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FridAI - AI Censorship and MCPs · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 763 for Casual Friday, June 19th, that's Juneteenth,
• 0:07
  Dave Hamilton: of course, and National Martini Day, 2026.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, I hit the wrong button. Hang on. Let me fix that. Let's just get rid of that. There we go.
• 0:17
  Dave Hamilton: Should we start the episode over? No, we're good. We'll get it right. No way, man.
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  Shannon Jean: Mistakes. We're building in public.
• 0:23
  Dave Hamilton: That's right. We are building in public. That's good. Yeah. National Martini Day, Juneteenth.
• 0:28
  Shannon Jean: That's awesome. You know, I live near a town called Martinez where the martini was invented.
• 0:33
  Dave Hamilton: No kidding. Absolutely. I didn't realize where the name came from.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Okay. It's only about 20 minutes from me. It's on the water.
• 0:43
  Shannon Jean: And yeah, that's where the martini... Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Who knew?
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  Dave Hamilton: I mean, you do. You knew.
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  Shannon Jean: It turns out. It's one of my fun facts, fun facts.
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  Dave Hamilton: For now, here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: And I'm Shannon Jean. I'm still in Northern California.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, man.
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  Shannon Jean: Happy to be here on Happy Friday.
• 1:33
  Dave Hamilton: Happy Friday. Happy Friday, AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38
  Shannon Jean: Hey, you know, I don't know if we're, last week, well, we're recording this
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  Shannon Jean: on Monday, but a couple of days ago, so Anthropoc came out with a new model,
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  Shannon Jean: a new LLM model called Fable 5.
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  Shannon Jean: I don't know, you know, 1 through 4, we didn't get to see. Well.
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  Shannon Jean: But it was based on their.
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  Dave Hamilton: No, we did get to see it because Opus is 4.
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  Shannon Jean: Oh, I see.
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  Dave Hamilton: Fable 5. Got it. That makes sense.
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  Shannon Jean: Well, and it's. Maybe. I could be, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's not, Fable isn't the model. The model is mythos.
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  Shannon Jean: No, it's mythos. Mythos. but fable is the mythos with guardrails. Am I right?
• 2:10
  Dave Hamilton: Fable is the guardrails that sit between you and me and mythos or sat.
• 2:16
  Dave Hamilton: I don't know what's going to happen by the time this episode comes out. So yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, we'll see. We're moving quick, but it didn't, it wasn't on the market
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  Shannon Jean: long before, I guess there was some kind of exploit or something that removed
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  Shannon Jean: some of those guardrails. And so there were some steps.
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  Shannon Jean: I don't know all the details of it, but between the government and Anthropic.
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  Shannon Jean: And so they took it off. And now there's a note everywhere that says you can't use Fable.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, well, it's just turned off. That's right.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, gone. And you made a comment earlier about hitting some limits and some things.
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  Dave Hamilton: I ran into it. Yeah. So the mythos, the model mythos has been discussed for a while.
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  Dave Hamilton: And anthropic had chosen not to release it to the wild initially uh because
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  Dave Hamilton: they wanted to give other companies like some of the bigger tech companies and
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  Dave Hamilton: and i believe even the the government the chance to use it.
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  Shannon Jean: Uh correct to that's what i
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  Dave Hamilton: Understand yeah to to to like poke at their own holes in their own security the issue with mythos,
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  Dave Hamilton: uh and fable again is just the guardrails in front of it the issue is its strength
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  Dave Hamilton: it is relentless Shannon I had.
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  Dave Hamilton: The example,
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  Dave Hamilton: that I'm happy to share is I, cause I wasn't, I did hit the cybersecurity guard
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  Dave Hamilton: rails, but I was not trying. Like I was, I was just doing my thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I had, we have an internal engine here at Backbeat and I wanted to populate
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  Dave Hamilton: it with some, some data from a third party source.
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  Dave Hamilton: And we have a, an account with this third party source and I know they have
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  Dave Hamilton: an API. And so I thought, okay, great. I'm just going to like essentially using
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  Dave Hamilton: cloud code. In fact, it wasn't essentially, It was literally using cloud code.
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  Dave Hamilton: I said, hey, I want you to, you know, we're going to, we're together,
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  Dave Hamilton: we're going to figure this out and we're going to use their API.
