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The Time a Soviet Premier Was Banned From Disneyland · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you for tuning in.
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Speaker 1: We hope that you brought a fluffy coat or a
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Speaker 1: nice heavy blanket because this episode is going to be
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Speaker 1: cold cold war esque. Look, not all the intros are
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Speaker 1: going to be winners. Hi, I'm ben. You've never seen
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Speaker 1: those space blankets that they give the refugee children. I
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Speaker 1: have one in my car. I'm sorry, I really took
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Speaker 1: a dark turn there, but they look like the things
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Speaker 1: you put in your window to keep the sun from
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Speaker 1: heating up your tight leather seats. Yeah, those emergency blankets
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Speaker 1: are incredible and if you, uh, if you are someone
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Speaker 1: who routinely drives long distances, I highly recommend putting one
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Speaker 1: in your go bag, and also one of those things
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Speaker 1: you can use to break the glass from the inside
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Speaker 1: in case you ever go off a cliff or into
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Speaker 1: the ocean or a lake somebody of water. They and
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Speaker 1: make sure you get the kind that will let you
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Speaker 1: cut the seatbelt. Well, it's like an extra attachment, a
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Speaker 1: little razor almost right behind the hammer. But why are
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Speaker 1: we talking about being prepared? Why are we talking about
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Speaker 1: cold war stuff? Hey? Your null right? Oh? Yeah? Still me?
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Speaker 1: And who who is that handsome devil just outside the
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Speaker 1: booth on the ones and twos. So that good boy
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Speaker 1: out there, our boy Casey Pegram, Yes, super producer Casey Pegram.
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Speaker 1: Remember that song by Data called I'm Going to Disneyland. Yeah? Actually, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's like this is a part where it says, hitched
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Speaker 1: the rat on a monkey's back, headed west into the black,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Disneyland. Bang dang dang to dang dang
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Speaker 1: dang diggod. He's not going to Disneyland. Nikita Kruschev. Yep.
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Speaker 1: We were going to uh tease it out a little
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Speaker 1: bit with the history of Disneyland, but let's let's just
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Speaker 1: get right to the heart of the matter. Disneyland is
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Speaker 1: an iconic American thing, right, It's one of the world's
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Speaker 1: most famous amusement parks, and people from across the planet
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Speaker 1: associated with the American dream, the iconic image of what
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Speaker 1: Americans do for fun. Right. You've you've probably met some
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Speaker 1: people from abroad who just assume you've been to Disneyland.
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Speaker 1: What do you do with Disneyland, Ben, Well, let's see
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Speaker 1: you can watch the fireworks for free that you have
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Speaker 1: seen that. I've been to Anahei and I did not
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Speaker 1: go to Disneyland, but those fireworks probably get real dull
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Speaker 1: to the people that live there, and they're just like,
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Speaker 1: oh look, now you would call I saw them. I
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Speaker 1: saw them too, because I was in the same car
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Speaker 1: driving us back from the beach. You're right, Ben, My
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Speaker 1: I have a short memory when it comes to beach
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Speaker 1: related things. So with with this in mind, we also
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Speaker 1: have to look at the context of the Cold War,
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Speaker 1: and when we talk about the Cold War, we must
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Speaker 1: mention and explore the life and times of the Soviet
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Speaker 1: leader Nikita Khrushchev. Or is he's called in one of
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Speaker 1: those press releases of the time. Oh yeah, that's give
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Speaker 1: us newsreel. Well, I don't know, let's just hear it.
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Speaker 1: Salvia Premier Kruschof meets the Masters of movie on at
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Speaker 1: a studio luncheon on the twentieth Century Fox lot in Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: I'm meeting at which Mr K gives himself quite a
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Speaker 1: build up. Yes, I don't know if this guy is
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Speaker 1: like smarter than us and all the rest of the
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Speaker 1: people I have ever heard pronounced his name, but he
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Speaker 1: says it a little funny yeah, And I wonder yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I wonder too if this is a matter of
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Speaker 1: the The vestige is of Transatlantic accent that was used
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Speaker 1: commonly back in the day for broadcast and radio. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's secretly like a dig they're mispronouncing his name on purpose,
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Speaker 1: and maybe it's some nefarious attempt at propagandistic demeaning. Because
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. This clip that we just heard, obviously
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Speaker 1: was from Krushchev's tour of the United States in nineteen
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Speaker 1: fifty nine. Um, and you know, he did the kind
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Speaker 1: of touristy things you think you might do. He went
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Speaker 1: to New York City, went to Los Angeles and Des Moines.
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Speaker 1: What he went to Des Moines. It's a weird choice.
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Speaker 1: It's a very popular, very popular city. What's Americans? Man? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So he was touring the American dream. So he had
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Speaker 1: to see what it's like in the big cities, and
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Speaker 1: then he had to see what it's like in Des Moines,
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Speaker 1: which I'm sure it's lovely by the way. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's the capital and most populous city in Iowa. It's
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Speaker 1: the it's the big ten to Viowa. I think that's
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Speaker 1: where Slipknot the band is from. Believe it right, it's
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Speaker 1: definitely Iowa, right, And off air while we were prepping
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Speaker 1: for this episode, Casey brought up a fantastic parallel that
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Speaker 1: nicely compliments our Krushchev Khrushchev question. Uh, Casey, maybe could
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Speaker 1: you explain it for us on the Case? Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was thinking if maybe, um, when they first started reporting
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Speaker 1: on this guy, they didn't have the pronunciation quite down yet,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of seems to have happened much more
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Speaker 1: recently in the news with Robert Muller or as he
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Speaker 1: was initially known, Robert Mueller. And it's kind of strange,
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Speaker 1: how like all the news coverage sort of shifted to
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Speaker 1: that updated pronunciation. Just something I kind of picked up on,
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Speaker 1: and that's been Casey on the Case. I love that segment.
