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European Vacation · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of The Mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of your favorite new podcast,
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  Speaker 2: The mom Wars. I am your host. You'll be able
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  Speaker 2: to tell the difference pretty easily. I'm the American Bethany Mandel, and.
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  Speaker 3: You are how are Kennedy?
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  Speaker 2: So I am a freelance mom writer for I knew
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  Speaker 2: everywhere from the New York Post to the Washington Examiner,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes with the Spectator, and.
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  Speaker 3: You are the royal correspondent to the Spectator magazine.
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  Speaker 2: So what I love about that is you're not just
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  Speaker 2: the royals, as in like Kate and Will the Markles,
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  Speaker 2: but you're also like the royal family in America. So
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  Speaker 2: you've been covering the Trump family a lot.
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  Speaker 3: The proper royal family.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, No, Avanta is a queen. She is
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  Speaker 2: my queen the way.
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  Speaker 3: Mondoyle ima into somebody who used to work for the
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  Speaker 3: queen the other day and my argument was like, and
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  Speaker 3: I was saying to him, it must suck to be
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  Speaker 3: the royal family in Britain because you have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money, well not even that much money comput to Americans,
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  Speaker 3: and like American rich is very different to British wretch
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  Speaker 3: and American rich seems way more fun because you can
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  Speaker 3: kind of do whatever you want. Annapolan planted. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: I feel like when you're in the British royal family.
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  Speaker 2: You have to kind of hate to yourself, you have
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  Speaker 2: to play austerity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Trumps don't do that, which is why
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  Speaker 3: I think that, and they make it a lot of
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  Speaker 3: money right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there they are gaudy. They are new Rich gaudy,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean that's not true. I think Trump is.
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  Speaker 2: But Ivanka is subtle. She's got the like floor to
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  Speaker 2: ceiling windows like he does, look like a child lives there,
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  Speaker 2: even though she has three.
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  Speaker 3: It's uh yeah. I saw her outfit earlier on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh wow, she's wearing like sandals
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  Speaker 3: made out of browth and like the long flowry drives.
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  Speaker 3: But I feel like it's also just a different time,
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  Speaker 3: like when Trump was having these palaces built with gold
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  Speaker 3: from yeah, so to Steven, you know, it was kind
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  Speaker 3: of instylin and kind of you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, Yeah, that's not bad. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it was ever. So it's pretty gaudy. But but Evanka
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  Speaker 2: really rocks it. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Pretty classing.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm experienced in all things British
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  Speaker 2: because I just spent a week with my five children
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  Speaker 2: in London. I haven't tell me so. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: it's low key illegal to fly with five children under
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  Speaker 2: the age of twelve. I did not know that until
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  Speaker 2: I got on the plane. Did somebody tell you the
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  Speaker 2: flight attendant? So you have to have an adult in
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  Speaker 2: every row where there's a child under the age of twelve.
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  Speaker 2: And we occupied two rows, right, so I had one
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  Speaker 2: row there was another row of children, and so they
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  Speaker 2: walked up to me as we were boarding in BWI
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, are you alone? And by this
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  Speaker 2: point I was having a full blown panic attack because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what did I do? What did I
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  Speaker 2: sign up for? Because I had I was sitting in
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  Speaker 2: a row with my five year old and my three
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  Speaker 2: and a half year old, and I'm like, we're going
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  Speaker 2: overnight red eye to recovec Iceland and then we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get on another plane to London.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you.
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  Speaker 2: Probably stressed because that's how I got such a cheap tickets.
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  Speaker 2: IM not a rich person, Okay, So I was having
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  Speaker 2: a I was legit having a panic attack, and she
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  Speaker 2: walks up to me and she was like, so and
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  Speaker 2: so what they ended up doing was they moved my
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  Speaker 2: oldest daughter into another row and they switched her with
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  Speaker 2: an adult and the and so the adult sitting next
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  Speaker 2: to her agreed to help her in the case of
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  Speaker 2: an emergency, and so did the adult that they the
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  Speaker 2: two adults, and they said they would just have to
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  Speaker 2: do it for takeoff and landing. So that's what we did,
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  Speaker 2: so only for takeoff and landing, and then the kids.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was honestly, it was a really easy flight.
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  Speaker 2: I gave them because it's such a discount airline they
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  Speaker 2: pay They make you pay for water, let alone food,
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  Speaker 2: and so I brought a bag of meatballs and planes
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  Speaker 2: spaghetta pane that's spaghetti, plain noodles, planes.
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  Speaker 3: Past that play noodles.
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  Speaker 2: And I brought else plane no like just no no,
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  Speaker 2: no plane like nothing on them. I brought paper plates
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  Speaker 2: and forks, and I just started passing out pasta and
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  Speaker 2: meat balls, and the flight attendant walked by and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm sorry, what is this, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I have to feed them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my god, they must you were d.
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  Speaker 2: And so they all ate, and then my two younger kids,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the middle, and of course I have
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  Speaker 2: no leg room because I'm on the most ghetto airline
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  Speaker 2: on the planet, as you can tell by now, and
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  Speaker 2: they're both on top of me asleep, and then my
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  Speaker 2: three other kids were asleep in the row and I
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  Speaker 2: just sat there in fear basically for the entire flight.
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  Speaker 2: I looked like maybe an hour or two, but I
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  Speaker 2: was really wired. I was really I was really like,
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  Speaker 2: what did I get myself into here? So we get
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  Speaker 2: to RECOVEC and from Dallas to take six seven hours,
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  Speaker 2: maybe six hours I think, and then we get to
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  Speaker 2: RECOVEC and then the kids are like wired. They're just
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  Speaker 2: like bouncing off the walls. And it's like two o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the morning our time, and they're just bouncing off
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  Speaker 2: the walls. We switched flights. I fell asleep on that flight,
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  Speaker 2: but no one, none of my children did. And so
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  Speaker 2: I have like three hundred selfie pictures of my five
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  Speaker 2: year old and my three year old on my phone
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  Speaker 2: because I was just like.
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  Speaker 3: To take the phone, yeah whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a hundred selfies of them and my
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  Speaker 2: older kids just played on screens. And then we got
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  Speaker 2: to London and we found out that they lost our stroller.
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  Speaker 2: So another ghetto thing I did was, uh, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: check a bag. Everyone had their own backpack. Oh, and
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  Speaker 2: the stroller was going to be how I transported the
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  Speaker 2: backpacks from point A to point B and then they
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  Speaker 2: lost our shoulder.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so did you ever get it back?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I'm still in correspondence. So that is like,
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  Speaker 2: so I on Amazon dot co dot UK standing in
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  Speaker 2: the airport, I primed a new one to myself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we get back, We get back to the so
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  Speaker 2: we I'm like, I'm lugging like everyone's bags by this point,
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  Speaker 2: and I we get on the We get on a bus,
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  Speaker 2: which is it's that sounds ghetto, but actually wasn't because
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  Speaker 2: it was like direct to where we were staying, like
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  Speaker 2: from the airport, like right to where we were staying,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like one stop. It was very easy.