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  Dave Hamilton: I was like, okay, great. Go get an API key from them. I'm like,
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  Dave Hamilton: yeah, I already got that.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it said, great. Before I spec out, I was going to use Fable to spec out.
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  Dave Hamilton: Actually, I did use Fable to spec out things. And then I was going to use Sonnet
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  Dave Hamilton: to build because I've learned that you don't need to use the highest model for everything.
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  Dave Hamilton: That was my experiment with my $20 a month plan. I'm now back to the $100 a
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  Dave Hamilton: month plan because I couldn't look like that.
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  Dave Hamilton: But um but you can live like that it's you know if you if you use the right
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  Dave Hamilton: models for things and so yeah i had it building this thing and it's like great
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  Dave Hamilton: before i build the spec for this i want to make sure that we can get the data that we think we can get
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  Dave Hamilton: it had ingested the documentation for the api but it it was like you know give
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  Dave Hamilton: me the key and and we'll we'll do this and so great fine you know i put the
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  Dave Hamilton: key and where you're supposed to and like you know securely and all that stuff and it wrote some script,
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  Dave Hamilton: it came back and it said uh most of the endpoints work, but the main one that we want.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like it keeps erroring out it says you don't have access to that you need to like,
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  Dave Hamilton: email them and tell them to turn it on oh i have very quick support with this
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  Dave Hamilton: particular company and okay like literally within minutes had someone that was
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  Dave Hamilton: looking into it for me and said
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  Dave Hamilton: oh yeah that's part of our 1500 a month plan oh you don't like you can have
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  Dave Hamilton: that you don't have that right now and so i told,
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  Dave Hamilton: like you know i i just gave that response back to the to fable and it was like
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  Dave Hamilton: oh yeah that's a non-starter uh it was like but you can get this data off of their website right and.
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  Dave Hamilton: I was like yep and it was like great log into that website in chrome and then
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  Dave Hamilton: give me access i want to take a look at some things and it kept going and like
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  Dave Hamilton: 20 maybe 30 minutes later it came back and it's like great news there's actually
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  Dave Hamilton: a private api that this company has,
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  Dave Hamilton: that is used to populate the website when you visit then it's like so i've just
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  Dave Hamilton: spec'd out the entire model using that uh you'll need to make sure that you uh,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know you you refresh the key every now and then because it's not like a
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  Dave Hamilton: straight api key it's your login token you know and it's like it's going to
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  Dave Hamilton: be a little weird and and then it said
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  Dave Hamilton: um it asked two questions one was some sort of procedural question the other
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  Dave Hamilton: was you got to make sure you're comfortable doing this it might or might not
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  Dave Hamilton: go against their terms of service it's like i didn't research that,
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  Dave Hamilton: and i was like oh my gosh like this model is crazy and immediately after that prompt it was like
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  Dave Hamilton: this model has run into cyber security you know issues i'm dumbing down to opus
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  Dave Hamilton: or whatever which really is a dumb model but it is relentless at stuff so i can see
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  Dave Hamilton: if you pointed it at something that was actually you know really mattered it
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  Dave Hamilton: would get the job done and that's yeah that's the concern.
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  Shannon Jean: That's right. It totally makes sense. And I get that part of it.
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  Shannon Jean: And I get the, I guess it's, if I use a similar or like an analogy of like search.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Because you know that if you search in Google, they don't show you everything.
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  Shannon Jean: Number one, you see all that paid stuff they show first.
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  Dave Hamilton: Sure.
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  Shannon Jean: But even like if they've made a decision that, oh, certain sites are bad actors
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  Shannon Jean: or certain sites or whatever, we're not going to show those results.
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  Shannon Jean: So it's by omission, right? And they're
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  Shannon Jean: controlling data, which is their prerogative. It's their site. It's free.
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  Shannon Jean: You're, you know, whatever they're going to show. And there's alternative. You can go use, right?
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  Shannon Jean: Other search, right? You could use whatever, DuckTuckGo.
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  Shannon Jean: You can use Bing. You can use, you know, on and on and on. Different search. But in AI...
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  Shannon Jean: Like, who decides what it will show, how much it will let you do?
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  Shannon Jean: And I listened to an interesting argument about, because one of the things,
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  Shannon Jean: I did not know this until I read this article, about Anthropic is they are heavily
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  Shannon Jean: pushing for government control of AI. Heavily.
