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Robin Monotti on using music to win - Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: H h.
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  Speaker 2: It's been I want to say, about two years. So
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  Speaker 2: when you and our lost chatted Robin, I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a child. I now have a child. He's a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: little boy, and he's unvaccinated.
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  Speaker 1: Well I would expect that, and that's that's in a way,
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  Speaker 1: in a way, the fact that we've gone through all
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  Speaker 1: this awakening. Now, I wouldn't have done it to my
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  Speaker 1: children if I knew all this. But obviously at the
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  Speaker 1: time a lot of us still trusted the narrative, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to some extent.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, with that in mind, knowing what you
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  Speaker 2: know now, would you go back to twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in some funny ways, I think now, maybe more
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  Speaker 1: than any other time, I think it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a deja vous because I'm feeling again that we
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  Speaker 1: are living in a situation where some of us have
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  Speaker 1: a sense of another impending restriction which is leaked to
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  Speaker 1: you know, the digital grid. But there's a feeling that
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  Speaker 1: a whole chunk of society, possibly the majority, probably the
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  Speaker 1: majority instead is again just trusting whatever is given to them.
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  Speaker 1: And so I feel in a way it's a good
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  Speaker 1: time to talk again also because I feel again we're
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  Speaker 1: in the same shoes, and I have got the same thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: which is, how do you how do you talk to
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  Speaker 1: these those people and not let them see you as
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  Speaker 1: some kind of paranoid conspiracy theory when you say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: be careful, when you just do whatever you're told to do.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of you know, your digital identity in relation
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  Speaker 1: to the government, when they say things like you've got
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  Speaker 1: to do this thing online, you've got to do a selfie,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to get your biometric link to your you
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  Speaker 1: know whatever it is that they want to your email, and.
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  Speaker 3: Again it seems a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Difficult to just say, well, look, I've got a passport,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a driving license, I can walk in to
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  Speaker 1: an office like an account or whatever. Say that's all
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  Speaker 1: you should need. And when they say no, no, no, this
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  Speaker 1: has to go through the digital route. When you say
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, we shouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to we shouldn't need to do that, you looked at
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  Speaker 1: as if you're crazy, again, because you're the only person
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  Speaker 1: probably that has said, look, I'm not I think it
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  Speaker 1: should be enough for me to show up with a passport.
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  Speaker 1: So it's similar in that respect, which is like, so
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  Speaker 1: Why are you kicking up this big fast?
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  Speaker 3: Why you?
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  Speaker 1: And again it's like, how do you say it is
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  Speaker 1: some people that you know, potentially we are all in
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  Speaker 1: danger if this goes through very quickly, because then they
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  Speaker 1: can do a twenty nineteen in a much more you know,
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  Speaker 1: in a much more ruthless way where you get cut
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  Speaker 1: out of your bank account instantly. As soon as you say, well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I've got doubts about the face mask.
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  Speaker 2: You know, your concern is precisely the same as my concern.
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  Speaker 2: I have noticed what looks like the opposite of a reawakening.
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  Speaker 2: What would that be going back into a slum? But
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  Speaker 2: so many it's weird, and I don't understand how people
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  Speaker 2: can just do that. I mean, have they forgotten what
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  Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty? It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think they have.
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  Speaker 3: I think they have replaced it.
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  Speaker 1: They have replaced it in their minds, or they have
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  Speaker 1: the sort of the big pandemic narrative. It happened, it
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  Speaker 1: happens every one hundred years. It was nineteen eighteen. Now
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  Speaker 1: it was our turn.
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  Speaker 3: It's a history.
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  Speaker 1: There was a black death, and so it just sort
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  Speaker 1: of it's put in a memory hole in a box,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's like everything is back to the same.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you say, well what about what about
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  Speaker 1: nine to eleven?
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  Speaker 3: What about you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's still like everything. I think maybe it's like must
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  Speaker 1: be sort of human psychology. You just want to go
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  Speaker 1: down your own path, think that all these things happen
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  Speaker 1: to other people, it's got nothing to do with you.
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  Speaker 1: But now we are again at a time where it
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  Speaker 1: is to do with all of us, and so in
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  Speaker 1: respects again, I feel like it's not really about being
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  Speaker 1: afraid of you know, the sort of palenteer Peter thal,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Gates. I mean, those they're very few. Those people
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  Speaker 1: are very few. The problem is everyone else who goes
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  Speaker 1: along with whatever, you know, Larry Ellison or Larry Thing.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is everyone who goes along with it. That's
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  Speaker 1: our real problem, and that can happen under governments of
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  Speaker 1: any color or you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's really about the people.
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  Speaker 1: So once again I find that if we're able to
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  Speaker 1: break the cultural barriers on this, if we're able to
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  Speaker 1: ask questions, to say, hold on a minute, what happened
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  Speaker 1: to the old sort of identify myself by having like
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  Speaker 1: just walking in an office with a passport and someone
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  Speaker 1: saying yes, I can looking at it saying yes, it's you.
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  Speaker 1: The passport looks authentic, and that's it. What happened to that?