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  Speaker 2: And so I carry the bags like two blocks to
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  Speaker 2: our airbnb and then up the stairs three flights of stairs.
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  Speaker 3: So bad at one point was the biggest red flag
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  Speaker 3: for you that you had messed up every single part
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  Speaker 3: of this, every single part of this c oh No.
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  Speaker 2: I powered through. I powered through because you have to
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  Speaker 2: put on a brave face because if the kids, if
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  Speaker 2: the kids know that mom is overwhelmed, that's it. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: they will lose it. So I just like I kept
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  Speaker 2: it together. And and then we get to the Airbnb.
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  Speaker 2: We like get ourselves sorted. We go to lunch and
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  Speaker 2: my five year old falls asleep in her own lap.
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  Speaker 2: She just folds over, and I felt so nauseous. I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I was gonna puke. All of us did.
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  Speaker 2: We were so tired, we like none of us could eat.
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  Speaker 2: And then we get back to the Airbnb, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this was It's a mistake. But then we rallied, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we decided, let's get on the let's get on
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  Speaker 2: the underground. We'll go to the Princess Diana playground. So
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  Speaker 2: that's what we did. So we allied, We went to
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  Speaker 2: the playground. We have an amazing time, came back to
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  Speaker 2: the Airbnb. I feel I think we ate the leftovers
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  Speaker 2: from the lunch that we barely touched. And then we
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  Speaker 2: all crashed and the next day without a stroller because
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  Speaker 2: it's not there yet we walked seven miles. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: my three year old. I mean I was planning on
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  Speaker 2: using my stroller too. We did Westminster Abbey, Churchill War Rooms,
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  Speaker 2: had a picnic lunch in the park near there, sat
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  Speaker 2: James I want to say it was maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And then Tower of London.
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  Speaker 3: I have never done any of those places now that
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  Speaker 3: The other was doos yes seriously, Yeah I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've never done any of that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't make one thing. I went to Backham Palace.
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  Speaker 2: We never actually got there.
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  Speaker 3: Did you go outside there?
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  Speaker 2: So we meant to, We meant to. They were we
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  Speaker 2: were going to go for the Changing of the Guard
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  Speaker 2: and then it was v E day and so they
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  Speaker 2: canceled the change the changing of the Guard because they
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  Speaker 2: were prepping for the day, and so I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: oh well whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like you did a lot. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you did more than I did when I lived there.
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  Speaker 1: In one day.
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  Speaker 2: That was just what we did in one day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was really fun. And then we did so we
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  Speaker 2: did like I mean, we did like all the tourist
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  Speaker 2: stuff we did London.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: That was a huge hit. British Museum Transport museum was
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  Speaker 2: super fun with kids, super in that That was a
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  Speaker 2: that was actually a tip from John pat Hartz. He's
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  Speaker 2: like a London expert. What else did we do? National
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  Speaker 2: Gallery Disappointed in that one.
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  Speaker 3: I have to say, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: It's not It's not worth it. I will tell you
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  Speaker 2: the British Museum needs to up their security game.
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  Speaker 3: Why.
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  Speaker 2: So, first of all, it's two packed. There's way too
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  Speaker 2: many people there. Have you been.
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  Speaker 3: I know what I did to the pub? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Right, So there was way too many people. And so
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  Speaker 2: I was there with my five kids to three and
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  Speaker 2: we're walking through and our big rule is hands at
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  Speaker 2: your sides, don't touch anything. That's always our museum rule.
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  Speaker 2: And so we had just walked through i think the
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  Speaker 2: Greek stuff, and we were rounding about to the egypt
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  Speaker 2: stuff and I'm I'm constantly counting to five on the
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  Speaker 2: strip and I only count four, and I'm like, where
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  Speaker 2: is she? My younger daughter, who's my my spitfire, she's
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  Speaker 2: my real Uh? Yes I did. And so my oldest
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: daughter notices her climbing into an Egyptian sculpture, an ancient
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  Speaker 2: Egyptian sculpture. It's like it looks like it's a cabinet
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  Speaker 2: and there's like a little window. It's like and there's
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  Speaker 2: a little window, and she's climbing into it. And my
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  Speaker 2: older daughter, who is like my co mom, who's sitting
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  Speaker 2: like on the bed watching me record this, she just
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  Speaker 2: grabs her by the hair and rips her out of
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  Speaker 2: the sculpture, screaming at her, and I was like, be
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  Speaker 2: more subtle. No one noticed. We just like high tailed
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It was really bad and no one noticed. And that's bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bad. Yeah, And it was.
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  Speaker 2: Funny because my daughter was saying, like my older daughter
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  Speaker 2: was saying before that happened, the security is really bad.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's annoying when they follow us around
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  Speaker 2: museums in America. But now I kind of get it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean museums, the more stories you hear about them,
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  Speaker 3: the more you realize that they don't work. Is you
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  Speaker 3: think that they work, you know? And there wasn't there
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  Speaker 3: a museum that throughout like multiple famous paintings a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of weeks that I haven't heard about, have you. So
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  Speaker 2: we recently studied Rembrandt, so we got into a super
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  Speaker 2: Rembrandt kick and there's do you know the story of
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: the Isabelle Gardner Museum in Boston. No, it's crazy. So
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  Speaker 2: it was part it actually became a Netflix series a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years back, but they were raw. So it's
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  Speaker 2: in Boston and they were robbed on the night of
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  Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day because the cops were elsewhere dealing with
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day in Boston. And there was a huge
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  Speaker 2: heist in the Israel Gardner Museum and they stole tons
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, including like one of the most famous Rembrandts.
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  Speaker 2: And this was like thirty five years ago. I want
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  Speaker 2: to say, they've never recovered any of it.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't seem like they tried super hard.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a there's a really good Netflix documentary
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  Speaker 2: about it. So we we studied Rembrandt. And then the
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  Speaker 2: last page of the book says like stolen from this
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  Speaker 2: ball Gardener, never recovered, And so I googled it and
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  Speaker 2: we got we watched the whole thing. It was really fun.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I need to watch that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was a fun I really like it.
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  Speaker 2: I love like art. I don't know drama, crime things.
