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Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Hollywood Divorces · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a
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  Speaker 2: real treat for you. I have an incredible interview with
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  Speaker 2: two of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives stars. This
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  Speaker 2: interview was done in 2024 before either of the girls
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  Speaker 2: had experienced even a 10th of the fame and fortune
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  Speaker 2: that they have since. And I thought it would be
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  Speaker 2: so interesting for you to go back and listen to
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  Speaker 2: this and realize how much has changed. It's also a
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  Speaker 2: really funny episode with Jen Affleck and Demi. So now
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I have two of the new stars of the hot
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  Speaker 2: new show on Hulu, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Both of you, gorgeous.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I tried to make my hair look
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  Speaker 2: like yours. They're both long locks, honeysuckle. We've got Jen
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  Speaker 2: Affleck and Demi. Tell me what your last name is.
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  Speaker 4: Angaman.
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  Speaker 2: Angaman. And I have watched four episodes, you guys. This
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  Speaker 2: airs on September 6th, Friday on Hulu. And they were
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  Speaker 2: nice enough to give me the screeners. And so I
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  Speaker 2: saw one and I'm like, oh, that's all they're going
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  Speaker 2: to give me. And then I watched four and I'm
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  Speaker 2: so excited for the Juicy Scoopers because I thought, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe they gave me this many episodes. Like, what
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  Speaker 2: are they thinking? Because it's so juicy. And then I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, God, they're going to piecemeal it. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, they really should give it to them, give
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  Speaker 2: us it all so we get hooked. And then if
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  Speaker 2: you come back, if they want to string us along
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  Speaker 2: once a week, I think that's the way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what they did.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: So I love that everyone can listen to this interview,
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  Speaker 2: get a little familiar, and then watch it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think it's really good. And I'm not just
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  Speaker 2: blowing steam up your blowout.
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  Speaker 5: Good, good, because that's— We haven't watched it, so whatever
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  Speaker 5: you've seen, we have not seen.
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  Speaker 2: We lived it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we definitely lived it, and it was definitely juicy,
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  Speaker 3: no question.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just start from the beginning of why
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  Speaker 2: some people might be already familiar with you guys, but
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to be, is you started this TikToking
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  Speaker 2: sensation where where all you guys who are young Mormon
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  Speaker 2: moms living in a close-knit area of Utah were influencers.
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  Speaker 2: Some of you were influencers on your own. And then
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  Speaker 2: who was it that first said, hey, do you guys
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  Speaker 2: want to come over for soda? Because you don't drink
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  Speaker 2: or do coffee, or at least you're not supposed to.
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  Speaker 2: And let's dance with our long locks. Like who thought
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  Speaker 2: to go, let's put the camera here. And let's all
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  Speaker 2: like go like, and also what's with this move?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see it. Oh, that was good.
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  Speaker 1: That was good.
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  Speaker 4: That was better than me. You're officially part of mom talk.
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  Speaker 2: Who thought of lifting up the body and popping the
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  Speaker 2: ass as you turn.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, baby. A wing. In the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Oh my gosh. We're going to do a TikTok
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  Speaker 4: after this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You're in. You're in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So who thought of that first move? And who's a
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  Speaker 2: real dancer and who's just someone that can do the moves?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think that anyone really thought of, like,
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  Speaker 5: TikTok for Charlie D'Amelio and Addison Rae, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. They kind of started doing that with
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  Speaker 2: the camera on the stand. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely Gen Z.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, uh-huh.
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  Speaker 4: But it was, like, yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: When I got on, I remember so many people being like,
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  Speaker 5: get the moms off of this app. Like, they do
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  Speaker 5: not deserve to be here. They should not be on here.
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  Speaker 5: You're so old.
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  Speaker 2: And, like, I mean, even to you, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: all the.
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  Speaker 3: Time, I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you're talking to Jenny from the lab.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. No, like they would say it to
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  Speaker 4: anyone over 18. I swear. No, they're like, you're old. Ooh,
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  Speaker 4: get off this app. So that was kind of how
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  Speaker 4: it started.
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  Speaker 5: And for me, I was like, when you tell me
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  Speaker 5: not to do something, I'm going to go so much harder.
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  Speaker 5: So I just went hard on it. And then it
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  Speaker 5: was Taylor who kind of started the group. She had
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  Speaker 5: an original group that she would like do little satire
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  Speaker 5: videos with. And then it became this whole thing where
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  Speaker 5: they would get together and We all were influencers already,
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  Speaker 5: independent of MomTalk, and doing it for, you know, work,
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  Speaker 5: you know?
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  Speaker 4: And also for fun. Yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning work that you guys got sponsors and you were
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  Speaker 2: making an income.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we had done influencing. I had done it for
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  Speaker 5: almost 10 years.
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  Speaker 4: At that time. And then I think, I mean, she's
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  Speaker 4: a lot younger than me, so you were pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Fresh for me.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are how old?
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  Speaker 2: I'm 25.
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  Speaker 4: And I just turned 30.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you both look like you're... Must be that good
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  Speaker 2: Mormon living.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's the spirit. It's the Holy Spirit right there.
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  Speaker 2: Look at Mitt Romney. I remember when he was ready
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  Speaker 2: for president, I was like, how does this guy look
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  Speaker 2: so young? Oh, that's right. They're Mormon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No drinking, no coffee.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: All of it. So the big scoop was, the big scandal,
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  Speaker 2: and I spoke about it here too, because when I
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  Speaker 2: saw all this news, I was like, oh, this girl
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  Speaker 2: does look familiar. These videos have come through my feed.
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  Speaker 2: And that was when your co-star, also part of the
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  Speaker 2: mom talk you talked about, Taylor, she chose to go
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  Speaker 2: on and just say, oh, by the way, I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: a divorce because my husband and I are soft swingers.
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  Speaker 2: And within our friend group, we would swing in the
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  Speaker 2: sense of make out and do stuff with people. Don't
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  Speaker 2: go all the way as long as the partner was
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  Speaker 2: in the room. So it almost felt like a spin
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  Speaker 2: the bottle thing. but more.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And so as I started to watch this a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, And they kind of explained that at the
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  Speaker 2: first couple episodes. I was like, okay, whose husband did
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  Speaker 2: she get with? And not until I understood later, no,
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  Speaker 2: whoever she swung with is not any part, is nobody's
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  Speaker 2: husband that we're currently seeing on the show, correct?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know more than me because you
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  Speaker 3: were actually like invited to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was at the parties.
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  Speaker 5: And if this is coming out tomorrow, I feel like
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  Speaker 5: we should leave a lot of this like, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to spoil anything.
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  Speaker 2: But some gets revealed.
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  Speaker 4: It all gets revealed.
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  Speaker 2: People will know.
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  Speaker 5: In two days who was involved and who wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: So when you were there, when you got invited to
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  Speaker 2: the parties... Did you realize that this was, was there
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  Speaker 2: a pineapple on the door? Was there a Luffy on
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  Speaker 2: the golf cart? Like, was there any sign?
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  Speaker 4: She was like, it was a flamingo?
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  Speaker 5: No, I walked by Taylor a few times in the
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  Speaker 5: grocery store, and I saw that upside-down pineapple in her cart.
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  Speaker 4: Shut up. No, I swear to you.