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  Dave Hamilton: There is an argument and it would be an argument we're not going to have it
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  Dave Hamilton: right now but there's an argument to be said that the anthropic of the of the
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  Dave Hamilton: major ai players the anthropic are the good guys like it in a sense like they're
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  Dave Hamilton: they're trying to be responsible and always however.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes yeah but there's also the argument that again we're not having this argument
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  Shannon Jean: but there is a uh a comment that the reason they want that government control is to block out other
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  Dave Hamilton: Players To gatekeep, of course.
• 8:37
  Shannon Jean: To gatekeep, especially open source. Right. Which is definitely going to be something.
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  Dave Hamilton: Deep seek and things like that.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes, all the open source ones. And it was just an interesting way.
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  Shannon Jean: I hadn't thought about it this way before until I read this article and listened
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  Shannon Jean: to this discussion about
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  Shannon Jean: who controls the data and where do you get to go? And I also think it's an argument it for
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  Shannon Jean: different kind of AI that lives, you know, more things that live locally,
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  Shannon Jean: like OpenClaw or other things like that, or things that Apple are,
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  Shannon Jean: I think, working on that give you more control of your personal,
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  Shannon Jean: you know, AI and things like that.
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  Shannon Jean: And that the models that are out there now, the way it works,
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  Shannon Jean: the open, because I guess
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  Shannon Jean: in Fable, you have to, I don't know if you had to agree to additional terms
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  Shannon Jean: and conditions, but they keep your searches, your prompts and everything for
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  Shannon Jean: 30 days to be able to look back and
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  Shannon Jean: check, I guess, on this kind of thing. So it's kind of interesting.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're doing it to make sure that their guardrails are
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  Dave Hamilton: acting the way they intend them to, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Because you can't know what they don't know. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, so it's just interesting. It just got me thinking about,
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  Shannon Jean: okay, how is this going to shake out? I'm not sure Anthropic are the good guys.
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  Shannon Jean: I don't know enough about them.
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  Shannon Jean: I think some of their founders, some of the stuff I read, I heard it referred
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  Shannon Jean: to as they feel like they're midwifing a god by building this out.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, there's a— You know.
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  Shannon Jean: I thought that was kind of interesting.
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  Dave Hamilton: From what I understand, they are a very private company in these ways. Yeah. I see.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. So it's just an interesting discussion about what you,
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  Shannon Jean: number one, how much of your data do you give it when it can keep it for a while
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  Shannon Jean: and what happens to it, right?
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  Shannon Jean: And thinking about that. And we're going to talk more about kind of private
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  Shannon Jean: and localized AI for your business so you don't have to give up,
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  Shannon Jean: you know, stuff that you're not comfortable with, but you could still use the
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  Shannon Jean: power of it to help you run your business.
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  Shannon Jean: I think that's a really interesting angle that I think Apple will...
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  Shannon Jean: Lean into a lot you know
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah i don't know that apple is leaning into it on the business side i like
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  Dave Hamilton: i think that's true for the personal side they are yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah so this is kind of interesting
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  Dave Hamilton: Where my comment about anthropic being the good guy and there's a whole history
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  Dave Hamilton: fascinating history where every ai company that exists is really the byproduct
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  Dave Hamilton: of a previous one it started with google
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  Dave Hamilton: then open ai and then anthropic right where
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  Dave Hamilton: each of them started because they didn't trust the people that were running
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  Dave Hamilton: the last one you're exactly right yeah and anthropic actually had claude ready
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  Dave Hamilton: before open ai had chat gpt ready
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  Dave Hamilton: and decided to wait because they didn't want to unleash this thing on the world
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  Dave Hamilton: without more guardrails i see and then yeah and then open ai said here's chat
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  Dave Hamilton: gpt and so it was about six months later that,
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  Dave Hamilton: anthropic finally put claude out the claude was ready first which is which is kind of
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  Dave Hamilton: mind-blowing when you when you realize so that's kind of where that mindset
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  Dave Hamilton: like they they are trying to do no harm yeah i would at some level yeah that's
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  Dave Hamilton: some i'm not gonna give them too much credit here but no no.