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  Speaker 2: Have you read the book about the Vermire paintings?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: You should read this too. I don't remember the name
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  Speaker 2: of it, but a lot of Vermires are fake and
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: it's all about how they figured out that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Vermire paintings were fake. And it's pretty recent that
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  Speaker 2: they've come to this determination. I remember four or five
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  Speaker 2: years ago when I would go to the National Gallery
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  Speaker 2: here in d C. After I read that book, I
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  Speaker 2: would like to be like, I think that one's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things, and one of them was taken down.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, I don't know how they fake him.
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  Speaker 2: It was super interesting, like this is this how do
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  Speaker 2: they make the paint like old paint?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: So I don't remember, but it's fascinating. Okay, they like
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  Speaker 2: had to like mix it with other old paints and
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: they used like alcohol to like distill it, I guess
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  Speaker 2: is the right word. It's very fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: Have you watched the new John hamm show.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just going to see the Hardy from Madmen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is his first big role since I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Oh in as serious and he is a very rich guy,
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  Speaker 3: gets fired, gets divorced, and like has to keep up
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  Speaker 3: his lifestyle. And I think it's like based in the
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  Speaker 3: Hampton's or some kind of rich New York suburb and
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  Speaker 3: he starts stealing art and watches and other things from
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  Speaker 3: like his friends and neighbors to keep up with the lifestyle.
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  Speaker 3: And basically, what it's trying to tell you is that
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  Speaker 3: rich people acquire so much stuff that they don't really
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  Speaker 3: notice when things got missing. This is so and he
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  Speaker 3: like fakes a painting and yeah, it's very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: You should watch. Yeah, sounds fun. So so yeah, so
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: that was that was most so we One of the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: other things we did was we went to the Warwick Castle.
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  Speaker 2: You made fun of me.
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  Speaker 3: Wait did you ask how is frounced?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody said anything to me when I kept calling you Warwick.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, they're like the dumb Americans eating cheese, dummies cheese.
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  Speaker 2: So that was really fun. That was like a super
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  Speaker 2: duper highlight of the trip. We took the train out
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  Speaker 2: there and uh, where is that? Like two hours north
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  Speaker 2: of London and the trip is beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: We passed in Warwick, so that would kind of make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go to them. Go ahead, it's near
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  Speaker 2: where Shakespeare's birthplace was.
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  Speaker 3: It's in Lauren.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Good day.
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  Speaker 2: So we didn't get a chance to get there, just
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: there was like not enough time in the day. But
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I wrote a piece actually for our sub stec about
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the trip. And one thing that I will carry with
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  Speaker 2: me until my dying days is So we get there
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and the first night that we go, we play on
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the playground. There's a zog playground. Do you know Julia Donaldson,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: So she wrote tons of children's books that I super
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: highly recommend. You should just buy them all on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: They're really fun. Zog and the Flying Doctor's Room, on
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  Speaker 2: the Broom, the Gruffalo, I love the Grafla. Yeah, so
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: all of her books are amazing. Trannosaurus strip a huge fan,
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  Speaker 2: huge Donaldson fan. So the whole castle is like Julia
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  Speaker 2: Donaldson theme, but like really it's Zog themed and so
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  Speaker 2: she So they have a zog playground. So we played
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  Speaker 2: on the Zog playground and then the next day we
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: were going to do the castle, and the whole day
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  Speaker 2: my three year old keeps asking to go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Zog playground, and we said, we'll wait until the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day. We'll wait until the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day. Let's do everything else first, and then we'll
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  Speaker 2: go back to the Zog playground. Then we get back
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  Speaker 2: to the Zog Playground at the same time we arrived
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  Speaker 2: the day before, but the day before was a bank holiday,
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  Speaker 2: which apparently meant that it was open late. The day
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that was not a bank holiday they closed it for
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  Speaker 2: and we get there at three point fifty seven and
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  Speaker 2: he was such a trooper. I almost started first. I
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  Speaker 2: almost burst into because the whole day, this poor kid
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: was like, I want to go back to the playground.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go back to the Wait, what is
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  Speaker 3: so good about a Zog playground?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't anything special. It was just the thing that
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  Speaker 2: he fixated on. And the whole thing it's because of
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  Speaker 2: like this one they had had Zog things. It was
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: like a Zog themed playground. And the whole day, this
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: poor little kid, and it's like out of the way.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So we're like, we want to do all those things.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And then the Zog playground is on the way out,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: so let's go. Let's hit that on our way out
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the door. And then it was closed and I almost
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and he's still he's still like we got home two
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and a half weeks ago and he's like, can we
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: go to the Zog playground? And so I feel so bad.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I bought him at America. What it's like a zog
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: themed I mean, it was nothing special. He just like
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: really liked it, and so I bought him a giant
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: gruffalo to try to I mean, it was really to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: make me feel better because I felt bad. But he
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: was such a trooper. And so we were walking out
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and I wrote the on the sub sect. But we
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: were walking out and every kid was melting down, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: it was like two parents one adult or two parents
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: one child, and the kid is throwing a fit, screaming, crying,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I want this, I want this. I didn't want to leave,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and I roll out with five kids, one of whom
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was just his heart was just stopped into a million pieces.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And they were fine. They were like, thank you so much, mom,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: that was so much fun. And I was like, this
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is why I'm able to do this. Yeah, because you
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: guys are not jerks. And I was like, and all
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: these other children are jerks. And my kids were like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that's not nice. You shouldn't be so judgmental.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so cute. But to get a
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: pronacious algument of having multiple kids is they won't be dicks.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the hope. Right.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Do you think that that's positive because there's so many
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: of them, you just kind of calm, like indulge.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if I just I don't indulge.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't do screaming crying fits. And I said this
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: in the in the post that I wrote for the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sub sac, I have a saying this only works because
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you make it work. And it's like it's it's the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: idea of like dog training, just positive affirmations all the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: time and you ignore the negative behavior. And on these
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: kinds of trips, like they are real troopers, Like it
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is not easy flying across the world, and you have
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: one fifth of your mother's attention. Yeah, and like when
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you're my older kids, you even have less than one fifth,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: because the younger kids got even more. And they are troopers.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And we had a great time.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: And in the moment that a kid is melting down.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, they don't melt down, guy, they don't. I
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: mean we've had a couple of times, so for you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to like, I mean I walked away, I mean I've
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: had I've had a meltdown in a supermarket and I
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: walked away. And like people are very judgmental of it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't. I just walked where. I'm like, out,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: come to the front when you're done, I'll see you later.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Or I'll yank them up. Yeah, stand up and stop
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: it right now. This is not acceptable, and I will
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: like pretty forcefully yank them up, stand up, and like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: get in their face. I mean, it's I believe in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: dog training. You assert dominance. You look in their eyes
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and you get a deep voice, and you don't use
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: many words no, stop it, and you look really scary.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And my kids said on the trip, they're like, you're
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: kind of scary sometimes. Yeah, that's probably true.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Were there any moments in the trap that other people
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: made your life a lot harder for having a lot
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of kids.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Everywhere we went, people were absolutely in shock, like in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: complete shock. On the flight, especially everywhere I went, people
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: were like because you could tell instantly that we were
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: not from there because of our accents, and so people
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: were like, there's five of them and one of you,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and you're like, mold, I don't know. They thought it
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: was a lunatic. They're like what And I was like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I actually have another child at home with a husband,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and they were like, why did you come here without