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Speaker 1: I love that guy, Yes, unreservedly. Someone who was a
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Speaker 1: little bit tougher to love, of course, was Nikita Krushchev.
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Speaker 1: What what do you say now? You want to talk
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Speaker 1: a little bit about his life and times, his rise
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Speaker 1: to power pre U s tour. Have you seen the
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Speaker 1: Death of stalin the movie So Good? If anyone hasn't seen,
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Speaker 1: I highly recommend it to get a little info on
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Speaker 1: what led to Khrushchev gaining power. He was born in
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Speaker 1: April fifteenth of eighteen ninety four in a Russian village
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Speaker 1: called kilinovka Um, and he ended up joining the Bolsheviks,
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Speaker 1: the Communist Bolsheviks, and rising in the ranks quite quickly
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Speaker 1: found his way into the inner circle of our man,
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Speaker 1: Joseph stalin Um, who ruled Soviet Russia with an iron fist.
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Speaker 1: I would platinum. This was neutron star of the fist,
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Speaker 1: massive pressure. In fact, the death of Stalin, the historical occurrence,
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Speaker 1: not just the film, could be its own episode because
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Speaker 1: it is tragically ridiculous, tragically in the movie really leans
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Speaker 1: on that. It's this incredible director, satirist Armando Nucci, who
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Speaker 1: was responsible for the show Veep, and he also did
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Speaker 1: another show that was similarly satirical and political called The
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Speaker 1: Thick of It that aired on British television. But this
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Speaker 1: film Death of Stalin, it uses the absurdity that you
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Speaker 1: might see in something like Curb Your Enthusiasm, This kind
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Speaker 1: of like slapstick, almost just cartoonish buffoonery of the jockeyings
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Speaker 1: of these various members of Stalin's inner circle two one
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Speaker 1: up each other and get the upper hand after the
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Speaker 1: leader dies, and in the end Kruschev, who's played by
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Speaker 1: Steve Bushemy, who doesn't put on a Russian accident. That's
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Speaker 1: part of the joy of the movie too, And they
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Speaker 1: all use their own voices. And your first question whenever
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Speaker 1: you're kind of plating scene the film is, is Steve
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Speaker 1: Bushemy in it? So this has the seal of and
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Speaker 1: he plays Kruschev and it's he plays it so I
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Speaker 1: don't know what the words. It's like, he's he's got that.
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Speaker 1: He's got that Steve Bushemy skittering nervous energy, just like
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Speaker 1: you'd think. He's not Peter Lore very much. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Peter Lory, like who does um, well, he did all
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Speaker 1: those monster movies, right, uh yeah. Anyway, he's got that
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Speaker 1: look with those those eyes. Yeah, dreamy, slash, sunken and large.
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Speaker 1: You know who else has that look? Is the protagonist
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Speaker 1: in um oh, what's that? Mr Robot? Yeah yeah, Romo
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Speaker 1: Malick's playing playing Freddie Mercury and the New Queen biopic
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Speaker 1: it looks okay. Yeah, it was supposed to be Sasha
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Speaker 1: Baron Cohen, but they left over creative differences, which is
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Speaker 1: a shame. I'd love to see that film. Well, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised that those creative differences remain, and they
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Speaker 1: wash over some of the uh more controversial parts of
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Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury store. But we're not talking about Freddie Mercury.
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Speaker 1: So before before we get to Kruschev, let's step back
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Speaker 1: to the death of Stalin and right before his life,
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Speaker 1: because we say that he ruled with with a massive
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Speaker 1: heavy hand, and we hear that often about different political leaders,
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Speaker 1: but in Stalin's case, this, uh, this is not an exaggeration,
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Speaker 1: and that is a very unfortunate truth. He was legendary
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Speaker 1: for not just killing people, but removing them from history,
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Speaker 1: having them scrubbed out of photographs. He was brutal, ruthless, relentless,
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Speaker 1: had no friends, only interest, and was also known to
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Speaker 1: regularly replace members of his inner circle, not if they
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Speaker 1: not because they had done anything or even tried to
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Speaker 1: do anything, but because he did not want someone consistently
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Speaker 1: being there, because he saw that as just a longer
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Speaker 1: length of time for them to undermine him or try
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Speaker 1: to grab powers. That kind of paranoia that everyone will
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Speaker 1: eventually betray me. And that's why this is the way
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Speaker 1: that it's depicted in this movie is so cool because
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Speaker 1: it's just this, no one trusts anybody, because that's the
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Speaker 1: precedent that's been set, and that's the attitude that kind
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Speaker 1: of pervaded throughout the whole thing. We're gonna talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit about his death. He died, as you said,
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Speaker 1: March in nineteen fifty three, on the first of March.
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Speaker 1: A few days beforehand, his staff found him semi conscious
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Speaker 1: on the bed room floor. He he had suffered a
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Speaker 1: cerebral hemorrhage. And even now after this very terrible, difficult death,
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Speaker 1: people still suspect that he may have been murdered. So
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Speaker 1: keep this in mind when we talk about Kruschev, who,
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Speaker 1: as we established, does win this power struggle, Kruschev remains
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Speaker 1: a possible murder suspect. Everyone was suspect, right, like that was.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's this as soon as someone realizes that
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Speaker 1: he is dead, there's this immediate rush to point fingers
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Speaker 1: anywhere else but at oneself and his inner circle. Right.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think inspires or
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Speaker 1: informs the film the Death of Stalin is just how
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Speaker 1: terrified people were to disturb him while while he's dead. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they thought that he might still be alive, and that
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Speaker 1: they would encounter the death penalty for waking him from
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Speaker 1: his slumber that you know, turned out to be an
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Speaker 1: eternal slumber. And Kruschev, Kruschev who did succeed and become
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Speaker 1: the ruler in this chaotic why'd you call it sharade? Short,
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Speaker 1: this chaotic sharade and Khruschev becomes the first Secretary of
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Speaker 1: the Communist Party there in the USSR on the fourteenth
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Speaker 1: of September in nineteen fifty three, and then by ninety
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Speaker 1: eight March he moves up to become the chairman of
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Speaker 1: the Council of Ministers. And I believe he was already
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Speaker 1: the head of the Communist Party, the highest ranking official,
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Speaker 1: only six months after um the death of Stalin, and
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Speaker 1: then it was governed. The USSR was governed by a
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Speaker 1: collective um Many for for several years, and then he
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Speaker 1: became premier after George Malankov. That's right. Malankov was the
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Speaker 1: guy that was played by Jeffrey Tambor in the movie.