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  Speaker 3: No, you did not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: You liar.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, hi, Taylor. She's like, you don't have
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  Speaker 4: to do that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, you just have to have the pineapple
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  Speaker 2: in your cart. In the part where you'd keep a toddler.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, so it doesn't have to be upside down.
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  Speaker 2: No, you do it upside down if you take it
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  Speaker 2: up the butt. No, I'm making up that part, too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: The upside down part I don't think is anything. But
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  Speaker 2: that's why I heard that years ago from someone in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: Then now people think it's, you know, kind of funny,
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  Speaker 2: but pineapples are everywhere too, like clothing and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then it became the loofah thing in the Florida
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  Speaker 2: places where different loofahs meant different things that you were
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  Speaker 2: into of how far you would go, different colored loofahs.
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  Speaker 2: And they put those on the golf carts. They put those.
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  Speaker 4: Stop it.
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  Speaker 2: And on cruise ships. They put things outside of their
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  Speaker 2: cruise ship doors to be like, hey, if you're interested,
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  Speaker 2: we are too. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That is bizarre. So it's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a whole thing. But I think what you made
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  Speaker 2: this interesting is, you know, the other documentaries that we've
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  Speaker 2: seen throughout time on swingers, they're not attractive and young. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: there it's a hit or miss. Oh, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think I like to think that. I don't know, there
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  Speaker 2: was something sort of I think some people are trying
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  Speaker 2: to almost find it appealing, provided families don't break up
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  Speaker 2: because you guys all, you know, because you're Mormon, there
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  Speaker 2: is this. Influx of marrying younger than the average American.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're also attractive. And so it's like and
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  Speaker 2: you're all like fun and young. And God, if you
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  Speaker 2: could make out with other people and make the party
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  Speaker 2: a little more fun since you're not like doing anything
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  Speaker 2: drug wise crazy. Could that be sort of appealing? Like
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  Speaker 2: how long did it go before it blew up with
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  Speaker 2: the people? Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it didn't go well.
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  Speaker 5: And it didn't last very long I don't I personally
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  Speaker 5: stand behind the fact that like that is just a
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  Speaker 5: means to an end like.
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  Speaker 4: I agree I don't know anyone.
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  Speaker 5: And maybe I don't know enough people that participate it
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  Speaker 5: sounds like there's quite a few people that do I
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  Speaker 5: think the.
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  Speaker 2: Only time it really does work sadly is with Kind
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  Speaker 2: of older people that are maybe even on their second
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  Speaker 2: marriage and they're like, hey, we're both really sexual. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to be part of these groups. We have the rules.
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  Speaker 2: And even then it doesn't always work out. The one
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  Speaker 2: couple I knew and it was like a friend of
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  Speaker 2: was the rules broke. The two people got together. When
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't a foursome, come over for steaks and jacuzzi. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and then they started to do their own thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's usually what happens is that it's very hard to
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  Speaker 2: find exactly two people, four people. You really need four
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  Speaker 2: people exactly on the same page.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody likes each other more than the other. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why the swingers that last, it is.
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  Speaker 2: go on a vacation and never see the people again.
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  Speaker 2: Go to this party and never see the people again.
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  Speaker 2: Not you're going through drive-thru and you're like, hey, go
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  Speaker 2: have your casserole dish. I don't really like your husband's
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  Speaker 2: dick last night.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: Do you even pick up lines?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: That is ever going to last. Yes, no.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the, you know, being naive and young
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  Speaker 2: with your castmates and whoever those friends were, I think
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  Speaker 2: they thought that they could do that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I think it also is coming from just
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  Speaker 3: boredom and being, like, a combination of being married super
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  Speaker 3: young and then boredom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because, like.
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  Speaker 3: After being married for what, five to seven years, you
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  Speaker 3: get to that stage where you're like, okay, yes, you're like, okay, like,
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  Speaker 3: how do we keep this interesting? And like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some people, you know, you know, somehow. amp up their
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  Speaker 3: sex life others start swinging in Taylor's case and so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah no I definitely yeah especially in the Mormon culture
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  Speaker 5: getting married so young not sure who you are before
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  Speaker 5: you get married your brain's not even fully developed most
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  Speaker 5: of the time when you're making the most important decision
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  Speaker 5: of your life you're throwing kids into the mix you're
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  Speaker 5: becoming a mom and all of a sudden you like
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  Speaker 5: look at your life and you're like wait like I
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  Speaker 5: had an idea of how my life was supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be and like it all happened so fast. And so
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  Speaker 5: you just find yourself in that limbo and in those,
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  Speaker 5: but I will say a lot of it was brought
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  Speaker 5: on by the husband.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So both of you were raised in the church.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Both of your parents are still in it. Yes. And
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  Speaker 2: so did you, what was your relationship with watching reality
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  Speaker 2: TV grow up? Were you growing up? Were you fans
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  Speaker 2: of reality TV? Did you watch housewives? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: My mom is obsessed, like obsessed with keeping up with
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  Speaker 3: the Kardashians. In fact, when I told her, like all
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  Speaker 3: of this was happening with the show, she was like,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be a Kardashian.
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  Speaker 4: She's Hispanic.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, Kardashian, you're going to be Kardashian.
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  Speaker 2: So she wasn't worried.
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  Speaker 4: She manifested it.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't worried about it at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, she's all about this. My mom's an actual pioneer.
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  Speaker 3: She's a pioneer. Yeah, she's a pioneer.
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  Speaker 4: No, she is.
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  Speaker 2: What does a pioneer mean?
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  Speaker 4: I grew up watching Little House on the Prairie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not kidding. Like, you think I'm joking? It
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  Speaker 5: was The Carpenters and Little House on the Prairie.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: You're kidding.
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  Speaker 2: The Carpenters as singers, you mean? Oh, yeah. Like, one,
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  Speaker 2: two birds suddenly appear.
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Every time you are near. Well, you know what happened
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  Speaker 2: to her.
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  Speaker 4: I know. God bless.
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  Speaker 3: R.I.P.
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  Speaker 4: But she's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: She's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And I love that I grew up on the classics. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I will say I had a very... Bubble-wrapped, safe childhood.
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  Speaker 5: My mom was like, close your eyes. We'd go to
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  Speaker 5: the strip in Vegas, and she'd be like, everyone look forward.
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  Speaker 4: Don't look down. Don't look up.
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  Speaker 2: Why are you going to the strip in Vegas?
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  Speaker 4: Because my dad wasn't a member of the church, and
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  Speaker 4: he liked to gamble. Really?
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  Speaker 2: I did not know that. How many kids are in
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  Speaker 2: your family?
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  Speaker 4: Four in total.
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  Speaker 2: What number are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm two.
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  Speaker 2: Was that So was that hard for your mother to
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  Speaker 2: marry a non-Mormon?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. They got pregnant, actually, out of wedlock.
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  Speaker 5: And so, and they came from, like, my mom came from, like,
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  Speaker 5: a very strong Greek Orthodox family who converted to Mormonism. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: And Greeks are just intense.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: As I'm sure you've seen so far. But we're just intense.
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  Speaker 4: We're passionate.
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  Speaker 5: We, you know, feel things very deep. And so it was, like,
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  Speaker 5: from Greek Orthodox to... Mormonism, we're all in. And so
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  Speaker 5: she got married or she got pregnant out of wedlock.
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  Speaker 5: And her mom was like, you get married immediately.
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  Speaker 4: And so it was just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: Where it's like. Are your parents still together today?
