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The Kenny Report | 9 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome. I'm Chris Ullman sitting in for
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny this week coming up, the Coalition blamed the
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Speaker 2: labor budget for another fall in its popularity, Does Australia
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Speaker 2: need more or less gas? And the United States celebrates
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Speaker 2: its birthday with cage fighting. Yesterday, the Prime Minister reached
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Speaker 2: into history to borrow line from Bill Clinton's election playbook
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Speaker 2: when describing what he believes is driving the discontent pushing
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Speaker 2: voters towards one nation.
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Speaker 3: It's the economy, stupid, so Alwa is the economy that
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Speaker 3: sets the parameters for.
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Speaker 2: Debate, which is why.
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Speaker 3: The argument that says that having delivered our commitments in
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Speaker 3: our first year of our second term, we should sit
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Speaker 3: back and coast for the next two as one that
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Speaker 3: I wasn't prepared to support. We have made decisions to
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Speaker 3: improve the lives of Australians.
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Speaker 2: Athne Albernizi says that people feel they're working for the
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Speaker 2: economy rather than the economy working for them and that
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Speaker 2: diagnosis seems pretty sound.
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Speaker 1: So what about the cure?
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Speaker 2: Are the decisions the Prime Minister and his cabin are
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Speaker 2: making improving a lot of Australians, cutting the cost of living,
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Speaker 2: making the economy more productive, and encouraging businesses to invest.
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Speaker 2: Business groups have repeatedly worn that Labour's industrial relations changes
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Speaker 2: have added complexity, cost and conflict to workplaces. The budget
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Speaker 2: changes to negative gearing are intended to help younger Australians
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Speaker 2: buy houses, but Treasury's own assessment suggests that any gains
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Speaker 2: will be modest while rents are likely to rise. Then
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Speaker 2: there are changes to capital gains taxation, which almost everyone
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Speaker 2: who works in the real economies says will discourage investment.
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Speaker 1: So is the objective to grow the economy or to.
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Speaker 2: Simply redistribute the cash in the till The biggest clue
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Speaker 2: to that came in a post budget speech delivered by
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Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson.
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Speaker 4: Reforms on this scale have understandably generated considerable interest in
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Speaker 4: some instances. This may largely affect the fact that individuals
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Speaker 4: are sensitive about paying additional tax, which is totally understandable,
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Speaker 4: But revenue needs to be raised from somewhere, and taxes
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Speaker 4: applied to labor income also have economic impacts.
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Speaker 2: The last thing this grossly bloated government needs is to
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Speaker 2: be fed more cash. Surely the Treasury should be advising
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Speaker 2: the government that one way to rebalance the mix of
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Speaker 2: taxes on capital and labor would be to cut the
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Speaker 2: taxes on labor and index tax brackets to inflation so
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Speaker 2: that people are not pushed into hire tax rates simply
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Speaker 2: because their wages rise with the cost of living. Would
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Speaker 2: have the added benefit of dramatically reducing the automatic growth
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Speaker 2: in government revenue and forcing some discipline on public spending.
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Speaker 2: There's clearly little appetite for that. Instead, many of the
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Speaker 2: cures on offer risk making Australia are less attractive place
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Speaker 2: to invest, innovate and expand. But the greatest threat to
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Speaker 2: growth than productivity is the ever rising cost of energy,
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Speaker 2: and lest we forget, the Albanezy government made a pledge
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Speaker 2: in December twenty twenty one when it unveiled its plan
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Speaker 2: to hit eighty two percent renewable generation on the Eastern
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Speaker 2: electricity grid by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 3: It will see electricity prices fall from the current level
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Speaker 3: by two hundred and seventy five dollars for households by
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five at the end of our first term.
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Speaker 2: That promise was so wide of the mark that the
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth spent over six billion dollars subsidizing power bills as
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Speaker 2: a lec tricity prices sword and no one in government
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Speaker 2: or treasury ever, seems to draw the link between energy
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Speaker 2: and prosperity. How do they think countries like Australia got rich?
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Speaker 2: Why did the twentieth century witness the greatest explosion of
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Speaker 2: human wealth in history? What was the secret source of progress?
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Speaker 5: All?
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Speaker 2: The answer is abundant, dense sources of reliable and affordable energy.
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Speaker 2: The dark line in this graph tracks the rise in
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Speaker 2: the global wealth in the twentieth century in trillions of
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Speaker 2: dollars mapped against the world's use of coal, oil and gas.
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Speaker 1: See the link.
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Speaker 2: Wealth rises in lockstep with the explosion of the use
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Speaker 2: of hydrocarbons, especially oil, which is the master resource, light, portable,
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Speaker 2: liquid at room temperature, and immensely powerful. One barrel of
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Speaker 2: oil is the equivalent of five years of human work.
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Speaker 2: The world uses one hundred millions of battle rolls of
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Speaker 2: oil a day, unleashing an invisible workforce of billions. Energy
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Speaker 2: is the ability to do work, so energy is not
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Speaker 2: part of the economy. Energy is the economy, and we're
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Speaker 2: now in the middle of a dangerous economic experiment. The
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Speaker 2: Eastern electricity grid is our most crucial piece of machinery.
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Speaker 2: It's the central nervous system of our economy, and retooling
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Speaker 2: it around unreliable generation will depower our nation.
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Speaker 1: Wind and solar generators.
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Speaker 2: Are off more often than they are on. To compensate
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Speaker 2: for that floor, they must be massively overbuilt, sprayed across
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Speaker 2: the landscape, moved through space with transmission networks, and through
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Speaker 2: time by enormous amounts of storage. And after all that,
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Speaker 2: this system demands one hundred percent backup by a reliable
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Speaker 2: fuel that delivers power on demand to cover those long
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Speaker 2: dark days when the wind doesn't blow, the sun doesn't shine,
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Speaker 2: and the batteries flat. All this redundancy adds to the
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Speaker 2: total system cost that you pay in your retail electricity bill,
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Speaker 2: which is the only model that counts. The government has
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Speaker 2: slowly begun to understand some of the flaws in its
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Speaker 2: wind and solar heavy system, and that's why it's now
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Speaker 2: scrambling to secure as much cheap gas as it can get.
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Speaker 2: But it's yet to make the connection between unproductive energy
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Speaker 2: sources and the loss of productivity in our economy. Until
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Speaker 2: it does, we're locked into a path that will deliver
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Speaker 2: slower growth and declining living standards. Ernest Hemingway once described
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Speaker 2: how man goes bankrupt two ways. He said, gradually, then
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Speaker 2: suddenly that's also how nations go broke. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: their macro business chief economists Leith van Onstalin and Leath
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Speaker 2: Is there a connection between the power sources we use
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Speaker 2: and our wealth?
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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, Chris.
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Speaker 6: Energy is the everything issue for the economy, as in
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Speaker 6: packs the entire supply chain of Australia. So without cheap
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Speaker 6: and abutont energy, the Australian economy cannot be competitive on
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Speaker 6: a global on a global stage. And here's the thing, Chris,
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Speaker 6: Australia is the world's biggest coal exporter, we're the second
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Speaker 6: biggest gas export in the world. We have about thirty
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Speaker 6: percent of the world's uranium, so we should really have
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Speaker 6: some of the cheapest energy in the world. But sadly,
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Speaker 6: because our government's chosen to surrender our natural energy advantage
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Speaker 6: on all this net zero stuff, and we've abandoned the
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Speaker 6: use of hydrocarbons and nuclear power and that sort of
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Speaker 6: thing in favor of this intermittent, expensive, weather dependent sources
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Speaker 6: like wind and solar. As a result of Australia's d industrializing,
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Speaker 6: we now have the smallest manufacturing share in the OECD
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Speaker 6: and we're also suffering from constant cost pressures from this
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Speaker 6: high energy cost, which is contributing to stagflation across the economy.
