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3/6/26: Jobs CRATER, Gas SKYROCKETS, Anti-War Vote FAILS · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: You guys, what's that?
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Speaker 2: this War Powers resolution that just failed in the House,
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Speaker 2: last month. Reportedly we lost ninety two thousand jobs. That
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Speaker 2: investigation exposing what many of us suspected that it was
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Speaker 2: in fact the US behind that deadly massacre of little
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Speaker 2: girls at a school in Iran. Just horrifying stuff there.
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Speaker 6: All right, guys, joining us this morning.
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Speaker 2: To talk about the War Powers resolution vote that happened
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Speaker 2: in the House and the Iran war in general, and
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Speaker 2: also we'll get his reaction on those jobs numbers. Is
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Speaker 2: a Congressman Rokanna from California. Great to see you, Congressman.
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Speaker 8: Always a pleasure, Thanks for having me back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, first of all, just your reaction to you.
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Speaker 2: You and Thomas Massey once again teamed up to push
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Speaker 2: this War Powers resolution vote, which is not even a
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Speaker 2: vote against the war. It's just literally a vote to say, hey,
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Speaker 2: Congress should have a say in this. To me, that
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like it should be controversial. Nevertheless, the vote
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Speaker 2: failed both in the Senate and yesterday in the House.
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Speaker 6: So your reaction with that, it.
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Speaker 8: Was very disappointing. Disappointing because we've already lost six American
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Speaker 8: service members because we're literally spending over a billion dollars
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Speaker 8: a day. I mean, just to put this in perspective,
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Speaker 8: fifty days in Iran could fund free public college education
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Speaker 8: for every American in this country and a thousand trade schools, right,
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Speaker 8: I mean, so you're asking people to die, and you're
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Speaker 8: asking all of this money to go for a cause
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Speaker 8: that you have not even said why you're there. They
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Speaker 8: themselves are saying, well, the IRGC probably will stay in power.
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Speaker 8: They themselves are saying that they could rebuild ballistic missiles
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Speaker 8: or nuclear weapons. So what is the reason. They just
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Speaker 8: want to punch Iran to weaken Iran irrelative to the
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Speaker 8: other powers in the Middle East. Okay, I get that
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Speaker 8: that's what Yahu wants, but we want Americans dying for that,
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Speaker 8: and we want our money going for that. I really
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Speaker 8: was saddened for our nation that after Iraq, after Afghanistan,
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Speaker 8: twenty years after Libya, we still could not get this
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Speaker 8: War Powers resolution to pass. But we're not giving up.
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Speaker 8: By the way, I've been disappointed by some of the
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Speaker 8: people who I'm not going to mention names, but are
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Speaker 8: on TV saying, well, I don't know, procedurally, we'll still
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Speaker 8: vote for funding some supplementals if it helps our troops.
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Speaker 8: There should be a consistent now democratic line, not a
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Speaker 8: single dollar for funding the Iran supplemental, not a single
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Speaker 8: dollar we need till that's Congress's power.
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Speaker 4: Well, I have a question on that note.
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Speaker 8: Actually I was.
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Speaker 7: I interviewed You're calling Thomas Massey the other day who
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Speaker 7: said he was toying around with the idea of actually
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Speaker 7: introducing a declaration of war, which he would not vote for,
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Speaker 7: but to force maybe Democrats who are using the War
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Speaker 7: Powers Resolution as cover, and certainly Republicans to be on
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Speaker 7: the record about where they stand on the war, to
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Speaker 7: actually take a vote. Have the two of you talked
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Speaker 7: about that. Is it something that you would seriously consider
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Speaker 7: going forward?
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Speaker 8: It's a good idea. I actually I haven't talked to
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Speaker 8: him about that. We were talking more about the War
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Speaker 8: Powers vote yesterday. But people should go on record on that,
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Speaker 8: you know, I mean Lindsey Graham's view as we are
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Speaker 8: in war and it doesn't matter because the president can
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Speaker 8: just go to war under Article two, and you know,
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Speaker 8: it would be good to put people on the record
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Speaker 8: on that. But I also think it's important for the
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Speaker 8: Democrats now to talk about funding. Just like we're talking
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Speaker 8: about no new funding for ice, there should be no
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Speaker 8: funding for the Iran supplemental.
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Speaker 3: So one of the if there was any good news
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Speaker 3: for your faction of the party coming out of this,
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Speaker 3: it was that, under under pressure, Democratic leadership did decide
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Speaker 3: to whip this vote, which was a break from the
6:16
Speaker 3: practice that they've engaged in the past. They with like
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Speaker 3: Lake and Riley right out of the gate, they said,
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Speaker 3: you know what, vote vote your conscience, you know if
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Speaker 3: you feel and what they mean by vote your conscience
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Speaker 3: is vote your whatever you think is you know, in
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Speaker 3: your in your immediate political interests, even if it undermines
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Speaker 3: the party or the country. So in this case they said, no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: we want all Democrats voting to support this. And you
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Speaker 3: did flip three of the four kind of public members
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Speaker 3: of Democratic members of Congress two yes votes. We want
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Speaker 3: to curious how you you know, what you did to
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Speaker 3: kind of convince them to vote yes. But then ones
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Speaker 3: who had been quieter about where they were going to be,
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Speaker 3: in particular Henry Quaar, Jared Golden, and Jan Bargas all
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Speaker 3: vote all ended up voting against this. Quaar seems like
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Speaker 3: kind of just beholden to Trump because of the prosecution
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Speaker 3: that they're kind of holding over his head, or like,
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Speaker 3: what is your understanding of what happened with those Democrats
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Speaker 3: on how'd you flip the ones you got?
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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, it is an achievement that we
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Speaker 8: got all but four. Remember I mean I was considered
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Speaker 8: on the fringes of the party. I'm the only guy
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Speaker 8: who votes against the Armed Services NDAA. Literally it's like
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Speaker 8: sixty seven to one, and they say kinda boo every
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Speaker 8: time I vote no. So, you know, to have Massy
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Speaker 8: and Massey was seen as a maverickan fringe on his party.
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Speaker 8: So they have us lead, and now to have the
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Speaker 8: leadership saying you're going to get on Kanda Massy's bill. No,
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Speaker 8: we're not going to offer some diluted substitute for it.
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Speaker 8: It's not a credit to me or Massy as much
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Speaker 8: as it's just a recognition of reality of where the
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Speaker 8: Democratic base is and where the American people are. I
8:00
Speaker 8: was trying to be gracious to Josh Gottheimer and I
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Speaker 8: said he cast a principals vote and that he replied saying, yeah,
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Speaker 8: I just want to make it clear I totally disagree
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Speaker 8: with kna on the principle something. I said, Well, you
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Speaker 8: did vote for the bill that I had Massy drafted,
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Speaker 8: and so it does.
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Speaker 6: It does one of the brick honestly, not from you.
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Speaker 8: But I was like, you can't even praise folks anymore.
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Speaker 8: Or something that to have my my praise. But I
8:30
Speaker 8: but reality is that it was a combination of persuasion
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Speaker 8: and fear. You know that there were groups out there
8:38
Speaker 8: we were saying they were going to primary folks. Uh.
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Speaker 8: And one of the things the Democratic Party needs to
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Speaker 8: do is be willing to fight for some of these
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Speaker 8: core principles, which means persuasion, but also means, look, we
8:50
Speaker 8: got to get in line on some big issues. We
8:54
Speaker 8: do on uh, women's rights and abortion rights, we do
8:59
Speaker 8: on issues of basic equality of gay rights. I mean,
9:04
Speaker 8: warn p should be one of those issues, like it
9:07
Speaker 8: should be. People should be concerned about being out of
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Speaker 8: touch with their base. Similarly on Gaza, that should be
9:13
Speaker 8: another issue, and that's what's emerging. So I think it
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Speaker 8: was the combination of that. Now, why did a few
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Speaker 8: of the folks vote against it? I mean, poy are
9:22
Speaker 8: putting aside the whole issue with Trump has always been
9:25
Speaker 8: fairly conservative. I mean, I'd have to look at his
9:27
Speaker 8: record so that one, and Golden doesn't surprise men. I
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Speaker 8: think Golden has also been pretty conservative on some of
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Speaker 8: these issues. Vargas, I don't know. I mean I didn't.
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Speaker 8: He wasn't even on our list, so that one came
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Speaker 8: as a surprise, and Lansman was fairly vocal about his opposition.
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Speaker 3: So you know, Lansman was getting berated on the House
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Speaker 3: floor by Pelosi. Did you overhear anything that she was
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Speaker 3: saying to him or did you pick up like what
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Speaker 3: arguments she was making. Because Pelosi, including during Iraq like,
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Speaker 3: was among the Democratic leaders who've pretty consistently been against
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Speaker 3: the war. Now, she she didn't go as far as
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Speaker 3: the party wanted her to go in like cutting off
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Speaker 3: funding for the Iraq War, et cetera. But when it
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Speaker 3: comes to leadership, she was always the one most willing
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Speaker 3: to like entertain the anti war arguments. Did you hear
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Speaker 3: what she was telling him?