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  Speaker 4: They are. Yeah. It's been rocky, but still together. I
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  Speaker 4: appreciate you saying that. Yeah, it was a rocky, rocky road.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, as you can imagine, just the being so
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  Speaker 5: in the church and then not at all. If you
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  Speaker 5: don't have like a even a similarity in like what
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: you believe.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: You mean with her husband? And he's never come around.
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  Speaker 4: No, he got baptized when I was 16.
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  Speaker 2: So now he is Mormon.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: But majority of my childhood, it was like, what is
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: going on? Like, it was such a stark contrast.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: And did your dad enjoy drinking or no? Yes.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: So he drank and smoked and did all the things.
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: And it was just the type of thing where he
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: would hide it from my mom or hide it from us.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: It was just toxic. You know, it was there was
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: no gray. My mom was like, this is right. This
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: is wrong.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: And so in my mind, it was always like my
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: dad's bad, my mom's good. And that's never healthy for
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: a kid to like grow up thinking.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: That about their parents, you know.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: So it definitely created some weird weirdness in my mind.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: So I grew up Catholic and I remember my mom
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: being like, oh, they're Mormon down the street. And the
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: girl did get pregnant. And I remember her sitting on
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: the lawn pregnant and I felt sort of sorry for her.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: And then we never knew, like, I think they maybe
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: gave the baby up for adoption or whatever. And so
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I never really understood what the difference was between Catholic, Christian, Protestant, Mormon.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: And then when I was in a mom's group, I
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: met this girl who was raised Catholic who married this
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Mormon guy. And he actually was a director of all
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: these TV shows. And I went to her house and
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: she was like, oh, would you want this bottle of champagne?
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And I go, oh, yeah, she she you know, they're Mormon.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: They don't drink. And I'm like, gosh, I go, who
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: would give you that? You know, and she's like, oh,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: every time my husband gets a job, his agent, his
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Hollywood agent gives him a bottle of champagne. I'm like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't he know that he's Mormon? And she's like, no.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And please don't tell anybody. Because we could be like
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: blackballed from Hollywood, from working.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, I believe it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: So he had to act like, you know, whatever, like
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: he wasn't. And that's when I was like, wait, is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: that really true that people can't be who they are
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood? And it is true to an extent, for sure.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Or just keep your mouth shut or just don't share
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: your actual feelings. And so I was like, oh. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: so I kept asking her, I'm like, what is the difference?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And So in the most simple way that I understand it,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and tell me if I'm wrong, and then we'll move
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: on to the juicy stuff, because I think so many
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: people don't really understand. We all hear about the garments
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and the being strict and you believe in Jesus. But
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: is it that you believe that Jesus? What is the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: difference that you believe that Jesus was not not in Jerusalem,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: but in Utah or just a prophet from Utah? got
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: sent these messages and created a religion from Jesus. Which
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we believe in the Jesus that you believe in.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: We are the Bible meets the Book of Mormon.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: We call it the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: So it fell off and then it came back through
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Joseph Smith and was restored through Joseph Smith.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: The prophet. So it's the same Jesus, the same God
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: that you're taught about in Catholic.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And people think that we're... We're trying to make the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Book of Mormon, like, replace the Bible. That's not the
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: case at all. It's just another testament of Jesus Christ.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So we love the Bible. And, yeah. Okay, good. Like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's, you know. And then we know that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: for many years polygamy has not been part of the church.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But it was 200 years ago it was. Kind of.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Or for some people.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for a short period of time during the time
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: of restoring.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: The gospel and bringing people back.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: From my understanding is it was with the intention of
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: trying to convert as many people as possible. And I mean,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know too much about like the details of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: like the history and whatnot. But yeah, I mean, we
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: believe that more women are probably going to go to
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: heaven than men just because there are more women. And so, yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it was the intention with trying to convert as many people.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And because like we value the temple so much and
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: going through the temple, It was the intention of trying
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to get as many women as we could to get
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: through the temple.
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  Speaker 2: it seems like there's a big question of, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how angry the church must be that you
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: guys are giggling and having fun, you know, whatever.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Letting loose.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe, whether they've told you this or not,
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  Speaker 2: but I think the Mormon church loves this. I think
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: they love it. I don't even think they're mad about
• 22:19
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  Speaker 2: whole thing is to let people know about the word
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and the youth goes off for two years, how better
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to get the word out than through influencers and reality
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: TV and showing fun, happy people that are still taking
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the elements from the church to live the best of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: their life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. I can't tell you how many people
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: who have gotten baptized after watching the Book of Mormon
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: story play. Like, I know countless of people and they
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: just converted because, or just out of curiosity. They're like, okay, wait,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: what is this religion all about?
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  Speaker 4: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And ended up reading the Book of Mormon and then
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: got baptized. So, yeah, I'm also seeing this as an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to, like, share more about our faith and also, like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I hope Everyone can see our friend group and anyone
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: who doesn't feel like they would be welcome. They can
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: see our friend group and think, oh.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Wait, oh, wait, they're crazy, too. Wait, I guess I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: can be crazy. Just like me. No, like literally.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Like they're really they're out here trying to figure out
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: their way. They're out here trying to figure out. their path,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: and they're stumbling and falling just like me. We're not
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: these butter churning, bonnet wearing.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Speaking of butter churning and influencers, how do you guys
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: feel about Ballerina Farms, who I've talked about.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: On the show?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with her.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: She's awesome.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So just to remind you guys, this is the girl
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that was a ballerina, fell in love with her husband.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: The husband comes from a lot of money. The dad
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: owns JetBlue. But now they have a farm and a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: very successful business together where they make food and food
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: that you can buy. And she's got nine million followers.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And there was a big backlash about her because she
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: did an interview and the author of the interview, the journalist,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: people believe that she wrote it to be that this
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: woman was trapped.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And then she came forward and said, no, I'm not,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you know, trapped. So I do feel like her videos
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: are very much like Little House on the Prairie, making
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the things from scratch.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: There's beauty in that. Oh, yes. Listen, I'm here for it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: And I think people will be so quick to find
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: the negative or find the hole that they can just
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: be like, well, I feel that way in some way.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: So they must feel that way, too. And at the
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: end of the day, like there's seasons of life. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: maybe this is her season of life. And then she
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: goes and finds something for herself that she loves even
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: more than this. Or maybe this is her thing that
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: she loves for herself.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think it's fair to say
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: that she's trapped. There's a lot of people.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: That enjoy being a mother, that enjoy being a homemaker
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: and a wife.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: That's okay.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: And I hope that we showcase that in our show
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: as well because- we got a couple homesteaders. We got
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: people who are just like, I'm headed into that era myself.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I've done this for 10 years. My goal
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: is to take opportunities that I can turn into passion
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: projects such as yourself and have that be something that
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I always do to have that creative outlet, but also
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: to be able to focus on my family.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I would love to homestead.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: I would love to have things that I create myself
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: at home and be a mom and a wife at home.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And so I think it's okay to want that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: And I think it's okay to have that season of
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: life as well. And then be like, Hey, now I
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: want to be a boss bitch. And like, just focus
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: on that. Like Jesse in our group, you know?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So you, Jesse's the one who has the hair business.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: And you can't have it all, all the time, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: that's why I like to say the seasons of life,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: like you ebbs and flows and you move through it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And I want to say as a woman, you, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: could have it most. Yeah. No one can have it all.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: No one can have it all. Yes.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So, So you are married to an Affleck.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So explain how he is related to Ben Affleck, your husband.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So he is my father-in-law's second cousin. So my husband's
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: dad's second cousin.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And, I mean, I haven't met him. ben affleck specifically
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: zach hasn't met him um but his dad has and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: it like was a long time ago at like a family.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Reunion so then somewhere somewhere down the line from these
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: grandparents that were siblings were really one became mormon because
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: ben's ben was not raised mormon he was born in
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: massachusetts boston.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I actually don't know for sure i don't think he
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: was but.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I don't know either but I would
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: guess just yeah Boston is probably you know an Irish
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Catholic thing but that's just a stereotype who knows yeah
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: but I'd.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Love to ask him yeah okay were you raised Mormon
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: do you.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Know who the Mormons are.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Okay so and then you met your husband where.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I met my husband through mutual okay yeah we come
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: from completely different families there's no way we would have
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: ever raised Yes. I was raised Mormon.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, OK. OK, great. Yes. And I thought it
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: was really interesting on the episode. You said that your
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: mom works at the same hospital as his dad, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: his dad's a heart surgeon and your mom is in janitorial.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: So she's literally a cleaning lady in the hospital, which
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: is so crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: That was before you met?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part, yeah. But we didn't even really, like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: put two and two together. Wow. Yeah, that's how different
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: our families are.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: But they get along well?
