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John Randle: The Art of Trash-Talking, Face-Painting Ritual, Mentoring NFL Legends · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: Play to be over and I just walk up behind
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  Speaker 1: me and it's like touch him on his back, touch
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  Speaker 1: him on his button, just like touches on. You're like, hm,
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  Speaker 1: You're like, don't touch me. So display I'm on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to touch and he looks. He just jumps
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  Speaker 1: down on me and he's like elbowing me as he's
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  Speaker 1: doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at for the rep. We're like, get him off,
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  Speaker 2: get him?
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  Speaker 3: What's up? Everybody on Peanut too mean?
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  Speaker 4: with me as always my trusty co hosts, mister Roman,
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  Speaker 4: show my chest, I don't shave Harper. Oh yeah, man,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, that was good. I'm actually like hubs, I
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  Speaker 4: would say, because i'm your golf coach for the week.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm trying to help my guy out.
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  Speaker 4: This has actually been very interesting because he's actually excited.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited because we got a golf for That is
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  Speaker 4: a former NFL Hall of Famer on the podcast, right,
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  Speaker 4: former in it. No, he is in there. He's not
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  Speaker 4: a former. He is a Hall of Famer. He's a
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  Speaker 4: former football player that was a Hall of Famer, but
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  Speaker 4: now he's.
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  Speaker 3: Just stopped talking. I got it. Look it.
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  Speaker 4: First off, let me just say, y'all have seen this man.
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  Speaker 4: If you've watched NFL films, you've seen this man. He
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  Speaker 4: is like the face of talking. He paints his face.
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  Speaker 4: He's a world class talker. He's in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 4: He has one hundred and thirty seven and a half sacks,
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  Speaker 4: the most by a defensive tackle. He works now with
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  Speaker 4: the NFL A Leigenus community. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
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  Speaker 4: to the pot. Mister John Redo just pop.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are good.
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  Speaker 4: All I'm gonna tell you is I just remember when
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  Speaker 4: I was a kid, I used to watch the NFL
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  Speaker 4: film shows and they would they would show you when
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  Speaker 4: you were miked up, and you made that look fun
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  Speaker 4: even though you were talking trash and I know you
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  Speaker 4: weren't serious, you made it look so fun, and I
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  Speaker 4: was just like, I want to play d line. I
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  Speaker 4: want I'm too small, but like I wanted to be
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  Speaker 4: in the trenches with you and just talk trash with you,
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  Speaker 4: like you are in inspiration to all trash taggers. Let
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  Speaker 4: me just say that, like that, that is you. There's
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  Speaker 4: a few snippets of me talking trash to like big dudes,
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  Speaker 4: big offensive linemen, and I was I was trying to
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  Speaker 4: channel my inner John Rental like it just I got
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  Speaker 4: to show you one day. But yeah, like specially special
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  Speaker 4: place in my heart with the talking. It was pretty
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  Speaker 4: pretty dope.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. NFL Film made it. They
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  Speaker 2: definitely made it easy.
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  Speaker 1: But it was difficult at the time because when we
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  Speaker 1: started doing the taping or the they was putting the
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  Speaker 1: mic in my shoulder pads, I kept getting shocked and.
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  Speaker 3: They hadn't perfected it. How big was it was?
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  Speaker 2: It?
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  Speaker 1: Oh dude, it was huge. It was like a big
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  Speaker 1: old block. And if you looked some of the films,
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  Speaker 1: there's like a hump in my back. It's because that's
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  Speaker 1: where the mic was at. So every just put the
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  Speaker 1: mic on. They would use like some duct tape and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and every once in a while, because I kept putting
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  Speaker 1: water on my shoulder pads the loose and keep myself loose,
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  Speaker 1: it would come off. And occasionally they would come on
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  Speaker 1: the sideline going down my shoulder pads during the game
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  Speaker 1: trying to fix it and stuff and so, and that
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  Speaker 1: was I'm like, I keep getting like something like sticking
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  Speaker 1: or pinching me. He goes, yeah, you're getting shot, so
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  Speaker 1: just part of it.
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  Speaker 3: But the mic was like this big in his back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well back then it's probably because you know, you got
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  Speaker 4: just a little small things now yeah, but I mean
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  Speaker 4: you were one of the first.
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  Speaker 3: Features to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Like I watched eight minutes of you last night in
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  Speaker 4: my hotel room, just talking trash.
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  Speaker 3: Steve Young. You're called hey Stevie, Stevie, and you.
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  Speaker 4: Have like you havn't full blown conversations, mostly with yourself
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  Speaker 4: correct and sometimes with referees.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: It was just pure entertainment.
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  Speaker 4: So did you know, like, you know what, once I
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  Speaker 4: started to get good at this, now I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: get more camera time I get did you or you
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  Speaker 4: were not even thinking that far into it?
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't thinking that far into it. I Uh.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I had to try to some ways be
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  Speaker 1: more comfortable. So talking make me feel more comfortable, just
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  Speaker 1: just trying to start a conversation with a guy because
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get his attention. You know, I still
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  Speaker 1: saw my I see him. I saw myself as still
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  Speaker 1: a free agent player, even though I went to Pro
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  Speaker 1: Bowls or whatever, and so when I was got somebody's attention,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, you're talking to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. Yeah, you're talking to me.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, Usually the conversation the guy kind of got
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  Speaker 1: really into it, and sometimes he just forgot what he
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  Speaker 1: was doing and whatever, and so I just kept pushing it,
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  Speaker 1: pushing it, pushing it.