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  Speaker 1: Why do we have to do it in a different way,
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  Speaker 1: and why are we not allowed? And how do we
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  Speaker 1: get this through? How do we make it seem that
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  Speaker 1: it actually it's a little bit crazy that you can't
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  Speaker 1: do that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You can't just say it's.
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  Speaker 1: Me here, I am and this is my document and
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  Speaker 1: that's enough. Why can't you know, how can we communicate that?
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  Speaker 1: It's not a normal situation where a government tells you
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  Speaker 1: that's not good enough anymore. It's been good enough since
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  Speaker 1: the invention of documents, and now something it isn't.
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  Speaker 2: And it gets worse when you're on the internet. When
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  Speaker 2: you go to a website it asks you are you human?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well but that is actually a you're actually training AI.
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  Speaker 3: Did you know that when you do that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to you have to find you have
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  Speaker 2: to find like the fire hydrant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's basically telling AI this is like what
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  Speaker 1: you know, what fire are hydrants? Or what motorcycles? So
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  Speaker 1: you're training them for free.
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  Speaker 3: So that's just.
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  Speaker 1: Another scam that are you human? You're basically training them
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  Speaker 1: to recognize things.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it was I think it was Mattias
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  Speaker 2: Desmet who back in twenty twenty one he brought out
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  Speaker 2: or twenty twenty two when he brought out his book
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  Speaker 2: about totalitarianism, and he said that approximately thirty percent of
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  Speaker 2: people at any given stage or time will be awake,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak, which is precisely what you said. You
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  Speaker 2: said the majority, and basically it will always be around
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  Speaker 2: three people out of ten who will kind of see
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  Speaker 2: through all this nonsense. And I've always wondered why that is,
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  Speaker 2: And I know you don't know the answer. It's more
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  Speaker 2: of a rhetorical question, but it is a very fascinating
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  Speaker 2: psychological observation. Why is it always the minority? And why
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  Speaker 2: is it you? And why is it me? How how
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  Speaker 2: are we able to see it so many people who
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  Speaker 2: we know didn't see it and still don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's that's in a way that ash
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  Speaker 1: conformity experiments where five people are put in a room,
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  Speaker 1: they're shown a set of lines. One is obviously longer
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  Speaker 1: than the others, and they say which one line is
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  Speaker 1: sort of longer, which one is shorter? And then you
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  Speaker 1: know you have a specific answer in your mind, and
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  Speaker 1: then the three people before you say a different one,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you say something, then the fourth one says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they all say the wrong answer. At some stage after
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  Speaker 1: I think, is it three questions? You just start to
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  Speaker 1: go along with what they say, So I think it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably if if we were to rephrase
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  Speaker 1: it is if it is three out of ten. I
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  Speaker 1: think with this digitality, it's it's a slightly different situation.
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  Speaker 1: But I think if if it was three out of ten,
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  Speaker 1: it's just that three people actually want to think through
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  Speaker 1: it and seven just want to go along with with
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  Speaker 1: not having any problems on a society level, because they're
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  Speaker 1: just sort of, you know, they're cruising through their life
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  Speaker 1: socially and they don't want to wrap rustle anyone's feathers.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it would be it would probably be
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  Speaker 1: the only thing you want to think using their own head,
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  Speaker 1: and the other ones just want to go along. But
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  Speaker 1: I think this is slightly more insidious because if you
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  Speaker 1: were to ask anyone do you like digitally, probably most
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  Speaker 1: people say no. But then if you say would you rather,
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  Speaker 1: would you go through the repercussions of not doing it
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  Speaker 1: if you were you know, if you were told that
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  Speaker 1: you need to do it to hear in the UK
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  Speaker 1: is like to be a company director, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: would you be ready to see what happens, you know,
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  Speaker 1: possibly even getting issues with your work or you know,
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  Speaker 1: things like that.
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  Speaker 3: People would say no, no, I'll do it because it's no
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  Speaker 3: big deal.
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  Speaker 1: So's it's a sense that theoretically speaking, everyone is against,
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  Speaker 1: but in practice everyone thinks it's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: They just want to go ahead with it.
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  Speaker 1: And just linking the theory and practice here is it's
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  Speaker 1: probably those three out of ten, and maybe it's even
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  Speaker 1: less who are linking the two who are saying okay.
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  Speaker 3: So on one level, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: On another level, I'm doing it all the time. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing it for every single purchase, for every single government.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, one thing is like, look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: care about my relationship with an online shopper. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can just you know, change it tomorrow. But the
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  Speaker 1: other thing is that relationship with the government. You can't
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  Speaker 1: really change it tomorrow. So once you're in, you're in.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just the government, Robin, it's also the
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  Speaker 2: private sector. I mean this is what a public private
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  Speaker 2: partnership is. They work together and that makes it really
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  Speaker 2: really difficult for us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That's the other That's the other.