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I was raised with foster kids and, yeah, I shared
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: my bedroom with these children my whole life.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, your mom took in foster children. Yes, yes. Oh,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that's lovely.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: And Zach, you know, definitely was just– I was raised
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: poor and he was raised with a lot of money and, yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny. I feel like I relate to
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Ballerina Farm so much because in a way– I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she personally came from money, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: being marrying into a wealthy family when you don't come
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: from a lot of family and having the same religion
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: can cause like a lot of like issues and expectations.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And but I love seeing just ballerina farm and how
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: she like handles everything. And because I I feel like
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: she I don't.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Know, like.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm like going all over the place.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying. Well, I think what's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: really interesting is, you know, I think the reason that
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Mormons in America, there's so many that are successful and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: have successful businesses is because they do make them go
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: out and be rejected for two years straight.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: That's the hardest thing you can do.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's being the best salesman in the world
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: is that you don't let the rejection keep you going.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And I think you get that training there. as trying
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to recruit people to the church and how many people
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: must say no and get away and look at you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like a weirdo. And then, and then you do your
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: business and you have that same like tough skin. And
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: then also I think pushing people to get married young. Also, you're,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you're not, And, you know, I'm just bringing it up.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: You're not fucking.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Around in Vegas spending your money on bottle service all
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: throughout your 20s and 30s. You're actually like, okay, let's
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: work really hard so we can buy this house. Okay, now.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But then you might wake up at 28 and go,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: would you like to go swing? Yeah. Because I didn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: get to go to the bottle service in Vegas. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: there's the switch. Yes.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And not only that, I feel like in the Mormon culture,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: everyone's all about image and how you look and looking perfect.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: And I think that causes comparison and it causes people to,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: just like meeting up with the Joneses, it causes people
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: to want to be better than the other person. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that's where I think you know, the success, you know, uh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: comes in within like the Mormon culture and why so
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: many people are successful is just, you know, there's just
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: so much comparison and so much like, okay, who can
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: look the best, be the best.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that's also kind of interesting too, because, you know, um, vanity,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: it's oftentimes that's one of the seven sins, right? Yes.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: But I guess it's okay to look as pretty as
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you want. You can go to the beauty lab, Heather.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Gay's Beauty Lab, and it was one of the scenes
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: as you guys are getting Botox, which I never got
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: in my 20s, but go for it. Prevent that shit.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And I've never heard, I mean, I just got it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the other day at Dr. Nassif's office, and I didn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: have any, I didn't even have numbing cream. But you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: guys are doing laughing gas. And that is something that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they only do. In Utah. I've never heard of someone
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: eating laughing gas for a Botox shot.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard of that, actually. I've never had
• 31:04
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• 31:06
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• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And then you get a little high, a little fun high.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's great. I'm like, we're having a good time
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: with my girlfriends.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: We're laughing, getting Botox. It's great.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Because some of you drink and some of you don't. Yes.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: There's only one person.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You don't drink, right?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: No, I don't drink.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And do you?
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I used to.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, you used to.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I did for a short stint post-divorce.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: It was a dark time. So you got married before.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: This current husband. And this current husband is a bit
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: older than you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: He is, yeah. 16 years older.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Okay. And so what was your first marriage about?
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: We, so I had an age gap in my first
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: marriage as well.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: 12 years. And I was 18 when I met him.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: He was 29. Is that the right math? Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: We got married at 20 and 31. So just a
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: similar story in the Mormon culture where you just.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I'm 20 years old getting married. I'm older. I'm married
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: to an older guy who has lived life, gone through college.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Was he Mormon too?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: And he still is very straight.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And did you have any kids with him? Yes.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So that's my daughter.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's your one biological child, and then you have two-step,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: because then how did you find your husband that we
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: see on the show?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: So I've known of him through family friends. We have
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: kind of a wild story.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hear it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: It's called Juicy Scoop for a reason.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: We joke around and say, I've known him since I
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: was 10, and he was 26, and he was married with,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I think, one kid at the time.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Such a wild thing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: But the crazy thing is we never really crossed paths.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: We never met each other.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But you knew him because of the church?
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: No. So his family has a wild story. So his
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: sister was married to Larry King. His dad managed Marie
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Osmond for 35 years.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: And they were just in the entertainment industry. And so
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: everyone kind of knew the Engelmans and knew the Kings.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: And my best friend's dad was good friends with the Engelmans.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: And so I grew up like knowing of him. He
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: was the star quarterback at BYU, the Mormon school in Provo.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: And so I just had always heard of him and
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, he's so hot. Like I was just
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: had like this little girl crush on him.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know. I've always liked older men.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: She's always been into the daddies.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Um, so he gets married, has kids. I'm growing up
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: and he gets divorced, um, gets remarried. And I had
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: known of his second wife and we both were kind
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: of like, Ooh, are we sure?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Whatever. It didn't last long. He was married for like
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: five months, ended up playing out the way that we
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: all thought. gets divorced.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: So my husband and I, my ex-husband at the time,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: or my husband, my ex-husband, we run into Brett at the.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Gym and we're like, what is going on? Like, why? Like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: what is your luck? Like, you need to go on
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: The Bachelor or something. And he was like, never. I
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: never would. And we're like, no, we're literally nominating you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: You're going. You are perfect. You're such a catch. Like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: you need to go. He was like, don't you dare.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And you're saying this with your current first husband.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: To this one that then became your second husband.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: All while you're doing, were you doing squats while you
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: were having this conversation?
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, no hip thrusts.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Hip thrusts, I knew it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: And were you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Thinking anything like, I still have a crush on this
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: guy and I'm not really happy with my current husband
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: or everything was peachy at this moment?