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  Speaker 4: So you would do it to try and get it,
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  Speaker 4: get guys out of their game. That's what a lot
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  Speaker 4: of trash talking is. Did you ever say something and
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  Speaker 4: regret it? You know that was probably a little too much.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because in some ways that was
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  Speaker 1: the part of it, and you got somebody who was angry.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the best parts of it
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  Speaker 1: they didn't record because I wasn't Mike. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just you're just going back and forth, man, going that
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like with the Cowboys with Eric Williams and
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  Speaker 1: Big Tackle Larry Allen Stephanosky. They knew going edit and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you just I didn't. I'm like, yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: no MIC's on me today, man. So we're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be rated X. We're gonna go edit, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get down to it.
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  Speaker 3: So do you remember the Trenton delf for story.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. So I was kind of a younger
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  Speaker 1: guy on the team. So we had Henry Thomas, I
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  Speaker 1: think Chris Doblin was still on the team, and they
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  Speaker 1: were the leaders. So I'm kind of like like the
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  Speaker 1: little say you was surrounded by some big german shepherd
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like a little chihuahua and went in there
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  Speaker 1: with these guys. I'm trying to So I think Henry
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  Speaker 1: got in a conversation with him or something and Trent
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  Speaker 1: was like, you guys are dirty and all this and that,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm just thinking saying, we're dirty. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get it. I'm trying to get to him,
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  Speaker 1: and one time, i mean one of his office linees
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  Speaker 1: just knocked me down on the ground and as I'm
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, I'm just trying to reach up and
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  Speaker 1: grab him, touch him, and I'm screaming, you know, like like
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  Speaker 1: that child that we have that's not say spoiled, but
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  Speaker 1: he just just won't stop, and I'm I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: touch him.
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  Speaker 3: Was he on the ground, where.
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  Speaker 2: Was he standing up?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm yelling at him, but he's standing up, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like touching his leg, like just
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  Speaker 1: trying to touch him. Like, man, just touch you. They
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  Speaker 1: said we got to touch the quarter back. I want
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  Speaker 1: to touch you. He's like, don't touch me, don't touch me,
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  Speaker 1: and so you know, it's be like play to be over.
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  Speaker 1: And I just walk up behind me and it's like
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  Speaker 1: touch him on his back, touch him on his button,
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  Speaker 1: just like touch his on You're like, h You're like,
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  Speaker 1: don't touch me. So this play, I'm on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to touch him and he looks down. He
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  Speaker 1: just jumped down on me and he's like elbowing me.
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  Speaker 1: Do him And I look out as he's doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at for Therough.
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  Speaker 2: Like get him off, get him.
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  Speaker 4: He got him kicked out of a game, only the
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  Speaker 4: second time of quarterback's ever been ejected. Yeah, it's crazy,
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  Speaker 4: and and this is what you're talking about. This is
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  Speaker 4: but this is exactly why the method to your madness
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  Speaker 4: is why it all works. So after this moment when
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  Speaker 4: you get a quarterback kicked out, you're like ultra confident,
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  Speaker 4: like what I'm doing is it worked?
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  Speaker 1: No. I went back into the huddle, looked at the
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  Speaker 1: guys in the huddle, thank you. I deserve an oscar
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  Speaker 1: you know in me or something. It's my performance was spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: And they look at you know, the guys, and he
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  Speaker 1: look at you right and just shut up getting the
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that was spectacular.
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  Speaker 2: I got him out the game. I got him out
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 1: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: But you oh, dude, I was like, man, I got him.
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  Speaker 2: He's gone. Yeah. I'm like, that's like a Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 2: three pointer, Baby Lou.
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  Speaker 4: Pure comedy, absolutely, pure comedies. Does John Rendall have a
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the NFL moment?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, Mike, Mike, Welcome to the NFL
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  Speaker 1: moment probably happened several times.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, there's moments when I first got into the league.
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  Speaker 1: I think to me, one of the ones was my
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  Speaker 1: coach Paul Wiggins at the time, I'm playing behind Dolban.
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  Speaker 2: And these guys, and he says, listen.
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  Speaker 1: You're a rookie and I'm glad you're on his team,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not going to play. Don't expect to play
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  Speaker 1: because these guys, you know, so, I'm not gonna put
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  Speaker 1: you in the game on defense.
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  Speaker 2: You're just gonna play special teams. Okay with all right, So.
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  Speaker 1: We go play Kansas City and they're doing their chance
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  Speaker 1: over there and Chris doman shoelace breaks and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, he turns around, coach, looks at me, grabbing
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  Speaker 1: me by my shoulders, leaves me to the right, leads
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  Speaker 1: me to the left.
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  Speaker 2: I need a defensive lineman.
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  Speaker 1: And just looking around like and he looks at me again,
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  Speaker 1: drops his head and goes go in the game. I
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  Speaker 1: go in the game, man, and I'm going in the game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking back like he's gonna call me back. Man,
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  Speaker 1: He's gotta call me back. I'm not supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: in there. There's no confidence. But that was one of
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  Speaker 1: my moments. But my other one was going against Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Munos and Jackie Slater.
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  Speaker 2: I mean where Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: His helmet was too tight, his face and squeezing his
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  Speaker 1: face and he's out there just he's doing whatever he
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  Speaker 1: wanted with me. I mean, man, he threw me left
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  Speaker 1: to me right all over the place, camp to sideline
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  Speaker 1: to my Paul Wiggins.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Just hang on, son,
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  Speaker 2: hang on.