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Speaker 1: And he's sort of a patsy. The way he's been
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Speaker 1: portrayed in the movie is like he gets the top job,
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Speaker 1: but no one likes him, and he's kind of everyone
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Speaker 1: thinks he's sort of a buffoon. He likes to be
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Speaker 1: the one that's sort of the smiling face of the
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Speaker 1: you know, the party, but behind the scenes he he's
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Speaker 1: portrayed as kind of an idiot. Right, And there's uh,
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Speaker 1: there's a huge geopolitical context to this as well, because
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Speaker 1: you'll notice we mentioned different dates. In the fifties, the
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Speaker 1: Cold War is in full swing between the U s
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Speaker 1: s R. And the United States, or I mean most
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Speaker 1: particularly through them. But then that also factors in some
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Speaker 1: forces they're friendly with the USS are some forces that
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Speaker 1: are historically friendly with the US. In this time, both
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Speaker 1: leaders of these countries are attempting to minimize the possibility
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Speaker 1: of a catastrophic atomic war ultimately, right, And that's when
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Speaker 1: we see things like the concept of mutually assured destruction,
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Speaker 1: of the idea that the only way to prevent nuclear
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Speaker 1: weapons being deployed is if your enemies and also retaliate,
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Speaker 1: you know, and they know you can. So there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of propaganda that goes on. Kruschev is to this
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Speaker 1: day of the recipient of some misquotes. You know, that
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Speaker 1: history is kind of um exaggerated. What was the big
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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Ben, what's called the shoe banging incident.
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Speaker 1: You you remember this one, right, Yeah, it's like when
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Speaker 1: Bush got the shoe thrown at him, but kind of
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Speaker 1: in reverse. Oh, here's an episode idea, pitch. Tell us
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Speaker 1: what you think of this, folks, history's most important shoes
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Speaker 1: there that it could be like a new version of
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Speaker 1: weird people who built weird things, like if the shoes
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Speaker 1: that built a nation or or crushed or tore it down. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So in UH nineteen this is just an outside of
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Speaker 1: chronology example. And the in nineteen sixty at the United
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Speaker 1: Nations General Assembly UH in October, Kruschev pounded his shoe
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Speaker 1: in in public, protesting his speech by a delegate from
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Speaker 1: the Philippines, and then the story spread in a propagandistic
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Speaker 1: way and multiple versions proliferated. But this all goes to
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Speaker 1: show these were intense times and regardless of how you
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Speaker 1: feel about Kruschev and Nixon when go back to the fifties, UH,
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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that they were trying to,
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Speaker 1: at least on some levels, they were trying to prevent
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Speaker 1: a civilization leveling war, and they engaged in something that
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Speaker 1: ended up being called the Kitchen Debate. They sat down
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Speaker 1: with them and their interpreters and had what Corporate America
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Speaker 1: today would call a healthy conversation about their differing viewpoints.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't about interior design. It was not it was
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Speaker 1: not about it was not about the advantages of an
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Speaker 1: island kitchen layout, nor was it about whether or not
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Speaker 1: to have a trash compactor in the White House. Instead,
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Speaker 1: it was it was about they're vastly different views of
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Speaker 1: which economic system was superior, capitalism and uh, this representative
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Speaker 1: democracy idea or communism and a more centralized economy. Kruschev,
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Speaker 1: like Nixon, being a man with a temper, had impassioned arguments,
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Speaker 1: and it was actually it did take place in the kitchen.
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Speaker 1: It was in a model kitchen at the American National
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Speaker 1: Exhibition in Moscow. So it's like you and me getting
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Speaker 1: in a fight at an idea that's not too much
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Speaker 1: of a stretchman. Every time I go into an I KE,
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Speaker 1: I feel like I go a little bit insane, the
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Speaker 1: way they trap you and those hedge mazes of tiny
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Speaker 1: furniture and accessories. You got to know the shortcut. I
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Speaker 1: know the shortcuts, man, but it still doesn't just it
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Speaker 1: it's it's so it hurts my brain and I always
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Speaker 1: find myself like this close to flying off the handle.
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Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love Ikeia flying off the
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Speaker 1: tiny Swedish ergonomic handle. There we go, There we go.
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Speaker 1: H There was a guy I can't remember where it was,
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Speaker 1: it was definitely in the States who, while as apartment
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Speaker 1: was being fixed, cracked to deal with his local Ikea
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Speaker 1: to live there. Did you hear about that? Yeah? I
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Speaker 1: wonder if you could pull that kind of scenario off
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Speaker 1: in an Ikea. I feel like he could hide under,
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Speaker 1: you know, one of those little hideaway beds and yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of stowaway and the Ikea. They have
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Speaker 1: a lot of cameras that in surprising places. But but
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Speaker 1: I guess all that has to do with today's episode
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Speaker 1: is mass surveillance. Right, So what's the outcome of this debate?
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Speaker 1: They're just verbally abusing each other. It did not come
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Speaker 1: to fisticuffs, and it appeared to have a good result,
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Speaker 1: thank god. What kind of result was that they agreed
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Speaker 1: that Kruschev, the leader of the Soviet Union, would visit
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Speaker 1: the US. Mr Kruschev comes to Washington, right, and uh,
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Speaker 1: this comes about so to be clear, Richard Nixon was
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Speaker 1: Vice prior ssident at this time when he was visiting Moscow.