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Speaker 6: It's also killing productivity and living standards. So it's really
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Speaker 6: as simple as that.
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Speaker 2: At least you've been doing some analysis on what sort
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Speaker 2: of energy sources they're using, an agent, what can you
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Speaker 2: tell us about that?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is interesting stuff. So I basically dug
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Speaker 7: into the.
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Speaker 6: Weeds on where the global carbon emissions are coming from
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Speaker 6: and where the coal use is coming from, and it
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Speaker 6: turns out that Asia is actually the major driver of
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Speaker 6: the world's carbon emissions. So Asia accounts form about sixty
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Speaker 6: percent of the world's carbon emissions currently, it has counted
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Speaker 6: for all of the increase in the world's carbon emissions
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Speaker 6: this century. It accounts for over eighty percent of the
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Speaker 6: world's coal use, and in fact, Asia's cold dependency is
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Speaker 6: actually growing, so Asia is growing its coal use. We've
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Speaker 6: had two separate reports come out in the last couple
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Speaker 6: weeks from the International Energy Agency showing that Asia is
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Speaker 6: ramping up its coal investment also RICEDAD Energy forecasts that
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Speaker 6: Asia is going to consume one hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 6: tons more coal than previously thought by the end of
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Speaker 6: this decade. So Asia's doubling down on coal. We are
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Speaker 6: selling our coal to Asia. We export seven times more
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Speaker 6: coal than we use, but we're banning ourselves from using coal.
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Speaker 7: This, to me, Chris, doesn't make much sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The other thing that doesn't make much sense, leth is
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Speaker 2: when you look at what the world actually does rather
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Speaker 2: than what it says. The world burned more coal, oil
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Speaker 2: and gas in twenty twenty four in a single year
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Speaker 2: than ever before in human history. Yet we're constantly being
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Speaker 2: told that there's an energy transition, there's an energy addition,
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Speaker 2: isn't there Mate?
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Speaker 6: That there is no energy transition, especially not in Asia,
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Speaker 6: and especially not the locations where we sell our hydrocarbons too.
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Speaker 6: So we export seven times more coal than us, about
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Speaker 6: four times more gas the US.
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Speaker 7: All this stuff goes to Asia, which.
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Speaker 1: It just burns it willy nilly.
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Speaker 6: So we are busy de industrializing Australia and sending our
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Speaker 6: industry across to the places where we sell this stuff too.
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Speaker 6: Instead of giving it to ourselves, and we are becoming
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Speaker 6: increasingly isolated on metzero GRIZ, alongside the United Kingdom and Germany,
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Speaker 6: these other places that are basically committing energy suicide.
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Speaker 2: And it remind us what's happened in the UK and Germany,
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Speaker 2: which are the other places which are doing what we're doing.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely the similar sort of story. UK and Germany
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Speaker 6: have gone hogwild for the net zero stuff and as
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Speaker 6: a result they are de industrializing in a massive rate
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Speaker 6: and their economies are absolutely in the mud. So they
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Speaker 6: are destroying their energy, their industry, they're setting their industry
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Speaker 6: offshore and as a result they've got terrible economies, stagflationary economies.
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Speaker 6: And Australia risk falling into that same trap.
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Speaker 2: It comes at a time too, when we're seeing the
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Speaker 2: rise of data centers which are extraordinarily energy hungry. Where
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Speaker 2: are they going to get their energy from and what
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Speaker 2: will that do to demand on our system?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and data centers require twenty four to seven power right,
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Speaker 6: so they can't be reliant on these intermittent sources like
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Speaker 6: solar which only works the middle of the day when
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Speaker 6: the sun's out, and win which works when the wind
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Speaker 6: decides to work. They need stable base load twenty four
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Speaker 6: to seven power and you only get that from coal
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Speaker 6: and nuclearing, those sorts of things. And it's not just
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Speaker 6: data centers, Chris. The federal government has predicted a fifty
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Speaker 6: percent increase in the nation's population the next forty years.
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Speaker 6: They want to electrify the entire vehicle fleet. And also
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Speaker 6: we're going to need desalination plants for the data centers
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Speaker 6: and for the increase in population. So Australia is going
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Speaker 6: to experience a massive rise in demand for energy at
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Speaker 6: the same time as our governments want to shut down
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Speaker 6: our coal fire generation, which just to me makes absolutely no.
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Speaker 1: Sense, unleast you like me.
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Speaker 2: When you see someone standing beside one of the Australian
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Speaker 2: government ministers saying they're going to run their data center
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Speaker 2: completely on wind and solar power and batteries, do you
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Speaker 2: always think and what else?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, mate, And look, the fact matter is
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Speaker 6: it's not possible. We can't shut shut down our base
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Speaker 6: load power and expect to run these massively energy hungry
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Speaker 6: data centers that require twenty four to seven stable fuel
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Speaker 6: and as a result, we're just going to need to
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Speaker 6: have massive backup generation anyway, and that's just going to
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Speaker 6: add to costs right across the spectrum.
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Speaker 2: Or macro business Chief Economists Leith van.
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Speaker 1: Olsen, thank you, thanks Chris.
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Speaker 2: Opposition lead Angus Taylor has brained crushing pole results on
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Speaker 2: Labor's budget as One Nation continues to surge the result
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Speaker 2: of Labour's budget is people are angry. People are angry,
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Speaker 2: and I completely understand why they are angry because this
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Speaker 2: prime minister lied to them. For more on this TI
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Shadow Communications mister Sarah Henderson. Sarah Henderson,
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Speaker 2: not people mostly angry at you if they're going across
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Speaker 2: the One Nation. Chris, good afternoon.
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Speaker 9: I don't think I've ever seen such anger towards a
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Speaker 9: government as we are seeing right now, and we are
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Speaker 9: really feeling it in Victoria, anger towards the alb and
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Speaker 9: Eazy government for lying, for delivering a budget based on lies.
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Speaker 9: And of course the anger is compounded here in Victoria
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Speaker 9: against Jacinta Allen. Yes, we are getting caught up in
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Speaker 9: of course, the frustration over what is happening to our
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Speaker 9: country because the government, frankly, Chris, is throwing our country
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Speaker 9: off a cliff. But we have delivered already a very
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Speaker 9: strong set of policies and we know we've got a
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Speaker 9: very big job to do to win the trust and
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Speaker 9: faith of Australians. But the anger, Chris, is palpable, and
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Speaker 9: we have made it very clear if these laws are past,
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Speaker 9: these laws to introduce all of these taxes, we will
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Speaker 9: repeal these toxic taxes.
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Speaker 2: The problem for you, though, is that looking at the
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Speaker 2: polling in Victoria today, where you assume that in normal
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Speaker 2: times the coalition should romp it in that you're still
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Speaker 2: losing back to One Nation as well as the Labor government.
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Speaker 2: What matters in the end is how many seats did
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Speaker 2: you get in the Lower House anywhere? And don't we
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Speaker 2: risk a fracturing of your vote which sees it deliver
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party another term in government.
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, we don't understate the job that we have
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Speaker 9: ahead of us. We know we have got a very
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Speaker 9: big job to do, and of course one Nation is
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Speaker 9: polling very strongly. But I think that's very indicative that
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Speaker 9: Australians have had enough. And boy, boy, Chris, are they
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Speaker 9: angry in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: This is a state.
