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#1996 All Eyez on Me/Makaveli · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jip Pop Now. Potats. If you from the future,
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  Speaker 2: Hip hop is say this today.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get right into the business. What up, y'all?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode bonus episode of Hip Hop Now podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: at the same time. But as you know, when we
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  Speaker 2: do something special on this podcast, whether it's just me
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  Speaker 2: or somebody else coming along, as you can see, we
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  Speaker 2: throw up the OX signal. Okay, I was before I
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  Speaker 2: tell everybody what we're doing. If it as if they
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  Speaker 2: don't already know what's good man, they.
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  Speaker 3: Think good Man, think good Man. Thank you for having
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  Speaker 3: me man once again. Man, good to.
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  Speaker 1: Be here, no problem man.
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  Speaker 2: And so for those who are watching and listening. Twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six is thirty years since nineteen ninety six, and
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  Speaker 2: we've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: A million times over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: When you when somebody puts up that picture of all
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  Speaker 2: the hip hop albums that dropped in ninety six, it's
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  Speaker 2: crazy because it's a lot of albums that most people
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  Speaker 2: consider classics, a lot of albums. So what I thought
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  Speaker 2: of doing was, Okay, well, maybe I should re review
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  Speaker 2: some of these albums from nineteen ninety six. But then
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  Speaker 2: I started to think about it and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do all of them. I don't have that
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  Speaker 2: kind of time, So maybe I could pick twelve. So
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  Speaker 2: once a month you will get a special like this
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  Speaker 2: where we'll highlight an album from nineteen ninety six, talk
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  Speaker 2: about it reminisce, break down some of the things we
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  Speaker 2: like or even dislike about the albums, and how do
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  Speaker 2: these albums sound today.
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  Speaker 1: That's the most important part.
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  Speaker 2: So every month I'm going to have a guest with
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  Speaker 2: me to get another perspective.
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  Speaker 1: On the album.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I want you to go in the comments section
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  Speaker 2: and give your review not only of the time if
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  Speaker 2: you was outside or even the first time you heard it,
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  Speaker 2: even if you weren't around when it dropped, but also
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  Speaker 2: how you feel about the album today, So the first
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  Speaker 2: album in this series of twelve once a month, remember
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  Speaker 2: that we're gonna do a two for right, niggas got
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  Speaker 2: garbage down the well, Okay, that's what we're doing too,
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  Speaker 2: because this is probably the most important thing that happened
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  Speaker 2: amongst all the great things that happened in ninety six.
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  Speaker 2: Tupac's you coord and and I'm not gonna give you
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  Speaker 2: a detailed timeline. You're gonna put that in the comments section,
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  Speaker 2: you know if if I'm off, but I believe Tupac
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  Speaker 2: was released, if not early ninety six, definitely right before
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  Speaker 2: it signed to death Row, got right in the booth.
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  Speaker 2: We've all heard the story, started recording like crazy, working
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  Speaker 2: with all the death Row cats like crazy. Then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden we got the first of two offerings, right,
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  Speaker 2: but one dropped in February and the other one dropped
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  Speaker 2: in September. And in between all of that, all of
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  Speaker 2: the things, all them documentaries you watch, whether it's on YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: and movies and stuff like that. Keep in mind, this
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  Speaker 2: part of Tupac's career all happened in one year in
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  Speaker 2: ninety six. Before we even got to the end, he
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  Speaker 2: was already gone crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Two albums platinum.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's the first time in hip hop platinum
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  Speaker 2: within the first year.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know, in ninety eight, DMX came aboard and
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  Speaker 1: did it.
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  Speaker 2: I think what was special about what DMX did in
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight was the fact that he was a new
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  Speaker 2: artist who dropped two albums in nineteen ninety eight went platinum.
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  Speaker 2: But POC was first, and it was crazy, all of
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  Speaker 2: this in one year. So let's just start at the
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  Speaker 2: top with the first album. I Don't Know Why my
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  Speaker 2: Phone is spazin. First album is all Eyes on Me,
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  Speaker 2: was dropped in February February thirteenth, nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty seven songs.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, some of those might be scared tearing in two
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  Speaker 2: hours and twelve minutes long. Now for somebody out there
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  Speaker 2: who's used to these quick albums, you might be like, God, damn,
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  Speaker 2: what y'all was listening to that? Like we were into
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  Speaker 2: the double albums because we didn't get him that often,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So for POC, me Against
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  Speaker 2: the World was out, he went to jail.
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  Speaker 1: All of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He was in prison, right, okay, and he probably had
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  Speaker 2: some other stuff, so he figured him and Death Row figured, Yo,
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  Speaker 2: were just gonna drop a double album out the gate.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna come to you about this.
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  Speaker 2: When you first heard about a new Tupac album or
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  Speaker 2: eyes on Me on the way?
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  Speaker 1: Were you a POC fan, a big fan? Were you
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  Speaker 1: anticipating this album?
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  Speaker 2: What was Tupac for you prior to the release of
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  Speaker 2: all Eyes on Me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Man, I thought Tupac was good. You know, it's crazy,
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, Yo, that's Tupac. He was just within
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  Speaker 4: to me, the zeitgeist of hip hop. Like you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a super fan, and we'll get to that
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  Speaker 4: and a few, you know, but I always thought Tupac's
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  Speaker 4: music was good, like Brenda's Got a Baby.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Dear Mama.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he was just within the within the zeit guys,
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  Speaker 4: Doug life, he was just within the in the zeit guys.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, when all the drama was happening, it's
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  Speaker 4: just like, Yo, that's that's pop. And then you know
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  Speaker 4: when the when the word because no Internet y'all.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so when the word was getting no.
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  Speaker 4: Internet, and mind you you know, like yo, I was,
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  Speaker 4: I was fifteen when all of this was what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: So no Internet fifteen, but rumors and if you're like,
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  Speaker 4: if you you're in the hip hop culture and you
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  Speaker 4: love hip hop, like the word was getting around so
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  Speaker 4: and this is what I'm gonna need you to help.
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  Speaker 1: Me with Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: So when the word got out that he was dropping
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  Speaker 4: a double album, my take on it, I'm thinking back,
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  Speaker 4: was oh, well, I didn't know that that had been
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  Speaker 4: done before in hip hop.
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  Speaker 3: So that was one and then two again, it was.
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  Speaker 4: Just like, oh, yeah, well, you know it's pop, so
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  Speaker 4: you know he gotta yo, guys show out like yo,
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  Speaker 4: he dropping a double Like that's.
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  Speaker 3: How you feel, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, Like my initial thoughts regarding Tupac was like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: he made he made good music. You know, he was
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  Speaker 4: something that something to put on. Thought he was dope,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just thought it Tupac was good. Like
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  Speaker 4: now we'll say in comparison to like Nas or like
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  Speaker 4: what was going on with like Wu Tang Clan. Like
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  Speaker 4: I will say that Tupac to me, it was almost
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  Speaker 4: like he was a little old school but he was young,
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  Speaker 4: so it's like, yo, well he been around. So like
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  Speaker 4: I said, he was in the zeitgeis like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's that's prop right, you know. But it's like Me
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  Speaker 4: against the World, which was which was dope. But the
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  Speaker 4: idea of the double album that immediately struck me as okay,
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  Speaker 4: well that's different, you know, and that's kind of that.
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  Speaker 4: I know that wasn't the slang at the time, but
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  Speaker 4: that's extra, that's that's like a big deal, right, well,
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  Speaker 4: that that's how I saw it when I first heard about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if if there was a double album before this,
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  Speaker 2: I think the difference is it wasn't high profile. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a high profile artists like Tupac, like Tupac was
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  Speaker 2: super popular, and not not because because you're right, he
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  Speaker 2: was a part of the Zeigeys, but I think because
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  Speaker 2: Hit Him Out, Hit Him Up was already.
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  Speaker 1: Outy right, Okay, yeah, I believe. So.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was I was at Morgan when this drop
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  Speaker 2: and it was my second it was my freshman year,
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  Speaker 2: but my the second semester when it dropped.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard Hit Him Up, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was home in good old B Street in Brooklyn, and
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  Speaker 2: I remember asking the DJ, DJ Goldfinger, like you know
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  Speaker 2: what what, Like, what the fuck is that? So I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I heard hit him up then, but it
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  Speaker 2: was early, like there wasn't no video or nothing like that.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, like I'm not saying he recorded
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  Speaker 2: from jailor no shit like that. I'm just saying I
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  Speaker 2: remember hearing it before this album dropped. So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for all I know, it could have been January of
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six or something like that. But I felt
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  Speaker 2: like because Tupac with all the controversy, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: he got shot before, and like he just had a
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  Speaker 2: lot going on. And also he was a film star,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like his name was just
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  Speaker 2: higher profile than most, especially for the controversy. So I
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  Speaker 2: felt like if there was a double album before Park,
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  Speaker 2: I think only some people would know, right, Like, it
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  Speaker 2: got to be somebody like and this ain't a.
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  Speaker 1: Punch at them like a ball and m J what
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  Speaker 1: do you call it? MJG?
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like somebody might say they did it or too
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  Speaker 2: short did it or something like that. But I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: you know how this happens once somebody who's of a
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  Speaker 2: higher stature in their celebrity does it. It's almost as
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  Speaker 2: if people say it started with them, okay, and then
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  Speaker 2: also you know, it's a lot of controversy with all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff that was on here, you know what I'm saying, Like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into it, because there's plenty of it. But
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  Speaker 2: I know, for me, the first time I heard or
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  Speaker 2: I heard about this coming out, I wasn't the biggest
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  Speaker 2: Tupac fan anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I love I get around.
