and you'll get plenty of chances to repeat what you think
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  and how you feel about the qualifiers.
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  I will certainly do. So I would suggest we just go
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  through the different qualifying, let's say sections
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  starting with the first four players on rank #1 the winner of
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  this Red Bull Waterloo letter qualifier, which by the way, has
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  been going on for 14 days. And these four players that I'm
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  going to mention now, they are they have won a direct invite to
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  the main event in London. And this is Hera on #1 then ACCM
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  Leary and well, actually let's stay there.
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  Let's let's talk about the first three players before we get to
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  #4 and five, because that is the first probably bigger subject we
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  need to talk about. So I guess it's no surprise that
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  Hera was basically ranked number one from the first day on and
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  held that position until the very end.
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  Yeah, definitely no surprise there.
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  I feel like by the end definitely felt like ACCM was
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  getting close, Vince was getting close, but he didn't manage to
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  to beat the the top position or to contest it.
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  Quite a quite a good run from Hera.
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  Yeah, I was thinking to myself that to me, Hera has proven that
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  the that he is the ultimate champion in not only gameplay
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  mechanically and ladder wise, but to be honest, just the way
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  he was behaving during this tournament, because that man has
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  almost 250 games. There was quite a lot of time
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  when I felt that he shouldn't play from a strategic
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  standpoint, but he still did for entertainment purposes, for
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  content purposes. And just when he really had to
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  stop, he did. And then he started casting.
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  But my God, I think Hera is so professional and so good at the
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  game that he is just, he's he, he's just giving us such a
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  contribution in whatever he's doing right now that I'm
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  absolutely stunned by him. And I'm, I really admire the
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  guy. That's what I'm trying to say.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. And it showed he streamed for
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  every single day. Well, maybe I think there were
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  two days when he didn't stream, but that's usually on Fridays
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  when he usually has Friday as his day off when he's not
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  streaming. But other than that, you are
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  absolutely right in everything you said.
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  He he streamed everyday content. Content over content over
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  content was yours. In the last 48 hours the players
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  had that. We're going to get to this rule
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  later on for sure as well. But in the last two days,
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  players also had a rule that they cannot live stream their
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  games except if they have a 2 minutes delay.
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  And to be honest, in the last two days, there was no reason
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  for him to play anyway because he was so high above everyone
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  else that then playing would just mean he's he's even risking
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  his position by if you, if you lose a game, you're so far up
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  that you're going to donate a lot of points to to other people
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  and you don't want that. So he just stopped casted when
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  he was not finding games or when he was feeling the need to stop.
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  Even in the rest of the tournament when he was streaming
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  his games, he would just hop into a game or two and cast.
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  He streamed 910 hours every single day.
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  When he casted viewership showed up.
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  I I even opened spec dashboard because that's what I used to
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  spectator matches and the streamers tab.
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  He was live on Twitch and YouTube with almost 8000
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  viewers. I can't describe, I can't even
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  begin to describe how that reflects on the scene, how good
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  that is for the scene. Yeah, 100%.
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  I mean, that guy, he's one of the few people who was not
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  involved in the betting thing who had a very clear standpoint
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  on it. He is super successful and
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  professional. He's advertising for the scene
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  in the community as a whole by creating the content and trying
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  to get other teams and other, I don't know, parties involved in
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  this. He's he's doing the cooperations
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  with other streamers from different kind of games.
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  He's doing so much. I think it's not sad enough how
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  important Hera is. Or in other words, I feel like
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  Hera is doing the same thing that T-90 was doing when the
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  game was dead. Because in some way, T-90 is the
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  one who revived the game. In my opinion.
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  It's just incredible. And this makes me chuckles
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  because like, of course, because he's the best player in the
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  game. He has a lot of people that love
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  him, but he also have has a lot of haters and a lot of people
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  that just hate because they need to hate someone as well.
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  They need a villain villain in their story.
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  And I think that villain was the other day in my chat when I was
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  basically more or less talking about this this exact exact same
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  thing. I I said what you just said and
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  this viewer is just saying how does Hera do more than any other
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  pro? And then I just I just chuckled
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  and left it at that. Like OK my homie, if you can see
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  why I well, OK. Yeah, I think there's no denying
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  that this is the the truth. And I'm also not saying that
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  other content creators or players have to do what he does.
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  I I'm, I'm actually saying the opposite.
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  I'm saying Hera doesn't need to do that and he still does it,
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  which is why I respect him so much for this.
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  What mixing in the passion means?
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  Yeah, yeah. But then again, you know, I
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  remember Hera when he was like, what was he, 1718?
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  He was toxic as fuck and his community was so toxic.
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  So I believe there might still be people out there who remember
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  that kind of Hera and hate him because of that part in his life
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  which he turned around so well. But.
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  Yeah, that's that's the thing. Like I, I, you know what, I'm
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  not telling people who to who to like and who to dislike and who
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  to support and not support. But you see all the time it is
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  kind of posts like, oh, Hera has such a charming personality.
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  Hera has such a nice vibe on his dream.
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  And then here comes the hater. Like Hera, you don't remember
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  this and then boom, slaps a six years old video when he tilted
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  at NBL on Arena. OK, dude.
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  But that's not like if you tune into any of Hera's streams
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  nowadays, that's simply not the Hera that you are going to find.
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  We all had dumb moments. We all had, you know, teenage
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  faces. Yeah, yeah.
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  I don't know. Well, I'm very excited for him.
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  I think it's well deserved, and I'm just very impressed by his
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  performance on this ladder. On 2nd place we've got ACCM, and
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  ACCM is probably one of the protagonists of this ladder
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  because he had at one point A-35 win streak if I remember
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  correctly, and he's played exactly 100 games in total,
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  which is among the top 25, the least games played.
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  There was also the storyline that ACCM would dodge certain
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  players, which he embraced so much.
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  I don't know. Did you see the the discussion
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  between Dave and ACCM? The discussion?
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  No. OK, so so that's really funny
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  because apparently Dave and ACCM, they only communicate via
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  Discord by posting gifts or gifts to each other.
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  And so Dave was after Hera sniped ACCM in the middle of the
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  night because this was a, this was a kind of funny joke between
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  everyone that ACCM would dodge certain players and Hera was out
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  to snipe ACCM because his score was so high, so he would get
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  lots of points from him. And then in the middle of the
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  night, Hera actually sniped ACCM and he lost that game against
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  him, which is super funny by itself.
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  Then Dave posted something like oh you're so funny to ACCM and
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  well done, and ACCM posted back a GIF of somebody hiding in the
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  bushes, which is hilarious. Yeah, like he did that every
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  single, every single evening when other people would be like
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  other streaming. He he game online, played one
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  game and then he would just leave.
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  I remember hard being tilted at one evening and he he was, he
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  was playing. He's like, oh, I got a CCMACCM
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  online. He he got ACCM the game.
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  They both went random because there's another controversy with
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  the ACCM about for speaking Koreans and for speaking certain
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  sieves, Koreans and Romans specifically.
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  They both went random but ACCM random on, Korean on, romance
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  on. Oh my God, I didn't.
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  Know wins the game, wins the game and then he just stops
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  playing and then heart just goes on to a rant like he just wins
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  the game and goes uninstalls the game.
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  But that's so smart I would do the same.
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  It's it's ACCM did the perfect strategy.
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  Every, every player had one and they all kind of, you know,
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  orbitated around this. Basically, if you get yourself
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  in the top 4, you, there's no reason for you to continue
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  playing. You just sit, wait, let the
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  others get to you, and then when you're in danger, you continue
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  playing. Well done to Accmi, think that
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  whole storyline was extremely entertaining and funny and
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  everybody was just waiting for ACCM to to show up again and do
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  his thing and then disappear again.
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  But that 35 win streak is amazing. 37. 37 even.
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  Oh my. Yeah, 37 and I think he played
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  exactly 100 games. He had 85 wins, 15 losses.
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  It's so impressive and despite him sniping certain people or
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  just playing very seldomly, he played against pretty much
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  everyone from the top 25 and even when he played against
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  heroin he took the win. So there's he's got nothing to
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  be ashamed of. I think he was the most
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  intelligent player out of the whole bunch.
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  Yeah, for, for, for qualifying, Yeah.
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  Now one can make a case that he will have a lot more work to
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  prepare for the actual main event.
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  Because let me tell you something, Curry and Sundown
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  Springs are going to be the first band, not Roman.
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  Sorry, I keep saying Koreans that I only have Koreans in my
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  head. Sounds like a trauma to me.
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  Koreans are on any other map they will be banned as well.
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  So he will have a lot of preparation to do.
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  He still has until April, God knows months, there's other
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  tournaments in the meantime and etcetera.
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  But he will have more work than the others to do because he only
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  played certain players with certain sibs mostly.
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  Like I I'm not saying that he was hiding from the majority,
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  but he he was playing strategically this, you know,
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  ladder game. Chaos is a ladder.
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  I would actually like to counter that argument.
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  I think that ACCM is probably the most prepared out of all of
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  them because apparently he's been training apart from the
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  leather games. Like besides the leather games
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  with certain players, for example, Winchester, it's not
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  proven, but it's seems kind of obvious and I'm not sure how
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  much preparation it is to play day and night.
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  Lots of, lots of games. And they were, most of them were
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  also playing the Korean mirrors and just very selective games.
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  To me, preparation for a tournament is very concentrated,
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  very focused on certain things you you, you plan on doing and
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  trying out. And I don't think this ladder
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  qualifier served that purpose for anyone, to be honest.