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the husband. Why did you do that? The only time
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that people made it more difficult was in the airport
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and stance and on our way back they were so
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: mean in the unbelievable is horrible airport, It was horrible.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, can I use this cart to go
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: through secure because like we had no bags on wheels,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and they had, like the kids had bought more stuff
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: than I had like thought about until we packed our
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: bags up again and like everyone's bag was too heavy
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and there was five of them and mine too, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: then there was six and so even my older kids
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: had a hard time holding their bags, and so I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: had the night before. The night before, we had like
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: a really hard night and we didn't get to the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: airport hotel until eleven pm. And they were troopers And
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that was the most stressful part actually, because you legally
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: can't put kids under the age of like thirteen alone
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in a room. And I had to get two rooms
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: because there was six of us, and so the guy,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: thank god, let me in and checked both checked us in.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: That was like the most stressful part because I had
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: asked for connecting rooms and it didn't happen. So we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: were like down the hall from each other, and so
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I had three kids down the hall eleven, ten and eight,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and I was down the hall with the younger two,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and so I basically didn't sleep. I was so anxious
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: about it, like I made sure they were I made
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: sure the older kids were settled in asleep, But then
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I had to repack all of our bags so that
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: everything heavy was in one bag, so that that would
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: be mine. And then I tried as best I could
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to pack the older kids bags as lightly as I could,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: but with as much stuff, like mostly just the clothes,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and so that was I was up until I don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: know midnight when I am doing that, and then we
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: had the flight the next morning, and the airport people
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: were real jerkfaces. My favorite was there was no family bathroom,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: but there was a so there was a women's room,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and then like clear across the terminal there was a
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: men's room or there was a handicapped and so I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: went in with all five kids to the handicapped because
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not sending my boys across the terminal and it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: super busy not doing it, and the so all of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: us go in and so we some of us come
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: out and we're waiting and we're like, it's getting stressful,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: like we really do need to get to our gate.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And one of my kids decides that they have to poop.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: They have to poop at that moment, and so we're
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: all waiting outside the door for that child to poop,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and this old woman, who is not handicapped, gets really mad.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: She's like, what's going on in there? I'm like, there's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a person using the bathroom right now, why didn't you like?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: She's like furious that we're using the handicap And I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: had just gone through security and I was so mad
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: at the security people that I was really spicy, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, because that child, I cannot separate from
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that child. I have some children that are female and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: some children that are male. I can't separate from them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And so we all went in here. You're not handicapped,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: why don't you walk your little tushy over there into
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the women's room. She says that the line is really long,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and I say to her in this tone, in this
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: voice that sounds like a you problem, She's like, what
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is that child doing in there? And I was like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: perhaps you're too old and bitter to remember when you
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: had children but you did have children once upon a time.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: You remember that sometimes they have to defecate. That's what
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that child is doing right now.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he just like, look at you, a woman
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: on your own, and then look at me, a mother
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: of five. I'm six with five kids right now. Yeah, like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: just make my day a little bit easier.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Oh. I honestly I enjoyed yelling at her because it
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: really got out a lot of my esteem about the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: security guards. But my kids they could tell the like
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: mom face, because there's been some times where I yelled
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: at people in public and the second it started, they're like, ooh,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that lady does not know what's coming. And it was true,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I don't care. She was a trashy woman
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: who's in stance in the airport, Like yeah, never I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: was too, But yeah, other than San sit Over, I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: was a rough one. Everyone was super nice and super helpful,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and like I thought I was a crazy person for
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: traveling with five children alone.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's May and you know what that means. Well,
• 28:16
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• 28:18
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• 28:20
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• 28:24
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• 28:27
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• 28:30
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• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, So what I can't understand about you is everything
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you have said sounds so stressful. Was it work?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It was so worth it. It was really fun. It's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: really fun. It's really fun to like be in it
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and like we're all a team. Yeah, and like watching
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: my kids like power through. Like one of the most
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: enjoyable parts was we roll up to the air the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: airport hotel at ten forty five and my my son
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is pushing this airport cart with our bags and he's
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: really struggling, Like it's really hard to push. He's not
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: like coordinated in a normal sense, and this is like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: really hard and it's ten forty five and we are exhausted,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: like to our bones, and he just like without complaint,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: without he just was like, I'm going to figure out
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: how to drive this cart and like no, no complaining, No,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: he just like powered through. And I looked at him
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and I was so proud of him. I was like,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you are a freaking king, Like this was so hard
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and you're amazing, and I'm so proud of you. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it's so fun to see your kids like power through.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And I guess it's probably nice to that even though
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: it was hard, it was very enjoyable. And it's also
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: not going to be that hard again, like as everybody
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: just grows up and gets older and more customed to that,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Like that's the hardest it's ever going to be.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, Paris was so much easier when I only had
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: my older three kids. I did Paris last year with
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: my older three, so it was like seven, nine and ten.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: That was easy, right, Like easy, peasy, pumpkin squeezy. This
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: was not so easy. Yeah, And a lot of it
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: was the bag situation. I don't know if I can
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: cheap out on the bags like that again, Yeah you
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: can with big suitcases, Well no, because then I would
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: have had to bring the big suitcase up and down
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the stairs right at the Airbnb, Like that would have
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: been really hard. Yeah, so I don't know.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: What about the baby who is laught behind.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: He doesn't like me at all at all. He like
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: he was excited to see me, but he is a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Seth's Oh yeah, I feel like that switch. No, no, no,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So my my three year old, my almost four year
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: old is super attached to me. I got super attached
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to me, but my two year old doesn't care for me.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: That's hilarian.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: He doesn't not like me, but he's like he could
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: take it about it, Oh sir, Yeah, he's like. It's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: interesting because he favors Seth so much, and the older one,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: who's seventeen months older, favors me so much. It feels
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: like we have like his and her babies toddlers at
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Now in the divorce, you reach get one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be very easy. It's like the parent trap. I
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: always thought that was terrible until I'm like, well, i'll
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: take my child, you take your toddler. Yeah, I'll work out.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But it's funny because I usually drive our car and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the youngest sits behind me, and then my child sits
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: behind him and so whenever we go anywhere, we park
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: and then we both like cross and meet each other
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: because my child will only let me take him out
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: and his child will only let him take him out.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Funny.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like ridiculous. But yeah, No, he was
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: happy to see me but.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Didn't miss me, and South was saying extremely relaxed.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: You go like, like I think, so, I think because
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he only had one kid, and the kid was in
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: childcare most of the day, and so he just was like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: there's only one of them. How long did you have
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: just one kid for seventeen months? Do you look back
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: now and think that was just too easy?