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  Speaker 1: Approach, which is more the American approach now with Apple
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  Speaker 1: doing the Apple Digital d so you can fly just
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  Speaker 1: with your Apple phone throughout the or the use. So
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  Speaker 1: that's it's coming in. It's again these kind of slightly
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  Speaker 1: different approaches, but in one sense with the corporate one
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  Speaker 1: again it sort of gets people subtly to get in.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe I feel like you could you could oppose.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when it was with the twenty nineteen. You
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  Speaker 1: can decide not to go to that establishment where they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be really really strict about the regulations. But
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  Speaker 1: I think with the government it's slightly trickier because you
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  Speaker 1: do have to.
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  Speaker 3: Work with them.
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  Speaker 1: If you are living in any country in some form
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  Speaker 1: or the other at some stage in your life anyway,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you're run running a business. I'm not willing
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  Speaker 1: to leave the whole cultural field to the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the machine. I'm not willing to do that. And although
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to step away.
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  Speaker 3: From the club because they're all kind of clubs and.
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  Speaker 1: Say, look, you know you don't want to have any
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't want to have anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with me because I oppose, you know, lockdowns, opposed vaccines,
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  Speaker 1: I oppose the man made climate catastrophe narrative, and those
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  Speaker 1: are all big no nos. So I know you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with me. But I
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  Speaker 1: still want to participate in the cultural field on my
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  Speaker 1: own terms and the terms of people that I feel
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  Speaker 1: are more on the right track. So it is a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a battle, but I think it is you
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  Speaker 1: know that My point is that this is an important
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  Speaker 1: battle because that is potentially the area that swings things.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's done it before. Underground culture has done
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  Speaker 1: it before. Initially it's a few people that at that time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if at that time they're seen as a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous minority, an under dangerous underground.
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  Speaker 3: Culture, and usually it used to be youth.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's sort of youth not necessarily that were represented
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  Speaker 1: in the in the Awakening back. It's done it before.
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  Speaker 1: So the group starts to produce things which are then
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  Speaker 1: they then seem cool because they're against the grain, they're
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  Speaker 1: against the sort of the average mediocre production of that time,
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  Speaker 1: and they're quite cool and that kind of coolness becomes attractive,
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  Speaker 1: it becomes exciting, and then suddenly the whole masses want
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  Speaker 1: to be that and they start dressing like them, they
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  Speaker 1: start listening.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think this.
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  Speaker 1: Has happened yet on our side, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we should underestimate that that is potentially like one of
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  Speaker 1: the strongest areas to to use if we can to
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  Speaker 1: our advantage at least to claw back some territory.
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  Speaker 3: And you know the reason. The reason is.
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  Speaker 1: Probably quite basic, which is that again the ash experiments conformity.
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  Speaker 1: At least in the UK, everyone in Dads is glued
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  Speaker 1: to like the Guardian. That's the only thing they read.
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  Speaker 1: Everything else is sort of the enemy's news, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like X is like you know X. You don't even
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  Speaker 1: talk about X. It's like just and you know, telegram.
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  Speaker 1: Telegram is some weirds, you know, Russian paddle door of
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists and exes like Elon Musk who's now now
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  Speaker 1: the demon because he helped Tramp. So you just go
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  Speaker 1: to this Guardian world or Instagram where everything is kind
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  Speaker 1: of phased out and then you see what's what what
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  Speaker 1: do other people say?
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  Speaker 3: And you just go along with it.
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  Speaker 1: To the point that actually I went I was at
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  Speaker 1: I went with to lunch with Eric on on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: I think last week, and and I think went into
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  Speaker 1: a very nice restaurant. But you know, he was I
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  Speaker 1: think he noticed that when he came in, even before me,
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  Speaker 1: and then I noticed I'm not sure they were that
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  Speaker 1: happy that we were there they knew who he was.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they knew.
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  Speaker 1: Who I was, but I got the sense that you
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  Speaker 1: kind of have a sense where the other times people
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  Speaker 1: look very.
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  Speaker 3: Excited that you know, Eric will walk in, but I almost.
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  Speaker 1: Had a sense and it was a very cool place
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  Speaker 1: young so I almost got the sense they meant maybe
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  Speaker 1: still on the on the program, which is that for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, someone who spoke about his the deterioration of
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  Speaker 1: his condition, his physical condition after the the astrogenica in
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  Speaker 1: check vaccine, who talked about it publicly to me.
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  Speaker 3: On on on paper, on.
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  Speaker 1: Camera, is somehow condemned by that kind of media, that
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  Speaker 1: kind of world at that time. And then obviously they
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  Speaker 1: have not thought it through. They just think, Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: are associated to this and that, And I think there's
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  Speaker 1: there's still a lot of that going on, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like but Hold on a minute, but have you
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  Speaker 1: thought through you're thinking that someone who's talking about their
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  Speaker 1: own experience ex medical experience is somehow not is somehow
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  Speaker 1: a bad person.
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  Speaker 4: It's like.
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  Speaker 1: Because again the group think, the group thing is still
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  Speaker 1: is still quite strong. But as you said, I think
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  Speaker 1: people don't want to don't really want to go there.
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  Speaker 1: Like before, at the time, you felt people were fighting you.
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  Speaker 1: They were like, you know, you said something, they would
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  Speaker 1: just jump at you at the moment. If we say
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  Speaker 1: anything about that, it's just going to be total silence.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Fine, have you noticed what's funny?