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Speaker 1: It's not as if the president of the time visited Russia,
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Speaker 1: that would be Dwight Eisenhower. So President Eisenhower decided to
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Speaker 1: invite Krushchev kind of inspired by this kitchen debate talk
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Speaker 1: and also by some concerns about Berlin. Yeah for sure,
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Speaker 1: because it was also Kruschev. I believe that. Okay, the
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Speaker 1: building of the Berlin Wall. Yeah, tensions are high. So
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Speaker 1: what do you do when then with a diplomatic tour
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Speaker 1: like this, Benjamin well nol Jaman, you are immediately confronted
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Speaker 1: by a ton of considerations, first what we call today
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Speaker 1: the optics, right, uh, and then in both sides probably
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Speaker 1: have competing opinions about what should be depicted, because let's
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Speaker 1: go for show. I mean, let's be real, what else
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Speaker 1: is there to accomplish? You know? I even read like
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Speaker 1: he came back at the end for some very unproductive talks,
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Speaker 1: which I'm sure ultimately these kitchen debates didn't exactly set
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Speaker 1: the world on fire in terms of like, oh communism
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Speaker 1: is good or oh capitalism is good. It's like maybe
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Speaker 1: we just should hang out and not shoot missiles at
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Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, which is an excellent starting point. You know, Ben,
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Speaker 1: when you put it like that, that a is a
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Speaker 1: pretty good outcome. I don't know what I was saying,
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Speaker 1: but Ben considerations. Well, first off, wouldn't it have been amazing?
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't the world be such a different place if either
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Speaker 1: of them had persuaded the other one. I I just
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Speaker 1: I'm interested in your idea because can you imagine Nixon
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Speaker 1: coming back to the US and saying, Guys, I got
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Speaker 1: in an argument in this model kitchen, and I'm convinced
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Speaker 1: we should be communist. That would be amazing. He probably
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been president, something that would have gone over
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Speaker 1: too well with these small business owners of America. So
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Speaker 1: we found this great article on the Smithsonian Nikita Kruschev
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Speaker 1: goes to Hollywood that examines some of the timeline and
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Speaker 1: some of some of the factors playing into this famous visit.
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Speaker 1: And we mentioned optics. But another huge, huge concern is security,
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Speaker 1: right Yeah, I mean they had like parades in Washington.
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Speaker 1: I think it was some of the biggest attendants of
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Speaker 1: any foreign dignitary centric parade, right because people wanted to
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Speaker 1: get a load of this guy, right, I mean, this
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Speaker 1: was like a he loomed large in the consciousness of
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Speaker 1: the American public being. You know, this big bad kind
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Speaker 1: of you know that was like pointing missiles at us. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and he can cover and all that, right, Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: he was such a ham when he initially showed up there. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Eisenhower read a welcoming speech when Kruschev landed uh in
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Speaker 1: September nine, and during the whole time Kruschev was mugging
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Speaker 1: was it was like doing he was like like he
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Speaker 1: like was purse snatching. Yeah, that's when he's doing from
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Speaker 1: the stage, which was really weird. People just kept walking up.
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Speaker 1: That's tough, man. He's doing a Luckily, he's doing a
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Speaker 1: much friendlier version that he was. Like picture him. He's
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Speaker 1: a goofy looking dude. Yeah, oh yeah. He's got a
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Speaker 1: big old gap tooth and in this like kind of
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Speaker 1: funny double chin and and just like a odd shaped
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Speaker 1: face and his head shaved head, just very clownish kind
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Speaker 1: of look. And I'm not that's not passing judgment. And
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Speaker 1: just look at the guy. He's got an odd vibe
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Speaker 1: and he uh, he embraced it, at least at this
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Speaker 1: part because while wild eyes now I was talking, he
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Speaker 1: was like waving his hat at people. He winked it
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Speaker 1: a little girl. Uh. He clearly wasn't paying too much
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Speaker 1: attention because remember he was he hears English through interpreters, right,
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Speaker 1: So he saw a butterfly go by and just had
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Speaker 1: to turn and like yes, yes in America, one reporter.
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Speaker 1: One reporter said he stole the show with the studied
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Speaker 1: nonchalance of an old vaudeville trooper. That you know, that's funny.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this picture too, um from that news
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Speaker 1: clip we played earlier, and it's it's him posing next
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Speaker 1: to Ike, and I believe Eisenhower's wife and Eisenhower's just
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Speaker 1: stony faced with his arms across in front of him.
21:17
Speaker 1: In Kruschev is just goofully grinning from ear to ear
21:22
Speaker 1: because he gotta think, man, he was probably being cocky
21:25
Speaker 1: about it, right, and it's like, I mean, we welcome
21:27
Speaker 1: him with open arms, you know, gave him a parade.
21:31
Speaker 1: He sort of probably felt like he had he got
21:33
Speaker 1: one over on old Ike. Yeah, and then he also
21:37
Speaker 1: he felt like this was an opportunity. We're speculating here,
21:41
Speaker 1: but he also had to feel like this is an
21:43
Speaker 1: opportunity to show the people of the US that I'm
21:48
Speaker 1: not this scary, monstrous entity. But he's you can find
21:54
Speaker 1: these great annecdotes of different parts of his visit. But
21:57
Speaker 1: we we also have to admit a lot of this
22:01
Speaker 1: was calculated, right, it had to be. And he Uh,
22:05
Speaker 1: there's this story where he went to a farm in
22:07
Speaker 1: Maryland and he quote petted a pig and complained that
22:12
Speaker 1: it was too fat, then grabbed a turkey and griped
22:14
Speaker 1: that it was too small. So he's just like doing
22:17
Speaker 1: live comedy. Bo I saw a thing about the turkey.