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Like what were we doing with our time?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I know, because it was I found it very hardly. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I remember feeling really overwhelmed by it. And I don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: blame myself, like I don't like, I don't laugh at
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: myself from back then, because like I didn't I had
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: never been around a baby before. Yeah, Like I didn't
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: have to change a diaper until she was born. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: didn't know that I was supposed to burp her ever,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: but like she would have spit up and cried so
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: much less had I just freaking burped her I thought
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that was just like a thing that like they did
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in movies. I didn't know you were actually supposed to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: burke a baby. Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Well mine had reflex so bad that I thought with
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: gas for so long that I was just like slapping
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: hood back so many days.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So it's better if you rub it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Actually it mass if you rub it, all that bruised
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: back probably and it was actually reflex. Oh yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: No, So it was a real big learning curve. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I was also tired, and you know, it's touff. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I also lost my identity because I stopped working. Yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: so that first, and then I was pregnant like really quickly. Yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And so then I was like feeling sick and you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: hormonal all over again, still nursing, and it was hard.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm scared for. Gonna being
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: pregnant with a toddler is going to be insane.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't nap, Like you don't have the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: luxury of that first pregnancy where you're like, I'm just
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: gonna go nap.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd never really like when I say sleep
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: when the baby sleeves, so saying, but then I get
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to do nothing all I mean you know.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's it's hard that that
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: being pregnant with a toddler is like not for the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: faint of heart. It's really difficult. I found it. I
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: found it difficult when I was puking because I get
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: very sick, and so I vividly remember like puking my
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: guts out with a toddler like standing right over me
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: as I'm like violently ill, and then like sometimes I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: have to comfort the toddler that I'm okay, mommy, okay, ba,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: like rubbing their back as I'm puking my guts out.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Waits the what point did it become like easier? I didn't,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: it just got But I mean you did it a
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: lot more times.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My third was so bad that I don't know
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: how I could. I don't know how I did it again.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Like my third pregnancy was so bad, way more times. Yeah,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: so my fourth. I So when I hired my midwife
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: with my fourth, I said to her, I was like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: if if I need zofran, you need to just prescribe it,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like there's no dicking around. You call in the prescription,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like and if that's not for you, like if you're
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: too crunchy. Then like this is not the relationship, Like
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I need someone who will call in. I'm like I
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: had three natural pregnancies and births, and like I had
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a baby on the side of the road, Like I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: not a person who begs for medicine when she has
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like a tinge of a headache, Like if I tell
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you I need sopran you call it right now. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I never needed it. My fourth pregnancy was a yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and then my fifth was pretty good too. I mean,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I think I was just allergic to New Jersey. My fourth, fifth,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and sixth were much easier than my first, second, and third.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But after each one, because it sounds like they were
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: pretty difficult at least, do you have the other kids
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: to look after it, what did you say, like, oh,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: this is the last one, I'm not doing this again.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Well we always kind of like this isn't mention and
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I need to just get through it doesn't matter how
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: hard it is.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I think after the fifth,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I thought I was done and we planned to be done,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and then God had other plans. But I mean, so
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the fifth and the sixth were really hard physically, Like
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: my hips really really really hurt. I mean I was
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: carrying ten pound babies like na and too much fluid,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: so I was carrying like a lot of weight and
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: my hips were in a lot of pain. But you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I cried a lot and I'm not a
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: crier at all, and I would cry almost every night,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and Seth would like, we had a thing. I would
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: take a bath and that would like ease some of
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: my hip pain. And then Seth would literally physically pull
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: me out of the bath and I would lay on
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the bed and I would cry, and he would dress me.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: He would put my underwear on, he would put my
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: pajama pants on, he'd put my shirt on. And I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: just cried for like the last three months of each pregnancy,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and he's just like, you're doing great. And it's so
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: funny because now when I'm tired, I'm like, will you
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: will you dress me? And he's like, no, You're fine.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell? I only get that when
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I'm pregnant. That was really nice how you were just
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: like dress me such a luxury. I didn't know that
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I would that that had an expiration dated. Yeah, no,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: it's I'm not a fan of pregnancy it's really really hard.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it, but then you
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: get the baby at the end of Yeah, it's worth it. Hi,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: this is a young Culter. Welcome to my Ricochet podcast
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and Coulter every week on Ricochet You're home to center
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: right conversation. Hey, that was pretty good.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: So it's funny. I'm not even super a baby person.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I really like when they're older.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Like, what is your favorite age.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I'm loving my three and almost four year old right now. Yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: sweetness and like super verbal and like I really like
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: every age after two.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Oh really see I'm linga. She's eight months old tomorrow.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So sweet. I'm not a fan, right, Oh my god,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: they're so funny. This is kind of like, I don't know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you put it down and she's out of the room
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: in a second, constantly move in. Can't speak.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It's great, No, no, I love the speaking. It's funny.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Like my mom My mom used to say the same thing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And it's sad because like my mom never like she
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: never even saw me get married lettleone have kids. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: my mom always used to say, the day that you
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: started talking and could make yourself a sandwich, we're the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: two happiest days of my life and I never got it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, I didn't like me
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: when I was a baby, and now I totally get it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I love having conversations with my kids. I mean we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: have like really, I mean that's the fun thing about
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: travel also is that it opens their world. And so
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: we had some crazy conversations, like we were talking about
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: obviously the American Revolution and you know there because my
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: eight year old was like, so, where is George Washington
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and all these museums we always see George Washington, Like,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's gonna be a George Washington here,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: my friend, And.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Well I didn't know who George Washington was until I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: moved here.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to bring in Mount Vernon were members.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So uh so we were talking about, you know, revolution whatever,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: and when we went to synagogue on Friday night, we
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: became friendly. We became friendly with a couple and their
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: daughter who was my oldest daughter's age. The girls became
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: friends too, And I googled him afterwards and he had
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: been arrested for saying something like a little off color
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: but not threatening at all, like he just he called
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: somebody else a Coppo, which which is like a Jew
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that cooperated with the Nazis, and like, was he wrong
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: about that guy? No, he wasn't wrong. That guy was
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: kind of a Coppo and he can get arrested and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: then yeah, and he like had to go through this
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: whole thing because you're apparently not allowed to be mean
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to people on the internet in England.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, today you could.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: And so I said, this, friends, is why we love
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the American Revolution and the First Amendment, because you can't
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: be arrested for being a jerk to people on the internet.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And you know what my troll kids said to me.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: What they say, well, that's.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Good for you, because you're a jerk on the internet, right,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's true. Got me pegged.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: They got me pegged.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: So it was like, I mean, it opens up like