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  Yeah, for sure. No.
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  There were a lot of aspects of this ladder qualifiers in my
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  opinion, that could have been improved, but we're going to.
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  I'm going to talk about that just because you're mixing up
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  Romans and Koreans. Did you see that in one game
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  where it was a Byzantine mirror between Viper and I don't know
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  who? Viper lost the game because he
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  was playing under the assumption that it's a Korean mirror.
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  Built barracks when he was going to castle.
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  Oh my. God, Can you imagine?
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  And then he had to give. It I didn't see that much, but
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  Can you imagine the everyone the spectators reaction like Oh, but
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  he's what is he expecting? Is he going to go Byzantine long
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  sores in Catholic. What pineman push?
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  It just goes to show that everyone had Koreans on their
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  mind all the time. Also, while we're at this ACCM's
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  win streak, I want to throw in a shout out to Mr. You for
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  breaking it. The way, oh, was he the guy who
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  broke it? Was it a Korean mirror or what
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  was it? Well, somebody had to do it.
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  Like everyone was just playing that.
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  You're played I think 1000 games on that map.
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  He they played versus. I think it was 3 days before the
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  line was drawn or something. You're versus Hart four or five
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  games in a row. Korean mirror on Voltpine.
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  It's just printing the same picture five times.
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  I swear it was the Oh my God. It was quite exhausting in my
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  opinion, and also a little bit boring after a while.
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  For everyone, honestly. Yeah, I I really didn't want to
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  be a Castor, to be honest. You can see also how you know
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  there would still be a lot of Korean mirrors from the guys
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  that really, really needed the the win.
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  But if they just needed to play and get a couple more wins in
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  the last two days, I've seen less Korean mirrors than in the
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  beginning of the last week, if that makes any sense Because
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  like everyone was kind of trying to secure their position.
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  But they're also I felt like everyone was just super sick of
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  Koreans and it I expected it to be way worse.
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  But no, people are playing still mirrors of but of other sieves
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  in the last two days. At least that's what I got to
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  guess. Maybe maybe I don't realize and
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  I was kind of trying to avoid them.
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  Korean mirrors is over to cast more of those games.
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  But yeah. I think that might be it because
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  I was also watching T-90 and he also was pretty much exhausted
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  by Korean mirrors. And often at some point, he just
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  often picked the other match. And when he saw that it was a
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  Korean mirror, he would actually choose a different match just
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  just to not have another Korean mirror.
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  And it's all. It's totally understandable for
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  sure. OK, Top 3 Leary, also not really
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  surprising, but in some way I felt that pretty much anyone
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  expected Leary to be among the top four.
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  And there was no drama, no discussion, nothing whatsoever
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  about Leary. He just sort of secretly slowly
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  climbed up the ladder very steadily.
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  And once he was up there, he just did a couple of games and
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  he kept his win streak most of the time.
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  That was just so methodical and surgical, what he did on the
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  ladder. That was also very impressing to
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  me. I'll argue with you here because
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  it started to cast in the first week.
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  Leary climbed relatively fast in top four, and then he stopped
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  playing, and then he was suddenly top seven, top 8.
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  At some point he was playing some games, 1-2 games per day,
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  super relaxed, losing them. It seemed like he doesn't care
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  too much about it and honestly I didn't think he's going to make
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  the top 4. Really.
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  Yeah, because I was like, OK, Larry, Larry's heart is not in
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  this. And then guess what?
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  In the last couple, Well, not in the last couple of days, in the
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  last week, climb back on top four and never dropped from
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  there. So I was like, huh, Yeah, he
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  fooled me once again. He always does this.
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  That was 100% what I expected. I never expected him to do.
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  I didn't because there were there were people that were so
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  hungry for that competition there they were just cut
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  throating and there were a lot of people from the top that
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  dropped a lot. Leary fell from the top, a Viper
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  fell from the top, Doubt fell from the top.
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  Tattoo everyone. They were nowhere to be seen.
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  What were what was in the top 8 Louis Barles other players NBL
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  were was NBL was just playing games nonstop.
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  You know there there were other people that just seemed hungry
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  for it like I I I want to be there.
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  I could see that. I think that in my opinion
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  didn't reflect in the other ones, but I I keep you know, I
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  keep getting fooled every single time by by Larry's performance.
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  Larry yeah, Leary knows what he's capable of and he, he kept
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  all of that until the last week. And then he climbed to the top
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  in a couple of days, in two days, I think came back with his
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  Max after Max after Max. I was just kicking out players
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  from their spot and took his cozy spot in the top 4.
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  Well, that's what I mean by methodical.
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  He played when he had to play and then he felt fresh and he
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  felt focused. And when he didn't need to play,
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  he took his time to regenerate, to do other things.
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  And I am also of the opinion that playing lots of games isn't
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  necessarily what's good and also not necessarily a sign of
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  hunger. That's to me that's more a sign
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  of impatience or not knowing what your priorities should.
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  I agree with you on that. I, I didn't mean hunger in the
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  sense that, OK, I, I gave MBL there as an example because he,
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  he really did seem, you know, eager to get a spot, But he fell
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  into the other category for me where it was I was feeling like
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  he, he was just spamming too many games and not very
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  important. Also, like not a lot of games
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  that he can, you know, use as a learning experience or like you
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  just seem to be to me, like as an, you know, auto machine,
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  finish a game, queue up immediately for the next one.
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  There were a lot of people in the first couple of days that
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  played hundreds of games in only the first three days, which was
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  wild. When I was saying hunger, I was
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  mostly talking about Lewis. Lewis overall doesn't have that
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  many games and he was constantly in top 10.
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  Well, he's got over 300 games, so that's that's more than most
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  of. Them because in the I think most
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  of them were in the last three days.
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  In the last three days people started to climb and he was
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  losing his position. But overall, I don't feel like
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  he had that many games until maybe the last couple of days
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  when he had to. He had he was playing until the
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  the the last second to try to secure top top 8.
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  Yeah, I still don't know what to make of this guy.
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  To me, it still feels like he needs a couple of years of
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  experience just to be on top. But to me, being in the top 12
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  is a huge success because I did not expect him to be there.
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  I know that he was eager to place even higher, but And that
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  would have been even even greater success, of course.
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  But this is already a surprise to me.
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  And this is a clear sign that he is ready to play with the big
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  boys. Yeah, Like he, he, he's becoming
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  one of the greats. In the first week, I had Lewis
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  qualifying the top four. What instead of Leary?
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  Why? Because of that hunger?
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  Because of the games that I was spectating.
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  When they fooled you hard. You look at his win rates, look
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  at his win rates compared to other players.
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  Viper is at 60% in the first week.
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  In the first week I compare them and out of 10 games, nine were
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  won by Lewis versus Viper versus number.
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  That may be. True, but those were games that
• 24:59
  didn't matter. Didn't matter.
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  You know, no, they didn't. I don't think so.
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  I think most of what was happening in the first week was
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  probably only relevant to the top four players, especially
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  Hera, who tried to get ahead of everyone else.
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  But other than that, you were basically just trading ELO back
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  and forth. And lots of players like the
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  Viper, like Jordan, they, I think they spent the first half
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  of the whole ladder playing random civilizations and not
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  picking sieves and these kind of things.
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  Also not prioritizing any maps. We're trying to get to know the
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  maps, so to me it's really no surprise at all that the that
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  Viper is higher up than than Lewis's, despite Lewis having a
• 25:47
  certain win rate against the Viper.
• 25:50
  Well, I mean, of course, in the last couple of days he Viper
• 25:55
  started to to play more and to start force picking since there
• 26:00
  were a couple of really good days for him, but there were a
• 26:03
  couple of very good ones for for Lewis as well.
• 26:09
  And then when everyone kind of started to put their big boy
• 26:14
  bands on in the last couple of a couple of days and started to
• 26:18
  force big sieves and take it super serious, I think Lewis
• 26:23
  still managing to stay in top ten.
• 26:26
  It's really impressive for someone that never qualified
• 26:29
  before to A to an Asteria tournament.
• 26:33
  So that that was the the type of hunger I was aware at any point
• 26:38
  that there are players from behind it are not going to stay
• 26:41
  there at the bottom. But there's also a certain
• 26:46
  tiredness. There's two weeks of this
• 26:48
  non-stop. Doubt gave up.
• 26:52
  It was like, you know what this is?
• 26:54
  This is just like Hunger Games. I'm not playing.
• 26:56
  Or after he lost 200 ELO in a day, after everyone was rooting
• 27:00
  for Doubt because again, he was at the bottom and he came back
• 27:03
  on top. He, he, he was having a blast
• 27:08
  win after win, position after position.
• 27:11
  And then it was one day one, he just had a bad day, but then he
• 27:15
  dropped 200 ELO. I was like, there's no energy
• 27:17
  for me to climb back up. You know what it is, what it is
• 27:21
  and you can argue that doubt it has more experience, is a better
• 27:25
  player than Lewis. Well, I'm not sure.
• 27:30
  I think I don't think so. Experience is important, but
• 27:35
  it's not winning you games. It's it's basically a
• 27:39
  prerequisition for the other things to be notable.
• 27:43
  In that case, Dowd just really messed up.