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  Shannon Jean: No it's kind of like the yeah it's kind of it's kind of weird but i mean the
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  Shannon Jean: thing that claude nailed was you know focusing on programming first and other stuff it just
• 12:10
  Dave Hamilton: Became they had to uh you know they had to because OpenAI had won the chatbot,
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  Dave Hamilton: thing. So they had to pivot, well, not pivot, but specialize.
• 12:19
  Shannon Jean: Come and do something different.
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  Dave Hamilton: And then via that specialization have sort of now gone a little broader.
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  Shannon Jean: But yeah, it's interesting. Let us know what you think. Feedback at businessbrain.show.
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• 12:34
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  Dave Hamilton: of there and all that stuff, but sure. I mean, you know, figure it out. Yes.
• 17:29
  Shannon Jean: Hey, let's talk about real quick this term MCP modal, is it model context protocol?
• 17:37
  Dave Hamilton: Model context protocol.
• 17:38
  Shannon Jean: Model context protocol.
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  Shannon Jean: So I'm learning more about this. Instead of having to have an API or have some
• 17:47
  Shannon Jean: other weird kind of connection,
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  Shannon Jean: some of the services that I use, one of them for my reseller mastermind community,
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  Shannon Jean: I got an email and says, hey, we have this new MCP.
• 17:58
  Shannon Jean: All you need is this link. You can share that in your connections.
• 18:02
  Shannon Jean: I use Claude. There's a connection setting.
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  Shannon Jean: Go in there. Paste that URL. Log in. And kind of like sometimes when you give
• 18:09
  Shannon Jean: access to your bank account, if you're connecting like Venmo or whatever,
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  Shannon Jean: there's an intermediary that kind of logs in. And in this case,
• 18:17
  Shannon Jean: I actually think it just logged in directly.
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  Shannon Jean: And it gave my AI access to all the analytics, all the backend data of my community,
• 18:28
  Shannon Jean: which is super helpful. And I love it.
• 18:31
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. Yeah, and so that the point isn't lost, the beauty of the model context
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  Dave Hamilton: protocol is that it is platform agnostic,
• 18:43
  Dave Hamilton: which is a fancy way of saying it will work with all of the AIs out there.
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  Dave Hamilton: You pick your favorite. It is a protocol that is a standard,
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  Dave Hamilton: and it's an open standard. So,
• 18:57
  Dave Hamilton: your service could work with ChatGPT. I mean, you chose Claude,
• 19:01
  Dave Hamilton: but you didn't have to. You're not locked into that.
• 19:04
  Dave Hamilton: And that's the power here. Yeah, well, one of the powerful things.
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  Dave Hamilton: The other powerful thing is no longer do you have to,
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  Dave Hamilton: Like send it screenshots or let it log in with your browser,
• 19:15
  Dave Hamilton: which is like, if you want to find a good way to burn tokens really fast,
• 19:20
  Dave Hamilton: have your AI control your browser. I know when it all.
• 19:23
  Shannon Jean: But it's awesome. It's awesome.
• 19:26
  Dave Hamilton: But this is a way more efficient way of doing it because they just get to talk
• 19:29
  Dave Hamilton: directly to each other, just like an API would. And so there's no misinterpretations
• 19:34
  Dave Hamilton: and it's as efficient as it could possibly be. Yeah.
• 19:38
  Shannon Jean: Yeah. It's like, it's a game changer for me.
• 19:41
  Shannon Jean: I connected it to my newsletter platform and talking back and forth and like
• 19:46
  Shannon Jean: reviewing the analytics and changes over the last six months and what to do in this case.
• 19:52
  Shannon Jean: And I could just go back and forth and ask questions. And then it will actually
• 19:56
  Shannon Jean: help me implement the changes.
• 19:58
  Shannon Jean: So it had certain permissions and it would come up and I would get prompted.
• 20:03
  Shannon Jean: It's like, well, it would, of course, it'd say open it in Chrome and I can take
• 20:07
  Shannon Jean: control of the site and I can create this template for you and we can do this, this, this.
• 20:12
  Shannon Jean: Super helpful for me, man. That's great. That's amazing.
• 20:14
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I actually had it on the list today to talk about. The title of my note
• 20:19
  Dave Hamilton: was Claude Cowork is quickly becoming my primary email agent.
• 20:24
  Dave Hamilton: And it's all about MCPs because I use Fastmail for my email.