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: these hole. And then we talked about when we were
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: in Churchill war rooms. We talked a ton about World
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: War Two, about Churchill, about what a tool if dr was,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: what a freaking hero Chill was, and it was it
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: was I mean, I love talking about resilience with my kids,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and like this was obviously a trip where like resilience
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: was a big theme and we were talking about the
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Blitz and like, y'all and we love we love Narnia.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And so we've seen like all the Narnia plays that
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the Museum of the Bible throws. They're amazing. If you
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: guys ever have a chance to see them, you should
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: go see the Narnia plays at the Museum of the Bible.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: And so they escape to escape the Blitz. That's why
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: they were up at that guy's house in the first
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Narnia books. And so we were talking a ton about
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the Blitz about how people used to sleep in the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: underground and you know how many and they have a
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: list of how many people died every single night that
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: and it's just like it boggles your mind that people
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: live through this. And so I was like, yeah, this
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: is like and they they could have just said, like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: we give up, we give up the ship, like please
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: stop bombing the crap out of us, and the Brits
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: were like nope. And that's why the world is the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: way it is. Is that that we don't mean. It's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: why we like we my family exist. It was because
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the Brits were like nah, nah' not giving.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Up the son. Did they enjoy it? Yeah?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually cried telling them this in the church.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I was like this, like the bravery of the British
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: people during the Blitz is like why we exist and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: like FDR wouldn't even bomb the railway lines into Auschwitz.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Like nothing to say about that man, but like this,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: this room, these rooms like changed the course of human
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: history and like our lives as Jews. And it was
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: really really cool to see it. And my older three
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: got a ton out of it. They had they had
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: audio guides for kids.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: That's pretty cool. Yeah, And they were like, my mom
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: just went to aitz. We can't really.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I have a couple of friends who are there right now. Yes,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Benson is there. I don't know the other people. I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: don't know if they've publicly said they're there, so I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: don't want to, like, you know, say anything for other people.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: But Guy has been posting that he's there. I've never been.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Oh really, it's really well. I mean everybody in Breston
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: does it as a school trip at some point. Currently, Yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: most schools will do far a couple of hours. Yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I mean the difference between like America and Brestain is
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: access to the entire Europe is like sixty bucks. You
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: can don't want to fly into the sixty bucks. It's
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the one thing I actually really may I bet that too.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I mean a couple of times, me and my friends
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: in Wales, we would fly from Cardiff to Spain just
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: for like the day. Yeah, we did that a couple
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: of times, and it was a twelve pound flight, so
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: it's about fifteen bucks. Yeah, because we worked out it
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: would be cheaper to go to Spain for a day
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: with these decades that it would to have like a
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: big night out in Cardiff in our city. So we
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: got an airbnb. It was like eight bucks each. Yeah,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: it was crazy.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: We flew in the morning and went back. Well I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: think we did twenty four hours, so we spent the night.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I have a friend that just did twenty four or
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: not twenty four. She like woke up in d C,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: got the first flight to Orlando, spent the entire day
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: in Orlando, and then took the last flight out of Orlando.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And she didn't even sleep there. She just came back
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to DC. Yeah, she had a great hive let.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds great.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now she was there the whole day. She was
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: in the parks, by like ten am, and she was
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: there until like eight pm.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: It's cool.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the rest.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: It is pretty good to that. Like, I think I've
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: done a couple of forty five minute fights and been
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: in some way pretty incredible. I don't but there's maybe
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: two hours.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm already thinking about like the next crazy
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: trip that I.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Was just gonna say, Yeah, what is the next trip?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So we're spending five weeks like from Thanksgiving to New
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Year's in Israel. Yeah, so it's my daughter's bought Mitzvah
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and I save I've been saving money basically all of
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: my kid's entire lives for their bar and bought Mitzvah's
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: with like a big trip in mind. So this is
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the first one. So I mean I've been saving, like
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I have twenty five thousand dollars
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: saved for this trip. I don't think I'm going to
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: use all of it, but I like I wanted to
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: have a really nice trip. Yeah ready, So I mean
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I've been saving money and then I've been investing it,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: and like every time she gets money from like a
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: grandparent or something, I throw it into that account and it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Grows it's fun.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: What a good coste. Yeah, so I like I say
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty dollars a month per per
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: kid for that fund and then it grows.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: So we're not really having a party. We're having like
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna we're gonna have family only at
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like a synagogue, right and it'll be nice to get
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: everybody together because we haven't really done that since our wedding.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: But it's not gonna be a big party. Like, it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: just gonna be family and having a meal and like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you know, doing a slide show. Like, it's not gonna
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: be a huge party. The thing is the trip, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do five weeks.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Are you going to travel?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna stay four of the five weeks in
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Jerusalem and then we're gonna stay the last week. You know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: all things going well in the north like near sort
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: of like near the Sea of Galilee, and so we'll
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: spend a week up there as a plan. We'll see
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: how it goes. The flights are really stressing me out
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: right now because no, no foreign airline is flying there
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: right now because the Houties bombed the airport successfully. Oops,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: they didn't quite land in the airport, but they got
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: very close. They like a ballistic missile created a huge
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: crater right next to them. So like every foreign airline
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, we're gonna pause on air flights, and
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they haven't unpaused yet. So the only airlines that are
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: flying there are Israeli airlines and they have taken the
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: opportunity to make money. Yeah, so it's like ten thousand
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: dollars for my family. Not so I'm hoping that. I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: don't know what to do. I haven't bought the tickets
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: yet November. Yeah, so I don't know what to do.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should like wait and hope
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that the that the war slows down at the foreign
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: airline start flying again, that will be a lot cheaper.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, could you do a fly somewhere else in that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: So we've been thinking about it, but the only airlines
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that are flying are Israeli and so from Israel, from
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Europe to Israel, it's still only Israeli's No one else
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: is flying into Israel right now. And so I looked
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: at like l Al is the main airline. If I
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: were to fly like Rome to ll it's fourth or
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Rome to Tel Aviv on l Al It's four thousand
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: dollars for my family just for that little hop because
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: they're like they're making money. They have a captive audience
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: right now. So I don't know what to do. I
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: don't know if I should just buy the tickets before
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: they jack up even more, because we have to buy
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: eight tickets, Like, so should I just swallow it and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: spend ten thousand now thinking maybe it'll go up?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Or do I wait? Yeah?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Do I wait and hope that the foreign airlines start
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: flying again and that the war calms down. I don't
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: know what to do.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: What are you? Where are you staying in jurisdem I.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Got an Airbnb kind of situation. It's like it's an
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: apartment and that's already like booked and paid for and done.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I got a really good deal on it. So I've