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: I always thought Brett was cute, but I was super like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I think I was pretty freshly married to my husband
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: and we were navigating all of those waters. So it
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: was more just like, oh my gosh, I've had a
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: crush on you like most of my life.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: This is crazy, you know? And crazy that I haven't
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: run into you more.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: And my ex-husband was working on like a business deal
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: with Brett. And they were like trying to make connections
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: in business. And then he also had connections in the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: modeling world, was trying to get my daughter to do
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: like modeling gigs, whatever.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: So they had been in contact. So ran into him,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: we're like.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: We're nominating you. He was like, don't you dare. Like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I'll kill you guys. I could never do it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Not for me. We go home.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: We nominate him. They call him the next day and
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: they're like, get out here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: It was Claire's season.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So they call him out.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: He does all the B-roll, all the interviews, everything geared up,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: ready to go.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: And I had had a few friends that had been
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: on Bachelor. So I knew how it worked.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I saw that they had to take their Instagram pages down.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: And I'd followed Brett since I was like 18 years old.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, my gosh, he's there. Like
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: his page is down.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: He's there.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: So two months goes by. I'm like, I can't wait
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: to see this. Like we made this happen. This is insane.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: And then one day I see him posting that he
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: hit like something football related to his sons.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, what is going on? Like, why is
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: he posting? Like they haven't even filmed yet. So I
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: messaged him like, what is going on? Like, why? Why?
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: How do you have your account up? And he responds.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: He's like, they sent everyone home because of COVID. The
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: day before he met COVID time.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: So they sent everyone home the night before he met Claire.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: And they came home. Meanwhile, I'm going through it with
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: my husband. We're like, are we figuring this out?
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Are we not? Therapy, back and forth, back and forth. Finally,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't do it anymore. So we separate.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Brett comes home.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: And like a few weeks later, we connect, hit it off.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: How did you connect? He gave you back.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: So he actually mentioned he was like, oh, by the way,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: I heard back on something related to my ex.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: He was like, Let him know. I'll call him. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, funny story. We're actually separated. And he
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm sure he was so sorry.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Let me come over and we can
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: tell you. Yeah, no, he was definitely like worse.
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• 40:09
  Speaker 5: He was respectful and sweet, but he was very much
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: so like, I've been through this twice.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I know how it goes. This sucks.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: If you need anyone to talk about it, I'm here.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yes, you are, baby.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: How does the father of your child and your new
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: husband get along now?
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Best friends.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're okay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: They're okay.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: There was a little bit of weirdness in the beginning,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: for sure, of just adjusting, but my ex-husband's so mature
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: and just gets life, and he's like.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Life's complicated.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Does he have a new woman?
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: He does.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: They just got sealed in the Newport Beach Temple like
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: three days ago. No way.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: So here's my question about divorce.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: That's where I got sealed.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: No way.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's my question about divorce. Okay. In the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Mormon church. I know how it works in the Catholic church.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: You have to get, what is the name of it? Annulled. Okay.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Which is very hard to prove. It's almost like you
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: got to get your own Catholic lawyer. And then like
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: anything else, sometimes people throughout history that had more power
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and money could get annulled, you have to prove that
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: there was some type of deception or cheating or it
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: can't just.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Be like we- Because you want to.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Like we're domestically, we don't get along. He fucking snores
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and I hate his guts. It can't be that. It
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: has to be something more. And and that's only because
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: you might want to get married again in the church. Otherwise,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you can get divorced, get married. You can still go
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: to church. You can still, you know, whatever. So what
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: is the rule? How is it that you get unsealed
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and then get resealed with somebody else in the Mormon church?
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a process. So I actually and it's.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: And it's complicated because the men can technically be sealed
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: to multiple women. But women, if you want to, like
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: if I wanted to get sealed to Brett, I'd have
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: to break my seal and I'd.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Have to like go get that broken.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: My ex-husband and his wife were already trying to get married.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Like they got married civilly first and then they just
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: got sealed a year later in the Newport Beach Temple.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: And so they went through that process and got that
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: seal broken. So now at this point, like I can
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: get married to Brett. in the temple, no problem.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: But if you didn't do it, do you have any
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: feeling of like, oh my God, if we both died
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: in a car crash tomorrow, I wouldn't be in heaven
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: with my current husband? I mean, do you feel you
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: don't believe that, right?
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: No, I just like have a firm belief that everything
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: works out. Like, I think we're doing the best we can.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I think we're all a bunch of.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Little kids trying to figure it out. So if you
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: want to go through that process, you will. Yeah. When
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you feel like you have the time or whatever.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're working towards it for sure.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: We've definitely been like up and down with the church
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: with like, you know, following all the guidelines and figuring
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: out our place in that. And so I went through
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: the temple when I was 20 years old and made
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: a major commitment that I would wear my garments and
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: that I would do specific things and go to the
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: temple regularly and I wasn't ready to make that decision.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: And I think that's a lot of people.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: You go out as a 19 year old kid on
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: a mission and you commit to do all these things.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: And it's like, wait, I didn't really know what I
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: was committing to. And I think it all works out
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: in the end, like either way. But for us, like, yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: we are working towards going to the temple.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: And being sealed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: But I don't worry necessarily that like if we were
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: to die, like would I ever see you again?
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I think we all end up in the same place anyway.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Like I think majority of us have incredible intentions and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: are doing our best and like we'll ultimately end up
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: where we want to be.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think a true loving God isn't going
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to be like, well, you didn't break your ceiling, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: so you have to be here. No, a loving God is,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it seems like people in your circle from,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: you know, your current husband willing to go on The Bachelor,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that reality TV is something that you guys thought was fun,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you maybe kind of always thought in your head you'd
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: want to do, Was there any hold back of when
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you look at like Housewives and things like that and
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: how it can really destroy families, so many divorces and stuff?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Was anybody in your world being like, I don't think
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: you should do this show?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, my husband personally didn't want to do the show.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: And I told him like, no, I really want to
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: do this. Like it hasn't been a dream of mine
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: to be a reality TV star, but it's always been
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: a dream of mine to be on camera. And I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: do feel like taking this opportunity will lead to other opportunities.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: So you always kind of wanted to perform and be
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: an actor, but you didn't necessarily go get an agent,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: do these things.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Which is what is great about reality TV is that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you instantly are a star of a show without having
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to take all these steps. But then the other side
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: of it is you don't just take off your outfit
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and leave the trailer and be– your private person at home.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It leads, it's 24-7 really, especially with social media too.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: No, and at least for me, I really went into
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the show with the intention of wanting to share my
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: own personal story and my journey, which I truly feel
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I can inspire non-members and members. And just, yeah, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to make it very clear that we're all different
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: and our relationship with God looks different. And I mean,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: everybody's relationship with God looks different. And Yeah. I think
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: also with my husband going into med school, I didn't
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: actually feel like we had an option because being the provider,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I saw this as a huge opportunity for me to
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: be able to make money and help us get through
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: medical school because I personally want to be able to
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: provide and tell my kids, no, I paid for our
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: medical school. I got us through it. It was me.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to be that person for personally my
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: daughter to let her know that you can do anything
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you set your mind to and That looks different. Like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: you don't have to go to school. You could be
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: literally a young mom at home twerking on her countertop,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and that can pay the bills. Like, you can do
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: anything you set your mind to. But, no, that's really
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: why I personally wanted to do this show. And also just,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I also wanted to, yeah, represent the church
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: in the way that, like, we are all different. We're
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: not all like the cookie-cutter Mormon that you see. Right?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: we all like to twerk and we also like to bake.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that there's no cookie cutter.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Like everyone thinks there is this cookie cutter and I'm
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: excited to break that stigma.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yes. So, so were there rumblings going around of like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: we'd love to focus on a group of Mormon, Yangmong, TikTokers.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I heard that there was that kind of search among
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: different production companies, even like what, you know, what could
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: this be? And then the scandal happened. So then she
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: does this video. Let's get back to Taylor. She decides
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: to do this video exposing all of this. And why
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: did she decide to do that? Was it because she
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: got sucked into social media commentary that had exposed it
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: somewhere else?