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Speaker 8: I did not firsthand, but you're right. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 8: I don't agree with everything with Pelosi, but she did.
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Speaker 8: She wasn't the minority at the time of Democrats willing
10:29
Speaker 8: to stand up against the Iraq War, and was absolutely
10:33
Speaker 8: right about that. My guess is, you know, Landsman cares
10:38
Speaker 8: about Ohio, cares about politics there, and she was probably
10:42
Speaker 8: just saying that this this is going to be a historic,
10:44
Speaker 8: consequential vote. You don't want to be on the on
10:46
Speaker 8: the wrong side of it. I thought he was gettible.
10:50
Speaker 8: We had a lot of people working on him, and
10:53
Speaker 8: that one I thought, especially after Gottthheimer went our way
10:58
Speaker 8: and Swazi went our way, I thought we would get him.
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Speaker 8: But obviously he decided the other way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a rough interview with Isaac Chadner, as
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Speaker 2: many have. So I recommend people go and read that
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Speaker 2: if you want to see how just how sound or
11:12
Speaker 2: how not sound his logic was on all of this.
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Speaker 6: What about Carson?
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Speaker 2: It is one of the great mysteries of our time
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Speaker 2: is the it's got to be some level of ego arrogance.
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Speaker 2: You think you're going to be the one that comes
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Speaker 2: out looking good, the warning warning to everyone. Yes, But Congressman,
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Speaker 2: one other thing I wanted to ask you about is
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Speaker 2: we saw seen now a couple of senators in particular
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Speaker 2: who came out and were wavering. So I'm thinking of
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Speaker 2: Mark Kelly, who you actually got asked about your on
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Speaker 2: right after him, where he wasn't sure he was going
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Speaker 2: to vote for the War Powers Resolution. He ultimately did.
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Speaker 2: Democrats in the Senate only lost John Fetterman, who was
11:50
Speaker 2: just a lost cause in like every regard in any case,
11:53
Speaker 2: he pretty quickly was like, oh, no, no, no, I'm going
11:55
Speaker 2: to vote for it. We saw something similar with Reuben
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Speaker 2: Diego who came out and was like, well, I would
12:01
Speaker 2: support the funding if the Gulf States front fifty percent
12:05
Speaker 2: of it, so like, I'm not opposed to funding the
12:07
Speaker 2: war that he's actually been very aggressively rhetorically against. And
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Speaker 2: then you know, he got a lot of public pushback,
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Speaker 2: including from myself and others, and immediately put on into
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Speaker 2: a no, no, no, I oppose the funding. I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to support the funding. Also, you know, in a
12:20
Speaker 2: related similar matter, you've also seen Gavin Newsom'm really trying
12:23
Speaker 2: to shift on Israel, saying oh, it's an apartheid state.
12:26
Speaker 2: You know, yes we should look at conditioning aid, which
12:28
Speaker 2: is obviously very different from where he's been, but specifically
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Speaker 2: on the Iran war. You know, what is your sense
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Speaker 2: of how many calls people are getting, how much pressure
12:36
Speaker 2: members of Congress are feeling, especially on the Democrats Democratic
12:39
Speaker 2: side over this.
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Speaker 8: They're feeling pressure. I mean, they they're feeling pressure on Gaza,
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Speaker 8: They're feeling pressure on getting into another Middle East war.
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Speaker 8: This is a much bigger than e Venezuela. I mean
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Speaker 8: I was opposed to what happened with Madero, but that
12:51
Speaker 8: one didn't have the same public residence, partly because it
12:56
Speaker 8: wasn't our hemisphere, partly because it was a short two days.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I was a poster and I've been opposed
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Speaker 8: to these boat strikes, but it doesn't resonate as much politically.
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Speaker 8: Iran does because it's a reminder of what happened in Iraq,
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Speaker 8: because the casualties were unfortunate and so quick, because people
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Speaker 8: are seeing the stories of these families, and because they're
13:20
Speaker 8: seeing the amount spent. And look, I'm always glad when
13:24
Speaker 8: people come on our side. That's why by tweet about
13:29
Speaker 8: Gotdheimer was not sarcastic. I was actually trying to be appreciative.
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Speaker 8: And if if Belly and Diego and New Somewhere willia,
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Speaker 8: I'm glad. The only thing I would say in genuineness
13:41
Speaker 8: is when you're in DC, and we've seen this with
13:44
Speaker 8: people who become chair of the Armed Services a Committee,
13:47
Speaker 8: or who become vice president or president, the pressure is
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Speaker 8: immense and it's much more likely that anti war people
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Speaker 8: become pro war then you move in the other direction.
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Speaker 8: So what we really need in this party and in
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Speaker 8: this country. Are people who are going to have the
14:04
Speaker 8: courage to actually stand up to the generals, to the
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Speaker 8: neo kan establishment, to the think tanks, to the editorial boards. Uh,
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Speaker 8: and to actually shift policy. I mean, Trump, who ran
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Speaker 8: rhetorically against this has not done that. Uh. And so
14:22
Speaker 8: that that I think is, yes, we want to build
14:24
Speaker 8: a broad coalition, but we also want to see what
14:27
Speaker 8: are the proof points of courage that folks have demonstrated.
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Speaker 3: The Iran war is a is a moment where the
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Speaker 3: kind of tell correct me if you think I'm wrong here.
14:37
Speaker 3: The two issues that you've made most central to kind
14:40
Speaker 3: of who you are as a candidate as a politician
14:43
Speaker 3: are are intersecting. And that's and that's your focus on
14:45
Speaker 3: the economy for regular people and also all your focus
14:49
Speaker 3: on war. The war. You know, like you said the
14:52
Speaker 3: Moduro campaign, that that that doesn't really change people's day
14:56
Speaker 3: to day interaction with with the world as it this
15:00
Speaker 3: right around them. It's not and it's you know, maybe
15:02
Speaker 3: we'll have some influence on gas price as a tiny bit,
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Speaker 3: but it's it's not going to be significant in that sense.
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Speaker 3: The war on Iran is going at the kind of
15:12
Speaker 3: foundations of the global economic system right now. It was
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Speaker 3: it was interesting to hear Diego say We're going to
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Speaker 3: have the Golf States fund half of the war effort,
15:21
Speaker 3: as if the Golf State funding kind of just materializes
15:25
Speaker 3: out of thin air, like Americans kind of think that
15:27
Speaker 3: everything we have just comes down from the heavens upon us.
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, where do you think the Golf States
15:34
Speaker 3: get their money? They get their money from pumping fossil
15:37
Speaker 3: fuels out of the ground and then shipping them around
15:39
Speaker 3: the world and turning those into dollars, and they send
15:41
Speaker 3: the dollars into our economy. You may not have noticed
15:44
Speaker 3: a lot of that is not happening right now. So
15:47
Speaker 3: these Golf States, even if we wanted them to fund
15:50
Speaker 3: half of this war effort with what money, like, their
15:53
Speaker 3: economy is collapsing as we speak. So are people recognizing
15:59
Speaker 3: that because because of the intersection that you have of
16:01
Speaker 3: these two issues, I imagine that you're seeing this clearly
16:04
Speaker 3: unfold But I'm getting the sense that our lawmakers and
16:08
Speaker 3: also are public I think this is just another event
16:13
Speaker 3: that is unfolding on their phones that they are either
16:15
Speaker 3: for or against, but isn't really going to have a
16:17
Speaker 3: huge effect here. Gas price is surging again. Today oil
16:21
Speaker 3: prices are up close to ninety Now are they recognizing
16:25
Speaker 3: that yet or no, it's.
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Speaker 8: Slowly hitting them. But we've only been there a week,
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Speaker 8: and you know, I don't think they realize with the
16:36
Speaker 8: straight of Hormuz closing, how much of an impact that
16:39
Speaker 8: can have on global oil prices. I mean, already the
16:42
Speaker 8: average price I was seeing has gone up to three
16:44
Speaker 8: dollars and thirty cents. And gas prices matter. I mean,
16:48
Speaker 8: anyone asks President Biden how much they matter? I mean,
16:51
Speaker 8: these are this is the visible side of inflation for
16:56
Speaker 8: many people, rents and gas prices and grocery prices. So
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Speaker 8: I do think it is it is hitting folks, but
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Speaker 8: more delayed. I mean, I think over the next few
17:08
Speaker 8: weeks it'll become more apparent. And then I think the
17:10
Speaker 8: cost of it, I mean, we have to continue to
17:13
Speaker 8: remind people the billions of dollars are spending. I also
17:15
Speaker 8: find this idea that just somewhat offensive, which we're all
17:20
Speaker 8: let the Gulf States they say this about Pelisin, Let
17:22
Speaker 8: them just pay for the development of Pelistine. How about
17:24
Speaker 8: we stopped the occupation first, you know, I mean, it's
17:26
Speaker 8: not just a resource issue. It is a rights issue,
17:32
Speaker 8: and you know, I think we have a lot of
17:34
Speaker 8: misconceptions about the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Let me get your reaction, and Griffin, if you could
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Speaker 2: pull this up. I'm having trouble sharing my screen. But
17:45
Speaker 2: Trump was asked by Reuters about rising gas prices and
17:49
Speaker 2: he said, quote, I don't have any concern about it.