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Speaker 9: Mired in crime, in corruption, in economic incompetence, and Victorians
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Speaker 9: have had enough and Australians have had enough. And yes,
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Speaker 9: some of that anger is being of course, people who
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Speaker 9: are angry are now saying, I will support one nation,
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Speaker 9: but we are going to be working every single day,
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Speaker 9: very very hard to win back the trust and faith
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Speaker 9: and confidence of Victorians and Australians, and I believe that
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Speaker 9: we can do it.
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Speaker 2: Chris. Yeah, but in order to take government, or even
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Speaker 2: approach government, you're going to have to do a preference
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Speaker 2: deal with one nation and not apologize for it.
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Speaker 1: Aren't you.
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Speaker 9: Of course, absolutely, I believe that we do need to
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Speaker 9: do a preference deal with one nation and we shouldn't
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Speaker 9: apologize for it because we are aligned on one single mission,
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Speaker 9: and that is to get rid of the worst government
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Speaker 9: we have ever seen in Victoria and the worst government
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Speaker 9: that we have seen in living memory in this country,
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Speaker 9: which is the other easy government. So we don't apologize
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Speaker 9: at all for working with others, including of course one Nation,
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Speaker 9: to get rid of these toxic, terrible governments.
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Speaker 2: Now the major media companies and social media companies are
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Speaker 2: going to be called before the Royal Commission to give evidence.
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Speaker 2: You've pushed for this. What do you hope to see.
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Speaker 9: Well, Chris, I'm very pleased that the ABC and I
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Speaker 9: assume SBS and other broadcasters will be called before the
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Speaker 9: Royal Commission. Macadia Cash, Angie Bell and myself called for
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Speaker 9: a dedicated block of hearings, particularly examining the public broadcasters,
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Speaker 9: because I think they have lost so much faith of
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Speaker 9: Australians in the way that they have demonstrated anti Israel
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Speaker 9: virus over and over again. So I'm very pleased that
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Speaker 9: this will be examined by the Royal Commission. I also
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Speaker 9: think that the arts bodies like Creative Australian need very
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Speaker 9: close attention. But time and time again, Chris, we have
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Speaker 9: seen the ABC fail in its statutory obligation to report
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Speaker 9: the news and current affairs and information impartially and accurately.
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Speaker 9: And look what we're now dealing with just days after
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Speaker 9: being in estimates, where Hugh Mark says, oh, we're working
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Speaker 9: very hard to change our direction. We now see the
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Speaker 9: hiring of Grace Tame at a time when, of course
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Speaker 9: the ABC knew that she uttered those terrible words in
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Speaker 9: that protest.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a minute. But when
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Speaker 2: you look at the criticism of the State of Israel
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Speaker 2: and anti Semitism, you do have to separate those things,
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Speaker 2: don't you. It should be fair enough to have a
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Speaker 2: fairly robust view on the way that Benjamin net Yahoo
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Speaker 2: conducts his business.
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Speaker 1: That's fair enough.
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Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump has a fairly robust view on
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Speaker 2: the way that Benjamin Netyaho conducks his business. Look, that
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Speaker 2: is legitimate.
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Speaker 9: There's no issue that to legitimately criticize Israel does not
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Speaker 9: necessarily mean that it's anti Semitism, and there's no suggestion
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Speaker 9: to the contrary. But I think the ABC has let
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Speaker 9: down Australian audiences, has betrayed their trust when they have
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Speaker 9: skewed very much against the reporting in the Middle East,
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Speaker 9: and we've seen decisions time and time again where they've
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Speaker 9: employed activists. Antoinette Latouffe is an activist in my view,
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Speaker 9: and now Grace Tame after the terrible things that she said.
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Speaker 9: I just think, Chris that the ABC has a very
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Speaker 9: important statutory obligation to be impartial, to be accurate, and
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Speaker 9: they are not meeting that obligation in all respects. And
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Speaker 9: I do hope that the Royal Commission shines a very
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Speaker 9: big spotlight on some of these failings.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that you've given a hu marks enough
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Speaker 2: time to make an impression on the ABC. It's a titanic.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to turn around. It's one of the toughest
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Speaker 2: media jobs in Australia and he is making some changes
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Speaker 2: at the top now. So perhaps we should wait and
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Speaker 2: see as to how this all turns out.
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Speaker 9: Chris, I do think Hugh has made some good decisions.
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Speaker 9: It is a tough job, but there is still a
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Speaker 9: lot of activism in the ABC and last week and
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Speaker 9: sended estimates, we heard a situation where the head, the
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Speaker 9: editorial head at the ABC said, oh, there's no conflict
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Speaker 9: of interest when a current affairs host in Sarah Ferguson
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Speaker 9: is the executive producer of a documentary funded by an
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Speaker 9: activist group, Animals Australia. So I still think the ABC
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Speaker 9: has got a lot of hard work ahead of it
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Speaker 9: to turn things around and to deliver out the highest
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Speaker 9: standards of broadcasting. And as I say, we're seeing continuing
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Speaker 9: failures and I am very disappointed that the managing director,
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Speaker 9: who is also the editor in chief, does not seem
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Speaker 9: to think there's a problem with hiring Grace Tame, particularly
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Speaker 9: after she uttered those terrible words globalise the interfata at
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Speaker 9: that protest at the Sydney Town Hall, which of course
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Speaker 9: is a call for destruction against Jewish people or a
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Speaker 9: call for violence against Jewish people around the world. I mean,
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Speaker 9: that is just not tenable.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that.
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Speaker 9: Grace Tane was hired and then there were no repercussions
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Speaker 9: after she engaged in that protest activity. She also dismissed
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Speaker 9: Hamas's sexual violence against Israeli women as propaganda. It's just
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Speaker 9: not good enough, Chris. We need to see higher standards
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Speaker 9: at the ABC.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henners will have to leave it there. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris. Well after the break, does Australia need.
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Speaker 1: More or less gas? Welcome back?
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Speaker 2: We'll look A recent report by the Gratton Institute in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne urges Australia to move away from gas, which seems
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Speaker 2: pretty odd because most of the premiers in Australia appear
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Speaker 2: to be.
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Speaker 1: Moving towards towards it.
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Speaker 2: To discuss this, I'm joined by Aidan Morrison from the
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Speaker 2: Center for Independent Studies, where he's Director of Energy Research.
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Speaker 1: Aiden strike you as odd.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me that almost every premiere in the
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Speaker 2: country wants more gas, not less.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly right. This is a sort of remarkable report.
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Speaker 10: I've sort of likened it to seeing some rare animal
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Speaker 10: in its native habitat before becoming extinct, because I don't
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Speaker 10: think that Gratton realizes that nobody brought into the energy
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Speaker 10: transition on the assumption that it would be extremely painful,
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Speaker 10: extremely expensive, but we must do it anyway. There's sort
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Speaker 10: of been two brands of groups supporting it. Those that
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Speaker 10: truly believe that renewable energy is going to be cheapest,
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Speaker 10: which need one more push, one more big squeeze of
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Speaker 10: the subsety lemon and will all come unstuck and suddenly
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Speaker 10: deliver us the lower bills that have been promised, and
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Speaker 10: those that are making concessions, such as labor ministers, including
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Speaker 10: those in South Australia and New South Wales, who are
20:51
Speaker 10: calling for more gas as an alternative to coal perhaps
20:54
Speaker 10: but are fully embracing it not just as a transition
20:56
Speaker 10: fuel but something that we need to have more of
20:58
Speaker 10: Northern territory as well. Grat Institutent saying we must eliminate it,
21:02
Speaker 10: including with huge costs, banning of installation of new appliances, etc.