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I think that it had been exposed on Reddit. And
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: I keep getting the story mixed up, so correct me
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain that someone in
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: the group had exposed her cheating scandal because she ended
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: up taking it to the point of having sex with
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: one of them which that was like crossing their group
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: boundary okay and that got exposed so then when she
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: started to look like like they were demonizing her she
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: came out and was like I wasn't the only.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: One involved got it okay got it and what was
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: that day like when you're just like Is your phone
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: just like everybody texting each other or what?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: At least for me, I wasn't part of mom talk
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: when that was going down. I was just like a follower,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: like an observer. I was part of the group. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: for me, I was just like, oh, my gosh, like
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I want to know the tea. Like I was like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: give me the tea.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: It was wild.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And were you friendly? So you were friendly with Taylor?
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. I was at the parties.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I was friends with her. I'd gone to multiple mom
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: talk events. I had my stepsons coming home from school
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: being like, my teachers and my classmates are asking me, like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: if you guys are swingers, like my younger ones, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: what's a swinger?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: You're like, what did you say?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: These are your kids that are 19 and 16 years old.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: So what did you say to that?
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I think we just were like. it's not true.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, like it doesn't
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: matter what people think. And like, sorry, you had to
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: deal with that, but also like, it's not true. You
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: can either tell them that or just say none of
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: your business.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Um, so I think we just kind of handled it
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: the best that we could, but it was just wild.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: We're like, how?
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Like I had been a part of mom talk for
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: a few months and then all of a sudden it's like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: everyone's asking me.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: So how was it swinging? Like, who are you?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Now I want to know, and maybe you have the answer.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: You don't, but throughout time, or at least the last 10,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: 20 years, Have there been secret swinging groups within the church? Absolutely. Oh,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: so this is like a common thing. And is it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: this soft swinging that's like everything but penetration? I don't know.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I think that was specifically just Taylor's situation.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was their way of justifying their behavior, I think.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Like if we could take it this far but not too.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Far, then.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Until it just became swinging.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Which happens a lot in the Mormon culture.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Not related to swinging.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It's like soaking a real thing. Oh, absolutely.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: And soaking is, you can put your penis in a vagina.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: But don't move.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: But not thrust. So then you have your friend jump
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: on the bed so that it's. What the point is that?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But that is all a real thing. This is not
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: like a joke.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's a real thing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: So then you have your friend jump on the bed.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: So then you're not thrusting, but you're inadvertently being able
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to thrust and get some pleasure out of it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very strange at that point. Just do it. No,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: at that point, it's real.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: What's the intention behind it?
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same, so just do it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: It's the same.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Gazing, docking, soaking, derping.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: What's gazing?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Durfing. Gazing is like they take their clothes off and
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: you just look at them.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then what's the next one?
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Docking is when you just dock it. Soaking.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, dock the boat, but don't rock it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Don't rock it. Okay, go. Don't you dare rock it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: That's cute. Okay, what else?
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know this. Soak, I'm pretty certain, is
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: the one where you, like, have a buddy help you out.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Jump on the bed.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: And then derfing is just the high school, you know.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Just dry humping.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, zipper sparking. That's my favorite.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She's like high school. I still do that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I love it. Dry hump is all it's about. Okay,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: so let's get into, okay, so Whitney. What I love
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: about the show is, I know we've talked a lot
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: about more in Mormons in the title, but I really
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: think And something that I think is more universal to
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: why you'd like the show is that, to me, it's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: really the behind the scenes of these social media TikTok
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: stars that you see. And you feel like you have
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: so much insight into their home because you're watching their videos.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But this is really like, oh, I have this sponsor. Oh,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and then a little bit of the jealousy that goes on.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's really great when people collaborate, but there is
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: also that kind of jealousy when you bring someone on
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and you tag them and they get all these followers
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and then later on they blow you off or they
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: feel entitled or they have an opportunity and they don't
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: invite you to do the big video with the star.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: You just described the whole world literally in a few sentences.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: That's what's really– That's what I think is kind of
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation that hasn't really been had yet.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: And I think we kind of see it. So we
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: see this girl, Whitney, who she takes off after the
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: scandal for a couple months and then comes back with
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: her husband, Connor, and she has a couple kids. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: we see Connor and she reveals to you guys that
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the reason she left is that again on the Reddit
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: or whatever was it was revealed that he was on Grindr.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Grindr.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding. It's Tinder.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was like, oh. It's Tinder. I was like, newsflash.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to see if you guys would catch
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: my joke.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, did you know this?
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: Am I out of it?
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: You've seen it. So I'm like, oh, no. It's way
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: worse than we thought. That got me so good.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: When I was watching it, I was like, oh, I
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: know the joke I'm going to tell. I think I
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: want to grab Grindr. But whatever, they say Tinder. So
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: she says he's flirting with people on Tinder, but he
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: never met someone in person.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: What's mutual?
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: A Mormon dating app. That's how I met my husband.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Grindr's way worse.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. But, no, it was Tinder and that comes
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: out that he was, you know, flirting. And what I
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: really thought was juicy, and I had seen this going around.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I never put two and two together. I recently just
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: saw someone post. like a couple of days ago, let's
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: never forget this moment where this, where this mom danced
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: as her kid was, you know, in the NICU. And
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: so Whitney reveals that she does have some gel. Well,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: she won't say she's jealous, but the girls think that
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: she's jealous of Taylor because Taylor got to easily bounce
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: back in her mind from the forms of comments, people.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Which can I add, she's still bouncing back from. So
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: that is so false that it was just like a
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: bounce back.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Like she deals with that. daily.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: And it weighs heavy on their relationship.
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: I was talking to Dakota about it the other day
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: and he was like.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And Taylor is Dakota's... I mean, Dakota is Taylor's boyfriend
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and also the father of her child. Because after the
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: swinging thing, she gets divorced. She has two kids with
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: that husband. And then she meets this other guy who also...
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Is he a TikTok influencer person? He is, yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: He does social media and it's crazy because everyone thinks
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: that he's the guy that she cheated with.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: In every article, it's Dakota, who she had the affair with.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: And just to clear that up, that is not true.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: She didn't know Dakota in the midst of the swinging stuff.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: So that was a completely new relationship post swinging, post divorce.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting about Dakota is he comes along. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: he is honest about his addiction. He was addicted to fentanyl.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Thank God he got out of that. I know. But
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: he's a real cute guy and happy to be on
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: camera like everybody else, which I think is good. I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: think you've got to have everyone down to put on
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the mic. And then he– so with him, then he
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: comes along and they have a baby. Well, they get
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: pregnant and unfortunately she miscarries. But then she gets pregnant
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: again and we see her pregnant in the show. And
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that baby is six months old. And they are not
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: married yet. No. But they've had their issues because they've
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: had cops called when wicked fights have happened. Neighbors have
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: called cops. So she's kind of like going through some stuff.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: For sure.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So Whitney thinks that she bounced back too quickly. And
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Whitney's bitter because Whitney... had a scare with her son
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: with RSV, is that what it's called? It was like
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: an infantile breathing situation. It can be really scary. And
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: then when she got better....