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  Speaker 2: I remember buying that single I love Brenda's Got a
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  Speaker 2: Baby Troublesome, like I mean, not troublesome.
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  Speaker 1: I forget the songs, but whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't a fan of Pac until I heard Me
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  Speaker 2: Against the World, because then I was like, okay, And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't even just him because I liked Pac. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like the way he stacked his vocals. It was
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  Speaker 2: annoying to me because it just sounds like tupacs get it.
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  Speaker 1: Rapping at the same time. And I found it so annoying.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought he had a voice anyway, like he
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  Speaker 2: didn't need to do that, or at least, you know,
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  Speaker 2: lower one of those voices so you could still stack
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  Speaker 2: it without it sounded like Tupacs rapping at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: So I always used to bother me. But when I
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  Speaker 2: heard a lot of the songs for me against the world.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I liked him, but then he went to
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  Speaker 2: jail and all of that. So it was almost as
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  Speaker 2: if the only way we were talking about Tupac is
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  Speaker 2: because he was speaking from jail and certain things he
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  Speaker 2: had to say and the whole robbery thing and.
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  Speaker 1: All of that.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, it was kind of like I messed
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  Speaker 2: with him, But I wasn't like this huge fan. But
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  Speaker 2: I was like, once he I'm like he outside and
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  Speaker 2: I saw that cover and I knew he was with
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  Speaker 2: Death Row. I was like, oh, his nigga about to
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  Speaker 2: start something like I got to hear it and the
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  Speaker 2: crazy part is.
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  Speaker 1: And we can we can kind of get into.
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  Speaker 2: The album while talking about the atmosphere of ninety six
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  Speaker 2: as far as music. But when I heard ambitions of
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  Speaker 2: a riding on the campus of Morgan State, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the album. There was a dude from Sacramento a
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Zoe like he was like the West
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  Speaker 2: Coast representative and right so and all the all the talk.
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  Speaker 1: Like he talked, he talked it and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: So he like, he know we from New York.
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  Speaker 2: He like, yo, you need this blah blah blah, and
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  Speaker 2: I remember he played that and I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: shit sound crazy right, Like it's like Tupac broke out
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  Speaker 2: of jail. Like it didn't sound like he made music.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like you thought he was in the box.
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  Speaker 2: But then he creep up from under the car somewhere
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  Speaker 2: like I won't deny. I'm like, oh yeah, Like so
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was dope and than the obviously the
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  Speaker 2: Redman joint with Method Man. I heard that and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, they got and he got like a real
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  Speaker 2: hip hop joint with Method Man and Redman, Like let
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  Speaker 2: me listen. So I when the album's out, you go
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  Speaker 2: pick it up, like what's the what's the story with
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  Speaker 2: you in that album?
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  Speaker 1: And when you finally listen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, so I gotta like you gave your your take,
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  Speaker 4: like being on Morgan campus and there's that that brother
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  Speaker 4: Zoe that was like yo, so like my block, like
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  Speaker 4: I come from a Tupac block. Let me put it
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  Speaker 4: that way, like like you know I mentioned earlier, like
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a super fan. I just you know, thought
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  Speaker 4: Tupac was Tupac, right, but there was brothers, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Shouts out to King, shouts out to
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  Speaker 4: tink like there was brothers hip hop heads devoted, like yo,
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  Speaker 4: everybody else is good, but Tupac is the best. That
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  Speaker 4: was like the energy and it's just like okay, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like that's how y'all feel.
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  Speaker 3: That's cool.
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  Speaker 4: But you know it would be this constant talk of yo,
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you like pop pop. So then when I
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: heard it or started listening to it, you know, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: was at my best friend's house rest in Peace to
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  Speaker 4: Jeff like he had the album first, and I just
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  Speaker 4: remember listening like, yo, this is this is different. It's dope.
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  Speaker 4: It it's crazy, and like it was punching through like
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  Speaker 4: he we I knew that Tupop Tupac was here, was
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  Speaker 4: here to play, like you said, I'm outside right like
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  Speaker 4: you know, anybody else was getting their stuff off and
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  Speaker 4: talk and rapping. I'm here now, Like that was my
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  Speaker 4: initial thought from from the album listening through to it,
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  Speaker 4: like you know again, like I was fifteen, so there
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of a lot of things, like you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had to just admit, like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: player things going on that I wasn't I wasn't ready
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  Speaker 4: for it yet, y'all, Like you know, I was getting
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  Speaker 4: put up on on game like it's this is more
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  Speaker 4: than just about some some rapping, like there's some some.
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  Speaker 3: Real player things going on. But like you said, like
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  Speaker 3: the method man got my mom made up, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was blown, like I was like yo, yo, he got
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: something with meth like oh, red Man on it too.
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  Speaker 1: Like yo.
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  Speaker 4: So the initial thought was this is crazy and that
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  Speaker 4: thought of yo were part kind of old school that
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  Speaker 4: was out the window, like by the time listening to this,
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  Speaker 4: like oh nah, like the like I'm I'm amongst my contemporaries,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like Yo, I'm I'm really that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, man, let me ask you this, but do
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  Speaker 2: you think like being your age, he came across as
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  Speaker 2: an old school guy because he kind of made his.
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  Speaker 1: Mark much earlier than this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Then he was kind of gone for minutes. So this
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  Speaker 2: Death road Ride was like fresh.
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  Speaker 4: Fresh that was like exactly, that's a whole new sound,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: whole new sound, whole new look like you said that
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  Speaker 4: out that album cover then with the chain that was
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  Speaker 4: not Me against the World, Did Mama Me against the World.
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  Speaker 3: It was dope and there was some you know, aggressive
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  Speaker 3: cuts on it.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say that that album was a little
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: more introspective, and I'll say introspective. I don't want to
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: say modest, because the braggadoc was on there too, but
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  Speaker 4: you could kind of tell like he was he was
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  Speaker 4: down this oh it's up, like it was up and
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  Speaker 4: the whole vibe of it, like thinking back on it
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  Speaker 4: now Vegas, Like Yo, you you ever see that skit
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  Speaker 4: with with with Mike Epps, like when he's talking about
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  Speaker 4: pot walking through Vegas, walking through the the casino.
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  Speaker 1: That strut the Jefferson.
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  Speaker 3: That's what this whole album sound like.
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  Speaker 4: That's the sound of his album, like Yo, up Up,
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  Speaker 4: I'm on ten and like yo, whoever want what? Like
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  Speaker 4: he rapped and approached the music like he was the best,
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  Speaker 4: Like yo, y'all shouldn't have y'all let me back out?
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  Speaker 4: Oh I say less like that was definitely say less
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  Speaker 4: energy man. So that's what I got from it again,
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  Speaker 4: like him doing something like you know, a big big
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  Speaker 4: Wu Tang fan.
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  Speaker 3: So him doing songs with.
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  Speaker 4: Method Man, and then later on, you know, he's got
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: to bring the pain joint, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Later on where.
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  Speaker 4: He's like he's basically interpolating.