• 20:30
  Dave Hamilton: Okay. And Fastmail recently, a month or two ago, maybe more,
• 20:35
  Dave Hamilton: released their own first party MCP. Other people had kind of built layers of
• 20:40
  Dave Hamilton: MCPs that were unofficial. They released their own.
• 20:43
  Dave Hamilton: And, you know, I can say, like, you know, the screenshot that I put in the thing
• 20:48
  Dave Hamilton: for the example is I just wrote, hey,
• 20:51
  Dave Hamilton: to Claude Cowork, I said, take a look at my Fastmail inbox and summarize the
• 20:54
  Dave Hamilton: top 10 most important things that you find my attention would be best spent looking at next.
• 21:00
  Dave Hamilton: Oh, yeah. Nice. Yeah.
• 21:03
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. It did. It was like, you've got to do this, Dave. Like,
• 21:06
  Dave Hamilton: there's money waiting, essentially. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.
• 21:09
  Dave Hamilton: I love it. And it looked through 800 emails to, to like figure that out.
• 21:13
  Dave Hamilton: And then was like, all right, yeah, you're good to go.
• 21:15
  Dave Hamilton: So, and then I could choose to have it. I, you know, I, I, I don't,
• 21:19
  Dave Hamilton: it doesn't have permission to
• 21:20
  Dave Hamilton: send anything, uh, but it has permission to create and save draft. Yeah.
• 21:25
  Shannon Jean: Yeah. That's it. I love that too. Yeah. I think that's great.
• 21:27
  Shannon Jean: And then you just go in your draft folder and there's a bunch of stuff waiting for you already.
• 21:31
  Dave Hamilton: It's waiting if I, yeah, exactly. Yep. Yeah. That's great. I love it. So yeah, I, um, yeah.
• 21:37
  Dave Hamilton: It is. It's a fascinating thing. Hey, Shannon, we've gotten out of our habit here.
• 21:42
  Dave Hamilton: We need to talk about this episode's big takeaway, my friend. So,
• 21:49
  Dave Hamilton: we talked about,
• 21:52
  Dave Hamilton: generally AI censorship. I don't know that there was anything there.
• 21:57
  Shannon Jean: I don't know.
• 21:58
  Dave Hamilton: Then we've got MCPs. That's what we talked about.
• 22:00
  Shannon Jean: I think the MCP is the big takeaway because if you haven't used it,
• 22:04
  Shannon Jean: it's so easy to implement.
• 22:06
  Shannon Jean: You don't need a secret token like API and all this kind of stuff.
• 22:11
  Shannon Jean: And like Dave said, it's platform agnostic. It goes anywhere,
• 22:15
  Shannon Jean: any AI you want to use it for. I think that's my vote for the big takeaway.
• 22:19
  Dave Hamilton: I agree. Yeah. They're easy to implement and you can connect your AI to probably
• 22:25
  Dave Hamilton: more things than you realize. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:29
  Shannon Jean: That's one of the things you could do is ask your AI, does this service have
• 22:34
  Shannon Jean: an MCP that I could connect to?
• 22:37
  Dave Hamilton: Here's all the services that I use. Do I have... Talk to me here.
• 22:44
  Shannon Jean: What am I missing? What am I missing here?
• 22:45
  Dave Hamilton: Why don't I build an MCP? When I say why don't I build, why don't I work with Claude Code to build?
• 22:55
  Dave Hamilton: It goes without saying. A locator. No, why don't I build an MCP,
• 22:59
  Dave Hamilton: for our internal podcast manager thing so if our hosts want to use mcp yeah
• 23:05
  Dave Hamilton: to like if they want to use their ai to control their lives why wouldn't they
• 23:09
  Dave Hamilton: why wouldn't of course i want to make that easy for you yeah oh yeah that's great.
• 23:13
  Shannon Jean: I love it
• 23:14
  Dave Hamilton: I love it.
• 23:14
  Shannon Jean: Huh that's interesting
• 23:16
  Dave Hamilton: Huh oh yeah that's going on the list all right this is great nice thanks for
• 23:19
  Dave Hamilton: hanging out everybody fun stuff feedback at businessbrain.show uh make sure
• 23:24
  Dave Hamilton: you uh yeah let us know and thank you david for your email about The underwater
• 23:28
  Dave Hamilton: data centers. Yeah. Fun stuff. Great. Woo! See you next week.
• 23:31
  Shannon Jean: See you guys.