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  Speaker 2: In two everybody spoke about getting jabbed, and they were
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  Speaker 2: very open about being vaccinated. Now, if you ask anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with the COVID jab it's like, it's my
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  Speaker 2: right to say nothing. Who are you to ask me
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  Speaker 2: questions like that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had also stopped, but now there's been
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  Speaker 3: you know, the I think the.
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  Speaker 1: Worth of Craig. I think she's doing a court case,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps because of the UK Health Agency not releasing the
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  Speaker 1: data that would indicate whether there is some kind of
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  Speaker 1: correlation between the time of injection of the COVID injections
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  Speaker 1: and excess deaths. They used to publish this data, and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly they stopped. And now this data would be
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  Speaker 1: quite important to show whether there is a correlation whether
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  Speaker 1: after people get injected there's more deaths. After people got
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  Speaker 1: injected actually say that they were more deaths, and so
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  Speaker 1: now they have pressed the government for that and they said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're not releasing this data because it could upset people
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  Speaker 1: if they were to sort of see some potential link
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  Speaker 1: between the two that you know, it's like it's against
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  Speaker 1: the interest of the public, because the public, so it
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  Speaker 1: could destabilize the public.
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  Speaker 3: That's your thing.
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  Speaker 1: Answer, But that's been published on the Daily Telegraph. Now
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  Speaker 1: none of the artists are going to go and look
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  Speaker 1: at that because it's not on the Guardian. None of
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  Speaker 1: the sort of creative to look at that. But still
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  Speaker 1: I'm sharing that. I'm sharing it again. And if I
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  Speaker 1: share something like that a few years ago, I would
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  Speaker 1: get like hounded by all.
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  Speaker 3: Of these comments and all of these things.
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  Speaker 1: And now there's just complete total silence from the other side.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, so it's either removed for psychological reasons
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  Speaker 1: or again it's not the sense there on the weak side,
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  Speaker 1: So they're just not not going to show up because
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of they could what they say could be
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  Speaker 1: interpreted as they become conspiracy theorists.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know if you've seen it yet,
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  Speaker 3: but there's a good take on this.
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  Speaker 1: Whether it's I think it may be conscious in the film,
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  Speaker 1: the latest film by Lanti Moscowed Bougonia. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's not sure if it's out yet, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's what it's worth a watch because at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: you I didn't know what was going to happen. I'm
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: not going to say the plot, but the main character
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  Speaker 1: Emma Stone, she's the head of a kind of big
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  Speaker 1: farmer company. And then you've got two people who are
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: like conspiracy theorists, and they are the exact stereotype of
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists living in his man's basement and.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Aut I'm having a quickly carry on b U g
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: U N I A.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And so you've got these conspiracy theorists and they are
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the exact sort of kind of archetype of the of
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the sort of dispreduative view of conspiracy theorists that are
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: not doing anything with their lives that totally removed from rationality,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you know, So you stick through all of that, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and I had asked sort of people who had seen it,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: like people who are probably not awake about what it's on,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and they said, oh, it's just really mad, it's really crazy.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And then I watched it and it's a little bit
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: painful when you see these stereotypes. But then there's a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: twist at the end, which I'm not going to say,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but the twist at the end in a way makes
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you wonder whether that was all intentional to take people
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to this place of comfort of their views and then
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: just to turn.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: It upside down at their end.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So a normal person will say it is just a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: mad film, but someone who's been living through twenty nineteen
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to now says, well, that's a very clever way of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: planting that message at a subconscious level in the majority
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of the population, because this is going to be a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: very very popular film, and that is like, in a way,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you want to do it with what people realizing what
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think they succeeded that. Now I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: suspect the very clever and it's intentional, But sometimes if
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they even happen at other levels that people start to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: show messages because they're channeling something bigger. They may not
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: even be aware, but I think they're clever enough to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: have had.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: This is true.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: This is a very very good observation that you made,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: because it's exactly the same observation that I made about
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: an Apple movie. So I have been wondering, Robin, if
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: there are people like us quote unquote in Hollywood who
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: are too afraid to speak out because of what the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: way Hollywood is, and the only way they can do
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it is why as you say, planting seeds.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And especially if it can challenge Yeah, this is I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: mean in a way, this is what especially in the seventies,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: which was a time of similar time to the high inflation,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: basically you know, the valuing of currencies. There was also
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know, friends of mine reminded me in Italy that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: there was a lockdown. People don't remember it, but there
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: was a national lockdown to save petrol, to save gas
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because of the oil gas crisis. So people were told
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: by the government you shouldn't be driving. So we already
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: had lockdowns in that respect. Again we forgot. But you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you had films like Soil and Green, You had a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: lot of sort of sci fis which were really kind
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of scratching the surface of what was really happening, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that was you know, a lot of them were American,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: some of them are sort of Hollywood related. So there
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is a history of trying to get this through to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the masses in.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: This kind of way. And I think in a way that's.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Where you succeed through film and music that go that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it's not only watched by that three out of ten,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: but it ends up being watched by those seven out
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of ten, and that's where the ideas are formed and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: created that can actually swing this. And I think in
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a way when I say this, I mean, I know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you're sort of quite artistically minded as well, But when
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I say to people who are not, I can get
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: different responses. One of them may be just sort of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: total black. They don't really see how this has anything
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to do with anything. This is just sort of in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a way kind of decoration and the real issue instead
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is like political and this has got nothing to do
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: with anything. And then the other one is there's a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: sort of slight tap on the back, like well done
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: for doing that, but there's no support or understanding. Now
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I've been you know, as I've worked sort of in
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the arts all my life. I've seen instead what happens
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: when you do something which reinforces the other view, which
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: at this you know, at some stage people called the left.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Now we know it's not the left, but you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: let's let's let's say it was. When anyone does anything
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: which is slightly, even slightly political, on that side, you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: get so much support. You get people really, everyone really