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  Speaker 3: Method Man's hook.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, yo, he he in it like it's that
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  Speaker 4: like I said, that whole old school like he been
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: around since like juice and everything. Right, that was like
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  Speaker 4: what that was only what uh uh what four years ago?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like in the context of that, it feels like so
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: much time. I guess when you were you're that young.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, it all that went out the door.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He's like no, I was like, no contemporary.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: He's in with what is going on right now and
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: he has his own like sound and style, you know
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: That was just as dope as abody else.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: So that's what I you know, initially my initial thoughts
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: on how it how the album hit me.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That's what's that's what's so crazy to think about with
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: with this album and him coming back like like you
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: were saying, he came. It's almost as if Tupac grabbed
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the attention of hip hop like with this album and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: coming back, because typically when a dude get locked up
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and they not really releasing any you know, new material
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: or yo, I worked on this album before I went
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: to prison and he go and I think some of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that was me against the world because he was locked
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: up while them videos were dropping, so that helped. Ironically,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that had a lot of momentum for somebody who was
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: currently in prison. But I think it's the same thing
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: as the Great Adventures of Selick Rick, like how that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: timeline works with It's like, yeah, he was out, he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was around, but really at the time that that album
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: was really getting accolades, he was already getting ready to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: go in a box, if not already there, you know
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So his next couple of projects, he
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was clearly behind bars, whereas with Tupac between Me Against
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the World kind of keeping him in people's minds and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: hearts in some ways, right because songs like dead Mama's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: dropping and you know he in prison and then you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: find out that his mother was in prison and pregnant
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with him. Like it's a lot of poetic stuff going
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: on here with such an introspective artists. But like you said,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: if you've never watched Juice before, like I just said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Me against the World, you remember Bishop before that, Like
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I like Bishop, you know what I'm saying. One of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the friends blah blah blah, theygaint chased, he's tired of it. Well,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: he was the other Bishop when he came out of prison.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And that's almost not even a joke, because that's why
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: everybody kept saying, what all the distance, Like, yo, he
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: think he bishop like you know what I'm saying, he
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: believe in his character, But yeah, I thought it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I think also it's significant because.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Everything we know that happened in ninety six, Tupac was
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: able to come out and just jump right in the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: number one spot, Like you know what I'm saying, before
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: he was a part of the zeigeis this time he
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was on the main stage. Like no, you heard what
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Pock said. That's it's kind of what it was real
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: quick hit him up. Came out on June of nineteen
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: ninety six. So what I'm because I was trying to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: pin me being home versus being and be more. June
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: makes more sense because that would place me back in
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Brooklyn in order to hear the song you know, in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the what you call it? And then obviously later the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: video dropped. But let's talk about the album. I like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: how you said, like it was just a whole different sound.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And I think what people need to understand first and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: foremost from Tupac, he was born and raised for the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: most part in New York City, have a lot of
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: family in Jersey, went to the performing Arts school and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be more than was out mostly in the Oakland area.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: But you know, CALLI in general claimed that for the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: most part. But the influences is why this album to
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: me is so diverse. That because I think it's not
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: just and he was saying this also, but I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: some people will look at this as a West Coast album.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But Tupac really wasn't just the West Coast guy, he
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: said it. But you know, all of those influences kind
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of come across. You know what I'm saying, because we
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: heard some West Coast albums. If you heard Gen, you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: gotta turn on a switch if you're from the East Coast,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Like all right, this ain't this ain't booming back, This
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: ain't hey nah, this is straight you know what I'm saying.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: This even back then like ice cream, like right, it's like, yo, man,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: in retrospect, I can say this now. You know, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: probably wasn't mature enough to really articulated back then, But
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: after listening to it again, this sounds like an East
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Coast dude. But now I'm on the West Coast getting
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: money and I'm out here like you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Just said, like the Ice qbe opposite, like where ice
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Q went and worked with the Bomb Squad, which was
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: East Coast public enemy sound. Yeah, talk is like like
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: fully embracing the West and a lot of songs on
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: here obviously, but it's clear he's not completely a West
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Coast cat in his delivery and things like that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: He's unique.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like I think a lot of you
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: know what, as far as the themes of the album,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I wrote a few down you know, all eyes on Me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Has got the got the bravado. You know, got the bravado.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Uh. Competitive as far as in the hip hop space,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: like yo, I'm here to compete. Like I also think
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: like timely, you know, like Yo, I'm in I'm in
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: the moment.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Like that's why, like yo, you see me.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Rocking with like the East Coast dudes that I like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: like like Yo, I'm a I'm gonna do something with
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: meth and Redman and then later on in the album
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: like I'm gonna do something like No More Pain.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well I'm like, you know, using Methic Man's cook So
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: it's like Yo, I'm sitting back in the joint and
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I'm listening.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: It's like YoY I like like, Yo, damn Yo, I'll
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: rock with them, like so you could tell like yo,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: he he's definitely like hip hop, like it's it's in him.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: But like like I was saying, like, oh, like oh, y'all.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Gonna get me this bread and y'all gonna support me,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: and like, Yo, I got you, I got your back,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Like Yo, do you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: All right say say less? Like That's what I'm gonna do.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: So you got the provado the competition, you know.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: And of course I think with this album, just a
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: lot of game, man, just a lot of a lot
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: of game, you know.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that going back, I was like, what
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: is all these sexy songs on here? Like I don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: remember this, you know, I remember one or two, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like there's a lot.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: On this jo Yo all about you joint man?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Oh that classic for me. Soon as I heard it,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, now he talking about language.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm gonna say, I know Vegas, I know
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: what some of the some of the game on here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I know I know Vegas. It definitely
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: enjoyed that part of it, but.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Yo, all about you man, shouts out to my brother
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: tay Man, like, all about You got a special place
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: in my heart. Because again, like so after this dropped,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: this just like this became the zeitgeist. Now, so this
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: like impacted our slang. This impacted like some of how
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: we saw life. So with that all about You, when
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I would be outside with my people's, yo, man, it
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: was these two girls that used to just walk through
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the neighborhood all the time, and they'd be together all
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: And of course, like I said, were young. We ain't
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: got no game.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: You know, we're trying to We're trying to, you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: talk to him, cause you know, two girls we see.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: All the time, Hey, what's up?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And I'm pretty sure they looking at like yo, these
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: dirty thugs.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You're like, yo, I ain't like.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Hold on like yo, we quote unquote scaring ohs. Like
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I think we was maybe doing that a little bit.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: So I just remember my brother Tay just singing that hook,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: like he started singing that every time we would see
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: them at the while, like every place we go we
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: see the same. So I got a I got a
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: special place in my heart with all about you, man,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: That's what's crazy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It's so it's just it's a relatable song whether you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: were a musician or whatever, because even watching videos.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: It made sense to me, Like I seen her in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that video and.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the famous outro from Stupid.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was true. It was like did they right?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Like looking at the Million Man March, It's like yo
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: that and that's the second song, Like we got a
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: second song of a and then we get into all
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: about you like yo man.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: So a lot of a lot.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Of games, a lot of ism on on on this
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: on this album.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Just again that overall it alley vibe fun, you know
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: There was aggressive, you know, yeah, I think the aggressive
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: records on here was more so from a I want
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: to say, maybe like competitive like rapping like I don't
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I don't really feel like.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: All out going at somebody like he just more styling,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: you know, throwing it up and showing that yo I
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: can rhyme and I'm yo, I'm just as well. Really
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I'm the best. Like I think that was how he
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: felt that. It definitely sounded like that, but more of
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: a fun, a fun vibe on this, you know what
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I mean. Even with some of the aggressive records like
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: when We Ride, was definitely him getting it getting into
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: the bishop bag for sure, But it wasn't like, of course,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: with Gonna get too later on with mcavelly, but it
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: was I think the intro, like that's the first time
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I ever heard him refer to himself as mcavelly. He
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: says it on when we robbed plus macabelly. You know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: so he starts it. He starts to throw you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I guess foreshadowing and we're gonna get into some film stuff.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: He starts to throw those little teasers in it, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: one one other thing. As far as the timeliness, so again,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I think Pop sitting there, sitting in jail, or maybe
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: even when he came back home, listening to the people
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that he liked, like you could tell that he rocked
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: with Wu Tang because Wu Tang they had just with
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Ray Kwan the year prior.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: They just did all the alias stuff.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: You know, Riley Fingers and Let's diamonds tupac. Oh. Oh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: we we were doing that. I'm I'm with that too,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: like I'm gonna take it. I'm mcavelly like, oh yo,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: what's that? Like, I'm gonna take it a whole nother.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: A Lepard so timely, timely man oh and one other thing,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: big records, big, big records, like it just felt like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Yo, we I'm swinging.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I'm swinging for the fences like big records.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: It don't matter what's going on.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: I'm dropping this and the sound is they they sound
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: like big it's big records. Like nothing nothing to me
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: on this is modest, Like sure you got more laid
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: back songs, but no, all I was on me I
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: there's no modesty on it on this out.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: But y know what you what you think?
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I agree?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Man, I think to your point of you know, hearing
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: ambitions of a rider, you know, to start the album also, uh,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: not to skip it, but the first single being California Love,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And that's when he was talking directly to the East
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: versus West or typically Cali in New York, right, because I.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Ain't gonna lie.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And this is why Zoel had to come around with
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the album later, because when Tupac was like, you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: where we ride, not rally, where we wear Chuck's not Ballet's,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, first of all, you shown your age, so
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Bally's like Bally has been ain't going like that was
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the eighties man like ballot and you had.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: To be able to afford him.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But I didn't like it, not because somebody who's not
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: from here is saying it. It's because somebody who is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: from here. And to me, riot rally, what does it matter, mister?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You know black panthers, you know, kid like, it's both
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: fighting for the black folk. So I had a problem,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: my conscious part had a problem with him saying that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And because it was him, you know what I'm saying, like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't some.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Other ignorant dude who decided to speak on it. It
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: was Tupac, Like if anybody knows Tupac. So I didn't
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: like that part. But the beat was crazy, okay, like
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the funk. I'm into the punk. You get Roger Troutman
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: on there. I'm just like, that's that's what I love.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: That's why some people say, you know, oh, it's crazy
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: how you're from New York. You're like, oh, this West Coast.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not just the West Coast. EPMD was
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: my favorite group. You want to know why, because their
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: beats it's all funk, Like I love funk from the seventies,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and the fact that they were using that and EPMD
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: was using that and they rock with EPMD because of that,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: like it was a mutual thing. But when I, like
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you said, Big Records. In the first time I saw
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the video, the mad Max video, I was like this,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: this is crazy, Like this is crazy Tupac home, Like
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this is crazy Tupac, just like I'm home, doctor Dre.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Let's get it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of you know, for me,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of energy, and like you said,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: when I heard all about you, that felt to me
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: like a signal that, oh, Tupac's on death row, cause
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: this ain't no fun doggie dog world. It's all in
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that same pocket. And I liked it a lot. And
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: he had already, you know, obviously worked with them on
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the above the Rim soundtrack and clearly has some of
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the standouts on there like pain and Pour Out a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Little Liquor and all of that, so we already knew
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it would work. But this was just like, man, this
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Tupac sound good being on death Road, Like that's what
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it just sounded like. And like you said, like me
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Against the World was a whole different vibe. Even all
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: those albums was a whole different vibe. But this was
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: just this was just bigger. It was like Blockbusters, you
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: know what, I'm saying, like he did the indie movies,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: but now he got a Marvel movie coming out. Yeah yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like Star Wars.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: He does a song with Snoop, two of America's most
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: wanted Yo, you can't. I didn't even know how to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: dance to this. I might have been dancing like an
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: old man or something, or like a fake gang.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Ain't good thing. I just wanted to fight. I just
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I just loved this.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I love this record because it was perfect and even
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: in the video, like Tupac got all the swag, like
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: while the camera spinned around here like like Nigga, it's Tupac,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: The dude was just infectious, you know what I'm saying.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And there was just for context around this time, they
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: were some of my friends and Piggie's my favorite rapper
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Some of my friends was.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Not trying to hear anything from Tupac, and not all
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of them was from Brooklyn.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Or New York. It was just what who he talking about?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, I felt some of that also,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: but I don't deny good music. But I especially on
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the hip hop side, so I was like you man,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I was when I finally got my hands on this album,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: was going through it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Gonna just be real with y'all, like, I'm not a revision,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It's history. Do there are some skits for me. There's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: some stuff where I was just like, like I said,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: old man, I was like, yo, this is for the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: players with the with them pants on and the gators
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and the tackle meat silk shirt showings like you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: say stuff like let me get my old lady and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you back like them, you know what
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. And again, you know, even though I was
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: in college, I was I was young also, so there
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: was just a certain level of that I was willing
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to listen to from somebody who's in their twenties, right
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like White, Yes, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: But just that Derby.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: You know, back then, everybody with the Derby's wearing them
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: joints with the pat leather shoes on. You know what
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, slipping and sliding. So it's to me was
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it was fun. But real quick, let's let's talk about
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: because we have a whole another album to go to.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Nash Street Dreams and All Eyes on Me having the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: same exact beat and an album that dropped the same
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: year that we'll talk about in another episode. But the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: message fake thug, no love, you get the slugs see
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: before gust.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: O talking to Dre like there was it now?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: NAS album came out later in ninety six, but there
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: was a lot of references towards this album and Tupac.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the whole idea?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: And Tupac addressed it also just wait, yeah, yeah, you
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But what do you think about that?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Like even like, for example, the NAS and Dre song
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Nas is coming, where he was like, you know, niggas
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: still at beats and shit.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And blah blah blah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: There weren't no other similar beats on high profile artists' albums.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Besides the fact that.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: All Eyes on Me has the same exact beat as
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Street Dreams.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: What did you think about that when you heard about that?
