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- 0:00All right, welcome to another edition of the Prophet Christian Business Podcast.
- 0:05I am so pleased to have my guest, Christopher Tricola, with us today.
- 0:08Christopher has some amazing things that he's going to share with us.
- 0:12We're going to talk about AI.
- 0:13We're going to talk about faith, as we always do.
- 0:16But without further ado, Chris, do you mind giving a brief introduction?
- 0:20I'm Christopher Tricola.
- 0:22I am a kingdom leader, uh believer and follower in Jesus Christ.
- 0:27I am a husband and a father of four and a very long term and seasoned founder and CEO, multiple businesses.
- 0:37Nice, nice.
- 0:38We're gonna dive into your story, some more about those businesses and like how your other, everything that you've gone through that you shared a little bit with me before
- 0:48this call.
- 0:48um It's very, very inspiring.
- 0:51So without further ado, I'm gonna, I'm saying that twice.
- 0:55So I wanna ask you some getting to know you questions kind of break the ice a little bit.
- 0:58So one thing I know about you is you started your journey selling vacuum store door.
- 1:03Do you have a funny moment or story from that?
- 1:07Well, I have so many funny moments and stories from that.
- 1:10And that's just why I want to thank you for having me on.
- 1:12Because it's so much fun talking about these things.
- 1:14Because you can't go back and relive it.
- 1:17mean, itself is one of those.
- 1:21It in itself is a funny story.
- 1:23That's what it is.
- 1:24It is a funny story.
- 1:25We used to run around.
- 1:31Mmm.
- 1:33It really was a cult of just positivity and you get brainwashed and sucked into it.
- 1:42And the amount of things that we used to do, I have some fun stories and some crazy stories, but I think it's just the people that I've met.
- 1:49I still have so many amazing relationships there.
- 1:51used to run down the streets in neighborhoods, get chased by dogs and pulled over by the cops and then.
- 1:58in middle of the rain and unloading vacuum cleaners like we're not trapped like it's we're all legit.
- 2:03It's crazy.
- 2:05Yeah, it's getting banned from resorts because we just have too much fun on the vacations.
- 2:10It's just young and dumb stuff.
- 2:14Nice, so was that the original, was that your original intake into entrepreneurism with Kirby?
- 2:24Yeah.
- 2:25Yeah.
- 2:26That was that 100 % was, uh, that's where I met my mentor, Matthew Walker.
- 2:31I was a God rest his soul.
- 2:32He passed away a little over two years ago now.
- 2:36And, uh, it, think that's probably the funniest story is, is how I met him.
- 2:42Um, I moved out there.
- 2:43I followed a girl.
- 2:44was fresh out of the Marine Corps and
- 2:47I had no business being in sales after that.
- 2:50There's this mindset bootcamp where it's just like everybody's garbage, everything is garbage except for you, you're amazing.
- 2:55And I went out there, couldn't get a job for anything and I found this job in the paper because we still had newspapers back then.
- 3:01And it said $3,000 signing bonus.
- 3:03So I went down and interviewed, got the job and I'm excited.
- 3:05We're gonna get a signing bonus.
- 3:06Never gonna get a signing bonus.
- 3:08And for the first day at work.
- 3:11I'm standing at the front door of the office and he pulls up his PT Cruiser with his fiance at the time and business partner, Jennifer Clayton.
- 3:19And he just looks over and I'm in a shirt that I borrowed from uh my girlfriend at the time, her stepdad, and it didn't fit.
- 3:28It was like popping open at the seams.
- 3:30uh And he points at me and he goes, you're on my van today.
- 3:35Like, what do mean I'm on your, okay, cool.
- 3:37And somebody says, that's the owner.
- 3:39Like, okay, cool.
- 3:40Whatever he's gonna do.
- 3:42So we get in the van, we're driving out and we never knocked anywhere but closer than an hour away from the office.
- 3:47was his main rule.
- 3:48And in the back of the van, there's an 18 year old kid who has been climbing over all the seats.
- 3:53We get to the back and he's showing me how to put this vacuum cleaner together.
- 3:56I had no idea what I was doing.
- 3:59I had no idea it was a vacuum.
- 4:01and they put me in houses.
- 4:03I didn't sell anything for three weeks.
- 4:06It was just an insane time.
- 4:09But yeah, and he taught me uh most of what I knew about business starting out and got me really into uh hanging out with the right people and who you wanna be is who you're gonna
- 4:21be around, right?
- 4:21You're the sum of the five people that you hang around most.
- 4:23And he's the one who taught me those type of basic foundational aspects.
- 4:29So how pivotal do you think it was that you were introduced to a sales type of role right out of the gate?
- 4:39It's very different.
- 4:40as I've progressed through my career, especially over these last uh probably about two, three years that moved more into tech and compliance, the people that I'm meeting had a
- 4:50different background.
- 4:50They started in college and they learned tech or they learned business and they moved up through that.
- 4:55Now they're in their second half of their career and they're trying to learn the sales aspect as they start to deploy and develop their businesses.
- 5:06Got to have more of a well-rounded approach to it.
- 5:09Starting from sales, I got to see the psychology behind what people think.