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  Speaker 3: But I was a coach.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony mor same thing. He's tossing me and I'm like this.
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  Speaker 1: It was like screaming out you. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: do something. Man. I felt like I was with an octopus.
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  Speaker 1: He was I'm just silent. Just hang on, Son, just
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  Speaker 1: hang on. And I'm like, man, this is the NFL, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is nothing like it.
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  Speaker 4: Did it kill your confidence though or your mood when
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  Speaker 4: your coach was like, hey, you're not playing this year,
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  Speaker 4: just just do special teams?
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  Speaker 3: Like did that? Dude?
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  Speaker 4: Just like, no, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna out there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a starter.
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  Speaker 1: I was a guy in practice where everybody hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I'm not getting any success in
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  Speaker 1: on game day. I'm gonna get my success in practice.
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  Speaker 1: This week I'm Derrick Thomas. Next week I'm howay long.
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  Speaker 1: In practice, I'm gonna get some success. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I that time got my confidence was by doing that
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  Speaker 1: in practice. But now it didn't stop me because for
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  Speaker 1: me coming into the NFL as a free agent, a
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  Speaker 1: guy that wasn't supposed to be here then and you
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  Speaker 1: all sudden there's a door that opened up and I
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  Speaker 1: got in.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm gonna hang on.
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  Speaker 3: So John.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I love your passion and you're not disappointing
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  Speaker 4: me at all.
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  Speaker 3: I knew you weren't going to Oh.
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  Speaker 4: You know you came from college at Texas Valley, Texas A,
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: and I Texas A and I what is that the
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  Speaker 4: javelin jas?
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  Speaker 3: How do you say that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: But what people don't.
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  Speaker 1: Remember, don't think about. That's what Darryl Green unto Ah
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  Speaker 1: where Gene Upshaw went too.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys got haull of famers.
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  Speaker 2: Even got Evil Longoria went there.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, that's big. We're dropping facts today. We'll be right back,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 4: So understanding that you already come in, you're undrafted, what
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  Speaker 4: kept you motivated? Because I don't think most people, including myself,
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  Speaker 4: until I looked you up and shout out to Thomas
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  Speaker 4: for doing a great job on our research team, that
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  Speaker 4: you got cut from the Falcons and the Bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought me in, but they was like, my
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  Speaker 1: brother's was at Tampa and they were like, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: not a Defenson lineman, so we're gonna try to move
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: you the linebacker and.
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  Speaker 3: Your brother's like, bro, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: No, my brother was like, yeah, you can be here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my brother's like you can be here, you
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  Speaker 1: and I be together, hang out, And I said, man, no,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be a defensive lineman. And that's in
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  Speaker 1: my heart, my mind, that's why I wanted to play.
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  Speaker 1: And I knew it wasn't gonna happen in Tampa, and
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  Speaker 1: so I left. Basically, yeah, cut, they didn't they didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: Let go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that that never slows you down. It was
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  Speaker 4: really all the self motivation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Then you got the Minnesota your coach, believe in your
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  Speaker 4: d line coach, and you had a couple of parameters
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  Speaker 4: before you could play correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was playing. I was just mostly special team. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I was on kickoff, punt, punt return, even had me
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  Speaker 1: on hands team. But my job wasn't to catch.
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  Speaker 3: You were definitely blocking. Yeah, yeah, that was that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually got in my rookie year and on
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  Speaker 1: hands team and wasgainst the Raiders and the guys like, man,
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  Speaker 1: your job is to get that dude touches the ball.
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  Speaker 1: He touches the ball, take him out, not take him out,
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: but just knock him off. So and I did, and
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  Speaker 1: the dude was number eighty one.
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  Speaker 3: You get a little guy, No, he's Tim Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Tim Brown.
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  Speaker 1: He got in mind right there, and I'm like, brouh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sir, this is gonna hurt.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you say What did you say?
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  Speaker 3: Because I know you said something. I know you weren't
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  Speaker 3: talking to Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I came up, man, ran down on the hands team
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: put that mouth piece in.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: He stuck his hands up. Oh I got up.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, that had to hurt. Oh my god.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: You became a full time starter in nineteen ninety one
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  Speaker 4: and you had nine and a half sacks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what did that moment feel like?
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  Speaker 1: I'm out about in experience because I actually broke my
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: thumb and I was playing with a broke thumb with
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: a had the cast on, and they were like, hey,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: you can play with it, or we can, you know,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: put you on end the reserve. And I'm like, oh, man,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't come this far just to be put on
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  Speaker 1: the shelf. And I was playing with it. But it
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  Speaker 1: just pushed me to just think what I could do
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  Speaker 1: if I had had my hand, and how much more
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I could accomplish. But it just pushed me because at
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the time, I think in the NFL most teams had
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: older players. It wasn't a lot of young players, and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I was just for myself. I think I was speaking
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: for the young guy. And you know what, you guys
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  Speaker 1: are comfortable, You had your success, and you're good with
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm hungry, and I'm hungry all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I just want a chance play something, and it
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: just it just pushed me. And I think I just
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  Speaker 1: pushed myself to try to prove that a kid from
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: a town of one hundred and fifty people could do
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  Speaker 1: something and that I mattered. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: message that I take with me today is that it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't matter who you are,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have a single parent or your
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: parents are two females or two males or whatever. In
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  Speaker 1: this world, even to your grandparents, you can achieve stuff
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  Speaker 1: if you set your mind to it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I.