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Yo, man, Again, I think it was maybe the maturity
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: with me. I didn't think it was that. I didn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: think it was that crazy, Like I just was like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: all right, I did. I didn't look into it that deep,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? I think it just might
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: have been my age, you know, I called it like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: oh yo, they got the.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Same Okay, they got.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: The same beat, but it was more like what do
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: we want to listen to today?
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Like or yo, we're gonna listen to both.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Like like that was I guess my circle. Again, I
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: had to the brothers Kenyon and Tank, and I don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: even remember them. You know, they probably would see this
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: and be like no, I don't remember even remember them
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: going in like that, Like it was just okay, they
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: both got the same the same sample. It felt like
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: with with with NAS, it it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Did feel like he was going for it with all
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: eyes on me.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: It just felt it just was aligned with all the
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: other big records, you know what I'm saying.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: But with NAS and.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Street Dreams, it felt like, okay that I'm competing, I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: comeing and.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: You know I can make big records too. But I didn't.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't see it as like it didn't strike me
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: as all Yo. He went in and I didn't get
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the ghost face shot bters, but I didn't get that, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: like he been off a.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Pot like I didn't.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't get that and that and again that might
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: have been my maturity. I might not have been thinking
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: about it that deep back then, but you know, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: like both the songs, you know, All Eyes on Me,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Low Rider, Ski Masks, Scream with Doug Life every time
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: we I like both of.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Them, right, you know.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: But when you think about what they did with the records,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and for people who don't know who you know, maybe
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you weren't around at the time and you're only looking
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at the dates. There was no Internet, but there there
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: were ways to kind of get ideas about how people
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: felt about Oh, I'm talking about the artists it felt
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: because it felt like Nas felt an obligation to address
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: it on it was written because remember All Eyes of
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Me dropped in February.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: It was written was July, you know what I'm saying.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: So it was almost like he wasn't making a disc record,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: but he was addressing the whatever, like that's what I
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: speculated on Like it must be something more than just
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: sane beat happen, you know what I'm saying for that
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: to be the case. But to O's point, there are
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: two very different records, Like Naza is kind of telling
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a story on his versions because it's street dreams and pop.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: He just in the groove, all lies on me.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Lived the life of a thug nigga like till the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: day I die, Like it's just all swags. So it's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: like they weren't you know what I'm saying separately, But
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I just remember again, we don't have the Internet, so
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: we all like piecemealing everything, and there were there was
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: always this thought of.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Damn, did pot take.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: That beat like nas is saying, or did Naas come
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: later and do this?
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, I remember it coming.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I remember that topic coming up in discussion, but I personally.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Didn't didn't look that deeper to it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: But I remember brothers thinking that there was some type
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: of but I didn't. I just didn't play into it.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And look, well, real quick, this is what people have
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to keep in mind. Just because it was written dropped
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: in July doesn't mean it wasn't already recorded a year
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: or a year or two before that. So it was
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: just a matter of what was released first versus what
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: was actually recorded first. Sometimes it just plays out like
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: that you're working on that album, especially back then, you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: might be working on the album two three years or
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: something like that and have that song in a can,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and you know, somebody say, send a beat tape to Tupac.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, yeah, that one.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You don't know. Maybe he didn't know, like you know
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah man, But.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: It's like you said, with that vibe of maybe nas
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: feeling like you gotta address it, like yeah from us
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: on the outside looking in, like yeah, maybe, Well when
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: we find out later on with Tupac, No you talk
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: you talking to me, okay, like I hear you loud
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: and clear, like, and that's what we get into with
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: the next album, right, But yeah, man, like tension, temperatures rising,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: tension was brewing, tension was brewing. But I think it was,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: like you said now recalling, I think it was hit
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: him up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: That's why I was when you said.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: It earlier, I was like, well, I thought that was
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: just before Macavelly.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: So now when you went and confirmed it was the.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Summer, Yeah, that was when the yo oh everybody got
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: something to say.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Here's my Yeah, we were definitely gonna get into that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: one because because of the timeline and the fact that
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: we're doing both albums and everything is so linked. So
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: in closing with all eyes on me, I give me
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: some of your favorite songs.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Whether you think this is a classic album. And how
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: do you think it sounds today?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Like if someone was listening to a for the first
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: time and they know all these things about all eyes
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: on me, what do you think they would get out
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of me?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, so it's crazy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: So the fifteen year old me, there's so much material
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: on this album. When I was fifteen, I did not
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: do no straight listen through this album. I just I
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: just gotta keep it one hundred. I didn't straight up
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: put this on and we listen to two We me
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and my homie Jeff did not sit there for two hours.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, I was just looking at that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: That that did not happen. That did not happen.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: What happened was the music was so good and within
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: our you know, within our lives and within the culture.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: I heard like all of these that on records with
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: maybe except for maybe like two or three, Like I
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: heard all of these records at some point given time,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Like I heard all of these records. So that to
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: me is a testament to how good it is now.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: All right, forty five year old a Canola, all right,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna put this album on two hours, like you know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: I need some time like I gotta be like doing something,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: a drive, cleaning the house, something got to be going
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: on for two hours. You mentioned it earlier that definitely
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: some skips ain't gonna lie. There's some skips. There are
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: some things on here that now I understand those players
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: joints now, I understand.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: But I'm married, man, so it's not applicable.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Applicable now well if I turn it on right now,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: but oh before being married and things like that. A
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: lot of game, you know that a for the for
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: the brothers listen to and the sisters too. You know,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: like a lot of game from from this album, you know, musically,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: the musicality again, I think that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: That holds mm hmmm.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: That holds like the production value elite, elite level.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: And I want to get into this when we talk
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: about mcavelly, like this whole uh perspective on Tupac's production,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: that that was all that was always a conversation, right,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: But yeah, forty five year old listening to this now, yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: the production still holds. I would just say, yeah, there's
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: definitely some some skips.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: On two hours.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It's like two I and twelve minutes.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: But despite all of that, Vegas, I do feel like
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: this is a classic yo, And I know that doesn't
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: follow the hip hop head definition of yo.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: No skips, it's got no you can't stay in a classic,
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: get you skipped the impact.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Of this album in the execution, I just think it's
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: it's supersedes some of that. And yeah, there are joints
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: on here, you in the in the move for and
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it's so much like so much color, you know, E
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: forty and then the big you know, big sight rest.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: In pieces, I got keys coming from over. It's just
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: so much color variety.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: As a hip hop head, you know, listening from that
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: perspective and just liking music, I definitely think it's a classic,
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Talking about ratings, you know, I say a four.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: On another day you talk to me, I might say
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: three point five, you know, but three point five to
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: four for sure for me personally.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: What what are some of your favorite tracks on here?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Pitching me rolling man, that's definitely one rolling them up.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: That's the grown man I could do. That's the one
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I could deal with. The sugar Daddy joints. It depends
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: some of them. I rock with some of them. I'm like, nah, man, like.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's something about YO them them them guitars
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: and the way like yo, the way he he coasting
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: on that, it just it is it's pitching me rolling
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: like it's really that Like so that just celebration, like
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: and you know you got I guess people talking bad
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: about you or whatever, but you just on your grind
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: and doing doing your thing. That's what you press play
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: on that picture be rolling, you know, uh, when we ride.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I definitely like when we ride, that's like more on
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: you know, the competitive you know posse cuts I mentioned
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: all about you got my mind made up?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: You know, those are like my favorite favorite tracks. I mean,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: you mentioned ambitioning of rider. You know, Shorty want to
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: be a thug. Can't see Me?