22:20
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, in in Russia, we only like fat turkeys.
22:24
Speaker 1: It's just like, what what do you know? What kind
22:26
Speaker 1: of things say is that? And um, you know, all
22:29
Speaker 1: seems to be going to plan. I still want to
22:31
Speaker 1: know what he did in Des Moines, probably visited. I
22:34
Speaker 1: get he was doing like the Heartland kind of situation, right, yeah. Yeah.
22:37
Speaker 1: The Soviet embassy in the days leading up to the
22:42
Speaker 1: visit and the week's leaning up to the visit, Uh,
22:44
Speaker 1: they received hundreds of letters from small and large towns
22:49
Speaker 1: in the US that we're inviting Khrushchev and the Soviet delegation. Uh.
22:55
Speaker 1: They were saying, like, come to our county fair, it's
22:57
Speaker 1: happening while you're in the country, you can you know,
23:00
Speaker 1: you can enter a float, said the chairman of the
23:03
Speaker 1: Minnesota Apple Festival. If you have an idea, let us know.
23:07
Speaker 1: I gotta go. And I found a picture of him
23:09
Speaker 1: on his visit to Des Moines where there's quite a
23:13
Speaker 1: rotund fellow in front of him wearing some overalls and
23:17
Speaker 1: you see Kruschev patting his belly, and the quote next
23:20
Speaker 1: to the picture is, now that is it a real American? Okay, okay,
23:26
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the gonna be the Russian accent, I
23:28
Speaker 1: think so. I think it's in good fun. It's in
23:30
Speaker 1: good fun and in good faith, only good faith. Yere
23:34
Speaker 1: so so he uh, he had all these these strange,
23:38
Speaker 1: amazing dog and pony show moments. Yeah, hilarious encounters, I
23:44
Speaker 1: would say. And what what I always think is missing
23:48
Speaker 1: from this story and what I would love to learn
23:50
Speaker 1: more about, is what that interpreter went through, because you know,
23:54
Speaker 1: he had to basically be Kruschev's shadow, yeah, and translate
23:58
Speaker 1: whatever wild cockamami stuff this guy was spouting off with
24:02
Speaker 1: into something that sounded reasonable. Yes, that's true. Always wondered
24:06
Speaker 1: about that. Do do uh interpreters ever editorialized. Do you
24:09
Speaker 1: think they're ever given like special instructions from like higher
24:14
Speaker 1: ups where it's like, look, don't translate exactly what this
24:18
Speaker 1: crazy dude says. Try to soften the blow a little bit,
24:21
Speaker 1: you know. You know, there are some pretty hard and
24:24
Speaker 1: fast rules about that, depending on what type of interpretation
24:28
Speaker 1: or what kind of sphere it occurs in. But one
24:31
Speaker 1: of the weird things about these different languages is that
24:35
Speaker 1: in some languages you can say things in a way
24:38
Speaker 1: that you cannot in other languages. Right, So you might say, um,
24:43
Speaker 1: tell them I want to make the deal, but it's
24:45
Speaker 1: no walk in the park. And if they say that
24:47
Speaker 1: in the other language, that doesn't make any sense. That's
24:51
Speaker 1: so they have to say something else, might be something
24:53
Speaker 1: like it. There's that's no butter on the blanket, right,
24:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what makes me think of
24:58
Speaker 1: DOO is those people that do sign language and concerts.
25:01
Speaker 1: Surely they're taking some liberties as well. That's just you know,
25:03
Speaker 1: a lot of information going by. I'm interested. I'm very
25:07
Speaker 1: interested in that. You know. Uh, it may surprise some
25:10
Speaker 1: people to learn that signing the signing languages also differ
25:15
Speaker 1: by language. There's like we know a s l here
25:18
Speaker 1: in the US, we know of it. Rather, but if
25:22
Speaker 1: someone who is who can sign travels to China or
25:25
Speaker 1: more appropriately Russia for this episode, uh, they might be
25:29
Speaker 1: entirely adrift. See we haven't lost the plot. We're still
25:33
Speaker 1: talking about Russia. Yeah, we got there. So let's let's
25:35
Speaker 1: get to the heart of the matter. Everything's everything, at
25:38
Speaker 1: least from Yeah, he's having a great time. Uh. He
25:44
Speaker 1: goes to Hollywood and people are super excited to see him.
25:48
Speaker 1: I believe that the he made a deal with twentieth
25:52
Speaker 1: century Fox to watch the filming of a Broadway musical. Yeah. Yeah,
25:57
Speaker 1: I think he did a studio tour, right, and the
26:00
Speaker 1: president of twenty century Fox at the time, a man
26:03
Speaker 1: named Spiro score Us Um, introduced him at a special
26:08
Speaker 1: luncheon at Los Angeles Town Hall. Um, and this is
26:12
Speaker 1: actually where a little static got into the mix. That's
26:15
Speaker 1: kind of when things started going south. Um. Score us
26:17
Speaker 1: made a made a bit of a joke about referencing
26:21
Speaker 1: this line that Khrushchev had said in the past that
26:24
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union would bury capitalism, and he said something
26:28
Speaker 1: to the effect of, in l a, we were not
26:30
Speaker 1: interested in burying anyone but we would meet any challenge.
26:34
Speaker 1: And then Krushchev, very mithed, responds, if you want to
26:39
Speaker 1: go on with the arms race, very well, we accept
26:41
Speaker 1: that challenge. As for the output of rockets while they
26:45
Speaker 1: are on the assembly line, this is a most serious question.