21:06
Speaker 10: I think is quite an outline. Now it doesn't seem
21:08
Speaker 10: to me to be pitching to the mainstream very well
21:10
Speaker 10: at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just.
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Speaker 2: Look around the country, because I was in Camber last
21:13
Speaker 2: week at a defense conference where Leofanocchiaro, who is the
21:16
Speaker 2: Chief Minister of Northern Territory, declared that Beterloo Basin would
21:19
Speaker 2: deliver its first gas within one hundred days to Darwin
21:22
Speaker 2: and has two hundred years worth of supply. Narrabai brys
21:26
Speaker 2: due to open up in New South Wales. The Queensland
21:29
Speaker 2: government certainly wants more gas, the South Australian government is
21:33
Speaker 2: looking at fracking for more gas, and even the Victorian
21:36
Speaker 2: government now need more. Perhaps so it's been we've had
21:40
Speaker 2: the conversion of almost everyone in the country except this
21:43
Speaker 2: think tank.
21:44
Speaker 1: That's right.
21:44
Speaker 10: They seem to be still wedded to the idea that
21:46
Speaker 10: there is nothing else that matters more than hitting carbon
21:49
Speaker 10: reduction targets for international commitments, and so they're still saying
21:54
Speaker 10: acting as though the rest.
21:55
Speaker 1: Of the world is going to move towards this direction.
21:56
Speaker 10: Of course, we're seeing the same thing globally as well,
21:59
Speaker 10: even Carne in Canada unlocking huge amounts of oil and
22:03
Speaker 10: gas in Alberta. Most of the rest of the world
22:04
Speaker 10: is moving the opposite direction very rapidly and acknowledging there
22:07
Speaker 10: is and enduring and will be an enduring, important role
22:10
Speaker 10: for fossil fuels, and we should get them out of
22:12
Speaker 10: the ground and develop them cost effectively. But yes, Gratton
22:15
Speaker 10: now a loan outstander saying cannot, we must not. We
22:18
Speaker 10: will do whatever's required to expunge them from our economy.
22:21
Speaker 2: Mark Carney in particular seems to have had a Damascene
22:23
Speaker 2: conversion from his time when he got together the banks
22:26
Speaker 2: around the world to have the net zero Alliance. Now
22:28
Speaker 2: that he's the Prime Minister of Canada, came to Australia,
22:31
Speaker 2: made a st speech in Australian Parliament that he went
22:33
Speaker 2: off to Japan and told the Japanese that Canada could
22:36
Speaker 2: double its liquefied natural gas exports in the next d
22:39
Speaker 2: decade and double them again in the decade after.
22:43
Speaker 10: Which is just remarkable and that must be music to
22:45
Speaker 10: Japan's years, because we're telling them the opposite. We're telling
22:48
Speaker 10: our export partners that we might need to change the
22:50
Speaker 10: deals we've struct or striking fear into the accords we've
22:54
Speaker 10: already had in the past, and sort of downplaying the
22:57
Speaker 10: potential for us to be a reliable, secure partner because
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Speaker 10: they've paid the line's share for developing a lot of
23:02
Speaker 10: our gas. And so there is gas around the world,
23:06
Speaker 10: and as you say, absolutely Canada is extremely richly bestowed
23:09
Speaker 10: with it. And I think it's become the new in
23:11
Speaker 10: thing again, Mark Carney, he's doing the Nixon to China
23:15
Speaker 10: moment right where only someone from his side of politics,
23:17
Speaker 10: with his credentials could go and wholeheartedly open up the
23:21
Speaker 10: new age of unashamed exploration and development of fossil fuels
23:25
Speaker 10: in Canada.
23:26
Speaker 2: Mark, We should hope that Chris barn one day has
23:28
Speaker 2: a similar conversion.
23:29
Speaker 1: There's no sign of it yet, but we'll watch with
23:30
Speaker 1: great interest.
23:31
Speaker 2: Look tell us about there's so many different moving parts
23:33
Speaker 2: in the energy system, and you across all of them.
23:36
Speaker 2: What is the capacity investment scheme and what's.
23:38
Speaker 1: Changing there great?
23:40
Speaker 8: Well?
23:40
Speaker 10: The capacity investment scheme is the government's huge giant whatever
23:44
Speaker 10: it takes subsidy for renewable energy. It's basically asking all
23:48
Speaker 10: the companies that are building a renewable energy projects, how
23:51
Speaker 10: much do we need to pay you for you to
23:53
Speaker 10: actually reach financial clothes Because the market's screening up for
23:56
Speaker 10: these to stop. What's been revealed in Senate estimates neat week, though,
24:00
Speaker 10: is the government has been caught changing the terms of
24:03
Speaker 10: the deals on which these initial contracts were awarded so
24:07
Speaker 10: that energy companies wouldn't actually be able to invest until
24:10
Speaker 10: they were completely confident there'd be no transmission constraints. And
24:14
Speaker 10: so it explains why deals are not being closed even
24:17
Speaker 10: when they have a whole bunch of a capital guarantee
24:20
Speaker 10: to them, essentially by the federal government. The whatever it
24:23
Speaker 10: takes subsidy scheme is still not enough to get renewable
24:26
Speaker 10: energy to close. And it looks like the government's been
24:28
Speaker 10: caught completely inapt, completely incompetent and adjusting deals on the
24:33
Speaker 10: fly after they've already announced the winners.
24:35
Speaker 2: And when you go through this in the budget papers
24:37
Speaker 2: with the capacity investment scheme, but has not for publication,
24:40
Speaker 2: it's written down alongside it, so we have no idea
24:42
Speaker 2: exactly how much tax pay money has been expended.
24:44
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
24:45
Speaker 10: And the most calling thing about this is that the
24:47
Speaker 10: government has used the excuse they can't compromise their negotiating position,
24:52
Speaker 10: and that's why they've actually said they can't publish what
24:55
Speaker 10: the expected cost is, because I thought that might change
24:57
Speaker 10: their negotiating position. But in fact we know what's actually
25:00
Speaker 10: happened is they've announced the winners and then gone back
25:03
Speaker 10: and reset negotiations to square one with completely open book
25:05
Speaker 10: and a blanker pro former contract to be filled in again.
25:09
Speaker 10: So the government has completely exposed themselves as not acting consistently.
25:13
Speaker 10: And there's no reason, I think now they can't give
25:15
Speaker 10: us a reasonable estimate of what the capacity investment scheme
25:19
Speaker 10: will cost, which is going to be billions and billions.
25:22
Speaker 2: It do get any sense, because we've been in this
25:24
Speaker 2: conversation now, you and I for a long time that
25:26
Speaker 2: there are some pieces of this puzzle that moving that
25:29
Speaker 2: there is a bit of shift among Australian governments, particularly
25:32
Speaker 2: now when we look at them trying to get as cheap,
25:34
Speaker 2: as much and as cheap gas as they possibly can.
25:36
Speaker 10: I think there's been acknowledgement of concern now about cost.