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: I actually thought, like, can't see me is like the recharge,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Like just when you thought, okay, like I had enough,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: can't see me just as like no, yo, we about
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: to go in for another.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Thirteen joints and it's like, you know what I'm here.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: For it like that just turns it back up again.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: So yeah, man, those are like some of my favorite
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: favorite joys.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Man, what about you?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: That was kind of the formula back then because of
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: cassette tapes, Like when somebody go flip that tape over
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to the B side, like that first song had to
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: pull them right back in, you know what I'm saying.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Which is interesting when you think about albums throughout the
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: years anyway, because it's the same thing with vinyl, right
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: you only getting with so much on that first side.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: You got to make an impression.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So the sequence in for each era of the media
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: had to adapt in a lot of ways, and probably
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the same thing for streaming, right, Like, there's probably a
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: thought process that probably I can't say there's a template
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: now because I feel like it's ever changing to come back,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you know, people just going and trying to grab stuff
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: or skimming through things. So maybe there's there's something to that,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: but you're right back then it was more so like
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: you know, we we want you to flip the tape
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and keep going. And you know what I'm saying, Uh,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes those records have to be that standouts for me.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I sat a couple of them ambitions as a writer.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: All about You Scandalous.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Is one of them.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: You know, cat Daddy let me put let me put
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the start on my pants on my slacks, so I
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: put the you know, the shoes on the slippery earls
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: and walk outside like I couldn't even describe why like it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I just was like, this is almost like like Prince
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: would have made it or something like you know what
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Rick James or somebody, so.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why I was into it, because
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I was a big Rick James and Prince fan. So
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I got my mom made up to two of America's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: most wanted same thing in California.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Love I Ain't Mad At You was a record that
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I thought was cool, but I forgot about it until
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the video dropped, and then I paid way more attention
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to it. It's probably the one song besides Ambitions of
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: a Rider that I actively play like I tell myself
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: like I feel like hearing that you know what I'm saying,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: and I know every bar I feel it like it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: just one of those great moments of.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: This is Tupac's strength.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Like anybody who's oh he was wild blah blah blah,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: listen to this, Listen to what he's saying. This is
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a sincere note to a friend. You know what I'm saying,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: like from a world maybe you maybe you don't know
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: aiden Ross maybe you don't. Maybe you ain't from that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: world and people like him, but this is why these
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: songs meet, these things to us pitching me Roland like
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: you said, and probably all eyes on me. But yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I also feel despite me skipping a couple of tracks
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: here and there, I feel like it's a classic for
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: all the things we mentioned, besides just the actual music.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: It's one of them joints. As soon as you hit play,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: if you were outside back then, regardless of the age,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: you know exactly where you were as since you hit
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff. So now, right before we go
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: to Macavelly, we got to make a stop and hit
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: him up.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Now, I've said this numerous times on my podcast. I
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: believe I wrote about it also, I think so. And
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: when I heard it, I had the timeline a little
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: screwed up. But hey, look man, two more years, I'm
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: gonna be fifty dog like relax. But I just remember
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. And I'm asking you like the
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: first time you heard it, But I remember like it
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: was yesterday. You know, I was religiously going to Beach
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Street to pick up music, see what's new, Just kind
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: of like it was my way of while I'm at
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: home reading the source magazine to go out and touch
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: the things I've you know, read about or learned about,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: whether it's buying it or whatever. But another beauty of
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: something like that was hearing records that weren't out like
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: before mixtapes really got heavy with Clue and all of
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: that early on, and you know, Clue was around during
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: this time, but this was a way to hear things
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: by just going there, you know, to buy music. And
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I remember the Load talking and it's this episode is
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: already labeled explicit, so you should have been got your
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: kids out here.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: But I remember the Load talking. I'm just shopping and
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, who the fuck is whisperend is no friends?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who the fuck? What?
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe the snaker testing something?
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I heard was that's why I fucked your bitch, you
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: fat motherfucker.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: What side I was like, is that Tupac? I was like, Yo,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: what is this?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: First off?
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Fucking bitch? And the click you clean west Side? We
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: equipped with game. You claim to be a player, but
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I fucked your wife. When I heard that, I was like, Nah,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, I gotta go after the DJ.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying. I was like, and this is before
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: we could just chalk it up and be like, oh
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: that shit is Ai Man, get out of here. That's
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a no, no no. Not back then DJ is like, oh.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Tupai just biggie before you even got to it, mom
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: d geno Ex, I was like, what the fuck? Like what?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: So you know it played out and then obviously we
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: heard it and I saw the video and all of that,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and I remember the conversations with my friends again. Some
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: of them was just really on on Tupac for dissing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: but the number one thing they would always say and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: rest in peace Prodigy.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: He was like, don't one of your niggas got sickle cells?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Something fucking around like the heart attack?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: And he was like what.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't know that at that point
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: in time, So that was that's what was crazy. I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: didn't even know.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, what, pro did you have sickle cell?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And why Tupac saying that like that and he not
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: even identifying. H don't give a fuck, don't want of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: you motherfucker's got sickle cell something. And just before we
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: go to ot like my review of hit him up,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: like I like the outlaws. But anytime I hit get
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: out the way, I'm like, nah, man, just get this
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: ship got out of here. I only want to hear
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: from Pac like now, I don't care what y'all say,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: y'all about to do. We don't know y'all who cares.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: But Pac was.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: He was big brotherren, little nigga ind like everybody like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: little Caesar, go ask your homie how I treat you?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Cut your young ass up, leave you in pieces? Little
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: can I snatch your ugly.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Ass off the streets, off the streets?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And that shit hurt her by the way she said that.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I was just like wow, And then the hook was hot.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I ain't on front as a Brooklyn dude loves Biggie.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Grab your glocks when you see Tupac. Call the cops
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: when you see Tupac. A playoff of Player's Anthem, which
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: was a hit at the time Ultimate disrecord. I Where
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: were you when you heard this? And what were your thoughts?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: I think I had to have been on on my
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: on my block and the brothers out outside was playing it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Like damn, like yo, it's it's it's on like yo.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: They bought it like like Yo, I just that was
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: my immediate thought, like.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Yo, I just knew. I knew Biggie was going to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: respond like this is me.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: When I first heard it, I was just like, oh, yo,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: I know Biggie's gonna respond. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: mob beat, but I don't know what they're gonna what
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: they're gonna say, like because this was this was crazy.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: And then like you said that whole thing, like Yo,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: one of y'all got sickle. It was like, Yo, this
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: dude is blacking out like he is.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Wilent like yo. But yeah, I had to been on
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: my on my block when I heard that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: And again it it just became a part of after
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: after it dropped, it just it just went in the rotation.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: But that's the crazy thing, like Yo, with my circle
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: of friends, like Yo, we did not It's not like
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: we wrote off everybody who he was talking about. We
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: was expecting responses, right, So I ain't gonna lie like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: as bad as it may seem.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: But this hip hop, we didn't know it was gonna
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: get the way that it was gonna get.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: But we was just kind of like popping our popcorn,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: like yo, oh yo, you heard what he said like yo, yo,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: it's about to get crazy, you know.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: But that was my.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Initial thoughts, man. But I did not have any like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: personal reservations like.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: Against I don't know, man, I just chalked it up
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: like it was a part of the game, like yo, yo,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: just going in he went like with some I.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Said, and now he just yo the whole East Coast.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I got problems.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Everybody over there that y'all that's popping, you know what
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: I got. I got problems with him, like That's how
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: I took it. And I just looked at it like,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: well that there's air and opportunity for anybody in there, respawn.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: This was not me being grown Vegas at all, Like
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: now I'm looking at it now, well god damn Like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: you said what he said about Little Kim's Like well damnyo,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Like that wasn't even true, bro like like but he
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't trying to hear none of that like it was.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: It was on so you know, and that just went
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: into the firestorm of okay, when and how and you know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: is it is it better? You know, that's that's when
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: it That's what it began. But I get to say,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: from my perspective, Yo, my circle friends, we did not
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: choose sides.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: We listened to. We listened to everybody in my circle friend.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: I think there there were some folks that was like, yeah,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: at the other side and blah blah blah.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I mean that next year when when Biggie dropped, we
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: was like, yo, put put that on, like boom boom boom.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: We was like, Yo, this is this is crazy too, Like.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: You know, so yeah, man, but that was my thought
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: when I heard it, like it was, it was crazy,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: and I just knew we was gonna get response.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: So when Biggie didn't respond, I was like, he said
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the slick stuff. He said the slick get it to pox,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, but Yo, this over.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Here by yelling your name outside, bro, like it's like.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: That's cool, and I guess you're on your player. But Yo,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: this dude outside like he want all smoke, you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: And I just I just thought, you know, he was
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: gonna get what he wanted lyrically, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, ain't none of them gonna go
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: for that, Like somebody gonna go go back at him.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Those are my initial thoughts.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just just for more context for people watching.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a Brooklyn Knight and at the time, again as
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: a Tupac fan. Even though I thought it was crazy,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I was not feeling that at all. And it wasn't
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: just because oh guess he coming at New York. It
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: was like, nah, it was just that I felt like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Tupac was one of us, you know what I'm saying. Still,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I never felt like, oh,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: who's this West Coast nigga. It was like, nah, that's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: MC New York over there, this and us, you know
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And then also I ain't know who
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: shot who, who set up who, so we were still
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: trying to figure that out part out, but I was
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I liked it because it's the same reason why I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: will always give jay Z props for the jay Z
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: nasty right. It's only but so many subliminals back and forth.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: We can hear it before somebody say, ass nas, he
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: don't want it. We'll hold like set it that I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: come from that set act. Now we ain't gonna keep
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: dancing a round though I don't like him, like how
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: about that? Like that's what we I know, that's where
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: we're from. Where it's just like, you know, the tension