26:48
Speaker 1: It is one of life or death, ladies and gentlemen,
26:50
Speaker 1: one of war and peace. That little dog and pony
26:55
Speaker 1: show took a took a turn. Yeah, those dogs started biting,
26:59
Speaker 1: but this and those ponies started kicking. I feel like
27:03
Speaker 1: they just to complete that reference. Uh, but this is
27:06
Speaker 1: just the beginning. As Billy Mays was wont to say, wait,
27:10
Speaker 1: there's more. Khrushchev, who again, as I think we said earlier,
27:15
Speaker 1: had a notorious temper. His anger went through the roof
27:19
Speaker 1: when he learned that not only was Spiro Scorros part
27:23
Speaker 1: of what he saw as a campaign to heckle him.
27:26
Speaker 1: Did you see that part? He thought there was a
27:28
Speaker 1: campaign to heckle him throughout the US, trying to make
27:30
Speaker 1: a fool of me. I know, I am the one
27:32
Speaker 1: who makes a fool of me. Oh is that a butterfly?
27:35
Speaker 1: And uh right and uh. He became even more incensed
27:41
Speaker 1: when he learned that of all the places he was going.
27:45
Speaker 1: Of all the places he had planned to visit, one
27:48
Speaker 1: was off limits to him now, and that was Disneyland.
27:52
Speaker 1: It's only the happiest place on Earth. Fireworks every night, guys,
27:56
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. So we could reasonably assume that maybe
28:01
Speaker 1: he was being punished by not being lettered to Disneyland, Like, hey,
28:06
Speaker 1: if you start threatening people, including everyone in our country,
28:10
Speaker 1: with this idea of rockets bombarding citizens, then you can't
28:14
Speaker 1: go to our funniest place. Well, now, you know, That's
28:17
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. I figured it was like someone saying, no, man,
28:20
Speaker 1: we don't want you here. Disney himself, even right who who,
28:24
Speaker 1: as we know, was no fan of communism. He's a
28:27
Speaker 1: you know, tried and true capitalist all the way. Um.
28:31
Speaker 1: But it turns out it was as much more likely
28:33
Speaker 1: that the security you were talking about ben those considerations.
28:38
Speaker 1: It was just too much to handle for a guy
28:41
Speaker 1: like that to be able to go and have a
28:42
Speaker 1: nice fun day at Disneyland without like shutting the whole
28:45
Speaker 1: park down and devoting devoting the whole thing to him.
28:48
Speaker 1: And you know, man, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, who
28:51
Speaker 1: you are? You know, no one gets Disneyland for a day, right,
28:56
Speaker 1: not even Walt, not even Walt, and we have a
28:58
Speaker 1: we have a short clip here of Walt Disney actually
29:02
Speaker 1: speaking about Kruschev's Kruschev was a guest of the government,
29:06
Speaker 1: so I mean, we were ready to receive Kruschev. But
29:09
Speaker 1: it so happened that the security problem here in Los
29:12
Speaker 1: Angeles because actually Disneyland is in another county, and the
29:16
Speaker 1: chief of police, we can't blame him, he had, he
29:18
Speaker 1: had quite a chore there to carry out. He just
29:22
Speaker 1: was was a little worried about somebody maybe walking in
29:26
Speaker 1: Disneyland with a shopping bag and what they might have
29:28
Speaker 1: in it. She was never to know, you know, exactly.
29:31
Speaker 1: We were ready for him. The press was ready. Both
29:34
Speaker 1: the State Department security and the Soviet security had come
29:38
Speaker 1: in case Disneyland and they were all set. I was already.
29:42
Speaker 1: In fact, we've had a lot of dignitaries down there,
29:44
Speaker 1: and he was one that Mrs Disney wanted to go
29:48
Speaker 1: down and meet, was Kruschev. So she was disappointed he
29:51
Speaker 1: didn't come. Well, it's it's certainly not ever an empty place,
29:57
Speaker 1: so I can understand the security man concerned. I had
30:00
Speaker 1: we had different shops places where we take pictures with
30:03
Speaker 1: cru Chef, and I had one of my favorite where
30:05
Speaker 1: I lined up in front of my eight submarines. Will
30:10
Speaker 1: be nice. I've been pointing to Mr Kruschef, saying, well,
30:13
Speaker 1: Ms Cruscheff, here's my Disneyland submarine. It's the eighth, the
30:18
Speaker 1: eighth larger submarine fleet in the world. So despite the
30:23
Speaker 1: fact that you know there's clearly a lot of attention here,
30:26
Speaker 1: the stated official concern is that it would be, as
30:32
Speaker 1: we said, so difficult to protect him in these crowds. Right.
30:35
Speaker 1: They said they could not guarantee his safety, which even
30:38
Speaker 1: the wording of that take him the wrong way through
30:42
Speaker 1: a translator, perhaps by a particularly cantankerous man who's used
30:46
Speaker 1: to getting his way, almost sounds like a bit of
30:48
Speaker 1: a threat. And we can't guarantee your safety. And he
30:52
Speaker 1: exploded when he found out we have the quote, and
30:55
Speaker 1: I say, I would very much like to go and
30:57
Speaker 1: see Disneyland. But then we get into your security. They say,
31:02
Speaker 1: then what must I do? Commit suicide? What is it?
31:05
Speaker 1: Is there an epidemic of cholera there or something, or
31:08
Speaker 1: if gangster has taken hold of the place, that can
31:10
Speaker 1: destroy me. He left Los Angeles the next boarding in
31:14
Speaker 1: a huff, no doubt, did you read who we can
31:17
Speaker 1: kind of blame for planting this idea in his head?
31:20
Speaker 1: Who was it? Bob Hope? Apparently at that luncheon at
31:25
Speaker 1: town Hall Um where the comment was made by the
31:28
Speaker 1: twenty century Fox president, Bob Hope said that it was
31:31
Speaker 1: a lovely place and then he really should check it out.
31:34
Speaker 1: Come on, Bob Hope, causing diplomatic incidents with your congeniality.