• 27:46
  He I, I mean, it was clear and also other pros were saying that
• 27:50
  to him in the chat while he was streaming that he should stop
• 27:54
  playing, but he kept on playing. He was just sucked into that
• 27:58
  hole and never came out of it. And it was very reasonable of
• 28:01
  him to not pursue it any further because that was three days
• 28:05
  before the deadline. So he dropped down from 1750 to
• 28:09
  1590, and it may have been recoverable, but it would have
• 28:14
  taken all of those three days for him and it would have
• 28:18
  probably been very unhealthy. So it's fine I think.
• 28:23
  So yeah, this is this is interesting.
• 28:25
  The players I, I opened Lewis's card and his winning percentage
• 28:30
  and the only players he has a bad win rate.
• 28:36
  Bad meaning under 50% are heart. It's still at 40%.
• 28:43
  Hera is 44%. If you look at any other players
• 28:51
  or like how many players can say I have a 44% win rate against
• 28:54
  Hera, I, I still think it's. I think but there's but there's
• 28:59
  more to it, you know, it's more to may have.
• 29:03
  Again, we're not comparing, you know, I don't know someone that
• 29:08
  people are saying that he's not top five, but he's up there in
• 29:12
  the top ten usually like I don't know Sito or MBL or or Heart or
• 29:19
  Vinge or we're not. We're talking about someone that
• 29:23
  a year ago was 1800 and trashing on Hideout.
• 29:30
  Was he? Exactly.
• 29:31
  Was he really trashing on on hideout?
• 29:34
  Yeah, that's how that's how Lewis maybe not one year ago,
• 29:37
  maybe I'm exaggerating, but in in less than two years ago that
• 29:41
  this is how Lewis is starting to climb the ladder.
• 29:45
  I didn't know. He was.
• 29:47
  He was the most disgusting trasher on hideout with two 10s
• 29:51
  every single game. Oh my God, he was.
• 29:54
  Just pure, pure No. I can't even talk about it, No.
• 30:02
  Yeah, I'm not denying it's impressive.
• 30:03
  I'm just saying that in this latter qualifier, it's not so
• 30:07
  much about your personal win rates against certain players,
• 30:10
  and it's also not so much about how many games you've played.
• 30:13
  It's about strategically picking your time and your enemy against
• 30:19
  whom you're playing, when you're playing.
• 30:20
  I think that's the most important thing.
• 30:23
  And then once you made that decision, you need to perform.
• 30:27
  And that is what ACCM did amazingly.
• 30:30
  That's what most of the players did well.
• 30:33
  And that's also something that Viper did at the end.
• 30:37
  Once he stopped streaming, once he started to sift pick or
• 30:41
  mirror or whatever he did, once he focused down, he did very
• 30:46
  well. And when he started to have like
• 30:48
  two or three losses in a row, he just stopped and he reset
• 30:51
  mentally. So I think that is and and I was
• 30:55
  always expecting this from the wiper and that is why I always
• 30:59
  thought that he would be amongst the top eight.
• 31:02
  I would have thought he would be top four, to be honest.
• 31:04
  And I think this is even somewhat of a weaker performance
• 31:09
  than than expected from him because he placed #8 at the end
• 31:13
  because he just had a very bad finishing in this tournament.
• 31:17
  And once he realized that, he also stopped playing like
• 31:20
  doubted. But this is I I think Louis is
• 31:24
  something similar. I'm not again, like I, I don't
• 31:28
  when I'm saying that I thought Louis is going to be top four.
• 31:32
  That was also more of a meme to my community.
• 31:34
  I wasn't actually convinced that he's going to make top 4 deep
• 31:38
  deep because he. Made it sound like that.
• 31:40
  Down and was kind of rooting for him too.
• 31:42
  I knew the chances are probably extremely small.
• 31:45
  I still think Louis has a chance to qualify in the last and and
• 31:50
  next weekend I I still think so He he.
• 31:53
  So do I. But in terms of strategy, I
• 31:58
  really didn't feel like Lewis was spamming games until the
• 32:03
  last two or three days when he had to because he was being
• 32:09
  caught up with like to to me, the fact that Lewis is above on
• 32:14
  the ladder, then I'm looking now at at at the names Sito Andy
• 32:19
  Seba immediately following him to meet.
• 32:23
  This is still like, OK, I I wasn't legit crazy when I was
• 32:29
  thinking he's going. To.
• 32:31
  He he's going to be up there with the other ones like to, to
• 32:35
  me, Lewis's performance on this ladder, it is super surprising.
• 32:40
  And in the same time, I don't know, I felt like he he deserved
• 32:46
  his his position there. And I also felt like he he was
• 32:51
  playing strategically in the beginning, like he was taking
• 32:53
  his wins and then he would stop playing.
• 32:56
  He was casting a lot as well. He was streaming a lot.
• 32:59
  But then in the last couple of days, he not everyone, you know,
• 33:03
  can afford to adopt Hera's position to just chill.
• 33:06
  I'm comfy here at the top and I'll just cast now.
• 33:09
  He he had to actually take a break from from streaming and go
• 33:13
  full into into grind off stream mode because, well, simply the
• 33:19
  way it had to be. Yeah, I think we're in agreement
• 33:23
  that Lewis performed much better than probably most people
• 33:27
  expected. He certainly did better than I
• 33:29
  expected him to do. He's not exactly top 4 as used
• 33:35
  predicted, but he's still much higher than probably most people
• 33:38
  would have expected. So yeah, All in all, great
• 33:41
  performance. Yes, I think it's time we talk
• 33:45
  about the number 4 and 5 S Vinchester and Hart.
• 33:48
  And the reason why we are talking about these players at
• 33:53
  the same time is because there is no certain 4th place.
• 33:56
  Now. This has been the most dramatic
• 33:59
  finishing and probably all of Empire's two history
• 34:03
  tournaments. Even better than last time when
• 34:07
  NBL was in a nail biting final. This time we've got a tie
• 34:13
  between 4th and 5th place and once again in the 4th place goes
• 34:17
  directly to London where is the 5th place just gets a major
• 34:20
  advantage in the last chance qualifier.
• 34:23
  But they are tied in their highest ranking which is 1941
• 34:28
  and this is also their current rating so they need to do a best
• 34:34
  of three. It is, I believe.
• 34:36
  I'm. Was it the best of five it?
• 34:38
  Wasn't announced anywhere. OK, so it's not.
• 34:41
  Certain yet? So but they will play a best of
• 34:45
  something to decide who gets the 4th place.
• 34:50
  Now, do you want to kind of retell the story of the dramatic
• 34:56
  last minutes and maybe the last hour of this this drama?
• 35:01
  Yeah, I'll, I'll try to be as precise as I can.
• 35:05
  Basically this tournament had and you know, specific date and
• 35:14
  time and time tied to the last second when the line would be
• 35:20
  drawn and people would just be OK, that that's it.
• 35:26
  If you're in a game already at that time, that game doesn't
• 35:29
  count. If you're not in a game at that
• 35:33
  time, whatever, that's that's perfectly fine.
• 35:36
  But even if you are in a game at that time, your rating before
• 35:41
  you had started the game accounts basically.
• 35:47
  Yeah, this was something that was not very clear from my
• 35:52
  understanding because people kind of started to ask questions
• 35:55
  in the last day of streaming like, yo, what happens at, you
• 35:58
  know, when at 17 UTC? And we were like, well, we're
• 36:03
  we're not sure yet. And there was an announcement or
• 36:07
  like the admin responded to that a couple of hours before.
• 36:13
  They don't. You get, well, if you're in a
• 36:14
  game, that game won't count. And it was kind of making people
• 36:18
  sweat because, wait a second, unless you're counted anyway,
• 36:21
  people were kind of started fuzzing around about it.
• 36:24
  So what happened? It was at Venge was in the top 4
• 36:32
  yesterday, yesterday morning, Sunday morning, basically.
• 36:36
  Then that was basically around 6:00 AM for Heart.
• 36:40
  He woke up, he was on position #5 and he was like, OK, I'm
• 36:45
  going to try to get back into the top four.
• 36:49
  And he won three games in a row or in two, high E, low,
• 36:53
  whatever. And he overpassed both ACC, both
• 37:01
  Leary an accm. And I think at some point he was
• 37:05
  even at position #2. Either two or three, I'm not
• 37:08
  100% sure. I can't recall properly.
• 37:11
  But anyway, Long story short, he got back from the position #5
• 37:15
  into position number two or three.
• 37:18
  He got it top 4 ACCM. Seeing that, of course, he's
• 37:22
  out. He started to play again and he
• 37:27
  played until he got on position #2 kicking out Vinch, which I
• 37:36
  think afterwards he started to play, but Vinch didn't start
• 37:39
  winning immediately. Vinch lost a couple of games.
• 37:42
  Vinch Vinch had lost the night prior to that to Hera as well.
• 37:47
  They they were kind of like going one win to one win.
• 37:50
  Anyway, Long story short, one hour before the finish line we
• 37:56
  had Hera, ACCM, Leery and Heart. Heart with a highest E low of
• 38:05
  1941 and Avenge. Avenge was on position number 5.
• 38:14
  Was 1941 his highest E low as well or?
• 38:18
  At the end, yes. No, no, no, not at that point
• 38:21
  with a lower highest E low and a way lower current E low.
• 38:27
  And when I'm saying way lower, I'm saying about at least three
• 38:32
  games needed to get too hard. I mean, of course, those three
• 38:38
  games, when I'm saying three games, it, it kind of depends on
• 38:41
  who you're facing to get the points.