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and then one of two things gonna happen. Somebody gonna
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: get stuffed or somebody gonna say something, and it's just on.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: So I looked at pac As and I look in retrospect.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I love the way he did it because he didn't
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: start out yelling and he was kind of talking to himself,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: and he was you could tell his shit.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I go there, you know what I'm saying. Motherfuckers didn't
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: one mean shit.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker, Like
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: he just I'm ready, nigga, I'm outside. So that's why
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I liked about it. But also to the ox point,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I expected. I remember the Gino exlhit was like, damn,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: what Gino dude? Like, I didn't know what that shit
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: came out of left field. I was like, what the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: fuck fuck Gino as HM And I was intrigued, like, damn,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: but what did he say? But Prodigy did us justice
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: a little bit later, you know, on an album that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: dropped the same year, in the fall of nineteen ninety six,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: on Hell on Earth, I had the whole New York
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: State aiming at your face, and it was just like finally,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: you know, somebody said something, but Tupac said it off.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: He said the thing that was kind of in the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: aird that everybody was kind of all dancing around. And
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: then we started hearing rumors of mccabelly, which well, the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: title of the album is the Don Caluminati, the Seven
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Day Theory. The artist is mcavelly. We all know it's Tupac,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: but it dropped in November fifth, on November fifth, nineteen
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: ninety six, which if you don't know, that was after
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Tupac had already passed away. But the rumors were there,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: and they just got heavier and heavier and crazier and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: crazier as you got to like, especially when Tupac got shot,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: especially when he passed. It was, you know, he was
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: and he was saying some of this stuff. Right wait
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: till my album dropped. Mcavelly to Dawn, I'm over here,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: you know, East Coast, a deaf East was a thing
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: that was kind of happening. It was, yeah, it was
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: like he was barking over there, and now he's like, man,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back to New York and bark and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: just real quick. We all know him, and we found
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: out later. But it's really big confirmed, RICI is that?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Him and Nas kind of you know, pieced it out
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: basically prior to this dropping, and Nas was aware of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: the things that were being said, but we ain't have
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: the internet, so me.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: And I can't know all that, and we were just
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: waiting to hear what's here, So I.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Mcavelly, Uh, well, we're just gonna add all of it
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: right well, let me ask you this right before, because
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it's tied to it. Where were you when you heard
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: and what were your thoughts when you heard Tupac got shot?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: And then also where were you when he passed away.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: I don't remember where I was when he got shot.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: I think I might was in the house I was
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: when he passed.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: I was on the I was on my I was
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: on the block. I wasn't on my block, but.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I was on my my homies block.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: We called it across Tracks, So I was over in
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: Park Heights when he passed away. But when he got shot,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but I do remember what I thought, like, Oh,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be good, Like I did not think he
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: was gonna pass I'm like, oh, yo, he got he
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: got shot. Before he'd be he'd be good. And then
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: when he passed, I was outside, I was on the block.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I remember that, and I remember telling my other friends
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: and my crew told me because we didn't have no internet.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: So it's crazy thinking it back on it now, I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: think I might have heard it on the radio.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: And then I told then I was telling my friends
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: like yo, like yo gone you know on on Ridgewood Avenue.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: Just it was.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: It was surreal, you know what I mean, Like I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: did not expect to hear that, and then you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: telling telling friends that didn't know, like, so it was.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: It was. It was crazy.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I That's what I remember.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, For me, it was the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: same thing that Now. The reason why I said when
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: he got shot is because when Tupai got shot, I
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: was in the club and the DJ stopped and I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: was in the club in b Moore and the DJ
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: stopped the music and was like, Tupac got shot again, y'all.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Now the DJ was from New York, so he had
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: some slick shit to say about him getting shot. Wow,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: like like on something you know off that hit him
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: up energy, Like you outside talking like that.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: We didn't know the details.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: We didn't know he snuffed a gang banger from the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: West Coast and you know, a drive by occurred.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: All he knew was that Tupac got shot.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: He was in the hospital, and for a second, me
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: and my friends was like, damn, cause you know, you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: think about people getting shot almost some people make it,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: some people don't. And I know for me personally, you know,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: I had friends that got shot and killed, and then
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I had my cousin like three years before that gets
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: shot and killed. So every time I heard, especially at
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: that time, every time I heard something like that, that's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: when my mind went first like damn, he's how many times?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: But then I remember, we remember what we were talking about.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, Tubacs, five shots couldn't stop me.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I took it in s mind like, oh, well he
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: gonna be good, yeah, which sounds crazy. And yes, we
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: were young because it's like, nah, you don't just go
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: getting shot because you could take him like this depends
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: on where you got hit and what else and blah
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: blah blah. So we were on that same time when
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: he died, though, I think I was like in a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: dorn not even our doing what's that in doing? Yeah,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: we were on campus and like we was in somebody's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: dorm and people were saying it. So we went and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: I guess like and I could be misremembering, but I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: just remember this part. We went like one of our
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: homegirls rooms, and it was right there on MTV saying
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: all of it, like confirming it. And that's when it
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: really hit because we were just sitting there like damn,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: like all of this back and forth and dope records
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: and disc records was exciting. But for it to end
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: like this, something was wrong, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I know, I definitely felt like something was wrong with
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: that equation because as much as you know somebody may
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: not like tupact the things he was saying, I didn't
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: think the brother deserved to die, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: That's how I was looking at it at the time, again,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: not having any real info. I just remember that stupid
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: ass interview with Shuvee night with the Gauze and the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: tape right here, and he's saying nothing, you know what
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like he's not really saying anything, but his
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: eyes and his body language was just saying, we on
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the streets people are going to die. Because that was
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the one thing I got from the way he was.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: He was sitting there like he wanted to say these
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: things but he cutting but he knew as an exact
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: he had to be there to speak about it. So
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: it was just really eerie and leading into the album
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: when it eventually dropped, one of the things that unfortunately
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: we most I don't know about you, I, but most
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: of us was thinking at first, do you remember bomb
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: first and how it has that? Well, of course you do,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: but it has that intro and it was like, listen
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: right here, yeah, shot me, it's right here.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: You listen enough, you're like, hell yeah, he just said
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: shug shot me. Now he might have said shoes shopping.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell that is. But I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: what did before? I two things? Your thoughts on that?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: But then also once you got the album.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: What did you think overall? Yeah?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Man, so.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: I think, well I would take this is It's like
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: with mcavelly, and that's what you know, That's what I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: call it, That's what the homies call it, that's what
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: we called I never heard anybody say yo, the dog
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Callumina mcavelly. Mcavelly. Nobody, We don't we don't. We don't
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: refer to that album. It's mcavelly, right, but I know
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: you you know you had to do your due diligence
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: because that is.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: The real title there. Yeah, seventh Theory seven like macavelly,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: that's what we know.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would say that was like the introduction
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: to like this cryptic, this really cryptic conversations and hip
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: hop around music. Yeah, Tupac like got on like Elvis
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: level at that point. So yeah, man, I'll give you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: another story, like it's like neighborhood stuff and.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace of my homie Cool at that time
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: when the album dropped, like we were.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: During that time in the culture in hip hop and Jakes,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, like we would have like conversation,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: would sit down and have the conversations about this this music,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: you know, about the music that we that we like.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: It's definitely different from now. I don't know what these
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: little dudes do.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know what.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Kay Sanat and Aiden Ross and I don't know what
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: I only know what they show in their streams, And
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: I just say it's definitely different from how we used
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: to engage with this music. Like again, my homie Cool,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: Like if I was sixteen at the time. He had
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: to have been like twelve, and like, yeah, I'll never forget,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: like this is some neighborhood stuff we would not We
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have been in We should have been in.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: The house somewhere. This was real, real late night.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: We should have been in the house, but we was outside,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: you know. And I'll never forget like him sitting down
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: next to me and wanting to have like a shown
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: enough conversation about Tupac this album, and like, yo, you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: think he's still alive. Like yo, we was having like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: a shown up, legitimate powow on Rice's Town Road at
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: probably about like two in the morning, you know. Like
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: but like that's how much this album and his music
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: was within our culture and the impacted us.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: And we would have these conversations. This wasn't like.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: Throwaway disposable stuff, you know. And that's why I say,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: that's the difference. You know, That's why you know, I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: ain't throwing those shots, but I'm just saying that's the difference.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Like your aiden's and.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: Your your guys, like they engage with this music in
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: this car, it's not it's not the same.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: So allow me a moment to get on my old man, like, Yo,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: it's it's different. It's just it's different, you know.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: So anyway, man, that's what I remember about the album
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: during that time when it had dropped, Like that's when
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: the cryptic stuff and like.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: We would have conversations about it.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Now as far as like the music, I just.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Yo, man, Like even at sixteen, I was gonna say, like, yo,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: this was probably.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: My most rotated TUPAC album. It was mcavelly. This album
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: stayed and wrote, it stayed in rotation from beginning to end.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: That album stayed in rotation, like you got those zeitgeist
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: like all I was on me was one of those too,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: but this album and it wasn't.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: And I know people will have that argument, well.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: Y else because he passed away, and because of that,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: I I don't think so. I don't feel that way.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: I think the music was that good that that's why
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: it stayed in my rotation. Now, yes there's the cryptic things,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: Yes there's the things that make you wonder, but I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: think that his execution the high level, and to me,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: this album was more chiseled, you know, more focused, and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: it was like you know, it was right up my
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: alley that's why it stayed in the rotation the way
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: that it did for me.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Twelve songs, fifty nine minutes, exactly like you said, focused,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: whereas All Eyes on Me had a lot of dope
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: joints and it had a certain vibe to it.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: With Tupac returning. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: It felt like it was a good album obviously, but
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: if we could, we were shortened to the best of
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Mcavelly was exactly that.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: But it was coming off the heels of a hot