31:39
Speaker 1: And then um, when uh Kruschev erupted this was he
31:45
Speaker 1: was surrounded by these celebrities and Frank Sinatra apparently this
31:50
Speaker 1: sounds comical, apparently leaned over to David Niven and a
31:54
Speaker 1: lot of us was senat around to Kruschev's wife wanted
31:57
Speaker 1: to that was that was more the thing and his child. Um.
32:02
Speaker 1: Sinatra leans over to David Niven and says, tell the
32:05
Speaker 1: old broad you and I will take him down there
32:08
Speaker 1: this afternoon. And so you know this, this is also
32:14
Speaker 1: one of those things where the guy feels like his
32:17
Speaker 1: social reputations on the line. If you're married, don't you
32:20
Speaker 1: want your spouse and your kid to be happy? Well,
32:22
Speaker 1: but the thing is the State Department did give the
32:25
Speaker 1: thumbs up for his wife and daughter to go to Disneyland,
32:29
Speaker 1: but he couldn't do it. And the way he's portrayed
32:32
Speaker 1: in these stories, he sounds like a big man baby
32:37
Speaker 1: where it's like I want to go to Disneyland and
32:39
Speaker 1: if I can't go, you can't go, you know, like
32:43
Speaker 1: he would deny his wife and child the joys of
32:46
Speaker 1: the happiest place on earth. What a monster, right, and
32:50
Speaker 1: is what we call, in today's common parlance not a
32:54
Speaker 1: good look. That's an early two thousand's turn of phrase.
32:56
Speaker 1: I guess. So when they say they cannot guarantee a
33:00
Speaker 1: safety and therefore he cannot go, even though other members
33:03
Speaker 1: of his entourage, including his family can, we have to
33:07
Speaker 1: understand there's if not a credible threat to security, the
33:12
Speaker 1: consequences of the Soviet premier dying in the US are huge.
33:19
Speaker 1: Nobody dies at Disneyland, been right, I think, uh, it's
33:23
Speaker 1: gonna do an episode on that a while back. Maybe
33:25
Speaker 1: we could do it on this show. But I'm talking
33:28
Speaker 1: about it's like that. Really, it's like a myth. I
33:30
Speaker 1: guess it's a common it's it's a common Internet rumor. Yes,
33:35
Speaker 1: But the thing is, if Khrushchev did somehow die, even
33:39
Speaker 1: if it was a complete accident, even if he was
33:41
Speaker 1: just walking down the street and had a heart attack,
33:43
Speaker 1: even if he got decapitated on Space Mountain, we would,
33:48
Speaker 1: as a country, dare I say, as a species, be
33:53
Speaker 1: much much closer to some sort of international arms exchange.
33:57
Speaker 1: It's a very tenuous situation. And that's why it's like,
34:00
Speaker 1: it's weird because with politics like this, on the one hand,
34:03
Speaker 1: you're like, it's all for show, But on the other hand,
34:05
Speaker 1: it's life and death, whining and dining these leaders and
34:09
Speaker 1: you know, having successful meetings in a sense that they're
34:12
Speaker 1: being respected and you know, given the five star treatment
34:16
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so even this idea of him being
34:20
Speaker 1: denied entry into Disneyland and him having a hissy fit,
34:24
Speaker 1: that could have set off an international incident, right yeah, right, uh.
34:28
Speaker 1: And they were already playing fast and loose because that
34:31
Speaker 1: that musical they mentioned. Apparently Kruschev was not a fan
34:34
Speaker 1: of that. Later he denounced it as pornographic exploitation. Didn't
34:38
Speaker 1: he meant Shirley McClain wasn't she in it? Yeah? Because
34:41
Speaker 1: in the in the musical, he saw Shirley McClain playing
34:44
Speaker 1: a dancer. Uh, And Sinatra plays a French lawyer who
34:49
Speaker 1: falls in love with McClain's character. But the creative, the
34:53
Speaker 1: crazy thing is just to give you the way the
34:56
Speaker 1: US later saw this. Uh. Wild E T. Buchan in
35:00
Speaker 1: the State Department's Chief of Protocol later described the choice
35:04
Speaker 1: of showing him this musical as quote the worst choice imaginable. Ah, yes,
35:11
Speaker 1: the least good thing we could have done. First of all,
35:15
Speaker 1: I cannot even begin to imagine Sinatra playing a French person.
35:19
Speaker 1: It's like a did you ever see that John Wayne
35:22
Speaker 1: film where he tries to play Genghis Khan? Oh? Yeah,
35:28
Speaker 1: Oh that's real. It's a real uf moment goodness. Yeah,
35:32
Speaker 1: it was in uh The Conqueror and uh yeah he
35:39
Speaker 1: um they did that thing and it uh it didn't
35:43
Speaker 1: seem that great when it came out, even even in
35:47
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six, and spoiler alert, it did not age. Well. Well,
35:52
Speaker 1: let's see what the musical with Shirley McClain and Sinatra
35:55
Speaker 1: was called, right, can can't? Ah? Yes, can can? I
35:58
Speaker 1: have not seen it, but I I mean, I'm interested
36:00
Speaker 1: now that I know that I get to see Frank
36:02
Speaker 1: Sinatra playing a frenchman. It's also got Maurice Chevalier in it,
36:07
Speaker 1: but no Steve Bushemi the last. So what happens after
36:17
Speaker 1: he is denied entry into this American paradise on Earth?
36:21
Speaker 1: He kind of goes, he kind of gets over it.
36:23
Speaker 1: He eventually does get over and in the same trip
36:25
Speaker 1: he makes his way, continues the rest of his itinerary,
36:28
Speaker 1: and ends up back in Washington, whereas I said, they
36:31
Speaker 1: had some very unproductive talks, has some unproductive talks. The
36:38
Speaker 1: US and the Soviet relationship would continue to be very tense,
36:41
Speaker 1: chilly chili, bring your space blanket, a bit frigid, uh
36:46
Speaker 1: and fraught with problems, especially in the nineteen sixty and
36:52
Speaker 1: sixty one You two planes, the spy aircraft, not planes
36:56
Speaker 1: flown by Bono in the edge. They became the subject
37:00
Speaker 1: of an international healthy conversation, and the Cold War would continue.