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  Speaker 4: Carry great point, And let's talk about how you continue
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  Speaker 4: to carry on that success from nineteen ninety three to
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, where you were six straight all pros,
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  Speaker 4: went to the Pro Bowl every year and you had
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: what ten ten plus sacks?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, and every single of.
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  Speaker 4: Those seasons seven Pro Bowls total, like, how, like what
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  Speaker 4: kind of carried you through that stretch? Like when you're
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: on this heater, did you realize your only heater?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Na you were just I felt since I grew up
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: in the country and I love watching westerns, I felt
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: like I was that gun slinger who's going from town
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to town with that reputation, and I'm like, like Clint
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Eastwood is something like, bruh, I'm ready to back it up.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Whoever is the bad is in this town. Let me see.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I want to see what you got, see what I got.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go at it. And I think if I wasn't
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: trashed off so much, I might have got a few
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: extra years on maybe guys. Because I didn't, I wasn't
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: very popular, so guys kind of hated me with that reputation.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And because we have guys come on the team and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: some other teams go, man, you know what, I hate you,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and how would you be like.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's special.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like Sally feels you really do like me,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And I didn't care because for me, I'm trying to
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: help my team win.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeh, bruh by all means matters. I'm trying to do that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's it's a difference in today's game.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I hear a lot of older players include my we
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: did not care if people hated us versus I think
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: now in today's football and other sports, basketball especially, these
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: guys are a lot more friendly. Like did you exchange
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: jerseys after games? That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: think any of that stuff. I need that my last
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: year because I knew I was going to retire. I
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: knew I was on my way out, so I wanted
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: certain jerseys.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I think back then, I mean, man, the way guys were,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they didn't care about that. I mean, man, you going
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the fields. Dudes were hitting you in between the legs,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: doing whatever they wanted on the ground. It was about
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: helping your team win. I think the guys thought was,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: if you don't like me and my team is having success,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so be it. And I was like, hey, I'm the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: same way. I want my team to win. I want
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to be I want our team to be as successful
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: as possible. And if I got to go through you,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I mean in some locker room, I was being one
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: of them at the time. We used to say, hey,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: if my mom is the other side of the ball
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and she stands with football.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mom, but this's gonna hurt. That's just gonna hurt.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Mom, I love you, but you're interfering what
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: So I get it. I get it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: So we all have a game where we probably think
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: it was our best. When I think my Tennessee game
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: is probably one of my best statistical games. So in
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: ninety six, Week four, Brett Farman ringmy Packers, you had
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: three and a half sacks and you forced two fumbles.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: What do you think your best statistical game is?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's easy. That was where we watch Bruce Smith.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Go against Tony Biselli and Tony thought he really kind
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of he kind of handled Bruce, and me, being a guy,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: was look to this day, look up to Bruce Smith.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how dare that man put his hands
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on Bruce Smith. So in the defensive end, had a conversation,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: said get ready to play Tony Biselli. I said, you
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: don't mind, sir if I sneak out there for a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: few reps on mister Boselli. I have something I need
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to discuss with this man. So I jumped out there.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: He wasn't expecting this to come around that corner and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I was all over mister Tony Boselli. Tony and I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: are good friends. Now we've discussed this and we have
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a good relationship about this. Now okay, but I had
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to do this on mister Boselli and now I upped him.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Bruh. I came out there. I was like that movie Tombstone.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, like Doc Holiday, I'll be a Huckleberry
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: say when that's my game.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And dude coming around that corner and I was ooh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this is for Bruce. He was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: trying to talk to my man, don't talk to me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You put your hands on Bruce. That's another pass rusher.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Don't do that, man. For me, that was a game.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: You're talking about other pass rushers.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Did you have, like any other friendly competition with all
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the other great pass rushers.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It was Reggie White at the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Time, Yeah, Bruce, Chris Dolman, Kevin Green, uh, you know
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Greg Lloyd came about. Yeah, Yeah, all these guys were
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: great pass rushers.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Since I had mister Chris Dolman guard rest soul Doe,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: would he would teach you about past running, Like see Johnny,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: look at the stats see what how everybody else is doing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, y'all defensive vans, I said, I'm not
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: looking at that. What I would do was I would
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: watch other pass rushers and kind of steal their moves.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Reggie had the hump move instead the hunk. Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Since I'm only six to one, mine was a little miniature.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Hump, a little hump.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we we would compete. Uh. I mean tell you,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you watch them with each other, and you watch somebody play,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we sit there and you watch, like, man,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: this got right here, he's coming this year, he's coming.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I mean like Ken Harvey, he was outside lineback, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: man Ken was always up in there. But I'm like, man,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: if I was lined up outside, nobody over me, can
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'd get ten two? But I got to deal with
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this garden. The center keeps flying to me every time.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: What was your best pastors move back?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It was called like a jabbala where I stood on outside,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: hit a hard step, and as soon as I saw
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the guy hands come outside, I would either kind of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: do a little little mental swim or rip it inside
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: go inside on him. But that was one I just
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: tried to just whatever For me, it wasn't about my
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: best move. It was what that guy was having problem
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: with because I would go back to the beginning of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the season or even last season to watch this guy
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and see what moves he was beat on, and I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: would perfect those moves for that week to be ready.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: For that guy on that little method of my madness.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Like you just said madness, there's definitely some good madness.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I liked facing Calvin Johnson, you know, Randy Moss. Those
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: are like the guys that I enjoyed going against those
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: guys being in our division. Is there a quarterback or
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: was there a quarterback that you like to face?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: That's definitely Brett Farr because he was in Wisconsin. Since
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I'm in Minnesota. Yea, And Wisconsin's saying for some strange
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: reason they liked coming to Minnesota with that Green Bay
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Packer stuff, like they were playing us that week. I'm like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: y'all not even playing us? Why are y'all even here?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: You should be in Detroit. You're playing Detroit because we're