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: summer in nineteen ninety six, and Tupac had directs and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: strays for everybody in the game, starting with bomb first right,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: which is called my second Reply, which is just crazy.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: And like you said, there were so many things about
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: this album, and again also coming off the fact that,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: you know, when Tupac passed, we got the I Ain't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Mad at Your video with Tupac in Heaven with Marvin
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Gaye and all these other people. So it was airy
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: from that sense because he had just passed and you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: get this video. Now you have this album, and just
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: like your homie, everybody's thinking, like al he said, Shug
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: shot me at the beginning, and all these Easter eggs,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: and then you know, we want to talk about this
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: one by itself. You get to the last track, which
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I think is a way better disc record, then hit
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: him up, which is against all odds, naming people who
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: were like, that's not a Haitian Jack, that's some kind
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: of Haitian rapper.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Who's that? You know what I'm saying? Jimmy, who's Jimmy?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Walker? Who was Tupac talking about?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: We didn't have internet AI white folk documentaries to tell
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: us all the things about the situation. And when he
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: said this, he was talking about this and this who
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: that person was. Tupac was doing something and in a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: very different way that fifty later on went to do
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: and wasn't even a disrespectful track. He just mentioned the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: wrong names on record. But to your point, when his
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Joint was coming out and when I saw the album cover,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: there was this there was just this whole mystique around
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: this project in Tupacet who mcavelly was in real life,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: and it's like, well, wait a minute, this nigga fact
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: is that, like it was just so much going on
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: that made it all interested, made you hang on every
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: little word he said and what's crazy is to live
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: in die La actually has a video, which is also
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: crazy considering you know what I'm saying. He wasn't really
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: around for the release of this album, and it's a
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: pretty dope video. It was just Tupac like, man, I'm
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: just walking the mall and kids going to mall me
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm a rap and that's that. But I just
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: remember when this album finally came out and I heard
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Hell Mary, I was like, I didn't have the words
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: back then to describe what Tupac was doing. This was
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: almost like Scarface levels of mortality, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: It was like Tupac came back again, but this time
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: he had a shotgun and a lantern and shit, and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: he just like, come with me, Hell married nigga, run quick.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was dope.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong again like the Outlaws, but
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: any time them niggas jump on it, make the man
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: get off this record, Man, get the other record where
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Tupac lets you start?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Because he pulled me in pause with this record.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Instantly, I was like, this is why he's special, Like
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: like listen to this, like we heard that be what
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: made him rate that?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: That's the difference. That's an artist, right. Some dudes are
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: pro things because they're them. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: You know, twin glots blah blah blah nah. Tupac was like, oh,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: this sounds like I'm collecting bodies for the graveyard, Like
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like this sounded different even
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the way he was using his voice. Remember earlier I said, like,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: not liking the double up tupockets, not this one. He
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: was all based in the mic, like, yo, come with me, Like,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: so I really liked it, but like you said, I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: clearly like it better than All Eyes on Me. Clearly
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: like it better for a lot of the reasons you
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: mentioned when you heard lead singles like hail Mary eventually
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: tossed it up because I forgot he had a video
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: for that also.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: And no no longer Gay Day Dre Day Reaper Dirt, Like,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: what the hell?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: What did you think about this? That was crazy him
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: dissing Doctor Dre.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: I was I was shocked at that again, like I'm
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: not picking those sides, like, yo, I still like Doctor
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Dre like you know, but it was like the music,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: the song was so good. The music was so good.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: It's like, damn, you got a problem with him too,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: like like Yo, what do you do? But you don't
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: toss it up like yo you still Yeah, but I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: was I was shocked to hear that, like damn, like
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: you just you just doctor Dre like anything was cool.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: But again I just looked at it as like Tupac
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: being Tupac. You know, I can use the language now
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: because we in twenty twenty six, but it's like.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, let me throw this in there real quick
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: as you answer, uh, because I wasn't thinking about it.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: But we got to keep in mind by this time,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: he had already worked with nas in the firm and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: on Naz's come and remember Dre was like all this
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: East Coast, West Coast bulls, let's get to this music.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: So Tupac was definitely ticked off at that because it
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: looked like, well he said it, he switched side.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't put that put those two together. That's true.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: That's true. It was still it's just like, Damn, I
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: don't even want you over there, like yo, you went
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: over that got yo? You with them? I'm bombing on you.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Too, like right, and he had left Death Row by
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: that time, so that it was some of that.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: But I was just trying to draw the contrasts of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: we we're listening to California Love and you hear all
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: this dre shout out from Tupac and then now we like,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: no longer Dre day, I don't.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: Like it, yeah, and then like now, you know, in retrospect,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: you think back, you you know, I think Sugar Night
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: probably did not was not against mincing any words like
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: oh you want to go right ahead, like like I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: think there probably was, you know, some encouragement.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: They're like, yo, go it is what it is, you know.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I like I liked the song and I
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: wasn't gonna stop liking doctor Dre. So it's just again
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: it's just like yo, he going off again.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: It's like you just like you just let him go off.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't look at toss it toss it up
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: the way that.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: I looked at, uh, against all odds, toss it up,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: but was still fun. Aaron Hall, you know, Casey and Jojo.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: You know, even though Pop he the energy turned up
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: at the end like he's still rotten, but it still.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Was like a fun song.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: But this album was just more militant, even on the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: on the Party, the Party record, like yo, yeah, militant,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: aggressive and just on on on wartime, and then you
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: get those couple of pockets in between where you know,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: I'll slow it down just a little bit because I'm
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: just saying what's on my mind for this particular song.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: But it's still all fit so.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: And that's why I wanted to get around as far
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: as like production, because they always used to be like
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: this discussion around with y'all your beats.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: I don't really like your beats like that, like what's
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: up with his beats?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: And I remember again shouts out to my people's Jeff
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: rest of Pees.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: We talked about that. We had a show enough sit
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: down and he was even saying like, hey, your people
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: be talking about twupop beats, but like, yo, they just
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: they different. They not gonna be the same as like
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: Buckshot and nas in them. Like he got a different approach.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: And at the time, we don't know better, We don't know.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: Exactly what it is. We just like it's different. But
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: now being grown, I know what it is.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: He there was a more of a musicality to his beats,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: like live instrumentation with the beats, so they were more
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: fluent and built up, and you know, it wasn't like
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: there was samples there too, and the hip that hip
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: hop boom back part of it was there in a
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: different way, but it was way more musicality that I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: think influence is like what we see some of what today,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: like you mentioned earlier, like a gn X, Like this
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: is direct influence to something like GNX. You know. So yeah, man,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: so I just wanted to say that around his beats,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: around that conversation and as always this conversation around him
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: being lyrical or not or like, yo, could he really
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: rap like that?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yo, man, I think we confused.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: Like yes, he had his style, and his style was
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: to get you to feel the music like this theatric,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: I want you to feel it, but yo, could he
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: get at pockets?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: Like in my opinion, me and my girlfriend.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Is the direct response to I gave you power, and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: it's like, yes, I got words for nas and I
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: can get on my battle, but no on my hip hop,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Like oh, I see what you're doing. All right, that's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: what we I'm gonna go do this with me and my.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 8: Girlfriend and it's like, yo, that this is this is crazy,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 8: like it is a direct you kind of know, like
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 8: with your NASA this, but yo, this he's talking about.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: This is this woman forty five but she's still live,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: Like hold on again, I was just gonna go ahead
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: and take that back or just get you to come
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: over here.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: And that's MCing to me move the crowd. So this
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: whole thing is I guess people want to revise, and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: I get it. Some people don't look at Tupac that way.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: I got it. I get it, But come on, yo,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: like it. It was there.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: Those things were there as far as technique and then well,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I guess we'll say the best for last like that
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: against all odds.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably he says, the realistic he ever wrote.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: That's probably top five Tupac song definitely, if not number one,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, top five, definitely in the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: top five. I guess on the hip hop hippity hop
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: hop right rabbity rapping could be number one, you know,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: but like within his catalog top five songs, it definitely
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: got going in you know, Larry Holmes flabby and sick
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: like yo, he was yep, he was dubbing.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Out on it.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: So those are just like my thoughts music musicality wise
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: for mcavelly. Overall vibe wartime, I think it's quintessential Tupac,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Like you want, you want, Tupac, You're gonna get all
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: of it in this this album right.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: And bittersweet for.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: Sure because you mentioned it earlier, like damn, like yo,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: we got all of this, the delivery sharp you want
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: it like it even looks or appears like we got
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: things to look forward to in the future or where
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: you want to go, and it's and it's gone because
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: of you know, the lifestyle that came with you know
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: how he was approaching this this music.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting because I know like songs. Well,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: for one, let's just say this. The other thing with
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dre was Black Streets No Diggity was the original
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: beat for Toss It Up, and I Black Street wound
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: up dropping with Dre rapping on it.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: By the way, No Diggity, which is.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: A crazy beat, infuriated Tupac, so he dropped this beat
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: that has the same vibe.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: With singers on it.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: But Tupac is letting it be known there will be
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: no subliminals on this record, I'm taking a direct shot
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: at Tupac. I mean doctor Dre so they were you know,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: there was that then there, you know, like you said,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: with me and my girlfriend.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Most people that I know thought, oh, he's just gonna
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: bite off or now, like not a couple of months ago,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Na just did this. I Gave You Power was like
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: the one song that everybody was talking about, and now
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Tupac's doing this. But me being the aries, I'm like,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: what's going on here? Because all eyes on me, same beat,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: street dreams.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Then I hear I give you Power.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Then Tupac spend the block and come back with me
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and my girlfriend. I don't think it was a matter
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: of biting, like I said. I think it was a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: matter of I got your chain, what you're gonna do
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: about it? And I'm not gonna sound like I can't
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: do this, you know what I'm saying, Like I could,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: I could rap too, I could flip it on something