17:53
Speaker 2: They'll drop very rapidly when this is over, and if
17:56
Speaker 2: they rise, they rise. But this is far more important
18:00
Speaker 2: than having gasoline price go up a little bit, and
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Speaker 2: they haven't risen very much. The person who posted this
18:07
Speaker 2: as the White House correspondent from Riders said, by the way,
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Speaker 2: Triple A has national gas average up twenty seven cents
18:12
Speaker 2: from last week to three dollars twenty five cents per gallon.
18:16
Speaker 2: There was also a Politico report that they were they
18:19
Speaker 2: were caught off guard by the impact on oil and
18:22
Speaker 2: on gas prices, and they're trying to figure something out.
18:25
Speaker 2: They have not refilled the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which had
18:29
Speaker 2: been drawn down during the Biden administration, which means that
18:32
Speaker 2: they don't have, you know, a lot of tools in
18:34
Speaker 2: their jewelkit to do anything about this. And meanwhile, you know,
18:38
Speaker 2: the reports are that they're planning for this war to
18:41
Speaker 2: go into September. I would say that that's at this
18:44
Speaker 2: point an optimistic projection that it would only last till September.
18:49
Speaker 8: Well, this is the clearest evidence that Donald Trump may
18:52
Speaker 8: not be thinking of running in twenty twenty eight. Again,
18:55
Speaker 8: I mean, he's i think, unleashed from any politics. He's
18:59
Speaker 8: out there saying there could be threats to Americans, retaliation
19:03
Speaker 8: in our homeland. I mean, think about that. You're going
19:06
Speaker 8: to your target, you're going to the grocery store, and
19:08
Speaker 8: you may face your kids may face retaliation from Iran,
19:12
Speaker 8: and you're thinking, what the hell are we doing getting
19:14
Speaker 8: into this war? And then the gas prices that you're
19:16
Speaker 8: putting out up to almost three dollars or thirty cents,
19:19
Speaker 8: he said, well, that's just the price we need to pay.
19:21
Speaker 8: And he's a in one sense and as a traditional
19:24
Speaker 8: second term president, thinking about quote unquote his legacy, and
19:27
Speaker 8: he's been talked into this view that his legacy is
19:30
Speaker 8: going to be taking out the Iranian regime or changing
19:35
Speaker 8: the Iranian regime. And it's it's sad and it's dangerous,
19:38
Speaker 8: and the question is how do we stop him, especially
19:42
Speaker 8: when he seems not to care as much about the
19:46
Speaker 8: political consequence. I mean, both on Epstein and on Iran,
19:50
Speaker 8: he's acting like someone who cares more about his ideological
19:56
Speaker 8: pursuit of whatever he wants than the in public.
20:02
Speaker 3: You've got it. You've got a either a primary challenge
20:05
Speaker 3: threat or the oligarchs in your district actually found somebody
20:09
Speaker 3: to go up what's the status of your uh the
20:13
Speaker 3: the your competition for a primary? Because I've seen you know,
20:18
Speaker 3: a bunch of your your former friends on on Twitter,
20:20
Speaker 3: U deeply unhappy with the all in pod is very
20:24
Speaker 3: unhappy with.
20:27
Speaker 8: They're all outing, all out having a freak out over me.
20:31
Speaker 8: You know, it's funny because they they didn't care when
20:34
Speaker 8: I was for Medicare for all, or when I'm voting
20:36
Speaker 8: against these defense budgets or fould care ten dollars a
20:39
Speaker 8: day or a free public college. But you know, tax
20:42
Speaker 8: the billionaires, and that's we found the red line. We
20:45
Speaker 8: found the red line. But so they they've recruited this
20:48
Speaker 8: candidate who's who was basically saying that he's running because
20:53
Speaker 8: he believes in a that the billionaire tax is a
20:56
Speaker 8: tax in the middle class. That's his argument. Uh, actually
20:59
Speaker 8: it's a tax on billionaires and it would go to
21:03
Speaker 8: help two million Californians not lose insurance. But I guess
21:07
Speaker 8: you know, here's the broader point I'll make. There are
21:10
Speaker 8: a lot of people who are adopting now fortunately the
21:13
Speaker 8: language of economic populism. Let's be not against left and right.
21:20
Speaker 8: Let's be the real challenges top versus pot. You know,
21:24
Speaker 8: we need economic working class messaging, we need economic populism
21:28
Speaker 8: and all that is better, I guess than just saying
21:30
Speaker 8: we need incremental centrism. But if you're not willing then
21:33
Speaker 8: to say, okay, yeah, let's text the billionaires at five
21:36
Speaker 8: percent like Bernie and I want to do every year.
21:38
Speaker 8: Or let's have a tax of billionaires so that people
21:40
Speaker 8: don't lose healthcare. Or let's make sure we don't have
21:43
Speaker 8: private health insurance and have Medicare for all, or let's
21:46
Speaker 8: make sure we have free public college. That it's sort
21:48
Speaker 8: of empty rhetoric. And the question is we've won the
21:53
Speaker 8: rhetorical war the progressor but are we going to win
21:56
Speaker 8: the programmatic agenda? Because what you say saw with Bernie,
22:00
Speaker 8: or you see with AOC, or you see with Mandani
22:04
Speaker 8: or real progressives are not is not rhetorical they're actually
22:08
Speaker 8: committed to substantive policy change, and that I think is
22:13
Speaker 8: the real divide. I've had a.
22:17
Speaker 5: Question for you on big tech. I got a question
22:20
Speaker 5: for you with big tech in this war. There's been
22:24
Speaker 5: some reporting from the New York Times and Washington Post
22:27
Speaker 5: about the strike on the Iranian school that killed somewhat
22:32
Speaker 5: of like one hundred and seventy plus school children, and
22:35
Speaker 5: the Washington Post has reported that Anthropics Claude was used
22:40
Speaker 5: in some of those targeting systems. What do you think
22:44
Speaker 5: do these AI companies should they be working with this pentagon?
22:48
Speaker 5: And should these AI companies face any consequences if their
22:52
Speaker 5: technology is used to commit war crimes?
22:56
Speaker 8: Yes on the latter, and know if their technology is
22:59
Speaker 8: be used to make decisions about who to kill and
23:03
Speaker 8: who to strike. And I'm surprised Claude was used there
23:06
Speaker 8: given that Dario said that he that was a red
23:08
Speaker 8: line for him. So I'd have to look at the
23:11
Speaker 8: reporting because I do not think we should be using
23:13
Speaker 8: artificial intelligence to make decisions about killing human beings. Look,
23:16
Speaker 8: I believe that every human being has dignity and that
23:22
Speaker 8: while as a political matter, we have to care about
23:25
Speaker 8: our nation and America, that doesn't mean that the life
23:28
Speaker 8: of an Iranian schoolgirl has less dignity intrinsically as a
23:31
Speaker 8: human being than the life of an American. That's what
23:34
Speaker 8: we mean by God has created inalienable rights for every
23:38
Speaker 8: human being, and that Pete Exit saying it's PC to
23:42
Speaker 8: care about civilians is just so such a betrayal of
23:50
Speaker 8: every principle of the founding of this country. And it's
23:52
Speaker 8: sort of the Net and Yahoo approach in Gaza. And
23:57
Speaker 8: the question I think is broader. Yes, there's the question
23:59
Speaker 8: of a obviously, which we shouldn't have, but the question
24:04
Speaker 8: is do we believe in the dignity of every human life,
24:09
Speaker 8: or has America first becomes so warped that we actually
24:13
Speaker 8: believe that lives overseas, particularly lives in the Middle East,
24:16
Speaker 8: that maybe brown don't have the same human dignity, And that,
24:20
Speaker 8: to me is what's so tragic about what happened.
24:24
Speaker 7: The only point I was gonna make it wasn't even
24:25
Speaker 7: a question, was just your point about the rhetoric on
24:28
Speaker 7: the left changing and hoping that drags people in the
24:30
Speaker 7: substance along with it.
24:31
Speaker 4: It's so it's so paralleled.