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, and so a lot of our
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: fans in Minnesota are either Vikings standing or the Packer fans,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and so for me, I always wanted to represent and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I always told my Vikings, man, I'm trying to do
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: whatever I can since I understand because they were telling
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: me at the time that their husband was a packer fan.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Whatever I said this week, you're gonna appreciate me because
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do wherever I can to help
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: our team and help you your household.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be the winner this week. And that's what
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I tried to do.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: So when I'm gonna flip that question, was there a
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: quarterback that you hated to go against?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Oh? Hated go against? That's a good question.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: All the ones that just took off running like my
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: last few years played Michael Vick and I'm like, man,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: this man right here.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: This ain't right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: But did you ever have a sack on Vic?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I got him? Sure did?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that was you know, me getting a sack,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And I think it was like my be the thirteenth year,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know, getting the sack, being the older defensive lineman.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And sitting down going you see that young bucks.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I got Vic, I meany y'all got on Vic old man.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But most of them, the mobile quarterbacks, they would just
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: take call and but I just liked for him to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a stand back there and we can run them wild
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: games come around the corner. Because we had to get
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: there because for me, my DB's who will put on
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: an island?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Hey, I gotta protect y'all, man, thank you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: That was my thing. I don't want my dvs on
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: an island.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It goes back to back to Texas's Friday night lights.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, we got to get there, boys. We
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: owe it to our dB.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: So all right, you're not only a Hall of Fame
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: football player, which you're also a Hall of Fame storyteller.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It's been fantastic. Spectaclar is the word that you like
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: to use like that? Do you like that?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I want to know this and hopefully you can tell
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: me the story about it. Do you remember your only
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: NFL touchdown in your career?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it's the Giants.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That was It was after nine to eleven and we're
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in New York and it was a tragic time and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I remember was taking a trip and uh, it was
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: just a strange time, man, you know, getting that in
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: New York as I'm like, I think that's something that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I cherish too, because it's New York's. Man, it's in
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: New York. It's I got a touchdown. I remember telling
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the youngery man, y'all see the old man again. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: got something in New York that none of the line.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You got a touchdown, but it was spectacular. I remember it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even hear the crowd though, Man, I couldn't
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: hear the crowd. But getting on that ball amazing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Did you keep the ball?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I mean you accomplished so much. I can't believe you
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: never had another way.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I got interception on time, tried
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to score it and against the forty nine ers. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think for me, I have so much more to accomplish.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And it's not on the field. It's definitely off the field.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And there's just so much more I want to do too,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And uh, it's there's so much more to tell my story.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, let's talk about a little bit more of
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: that story. Okay, golf? Yeah, is this your new passion?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: It's definitely mine. Let's let's talk about it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I heard you are are you are reportedly a twelve handicap.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I am a U S G, A bro.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, okay, I'm with it to I got it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what is what is gin? What
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: is it?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: What are we talking about? I'm like the listeners, We
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: have no idea what you guys so many.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Moss, give me a follow. You're on the outside. We're
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: actually inside. We'll bring me inside. I knocking, let me open.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We're gonna let you in, all right.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: The GIN is like how people track your your your handicap,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: and so you record your scores after you play, after
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: each round you play, and it has this average about
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: where you are, and then that is what people use
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: as your handicap for when you play in tournaments. This
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: is how they crack how good you are. Like professionals
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: are like pluses, right, we're minus?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: When did you get in the golf?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I was had kind of played before a little bit
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: here and there. But when I got in the Hall
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: of Fame Steve Perry, who's the president of Hall at
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the time, it took me on the course. So I'm
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: with the president of Hall of Fame. You know, I'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: just like, man, I just got all. He was like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: do you play golf? I go play a little bit?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I have my sticks and you know. So
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we got out there and we were playing. I shot
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: like a ninety eight. I'm like, all right, ninety eight,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: but you shoot He goes, you know, he shot like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a ninety two whatever, And I think a guy's name
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: was Dave Motts. Dave Motts comes up to me and goes, yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you shot like a ninety eight, but you owe like
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: two hundred bucks. Well, see, you would last on the green,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you would last on the fairways, and you missed this
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: here hold, so you was off that one and I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was on that one first, and.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Steve Perry you were. You were on that on.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So Steve, you get twenty bucks for that, and you
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: owe me two hundred books. I'm like what, I'm like, okay,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: gave me this two hundred bucks. And after that I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: started practicing. Yeah, and I started reading this book by
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Harvey Pennock, a little red book started teaching me about
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: golf and the strategy of golf. About most people, you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: go to range, you pull out your driver, you want
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to hit boom. Well it taught me that you know
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you want to you want to chip and putt because
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that's where you you hit every hole.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You chip and putt. You don't normally hit your driver
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: every hole.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So I started learning that to the point where I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: didn't even have a driver. When I first started playing.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I had a three iron, a four iron. I'm like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: don't need a driver, and people will seeing you going
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you don't have a driver, Like, nah, what you got
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: got My three hours I'm hearing are about two thirty forty.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Then I can play that. Yeah, and you can. Man,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you do that shot over and over. That's your percentage
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: right there, over and over again.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Man. I started playing.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Better and better, and I like walking because it's six
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: miles ruh to do the amount of walkings I do
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on the golf course, and the winter in Minnesota takes
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: me two hours on the treadmill. So, man, walking on
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the golf course, it's a beautiful thing. Beautiful thing watching