25:39
Speaker 10: It's been a remarkable report from a whole bunch of
25:42
Speaker 10: CEOs published by the Australian Ergy Council last year that
25:45
Speaker 10: shows that almost all CEOs agree this is going to
25:47
Speaker 10: push up prices in the near term. And I think
25:49
Speaker 10: that governments are now sensitive to that they can't appear
25:52
Speaker 10: to be reckless to the pain that consumers face in
25:55
Speaker 10: their hip pockets. But yet state government's left right in
25:58
Speaker 10: the censer, including Victoria, having announced all the renewable energy zones,
26:01
Speaker 10: seem to be still committed to forcing through at whatever cost,
26:05
Speaker 10: declarations of new zones, mandates for new transmission capacity, using
26:09
Speaker 10: state owned entities to invest in renewable energy that would
26:12
Speaker 10: otherwise be shunned by the rest of the market. So
26:15
Speaker 10: I'm yet to see the follow through. The lips are
26:17
Speaker 10: saying one thing, and yet the actual actions in terms
26:20
Speaker 10: of signing checks, deals being done, institutions being formed, look
26:25
Speaker 10: absolutely committed to doing whatever it takes to push on
26:28
Speaker 10: with what is an uneconomic transition towards whether dependent energy
26:32
Speaker 10: relentlessly at any cost.
26:34
Speaker 2: Aidan Morrison from the Center for Independent Stories. I'm sure
26:36
Speaker 2: you will stay on their case. Thanks mate, Thank you.
26:40
Speaker 2: The Daily telegraphs Tim Blair has dissected the latest New
26:43
Speaker 2: Polls New poll as One Nation rises in popularity. He
26:47
Speaker 2: says that rather than spending huge sums itself on promotions
26:50
Speaker 2: and campaigns, One Nation is relying on its leftist enemies
26:53
Speaker 2: to get the word out.
26:55
Speaker 1: Drum up support.
26:56
Speaker 2: Tim Blair, welcome, Thanks a lot, Chris. How you doing
27:00
Speaker 2: like a good cheap campaign. The more that you hate
27:02
Speaker 2: on one nation, the greater it becomes.
27:04
Speaker 1: It They're like the Hulk exactly.
27:09
Speaker 11: It's part of a bigger kind of thing that's occurring
27:11
Speaker 11: here is that Labor would love to keep, you know,
27:14
Speaker 11: fighting the Morrison government over and over and over again,
27:17
Speaker 11: because that was a game Labor was always going to win.
27:19
Speaker 7: It was on their rules. You know, if you're.
27:23
Speaker 11: Playing an internationalist, globalist, big government game, Labor's going to win.
27:28
Speaker 11: Suddenly they've got this mischievous actor who's come from you
27:33
Speaker 11: know basically, well you can't say she's come from nowhere.
27:36
Speaker 11: She's come from everywhere, but she's playing a local game.
27:39
Speaker 11: It's pro Australian. It's a lot smaller, and Labor can't
27:43
Speaker 11: match this. They're all almost over armed and they can't
27:47
Speaker 11: get close to it. And all of the sort of
27:49
Speaker 11: Labor supporters that we're seeing online, they're expressing this with
27:52
Speaker 11: great hostility, which only helps Paul ede Hanson and her
27:55
Speaker 11: party more.
27:57
Speaker 1: It does.
27:57
Speaker 2: One of the things I noticed in twenty sixteen when
27:59
Speaker 2: I was there covering the election Donald Trump came through
28:02
Speaker 2: the first time it was it was seen as a
28:04
Speaker 2: mark of success by his supporters every time he was
28:08
Speaker 2: attacked by the mainstream media because of the one group
28:10
Speaker 2: that they hated more than politicians was essentially us, was media.
28:14
Speaker 11: Yes, that's true, and we had, of course in twenty
28:17
Speaker 11: sixteen a massive pivotal moment when Hillary Clinton denounced Trump's
28:22
Speaker 11: supporters as deplorables. That's half the voting public of the
28:26
Speaker 11: United States. She's just dismissed as deplorable. And that, I
28:30
Speaker 11: think is the tone that's underneath a lot of stuff
28:34
Speaker 11: we're hearing from leftists on social media, especially in the
28:38
Speaker 11: media as well towards Pauline Hansen. They're labeling them deplorables.
28:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the word that gets used here a bit
28:46
Speaker 2: and has been used by Anthony Alberonizi as cookers, which
28:48
Speaker 2: came up after the COVID protests in camera were a
28:51
Speaker 2: lot of those people who didn't have much money were
28:52
Speaker 2: camping out right, they were cooking outside. But they dismissed
28:56
Speaker 2: with that term.
28:57
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, there's I mean, there's all these online code words,
29:02
Speaker 11: which it's a whole different little world out there. As
29:04
Speaker 11: you know, Chris. It's a funny place, but it does
29:07
Speaker 11: sometimes bleed into the real world, I suppose, and it
29:10
Speaker 11: cooks will be one of one moment of it. I
29:12
Speaker 11: think sometimes a real danger for labor is that there
29:15
Speaker 11: may be a little bit too much online and that's
29:18
Speaker 11: going to hurt them in any kind of battle against
29:22
Speaker 11: one nation, I think, because one nation, for all their
29:24
Speaker 11: online success, is not identifiably online. If you get that difference, well,
29:28
Speaker 11: the best thing that I ever did was get off online.
29:30
Speaker 2: I can recommend it to almost everybody.
29:33
Speaker 12: Look.
29:33
Speaker 2: A New South Wales writer has sparked outraged after claiming
29:35
Speaker 2: she was ordered to take down an Australian flag from
29:38
Speaker 2: a home.
29:38
Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
29:40
Speaker 11: It's a bit of a dilemma, isn't it Like if
29:41
Speaker 11: you want to get in trouble, if you want to
29:43
Speaker 11: avoid trouble as a renter by a house, try doing
29:46
Speaker 11: that these days. It's not a simple equation, but it
29:50
Speaker 11: isn't an incredible about that. We've we've got a kind
29:53
Speaker 11: of a desperate need to present Australia as an evil
29:56
Speaker 11: we could play. So you've got people saying no, we
29:58
Speaker 11: can't have flags, can't have the presentation of the Israian flag.
30:02
Speaker 11: It's it's so confrontational and so challenging. It's just the
30:05
Speaker 11: Australian flag. We're one of the most mild and lovely
30:07
Speaker 11: in nations on Earth, and people just want to get
30:10
Speaker 11: angry about things for some reason. And this is the
30:13
Speaker 11: least anger making ensign the world's ever seen.
30:17
Speaker 2: Don't you think it's a bit disturbing that some people
30:20
Speaker 2: now see the flying of Australian flag as a radical act.
30:24
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, but this has been kicking around for a while.
30:26
Speaker 11: I remember there was a prominent ABC personality some years
30:29
Speaker 11: ago she again online wrote something about how she'd encountered
30:34
Speaker 11: someone wearing an Australian flag at a particular event and
30:37
Speaker 11: how she was disgusted by it. And she wrote, you know,
30:40
Speaker 11: the oddwd on thousand words complaining about the Isralian flag.
30:43
Speaker 11: It happened to be Australia Day, So I kind of
30:46
Speaker 11: think they might have got a bit wrong. But yeah,
30:48
Speaker 11: there was a huge appetite for hostility towards Australia among
30:52
Speaker 11: our friends again on the left, and it's not matched
30:55
Speaker 11: by the reality.
30:56
Speaker 1: A tip just before you go.
30:57
Speaker 2: Donald Trump received a hostile reception today the Knicks NBR
31:01
Speaker 2: Final and New York.
31:02
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at it.
31:05
Speaker 12: Who's bushes and.
31:17
Speaker 2: He's now in the same position as Australian prime ministers
31:20
Speaker 2: at any sporting match.
31:21
Speaker 1: Tim, That's exactly right.