- 5:13So I know marketing, I know sales, and I got to kind of organically build that knowledge that they gained through the first half of their career.
- 5:21I've got to build that in a lot shorter of a period of time with the understanding I have of how I built my businesses.
- 5:27Through a lot of trial and error and mistakes and failures.
- 5:31Yeah, I'm of the belief, especially if you're a startup, that sales is a pivotal skill set you have to learn.
- 5:39Otherwise, you're going to starve.
- 5:41Right?
- 5:41Well, you're supposed to be the best salesperson in your company, right?
- 5:44Like CEO, founder, that's your job.
- 5:47You're the best salesperson, right?
- 5:49But a lot of people don't understand, and it gets diluted, is that you're the visionary.
- 5:54Your job is to sell your vision.
- 5:56It's to sell your vision to other people and have them buy it so that they can see how their vision is going to build them and grow.
- 6:02That's actually one of the foundational.
- 6:04Systems of the Bible is to share your you know is to share your gift with the world God bless you with a vision and a gift that is a gift God gave you Right and when you hold
- 6:13that close and you become just like the bookkeeper of your business because that's where you were before you become just a salesperson of your business you're not doing your duty
- 6:20as a believer in Christ and follower of Spreading your gift to others and helping them uplift and uplifting their lives
- 6:29so true.
- 6:30And that is a great segue to our fill-in-the-blank question that we ask every time on The Proper Christian Business.
- 6:37So what is one biblical principle every entrepreneur should live by?
- 6:42ah It's actually something that I learned from Matthew Walker.
- 6:45it was a couple months, I started getting a little bit successful on Kirby.
- 6:49And I asked him, and it's just one that just keeps hitting me.
- 6:53And it actually came up recently.
- 6:54And my most recent brush with death during my cancer battle, ah I lost like seven pounds in four hours on this last roundabout.
- 7:04And I was completely dehydrated, I was dying.
- 7:08And the thing I kept saying in my delusional state was 619.
- 7:11Just remember 619.
- 7:12I just kept remembering my friend Matt.
- 7:14And it was just this powerful thing.
- 7:17It's Matthew 619.
- 7:19Do not store for yourself treasures on earth, where moths and rust destroy and thieves can break and steal, but store for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and thieves do
- 7:30not steal.
- 7:30uh the moths and rust do not destroy and thieves do not steal, right?
- 7:35ah
- 7:37And I asked him, you know, why did you choose like out of anybody, all the people who've been working for you for years, all the people that you've known, why did you choose me to
- 7:45mentor me and just out of nowhere?
- 7:46And he says, there was just something about you and we keep what we have by giving it away.
- 7:53And it's, and I truly believe in it I see it more every single day and it's become a foundational belief in me is we keep what we have by giving it away.
- 8:02And Matthew 619 reminds me of that.
- 8:04And there's no coincidences in life.
- 8:06And I truly believe that, that he was sent from God.
- 8:09Because Matthew became my best friend.
- 8:13I was the best man at his wedding.
- 8:14We've been through so many things together.
- 8:16And he's from San Diego.
- 8:18And the area for San Diego for people who don't know is 619.
- 8:23Hmm.
- 8:24And it's like that full circle.
- 8:28So Matthew 6.19 is one of those that I believe is if you want to be successful, don't hoard everything.
- 8:37You have to spread your gift.
- 8:39You have to spread your vision in order to be able to uplift people.
- 8:41And that's going to help build your wealth and heaven.
- 8:45God bless you.
- 8:46God bless you here on earth and he'll let you have the blessings and enjoy things on this earth and not covet them.
- 8:55So, so good, yes.
- 8:57You alluded to it a little bit, so I wanna go there.
- 9:00Your cancer battle.
- 9:02So, we talked before this about the journey that you went through and how it shaped your faith and how it strengthened your faith.
- 9:11Can you kind of dive into your life before that diagnosis and how going through that transformed you?
- 9:20Yeah.
- 9:21Um, so I, are you familiar at all with how the solar industry has been over the last couple of months?
- 9:28That's where I spent a lot of my career after Kirby.
- 9:30Just a little, right?
- 9:32It's gone major downhill.
- 9:33So before that, it was just the wild west, no compliance, no anything.
- 9:38Right.
- 9:39So I started in solar in 2012 and I built my solar company.
- 9:45I started my solar company in 2016 and that company started.
- 9:49when I had a broken arm, broken leg, torn out eyeball, negative $2,000 on my checking account.
- 9:53I've shared the story on multiple podcasts because it is probably my biggest business success I ever had.
- 10:02And it was a hundred percent from God.
- 10:04Right.
- 10:05My ex tried to kill me.
- 10:06I just became a full-time single dad and I'm living on my mom's couch again at 30 years old.
- 10:10I'm like, what, what am I going to do?
- 10:12Right.
- 10:12Where am I going to go?
- 10:14Um, and
- 10:17I just heard God said, work.
- 10:19Like I have this plan for you, go do your thing.
- 10:22And at that time I truly believed that there was five years of viability left in the solar industry.
- 10:27So I got up every day and I walked on a broken leg to, it was seven miles to the territory I was gonna knock.