24:33
Speaker 7: By what's happening with quote unquote America First, as you
24:35
Speaker 7: just pointed out right now, that there's a lot of
24:39
Speaker 7: excitement among genuine skeptics of interventionism on the right, that
24:44
Speaker 7: Donald Trump was talking this way and that Pete Heigseth
24:47
Speaker 7: was describing himself as a reformed Neocon. But it's all
24:50
Speaker 7: rhetoric until the substance is on the table, So not
24:52
Speaker 7: necessarily a question. I don't know if you've response to it, wrote,
24:54
Speaker 7: but it's how politics work.
24:56
Speaker 4: It's depressive.
24:57
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's why our politics for the last
25:00
Speaker 8: few decades hasn't been as serious and why there's so
25:03
Speaker 8: much cynicism about the country, because we've been such a
25:06
Speaker 8: marketing branding let's have the change candidate, generational change, new
25:13
Speaker 8: change outsider. But the presidents and leaders who made a
25:18
Speaker 8: real mark were substantive, Like we study FDR not because
25:21
Speaker 8: he had great speeches, but because he had programs that
25:25
Speaker 8: fundamentally changed people's lives. And of course, you know, I
25:28
Speaker 8: was a co chair of Bernie's campaign, but what drew
25:32
Speaker 8: me to Bernie was the was not I mean, he's
25:36
Speaker 8: he can rally people, and he had more people at
25:38
Speaker 8: Stanford when we were together than even President Obama did.
25:41
Speaker 8: But What drew me to him is the substantive ideas,
25:44
Speaker 8: the programmatic agenda that he was offering, and that I
25:49
Speaker 8: think is the challenge for the progressive movement. Now we're winning.
25:53
Speaker 8: I actually think we're a send it on the rhetoric,
25:56
Speaker 8: on the diagnosis of the problem. But we can't be
25:59
Speaker 8: co opted into just the branding without the fight, right.
26:04
Speaker 8: I mean, I could say, look, I'm against I think
26:08
Speaker 8: the problem in Silicon Valley is the top versus the bottom,
26:10
Speaker 8: and we need to hold billionaires accountable and billionaires need
26:13
Speaker 8: to pay their fair share and avoid a primary challenge.
26:16
Speaker 8: And still to be like, Okay, he's right or no,
26:20
Speaker 8: like no, I actually am going to support an initiative
26:23
Speaker 8: to raise their tax right and if you don't have
26:26
Speaker 8: that substance, then there's going to be no change.
26:29
Speaker 3: Now you hear from the billionaires, some of the billionaires
26:34
Speaker 3: just hate it, you know, and will openly admit that
26:37
Speaker 3: they hate it on the principle that don't take any
26:41
Speaker 3: of my stuff. It's all my stuff. I worked for it,
26:43
Speaker 3: you can't have any of it. A lot of the billionaires, though,
26:45
Speaker 3: will say we're only talking about a thousand people, so
26:47
Speaker 3: I don't want to pretend there's a whole lot of peoples,
26:49
Speaker 3: roughly a thousand people, but a lot of them will say,
26:52
Speaker 3: we should pay our fair share, we should give back.
26:54
Speaker 3: But this isn't workable because you're going to hurt you know, founders,
26:58
Speaker 3: and you're going to hurt you you're going to harm
27:01
Speaker 3: the economy. So they've set up this system where, you know,
27:05
Speaker 3: they they just accumulate assets and then they borrow against
27:08
Speaker 3: those assets, and they use that borrowing to fund their
27:11
Speaker 3: extremely lavish lifestyle, and then when they die, they pass
27:14
Speaker 3: it all down to the next generation without paying any taxes,
27:17
Speaker 3: and they never had any income then because it's just
27:19
Speaker 3: all asset growth and borrowing against the asset growth. So
27:22
Speaker 3: if you had any of these billionaires who claim that
27:26
Speaker 3: they agree with the principle that they should pay their
27:28
Speaker 3: fair share, come to you and say, talk to my accountant,
27:32
Speaker 3: and let's figure out a way that it actually is workable,
27:36
Speaker 3: you know, so that we're not you know, punishing you know,
27:38
Speaker 3: startup startups, and we're not undermining innovation. As if they
27:42
Speaker 3: care about innovation, they've spent the last fifteen years, you know,
27:45
Speaker 3: gobbling up company you know, startups and destroying them but
27:48
Speaker 3: let's pretend they do care about innovation. Has anybody come
27:50
Speaker 3: to you and said, Okay, you're wrong about this. I
27:52
Speaker 3: don't like the way you're doing it, but I agree
27:54
Speaker 3: with the principle. So here's here's the way you could
27:56
Speaker 3: actually do the thing that you're trying to do without,
27:59
Speaker 3: you know, squelching innovation.
28:01
Speaker 8: Yes, and you're right. Look, I think they're more than
28:04
Speaker 8: a thousand billionaires. There are certainly more billionaires on paper.
28:08
Speaker 8: And some of the folks are doing incredibly innovative things
28:10
Speaker 8: now they're benefiting from public investment and things that happened
28:14
Speaker 8: at Dartmouth and MIT and Stanford at Berkeley, which they
28:18
Speaker 8: don't often acknowledge. But yeah, there are a lot of
28:20
Speaker 8: people are hardworking and entrepreneurial and innovative, and they're right
28:25
Speaker 8: on an issue of paper billionaires in ill liquid stock.
28:28
Speaker 8: You don't want to tax that. But there are provisions
28:31
Speaker 8: that can be worked out by the IRS or the
28:34
Speaker 8: California Franchise Board. Let me give you a simple one.
28:37
Speaker 8: You could get a non recourse loan on your pledge stock.
28:41
Speaker 8: What does that mean. Let's say your company is worth
28:43
Speaker 8: a billion dollars and you have to pay a five
28:46
Speaker 8: percent tax. So you put say, okay, I will give
28:48
Speaker 8: you this five percent in stock as collateral. You give
28:52
Speaker 8: me a loan to pay the tax. You can't come
28:55
Speaker 8: after me personally, so it's non recourse. And if the
28:59
Speaker 8: stock goes down, then you know, I'm not liable for it.
29:03
Speaker 8: But the stock could also go up, right, So any
29:06
Speaker 8: of these problems have simple workarounds, and they're using them
29:13
Speaker 8: because they're opposed to the tax, not because they're looking
29:18
Speaker 8: for a creative solution. If they are, you know, I've
29:22
Speaker 8: offered one on the issue of ill liquid stocks that
29:25
Speaker 8: would solve a lot of those concerns.
29:29
Speaker 6: Congers.
29:29
Speaker 2: And finally, did want to get your reaction to the
29:31
Speaker 2: jobs report that we just got out this morning, Griff
29:34
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have those numbers to pull,
29:36
Speaker 2: but according to the official government numbers, we lost ninety
29:41
Speaker 2: two thousand jobs last month. That was a huge miss
29:46
Speaker 2: from what had been expected. The unemployment rate also ticked up.
29:50
Speaker 2: The previous months have also been revised downward, so there
29:55
Speaker 2: was very little job creation overall in the entire year
29:59
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, and I believe it was in
30:00
Speaker 2: the month of December there was actually a net loss here,
30:03
Speaker 2: So here you can see the numbers. Ninety two thousand
30:06
Speaker 2: jobs lost below expectations of a fifty eight.
30:08
Speaker 6: Thousand job gain.
30:10
Speaker 2: Unemployment rate is four point four percent, above expectations of
30:14
Speaker 2: four point three percent, and this is just the second
30:17
Speaker 2: monthly job loss we have seen since the twenty twenty pandemic.
30:22
Speaker 2: You know, what is your reaction to these numbers in
30:25
Speaker 2: your sense of where the country is economically right now?
30:28
Speaker 2: Do you think that AI also is playing a role
30:30
Speaker 2: in this job loss?
30:32
Speaker 8: I do. I mean, I'm obviously sad and concerned by it,
30:35
Speaker 8: but I'm not surprised. As someone who taught economics is
30:40
Speaker 8: a visiting lecture at Stanford before getting into politics, I
30:42
Speaker 8: was probably going to be an academic. You know, I've
30:45
Speaker 8: always been surprised that we haven't seen these numbers yet
30:50
Speaker 8: for a number of reasons. Look, when you blanket restrict
30:52
Speaker 8: immigration as this president has, and you have blanket tariffs
30:57
Speaker 8: as this president has, and skew an economy where you're
31:01
Speaker 8: just going to apply tax breaks to the very wealthy
31:03
Speaker 8: and not invest in consumer spending for working in middle
31:07
Speaker 8: classes as president has, you're going to have an impact
31:10
Speaker 8: on slowing down the economy and causing unemployment, and you
31:15
Speaker 8: know he's been skirting by. But anecdotally, I mean, talk
31:19
Speaker 8: to people who are graduating school as all if you have,
31:22
Speaker 8: or just high school, even college, even prestigious colleges, and
31:25
Speaker 8: they're saying they're having a hard time in the job market.