• 38:44
  But we're looking at people from the sixth position on because
• 38:51
  the top three were not playing like, why would you play the top
• 38:54
  four? Sorry, why would you play like
• 38:57
  you're in your position? Why would you even play that?
• 39:01
  And you know this later on became a bit of a controversy
• 39:04
  because people are saying like how hard should have queued up
• 39:07
  to win more, but it there was no reason at that time for hard to
• 39:12
  play. Basically why why play and risk
• 39:15
  losing your current rating? Yes your highest rating will
• 39:21
  stay the same, but if someone is endangering you, is getting
• 39:25
  close to your highest rating, then you will have to play even
• 39:28
  more to win even more games and who knows if you're going to
• 39:32
  have time or not. So hard was just waiting
• 39:34
  patiently and then Vinge. Vinge is like, OK, I have three
• 39:37
  games to win, I have to start queuing and Vinge had just won a
• 39:44
  game and it was like OK, queue next and no one else was
• 39:48
  queuing. Venge was in a longer queue,
• 39:50
  longer queue, longer queue. And who does he get?
• 39:52
  He gets Nacho. Nacho, the Spanish streamer.
• 39:57
  He's around 2K32K, four I think on the random ladder.
• 40:01
  On Empire Wars ladder he was 1300 ELO when Venge was
• 40:06
  somewhere around 1800 and something.
• 40:10
  No, it must have been 1900 already.
• 40:13
  Yeah, you're right, You're right. 19119 hundred 1900 versus
• 40:16
  three 1300. So a possible win would give him
• 40:23
  one single point. Now people at that time were
• 40:28
  just losing their minds like Oh my God, especially vintage's
• 40:32
  fan. Of course, Oh my God, Vintage's
• 40:34
  going to have to waste his time with this.
• 40:39
  And you know, he needs he needs time for winning three games.
• 40:42
  He's just wasting his time to win one point.
• 40:47
  Whatever. Now later on there's going to be
• 40:50
  a discussion about natural queuing.
• 40:55
  Why are you a caster and you're queuing?
• 40:58
  When is the last hour of this? Like I think he even joked that
• 41:03
  Oh no one is queuing. Like I should queue and donate
• 41:07
  some points to binge or something like that.
• 41:11
  I'm absolutely certain that he didn't mean to actually queue
• 41:15
  into a pro player and, you know, help them even with a point or
• 41:19
  two get a better position. I'm certain he his intention
• 41:24
  wasn't there. But you know, like later on, I
• 41:31
  feel like that that statement came, I came to bite his ass
• 41:36
  anyway. Just to just to close that
• 41:40
  subject, he wasn't a call with Hera after the medal qualifier.
• 41:44
  Did you hear that? Yeah, so he, he basically said
• 41:48
  that he intentionally tried to queue into Winchester, assuming
• 41:52
  that he wouldn't queue into him. When he queued into him, he was
• 41:57
  debating with himself whether he should make it a short game so
• 42:01
  he wouldn't waste Winter's time. But then again he felt bad about
• 42:04
  it and then decided to give it a go.
• 42:06
  And once you realise that he would die, he would rather early
• 42:10
  try to resign. So he could have played on, but
• 42:12
  he was going to die so he decided to resign.
• 42:16
  We're going to have another statement from another player
• 42:20
  that's again something like this.
• 42:22
  But I, I, from my perspective, hearing all this absolute
• 42:26
  cinema, I'm like, OK, you want to snipe Manchester, but you
• 42:30
  don't expect to snipe him, but you want to.
• 42:34
  So then it actually happens. You snipe him, but then you feel
• 42:37
  bad and the weird place like, oh, do I?
• 42:40
  Do I try? Do I not try?
• 42:41
  Do I, am I wasting this guy's time?
• 42:43
  Like are these questions that you're putting them before
• 42:47
  queuing into him? So all of this was happening
• 42:50
  while not streaming with a delay.
• 42:53
  Homie didn't have a delay put on his stream since he was casting.
• 42:58
  The second you queue, that's already a game.
• 43:03
  You're a player streaming your game to the viewers without a
• 43:08
  delay. That's strictly breaking the
• 43:11
  rules of the tournament. OK.
• 43:14
  Anyway, the match goes to couple of minutes, gets to castle age
• 43:19
  wasted, wastes a bit of Winchester's time.
• 43:23
  Winchester wins, obviously. Winchester wins one point.
• 43:31
  Turns out to be important. Turns out to be important.
• 43:34
  Not so important for now. Vinge is still almost three
• 43:37
  games away. It all depends.
• 43:40
  Wasted some time, there's not too much time left.
• 43:43
  Queues immediately. Who?
• 43:45
  Who was queuing in the same time?
• 43:47
  Louis. And at the same time Heart.
• 43:49
  Heart was sweating like why is Louis queuing?
• 43:52
  Well, Louis was queuing because if Louis would have won that
• 43:56
  game, that would have put him straight in position #820 points
• 44:04
  for Lewis, he was at his Max 20 point for Lewis would have put
• 44:08
  him two positions above. So Lewis actually had a, you
• 44:14
  know, incentive queuing up then. Doesn't matter.
• 44:20
  Lewis tries his best, game goes on for a while, Winchester wins
• 44:26
  the game, and at this point Vintage's term is 10 Hilo.
• 44:34
  Oh wait, no, a couple less than his Max.
• 44:39
  Like to reach his Max. And then on top of those couple
• 44:43
  of Hilo points, he needed a couple more.
• 44:46
  So all of that would add up to 10 Hilo points to reach where
• 44:51
  Hart is. So Vintage would have needed at
• 44:54
  least 11 points from the game after the one that just finished
• 45:00
  with Lewis to get to position #4 and kick Hart out.
• 45:07
  If you would have gotten only 10.
• 45:08
  They are tied up for position #4 at this point.
• 45:16
  At this point, Hart is starting to sweat, so we're going to come
• 45:21
  back to this point. That's crucial because I think
• 45:25
  there's a lot of people with a lot of different opinions and I
• 45:30
  feel like you kind of have to take every factor into account.
• 45:34
  So there's like 20 minutes left for the ladder, something like
• 45:39
  that. Vince is 1 game, one win away.
• 45:46
  He needs 11 points and more or less.
• 45:51
  A lot of people have been playing the entire day.
• 45:53
  A lot of them lost a lot of games.
• 45:55
  They're away from their peak barrels Was was somewhere at the
• 46:01
  bottom at his Max. Still queuing up but not too
• 46:06
  many other people. Someone was saying that Sito was
• 46:10
  queuing. That was MBL who said that.
• 46:13
  Yeah, it was. He knew that Sito was queuing.
• 46:15
  That he knew Sito was queuing as well.
• 46:17
  How was MBL knowing that Sito was queuing?
• 46:20
  Because dashboard doesn't show up anymore that you're queuing?
• 46:25
  I don't know. That's another question.
• 46:26
  Well no. He knew that Sito was just out
• 46:29
  of a game and that Sito had incentive to play on because he
• 46:33
  was on his ELO high, so he was assuming that Sito would also
• 46:37
  immediately queue. OK so he was assuming that Sito
• 46:41
  would immediately queue Sito being higher E loaded MBL.
• 46:46
  Sito would have given a venge more points that MBL could have
• 46:54
  given venge if Venge would have won the game.
• 46:58
  So what MBL in the split second does is queuing to snipe Venge
• 47:06
  so that way even if Vince wins the game he helps heart
• 47:13
  basically. Because he gets less points from
• 47:16
  MBL than from SETO. Correct.
• 47:19
  MBL queues up well. MBL at this point has for for
• 47:24
  himself no reason to be on the ladder anymore.
• 47:27
  The the outcome of this game of another game, a win or of a loss
• 47:32
  would not matter at all. Well now I just thought about
• 47:40
  something else. OK, So what happened is
• 47:43
  basically Long story short, sorry I I already made this way
• 47:47
  longer than I wanted to. Basically what happens is that
• 47:51
  NBL was in a losing position, there's a countdown happening
• 47:56
  and there's like 10 seconds left and NBL calls the GG fairly in
• 48:04
  my opinion, 'cause that game was absolutely already being
• 48:09
  dominated by by Avenge. Now some people could say that
• 48:16
  oh, he just call, he could have dragged the game for 10 more
• 48:20
  seconds if he would have really wanted to help hard because if
• 48:23
  he would have dragged the game 10 more seconds.
• 48:27
  Basically that game doesn't count because it's over the time
• 48:31
  limit and that game doesn't count for Avenge.
• 48:34
  But in the heat of the moment he he was absolutely taking the the
• 48:41
  fair play decision and he did call the GG gave Vince the win.
• 48:47
  Vince gain exactly the exactly 10 points, not the 11 needed for
• 48:52
  him to directly qualify, but he got to the same highest ELO as
• 48:58
  hard and they went to a tie. They had the same current ELO as
• 49:04
  well. They were both at at their Max.
• 49:06
  So now they're they will have to organize a match already between
• 49:11
  them to to see who goes straight into the main event.
• 49:16
  So there's a couple of of things here.
• 49:18
  You know I don't know you take over.
• 49:23
  I don't know where to start because this is killing me
• 49:26
  again. Can you just add one more thing
• 49:28
  to it? MB LS perspective on this
• 49:30
  Because he was also in a call with Hera after everything took
• 49:35
  place and MBL said that basically what you said, he
• 49:39
  tried to take or give or play against Winchester in the hopes
• 49:46
  that he would get less points than against Seto.