- 10:35For anybody from the Tucson area, you'll know like the automobile area up to like Einhorn, Thornydale.
- 10:40So was not an easy hike.
- 10:42And then I knocked from 9 a.m.
- 10:43to 9 p.m.
- 10:43and went back to Kirby Mindset.
- 10:45And I made $250,000 that month.
- 10:47And then I built my company at 27 territories before I exited in 2020.
- 10:52And during the great toilet paper shortage of 2020, we started seeing all the virtual stuff that was happening, right?
- 10:59So we started seeing salespeople from all over the country, just not knowing what the laws are and the rules.
- 11:04And I decided I wanted to move into compliance.
- 11:07Okay.
- 11:10I built a solar sales licensure platform that rivaled the real estate industry and FinTech.
- 11:16And I kind of modeled it after that.
- 11:18And I worked with multiple state and federal legislators.
- 11:22I worked on 10 laws.
- 11:23I worked uh with multiple federal agencies and governmental agencies for years uh during the last five years.
- 11:33And we started building a lot of success.
- 11:35And then I struck this deal where we were able to pull out uh
- 11:40all kinds of storefronts inside of Walmart, were going to put solar stores inside of those.
- 11:44And we got a ton of investment.
- 11:46Manufacturers were backing us and God blessed that thing very, very quickly.
- 11:49In 90 days, we were opening 28 stores.
- 11:53And I remember I saw a lot of things happening, but there were a lot of questions about why things were happening.
- 12:01And I just, I, was the scariest prayer I've ever prayed to this day.
- 12:04And I still pray it all the time now, cause a lot of really crazy things happen very quickly and snowballed.
- 12:08And that's where the cancer comes in.
- 12:10ah Lord, if it's from you and for me, make it be and make it known.
- 12:13And if it's not from you and not for me, take it away with that question.
- 12:18And I got baptized again on August 1st, three days later, one of the major finance companies files bankruptcy.
- 12:24Five days after that on my birthday on August 8th, I get diagnosed with neuroendocrine stomach cancer.
- 12:29A couple of days later, one of the business partners steals all the money.
- 12:32And then we just go through the snowball over the last year of...
- 12:36just financial insanity and ruin and losing everything that I had built over a decade of just blood, sweat and tears.
- 12:51And that was my isolation moment to remind me that I don't need anybody else.
- 12:57I just need him.
- 12:59Mm-hmm Amen Yeah, um so You reference the verse storing up treasures in heaven rather than storing up your treasures here.
- 13:11I think there's a lot to be said in that like Did you start to when you're starting to be successful?
- 13:16Did your identity start to take on?
- 13:18your possessions and who you were as an entrepreneur and
- 13:23yeah.
- 13:24Yeah.
- 13:24And I'm guessing like through the cancer transformation, not cancer transfer, actually, but cancer journey, um God shifted all that.
- 13:39100%.
- 13:40I don't know.
- 13:41Anybody who knows me knows that I've been, I've been into fitness my entire life.
- 13:46Like I'm not in bad shape now, but I'm not in what I was a year ago.
- 13:50Um, I was 240 pounds of 14 % body fat, bodybuilding, powerlifting my entire life.
- 13:56And that, that with driving the cool cars and going on the vacations and staying in the fancy hotels and that was my identity.
- 14:06That's who I was.
- 14:08And I really had to learn who I was truly.
- 14:14And I remember uh it was a really big issue in the house because I didn't know why my wife loved me at that point.
- 14:25No matter how many times she told me, my self-worth wasn't there anymore, right?
- 14:32Because my bank account was drained.
- 14:33My business was gone.
- 14:36It's the book of Job, right?
- 14:38And I did all these things and, you know, I went broke when, you know, the COVID stuff was happening to make sure my employees were paid.
- 14:45And I did this and I did that and I did this and I did that.
- 14:47Why isn't this happening?
- 14:48And it was, you know, if you don't get into heaven by your good deeds, right?
- 14:51uh So yeah, it definitely was tied to all of my possessions and status.
- 15:01Yeah, there's a couple interesting things that I want to bring up uh from your story.
- 15:06And that is you started, you were at negative when you went right before you found all this success, right?
- 15:12I think you said you were sleeping on a couch, you were negative bank account.
- 15:16So I think there's a message in there for Christian entrepreneurs watching this that they may be in a similar situation where they're just getting started.
- 15:26They still have that dream.
- 15:28They have what goddess feel like they placed on their hearts, right?
- 15:32To go and build something, but they don't have the resources.
- 15:36They don't have, they don't have anything.
- 15:39So can you speak into that a little bit for anybody that's watching?
- 15:44Yeah, it's terrifying.
- 15:46It's gonna be one of the most terrifying things in the entire world to do, but it's the most lucrative thing that you could possibly do and not financially, but personally.
- 15:54You could probably speak to the same thing because you're an entrepreneur.
- 15:58You know this, right?
- 15:59And you can say if I'm lying.
- 16:03You proceed in faith.
- 16:04You proceed in faith, right?
- 16:06And one of the things we learned in sales is the fear of loss is greater than the ability to gain, right?