31:27
Speaker 8: And then I think AI is adding to that. Not
31:30
Speaker 8: just anecdotally, but there's a paper at Stanford that shows
31:33
Speaker 8: that there's a sixteen percent job loss for young people
31:36
Speaker 8: under twenty five in AI exposed professions and coding and
31:40
Speaker 8: customer support. And you know, you have to still disaggregate
31:45
Speaker 8: the data, but that's adding to it as well. So
31:47
Speaker 8: all of this says is that we need an actual
31:49
Speaker 8: economic policy, a job's policy that's going to hire people,
31:52
Speaker 8: with the federal government getting involved, in my view, and
31:55
Speaker 8: hiring and preventing mass displacement. We need a policy that's
31:58
Speaker 8: going to actually focus on the working in middle class
32:01
Speaker 8: again to have consumer spending. We need a policy that's
32:04
Speaker 8: actually going to have industrial investments across this country. And
32:08
Speaker 8: you have, unfortunately, a president who has the exact opposite view.
32:11
Speaker 8: And I really believe it's like the nineteen twenties where
32:15
Speaker 8: you had Mellon, who was the Treasury secretary, basically saying,
32:20
Speaker 8: only a few elites really drive the economy to hoover
32:23
Speaker 8: and the rest are just a waste and we need
32:25
Speaker 8: to skew all of our policy to them. And they did,
32:28
Speaker 8: and they caused a great depression. I'm not saying that
32:31
Speaker 8: we're going to have a great depression, but we've got mismanagement.
32:34
Speaker 8: And the opportunity for the Democrats in twenty six and
32:37
Speaker 8: twenty eight is to have a real new deal moment
32:40
Speaker 8: that helps rebuild the economy of this nation.
32:43
Speaker 3: Have you been tooling around with any new policies to
32:47
Speaker 3: address this? And shortcut Chaker Barty, who I think you
32:51
Speaker 3: know that.
32:52
Speaker 8: Is running a great campaign up in San Francisco and
32:55
Speaker 8: as a real shot.
32:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he was on his on Piker's show
33:00
Speaker 3: this week and was saying that what you know, for instance,
33:04
Speaker 3: one of the one of the ideas that he threw
33:05
Speaker 3: out was there needs to be more thought about the
33:07
Speaker 3: public's involvement in the economy and that if AI is
33:11
Speaker 3: able to drive the cost of providing something to the
33:14
Speaker 3: public down to basically zero, that that should no longer
33:18
Speaker 3: be controlled privately by oligarchs, that the government. Then if
33:22
Speaker 3: it is really zero that the government should be able
33:24
Speaker 3: to then just provide it for people. We're like that,
33:29
Speaker 3: that's just one like kind of new idea about how
33:33
Speaker 3: you have to reorient your thinking about an economy that
33:38
Speaker 3: you know is going to be you know, cost free
33:40
Speaker 3: for a lot of the services, just aside from you know,
33:42
Speaker 3: if you can solve the you know, the compute and
33:44
Speaker 3: the energy problem, of course, but although that it wouldn't
33:48
Speaker 3: cost as much as the oligarchs are kind of extracting
33:51
Speaker 3: from the economy. In other words, is there any so
33:53
Speaker 3: is there anything you're kicking around like, because we're entering
33:56
Speaker 3: a new kind of series of social relations to the economy.
34:02
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I mean I've called for a new tech
34:05
Speaker 8: social contract and I laid out seven principles at a
34:08
Speaker 8: speech recently with Bernice Andrews at Stanford. But one of
34:11
Speaker 8: the ideas that I believe is that we should have
34:14
Speaker 8: like a Civilian Conservation Corps of federal Future Workforce Administration
34:17
Speaker 8: that hires people right out of high school, right out
34:20
Speaker 8: of college both to go into their community to rebuild
34:23
Speaker 8: those communities, do childcare jobs, elder care jobs, counseling jobs,
34:27
Speaker 8: and or to to work in the federal government to
34:31
Speaker 8: do renewable energy or moonshot projects or im improve customer service.
34:34
Speaker 8: And it should be paid for by both a wealth
34:37
Speaker 8: tax attack on billionaires and attax on token on AI
34:41
Speaker 8: use on enterprise AI use that would generate a public
34:46
Speaker 8: return for employment from the automation that may be caused
34:52
Speaker 8: by AI. We can go to other policies, but the
34:57
Speaker 8: other thing I believe is that we need to be
34:58
Speaker 8: protecting human beings and make sure truck drivers aren't losing
35:01
Speaker 8: their jobs, make sure that uh, there's not mass displacement
35:05
Speaker 8: in industries that you need a human being in the loop.
35:08
Speaker 8: So I certainly think that there's this opportunity now for
35:12
Speaker 8: a strong economic jobs agenda that because the impact is
35:17
Speaker 8: not just on blue collar workers, it's also on white
35:19
Speaker 8: collar workers.
35:21
Speaker 6: All right, well, Commerce, and thank you for your time
35:23
Speaker 6: this morning.
35:24
Speaker 2: I think I speak for an audience when I say
35:25
Speaker 2: thank you for your leadership on the War Powers resolution
35:28
Speaker 2: and any number of other issues. Are always grateful for
35:30
Speaker 2: your for a chance to get to speak with you,
35:33
Speaker 2: So thank you.
35:34
Speaker 8: Always enjoyed thanks for having me.
35:39
Speaker 6: All right, thank you, Roe, Thanks thanks much.
35:41
Speaker 8: Great, thank you.
35:45
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I think we should pick up with
35:47
Speaker 5: some more updates.
35:49
Speaker 3: On the Iran war.
35:51
Speaker 5: Why don't we start with a little bit of new
35:53
Speaker 5: comments from our president here?
35:56
Speaker 8: So what's left? But they're tough and they want to fight,
36:01
Speaker 8: and they're calling. They're saying, how do we make it deal?
36:04
Speaker 8: I said, you're being a little bit late, and we
36:07
Speaker 8: want to fight now more than they do. We've had
36:12
Speaker 8: forty seven years depending on the way you counted.
36:15
Speaker 3: All right, we want to fight now more than they do.
36:19
Speaker 3: Who's the WII.
36:21
Speaker 2: A great question, great question, certainly not the vast majority
36:28
Speaker 2: of the country. Certainly he's not sending Baron over to fight,
36:32
Speaker 2: so apparently the we doesn't include him. I mean I also, yeah, yeah, exactly,
36:38
Speaker 2: Sen Lindsey Grahmman. You know he's not too old, judging
36:41
Speaker 2: by the Ukrainian military standards. Get him on the front lines. No,
36:45
Speaker 2: I mean, Brian, I'm curious, based on you know, the
36:47
Speaker 2: reporting you guys have been doing over at drop site,
36:49
Speaker 2: I don't think this is accurate. It seems to me
36:52
Speaker 2: that the Iranians have decided they don't want a ceasefire,
36:55
Speaker 2: yet they feel that they need to exact some more
36:59
Speaker 2: pain and punish, you know, the US and Israel and
37:02
Speaker 2: the Golf allies to try to deter them from going
37:06
Speaker 2: down this path again. So, you know, I think this
37:09
Speaker 2: is this is just a flat out lie as far
37:10
Speaker 2: as I can tell from the President of like, Oh,
37:12
Speaker 2: they totally want to talk, but we're not interested. You know,
37:15
Speaker 2: we really want to keep fighting. When in actuality, she
37:19
Speaker 2: was thinking he'd be able to go in and have
37:21
Speaker 2: some sort of glorious mission accomplished moment moment, and then
37:25
Speaker 2: the Iranians would come back to the Hey please, sir, please,
37:28
Speaker 2: can we go back and you know, or diplomas, yeah,
37:31
Speaker 2: et cetera. And obviously that didn't work out because that
37:34
Speaker 2: was idiotic from the jump, and now they're having to
37:37
Speaker 2: scramble and figure out what comes next.
37:39
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that is a lie. Now there could
37:42
Speaker 3: always be back channel communications that we don't know about.
37:47
Speaker 4: And that Trump is just alluding to.
37:50
Speaker 3: Ye're right, I think it's made up. Jeremy My colleaguelver
37:53
Speaker 3: Jobsite spoke with the Deputy Foreign Minister of Roan on
37:57
Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon local time and him that directly and they
38:01
Speaker 3: and he said absolutely not there there's and he said,
38:06
Speaker 3: like how stupid it is all close to a direct woe.