• 49:49
  Now he also said that after a while he realized that he was
• 49:55
  far behind and he said that he would try to go into the
• 50:01
  imperial age and if Winchester would reach the imperial age
• 50:04
  before him, he would instantly resign.
• 50:06
  And this is what happened. And he instantly resigned after
• 50:09
  he saw the imperial age from Winchester.
• 50:12
  I don't think, I don't believe that MBL was counting seconds.
• 50:18
  How much was left? And it came right after the
• 50:22
  imperial age of Winchester. So this might just be a
• 50:24
  coincidence, but it made sense for him to resign in that
• 50:28
  moment. All the rest that you said is
• 50:31
  definitely exactly like you described it.
• 50:34
  So you, you gave a perfect timeline of everything.
• 50:38
  Now there's a couple things to discuss.
• 50:41
  I think we should. If we do it from a chronological
• 50:44
  point of view, then it's probably the whole Nacho drama
• 50:47
  thing. Should Nacho Q intervenchester
• 50:50
  or not? No, what are you doing trying to
• 50:55
  influence? Oh, I'm not even trying.
• 50:57
  Like I don't, I don't legit think that he was trying to
• 51:02
  influence the outcome. And for sure, no one thought at
• 51:05
  that exact moment, at one point will matter this much.
• 51:09
  Yeah, actually, I think most people were thinking that it
• 51:13
  would hurt Vinchester. Yeah exactly, just wasting his
• 51:16
  time for one point Like no matter what I I don't think you
• 51:22
  should you have no business. You have enough content like
• 51:25
  that. Everything was so hype.
• 51:27
  You have enough content to to farm on what?
• 51:31
  If anything, this all brought Nacho way more hate because
• 51:34
  like, and again, I I don't agree with this.
• 51:37
  I I heavily disagree all the with all the viewers that did
• 51:42
  this. But someone in my chat said that
• 51:44
  oh, I just opened Nacho stream and all of Vinchester's fans are
• 51:48
  just saying one O 5 resign, loser, other name calling and
• 51:53
  and so on. So I really don't understand
• 52:00
  that like, oh, let me just try to snap a pro player type of
• 52:03
  scenario with one hour before the finish line when everyone
• 52:07
  was was sweating. And you know, they, they all all
• 52:11
  the pro players have this leather terrorist type of joke
• 52:16
  when someone basically that's way lower ELO.
• 52:19
  Like they were calling Huang a leather terrorist because Tatoo
• 52:23
  lost the game to Huang. Huang has no real chance of
• 52:26
  qualifying or being in a top 25, but he just cost a player that's
• 52:32
  in top 1020 something points 29 points or something like this I
• 52:38
  think. OK, I am somewhat of a different
• 52:41
  opinion so this is going to be interesting.
• 52:43
  OK, I Well for starters, when all of this was happening, like
• 52:49
  the I was actually playing World of Warcraft and had had the
• 52:53
  streams on the second monitor. And once I realized what was
• 52:56
  going on because I thought the last hour was probably going to
• 52:59
  be pretty much dead because everybody had their position and
• 53:02
  all this whole drama with Vincent's heart was not so much
• 53:05
  foreseeable in my opinion. And once it happened, I turned
• 53:09
  my attention to it and I was debating whether I should get a
• 53:12
  bag of popcorn or something because I knew this one is going
• 53:15
  to be juicy. So I was very much enjoying
• 53:18
  everything about this. When Winchester played against
• 53:24
  Nacho, all I thought was ah man, that's too bad for Winchester.
• 53:29
  But I did not think that Nacho was doing something bad.
• 53:33
  Now, at that time I didn't know he was intentionally queuing
• 53:36
  into him. I thought that just meant that
• 53:38
  the letter was as dead as I thought it would be and he got
• 53:41
  unlucky. When I found out that Nacho was
• 53:44
  doing it, I was wondering what I think about it and I honestly
• 53:47
  think it was OK. I mean, he should have put the
• 53:53
  streamer delay on, that's true, but other than that, everybody
• 53:57
  was sniping each other anyway, and sniping is part of the
• 54:02
  ladder. And just because he's not
• 54:04
  competing for a top 12 position doesn't disqualify him from
• 54:09
  being on the ladder. And the whole point of the
• 54:12
  ladder qualifier is the unpredictability and the ability
• 54:16
  for players to snipe each other. Which by the way, is something
• 54:20
  that is also happening in other E sports that have leather
• 54:25
  seasons. It's not the same as here.
• 54:28
  They are they they use that as qualifiers for bigger qualifiers
• 54:33
  for major tournaments. But I do know this from other E
• 54:38
  sports and it is a common thing to do.
• 54:41
  And there it is, part of the suspense how people managed to
• 54:47
  snipe each other and try to get into games with each other and
• 54:51
  you know, without being actually able to to do the matchmaking.
• 54:56
  Now granted those are much bigger letters with with
• 55:00
  millions of players and not as few as here, but I don't think
• 55:06
  Nacho has done anything wrong. He was a player playing a letter
• 55:10
  match on a on the reputable letter.
• 55:14
  That's fine, I guess. OK, I OK, I'll refer strict to
• 55:21
  this situation that you describe when you know, low, way lower
• 55:26
  ELO player sneaks into the top matches situation.
• 55:31
  And I'll begin by saying under no means by any means.
• 55:37
  I, I, I, I'm saying with this that Vince doesn't deserve his
• 55:43
  place in the top 4/5 right now. Vince in my opinion is one of
• 55:47
  the players that played the best and Vince definitely deserves a
• 55:50
  spot into Red Bull main event period.
• 55:54
  Now with this, I will continue saying that by that, by that
• 56:00
  logic, I don't think that you can get an accurate description
• 56:10
  of the players skill set. Yeah, maybe some people, maybe
• 56:16
  some games cancel each other, you know, But if you're not just
• 56:20
  playing, you know the best, if you're getting some points from
• 56:26
  the matches that you're playing from just someone randomly
• 56:29
  queuing up on ladder, I don't think those matches should count
• 56:32
  because, OK, this is just this match making that we have in the
• 56:36
  game. But if this would be just leave
• 56:40
  aside the the ladder aspect that everyone can cue into anyone.
• 56:45
  Take a normal qualifier for instance, a player that's 2K2
• 56:50
  like Nacho would be kicked out in round of 128 or round 64.
• 56:58
  So that's where he will basically stop.
• 57:02
  Just like when the ladder was open, everyone was playing
• 57:06
  against everyone. Players that were 1000 ELO had
• 57:09
  the same ELO as the pro players and they would queue into each
• 57:12
  other. And yeah, first couple of days
• 57:15
  there were like basically the easier rounds for the pro
• 57:19
  players just like in any other qualifier.
• 57:22
  And then based on their ELO, they would kind of start
• 57:24
  basically just matching with each other later on, where
• 57:29
  players like, you know, natural or the the the lower E low than
• 57:33
  the pros would not influence the pros current rating or highest
• 57:40
  rating or their their position in the qualifier.
• 57:44
  So later on in the last day, their position on the ladder, in
• 57:48
  my opinion, should be determined by matches against each other
• 57:52
  because you're fighting with the best.
• 57:54
  It's like it's like in the semi finals of a qualifier you're
• 57:58
  fighting Vinch and Tattoo. Vinch is not facing Nacho.
• 58:04
  Yeah, you're totally right about that.
• 58:06
  But isn't the whole point of this that it is not perfectly
• 58:11
  fair? That is that it is chaotic and
• 58:14
  full of suspense. Because the format because.
• 58:16
  If you wanted a fair qualifier, you can't do a letter qualifier.
• 58:19
  That's just out of the question. You can you can, but they have
• 58:23
  they there need to be rules that stop them from camping as well.
• 58:27
  Like OK, I understand camping and these are strategies I not
• 58:32
  against them. If you are Hera ACCM in the last
• 58:37
  hour, you have 0 reasons to play.
• 58:40
  So then if you have 0 reasons to play, maybe other people have 0
• 58:44
  reasons to play to not lose top 8 or it depends what their goals
• 58:47
  were and depends on what other people's strategies were were
• 58:51
  formed, you know? So then in that situation, Vinch
• 58:55
  cues into no one because the only people that there were like
• 58:59
  4 people that had to play and they got four other people and
• 59:03
  they got matches against each other and then Vince was left
• 59:06
  alone. Yeah, but that would be fine.
• 59:09
  It's a ladder qualifier. It's a ladder qualifier, but I
• 59:11
  don't think he's he. The the issue with this, I feel
• 59:17
  like is that it's Vince because right now I want to say that his
• 59:21
  match against Nacho should not count from a from a skill point
• 59:26
  of view because that doesn't mean anything.
• 59:30
  I know what you're saying. It's it's basically the result
• 59:34
  of all of this is not so much based on skill, but rather on
• 59:40
  who you're lucky enough to face into at what point in time.
• 59:43
  But again, that's the whole point of the latter.
• 59:46
  It's not supposed to showcase the exact order of the skill
• 59:52
  levels, but rather other part parts of the game that are not
• 59:57
  entirely rational or strategical, but also just dumb
• 1:00:02
  luck. In that case, I'm extremely
• 1:00:05
  sorry that when I saw that immediately, I didn't message
• 1:00:08
  hard. You'll queue up on the ladder.
• 1:00:10
  I'll queue up to give you one point.
• 1:00:12
  That's why I don't think I should have given him one point.