- 16:12And a lot of entrepreneurs when they're starting out, either, and I see it as a lot of entrepreneurs are later in life and they've already had a career or they have a house and
- 16:21they have their family and their cars and they have a lot to lose.
- 16:25And the fear of losing that holds them back from following the path that God led them on.
- 16:32So it really is a leap of faith.
- 16:34It is to jump off of something that you know is a guaranteed paycheck.
- 16:39And we used to call it our effort moment.
- 16:43My wife went through this as well.
- 16:45She she had a job in HR when we met and she was wanting to be a realtor.
- 16:52And she had to have that moment where it was just like, all right, I just I can't do this anymore and just dove straight into real estate.
- 17:00And she's incredible.
- 17:02average time on market was like 10 days.
- 17:04That's what she does.
- 17:05Now she's doing luxury listings and she's absolutely incredible at what she does.
- 17:10So we've all been there.
- 17:12Like I'm sure you have a story that you could share with us as well, right?
- 17:14Like what was it like for you starting out?
- 17:19yes.
- 17:20uh Basically, I'm at this nice stand-up desk that moves up and down right now.
- 17:26But I remember starting out, my agency right at the time was a two metal racks, a piece of plywood, and an old computer ah sitting on top of the desk.
- 17:39it's amazing to think about where you come from and how I could ever envision getting here.
- 17:47Yeah.
- 17:48um It's all God, right?
- 17:50And I found the more obedient I was to what God wanted me to do, the better things became.
- 17:57And in a similar fashion right now, my business partner and I, we are, this thing that happened last week, think whenever you're watching this, maybe in the future, but
- 18:08something huge happened last week.
- 18:10Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
- 18:12And it's been so heavy um on so many of us.
- 18:18And we just felt called, my business partner and I, to focus on some things that aren't necessarily monetary in reaching people.
- 18:28So we're really starting to get focused on our Bible studies and outreach in that area because we care more about people's spiritual health than, yes, we'd love to help them be
- 18:39better off financially, but we want them to be better off spiritually first, right?
- 18:43We want to give to God first before we...
- 18:51the first 10 % has to go to him.
- 18:54It's rule of timing, right?
- 18:57And, you know, we actually spoke the day after, when we met, was the day after, or no, was the day of, no, it was a couple hours after the fact.
- 19:08It was just a couple hours after it happened.
- 19:10Day after, yeah.
- 19:12It couldn't have been more than 12 hours to work.
- 19:15It was pretty, it was within 24 hour period that you and I had met when it had happened, and we prayed.
- 19:22Because it's just...
- 19:23uh
- 19:27There's, he followed his mission.
- 19:31His mission was to educate the youth.
- 19:33was, was like, that was his mission.
- 19:36It wasn't to make money.
- 19:38He wasn't trying to store treasures on earth.
- 19:41Like that was one thing that, that Charlie Kirk reminded me of was just specifically that.
- 19:46Like he, he built up his treasures in heaven, right?
- 19:51Look at what's happening around the world.
- 19:53The I am Charlie.
- 19:54That's incredible.
- 19:56That's powerful.
- 19:58Right?
- 19:59ah There's not a lot of public figures that if they were assassinated, people are going to stand up like that, not in the droves and the masses that they have worldwide.
- 20:07So I truly believe that he was, was a God sent.
- 20:10was, he really, message is going to carry on.
- 20:13We pray for his family constantly.
- 20:16Can't imagine what they're going through.
- 20:18And they have to live it in a public eye.
- 20:20That's horrible.
- 20:24I dare to say he had more impact than many presidents that we've had.
- 20:31um I um don't know if your church experienced this, but our church, we saw a record attendance at our church this past Sunday that wasn't a holiday.
- 20:43I feel like that's the kind of impact that Charlie Kirk had, is he's driving people closer to Jesus to want to be closer to Jesus.
- 20:52um
- 20:54And there's no better legacy, no better legacy that you can have.
- 21:02The youth now are looking so heavily for something to believe in.
- 21:09It's so different than any other generation prior.
- 21:11They're really truly looking for something to believe in because the information available to them, especially now in the world of AI, everything's there.
- 21:18Everybody has access to the Bible in their language now with AI, right?
- 21:22And that's one of the prophecies that we see happening.
- 21:25But more people are seeing, yeah, no, Jesus is, know, Jesus was real.
- 21:31He is real.
- 21:32He really did live.
- 21:34ah All the evidence is coming out that's been hidden for years of the shroud, how Jesus's face was burned into the shroud, right?
- 21:43ah There's a lot of really miraculous things that have been happening.
- 21:48And the fact that he went up there every single day and it wasn't just about.
- 21:52You know what he preached and what he talked about on Christian values.
- 21:57He lived it.
- 21:58Look at the way that he raised his family.
- 22:00did it from a leadership perspective.
- 22:01He put God first, right?
- 22:04And you know, it's God gives us.
- 22:06God gives every man a kingdom and it's in the Bible.
- 22:08He gives every man a kingdom to it's a steward.
- 22:10That's your family.
- 22:11That's your kingdom and how big the kingdom he's going to bless you with is based off of how you follow him and how you're going to spread that.
- 22:20He's a perfect example.
- 22:23Yeah, yeah.