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: supporting you, everyone helping you out, and whatever you produce
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: is gonna be amplified like a million times because it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: got a slight political edge. But on our side of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the fence, you don't get anything. And I think that's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest weakness on our side. Wouldn't call
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it right or left. I would call it awake and asleep,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of the the sleep that thinks think
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: they are awake because they support the alleged fate left.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Whatever they do gets helped by all their peers, all
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the industry, all the public figures, all the influencers and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: all that because they feel they're sharing some kind of
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: political angle.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: We share a political angle.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You and I do something a cartoon, a song, a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: field or something like that, and you just get a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: mild yeah, well done.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: That's not gonna that's not gonna be enough to and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: unstart what they're doing. That's what, that's what. That's kind
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of what my point is. So if we are not,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: if it's not making a difference, partially it's to do
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: because we're not supporting each other, and all we're supporting
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is one form of cultural production which is important, which
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: is the podcast and the podcast of I don't know
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Canda Owans or Joe Rogan or attack of Council. But
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the other side, the non awake, are never gonna watch
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: any of that. They're gonna see Canders Sownans, they're gonna
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: switch it off. They're gonna see Joe Rogan. They're gonna
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: think it's a devil. They can see Atacker Calis and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna think no way. So it's not going to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: cross the boundary. It's going to do a lot for
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: our side, for people who aren't decided, but it's not
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: going to be so broad. And when we do things
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that potentially could be broad, we don't get any support
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: from our from our own side, which I think is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a biggest weakness and partially maybe related to this very
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: analytical mind, because at some stage we figured out intuitively
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that we've been taken for a ride, you know, in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen nine, eleven, twenty, nineteen, twenty twenty. But then what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: really confirmed this was the analytical mind that started looking, Okay,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: what happened in history? What happened at that building? What
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: happened we do fake? How big are if viruses? If
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: viruses are are what is transmitted? How big are they?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: What help? What's the whole? What's the gap in a mask?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: How is this replication?
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: What is the sort of what is it called the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: sort of the death rate of flu? What is the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: death rate of the hold on a minute, there's not
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a huge difference. What age do people that? Oh they
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: die when they're one or two years higher than the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: average death rate in that part. So you start to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: figure out analytically. And the problem is that that analytical mind,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what we've seen is whenever you present it to someone
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: who isn't emotionally ready, it's just going to be blank.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So we only convinced ourselves ultimately, and the other mind
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: is the other mind can do more. So on one level,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying to myself is like, if I don't know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have to be living like this for
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the rest of my life, in this state of constant
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of objection to increasing tyranny, or if
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: at some stage it's going to be so bad I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: won't be able to speak. But for as long as
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I can speak, I'd like to do it with a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: slight with a slight smile on my face, maybe even
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: if it's dark humor, to enjoy it to some extent,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: because otherwise you're going to end up getting diseases. If
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you're always stressed up, get disease. And part of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: enjoyment is to make it a little bit creative and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: not to be that face which says, it's all guys,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it's happening. The moment that I've been talking to you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: about is happening now, and we have to resist the fact.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: We all know that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But how do you have a good life, enjoy your life,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: but at the same time create as many problems as
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you can for the a side with a smile on
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: your face. That's what That's how I would like to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You've just created my segue. So you speaking of creativity
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and entertainment and with a smile on your face, you
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: sent me two videos which I'm very happy to play.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty certain that they're not going to get flagged
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: for any copyright issues.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Tell me more about the two videos.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Will challenge them, Will challenge them if they do that,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: because you know, you know, with the sort of all
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: these algorithms, you.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Never know what they do.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: We've got I started working with Thomas Atlas, who's a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: singer songwriter who he also played Sounds Beautiful festival in
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the UK this summer, and he contacted me. I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: he had seen the work I have done as a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: lyricist with Eric Clapton, and he's a big Clapton fan,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you know, all of his work, and so he contented
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: me because he had an idea about doing something which
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: was to do about people being fooled. And I just
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: sort of started working on it and working on the lyrics,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, I kind of listened to the rift,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to a little bit of the tune and we started
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: working something that could go with it, and then he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: would sort of adapt it a little bit for the song.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And then in the end the song has is out
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: nice called Fooling Me, and yeah, it's about I guess
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit with a smile on the face
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about this experience of having all of these things that
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they keep on throwing at.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Us and.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Then having a sense that actually, it's like, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you got to be joking. It's like you see the Olympics.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you got to be joking. You see that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: what they're saying about climate and then they're saying, oh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to sort of spend all of our budget
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in making weapons out.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Of like you know, explosives and steal. But then you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: meant to be driving it back. You've got to be joke.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: So all the contradictions.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And and and I'm putting it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: In a song.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Which can potentially jump a little bit across to the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: other side because it's done in a good spirit. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: think it's got a good energy, good music, and it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not over it's not it's not done in an alarming way,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, it can be done in an alarming
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: way with like sort of death metal kind of really
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: right out there, you know. And I'm not saying that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that's not a good form of music people who like it,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: but it's not it's going to just scare people who
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: are not not ready. Whereas if you do it with
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a bit of a sort of you know, in this case,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: there's a bit of a guitar riff. It's bluesy, it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit sort of funk, and it can be
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it can be more fun for other people to sit
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: through and then to ask the question, Well, maybe maybe
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: we are being fools in some ways.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you can chat to me about the second one
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: after this. Let me see if I can get this
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to play.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Was it not cause for a long boxing ring.