38:10
Speaker 3: But he's like, how stupid would we have to be
38:13
Speaker 3: to immediately enter into negotiations with this, with this country
38:16
Speaker 3: that has shown that it is not willing to abide
38:20
Speaker 3: by any of the norms of negotiations. You know, they
38:23
Speaker 3: were scheduled to meet in Geneva on Monday when the
38:29
Speaker 3: US and Israel launched the war on Saturday, and you know,
38:33
Speaker 3: right out of the gate bombing the school down in
38:35
Speaker 3: monob in southern Iran. And back in June, they were
38:40
Speaker 3: also scheduled to meet in Moscot like a day later
38:43
Speaker 3: or something to go over technical details, like a lot
38:45
Speaker 3: of the hard things had allegedly been worked out. And
38:49
Speaker 3: so he said no like And he also asked him,
38:53
Speaker 3: do you see this as a kind of a war
38:55
Speaker 3: for positioning and negotiations or more of an existential war,
38:58
Speaker 3: And he said, we see this as an existential war.
39:01
Speaker 3: So from their perspective, they believe that the US is
39:06
Speaker 3: trying to wipe them off the map. And so if
39:09
Speaker 3: you believe that, then you have to then hit back,
39:14
Speaker 3: and you have to take a huge chunk out of
39:17
Speaker 3: the US in Israel to make it costly to them.
39:21
Speaker 3: And they very clearly seem aimed at at the global
39:25
Speaker 3: economy and in particular the Western economy as it orients
39:30
Speaker 3: itself around like Dubai and cutter and the kind of
39:34
Speaker 3: flows of natural gas and oil. There was some reporting
39:38
Speaker 3: where they said where they commented that, you know, they
39:42
Speaker 3: want to turn Dubai into Kuwait. Basically they said, you know,
39:46
Speaker 3: Kuwait in nineteen ninety one was like the Dubai of
39:48
Speaker 3: the region and never quite recovered from the Iraq war.
39:54
Speaker 3: Kuwait is very wealthy country. They're doing extremely well, but
39:57
Speaker 3: they're not Dubai. And their argument is that it's because
40:01
Speaker 3: of that, you know, that experience of violence. It's very
40:06
Speaker 3: difficult to create this like Western expat culture. If people
40:10
Speaker 3: think that their apartment building is going to be knocked
40:12
Speaker 3: down at at any at any moment, and so they're
40:15
Speaker 3: trying to it sounds like inflict that kind of pain
40:20
Speaker 3: on these on these Gulf states. They have they've knocked out,
40:25
Speaker 3: you know, significant elements of of the American radar system,
40:29
Speaker 3: radar and early warning systems. Uh. They they themselves have
40:33
Speaker 3: had a lot of their launch capacity obliterated by the
40:37
Speaker 3: United States, but they've continued to be able to launch
40:40
Speaker 3: launch drones, and they're now moving into their more expensive
40:44
Speaker 3: and more sophisticated and newer ballistic missiles, which is terrible
40:49
Speaker 3: news for for Israel because at the same time that
40:53
Speaker 3: Israel has you know, has less early warning capacity and
40:56
Speaker 3: has drained their you know, their defense capacity, Iran is
41:00
Speaker 3: now shifting to it's you know, more sophisticated, more and
41:04
Speaker 3: and you know these missiles that have much more kind
41:07
Speaker 3: of maneuverability and are much more difficult for the Patriot
41:10
Speaker 3: and THAD systems to intercept. You know, the you know,
41:16
Speaker 3: lateral gas production is shut down and cutter. Uh, the
41:19
Speaker 3: you know, the straits are closed, the oil prices are surging.
41:22
Speaker 3: Asia is like choking from you know, Asia is choking
41:26
Speaker 3: more than we are because like you know, goes from
41:30
Speaker 3: the Strait of Formouse through the Indian Ocean and over
41:32
Speaker 3: to over to Asia first. But our supply chains are
41:35
Speaker 3: directly linked, like you know, whether it's copper or chlorine
41:39
Speaker 3: or anything else, like it all relies on these uh,
41:44
Speaker 3: these global supplies continuing to move. They you know, Iran
41:49
Speaker 3: in what you'd have to have to call a war crime.
41:52
Speaker 3: They had they hit another tanker with you know, which
41:55
Speaker 3: was an unarmed civilian piece of infrastructure. They but they've
41:59
Speaker 3: promised that they're going to do that like that's they've said,
42:01
Speaker 3: this trade is closed and if ships try to go
42:03
Speaker 3: through it, we're going to attack them. That's against international law.
42:07
Speaker 3: But both you know, neither side has shown any respect
42:10
Speaker 3: for it. The you have a lot of last last
42:12
Speaker 3: point you have. I've seen a lot of israelis Israeli
42:15
Speaker 3: officials complaining about what they're calling cluster munitions that Iran
42:20
Speaker 3: is using to try to get around I've got a
42:22
Speaker 3: video of it here defense missiles. UH Israel. Neither Israel
42:28
Speaker 3: nor i Ron ever signed the Convention on clutter Munitions.
42:32
Speaker 3: UH Israel has spent the last you know, many decades
42:38
Speaker 3: actively mocking the idea of international law. Ah, pushing sanctions
42:45
Speaker 3: on the people who are on judges, who were on
42:47
Speaker 3: the International Criminal Court and the i JC. So to
42:52
Speaker 3: now kind of reach for international law as you know,
42:57
Speaker 3: when you're getting attacked, I think it's probably going to
43:01
Speaker 3: strike a lot of peoples as hypocritical and inconsistent. So, yes,
43:05
Speaker 3: our class communitions against international law only for the only
43:09
Speaker 3: for the countries that signed onto it is you'll never
43:12
Speaker 3: signed onto it.
43:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I mean this is something of course,
43:16
Speaker 2: you know, we've been warning about obviously with Gaza, but
43:19
Speaker 2: you know, going back longer to the War on Terror, etc.
43:22
Speaker 2: And the you know, war crimes prior to the Gaza
43:25
Speaker 2: genocide era. But you know, once you take international law
43:29
Speaker 2: off the table, it's off the table for everyone, you know,
43:31
Speaker 2: and that means right now we have not only our
43:34
Speaker 2: service members in the region, we have you know, a
43:36
Speaker 2: million Americans who are basically stuck because the airports are
43:39
Speaker 2: all closed and the government didn't give them any warning.
43:42
Speaker 2: And now lo and behold oopsis you're all at risk.
43:45
Speaker 2: And so you know, that law of the jungle, that barbarism,
43:49
Speaker 2: that Pandora's box that you've opened up, that is already
43:53
Speaker 2: putting you know, not just the the bad guys that
43:56
Speaker 2: you don't like if you're Donald Trump or Benjamin Nett, Yahoo,
43:59
Speaker 2: but that's putting your own people at risk as well.
44:02
Speaker 6: That is the world that you have yourself created.
44:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I don't even like, yes, it's
44:08
Speaker 2: it's a war crime to attack those you know, those tankers,
44:11
Speaker 2: the attacks on the like luxury hotels where they seem
44:16
Speaker 2: to think that us a service personnel are staying Now,
44:19
Speaker 2: you know what the Israelis would argue there though, Oh
44:22
Speaker 2: they you know, they're they're using those Yeah, those people's
44:26
Speaker 2: human shields because they shouldn't be there in that civilian infrastructure.
44:29
Speaker 6: So that gives us the right to be able to
44:30
Speaker 6: bomb the hell out of it. Yeah, well, well that's true too.
44:33
Speaker 8: Yeah.
44:34
Speaker 2: So you know, I just I think it will fall
44:37
Speaker 2: on deaf years if they try to complain about, you know,
44:40
Speaker 2: a tanker being struck when meanwhile, you know, you've just
44:43
Speaker 2: bombed a girls' school and murdered some one hundred and
44:45
Speaker 2: seventy little girls.
44:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they hit ray, found a la rear in
44:49
Speaker 3: a second floor apartment, a poet with a precision strike.
44:54
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and that's just that's just one. That's just
44:59
Speaker 3: one strike, right.
45:00
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean we assassinated their head of state,
45:03
Speaker 2: like we murdered their head of state. That's that is
45:06
Speaker 2: not that is not consistent with international law. So yeah,
45:10
Speaker 2: I mean that this is the world they have created.
45:12
Speaker 2: Don't be surprised when your adversaries also then ignore, you know,
45:16
Speaker 2: the rules that protect civilians and protect civilian infrastructure.
45:20
Speaker 7: Well, also, they like to wax poetic about fanaticism in
45:27
Speaker 7: the Iranian government. And we got in a little bit
45:29
Speaker 7: with Sager yesterday Chrystal to some of that element of
45:33
Speaker 7: this you just mentioned. We killed their leader who was
45:36
Speaker 7: saying it was his greatest wish to be martyred and
45:40
Speaker 7: not die basically normal death. And that discussion was specifically,
45:45
Speaker 7: it wasn't about Shia Islam or Islam in general, specifically
45:47
Speaker 7: about the IRGC's theology, and the neo Khans love to
45:53
Speaker 7: bang that drum over and over again as an excuse
45:56
Speaker 7: not to go to war. And then you realize, yes,
45:59
Speaker 7: the i GC had a lot of its command taken out,
46:02
Speaker 7: it's still it's still functioning. Right now, what's potentially on
46:06
Speaker 7: the table is how many sun taking over. And now
46:09
Speaker 7: you have people who watch what happened at the girls
46:11
Speaker 7: school and see their leader being.