• 1:00:15
  I I I played two empire war games I think he would have
• 1:00:21
  gotten 0 anyway. But you know other caster T-90.
• 1:00:25
  What in T90T90 is higher ELO? He T-90 was actually top 80.
• 1:00:30
  He was debating to do that. He was debating whether he
• 1:00:33
  should queue if Winch didn't find anyone else, but then in
• 1:00:36
  the end decided against it. Well, he should.
• 1:00:39
  Have once he saw that. Hey, I'm available to give you 3
• 1:00:43
  points. Now, but you're you're
• 1:00:47
  mentioning something that is very important, I believe, and
• 1:00:50
  this is something that is not talked about during this whole
• 1:00:54
  drama. But I would say that what MBL
• 1:00:58
  did was the real offence and not what Nacho was we're.
• 1:01:02
  We're getting, we're getting there.
• 1:01:03
  But you took them chronological. You're right, I'm.
• 1:01:07
  Sorry, we're getting there. But maybe this is the time to
• 1:01:11
  get there. Yeah, OK.
• 1:01:13
  There is no way to, in whatever shape or form regiment how
• 1:01:20
  players who are friends with each other or teammates with
• 1:01:24
  with each other actually help each other gain ELO points or
• 1:01:30
  intentionally queue into their rivals to get points away from
• 1:01:33
  them and these kind of things. Basically what MBL admitted to
• 1:01:38
  and that I find very very difficult and concerning when it
• 1:01:43
  comes to this ladder format. I under any logic any any any
• 1:01:53
  logic, I can't understand what MBO was doing in the queue
• 1:01:59
  because based on his explanation, if it's just I
• 1:02:03
  finished a game IQ into another thing that he did the entire
• 1:02:06
  ladder qualifier, I would understand.
• 1:02:08
  You have no reason to play. You keep playing because you're
• 1:02:10
  addicted to to this game. Sure, OK.
• 1:02:13
  But no, he said he intentionally queued up to save heart period.
• 1:02:21
  Save him how? OK that you are lower than Sito
• 1:02:26
  and Sito was queuing because he had Y2Q.
• 1:02:30
  First of all, isn't Sito your teammate and tag if he has a
• 1:02:37
  reason? To not his friend.
• 1:02:38
  I don't know. If he has a reason to queue up,
• 1:02:42
  and Venge has a reason to queue up, and you have no reason to
• 1:02:45
  queue up, what are you doing? The letter Second, save him.
• 1:02:51
  How? Save him sending him to the
• 1:02:52
  tiebreaker. If Venge would have queued up
• 1:02:54
  into Cito, I think that could have saved heart.
• 1:02:58
  Maybe not 100%. I think that would have saved
• 1:03:02
  heart more than it quotation marks saved him.
• 1:03:05
  Now because Sito has a 29% win rate against Vinch, that means
• 1:03:13
  it's not 0 which NBLS was. Maybe Sito would have survived
• 1:03:20
  more. Maybe Sito wasn't in your we we
• 1:03:23
  will never know. Maybe, maybe Sito would have
• 1:03:25
  lost and maybe Sito would have given him 11 points and Vinch
• 1:03:29
  would be right now in the qualifier and Hart is at least
• 1:03:33
  not stressing about this random match that he has to take
• 1:03:37
  anyway. And maybe he's just prepare.
• 1:03:42
  Maybe he would have just prepared for the last chance
• 1:03:44
  qualifier and who knows, maybe that would have happened.
• 1:03:47
  And then if you're MBL afterwards, you and Hart is your
• 1:03:51
  friend, you can tell him, yo, sorry dude, I was even thinking
• 1:03:55
  of trying to snipe him. But you know, maybe I would have
• 1:03:57
  just given him more points or send it to the to the tiebreaker
• 1:04:02
  or what not. My point being that Sito has a
• 1:04:09
  closer game with bench rather than the other rather than real.
• 1:04:17
  So I think maybe if Sito would have played, maybe Sito would
• 1:04:21
  have had a closer game. Maybe the game would not have
• 1:04:23
  ended at a time limit. Maybe it would not have counted.
• 1:04:27
  Yes, and but we don't have to get so far.
• 1:04:31
  MBL could have just dragged on the game and the game wouldn't
• 1:04:34
  have counted and he didn't. But he could have, yeah.
• 1:04:40
  And there is nothing to prevent him from that.
• 1:04:42
  But why are you putting yourself in that situation?
• 1:04:44
  Why are you saying that you're trying to help?
• 1:04:46
  My friend, I know, I have no idea.
• 1:04:48
  I have no idea why he's doing that.
• 1:04:50
  But it doesn't matter because what I want to know is this is
• 1:04:56
  something that was very prominent because it was the
• 1:04:58
  last seconds of the qualifier. But do we actually know whether
• 1:05:03
  this was maybe this was happening all the time without
• 1:05:07
  us knowing? How do we know whether players
• 1:05:10
  have secretly spoken to each other, queued into each other,
• 1:05:15
  maybe traded points for each other or any of these kind of
• 1:05:19
  things? So we don't.
• 1:05:19
  We just have to trust them. Exactly, exactly we do yes.
• 1:05:26
  And I believe that that is a major problem a problem that is
• 1:05:32
  so major that this ladder qualifier is actually actually
• 1:05:37
  deeply flawed. It's it's just waiting for
• 1:05:43
  somebody spilling the beans that this may have happened.
• 1:05:46
  And we know that these kind of things happen.
• 1:05:49
  Just think of song, song, think of beery where it is basic,
• 1:05:55
  especially beery where it's impossible to prove that as long
• 1:05:59
  as you're 1990 knowing basically the play style of every single
• 1:06:03
  player in the entire universe. Other than that, it's hard to to
• 1:06:08
  to think. And that is something that is
• 1:06:10
  even more detectable than what people, what players are
• 1:06:14
  secretly saying to each other. So I don't know.
• 1:06:18
  I find that I'm not saying it happened, but I'm also saying
• 1:06:22
  it's probably happening because this is a lot of money involved.
• 1:06:24
  And wherever there is money involved, people are finding
• 1:06:27
  ways to be corrupt, you know. Yeah, I don't, I, I, I don't
• 1:06:31
  want to think about it too much because it would be really sad.
• 1:06:35
  I 100% understand your your point.
• 1:06:38
  And yeah, it's. Well, MPL basically did it.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, again. He just did it badly, but he did
• 1:06:49
  it. He didn't really do it in the
• 1:06:56
  end because like he could have, you know, dragged onto the game.
• 1:07:01
  But I agree that he did interfered with, you know, the
• 1:07:06
  natural, the natural course of of the latter.
• 1:07:12
  Because that that that's the thing.
• 1:07:14
  In reality, MBL, SITO and Binge could have queued up in the same
• 1:07:19
  time. MBL and SITO were very close to
• 1:07:21
  each other. Either either one of them could
• 1:07:23
  have gotten Binge and OK, it was MBL that that that got him.
• 1:07:28
  But saying that you actually wanted to queue up to save your
• 1:07:33
  friends when it's even a a dumb idea in the first place?
• 1:07:39
  There's no way of sugar coating. That is corruption, nothing
• 1:07:42
  else. Yeah.
• 1:07:46
  So I don't get why Nachos getting the hate because he was
• 1:07:50
  doing something maybe stupid but it was also kind of irrelevant
• 1:07:54
  as in he was just doing something for himself and that
• 1:07:58
  that just shit happening OK. But I I get it, what if he said
• 1:08:02
  like oh I want to intervention to donate him some points.
• 1:08:07
  That's also corruption. It is.
• 1:08:10
  It is. So like you're saying now, this
• 1:08:13
  is so funny you're saying now I don't know why Nacho's getting
• 1:08:16
  the hate. MBL should be getting the hate.
• 1:08:18
  MBL stands in my chat this morning.
• 1:08:21
  I don't know why MBL is getting the hate.
• 1:08:23
  Nacho should be getting the hate.
• 1:08:25
  Well if that is true, if if Nacho tried to donate points,
• 1:08:30
  which I was not aware of but he was trying, if he was trying to
• 1:08:32
  donate points, then he then he is just as bad as MBL.
• 1:08:37
  There's no difference. I I I didn't actually listen to
• 1:08:41
  the stream so again take this with a grain of salt, but I
• 1:08:46
  friends that I trust told me that they did go back and he
• 1:08:52
  phrased it exactly like that. Maybe I should try to get Venge
• 1:08:56
  to donate him some points. Well, then it is.
• 1:08:59
  Then it is definitely bad. That is unacceptable.
• 1:09:04
  Seriously. Now, what I'm saying is that
• 1:09:07
  this is something that needs to be worked on.
• 1:09:11
  If a qualifier like this, of this magnitude of this
• 1:09:14
  importance to these many players is actually happening again,
• 1:09:19
  because as you said, let's think about Lewis, who put in more
• 1:09:24
  than 300 games, who was hungry, who was on hold, your top 4 even
• 1:09:29
  because he was clearly putting a lot of effort into it.
• 1:09:33
  I work for the Lewis propaganda here.
• 1:09:36
  It's just entirely unfair to players like Lewis who is trying
• 1:09:41
  to play it fair and giving it a real effort if there are other
• 1:09:46
  players who are trying to help each other out and do these kind
• 1:09:50
  of things. And once again, it is actually
• 1:09:55
  common to do this in other kinds of sports.