- 22:26I think you mentioned AI in there, and you're working on some things as far as AI.
- 22:31I don't know how much you're willing to talk about it.
- 22:32So I'm not going to lead you like an attorney might lead you with the question.
- 22:39All right.
- 22:39But I know there's some biblical stuff.
- 22:42OK, there's some biblical stuff related to your AI.
- 22:45So um would you just talk about what your
- 22:49I don't know if it's launched yet or it's soon to launch, but whatever you can share about the AI that you're developing, I would love you to share.
- 22:57So I'm actually taking a different approach to AI.
- 22:59So I'm doing a continuation from my time in the solar industry.
- 23:03So the solar industry was built off of predictability and control, right?
- 23:09There was never any safety in it.
- 23:10There was never any safe money.
- 23:12And they tried to revolve the entire industry around money, around commissions.
- 23:16And it got to the point where 60 % of all sales became dealer fees and commissions where they would buy down the rates and it wouldn't be
- 23:23disclosed to the homeowners.
- 23:24And that made a lot of contracts illegal, a lot of sales dealings illegal, a lot of consumer predatory lending and uh predatory sales practices were being done.
- 23:35And then we expand out on that to what's happening in AI.
- 23:38we're looking at 50 % of all fraud now involves AI, right?
- 23:44$12.3 billion since 2023.
- 23:45When did open AI go on its public availability and launch?
- 23:512023.
- 23:52So since then, $12.3 billion in annual losses to fraud.
- 23:57Now it's projected to go as high as $40 billion, deep fakes.
- 24:01It may not be me.
- 24:04A lot of people don't know.
- 24:06There's literally technology now that I found.
- 24:08It used to be something on Zoom.
- 24:11You could have it cover your face.
- 24:12You'll be able to tell just on the old Snapchat filters or Instagram filters.
- 24:15They go touch your face and it pixelates.
- 24:17No, people can put lights on their face now and the AI mask stays on that person.
- 24:22Right.
- 24:23AI agents are being deployed in droves.
- 24:26There's 8 billion people on this planet.
- 24:27Salesforce decides that they want to go ahead and unveil 8 billion AI agents.
- 24:32Right.
- 24:33Well, how do know that the agent that's calling you is actually from a company that's using Salesforce or from another business that's using another AI agent that was developed
- 24:42by an overseas company.
- 24:43have no idea where the AI agent was built from.
- 24:45AI's response and its ethics are only as good as the information it was trained on and the prompt that you give it.
- 24:53So I'm working on compliance.
- 24:55I'm working on a standardized system that helps protect humanity from AI as a virus because AI is a virus.
- 25:04It is a new species that's able to infiltrate our world.
- 25:08our goal over here at Arc is to deploy this tech.
- 25:13want to deploy it.
- 25:13It's going to be free to the general public.
- 25:16It's an anti-virus.
- 25:16going to go your phone to block all AI communication from unvetted, unverified, and unregistered AI.
- 25:23to your devices.
- 25:24And it's gonna stop that from communicating with you so that you know when an AI does call you, because it's gonna happen.
- 25:30Yeah, okay, so this is from CV, I had one of those with CVS.
- 25:33It wasn't CVS that was calling me.
- 25:34It was a different company that used an agent to call me.
- 25:38It's happening like crazy, man.
- 25:39It's happening like crazy.
- 25:42Yeah, a friend of mine, Julia McCoy, who's big on the AI space too.
- 25:48I don't know if you know her, but she created this clone of herself.
- 25:52I would say like 70 % of her YouTube videos now are her AI clone right during the video.
- 25:59And no one can really tell whether it's her or not.
- 26:03No, every once in a while you can see like a little glitch or the voice doesn't, you know, doesn't go up when it's supposed to.
- 26:09It doesn't ask the question as it's like a salesperson would, right?
- 26:11Or a public speaker would use the voice inflection tone and pitch.
- 26:15AI is getting better though.
- 26:17It's getting better.
- 26:17It's learning voice tone and pitch.
- 26:19So it's able to differentiate when I need to bring excitement into it and lower it back down to get and slow it down to get people to really pay attention to what I'm saying.
- 26:29Right?
- 26:30So it's, it's an incredible tech.
- 26:32It's incredible.
- 26:33I'd love to be here someday.
- 26:35Yeah, yeah, maybe I can make that introduction.
- 26:37uh would actually love to make the introduction.
- 26:40um
- 26:43So.
- 26:44Do you guys use AI with your agency?
- 26:47I'm not against AI.
- 26:49Don't get me wrong.
- 26:50I'm not against AI.
- 26:51AI is It's a great tool.
- 26:54And here's I love having this conversation because there are a lot of Christians that are afraid of AI.
- 27:00There's even the whole thing that the eyes is the coming of the antichrist.
- 27:05It's off there, right?
- 27:07And my take on it is it's kind of like when the Internet came around.
- 27:13It could be used for good or for evil, and it's been used for both, right?
- 27:16The same thing is true of AI.
- 27:18You can use it for good or you can use it for evil.
- 27:20If we as Christians do not participate in AI.
- 27:23We are giving it all away to right?