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: Man warm.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Live on the global TV screen? Was it revery?
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: Maybe did you hear these days.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Heart attacks are on the ride? Doctor b said? Can
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: it be? No one knows?
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Do tell me?
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: Was in warmid lie baby.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: Curd serious, you can't be.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Gott to be messy. Gotta befo me.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Told to Sweemer was bine, if we don't cut the
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: car when it comes to their time, they keep sell
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: them all. Hold on for a second.
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: Got big d serious, You can't be you gotta be massive.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: Gotta be kid serious, You can't be.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Gotta be massive. Lose his world food the sky.
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: Rocket made themselves all nothing left in that bucket. The
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: whole system soul so rotten, your SIPs, the Cossacks are
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: com we must.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Fight them the music. When the kids are corn home,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: they're the first runaway the palace he left at the
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: end of the day. Gotta be.
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: Serious, you gotta be messing, gotta be fo.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I love that ending. I love that ending. I love
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that sort of double time at the end. So what
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: was your involvement with that song?
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Did you write it?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: With this one?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I wrote the lyrics, Thomas came up with the idea,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and Sam the guitarist came up with the riff. The
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: rest of the band did a good job musically outstanding.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think they had They had the music,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: they had the concept and the music, and I put
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the words into fit with that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It's so good Robin, And yeah, I think if where
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: was it filmed? Where film in the library?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's filmed in a small record shot, well the size
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you can see in a record shop in Birmingham, record
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: shop with vinyl, with vinyl all around, like you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: quite a historical record shop in Birmingham. Now, if if
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a song of equivalent I guess activity, you know, lyrics,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: quality or something like that had been done. Let's say
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for the other side, whether if it was maybe making
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: fun of I don't know, making fun of conspiracy theorists
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or I don't.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Know, whatever, the you know, what they really like.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say like anti Trump, because that's almost
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: too obvious. But if it was done something like this
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: would be would really be known by everyone. Already it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: doing well. You know, people are watching it from all
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: parts of the world. We weren't really sure whether it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: would raise like objections to it because of the lyrics,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: but I think because it's not, because it's not aggressive
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in the way it's done. In the lyrics too, it
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: kind of points at things, but it doesn't sort of
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: start to sort of condemn in such a direct way.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: In that way.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I think most people who have seen it who are
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: not political haven't really I think only apparently only one
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: person I said, oh it's a bit too political for me,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but one out of sort of thousands. I think most
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: people are accepting it and seeing the fun and even
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: publications which have music publications that have covered it have said,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's quite it's quite witty and things like that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They haven't said, oh, it's like a conspiracy theories or.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Something like that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So I think it's working. This fine line quite well
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of being sort of against the system, but not being
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: confrontational in such a way that people get alienated. Or
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: maybe the music is so good that people can't just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: react in such a sort of fearful way because they
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: are warmed up by the musical aspect of it. But again,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I think something like this, if it was for the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: sort of a sleep side, then be sort of you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: they'd be really helping it through a lot more than
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I think our side would be doing or is doing well.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And I think now it's it's I think it's it's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: been listened to a lot of people across the board.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: It's not just the three out of ten we're listening
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: to this.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I think I think that it may
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: also be that that we need to get in in
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: an even even more below the radar way, like even
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: like do a song which is not political at all.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm now we're thinking with Thomas, sort of a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: kind of Christmas song.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: So to really get in.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Get in below the radar, do something which is not political,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: so you get these people warm up with you as
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just an artist and a lyricist working with a lyricist,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: do that you feel comfortable with that and then throw
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: once in a while something so not just do not
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: just do the sort of kind of against the system songs,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: but do a bit of a mix so that people
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable, but in occasion you throw some message there.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I think maybe this is what we're going to try next.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's also a very good strategy. A
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: lot of musicians do that. They will just just have normal,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: normal stuff and then here and there they'll they'll drop in,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: you know, a few seeds that will grow in the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: mind of the of the listener. And that's also a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: great strategy too, because not everybody likes in your face.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, and I think that's probably
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the next the next step to start doing things which
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: really people let their guard down because they're not political
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: at all and get sort of clow our way back
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: to the cultural sphere a little bit more like that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's probably what we're doing next.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I've got another song here from you called shackles on Me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So the shackles on Me is a song that was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Composed by Jimmy Vaughan, and.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: That was composed actually quite a while back in the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: early two thousands. Because with this thing about the ID
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and the sort of controlling everyone obviously has been around
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: for a while, and then they come back with another
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: wave a little bit like with the whole kind of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like influenza or COVID.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like every so many years.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: What was the other one that they had tried before