37:06
Speaker 1: In October of nineteen sixty four, Kruschev uh retired from
37:12
Speaker 1: his office due officially to advanced age and ill health.
37:17
Speaker 1: Notice here, friends and neighbors, that I say officially, because
37:22
Speaker 1: you see his request to retire was not voluntary, not
37:27
Speaker 1: entirely voluntary on his part. Yeah, apparently he was on
37:30
Speaker 1: vacation uh In in Georgia, not not in our Georgia,
37:35
Speaker 1: the other Georgia Georgia. And he was called back Um
37:40
Speaker 1: and they made him resign as not only as the
37:45
Speaker 1: premier but also that illustrious post as the head of
37:49
Speaker 1: the of the Communist Party. And he lived out the
37:52
Speaker 1: remainder of his life working on a memoir Um and
37:57
Speaker 1: he ultimately died of a heart attack in a deep depression.
38:01
Speaker 1: He had a pension of five hundred roubles. A month
38:03
Speaker 1: later they cut it the four oh Man insults injury. Yeah,
38:07
Speaker 1: and it is a dogg eat dog world over there
38:10
Speaker 1: in Soviet Russia at the Heights of power, right. Yeah,
38:14
Speaker 1: he was a victim of a conspiracy and he never
38:18
Speaker 1: got to Disneyland. Sad, but you can. You can, yeah,
38:24
Speaker 1: if you got about five dollars to blow and and
38:27
Speaker 1: the free time in the travel. But again, one of
38:31
Speaker 1: my favorite things about it is you just have to
38:33
Speaker 1: be in town to see those beautiful fireworks. I often
38:37
Speaker 1: not to go because I was looking at the rides
38:39
Speaker 1: and stuff and I'm like, these are all like kid rides.
38:41
Speaker 1: But then i guess it's all about the design and
38:43
Speaker 1: the experience. And I'm also not a fan of waiting
38:46
Speaker 1: in lines if I can avoid it all. I don't
38:49
Speaker 1: think anyone's a fan of waiting a lot, It's true,
38:51
Speaker 1: but there's a there's a cost versus reward equation for me,
38:55
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, what's the line for? How
38:57
Speaker 1: much do I want it? How long a line I'm
39:00
Speaker 1: I willing to wait? In Disneyland, it seems like a
39:01
Speaker 1: series of lines different. For me, roller coasters are a
39:04
Speaker 1: tough sell. There's also a lot of corruption in disney
39:07
Speaker 1: World and Disneyland. There was recently with the use of
39:11
Speaker 1: different sorts of passes. Oh, you mean like bootlegging fast
39:15
Speaker 1: passes or just like like legging fast passes, traveling with
39:19
Speaker 1: someone who has a physical disability so that you can
39:24
Speaker 1: jump in the line. For me, there's line mule. Yeah.
39:26
Speaker 1: That for me, there's a huge cost benefit analysis that
39:31
Speaker 1: makes roller coasters a tough sell, especially on crowded day,
39:34
Speaker 1: because it's not just that you're waiting for forty five
39:36
Speaker 1: minutes or an hour, is that you're waiting for something
39:39
Speaker 1: that takes three minutes. Oh, totally, really good point. I
39:43
Speaker 1: have season passes to six flags here in Georgia, and
39:46
Speaker 1: um I will only go during the down season because
39:50
Speaker 1: I went, like on the first day of summer with
39:52
Speaker 1: my kid. We waited in line for an hour and
39:54
Speaker 1: a half, got to the front of the line, and
39:55
Speaker 1: the ride broke and we would broke us. Mentally, We're like,
39:59
Speaker 1: we're going home. But thankfully we have season bass as
40:01
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we traveled, you know, across the country.
40:04
Speaker 1: There question, speaking of things across the country and even
40:07
Speaker 1: across the world, it's a shame that Krucchev never got
40:10
Speaker 1: to go to Disneyland. But I think it leads us
40:14
Speaker 1: to an inspiring question. What's your favorite amusement park in
40:19
Speaker 1: your part of the world, one that a lot of
40:21
Speaker 1: people might not know of? For us here in Atlanta,
40:23
Speaker 1: it's Six Flags over Georgia. Yeah. And what's the next
40:26
Speaker 1: step for us diplomatically as far as amusement and parks
40:29
Speaker 1: are concerned. Is it gonna be Kim Jong Lunn goes
40:32
Speaker 1: to Magic Mountain? Yeah? You tell me. Is Vladimir Putin
40:36
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40:39
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40:43
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40:54
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41:02
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41:05
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41:10
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Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You and Afropunk Solution Sessions, which Casey
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Speaker 1: I actually worked on in the very early days. Oh
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Speaker 1: and you toour that I did. That was a fun one. Um.
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Speaker 1: So check both of those out on Apple Podcasts or
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, and be sure to drop
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Speaker 1: us a nice review if you don't mind, just to
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Speaker 1: you know. It makes us feel good in our hearts
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Speaker 1: and it also supposedly helps the iTunes algorithm shove our
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Speaker 1: show into people's ears. And thanks to super producer Casey Pegram,
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Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Williams for composing the track, Thanks to
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Speaker 1: our research assistant Christopher hasci Otis who tipped us through
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Speaker 1: this strange story of the Cold War and Walt Disney,
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Speaker 1: and please join us next time when we go into
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Speaker 1: the interesting and potentially sorted past of the song Louie.
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Speaker 1: Louie by the Kingsman is going to be a rollicking
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Speaker 1: good time full of music and might just have a
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Speaker 1: special guest up with. We'll do our best have intelligible lyrics,
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Speaker 1: that's true. See you then,