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that ball when it's just.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Oh man, let's talk about some of the work you're
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: doing with the Llegenus community. Well just just tell us
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: what what is Allegen's community and what are you doing
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: with the alleged community specifically mental health?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, the Legend community is by engaging, celebrating, and educating
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: former players. For me, it's more than that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: On the personal note, the Legends community is allowing me
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to give back to guys who I played with. Who
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the guys that say we're running games up on the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: defensive line held.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: A guy up and made the play. It allows me
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to give back to guys.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And because for me, this game of football, man has
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: given me so much my wife. I met my wife
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and I wouldn't have had that without football.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So for me to engage guys to give back to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: his game and to be able to help guys who
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: come from the game and have injuries or mental health problems, man,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that's for me to help those guys out. Because being
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, I see a lot of former players I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: played with, and when we have our Legends week once
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a year, guys come back. Man, you're talking to guys
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen in twenty some years. I'm talking
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to him finding out that they have issues. And being
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a guy, we always think that we don't want to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: tell what's going on with us. But a lot of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: times guys will talk to the guys they played with.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: They'll tell you what's going on before they tell their wives,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: so before they tell their friends and family, they'll tell
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: from a player, And so me talking to these guys, man,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is putting them in a better place because to me,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you give so much on that football field, your blood,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: sweat and tears. Man, I want to some way give
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it back to you by making it life a little
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: bit easier and giving you information about what's out there
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that you may not know about. And I saw I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: do that through the Legends community and being a part
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of it is just wonderful, man, because you can come
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to somebody who's got a frown on that face, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: when you get done talking to them, they've got to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: smile on the face. Man, Because when the guys see you,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they don't just see you. You bring back memories to him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So man, when you talking to him, it's the brotherhood, you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Know, John, You know we all share locker rooms, and
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: maybe it is that memory aspect. But I want to
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: ask you anyways, it's like, why do we share so
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: much easily with our own versus Like I was like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: we would do that, You're right. I don't know if
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I've heard it put that way, but I don't know
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: why I was so much more open to share stories
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: with you or Peanut or any other football guys walking
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: around than I am, sometimes with my own brother or.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Because for me, it's part like the military. When you're
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in a foxhold with somebody and you spend ten to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: twelve hours a day with each other, man, you get
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to know each other and you're talking about stuff. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I had so many conversations that locker room with guys
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: talking about their kids. I mean, Benson Lafe fish Gerald
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: grew up in our locker room. Yeah, Kim Jordan grew
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: up in our locker room. So I have a relationship
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: with those guys. That's from being in that locker room.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's from like being your neighbor, but being that neighbor
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: where who sits outside in his chair and he has
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: another chair for you. You come out here and y'all
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: sit and talk and the conversation goes wherever you guys
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: want it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And that's that foxhole.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Man. You day in, day out, you're out there balland
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: he was looking at each other eyes like today's not
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a good day. I'm playing all right, but I wish
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I was doing better. But you talk to him here, hey, man,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: we in this together, bro in this together. And that's
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: what it's like in there. And like I said, that blood,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: sweat and tears. But you share lives, man, you share
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: emotional time Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Because you're practice and that's every day.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You coming in there a lot of times, guys, we'll
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: get together and we have conversation. And I may have
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: forgot about it this man. You remember when we were
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: hanging out and all of a sudden I was going
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: through something, man.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And you stayed with me. Man, But he goes, why
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: are you stay? Man?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: With teammates and that teammate more than just teammates, Man,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it's family. To me, that's family. And it's just like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: here in Canton, everybody, each class says we're coming back.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Every year we can come back. And when you see
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: these guys come back, Man, it's more than just football.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It's great memories, bad memories, but it's togetherness. And that's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that locker room. Outside of the locker room.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you talked about family.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And as we did some research, we learned that one
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: thing that you would do is after the seasons, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: would drive all the way back to Texas. Yeah, fifteen
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: hours maybe longer, Yeah, all the way back.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you start doing that?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Because it gave me a time, a chance to reflect
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: over the season, reflect on things I did and things
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't do.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted to have that time to myself because during
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the football season, man, you're running round you doing this,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: doing that, and it allowed me to reflect, allowed me
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to drive and listen to one of my favorite bands,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you too for your YouTube.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Call him a huge.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: YouTube guy, broy Man, Joshua Tree. Come on, bro, that's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: what it's like most guys on Game Baby listening to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: some back Then Biggie and all this and that and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: some a C d C Metallica. I'm only listen to YouTube.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Bon No, Joshua Tree. Brother, I'm just sitting there to do.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get it there. I'm already there.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to calm it down, just trying to Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that was me. So driving back, driving the Texas allowed
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: me to do that, and I enjoyed it. It was
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: just peaceful time, man, just from all thentness and all that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Just to roll the windows down. Man, I'm like driving
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: on the old Woo. Yes, I enjoyed it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and we'll be
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: right back that earlier.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: You know in the in the pod, you said you
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: have so much more to do.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you mean by that?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know there's more for me coming.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, like fence in Minnesota. I'm involved with charities.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: My son was born, he was special needs, so we
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: got involved with a special needs school. We helped him
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: raise twenty one million dollars and didn't We didn't want
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to pay any from it, but we just wanted to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: help other families who might have been going through what
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: we were going through with a special needs child because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we didn't know where which direction to turn. So being
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: able to do that, man, that just opened the door