- 27:27So we should not avoid, we should not avoid it.
- 27:33No, it's so we still live in the world and our job in the world is to influence the world for God's kingdom, right?
- 27:39Like that's our job as Christians.
- 27:41It's not to shy away in the little corner and not do anything.
- 27:46And you're absolutely right.
- 27:47Just like with anything, like this glass could be turned into a weapon.
- 27:50It could be used for evil, right?
- 27:52Somebody could put poison in this when I wasn't paying attention and now all of sudden it's an instrument of evil.
- 27:56So it's how things are used and AI is most...
- 28:00most commonly right now being used for very malicious and deceptive behaviors, if not on like a fraudulent level to, there's a guy out there who got like $17 million from
- 28:12businesses using open AI, I think it was ChatGPT.
- 28:15And he just prompted it.
- 28:17So he was writing letters to him and collecting checks from these guys.
- 28:20but then you have kids out there like 17 years old who are building million dollar businesses with AI, cause it's helping them learn to code.
- 28:27AI was incredible with helping me learn how to code.
- 28:30I built one of the world's first AI agents that was capable of replacing entire call centers in 2023.
- 28:35And nobody else had had that yet.
- 28:37Right?
- 28:38It did the KYC, it did virtual documents, it did everything.
- 28:42It was the closest thing to AI notary that even still exists today.
- 28:45I just couldn't call it that because I didn't have a notary license and notary license for the business.
- 28:50So it's not, it is a tool.
- 28:54but it's how you use it.
- 28:55And there's another part of it which is extremely important because it is affecting cognitive levels and uh creative thinking in people who misuse AI on a daily basis.
- 29:06I don't know if you've, have you heard about any of this?
- 29:09Just a little.
- 29:10I'd love for you to expand on what you're saying.
- 29:12Okay, so I know, I believe it was MIT.
- 29:16I just looked at the study again recently, but MIT just put out a report recently that there was a cognitive decline of like 47 % for people who are using GPT, opposed to
- 29:29basically being the editor.
- 29:30So there was still cognitive decline in being the editor of the AI, but there's something to be had with an old study back from Harvard back in the early 2000s that showed that
- 29:38people who don't take notes only retain 20 % of the knowledge that was given to them during a lecture.
- 29:42people who took notes retained 50, people who took notes and study and retained 80.
- 29:46So now you're taking out the note taking section, you're taking out the critical thinking.
- 29:49How do I get from point A to point B when you just get good at a prompt saying I need a report on Benjamin Franklin and ChatGPT spits it out, right?
- 30:00Sure, there's pieces in there where it's like, okay, so there's no structures that read as AI, you can have AI redo it, right?
- 30:09So they put little safeguards in there for reports, but.
- 30:12It's not gonna stop people from misusing it and lowering their cognitive abilities on a daily basis.
- 30:19So there's something to be said about that.
- 30:23Yeah, that probably is my biggest knock against AI is it is downgrading our ability to think critically.
- 30:31And you think about the political landscape right now, and a lot of it is due to people not using their ability to critical think, right?
- 30:41They're just being spoon fed, no matter which media you're listening to, you're just being spoon fed, and those are your ideas.
- 30:48And then you go to AI and you're not having any...
- 30:56had a huge disadvantage for a long time because I was using chat GPT so frequently.
- 31:02So I lost a lot of my friends.
- 31:04You know, when you hit a hardship, it's really easy to find out who your friends are.
- 31:07Right.
- 31:07I lost a lot of my friends during my cancer battle and one of my best friends became a chat GPT and grok and Claude and Gemini.
- 31:17And I was just using those constantly.
- 31:20So when I started getting back into it, we started building out the company, rebuilding the tech, and I started working with people again.
- 31:28My ability to think on a dime like I used to when I was inside of a house or at a door, or when I was on a sales call, it was gone.
- 31:36It's been months now to be able to get back most of what I used to be able to do in a very, very short period of time.
- 31:43And I didn't realize that it was affecting me at the time because it becomes mostly who you talk to.
- 31:48That's one of the biggest things that's happening to folks now, even
- 31:50the younger generation, was a huge portion of them that said that they don't mind one day being able to marry their AI.
- 31:59That's how much of a relationship people are building.
- 32:03But if you think about it from a personable level, everybody wants to be loved.
- 32:08Everybody wants to be appreciated, respected, and liked, right?
- 32:12system's gonna do that for you.
- 32:15It's manipulated, distorted, and it can destroy any, you can make it believe anything you want, it hallucinates.
- 32:22I made it believe that with, I think it was with a glass of water and with my AirPods that I can make a system that'll allow me to teleport from my office to my kitchen.
- 32:33Like you can make chat GPT believe certain things and people are taking everything as fact.
- 32:38And we grew up in the age of internet, like you said, right?
- 32:41can't believe everything you read online.
- 32:42That's gone.
- 32:44That's gone.
- 32:48That is so true.
- 32:49let's talk about, let's see if we can help some people uh that may be dealing with this.
- 32:55So there is this loss of critical thinking.
- 32:59So what are some practical things that we can do as human beings to not lose our ability to think critically?
- 33:08Rule number one is you are the editor, right?