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: with the Tammy flu and that was it.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Was that the sort of the first at another attempt,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But anyways, it's like it's the same with all of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: this kind of ID issues.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That was another way.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So Jimmy Vaughner created this song in the US in
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a way to resist that and his lyrics he had
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: national idea and and I came across this song, and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I mean Jimmy is is plays with Eric when Eric
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: plays in the US, and I had listened to it,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and Eric had made me listen to another version of it,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and I said to Thomas, well, why don't have you
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: considered covering this song? Now we've got this digital t
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: We'll just change your word to digital ID. But it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the song is pretty much there. You can do your
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: own version. And he said, well that sounds quite a challenge,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: which I'd like to take on.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And so I then, so, well.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Let's let's just make sure he's happy with Jimmy Vaughan
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: is happy if we change digital IDs. So through Eric,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Eric asked Jimmy, and Jimmy said, that's that's why I did.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: That's why I wrote the song exactly for what you
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: want to use it for. So he was happy for
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to take it on, and so so Thomas using pretty
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: much Jimmy's song and just this change that I suggested
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: digital I d recorded his version, so updated it to
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the situation now that we're in.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: We're in now really.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: And again it's partially because I think a lot of
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: people don't realize that the potential gravity of the digital
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: ed situations.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: This is a way to that.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I tried, especially putting this on Instagram, to get people
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to think, oh, okay, maybe there is an issue.
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: No circle, don't those shadows, Army, don't no Shackos, don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: those shadows Armie. I said, that's a big brother.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Don't you treadle me?
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: How at the blues about Fred, got the blues about Seranny,
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: got the blues about my Freedom.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Got the blues about Syrhenny.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: I said, down with a big brother.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Don't lie. That is just a lot.
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: Don't want the chipping about it, chipping my car If
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: I want.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: To travel, it's nobody's business. How far.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Don't want these shackles, don't want these shallows on me.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: I said that will big brother. I said that will
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: big brother.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Don't lie that it is just a lotty, I.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Said, don will big brother? Then will big brother?
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: That will big brother, said rubber.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: Rubble.
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: It's all about liberty.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Jeez, Robin.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: That is next level professional His voice, the guitar, playing
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the tone of that fender, and the lyrics.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: It's just so well put together.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he, he said. He got that take about
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: four am in the morning, after having gone to the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: studio at four pm and just setting everything up by himself.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: And you know, this is what one one man and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: his voice and his guitar and and a composition can do.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: But you can hear, you can hear that level of professionalism.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It's so so good.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a great voice, and he's a great player.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And I see he's not he's not even playing with
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the plectrum. He's just using his fingers.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And in the next I think in the next one,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: if it comes together, he'd be playing all the instruments.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: He will play all the instruments. That's how you know
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you're a musician. You know the old joke though about
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a drummer, you know, you know, you know, the whole
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: thing about drummer is not being musicians. I can't remember
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the joke, but no, but I've ruined it now because
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I said that drummers are musicians. But there's there's apparently
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: this whole sort of thing within the music industry that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you have the band and then the guy that hangs
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: out with the band as the drummer.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Well, if you, if you, if you take some you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: like some songs I don't know, like.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know which ones.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: But let's say, if you take some cream songs with
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Ginger Baker and or even some songs that I don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: know that's some Derek and the Dominoes or Eric Nptain
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Derek and Domino's view it, you isolate the drums and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you just listen to the drums. It's amazing, you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to to listen to like a song just from a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: good drummer, just from the drums. It's an amazing because
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: because because we tune out of it. Usually we just
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: we just keep the keep the beat with the drama,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: but we really go melodic. We listened to the voice,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: We listened to the melodic guitar. The bass sort of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: moves a little bit, but we don't. We just sort
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of feel it, but don't really focus on it. But
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: when you end up focusing on it, it's incredible. What
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: what you know, the kind of thing that that a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: dramming energy can do.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: John Bonham was one of the greatest drummers.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think it's you know, it's
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that's the great thing about a band, you know, when
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: when it all comes together and you know, everyone is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: everyone is participating.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: And adding.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Robin.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Something that really upset me during the COVID era was
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: how few musicians actually took a stand.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the establishment learnt a lot from the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: war in Vietnam. They learned from the war itself that
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: if you're going to do fight a war, you want
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: people from another country to to die, not not your
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: own people. So they've learned that, you know, drafting people
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: up is is not is not popular measure. If you
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: can convince another nation to fight it for you, that's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a much better strategy. So whenever they think of a
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: war now they think, okay, who can we get to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: fight who? And not not sort of send our own
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: people because that's unpopular.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Not that they don't want to do that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: They'd rather kill them with with something else, not not
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: not at war. And then they also learned the potential