46:15
Speaker 4: As he would have said, martyred.
46:19
Speaker 7: Why is this a better situation by your own logic,
46:23
Speaker 7: borrowing their own argument here, Why are you now in
46:26
Speaker 7: a better situation in the long term, when to Ryan's point,
46:30
Speaker 7: these drones.
46:32
Speaker 4: Are so cheap to produce.
46:33
Speaker 7: You can't bomb the knowledge a way of how to
46:36
Speaker 7: make the drones. You can't bomb the knowledge away of
46:38
Speaker 7: how to make the missiles and you certainly aren't going
46:40
Speaker 7: to bomb away the ideology, buy your own argument. So
46:46
Speaker 7: I don't know why anybody would feel safer right now.
46:48
Speaker 2: They reduced gosit of rubble and still and you know,
46:51
Speaker 2: did not get rid of a musk. No, So you
46:54
Speaker 2: think in a large country, ninety million people, that this
46:57
Speaker 2: is good, that this is going to work out this
46:59
Speaker 2: time when literally, in all of aviation history, it has
47:03
Speaker 2: not succeeded to create regime change using air power alone. Now,
47:09
Speaker 2: can they you know, can they collapse the country? Can
47:12
Speaker 2: they create chaos civil war? That's obviously the goal at
47:16
Speaker 2: this point, and you know, maybe maybe they'll be able
47:19
Speaker 2: to accomplish that.
47:20
Speaker 8: Well.
47:21
Speaker 5: Speaking of chaos and Emily, I wanted to get your
47:23
Speaker 5: reaction to this comment from Trump. From Time asked whether
47:27
Speaker 5: Americans should be worried about retaliatory attacks at home. Trump
47:31
Speaker 5: acknowledges the possibility. I guess he says, like I said,
47:36
Speaker 5: some people will die when you go to war.
47:38
Speaker 3: Some people will die.
47:40
Speaker 7: Now he's what does a cartoon make of that?
47:43
Speaker 4: It does cartoon villian behavior.
47:45
Speaker 3: And what with this ortalitory is a cartoon that some
47:48
Speaker 3: of you may die and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to.
47:50
Speaker 5: Make Yeah, m yes, we're we're doing the Shrek philosophia
48:00
Speaker 5: on the world stage. But what would that mean retaliatory
48:05
Speaker 5: attacks at home?
48:07
Speaker 7: Well, I mean there's a serious problem of I mean,
48:12
Speaker 7: what we saw in Austin doesn't appear to have been
48:15
Speaker 7: connected to some broader network or anything like that yet,
48:19
Speaker 7: but yeah, there could be, like intelligence, I don't know
48:23
Speaker 7: to what extent we can believe it, but obviously US
48:26
Speaker 7: intelligence does believe they're like quote unquote sleeper cell of
48:31
Speaker 7: Iranian like agents in the country who would absolutely do
48:37
Speaker 7: what we have seen terrorists do for decades, which is
48:41
Speaker 7: infiltrate the country and you know, attack civilians at bars
48:48
Speaker 7: wherever it's We've seen it in Europe, we've seen it here.
48:53
Speaker 7: And so that the cavalier attitude that the president expressed
48:58
Speaker 7: right there. If you see another Austin situation, especially one
49:02
Speaker 7: that is connected to some obvious broader operation, that comes
49:07
Speaker 7: back to haunt him, it's a remarkable it's not surprising,
49:11
Speaker 7: but his messaging, the administration's messaging, it's completely all over
49:15
Speaker 7: the place. He's saying wild stuff. Republicans in support in
49:20
Speaker 7: polling have very high levels of support right now. And
49:24
Speaker 7: you know, I take calls on the serious XM show
49:27
Speaker 7: that I do every day, and it's it reminds me
49:29
Speaker 7: a lot of Iraq and that people are saying, you
49:32
Speaker 7: don't criticize troops while we are at war. So that's
49:36
Speaker 7: that's kind of the sentiment that's building. And Trump probably
49:39
Speaker 7: knows that. But independent voters, Democrat voters certainly, but independent
49:45
Speaker 7: voters who Republicans need, they will be furious.
49:49
Speaker 4: I mean, that doesn't fly.
49:51
Speaker 7: That saying that type of stuff doesn't fly with independent voters.
49:55
Speaker 4: That's a that's a truly crazy thing to say.
49:57
Speaker 7: And what's definitely not going to fly is if you
50:00
Speaker 7: attack Aron and then you see you see bursts of
50:06
Speaker 7: potentially I hope not, but if there is terrorism. And
50:09
Speaker 7: Trump said, well, yeah, this is what happens in war. Great,
50:14
Speaker 7: that's Republicans will be answering for that for.
50:18
Speaker 3: Ten years, right.
50:19
Speaker 5: And is he almost hoping for that to happen to
50:22
Speaker 5: sort of improve the war morale? I mean, this war
50:25
Speaker 5: is insanely unpopular. Is this the like false flag attack
50:29
Speaker 5: they're hoping jin's up support back home?
50:33
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think you. No. I
50:35
Speaker 3: think he's very sensitive to to like American service member
50:40
Speaker 3: casualties as well. I also would caution on the insanely unpopular.
50:44
Speaker 3: I don't know, like what are the the you know,
50:48
Speaker 3: the polling they're.
50:49
Speaker 4: Now showing more of a fifty to fifty split.
50:52
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, So we need to like understand that this
50:54
Speaker 3: is this is the United States of America, and it's
50:57
Speaker 3: you can get people to rally around military assaults around
51:02
Speaker 3: the world.
51:04
Speaker 2: So that the polls shifted because the initial polls that
51:06
Speaker 2: came out had it like twenty five percent support support yeaheah.
51:10
Speaker 4: I saw two polls.
51:11
Speaker 7: One was a Fox News poll and one was a
51:14
Speaker 7: outright Republican poll if I remember correctly, that had it
51:17
Speaker 7: more like fifty to fifty, but it was like forty
51:19
Speaker 7: nine forty eight.
51:19
Speaker 4: It's somewhere around there.
51:21
Speaker 3: It's it feels like a yeah, I wish it hadn't happened.
51:24
Speaker 3: I was against it the idea of it, but now
51:26
Speaker 3: that it's happening, I'm going to support. I'm going to
51:29
Speaker 3: support my country. We're Alyssa Slotkin approach. We're in it.
51:33
Speaker 3: We're in it. We actually have a survey out in
51:35
Speaker 3: the field right now, so we'll see what it see
51:38
Speaker 3: what ours comes back with. But so I know, I
51:43
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think he wants to see that
51:46
Speaker 3: type of things. I think that like, I think that
51:48
Speaker 3: hurts him because I don't think this isn't two thousand
51:52
Speaker 3: and one where I think if we start getting hit
51:58
Speaker 3: at home I'm war American serviceman or casualties continue to climb,
52:04
Speaker 3: then I don't think that creates a rally around the flag.
52:06
Speaker 3: I think that creates a I didn't like this in
52:08
Speaker 3: the first place. I was willing to give this the
52:10
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt. Then maybe it would turn out wonderfully
52:12
Speaker 3: and beautifully like with Maduro, but it's not. It's awful.
52:17
Speaker 3: The world's falling apart and people are dying, and we
52:20
Speaker 3: need to end this. So I think it goes the
52:22
Speaker 3: opposite direction.
52:23
Speaker 2: It's crazy the media propaganda doing its work there to
52:26
Speaker 2: get it to fifty to fifty. I just saw the
52:28
Speaker 2: Fox News pall. That's wild. I also wanted to flag,
52:32
Speaker 2: and we talked a little bit about the oil. But
52:34
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is really, honestly, if anything,
52:36
Speaker 2: under sold in terms of the impact, and again insane
52:40
Speaker 2: that the administration apparently didn't think this through in terms
52:44
Speaker 2: of how it would impact people's daily lives. But The
52:48
Speaker 2: Financial Times had an exclusive with the Qatari energy minister
52:52
Speaker 2: and he warned that war in the Middle East could
52:54
Speaker 2: quote bring down the economies of the world, predicting all
52:58
Speaker 2: Gulf energy experts will shut down production within weeks and
53:02
Speaker 2: drive oil to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel.