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: When she got better.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: When she got better news that the child was doing better.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: The child was still not at home. The child was
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: in still a hospital situation with a plastic crib wrapped up.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And then she started to do the dance where you
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: do the writing where it's like, When you're happy that
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: your child, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And she did the hit.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: The way she's describing the situation, I'm dead. In a
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: plastic crib wrapped up. It is like the most, like
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: when you put it that way, I'm like.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it would kind of be different if
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: she was like, my baby's home, I'm feeding him or whatever.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Or like, oh my God, we made it back. And
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: so she's like, the intention was just, I was just
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: so happy. I had to dance about it. But then
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: was it you? Wait, was it you? Kind of reveal.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Was it in Park City?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: You sort of reveal that at one time she was vulnerable,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: which I won't give everything away. And she said, I
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: did it because I wanted to get that attention and
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: likes and all of that stuff.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: And.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: You know, that is just part of our world now.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: I know. And I believe everybody that has more than
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: 100 followers is thirsty.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: If you are on Facebook and it's only 86 people
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: because you want to show your kid off to grandma,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I believe you're not thirsty. Yeah. If you have 87 people,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you're thirsty. Yeah. You're thirsty. You're trying to do something
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: with this. You're on it. You're active. You are like...
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: People are watching. I need to feel like what was
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: the response to this? And, you know, many of us
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: make a living out of at it and then others don't.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: And you get wrapped up just like anything else. You
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: see that you weren't invited to a party and that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: makes you sad. You see that a lot of people
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: liked your your thing. And it's just it's just part
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: of our world. And I don't really think it should
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: be criticized anymore because it's part of our world.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: And I will say this, that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I think she wanted the same treatment that Taylor was receiving,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: which she wasn't receiving good treatment. But I think that
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: the difference that people saw was that she was willingly
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: putting her son, who was obviously not doing well, on
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: camera doing the dance right there. And regardless of what
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: the intentions were or what was going on behind camera,
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Taylor didn't create her.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Scandal like it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Just happened right and so I think the difference was
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: no you actually went on and put the video on
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: and did this whole thing you yourself uploaded that and
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: did that whereas Taylor anything that's been shared has been
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: besides the video of her coming on after it had
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: already leaked has been against her will and so that's
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: the difference there and why I even said anything in
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: the first place was because I think it was Macy
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: that was kind of defending her. Well, her intentions, I'm like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: but she's the one that posted it. And she admitted
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: that that was her intention. And so that's the difference
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: in that situation. But I also go on record saying
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: that TikTok, especially then when she posted that, was wild,
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: wild west. Everyone was throwing up the most gnarly.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Videos to see what would stick.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: It was such a new platform. And so I give
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: her grace because I did the same thing. I've deleted
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: so many videos that I'm like, ew, cringy.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Why would I say that? Why would I post that? Ew,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: that kind of exposes my daughter a little bit. I
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: don't like that. That exploits her a little bit.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I do think there's been more of a mirror now
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: where we do talk about, you know, I mean, a
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: big part of it, and that was going to get
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: to my next question, is, and I've talked a lot
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: about it, On this show, I think Illinois is the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: first state to make a law that children should be
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: getting money from the parent, the parents making money off
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: of social media. So if you had a big, um,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: cereal brand come to you and you are, your child's
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: eating it and you do it and you get 20 grand,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: then you should put 15, 20% into an account for
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: your child.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: That's a really good idea.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: You know, especially cause I mean, she's using, you know, and,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: you know, people have, we were Hollywood kids. We had
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: an agent. My sister made a lot of money off
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: of it way more than me that she went on
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: to be an attorney. And, um, back then I remember
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: where they're like, yeah, we're getting an addition. And they
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: were like, thanks to Shannon's bold three commercial.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Like, My sister doesn't care.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: They paid for her college and law school. Well, actually,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: she paid for her own law school.
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: But had she become the Disney star, and then I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: was driving a Mercedes, and I had a big house,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: and then my sister at 30 wasn't making that money again,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: that would seem pretty fucked up.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I think now, because there's no rules
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: like that, like there is now for TV.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I think they're trying to do it, but I think
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: you can consciously do it and you can maybe that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: can be something you can share with other influencers. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: then also just being really careful that with some of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: these children that are just, you know, so attractive and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: cute and then people point out like. well, this has
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: been shared 18 million times. Now why has this child
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: eating a lollipop or a popsicle been saved 18 million times?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: And so I think you have to think about what kind,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and then they kind of point out, oh, this mom knows.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: that by having her daughter eat a hot dog and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: a popsicle, it does better.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: And there has been cases like that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Then if it's just her coloring or being like, I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: want SpaghettiOs or whatever. So it's kind of, it's weird.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: But I think in the show, we barely see her kids,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: at least the first four episodes. I don't really see
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the kids at all.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: We all were very purposeful.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's really, yeah, it's really hard trying to figure
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: that out because, you know, part of us, you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: wants to share, like, our mom life and what that's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: like in our children, because that's literally our life, but
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: it's also hard because we also want to protect our
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: children and the world is so scary. So I think
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of us are trying to figure out that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: balance and what is best for our family. Yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Right. And then the husbands, you know, it's like, you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: got to protect those husbands. Because I don't, I haven't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: seen a lot in which the men could really be
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: criticized for. You have a blessing and your husband is like, well,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: we want to keep it smaller. We just want to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: keep it with the group that is actively.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: She hasn't made it to Vegas yet.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: She hasn't made it to Vegas.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't made it to Vegas yet. Oh, something
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: happens where he gets mad. Okay, so, but get ready
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people coming out. Now, hopefully he'll
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: be so busy in medical school that he won't, See
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: his DMs or I would take them off. Yes. And
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: you know what?