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: been like searching all the flights and everything. And it
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: was funny because I was I was. I had my
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: eyes on a couple of flights that were on Left
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Hanza from here really disappeared either. I think that Left
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Hansa's like, I don't know if we're gonna flight it
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: is really anywhere. I don't know if it's worth it
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: for us.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's it's six six months away. Yeah,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I think I would.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Wait, I think I might. The problem is that the
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: reason why these flights are in such in the air
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: it's not even the war in Gaza. It's the Hooties
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and Yemen. They're the ones that are sending the ballistic
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: missiles and they're the one that hit the airport was
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the Houties. So they're just like jackasses and like back
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: off into Pamba, I know, come on, yeah January, can
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you stop until January? And like, also, my Israeli friends
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: are I know, I have at least a couple of
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Israeli friends that listen to this. So I'm gonna sound
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: like such a brat, but like I don't want to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: run to a shelter with my kids, Like I don't
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: want that to be their first experience of Israel, like
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: running to a shelter, because like it's not infrequent that
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: like a siren goes off, Like it happens at least
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: once a week, where a siren goes off and you
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: have to run to a shelter. Yeah, that's not and
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want my kids to have that experience. I'm
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: not super interested in that.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Is it a chance Seal cancel the whole tribe?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: No, Hacker high water.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: No.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I mean it would really have to be like extremely
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: serious war for us to to cancel the trip, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it'll get to that point. Like it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: been on the downturn in Gaza for a while, the
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: houties in large part to responding to what's going on
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. I don't know. I just I would really
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: like the tickets to come down. Yeah, it's like and
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I think they'll go down. But if you if you're
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: going in July, I would be like, just eat the calls.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: But November's a while away.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I'm thinking. So yeah, so that'll be really
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: fun and so that that's like, No, I mean that's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: November to So we have the last two years now
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: done a spring Europe trip, but I think that might
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: be too much. I think we might do like a
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Florida trip in March or or something that would be nice, yeah,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: instead of doing Europe again, because I think that'll be
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: too much to do five weeks away.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I'm loving Florida lately. I'm really thinking about doing a
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Florida trip. I just want sound fine.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: With the fam or yeah, yeah, Seth's family. We have
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: like a house that his parents co own with his
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: uncle and so anyone in the family can use it.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: And so there's a house in Boca that we can
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: use whenever we WOA nice and it's like got a pool,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: it's super fun.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I need.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: The last time we went, the first day we got there,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: my red headed children did not reapply sunscreen and so
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: they all got burned and realized. I was like, guys,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: this is day one of a seven day trip. You
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: were not allowed to have your sunburn, but they did.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: They were really sunburned.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, burned. My baby has her first diaper rash right now,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: and it's like, it's really bad.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I think you sent me a picture of her just
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: like buck naked.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna send you over over button after that.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: It's really it's really sad because every time I even
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: go and it's got a little bit of a yeast infections.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Did you use the use infection cream on it? Yeah?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Like Monaster Yeah, like adult.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: NEA's not neo statn is that what it's called. The
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: dogs told me to get Monaster like just to describe
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you something.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Well, well, she was like, we can either prescribe it
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: to you or you can go and get it right
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: now from the from the shop next door. I was like,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: a guy, I'll just do that.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I always get the prescription. It's just a couple of bucks.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We we were like, how can we do this quick?
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: We're big fans of uh not Vassaline aquifer.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: We're very sensitive skinned children.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like for the first nine months,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, for the first eight months, I was like, oh,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: she's saying that diaper ash. I was so smug, And
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: then she comes out with this like level ten diaper
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Ash's where I think it from tee. Then it's so bad.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: It's so painful. Yeah, and she's sleeping through the night
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: right now, and I'm having to like wake her up
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: to make a screen to change the.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Diaper to keep it dry.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's very bad.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the worst. Yeah. My my my oldest used
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to get that because I was an idiot face and
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: tried to do cloth diapers.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just can't know. Why wouldn't anybody make their
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: life with that? I was so poor because what I
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: was so poor.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And I also was like super like ideological about the
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: dumbest things.
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  Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, I agree with that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: When I got pregnant, there were hills that I would
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: die on that I didn't need to die on. And
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: now I look back and I'm like, why did I
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: even think that that kind of worked out like that?
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: There were so there's so many hills. There were so
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: many dumb, dumb hills that I died on.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: But I think it's because you're in pregnancy. You feel
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: so you feel so like you want to be in
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: control and like you want to be the boss of
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: your own body and your own birth experience and your
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: own postpossum experience, you know, so you will just go
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: like really hard on certain issues that they come out
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: of the wash, they don't really max it afterwards. Then
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I think I was.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Also like really self conscious in large part, I think
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: because I had no experience with babies, and so I
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: had to like be really sure of myself about dumb
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: stuff like cloth diapering.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: That like how long did you cloth diaperfore?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: A long time? Actually, yeah, like two years. My second
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: kid had a lot of Thank god, it was so
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: it was like the the best possible actual end scenario,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: But he had a lot of food allergies that it
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: took us about ten months to diagnose. And we were
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: testing him for some really scary stuff and he was
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: doing like he just was vomiting NonStop. And we did
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: an endoscopy and a colon. Yeah, we did an endoscopy.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: We did the two both ends endoscopy and whatever it
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: is up and down test like what was going on
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: in We almost put him on a feeding tube because
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: he was failure to thrive for so long because he
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: just he didn't wait.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: That it was my second Okay, that's terrifying.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It was really scary. We were testing him for a
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: lot of really scary things and so he could so
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: he was just he was spitting up. It wasn't spit up,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: it was vomit like. He was just vomiting NonStop for
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: basically when he started solids at six months old, which
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: is why I thought it was food. No one else
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: thought it was food, but I was convinced it was
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: food from when he started solids when he was six
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: months old until like ten months when we when I
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: figured it out, not we, I figured it out. So
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: he was allergic to the to the proteins and some
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: foods and so in uh foods that had soy dairy
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: and we think gluten also, we're not sure about that one.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: So he was like, we were talking about putting him
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: on a feeding tube like we had done. We had
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: done those tests. Nothing came back, nothing was coming back,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: and he was failure to thrive and just crying NonStop,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: throwing up NonStop. He could only sleep sitting up, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: so I had to hold him in a rocking chair
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: so that he could sleep, and usually I was nursing
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: him because if he was, if he got it would