• 1:09:59
  I'm don't know, I don't know much about cycling, but I
• 1:10:02
  believe that in cycling it is also common that you have a
• 1:10:05
  favorite and the other cyclists in the same team are kind of
• 1:10:08
  there to support that guy and to help him get better times.
• 1:10:11
  Or in Formula One, you have, you know, team mates who are also
• 1:10:14
  rivals, but if one of the drivers is much better than the
• 1:10:18
  other, the other driver would let him pass to get more points
• 1:10:21
  or these kind of things. And there it is.
• 1:10:24
  It is legal to do that. So everybody does that, but here
• 1:10:28
  it is a grey zone. So like I, I'll just say this
• 1:10:32
  for our listeners to, to know straight up where my position is
• 1:10:37
  coming from. My position is coming from
• 1:10:39
  hearts #110 so and all of this, my opinions might be heavily
• 1:10:46
  biased towards hearts, like I'll tell you.
• 1:10:49
  Let's talk about that. I'll tell you guys this straight
• 1:10:52
  up. No, no, this is going to be
• 1:10:55
  important because I'm going to let's move on to to another
• 1:10:58
  thing. Why didn't Hart queue Daniellas?
• 1:11:03
  Shouldn't he have queued when he saw that Vince was in the game
• 1:11:06
  with MBL? Well, maybe, maybe, maybe he
• 1:11:11
  should have. When?
• 1:11:12
  When Vince was in a game with MBL, maybe he should have that,
• 1:11:18
  that that's a point that I I agree with after.
• 1:11:22
  And but then again, if you're like your fate depends on it, I
• 1:11:26
  feel like you're going to play your game stressed as fuck.
• 1:11:28
  And if you're losing the game, if you're losing the that,
• 1:11:31
  that's a a very if you're losing the game, you know for sure.
• 1:11:37
  And if you're losing the game and Vince wins that you know for
• 1:11:41
  sure that he's going to go forward because you don't have
• 1:11:43
  the same highest. But if he wins and if he's tied
• 1:11:47
  with you, you still have a chance to go straight now into
• 1:11:50
  the top 4, which is for me, this tie breaking as as a as a show
• 1:11:56
  match is weird because like they're Oh my God, man, they
• 1:12:01
  they're going to have to play. Imagine that would have been the
• 1:12:05
  case. Imagine heart would have queued
• 1:12:06
  up. He loses the game, Venge wins.
• 1:12:09
  Venge goes straight up because his current ELO is highest is
• 1:12:12
  higher than Hearts. Hart will have to play one
• 1:12:17
  single game because position 5678 go it's straight into the
• 1:12:21
  qualifying match. Hart will have one set to play
• 1:12:29
  to qualify for the main event now in this situation now he has
• 1:12:35
  basically a double chance. If he doesn't win the the game
• 1:12:39
  versus Finch, he has another chance next weekend in the last
• 1:12:45
  chance. Hard.
• 1:12:49
  I don't know man. Because like right now in this
• 1:12:52
  position, four and five are tied up.
• 1:12:54
  If you win, you go straight into the main event and you get 0
• 1:12:58
  money from the ladder. If you lose, you get $1000
• 1:13:04
  because you're on the fifth position and then you can
• 1:13:06
  qualify next weekend. So the loser of this tiebreaker,
• 1:13:11
  if they qualify the in the end, it's better for them.
• 1:13:16
  Well. Because they have more money.
• 1:13:21
  If they qualify. If they don't, then it's not
• 1:13:23
  better. If they don't, yeah, it's all
• 1:13:25
  it's all about the ifs. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  So I I I do agree that hearts, you know, if you want to take
• 1:13:33
  your fate in your hands, you have to play.
• 1:13:38
  I wouldn't want to be ever in his shoes at that point because
• 1:13:44
  you're also glued to the screen to see what the hell is Avenge
• 1:13:47
  going to do? What?
• 1:13:48
  What is MBL going to do? How is this match up finishing?
• 1:13:53
  If you're queuing to play a game that's not you playing at your
• 1:13:58
  best, and then it's actually a very high chance that you're
• 1:14:01
  going to lose that game because your mind, your soul is not
• 1:14:04
  going to be into it. You're just going to wonder.
• 1:14:06
  I wonder what the fuck Avengers and MBL are doing right now.
• 1:14:11
  This is all true, but again, if you want a fair qualifier,
• 1:14:15
  absolutely level playgrounds, this is not the right way to do
• 1:14:20
  it. You would.
• 1:14:21
  He should have queued then. Absolutely.
• 1:14:24
  I agree with you from that perspective.
• 1:14:26
  I don't agree with people that also Also there were people that
• 1:14:29
  were saying oh why didn't heart queue to get Vince to drag the
• 1:14:34
  game over the hour. Dude no seriously he would have
• 1:14:39
  been killed with rocks at the Red Bull.
• 1:14:43
  That would have happened. I don't know, he could have.
• 1:14:46
  I think this is just a personal decision of how the players
• 1:14:51
  wanted to handle it. In my opinion it's also
• 1:14:54
  legitimate to not queue and leave it up to fate or to
• 1:14:58
  vintage the skills. That's also a legitimate thing.
• 1:15:01
  If you, from a psychological standpoint or whatever
• 1:15:04
  standpoint, don't feel like playing and doing it.
• 1:15:08
  It may not be the most rational decision, but it doesn't matter.
• 1:15:11
  It is a decision. Whatever he does, it's a
• 1:15:13
  decision. I can understand whatever
• 1:15:15
  decision he's doing, I just find it interesting.
• 1:15:18
  From a tactical point. It would have been probably
• 1:15:23
  smarter to queue just to poop. Take it in your own hands, but
• 1:15:28
  if you don't feel like your hands are steady enough, you you
• 1:15:32
  just don't do it. So I don't know, it's it's up to
• 1:15:34
  the players, but this is what's interesting about the ladder
• 1:15:37
  qualifier. It's that it's unpredictable and
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  it's probably not very rational. And with that, I'd say it's a
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  success. You know, it's the whole thing
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  as a content creator, when you're trying to, you know, not
• 1:15:52
  judge too badly and say like, you know, you know, I can, I, I
• 1:15:55
  can understand their decision. I just think it's interesting.
• 1:15:58
  It's like, you know, that you the classic spouse that says
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  like, I'm not mad. I just think it's funny, you
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  know? OK, there's there is one thing I
• 1:16:07
  was very mad about, and only one thing.
• 1:16:10
  What is that? And that is when I heard that
• 1:16:13
  Hart was mad about natural cueing and MBL cueing and these
• 1:16:19
  kind of things that made me mad because I felt like Hart is in
• 1:16:24
  no position to judge whether other players are playing or
• 1:16:27
  not. He only he should only care
• 1:16:30
  about his games and not about others games.
• 1:16:32
  So there there was, there was really, I mean, like I told you,
• 1:16:36
  all the pro players at the top was kind of were kind of calling
• 1:16:40
  the players that don't have any reason to play, but still
• 1:16:46
  playing. They were calling them like a
• 1:16:48
  leather terrorist, like it's an entire meme in between them.
• 1:16:52
  So they were like, Oh, I when I I said earlier that he was
• 1:16:58
  saying, man, why is Lewis playing leather terrorist?
• 1:17:01
  Like he was miming in Harrah's chat about that.
• 1:17:04
  Like he wasn't actually mad about Lewis queuing.
• 1:17:09
  Now I don't know his stance on or like what was his reaction
• 1:17:13
  related to MBL queuing or not. I, I didn't hear him say
• 1:17:19
  anything but him being upset about natural queuing.
• 1:17:25
  I can understand because that's someone that, that that's, I can
• 1:17:31
  understand Huang queuing and, and getting him a little bit
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  better than someone that has that has that, that has that,
• 1:17:44
  that, that has the interest of interfering with their, their
• 1:17:51
  qualifier. In the sense that if you're just
• 1:17:53
  like, you know, sniping for content in the last hour, when
• 1:17:57
  like these are players that are on the edge of breaking down
• 1:18:02
  after two weeks of doing nothing, that, you know, I'm I'm
• 1:18:07
  rarely on the on the on the player side.
• 1:18:11
  I'm rarely on the player side because in my opinion, pro
• 1:18:14
  players in our scene a lot of the times feel a bit too
• 1:18:18
  entitled and a bit too spoiled. But on this, on this particular
• 1:18:24
  ladder, I think this is nerve wracking.
• 1:18:29
  Man, at the end of it all yesterday I was shaking, I was
• 1:18:36
  shaking of anxiety and I was not playing in it.
• 1:18:39
  I I think for two weeks this some of them quit their jobs to
• 1:18:43
  go full time ladder qualifier for two weeks they played, they
• 1:18:49
  prepared their Korean mirror, Burgundian mirrors, maps bugging
• 1:18:55
  in the last day. Thames was spawning river behind
• 1:18:59
  players bases and they had no wood line in the last day when
• 1:19:02
  all the points matter. So in all of this, like he, I
• 1:19:06
  think all of the top 15 was glued to their screen, stressed
• 1:19:12
  out. And then you have a content
• 1:19:15
  creators knifing for fun, for content, for shift pointed and
• 1:19:22
  something crucial in the end. I know, I know.
• 1:19:27
  But again, if he potentially tried to donate points, then he
• 1:19:32
  just did something wrong. If he wasn't trying to do that,
• 1:19:35
  then he was just a player on the ladder and Winchester happened
• 1:19:38
  to cue into him. You know, it's it's, it's just
• 1:19:42
  not a fairway to decide who gets to play in a major tournament
• 1:19:46
  because it's based on luck as well.