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't care.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would maybe not have my husband on it.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On social.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't think they need to see like anybody
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: say that. I think what always happens with housewives husbands
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: is these guys. Traditional housewife husband is let's say he's 50.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: He's made a lot of money. He's like, sure, darling,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: let's be on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Then
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: everyone's like, you were a dick at breakfast. You have
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: no jawline. And he's like, what? I have no jawline.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a businessman. What?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: I made it.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And then I think he starts fighting with her. And
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: then she's like, well, fuck you. This is my thing.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to keep doing the show. The next
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: thing you know, there's another divorce. And so I think
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I personally would just, if I was ever to be
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: on something like that, and I wasn't me, like I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: was just a girl that had never really been on TV.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, my husband's not on social.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's definitely something we're also trying to figure out.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: But he's also like in a way.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Also weird women will want to DM them and fish
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: and flirt just so that they can get clout and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: they can do a TikTok and they're like, hi, look
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: who wrote me back.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely. As of right now, I feel like my
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: husband's just feeding into it because he's like, it's reality TV.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Like we're almost seeing this as a job now, like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: not something that we're actually doing. trying to take home,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: even though that's kind of what happened in our situation.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: But moving forward, we're like, yeah, let's just like feed
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: into this. And, you know, as long as our relationship
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: is good at home, then we move forward with this.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: If not, then maybe we have to step away from it.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Do you know any of the Real Housewives of Salt
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Lake City women?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I don't, but you do. I do, yes.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: I know a few. I've known of Whitney for a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: long time, kind of like a family. Yeah, you guys
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: kind of have.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: A similar story. Second marriage, older. Oh, my God.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: It's very similar.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't sign the papers to be taken off the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: church's list.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Their whole thing is leaving the church.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Bad Mormon.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Does that bother you at all as a Mormon, that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: stuff being put out there? You don't care.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Again, everybody has their own story.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: And I think everyone should be able to share their story.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: If we're allowed to talk about the things that we
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: are in our perspective, then other people should too.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: And so you kind of know her.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of know her. I've met Lisa a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: couple of times. Brett's ex-wife.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love that for you. Do you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: like the Vita tequila? It's so wonderful.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: I've never had it, but I'm sure it would be wonderful.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: Brett's ex-wife was a friend of on the show.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Oh. Her name's Angie Harrington.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I had her on my show.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Angie on.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: No way. Blonde Angie.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: And are you friendly with her?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we all co-parent really great.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that she said that when she came on. Yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: she was nice.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good. So yeah, there's some connections.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: So you have, I feel like there was tentacles of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: reality TV like touching you.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: It's like inevitable. It was like it's.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: Coming for me and now it's got me and now
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: I got to make sure it doesn't get me.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I got to stay connected.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Humble and awake and just try to be purposeful in
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: how I move forward with it.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: So do you think they're going to get jealous? Who?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: The Housewives. The Housewives of Salt Lake City.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, for sure. I think so just from.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would be.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: I think so.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: I would be a little.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Jealous just because I feel like there's a new era.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: But I feel, and I've talked about this because I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: kind of analyze Housewives as well as have fun and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: do impressions of them. I feel like the actual Real
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Housewives franchise, they redid New York. And I feel like
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Hulu and Jeff Jenkins, who's the producer of your show,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: it's smart to kind of find different entities of this
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: brand of watching women who are moms and friendships. Different demographics,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: different ages, not necessarily all young.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: You know, they're going to, like, they're doing Snowbirds, which
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: is going to be about New Yorkers who, you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: are kind of early retirement age in Palm Beach. I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: just think it's fun to watch different groups of people
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: in America, like.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: You know, and kind of see.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Different seasons of life. Yeah, and that Snowbirds is going
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: to have, like, a gay couple. It's not going to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: be all women. Yeah. Like, there's going to be different
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: kind of things that you can see, but. I mean, personally,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I'd be a little bit, not that there's one or
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: the other, but I'd be a little bit like, I
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: thought we were the only thing happening in Salt Lake City.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing that made Real Housewives of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City stick out was them being associated with Mormonism.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: But now that's, like, our whole show. Like, we're literally
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: called the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: I could see how that's threatening for them.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: And we just have, I feel like we also have
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: so much... Like there's just so many more factors to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: our show. We have Mormonism and we're young. So that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: means that we also relate to the younger crowd.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Much longer time.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: And the older crowd as well as TikTok, the swinging scandal.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so many, so many factors.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: To our show.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: The biggest thing that sets us apart is that I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: feel like there has been this longstanding notion in society
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: to watch women tear each other apart and tear each
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: other down and compare who wore the dress better and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: who did this better and whose husband, you know, who
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: did he marry next and all these things.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: Whereas in our group, we genuinely are friends.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Like we all are friends. We talk every single day.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: We get together very frequently. We call each other when
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: we're in a bind with our kids and watch each
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: other's kids. And I feel like it's very typical for
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: reality TV.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: They film, they leave. And they come back and they
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: film and they catch up and then they leave. And
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of them don't remain friends.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Don't hang out during shooting.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Don't hang out during shooting.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not shooting.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Do they sign papers to not see each other off
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: camera too?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: That's not a thing?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: No, they could see each other. They actually would want
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: them to. They get mad if they get together on camera.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: I've been there.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: At the Real Housewives of OC years ago, and we filmed,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Heather Dubrow's, do you watch Real Housewives of OC at all?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, so this girl had a groundbreaking, like, let's break
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: the ground, we're gonna build this house. So she invited me,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: we were friendly, I came out to it. And then
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: that was it, the shooting was done. And then that night,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: a couple of the other girls go, let's go to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Mastro's Steakhouse, let's go to Shannon Bedore's house, then we're gonna,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: and somehow, a producer was texting, and he was so
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: pissed that they were getting together and possibly talking shit
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: about one of the housewives and the cameras weren't there
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: to see it. And it was like, oh no, there's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that. Now, many people feel that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Bravo being held, being kind of from men that started Bravo,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: gay men whatever misogynistic in some way that these men
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: are sort of controlling these Barbies you know and I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: think people women now are starting to see that like
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: wait a minute what it was this fuckery that we've
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: watched for 15 years now how do you think that
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you guys can navigate that not happening that the powers
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: that be won't be as do you feel that the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: it's not like that on your show.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah I What do you think?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like it is different.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's a different vibe for sure.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: No, and I feel like our producers have been, for
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: the most part, like, amazing. And I feel like they've,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: they want it to be as authentic as possible. And
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: for it to be authentic, like, we still need our
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: relationships outside of it and things to be separate from
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: the show because these are real friendships. And I think
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: they noticed that and they valued that. And they also took,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: not took advantage of that, but also, like, monetized off
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: of that because you'll see in this show we're our
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: complete authentic selves we're completely vulnerable and I think that's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: why we got such a good like show is because
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: of that I think.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: It's rare well I'm gonna also say something about my
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: generation we are awful we are meaner than the millennials
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: we are more jealous we are bitchier we are like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: the show Heathers the movie Heathers that like real bit
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: like it It's a different thing. And some of us
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: grow out of it and like are lovely. And some
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: of us are still coming after. And I think that
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: sometimes the fandom of Bravo and Housewives, it is so
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: much because they love the girls and they're cool and everything.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: But then there's this weird jealousy between the fan at
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: home and the star and they'll bring them up and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: they'll tear them down and they go at each other.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: It's like a different kind of thing. And I've noticed...
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: in watching younger women and their relationships and treating each
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: other and Gen Z as well, it is different. And
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: there is a lot of positivity in the younger generation
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: of women that is kind of fun to watch too.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is definitely the generation of learning better, doing better.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: And I do like that.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: And I'm excited to bring that element into the show
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: and for people to have some wholesome in the reality
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: TV world. Not that there's not, there's bits and pieces,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: but I really hope people walk away feeling empowered and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: like watch it and they they're not feeling like, oh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: I need therapy after that.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: They're feeling like I'm inspired by that. Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that you guys came. Tell everybody
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: where they can follow you personally. OK.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: On TikTok and Instagram. Demi, Lucy May on TikTok and Instagram.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Affleck. Just think of J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: Jennifer Affleck.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: TikTok and Insta.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Now you can do this.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I'm the one and only Jen Affleck.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: I'm the last one standing.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: She said, yeah, it was Jennifer Affleck, Jennifer Gardner Affleck,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: then Jennifer Lopez Affleck. Yes. And now there's just one
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Jen Affleck.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: I'm the last one standing.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I love it. And of course, Mormon Wives is on Hulu.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Starts September 6th. You can binge it. You can... Separate it,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: you know, those Mormons like sweets, but you can't have
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: it all in one sitting. So separate your dessert or
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: just watch it all. And then follow the girls to
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  Speaker 2: get all the latest scoop and all their beauty hacks
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  Speaker 2: and everything because you guys are all so cute, beautiful skin.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Lovely.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: Thank you. So good meeting you.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Once again, you guys, you're going to go
• 1:12:57
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• 1:12:59
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