31:22
Speaker 11: It's always Australians always look at those things and say,
31:25
Speaker 11: what are people upset about? That's the tradition. You always
31:28
Speaker 11: voo the leader no matter what. But in Trump's case,
31:30
Speaker 11: he's in New York, which is not despite it being
31:32
Speaker 11: his hometown. He is not a Trump friendly city. Obviously,
31:34
Speaker 11: it's massively a Democrat. And secondly, it's largely meaningless because
31:39
Speaker 11: given term limits, it's not going to actually do any
31:42
Speaker 11: damage to Trump's re election hopes he's gone after this
31:45
Speaker 11: term and have to start booing someone else.
31:48
Speaker 2: Tim Blair, thank you, cheers mate. Well ahead of Astonald,
31:51
Speaker 2: Trump issues another warring to Israel as a relationship with
31:55
Speaker 2: Benjamin Nett. Yahoo gets testy, Kriston Tate joins.
31:59
Speaker 1: Me next, welcome back.
32:05
Speaker 2: Well joining me now from the US is Skye used
32:08
Speaker 2: contributor Kristen Tight and let's start with the Middle East conflict.
32:12
Speaker 2: Iran and Israel have halted strikes for now after President
32:15
Speaker 2: Donald Trump issued a harsh stop shooting warning.
32:19
Speaker 8: Yes, that's exactly right. Donald Trump has been getting increasingly
32:24
Speaker 8: harsh with his language toward Natanyahu because he wants this
32:29
Speaker 8: conflict to end. And you have to remember Israel in
32:32
Speaker 8: the United States States were very close allies, but we're
32:35
Speaker 8: not the same country and so sometimes our interests diverge
32:40
Speaker 8: a bit. And so Donald Trump made it very clear
32:43
Speaker 8: to Israel, we do not want this to become a
32:46
Speaker 8: full blown war again. You know, he realizes President Trump
32:50
Speaker 8: does that his base voted for him based on his
32:54
Speaker 8: promises not to start any new prolonged wars in the
32:58
Speaker 8: Middle East. And so you know, this is music to
33:02
Speaker 8: the ears of Donald Trump's bass and the vast majority
33:05
Speaker 8: of people in this country that he is calling for
33:08
Speaker 8: restraint here. And the biggest threat to diplomacy right now
33:12
Speaker 8: is not the United States and Iran having talks. It's
33:16
Speaker 8: a constant risk of another kind of regional flare up
33:19
Speaker 8: that destroys those talks before they.
33:21
Speaker 13: Can kind of proceed.
33:23
Speaker 8: And we see some results of those talks.
33:25
Speaker 2: Kristen Ken Donald Trump, though, contain Benjamin Yah. I have
33:30
Speaker 2: a very tasty relationship.
33:31
Speaker 8: Now well, it's been a very strong relationship and a
33:35
Speaker 8: very friendly relationship. But yes, right now it is testy.
33:40
Speaker 8: But remember Israel relies on the United States. We're very
33:44
Speaker 8: strong allies. We provide a lot of funding for them.
33:47
Speaker 13: Israel does need the United States.
33:50
Speaker 8: So yes, President Trump has immense influence over Israel. And
33:55
Speaker 8: remember Trump understands that another long drawn out war in
34:01
Speaker 8: the Middle East, like we've seen under past presidents, that
34:04
Speaker 8: is not what the American people want want, especially we
34:07
Speaker 8: have midterms coming up in this country where the stakes
34:10
Speaker 8: are very high. We're seeing very high gas prices as
34:13
Speaker 8: a result of this conflict.
34:15
Speaker 13: In the Middle East.
34:16
Speaker 8: Trump understands the American people want peace, they want.
34:22
Speaker 13: This conflict to end.
34:24
Speaker 8: And yes, the United States holds immense influence over Israel
34:28
Speaker 8: as well.
34:29
Speaker 2: I guess the question is does Iran want this war
34:32
Speaker 2: to end, because it does take two in this particular conversation.
34:38
Speaker 13: Yes, and that is a great point. Iran has shown
34:41
Speaker 13: that it is not going to back down easily.
34:44
Speaker 8: However, you know, Donald Trump is the ultimate deal maker.
34:49
Speaker 8: He literally wrote the book The Art of the Deal.
34:51
Speaker 8: If anyone can get some kind of deal done, it
34:54
Speaker 8: is Donald Trump. And he's made it very clear he
34:56
Speaker 8: is not going to enter some sort of deal like
35:00
Speaker 8: you know President Barack Obama did where you know, Iran
35:04
Speaker 8: is just basically free to do what they want in
35:07
Speaker 8: in terms of a nuclear bombs. I mean, this president
35:11
Speaker 8: has made it clear that Ran needs to work with us,
35:15
Speaker 8: but there are going to be parameters in place, and
35:17
Speaker 8: I think that's in the best interest of Ron as well.
35:20
Speaker 2: Now, America will celebrate it's two hundred and fiftieth birthday
35:23
Speaker 2: next month, and the Trump administration seems determined to celebrate
35:26
Speaker 2: with a UFC fight at the White House.
35:32
Speaker 8: Yes, that is the biggest sort of symbol of our
35:35
Speaker 8: two hundred and fiftieth birthday here in the United States
35:38
Speaker 8: is a big UFC fighting ring on the White House lawn.
35:42
Speaker 8: I just wrote a column about this for the Boston Globe,
35:45
Speaker 8: And look, I have no problem with UFC fights. They're fun.
35:48
Speaker 13: President Trump loved them.
35:50
Speaker 8: However, it's just, you know, it shows a lack of
35:54
Speaker 8: imagination and seriousness when that is the major way of
35:58
Speaker 8: the country is celebrating such a monumental event. The United
36:02
Speaker 8: States is the greatest nation in the history of the world.
36:06
Speaker 8: We have produced so many incredible inventors, soldiers, civil rights leaders,
36:13
Speaker 8: and this is an opportunity to inspire Americans, to remind
36:17
Speaker 8: them of our history, and frankly, to educate them, because
36:20
Speaker 8: we've seen in poll after poll that many Americans and
36:23
Speaker 8: increasing numbers, especially young people, know very little about our history.
36:27
Speaker 13: It's an incredible history.
36:29
Speaker 8: So I'm a bit dismayed that a UFC fight is
36:31
Speaker 8: the major way we're celebrating our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
36:35
Speaker 13: But hey, it's fun, I get it. Trump loves it.
36:39
Speaker 2: Well, I do assume you have some other things in
36:40
Speaker 2: mind apart from just one thought.
36:44
Speaker 8: Yes, there's also going to be some sort of great
36:47
Speaker 8: American state fair, but that's mostly going to be a
36:49
Speaker 8: collection of vendors.
36:52
Speaker 5: You know.
36:52
Speaker 8: It just when you look back at the nineteen seventies,
36:56
Speaker 8: this country celebrated its two hundredth anniversary.
36:59
Speaker 13: And so much much more was done.
37:01
Speaker 8: We had public schools actually editing their curriculums to teach
37:06
Speaker 8: and inspire students about our history.
37:09
Speaker 13: We saw, you.
37:10
Speaker 8: Know, so many different things going on around the country
37:14
Speaker 8: that were official events recognized by the federal government, that
37:18
Speaker 8: were educational and just really got Americans in the mindset
37:23
Speaker 8: of what inspired the great men and women who built
37:27
Speaker 8: this country and today you know, so much of our
37:30
Speaker 8: education in particular is just focused on the negative aspects
37:34
Speaker 8: of American history, and while that may be important, we're
37:37
Speaker 8: really lacking that patriotism that we used to have here
37:40
Speaker 8: and this would have been such a great opportunity to
37:42
Speaker 8: kind of reinvigorate that spirit.
37:45
Speaker 13: But we'll see.