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: for so many other families get involved with the first
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: tea program, I'm involved with, tal based Army. Uh, just
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: numerous charities I'm involved in Minnesota. It just allowed me
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to give back to the community that gave me so much.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And like I said, there's there's other stuff that's coming.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know yet, but I know that God has
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: more plan for me, so I just continue on my journey.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: So I got a friend of mine that paints his
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: face yeah for game days, right, And it started with
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: just this, Yeah, then it kind of goes a little
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: bit down and around. Then he starts feeling in the blanks.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Now he's got dots on his head, and he just
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: kept going, Yeah, how did George start? Because you were
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: one of the first guys that I remember as like
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: a black dude that was like blacked out underneath the
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: pace past.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It was so because nobody just starts with the whole thing. Yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: so there we go, walk me through the process. Starts
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: under the eyes.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we just start my eyes. And so.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I had some very this is an interesting defense lineman
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: for sure. And one guy was from like Florida State,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and uh the name Derrick Alexander, you call him d A.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And so Die goes, Man, you know what we're gonna do.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope it im. I'm sure it's gonna
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: be something that I'm not gonna I might may regret.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We're gonna wear fatigus to the home game. I'm like, yeah,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: why shouldn't we DA, We're gonna wear for tigus. Then
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: he goes, you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: put paint on like like military guys. I'm like, yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: why not, DA? So so then we had one guy
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: from a flight from Missouri. He goes, man, I'm gonna
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: rub it on my chest. I'm like, yeah, you should.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of sitting there watching him. He's rubbing it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like this. One guy just goes across the state with
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: some marta dude that and as I'm watching them, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I just kind of got into my eyes.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, the you do what? What?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: And then forgot that that rose on my face and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: he turned around, Oh look at Johnny Man, that's what
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. Look at him, but look in the mirror.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So I looked at him like all right, I'm with y'all.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: So I go in the game and I got like
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: three sacks. Man, I'm glad you got to do it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: You're talking about superstit. So me going, you know what,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: this right here got me three? What if I do
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: it all over my I should get four maybe five.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So I don't get four, don't get three, I'm going,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta do it again. So I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, what if I don't take
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a shower for about two days? Hm hmm, I'll try that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So no shower, Then what if I wear the same
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: clothes the whole week practice.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So I did that, and I'm like, it is.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: This work, this work.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: We were just like we would.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just I was just thinking of stuff.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just sitting you know what. I'm like, Hey, what was.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: The Wallace superstition? You guys came up with? What do
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: you think the Wallace one was?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the easy one.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Now on game day and there's Mike Tice is witnessed
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: this one day, so Random McDaniel, Hall of Famer. He
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: used to get the practice early. So Random was like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: my guy, I would do what he does so he
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: would get to he would get the games early. So
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: back then they put the programs in the chairs, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, some of these programs have bad juju, some
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: have good juju. I'm like the guys who have the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: most juju, the guys who don't do anything no offense
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to them, the kickers and the pawners. So I would
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: take the guys and just rub them all over me.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm rubbing all over me Random, I'm not paying attention.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Mike Tice walks in the locker room and he's witnessing me.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Just rub them all over to go, what are you doing, Mike?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: It got good juju? You want some of this good juju?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And he was so. That was one of my crazy
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: superstitions man.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And did it work?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: How long did you do this?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I did it every game? Man. I don't know like
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: any four five, just some dumb playing.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Most people.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: For those that don't know, if you've never been inside
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: the NFL locker room, each guy has his own superstition
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: or he has a way of how he gets raised.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, for a game, it might be socks or that,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: or some people don't warm up. Some people yes.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: We had guys who just come in off the street,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: put on a shirt, put on his shoulder pads.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I had to pull like water on my shoulder pad. Lose.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: We had one guy running around the locker room, go,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: nobody can block me and just run around like you
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: have to say, I'm weird dude running around.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Nobody didn't block me. Nobody. I'm like, okay, I'd respect
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: everybody doing their own thing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: We're all a little OCD on game day, I will.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I had my own OSD stuff off of OCD stuff
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: that I used to do, and mine.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Was I got to this.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I was one of the first players to go to
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: the stadium like I went over with the I went
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: over with the trainers and the doctors. Yes, I took
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: a shower, gotten a cold, gotten hot up. I had
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: a specific trainer take my ankles. I were contacts, so
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I had another specific trainer helped me with my contacts.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I waited for Langs to come over. We would go out.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: We would have to run.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Two hundred yards. Then I'll have to do certain drills.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: He would do certain drills. Then we would play a game,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: and then I'd go in. I'd ray, I'd warm up
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: a little bit, tell some myself my like, no one
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: can I can guard can't, no one stop me.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't, I can't. I can read it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Like I was that guy. I just didn't run around
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: the locker room telling everybody.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I did that.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: And then I would hold certain players hands when I prayed.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: I would it would have to be certain certain people
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: when I prayed. And then I would run out on
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: the field and then I would take the grass like
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in Gladiator. Yes, I would take it and I would
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: sniff it even on turf, like I would. I would
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: sniff it. Let's go, And that was then I was ready.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: That was like my routine.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I had another one, which was I didn't want nobody
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to touch me before the game, Like we had to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: go over out there shake hands, like I can't. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: can't shake your hand. You're trying to take my juju.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I just worked on me juju in there. Down, let
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: your hand. I'm like, I can't do it. So but
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: everybody wh team knew it. They go, man, Johnny on
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like the touch.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Don't say the.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Enemy. This dude could be my best friend over there.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't talking to him. Hey you Hey,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: what this game right now?