• 1:19:48
  And luck should play no part in a strategy game, which is also
• 1:19:52
  true for the bug maps, which involved also a lot of luck for
• 1:19:56
  some of the players. And thank God we had so much
• 1:19:59
  fair play that they kept deleting their villagers and
• 1:20:01
  even lumber camps and these kind of things.
• 1:20:03
  Daniela, I think we covered most important topics.
• 1:20:05
  I we could talk about this endlessly and we'll get another
• 1:20:08
  chance to do that in the magazine if we want to.
• 1:20:12
  I just like to briefly talk about one last thing before
• 1:20:15
  before we end the show and that is the siege tower ban.
• 1:20:20
  Oh no, not enough. Who cares?
• 1:20:22
  Siege towers were banned. There's another thing more
• 1:20:25
  important to talk about. Oh, what would that be, Mr. You
• 1:20:30
  do? You OK?
• 1:20:30
  So the Mr. Yo situation. And the Vivi situation is both
• 1:20:35
  these players streamed without a 2 minute delay which was
• 1:20:38
  required in the last two days. So if the players competing on
• 1:20:43
  the ladder would stream their games, it must have been with a
• 1:20:47
  2 two-minute stream delay which yo didn't do.
• 1:20:52
  So he got deducted 100 points and he was formally placed
• 1:20:56
  number six. So he would have gotten gotten a
• 1:20:59
  major qualification advantage, 1800 plus a lot of money.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah, you're right. Which 1869 points was his end
• 1:21:07
  score of his highest rating. And he got deducted 100 points,
• 1:21:10
  which placed him out of the top 12.
• 1:21:14
  So he gets no advantage whatsoever.
• 1:21:18
  Some say this is harsh, others say this is way too soft because
• 1:21:21
  initially it was said that people would get disqualified if
• 1:21:25
  they would not apply to these rules.
• 1:21:28
  Turned out that it was a may may result.
• 1:21:32
  Into a disqualification sneaked in there.
• 1:21:35
  That leaves a lot of room for interpretations.
• 1:21:38
  But yeah, just right now. I even sent you the the Reddit
• 1:21:42
  post. Someone clipped his reaction
• 1:21:44
  live on stream when he realised apparently he completely forgot
• 1:21:49
  about this and he forgot about the stream today and he was
• 1:21:54
  reading the message from the admins on on on stream and
• 1:21:59
  someone clipped his entire reaction and translated it of
• 1:22:01
  course from oh, he's devastated, He's was devastated and.
• 1:22:07
  I, you know I when? I heard about the the point, the
• 1:22:10
  points deduction. I was like, you know, OK,
• 1:22:12
  whatever, it's he broke the rules.
• 1:22:14
  He got his punishment, but after watching that clip, I mean it's
• 1:22:18
  it's heartbreaking again, it is people for two weeks and his
• 1:22:23
  reaction when he says this leather, this Red Bull leather
• 1:22:26
  qualifier is killing me. I feel like a lot of the players
• 1:22:31
  found that way. It was so harsh on on from every
• 1:22:37
  point of view on the players, so heavy mentally, so stressful
• 1:22:42
  that Oh my God, so would you agree that?
• 1:22:49
  This is actually a bad idea. The whole qualifier, the whole
• 1:22:52
  ladder qualifier it's got, it's very unflexible because when we
• 1:22:57
  had problems and bug maps, they couldn't react to it.
• 1:23:01
  It took forever to ban the siege tower.
• 1:23:03
  We got mirror matches which most of people hated.
• 1:23:06
  We've got, we've established during this podcast that it's
• 1:23:10
  actually also luck based and there's lots of grey zones and
• 1:23:13
  loopholes for players to be corrupt and talk to each other
• 1:23:17
  about maybe improving one one another.
• 1:23:20
  I don't see any advantage of this type of qualifier over a
• 1:23:26
  standard regulated qualifier. Aside from that, it's content
• 1:23:32
  for the content creators. Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  So if you're asking Daniela, Daniela, that's objective.
• 1:23:39
  And on like I said, or kind of on the player side on, on all of
• 1:23:43
  this, then you know, the person, I think it's really bad.
• 1:23:48
  If you're asking Daniela, the streamer, the content creator, I
• 1:23:52
  can say that, you know, I don't care.
• 1:23:54
  I had a great viewership. I had a great month of
• 1:23:58
  streaming. It was content 24/7 for the
• 1:24:01
  content creators. I still, I still incline to the,
• 1:24:06
  you know, Daniela, the person that I, I'm not a big fan of it.
• 1:24:11
  Like it's just there's too many flaws in, in its current state
• 1:24:16
  now, I don't know who's going to change something.
• 1:24:20
  If they're going to change something, I don't know, we'll
• 1:24:23
  see. But in this current state, like
• 1:24:26
  it was now, it was bad. And I would like to point out
• 1:24:30
  that even if it was bad, this current state was even better
• 1:24:35
  than last year because last year was even more brutally stressful
• 1:24:39
  longer. There was like 3 months and #5
• 1:24:44
  and the rest would get 0. At least this this year there
• 1:24:47
  there was more incentive. 25 spots were paid the top 25 and
• 1:24:53
  you know, the 58 and 912 will get special placement and
• 1:24:59
  seating in the last chance qualifier next week.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah. So there's improvement over the
• 1:25:04
  last time, but it's still. Flawed.
• 1:25:07
  Yeah. I would honestly not be
• 1:25:09
  surprised if this was the last. Time we've seen it just.
• 1:25:12
  Because maybe because of the improvements, we also saw more
• 1:25:17
  flaws than the last time. And I'm not sure whether this is
• 1:25:24
  good for the scene. I mean, as you said, it's great
• 1:25:27
  for you guys. It's great content.
• 1:25:29
  I Hera took the most out of it for sure.
• 1:25:32
  And T-90 covered with great numbers and so did you, which
• 1:25:37
  was amazing. I was so happy for you that your
• 1:25:40
  work on casting Korean War or after Korean War, after Korean
• 1:25:46
  War was actually rewarded for you, because that would have
• 1:25:50
  been that would have. Been so.
• 1:25:51
  Painful if everybody hated it, but they still kept on watching
• 1:25:56
  and supporting the content creators.
• 1:25:58
  And it could have gone in a different way.
• 1:26:00
  People could have said no, I don't like this, I'm not
• 1:26:02
  interested in this and turned away from the latter quarter
• 1:26:06
  fire, which they didn't. So I'm happy that at least you
• 1:26:10
  got something out of it. Yeah, but you think there's also
• 1:26:13
  the hype of it and that's the positive another.
• 1:26:15
  Positive aspect of the of the aspect of the Oh my God of the
• 1:26:19
  legend people are it's attention.
• 1:26:23
  People were complaining about the mirrors.
• 1:26:26
  I agree. I had, you know, a lot of first
• 1:26:29
  time chat men. I can't stand this, like, on
• 1:26:31
  every stream, every game. It's Korean Mirror.
• 1:26:34
  But they would lurk there. They would, they would be kind
• 1:26:36
  of curious. OK, but who's going to win it?
• 1:26:38
  What's that going to mean for the latter?
• 1:26:39
  Like, OK, we hate the actual game that you're spectating, but
• 1:26:44
  you know, what does that mean for the latter?
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, it was an exciting 2. Weeks there's again, there's so
• 1:26:54
  much more to talk about, but we can't talk about everything.
• 1:26:56
  I think we covered many important things.
• 1:27:00
  Let's just see what happens in the last chance qualifier and
• 1:27:03
  then at the end of the month, we'll get another chance to talk
• 1:27:05
  about the whole Red Bull qualifying thing.
• 1:27:08
  I'm very much looking forward to it.
• 1:27:09
  Daniela, me too, probably speak one more about this in there.
• 1:27:14
  And. As well.
• 1:27:15
  But OK, that's totally fine. That's totally fine.
• 1:27:18
  I'm looking forward to it. Thank you so much for.
• 1:27:20
  Being on the show, the last chance qualifier and the
• 1:27:22
  tiebreaker. Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:27:25
  That's true. You're actually right.
• 1:27:27
  That's. That's going to be fun.
• 1:27:29
  Thanks again for being on the show.
• 1:27:31
  If you want to check out Daniela, then head on to
• 1:27:34
  twitchtv.notwitch.tv/daniela under score AOE.
• 1:27:39
  I'll link your Twitch stream in the description below in the
• 1:27:43
  show notes. You've been live streaming on
• 1:27:47
  YouTube as well. Will you keep that up or not?
• 1:27:49
  Yeah I'll try to, especially tournaments.
• 1:27:52
  TTL starts now, so. At least the tournaments.
• 1:27:55
  That's well, I have some people that are interested even though
• 1:27:58
  I don't have a YouTube community.
• 1:28:01
  Well, there's one way to start it and that might be live
• 1:28:03
  streaming, I don't know. So make sure to check out
• 1:28:07
  Daniela over there, even if you're watching on Twitch, you
• 1:28:09
  know what, just go there and give her a like and a thumbs up
• 1:28:12
  and a subscription on YouTube. It doesn't hurt for you and it's
• 1:28:16
  free and it helps Daniela to grow her channel.
• 1:28:20
  Daniela, thanks again and see you soon in the magazine.
• 1:28:24
  See you, Chris. Thanks for having me.
• 1:28:26
  This was fun.