37:47
Speaker 8: Maybe the vendor booths in the UFC fight will at
37:51
Speaker 8: least kind of entertain people and get them interested.
37:54
Speaker 2: Now we're drawing in close to those crucial midterm elections,
37:58
Speaker 2: and with high guess prizes, people are.
37:59
Speaker 1: Getting pretty cranky about that.
38:01
Speaker 2: How do you think it's going for Donald Trump as
38:03
Speaker 2: he heads towards those elections?
38:05
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, not particularly well. At this point.
38:08
Speaker 8: We're seeing Donald Trump's his popularity really slipping in the polls,
38:13
Speaker 8: and a lot of that decline in popularity is actually
38:16
Speaker 8: coming from his own base, and that's primarily because of
38:19
Speaker 8: the Saran War. The vast majority of Americans say the
38:24
Speaker 8: war has impacted American interests more negatively than positively. Of course,
38:28
Speaker 8: you know, gas prices are something that impact all of us.
38:31
Speaker 8: I just filled up my car this morning. It cost
38:33
Speaker 8: over one hundred US dollars to fill my car with gas.
38:37
Speaker 13: It's ridiculous.
38:39
Speaker 8: So the sooner this war can get wrapped up, the better.
38:43
Speaker 8: But if this continues, I fear it's going to be
38:45
Speaker 8: a blood bath for Republicans in the midterms.
38:48
Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump is clearly feeling the pinch. A bitty
38:50
Speaker 2: had quite a far interview with the NBC Meet the
38:53
Speaker 2: Press program where he stormed that let's have a look
38:57
Speaker 2: later an hour on and off in the ring, and
39:00
Speaker 2: I've given you enough time.
39:01
Speaker 3: You want to straighten out your press because you know what,
39:03
Speaker 3: MISSU country can never be great travel with it hones.
39:07
Speaker 4: Listen, if we traveled all the way to Wisconsin for the.
39:10
Speaker 2: Interview, Kristen, that doesn't really hurt Donald Trump with these
39:15
Speaker 2: bias though, does it not? At all?
39:17
Speaker 8: This is one of the things the base loves about
39:19
Speaker 8: Trump is the way he just gives it back to
39:21
Speaker 8: the media that has been so unfair to him and
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Speaker 8: so biased for so many years. There's a reason that
39:26
Speaker 8: only about twenty eight percent of Americans trust the mainstream
39:30
Speaker 8: media at this point. These people are just so flagrantly
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Speaker 8: biased they don't even try to hide it anymore. I
39:37
Speaker 8: will say this presenter, I watched the interview. She asked
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Speaker 8: a lot of very important questions leading up to this
39:43
Speaker 8: confrontation that were quite good questions. The unfortunate thing is
39:46
Speaker 8: they've lost all their credibility, so even when they do
39:49
Speaker 8: ask good questions, people are just tuning out. They hate
39:52
Speaker 8: these media people because of the way they have treated
39:56
Speaker 8: not just Donald Trump, but Republicans in general up to
39:59
Speaker 8: this point. So this shows Trump is still a fader.
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Speaker 8: His beast loved this stuff. This is just throwing red
40:05
Speaker 8: meat right out to his base.
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Speaker 1: Well, Christian Tate. That's where we'll have to wrap up,
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Speaker 1: So thank you.
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Speaker 13: Thank you very much, Chris.
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Speaker 12: Soon.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Decinta Allen takes a swipe at Pauline Hanson
40:19
Speaker 2: as Labour's polling numbers plummets. Premier Justinto Allen has taken
40:28
Speaker 2: a swipe at Pauline Hanson today over the ditch the
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Speaker 2: witch campaign in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson chooses to barrack for the bullies. I choose
40:37
Speaker 5: to fight them. I'm going to call it out. I'm
40:39
Speaker 5: going to keep calling out it's sexist, it's wrong, and
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Speaker 5: I'm calling it out for young women and girls and
40:46
Speaker 5: also two boys who need to see that this behavior
40:50
Speaker 5: is condemned, not barricked.
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Speaker 2: Well for more on that and the rest of the
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Speaker 2: day's headlines. I'm joined now by our panel which is
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Speaker 2: two double C host Stephen's and Tiempo and Suzi O'Brien
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Speaker 2: from News Cause National Education Editor.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Hu Hey, Chris Stephen begining with you that ditch the
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Speaker 2: witch campaign. It's pretty unfortunate though, isn't it. We don't
41:12
Speaker 2: want to see that sort of stuff in politics.
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Speaker 14: Look, I think our politicians have got to be a
41:17
Speaker 14: bit more robust. I mean, is it any worse than
41:20
Speaker 14: what we used to see from Paul Keating on the
41:21
Speaker 14: floor of Parliament back in the day. And I know
41:23
Speaker 14: we're supposed to be more in enlightened, but seriously, if
41:26
Speaker 14: our politicians haven't got a thicker skin than that, then
41:29
Speaker 14: we've got a real problem. And you know, I'm all
41:31
Speaker 14: this rubbish about being sexist. There are male witches too,
41:34
Speaker 14: And you know, as Angus on he was pulled up, well, well.
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Speaker 7: I know I'm Catholic, I'm not really into that stuff.
41:41
Speaker 14: But you know, as Angus Taylor said when he got
41:45
Speaker 14: pulled up for calling albow and arrogant prick in Parliament,
41:48
Speaker 14: well there's people out in the world saying a lot
41:50
Speaker 14: worse than that about him.
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Speaker 2: Cuzy O'Brien, are you in the suck it up camp?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 15: I really, most definitely am not at a time where
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Speaker 15: we're trying to get more women into parliam and this
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Speaker 15: is the last thing we need. And I disagree that
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Speaker 15: which is something that is also used for man, or
42:06
Speaker 15: that there's similar sorts of things like, yes, perhaps the
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Speaker 15: prick was that was.
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Speaker 7: Man to man.
42:12
Speaker 15: But when you have these kind of statements and these
42:17
Speaker 15: kind of words used solely for women in a way
42:20
Speaker 15: to curtail women, it's not good. It's not good for
42:24
Speaker 15: the existing politicians, and it's not good for the people
42:28
Speaker 15: coming up saying why would you be a politician when
42:30
Speaker 15: that's how you get treated Stephen.
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Speaker 2: One thing that's not good for the Coalition is certainly
42:35
Speaker 2: one nation of people saying that you know, they're taking
42:38
Speaker 2: paint off the Labor Party as well, but most of
42:40
Speaker 2: the paint they're taking off is off the Coalition, and
42:42
Speaker 2: that Victorian election looms as a threat for them.
42:46
Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Look, I don't know that Victoria is actually going to
42:49
Speaker 14: be any sort of indicator for the rest of the country,
42:51
Speaker 14: but certainly when you look at the polling. I mean
42:53
Speaker 14: when it was you know, I mean, some of the
42:55
Speaker 14: polling that we've seen recently should be taken with a
42:57
Speaker 14: grain of salt. But when used Pole comes out and
42:59
Speaker 14: says that one day of the most popular party in
43:01
Speaker 14: the country, you've got to sit up and take notice.
43:03
Speaker 14: And the real problem here is is that I think
43:06
Speaker 14: Angus Taylor is actually doing everything right, but nobody's listening.
43:09
Speaker 14: He's not getting any cut through. And you know, there's
43:11
Speaker 14: plenty of time, and there's maybe two years before the
43:15
Speaker 14: next election, so if they really get their messaging right,
43:18
Speaker 14: they might be able to clause some of it back.
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Speaker 7: But at the moment, it's not looking good.