53:07
Speaker 2: And basically what they said is if they hadn't declared
53:10
Speaker 2: force masure, which is like, you know, act of God,
53:13
Speaker 2: yet they're going to like between the you know, risk
53:17
Speaker 2: to the energy infrastructure, which you know Iran has been
53:20
Speaker 2: has been hitting. They sort of deny this, but in
53:23
Speaker 2: any case, there has been impacts on some of the
53:25
Speaker 2: energy infrastructure in the oil fields directly, and then the
53:29
Speaker 2: closing of the Strait of Horror moves between all of
53:31
Speaker 2: these risks. Yeah, you're going to have continually spiking oil
53:36
Speaker 2: prices and it is going already having an impact at
53:40
Speaker 2: the pump. You can go and watch them changing the
53:43
Speaker 2: price of gas per gallon. And of course you know
53:46
Speaker 2: we've done next to no work to In fact, this
53:49
Speaker 2: administration is adamantly opposed any sort of renewable energy or
53:53
Speaker 2: electric vehicles, So you're completely screwed. If that's you know,
53:57
Speaker 2: if those are the costs that are going into like
53:59
Speaker 2: literally everything and certainly into transportation, and they don't actually
54:03
Speaker 2: have to hit the infrastructure itself because if you can
54:07
Speaker 2: and people probably know this, but if you can block
54:10
Speaker 2: the ships, then the production the oil and the gas
54:15
Speaker 2: that you produce has nowhere to go.
54:17
Speaker 3: You can't put it anywhere. There's only so much kind
54:21
Speaker 3: of storage storage. Bull Ships aren't getting in, ships aren't
54:25
Speaker 3: getting out, and so even if you have a functional
54:29
Speaker 3: production facility, you have to shut it down otherwise where's
54:33
Speaker 3: it go. Venezuela had the same problem because they couldn't
54:36
Speaker 3: they couldn't unload all of the stuff that they had offshore.
54:39
Speaker 3: So Trump really actually genuinely helped out their industry by
54:42
Speaker 3: moving a lot of that offshore and then they could
54:44
Speaker 3: start producing again. But so they had to shut down,
54:46
Speaker 3: and it causes huge problems. Like it's not as simple
54:51
Speaker 3: as being like, all right, you know what, we don't
54:52
Speaker 3: have anywhere to put the oil or the gas, like
54:54
Speaker 3: shut this down. It's like it's a very expensive and
54:57
Speaker 3: complex process to safely shut it down, and then it's
55:02
Speaker 3: a very complex and expensive process to start it up again.
55:06
Speaker 3: And all the money that the golf countries were going
55:08
Speaker 3: to give to Barry Weiss to take over Paramount and
55:11
Speaker 3: CNN and all these other things. Uh, oh, that could
55:15
Speaker 3: be a force major. It could be like, that's that's
55:17
Speaker 3: under threat right now. Yeah, they were fifty.
55:25
Speaker 2: And they also some of the golf states, I think
55:27
Speaker 2: also to the Financial Times were like, yeah, they made
55:30
Speaker 2: all these promises to Trumpet, Oh, we're going to invest
55:33
Speaker 2: fifty bajillion dollars in your economy. Now they're like, yeah,
55:37
Speaker 2: I don't think so, we're going to need this money. Now,
55:40
Speaker 2: we're going to We're clawing that back. We're going to
55:42
Speaker 2: need this to be able to you know, to try
55:44
Speaker 2: to beg you for more interceptors that we can buy
55:47
Speaker 2: or you know, whatever we can do to protect our people,
55:49
Speaker 2: and you don't continue to fund our our economies, fund
55:52
Speaker 2: our societies.
55:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I don't even know that.
55:56
Speaker 7: It's had to have occurred to Jared Kushner and Steve
56:03
Speaker 7: Whitkoff that a lot of these downstream effects would indeed happen.
56:09
Speaker 7: And when you look at Trump the way he's described
56:14
Speaker 7: his own thinking and his own strategy over the last week,
56:17
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're Marko Rubio or your Pete Hegseth,
56:20
Speaker 7: then you have to go out and describe or Caroline Levitt,
56:23
Speaker 7: you have to go out and describe the objectives, as
56:25
Speaker 7: Caroline put out a list of the objectives after the
56:28
Speaker 7: first few days of the war, because.
56:31
Speaker 4: Nobody knew what it actually was.
56:32
Speaker 7: You were getting so many different It was the nukes,
56:35
Speaker 7: it was the missiles, well, it was the Iranian it
56:37
Speaker 7: was for the freedom of the Iranian people. It just, honestly,
56:41
Speaker 7: it sounds crazy to say, but honestly looks like Trump
56:43
Speaker 7: has been freelancing the strategy and that there wasn't he
56:47
Speaker 7: just he.
56:50
Speaker 4: Said, we're going to do it. We're going to do
56:51
Speaker 4: it now. Time is right.
56:54
Speaker 7: We'll figure the rest of it out because I can
56:56
Speaker 7: make deals. That's my best description.
56:58
Speaker 3: And it's so strikingly against his own personal self interest,
57:03
Speaker 3: Like he is aware that he has become a billionaire
57:07
Speaker 3: by extracting golf wealth and taking it personally.
57:12
Speaker 7: He also is aware, yeah, the Trump golf there's the
57:15
Speaker 7: Trump organization is building a golfers ort in the UAE,
57:18
Speaker 7: isn't it of him?
57:20
Speaker 3: And he's also aware that the American economy is propped
57:23
Speaker 3: up by an AI bubble that is funded by golf investment.
57:28
Speaker 3: So like just from a cynical personal perspective when it
57:33
Speaker 3: comes to either his stewardship over the economy or his
57:36
Speaker 3: own personal wealth, like taking a hatchet to the to
57:41
Speaker 3: the leg that is on which this like rickety economy
57:45
Speaker 3: and his own rickety wealth is rested, is insane. Like
57:51
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
57:52
Speaker 7: But ro mentioned immigration, But yeah, again, like think it
57:56
Speaker 7: from Trump's perspective. He's doing mass deportations, he's doing blanket tariffs,
58:02
Speaker 7: and there's lots of uncertainty of the tariffs. Now you're
58:05
Speaker 7: adding artificial intelligence, massive effects potentially to the job market
58:11
Speaker 7: very soon, and then war on top of all of that.
58:14
Speaker 7: Maybe the explanations he thought the war could be the
58:17
Speaker 7: catch all blame scapegoat for problems in the economy. It's
58:22
Speaker 7: possible to me that he says, well, you know, this
58:25
Speaker 7: is a wartime economy, so these are the problems. You
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Speaker 7: know that we have to sacrifice some war. I have
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Speaker 7: no idea if that's the thinking. But to add war
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Speaker 7: onto the like you said, Ryan, rickety shaky economy is
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Speaker 7: a move.
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Speaker 3: I know you have to jump in a second.
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Speaker 2: If you like here, I was just gonna say it's
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Speaker 2: I hate to fall back on the analysis of like, well,
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Speaker 2: he's just dumb, because that seems.
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Speaker 6: Lazy, right, It seems lazy.
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Speaker 2: It seems like underestimating, you know, your adversaries. And yet
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Speaker 2: I can't really come up with an explanation that makes
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Speaker 2: sense for why he decided to do this right now,
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Speaker 2: other than you know, not necessarily he's dumb, but that
59:11
Speaker 2: he has this particular psychology where he doesn't believe the
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Speaker 2: generals when they're like this is a bad idea, doesn't
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Speaker 2: believe the economists when they're like this is a bad idea,
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Speaker 2: doesn't believe the political people when they're like this is
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Speaker 2: a bad idea. Is on this sugar high from Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: thinks it's gonna look cool and awesome. You know, maybe
59:30
Speaker 2: you guys will play later the like utterly embarrassing, like
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Speaker 2: movie trailer style video that they just put out on Twitter.
59:39
Speaker 2: So he feels like more of a man when he's
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Speaker 2: sending our sons and daughters over to like risk their
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Speaker 2: lives and some of them get killed in action, you know,
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Speaker 2: in some new war military conflict, and so whatever, you know,
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Speaker 2: he heard what he wanted to hear from Natanyahu or
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Speaker 2: who else was interested in this outcome. I think it,
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Speaker 2: I can't, I mean, and I mean you have to
1:00:03
Speaker 2: factor the Epstein files into it too. Maybe that's part
1:00:06
Speaker 2: of it and whatever Israel knows about him, Like, I
1:00:08
Speaker 2: can never put that off the table, because we know
1:00:10
Speaker 2: that's how they operate, and we also know how weird
1:00:13
Speaker 2: he's been around the Epstein files. But the thing does
1:00:17
Speaker 2: not add up and make sense without attributing some aspect
1:00:21
Speaker 2: of it to either blackmail or his own particular bizarre
1:00:26
Speaker 2: psychology or some combination of the two.
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Speaker 5: That seems to be the big question that Normany's asked
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Speaker 5: me all the time is like, why is this happening?
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Speaker 8: Why?
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Speaker 5: And I think that there's like a complex yeah, web
1:00:42
Speaker 5: of mysteries there still to unpack. Crystal, thank you for
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1:00:57
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