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: power of a young, young mind that's musical, musical, that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: can create this youthful musical.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Spirit with rebellious lyrics to it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: They learned that if that happens, it's almost unstoppable unless
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you actually kill them. And you know, if we know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: like the leaders of all of that, how many of
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: them ended up being killed in suspicious circumstances or dying
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: in relatively suspicious suspicious like y rare diseases.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Or like alleged binges.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Now we don't know if that the binge was the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: reason or not, but anyways, we know how many. And
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: so I think the establishment learns that you have to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: control you have to control the musical production, and so
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: in some ways you can't allow unvetted, young creative people
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: in and you can't let them have a platform that's natural.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So the algorithm is deciding now who listens to what
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and if the if the band is safe, the algorithm
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: with sort of lets them being heard, and if the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: band is not really no, not potentially said, you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: there has to be vetted that way. So I think
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the people who we heard had been ver you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: maybe they were rebels sixty years ago. But this rebellia
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: spirit is a youthful energy. Ultimately, it's a rebellion against
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the older generation. And the youth has been controlled now
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: through the mobile phone, through the smart from the social
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: media apps that they're using now, whether it's now whatever
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it is now Snapchat or whatever it is ticked off,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: but they're being sort of controlled through that, and so
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: they probably don't have this.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Unfiltered youth network.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: What they're seeing has already been filtered by the algorithm.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, the older generation they've got too much
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to lose. Also, you know, like in general, all these
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: rock stars, they have not been the most monogamous people
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: on the planet, and so they don't want whatever whatever
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: set up they have now emotional setup. Family said that
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: they don't want it to be torn about by whatever
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: revelation would come. The day after they opposed the vaccine.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: They'll be hold on a minute what's that photos, what's
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that affair there? What's that you know? What's is that child?
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Your child?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: You know, they've got all of these skeletons in their
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: closet from their private life that they know very well
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that the moment they actually said, so it's easier for
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: them to just go along with it, whereas someone who's
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty twenty one, they don't, you know, they don't
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: they haven't gotten married yet, they don't have this sense
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that they will upset like children and grandchildren by knowing
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: what they've done when they were a little bit younger.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: So it's much easier in a way to control people
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: who have already done a lot of bad things.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Than a youthful energy.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And the youth levenergy is being controlled by the algorithm
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and by whatever they're being shown and by the public perception,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: because in a way, the lead we've saw leadership in
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: people who were slightly older. We haven't seen much leadership
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: in that youthful generation that was during COVID. I think
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing now a younger generation, one that actually lived
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: through maybe the lockdown and at the time went along
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: with it because they were too young to do anything.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But now has a sense sod on a minute, that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Was all a load of rubbish. The world we live
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: in is full of a load of rubbish.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm aware of it, and I'm not never going
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: to be that person that's blinded to think everything is fine,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that we've just got people in authority that are trying
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: their best, and you know, so, I think there's a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: whole chunk of people who are coming out of the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: lockdown who maybe are not saying anything yet, but they're
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: not going to fall in this kind of stupor and
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: kind of sleepiness that we had or the whole Obama
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: period and beyond where we all where a lot of
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: people thought everything is fine, We've got great leaders and everything.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: And those people just like they just need a little
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: bit of a nudge, that's all.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those people needed a little bit of
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a nudge. They sort of areware things were not that great.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: They saw so the whole October seventh situation, and even
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: if they never said anything, they sort of could see
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that the official version did not correspond to the real events.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: The reaction did not did not justify, was not justified
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: by the alleged course of events, And so they know
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that all of that was manufactured as well, but they
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything in COVID. They're not going to jump
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: into that openly because they're still trying to create their
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: own but they know they know that that there's been
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: a constant series of situations that we're being led through,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and get some stage they'll be able to join us
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: because we need.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Them times against us. Okay, So for those who want
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to follow you, how can they?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm active and mainly well mainly a.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Couple of platforms.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: One of them is X and my handle is that
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Robin Monotti with two t's, and the other one is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Telegram and the handle of the channel is that Robin MG.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And then also I think a musical stuff come out
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: on Instagram and again handle is Robin Monati. That's that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: more musical, with an occasional peppering of other things, because
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I find that actually the other platforms like X are
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: not again they're not that artist friendly, like songs don't
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: go that far.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: So in some.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Ways I'm using the enemy's platforms, especially like when it
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: comes to music. But I think we in a way
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: we have to do that if we want to talk
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: to the other side.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: As well.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I know people that will never go on anything that
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: they may still look at the Instagram.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: So Robert and Natty, thank you for joining me in
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: The Strangers, thank you, thank.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: You for having me on. Good to see you. M