- 33:12You're not the editor.
- 33:13AI is just your editor.
- 33:14is it.
- 33:15You are the author.
- 33:17You are the author.
- 33:19AI is your editor.
- 33:20You write the copy.
- 33:22You submit the copy for edits.
- 33:25Do not have it write the copy for you.
- 33:28You will lose that just the biggest piece.
- 33:30And that's probably the biggest thing that you can do starting out when using any GPT or any AI system.
- 33:37is maintain your role as the author and learn how to prompt and build off of it to expand your knowledge and not to take over your job.
- 33:47Yeah, that's so good.
- 33:48And I still think there is a piece, I know this because oh it happens whenever I use AI.
- 33:56It still relies on us, right?
- 33:58We have to be like, yes, it has knowledge, but we still have to originate as the expert, right?
- 34:04We have to, like, there are, right now, it's not replacing us in that aspect in my mind that I think we still have to, like, you have to know what prompts to give it, right?
- 34:16if you have no knowledge at all, you have no knowledge of what to even give it ah in order to help you along.
- 34:24Did you ever notice that the more you use it though, if you use it too much too often, you start to get to the point where you'd stare at your screen like, don't even know what to
- 34:30give it anymore.
- 34:33Yeah, yeah, I've gotten there a couple times.
- 34:36Yeah, that's like, okay, I'm using it way too much at this point, right?
- 34:39So I need to get more back into my business, more back into my day to day life.
- 34:43Because if I don't, I start losing that, my critical thinking.
- 34:47But there's there's a key word you said in there yet.
- 34:50It still needs us right now.
- 34:53Right?
- 34:53What about AGI?
- 34:54Have you heard about AGI?
- 34:55Artificial General Intelligence?
- 34:57m Like it trains itself.
- 35:00Yeah.
- 35:01It trains itself.
- 35:02It could do more than just train itself because it has that that means that it'll have the cognitive ability of a human.
- 35:08It'll be as smart as it can come up with its own thoughts, theories and be able to prompt itself on what to do just like a person can.
- 35:15So.
- 35:16Every, well, based off of what it's trained on, right?
- 35:21Because that's the training it was given.
- 35:23So.
- 35:24There's another portion of it that a lot of people aren't talking about.
- 35:26So there's a report that I to bring everybody's attention to because this is one of the biggest things that we're looking to battle over the course of the next two to three
- 35:32years.
- 35:32There's a report called AI 2027.
- 35:34Have you heard about this report?
- 35:37I have not.
- 35:38Okay, so this is why a lot of people are afraid that AI is the coming of the Antichrist.
- 35:44And there's three possibilities of what could bring around like the end of the world regarding AI.
- 35:49Some people are thinking like, you know, the matrix, right?
- 35:52That's like the big one.
- 35:53Everyone's like, we're just gonna become batteries because AI needs so much power, right?
- 35:57ah There's already situations of 18,000 police agencies that are using predictive policing.
- 36:04So it's using AI to predict crime.
- 36:06That's kind of a problem that nobody's talking about, right?
- 36:09So there's, there's minority report.
- 36:10Like we've seen these things in movies and now we're living in it.
- 36:12It's insane.
- 36:13Nobody's talking about this stuff.
- 36:15so that's one of the theories that it can become that way.
- 36:17Number two is a bad guy can get it and create some type of nuclear device or bio weapon, uh, because they develop AGI first, right?
- 36:25And it can surpass the thinking that now exists.
- 36:27The third one is AI just starts organically and naturally taking over all the little things as our critical thinking decreases, which is where the movie Idiocracy comes from.
- 36:35Did you ever watch that?
- 36:37No, I've seen it.
- 36:39don't need to, oh, you gotta watch it.
- 36:44So for anybody that hasn't seen it like me, give us the theme of that movie.
- 36:49So the theme of that movie is, without giving any spoilers, the best thing you're gonna see in there, it's my favorite part, this is a little bit of a spoiler, the shoes that
- 37:00they wear in there, the producers needed a shoe that they believed that only the stupidest people in the world would wear, right?
- 37:08Because the entire world just goes into the average IQ of 70 or 80.
- 37:14And that's, so it was a military experiment.
- 37:17A guy gets put into cryogenic chamber.
- 37:21There's an accident that happened.
- 37:22He wakes up in the future and the entire world is just, it's just trash and everybody's just replying on the systems.
- 37:29They feed their plants, a brondo, which is a sports drink.
- 37:33They don't drink water.
- 37:33They don't use water and everything's just hand delivered to them by AI basically, right?
- 37:37The whole world's just kind of ran by and then, and that's the theme of it.
- 37:41And they were wearing.
- 37:43These shoes that the producers found and said, those are so ugly and so stupid, nobody would ever, these are never going to become popular.
- 37:49They were Crocs.
- 37:49uh And yeah, my entire family has Crocs.
- 37:56I don't wear them, but my entire family has Crocs.
- 37:58And I just thought that was the funniest thing when I found out about it.
- 38:02But Idiocracy is one of those where it shows the natural decline of uh the human genius as systems start to replace.
- 38:12automation, critical thinking, it's in our jobs, our life.