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: keep it down if he was nursing. And so I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: basically just held him sitting up, nursing him all night long.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: What did you have to give up? Yes? I break then.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: So those four months that was my life. I just
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: slept sitting up, holding him, nursing, and I was that
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: was when I gave up the cloth I bring. I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't even see straight. I don't even
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: know my own name anymore.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Child.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was really stressed out because we're testing
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: him for some really scary things and I had no help, like,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: no no help.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: So I decided so we had spent the night in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the emergency room because it was so bad one night,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and I decided the next morning. I was like, I'm
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: convinced it's food and him and I are going to
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: go on extreme elimination diet. And the doctors were telling
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: me not to because they were like, he needs he
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: needs food, like he needs protein. And I was like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I know, I think this is food. Y'all are not
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: coming up with any answers, and so I'm gonna I'm
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: going to go off of everything, and he's going to
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: go off of everything. And so I like googled like
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the least allergy allergic foods and so I said, We're
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: only going to eat rice, chicken, and roasted vegetables and
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: nothing else, me or him only olive oil, like truly nothing.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: And I did that for three days, and so I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: was going into my pediatrician two or three times a
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: week to weigh him, like it was like it was
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: really bad. And I went in the Monday morning and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: he gained weight for the first time in months, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: the and the nurse started crying.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: She's like, what did you do, like.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Eating basically nothing? Oh my god, It's like keep doing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that and so I kept up with that extreme elimination
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: diet and he kept he kept gaining, and he started
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: to get better and he wasn't throwing up as much.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: And so then I slowly started to add things. Eggs
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I could add, fruits I could add, but then he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: had really bad reactions to soy and dairy, and so
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: that was like totally off the table. And then I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: was off the table for me too, because he would
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: even react like it was so bad that if I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: sprayed a pan with PAM and I ate what was
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: cooked on the pan with PAM. PAM has soy derivatives.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: He would throw up if I sprayed a pan for
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: food for myself.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: And that's crazy. What if you brasted at him after iteh,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: that's crazy.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: So then it was like I had to keep breastfeeding
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: because the only formula he could possibly have was like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: the hypo hypo hypo hypoallergenic that was like bazillion T dollars. Yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: So I stayed on that elimination diet for like a year.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Does he still have antities?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Thank God? No?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Why no?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: He outgrew them all.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: But it's stuff like that when the doctors mess up
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: or can't find anything that makes you die on more
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: of these hills. You know, when you have any bad experience,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: than you're like, wow, I was right and they were
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: wrong that time, so you know, isn't it.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: No, My my instinct on medical stuff is almost never wrong.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: And that's like, that's one of the things that I've
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: learned since becoming a mother that like my medical instincts.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: The only time I was ever wrong was I was like,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I think my my youngest, my sixth I thought that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: he had vision issues for a while a while because
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: he just like his eyes weren't focusing and whatever. It
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: turned out, there's just I was just being a dumb
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: dumb But that was the only hill I was really
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: wrong on everything else that was right for the most part.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I can diagnose strap extremely well.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to any of this.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's enough on there's some really enough ones.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Oh so, croup, I will tell you go out. If
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: it's winter, go outside, and it's an instant fix, instant
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: like cold air is like an instant, instant, instant fix
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: for group I've spent many many winter nights outside. My
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: kids all get grouped really bad. Every winter.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: You have the most stressful life.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I am a I am a I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: think I'm a pediatrician at this point, I think actually
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I've earned my m D. Yeah. No, there was one.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: What's what's what is it? When strep goes too far?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: And there was a kid I they weren't they weren't
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: scarlet fever. Oh god, scarlet fever ones. That was a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: crazy one.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: That's so terrible.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: M yep, yeah, there's some pretty bad ones.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: One of my daughters. It's funny because I'm like a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: very laid back medical parent and my daughter had a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: rash on her face that was growing her and it
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: was like a red rash that was growing and growing, growing,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: And I messaged my husband and I was like, I'm
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: bringing to the emergency room right now. And he was
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: like what, I'm like, there's that? That is a I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: don't like the looks of it at all. It looks
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: really really bad. And it was a gland in her
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: mouth stopped filtering properly and she got a staph infection
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: and the emergency room said they called my pediatrician because
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: it was like twenty twenty one and it was right
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: when every kid in the area was getting COVID and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: RSV at the same time, and she was older, like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: she wasn't like we weren't worried about that. But the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: hospital was literally full, like they had no beds for impatient.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: And they called my pediatrician and they were like, we
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: want to impatient her, but we have no beds. Are
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: her parents responsible enough because this is like a really intense,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: like very important round of antibiotics, and if they screw
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: it up like this, it's really really bad. If these
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: parents screw up this because they can't miss a dose.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: If she like if this is the last our last
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: shot at antibiotics, like if she becomes like immune to it,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: like there's no next step, like we will only send
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: her home if these parents will be like super duper
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: duper on top of it. And my pediatrician vouch for
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: us and was like, yeah, they're like they're Goodal has
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: doned the chat. Yeah, and not always, but I was,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was scary, like so they sent us
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: with a prescription to CBS and I kid you, not
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: like a grocery bag full of antibiotics. I got like
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this in my life, and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: it was like it was like twenty five mL or
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: something six times a day. Something insane crazy. It was insane.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It was so much antibiotics and it totally, by the way,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: killed her gut for like six months.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I had to give her like probiotics, probiotics, like all
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: of it to try to like rebuild because it like
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: it nuked her gut. But she kept her face.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that's the most important thing. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: was rewatching mad Man the other day. I think it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: was like, did you want to watch mad Man? I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: think it was like episode two and Sanny Draper is
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: driving a car and her hands go and she has
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: this weird thing with her hand, the switch schools with
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: anxiety and it goes and she crashes the car. The
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: two kids in the bank. And then after when she's crying,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: don't being like I want if Dandy had got a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: scar on her face, like, yeah, she could have died,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: and she literally sides like what would have been worse
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: is for her to stay alive with a little scar
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: on her face because that would have just ruined her
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: life forever. Yeah, I see why we all hate Sally
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Drape And I think that she's a terrible mother because
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: I kind of forgot how bad she was, but yeah, no, I.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Met literally her face like she kept her face. Yeah,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: it's like a flesh eating horrible.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: It's not like she's not gonna be on the cover
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: of Vogue.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: No no, no, it was like I mean, if I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: always tell my kids, like, thank God for modern medicine,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: because like she one percent would have died if this
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: were like George Washington's time that note.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Guys, it's very fast, it's non stressful.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: But you know then you have great stories to tell
• 1:07:01
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