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: You the enemy.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You're trying to take what we want here, we're Vikings.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: They're coming to pillages from you. Do we take it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: from you? Ravaging pillage with Ragna Ragnaw Lockberg coming bro.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: It's a great show too, great show, Great show, Vikings,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: great show. I'm trying to think my I had a
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: little bit of a pregame like college, I had to
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: do like I had bands and I had to do
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: arms like that was like my things. I just wanted
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: to have arms gonna swollen. Had to in college. Then
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: got your league not so much. Then you kind of
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: have like these pregame rituals. But I think my biggest
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: thing was that I wanted to always rode the same
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: bus to the stadium. Whenever we drove bus is always
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: robust too, and then I had to listen to certain
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: music going into it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I usually like the coach on the defensive.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Side that threw the worst, the worst ball, because DB's
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: never get like a good solid just throwing it right
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to me. So I always wanted somebody to throw like
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: a terrible, terrible, terrible throws to me because then you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: you work on catching bad ball.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you better, It makes you better. Come on, yeah, yeah, because.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: DB's you got to get used to catching a back bone.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: So if you don't, you think it's just gonna be pretty,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: you never do it never goes to.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Go to receiver.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: It there we go. So that's why that was like
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: a thing for me. And I did my own little
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: drills and then I'd run. But yeah, it was not
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: as much as what you guys were into. I'm very
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: shocked there, da.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I mean for me office and Linan a different defense
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: line office and Linman. You know that they they act
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: off movement, they moving, but us we move off, we
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: react off movement.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we all we.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Sit there and do hand slaps and stuff and all
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: this stuff we work on get off. You know who's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: who's coming up of all the fastest. It's all about
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: just be high energy. You just look intense like you
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: know we our coach Turli, he wouldn't show you not
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: all the time reels of plays held go.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: We are like gazelles.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: We have to run and we have to pee you
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: while we were running, poop while we're running. We are
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: like alligating the crocodile. We gotta grab the quarterback and
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: spin him down because he's trying to throw the ball.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: So we are part of nature, but we're a different
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: part of nature, and we gotta remember that. You get zelles,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you're always running, always moving, never sitting. Steal I believed it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Man mal Rushmore. There's four You get four people. You
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: get four picks of people that have helped you become
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: the man you are today.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Who would those four people be?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, thereould be uh probably Dennis Green him
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a chance to really play the way I wanted to play.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: He knew it even before I knew it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Did Dinnis Green tell you that?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Well, No, he and through John Turlink, he did. John
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Thurlink was like, he goes, We're going to allow you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to be you. And I'm like, what do you mean?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: He goes, We're gonna let you be you. And that's
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: how we presented it. And practice, I tried to perfect
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: my game in practice. I went forward till tell me,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: if I can't do it in practice, I can't do
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it in the game. And so he allowed me to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: do that. So he, Dennis Green did that. My mom
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: who basically when I quit football in high school because
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I got tired of hitch hiking trying to trying to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: play football, and she set me down, go why do
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you want to quit? I said, I just want to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: hang out my friends. I'm tired of trying to catch
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a ride home. And so she took me over to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the junior how to watch those kids who were playing basketball.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: She goes, that's basically said, baby, that's what you want
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: to do. You have all the time in the world
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to do that. And so I went back to football.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: So my mom coach Green h and probably be Paul Wiggins,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: who kept me on the team my rookie year when
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: everybody else said, now you're you're I don't see anything.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Paul Wiggins, who was the head coach at Cleveland, the
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: head coach I think at Stanford. He was that guy.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And Paul was soft spoken even though he told me
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: hang on. He was the reason that I probably made
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the vikings and be those people. But man, I could
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: go on on my agent, who who is Who's actually
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: here because of another player, Eric Allen? Yeah he's Gary
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: is here to see Eric. And Gary helped me immensely
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: man from not just the football part of it, but
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: financial telling me, hey, you know, hey, you need this. Yes,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So those people for me and now my wife who
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I married and being retired, has really been the one
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: for me. Just my best friend, first time I can
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: talk to. She's not gonna hold back and that's what
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I appreciate. She's straightforward and for me.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Man, oh beautiful. Yeah, it's a good mountain. Thank you.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: That's a good mountain.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Rushmore. Thank you.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Hey man, that's that's it. You you off the hot seat.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I thank you. We can't thank you enough for just
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: helping us out and just really pouring in as Room
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: said it earlier, Master storyteller, you.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Are spectac tack it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That's well Thank you, guys. I've watched you guys, and
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing. Uh, when you guys are
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: doing this, man, you guys, you're not looking like you're
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: mad about you. You have smiles on your faces.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Well you make me laugh laugh, man, and I try
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: to bring enjoying to you.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, for real, Man, I appreciate it.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: John the first time hanging bro, you are awesome and
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: I stayed laugh from the whole time, and hopefully all
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: of our viewers and listeners out there, you guys enjoyed
• 51:15
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