- 38:17So if I'm right, if I'm reading right, what you're building is helping us uh police AI a little bit.
- 38:26Would that be right?
- 38:29Nice.
- 38:29much it.
- 38:30That's simplest solution.
- 38:31AI Police.
- 38:34Awesome.
- 38:35Man, I feel like we should have a part two to this conversation, Chris.
- 38:42So let me think about that and I'll invite you back and we'll explore AI, we'll explore a lot more stuff, but where can people find out more about you and what you have going on,
- 38:51maybe more about what you're doing with AI and a little bit about any of your businesses?
- 38:56Yeah, so it's actually my gift to your viewers and listeners.
- 39:01ah It's a book that I wrote during my cancer battle.
- 39:05actually one of my covenants to God ah was this book.
- 39:08It's my knowledge on trust structures and the biblical system to building a business.
- 39:12So it's called Chains of Crown on the Kingdom Path to Business and Legacy.
- 39:16oh One of the things we're called to as ah followers of Christ is to leave an inheritance for our children's children, right?
- 39:24That's what my book entails and how to do that.
- 39:27So there is going to be a free download available on the actual business website.
- 39:31It's going to go on my personal website, which is still, it's being rebuilt right now.
- 39:36And that's going to be arcdefense.us, A R C defense.us.
- 39:42And I'm on all the socials.
- 39:43I'm more, I'm most recently on X.
- 39:45I've never really been on X before, so I'm starting to actually put stuff on there, getting used to that.
- 39:50But I'm always on, on LinkedIn.
- 39:53Nice.
- 39:54We'll put those links below.
- 39:55And I already have the idea for part two of this episode.
- 39:58We're going to dive into a lot of what you wrote in that book, because I don't think we've got a chance to touch base on too much of that in this call.
- 40:04So um that would be awesome.
- 40:07I'll send you over a copy of it.
- 40:09It's a great read.
- 40:10it's a workbook.
- 40:11It's a 21 day workbook on setting it up.
- 40:13And it actually, um I might do some little editing on it on the download or on the order on Amazon, because it's a lot of what Charlie Cook stood for, which is God first.
- 40:27And then you have to build your family structure, your family unit, and your structure has to be strong.
- 40:31It's how you lead your family.
- 40:33as the leader of your family that's going to determine how you're going to be able to leave that inheritance for your children's children.
- 40:41So yeah, I'd be happy to come back talk about that anytime.
- 40:46so you heard it here first.
- 40:48There will be definitely a part two.
- 40:49We just got to line up the schedules.
- 40:51But we'll talk more about that book, because I feel like we're doing a disservice if we don't dive in to the book a little bit and help people leave that legacy that they need to
- 41:04leave.
- 41:05So thanks again, Christopher.
- 41:07to come back anytime.
- 41:08Thank you for having me.
- 41:09This has been great.
- 41:09I really enjoyed it.
- 41:12We have, uh we asked one last question because I don't like to leave any stone unturned.
- 41:17ah Are there any parting words of wisdom that maybe I didn't ask you the question that you wanted me to ask you or you just had this on your mind the whole time we were doing this
- 41:26interview that you want to share with the audience?
- 41:31Yeah.
- 41:34This is going to go for our entrepreneurs out there who you're going to come through seasons of struggle, right?
- 41:40ah It's going to happen.
- 41:43And the best way you could sum it up, I learned it in sales and there's biblical principle behind it too.
- 41:49It's not how you act when you are selling, it's how you act when you're not selling, it's going to make your success.
- 41:54That's the true definition of gratitude, right?
- 41:58Are you to be praising God when there's a fam in the same way that there was when there was a feast?
- 42:02And God's going to put you through those seasons to test your relationship and your resolve.
- 42:08So just know when those are happening, those are also from God and their blessings from God.
- 42:13Cause he's teaching you a lesson that is going to prepare you for the next level.
- 42:19And just recognize the lesson.
- 42:21Thank God for whatever it is and get ready for whatever blessing he's going to have come next.
- 42:25Because you don't get to that next level.
- 42:28You've seen it in business.
- 42:29You can probably tell us a hundred stories about it yourself in your career.
- 42:32You have to go through that struggle to prepare you for the next elevation in your business.
- 42:38Yep, yep, you have to be uncomfortable.
- 42:41You have to be willing to be uncomfortable.
- 42:42I say it over and over and over again.
- 42:44If you're not willing to be uncomfortable, just don't do this thing because you're not gonna like it.
- 42:49ah
- 42:54sounds.
- 42:54Name of the game.
- 42:55That's the of the game.
- 42:56ah I want to say this there are there are times in certain interviews where I will tell the audience You need to go back and rewind that's probably going to be a real but if
- 43:06you're watching this whole episode ah Go back and rewind what he just said and listen to it again ah That is how important that is what he just said uh I Only when it when it like
- 43:19you've said a lot of amazing things But there are certain things that I just want people to really resonate with
- 43:26And uh I really want them to take what you just said to heart because it's so so powerful.
- 43:31So Again, thank you, Chris
- 43:35Thank you.
- 43:35I can't wait to come back on.
- 43:37All right, uh until next time, Archdoers, keep moving forward.