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Speaker 2: CUSSI Angus Taylor is actually blaming the labor budget and
43:25
Speaker 2: the liars around that for the fall in the coalition's
43:28
Speaker 2: polling number. You buy that argument.
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Speaker 13: I think that's just bizarre.
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Speaker 15: I thought it was a typo when I read that.
43:34
Speaker 15: I mean, that's just absolutely bizarre. Steven's right, they're not
43:38
Speaker 15: cutting through, they don't have any kind of free airtime,
43:42
Speaker 15: and all Pauline Hanson needs to do is just make
43:45
Speaker 15: some vaguely outrageous comment and all eyes.
43:48
Speaker 7: Are on her.
43:49
Speaker 15: And this is you know, the fourth poll now showing
43:52
Speaker 15: that the primary vote at one nation is above labor.
43:56
Speaker 15: So this is no sort of like.
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Speaker 13: Fix.
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Speaker 15: I mean, this is a long term trend and it's
44:03
Speaker 15: going to be fascinating to see what happens in Victoria.
44:06
Speaker 15: We have it's slightly different because we have a popular
44:11
Speaker 15: opposition opposition leader and we have quite a hated premiere.
44:16
Speaker 15: Who knows how one nation is going to mix that up.
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Speaker 2: Steve, let's go to the call face of some of this,
44:21
Speaker 2: and you sit on that cold face every day as
44:23
Speaker 2: a radio host.
44:24
Speaker 1: You talk to people.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing some reports out today about the pressure that
44:28
Speaker 2: people feel it they're under, that they believe that there
44:31
Speaker 2: might be a recession soon. What's the feedback that you get.
44:35
Speaker 14: The feedback that I get is that there's already a recession.
44:38
Speaker 14: You know, I talked to small business owners on a
44:39
Speaker 14: daily basis who say, you know, I spoke to one
44:42
Speaker 14: cafe on a last week who says that he's now
44:44
Speaker 14: going to find an extra three thousand dollars a week
44:46
Speaker 14: from somewhere and he's already putting off staff. You know,
44:49
Speaker 14: you talk to retailers who say, well, there's nothing we
44:54
Speaker 14: can do.
44:54
Speaker 7: Other than put our prices up.
44:55
Speaker 14: We just cannot absorb any more of this damage that
44:58
Speaker 14: the government's doing. If you talk to real people out there,
45:00
Speaker 14: they say, we're already in a recession. Forget what the
45:02
Speaker 14: economists say, and forget what the official figures say.
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Speaker 7: People are really feeling this.
45:07
Speaker 14: And we know that we've been in a per capita
45:09
Speaker 14: recession for the better part of two years now. So
45:12
Speaker 14: this doesn't surprise me that that's the sentiment out there.
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Speaker 2: It says, you're a National Education editor. Families are really
45:18
Speaker 2: feeling the pinch of all. This is the cost of
45:20
Speaker 2: living everywhere. It's likely to get worse. As the closure
45:24
Speaker 2: of the straight offor moves lingers longer, the costs on
45:27
Speaker 2: everything will rise.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, like forty two percent of people are saying they've
45:32
Speaker 15: got less than one thousand dollars. I'm surprised it's that
45:36
Speaker 15: that high. Really, people are just one accident, just one
45:41
Speaker 15: bout bad incident away from having absolutely nothing. And all
45:46
Speaker 15: this talk we've been obsessed in recent weeks about you know,
45:49
Speaker 15: the negative gearing and the capital gains tax, what happens
45:52
Speaker 15: when you sell a small business.
45:53
Speaker 7: Whatever.
45:54
Speaker 15: People are on the bones of their ass they're not
45:56
Speaker 15: even thinking about capital gains or the tax. They're thinking
45:59
Speaker 15: about the next meal, the next heating bill. We're in Victoria,
46:03
Speaker 15: you know, we're coming into winter. It's an expensive time
46:06
Speaker 15: to live.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so both of you. Do you think that
46:08
Speaker 2: the point that Augustata was trying to make is that
46:10
Speaker 2: when the Labor Party broke those promises so blatantly, it
46:14
Speaker 2: was just a pox on all houses of politicians, and
46:17
Speaker 2: that Pauline Hanson is an alternative.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, to an extent.
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Speaker 14: I think there might be a bit of that, But
46:24
Speaker 14: I think it's a long bow to say that Labour's
46:26
Speaker 14: budget is causing you the coalition's vote to drop.
46:29
Speaker 7: I think what's happening here is it.
46:30
Speaker 14: And we saw it this week with both Barnaby Joyce
46:33
Speaker 14: and Sean Bell proving that one nation are not up
46:35
Speaker 14: to governing. They're not actually giving any answers here. People
46:38
Speaker 14: don't care. It's become a little bit like the two
46:41
Speaker 14: sides of the Trump derangement syndrome.
46:43
Speaker 7: Coin.
46:43
Speaker 14: There's those that hate Pauline Hanson and no matter what
46:45
Speaker 14: she did, if she cured cancer, she'd still be evil,
46:48
Speaker 14: and the others that say if she ate babies, well,
46:51
Speaker 14: it'd be the baby's fault. There's this polarization now that
46:54
Speaker 14: we just don't seem to be able to get out
46:56
Speaker 14: of the nexus.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think Susie, it's people basically is saying
47:00
Speaker 2: we're not going to vote for politics as usual.
47:03
Speaker 15: Yeah, we can see that in the polls. I mean,
47:05
Speaker 15: as I say, who knows where it's going to land.
47:08
Speaker 15: But I think it's actually outrageous of Angus Tailor to
47:11
Speaker 15: blame Labor for the coalition's woes. I mean, I think
47:14
Speaker 15: what Labor has done was offer the Coalition.
47:17
Speaker 1: The biggest gift.
47:18
Speaker 15: And I know that a lot of Coalition advisers we're
47:22
Speaker 15: sitting around, they're throwing a party the day after that budget.
47:25
Speaker 15: They couldn't believe what a gift they'd been given. And
47:27
Speaker 15: they haven't managed to capitalize on it. They have not
47:31
Speaker 15: landed a blow.
47:32
Speaker 2: And just to finish, we've had an Australian renter who
47:34
Speaker 2: says that she's been forced to take down Australian flag.
47:37
Speaker 2: Let's hear what she's had to say.
47:39
Speaker 16: This morning, we had a routine house inspection and the
47:43
Speaker 16: first thing that the real estate said when she got
47:45
Speaker 16: to the front door is I'm going to have to
47:47
Speaker 16: take this Australian flag down before I can start the inspection.
47:50
Speaker 16: The owner believes by having it up our house might
47:53
Speaker 16: become a target. Since when has it been that you're
47:57
Speaker 16: not allowed to be proud to be Australian and to
47:59
Speaker 16: live in such beautiful country.
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Speaker 1: Stephen thoughts.
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Speaker 7: Disgrace. It's the Australian flag. It should be flown everywhere,
48:08
Speaker 7: SUSI a.
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Speaker 13: Target for what? Good?
48:11
Speaker 15: Honest Laura biding other Australians. I mean, come on.
48:16
Speaker 2: Interesting times well. Steven Senatiempo from two Double C and
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Speaker 2: Susio Brian from News Colls, thank you both very very much.
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Speaker 7: Thanks Chris, thanks.
48:26
Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 2: The terrifying thing is that I can remember the two
48:29
Speaker 2: hundredth anniversary of the Republic in the United States and
48:32
Speaker 2: the stories on television. Was it only.
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Speaker 1: Fifty years ago?
48:35
Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to that cage fright. So that's
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Speaker 2: it for me for now. We'll see you tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: at five pm. Next up, Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 1: Good night,