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: else also, and the whole lyrical thing, I think to
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: your point because I used to say that also, but
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I think it was just about the definition and really
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: it's more about we could use the songs.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Right, I gave you power.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: It's a lot more about technique than it is about
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: pure feeling with the gun. It's more Nas is really
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: intricate in explaining the life of this gun, and you know,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: and tying that to something relatable like a human being, right,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: and the feelings of the gun. Whereas Tupac is doing
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: the same thing. But it's like I'm taking my girlfriend
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: with me and that's how she and sometimes she'd be
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: yelling at niggas a couple of times, you know what
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: So it was almost in any other.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Situation where there wasn't somewhat of a beef there, it
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: would be looked at as inspiration. And you know, Nads
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, especially knowing this personality, would commend it
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: because it's almost like an extension of that idea. The
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: thing what I gave you power, right, straight, bullet by
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: organized confusion existed before I gave you power, and that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: was ill to me. Like they're describing a bullet traveling
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: in the air, it's people in hitting things, or I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: gave you power.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Whether Na's heard it or not, that was the first
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: thing I thought when I heard I gave you power.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is like like organized Confusion joint. Okay.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: So, and you know, again, when we say these things,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, we just had different hip hop
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: discussions where the heads right, the heads are like, do
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: you even know who organized Confusion is? Like, you know
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is one of even me saying the name,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: even if I never heard of it. If I said
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: organized Confusion, he would be like, oh, those would be
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: the niggas to do it, Like you know what I'm saying,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: he would know. So I think in a lot of ways,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of conversation around it, but you know,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Tupac was throwing in all these you know, these joints
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: and these East eggs and stuff like that, and even
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: songs like white Man's World mm hmm. Where I was
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: it felt like me against the world. Tupac is back,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Even yeah, right, only years ago,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: thirty years ago, Tupac the only one like, hey, y'all
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: forgot this bill.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: This bill been sitting here. We're supposed to get these reparations.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Like, really, when you think about it as
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: an album, it's it has a It has a lot
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: of the same things going on for it that were
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: in all eyes on me, but just condensed, you know
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, except for the you know, the direct shots.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: But let's just get to the elephant in the room
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: real quick. Okay, the album is coming to it.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: And I heard about Against All Odds before I actually
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: heard it, Like I heard niggas like, so I'm patiently
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: going through bomb first and held Mary.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he got Tupac got some heat at the
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: end of this. Let me just listen.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: When I heard Against All Odds again, this was another
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: hell Mary moment. When he said this is the realest
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: shit I ever wrote, I felt that, like as an
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: MC at the time, I felt that like Tupac about
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: to say some shit and it ain't just ride on
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: my enemies and Hennessy and all that. He about to
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: say something. And like we said earlier, I didn't know.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I knew of something. I knew of Haitian Jack, but
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't know all the intricacies and I didn't know
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: what people were doing. I was kind of Tupac was
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: kind of the god, I'm like, whatnot say, little nigga
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: name Na Stinky, Like when he was saying all that
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what what happened?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying? Like chay Zai, Like
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, what what's going on?
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: But I think again for me hearing this record in
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: all of these shots at rappers throughout that album, but
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until he started naming the street dudes. And
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: when Tupac said, you said you can't go to war
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: unless you got your money right, Well I got my
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: money right, And I was like, what is he talking about?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: So I when you first heard Against All Odds? Did
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: did you know everything that was happening in the song
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: that Tupac was talking about?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. I just thought that I thought that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: the dudes he was mentioned, did think that they were
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: street dudes? I didn't. I didn't think they were rappers.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: But I thought.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: That now this has gotten more. But by that time
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: he had passed away. But this you're now, this is
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: spilling into something. It's spilling into something else now like
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: the rapping and you know, being competitive, that was one thing,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: but like, yo, you're starting to mention these these other names,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: like I like, I think you mentioned it earlier, Like Yo,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: I never heard of this guy is a is a rapper,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: you know. So it was at that point, I'm like, okay,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: Like he he mentioned it, like he talked me getting
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: in like street legitimate street stuff, and he's still he's
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: still bombing, Like he's still bombing.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: I you know, at that point.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: He was already passed, you know, so I think it
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: hearing that, it was like, well, you know, any of
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: them got something to do with him pass it like
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: It just added more to the to the mystique.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: And again just a lot going on, a lot going on,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: you know, and again bittersweet because the song is crazy,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: but it definitely goes to show.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: You like.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: He had a lot going on, a lot on that
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: brother's mind. He was getting jammed up and a lot
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: of things that didn't have it wasn't music. It probably
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: the music is what connected him to those things. And
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: because of hip hop, we've got this, you know, it's
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: innate connection to the street. Like it's just the good,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: the bad, and the ugly about hip hop, Like it
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: has a connection to the street. And unfortunately, yeah, that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: man you know, felt that strongly about it.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm gonna bring it.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna express myself and and bring it on
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: the record too, but it's like, yeah, you're going out
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: a whole nother another path, like you know, we might
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: not need it to go there, but he's expressing himself.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: And then again by that point, he was gone anyway.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: By that point, yeah, you.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: And that's that's so crazy to me because I remember
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: listening to that song for the first time and it
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: was like a switch went off of my brain, Like
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: you know, I've been listening. I'm listening to him this
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: producers and rappers and like the whole album, and I'm
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm listening for some of that because
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: he keep giving it to us. So I'm like, well
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: what that means?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Who's that? Blah blah?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: But like you said, then all of a sudden, that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: song get much darker and I'm like, oh wait, who
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: are these guys?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. Yeah, he talk about snitches and
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: But for those like who are watching whether and again,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: whether you were old enough but you wasn't into this
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: music or into hip hop around that time, or you know,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: you weren't even born one thing that and even if
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: you were outside one thing, people got to keep in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: mind because it feels like after Tupac died and after
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: this album came out and all the theories about him
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: being alive and who who might have killed him and
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: The Quad Studio shooting and the fact that.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Pac made a lot of people East Coast to believe
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: that Bad Boy Biggie and Puff specifically had something to
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: do with him getting shot.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: It felt like that carried forward after Pak's death.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: That scenario. The Vibe articles also did that damage. But
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: his Tupac on this record set me up, wetting me
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: up but couldn't shut me up. But he not talking
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: to them, Yeah, he talking to Jimmy Henchman.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we and most of us didn't know who
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: So it was kind of unfortunate because it was almost
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: as if we were more comfortable going with the people
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: we knew because of the celebrity than Tupac telling you
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: in this record, this is who set me up, you know,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: and this is who did this.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: So it again something else to.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: Your point, I mean to cut you off, M I
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: notice about this this latest listen and preparing for our
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: talk today.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: I noticed, and you let me know what you think.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: But it felt to me that.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: He didn't even go at to me, didn't go at
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: Biggie as much on this. He leaned in the puff
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: and the diddy, but he didn't.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: If there was no.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: Calling out his his name, I think maybe Balfrod. I
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: gotta go back and listen, but definitely not on against
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: all odds right, he had air and opportunity, but no,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: he focused, like we said, he focused on the specific people.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: So he also said it's not about east and west.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: But somehow how that carried over even though Tupac just
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: said it, yeah.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, yeah right in the beginning.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: What so with this album again, twelve songs, fifty nine minutes,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: you know, some memorable tracks. Tupac is on ten before
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: that was the saying he was on ten at the
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: start of nineteen ninety six, Like as soon as he
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: got in there, it's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, damn,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: what are some of your favorite songs off of this album?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: And you know, considering when it dropped, how it just
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: stayed in your rotation? What was it like going back
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: and listening to it.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it definitely the teenage the teenager. It definitely
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: brought brought that back. Both of the both albums Life
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: of an Outlaw, I think that's like, my it's crazy.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: I just was talking about against owe so much. But
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: I just as like as a.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: Teenager at that time, that chorus and that energy.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: You know, this life we live as thugs. Everybody messing
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: with us. So can't you see it's hard to be
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: a man riding with my guns and had like that.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know that, like spoke to my soul during
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: that during that time, Like so.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 9: Life of Our Outlaw was one of my favorites, me
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: and my girlfriend. And again like yo, I honestly think
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 9: that was an answer to I gave you power. I
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: don't know if he would have made that if he
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 9: didn't feel some type of competitives competing with I don't
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 9: know if he would it did that, who knows, right
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 9: against all odds, we we chopped it up on that
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 9: for sure. And to live and die in l a
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: man like when I visited La for the first time
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 9: as a grown man.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That it was.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: It was that song, like.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, man, you you the weather, you know,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: just the vibe, the views.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: I understand where that song came from. For sure.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: It sounds like it looks like it feels like what
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: that song sounds like, you know, So those are like
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: my standouts. But yeah, I mean quite frankly, the album
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: to me, it's.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: A five out of five.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: Like there's no skips, Like to me, I could I
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: could maybe skip, just like Daddy maybe, you know, but
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: like if I'm cleaning up or something, I let it.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: I let it play.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: I think this is like a five out of five
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: and what's crazy? And I'm gonna throw it over to you, Vegas.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: It was crazy and preparing for this and you know,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: I got the Wikipedia, so I know the titles of
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: the songs and all.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: That, and and the production and knowing who produced what.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: I noticed where there's you know, always a section about
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: the reception. And this was the first time ever I
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: paid attention to any reviews regarding the album. So I
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: read and people like a two out of five for
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: some of the reviews, and you know.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: This CD was just not good. I was just like, yo, yeah, nah,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: sixteen Yo, I don't know none of what y'all talking about.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: Nobody around me knew any.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: Of that because this was heavy heavy and be more
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: heavy rotation cars ridden by heavy heavy.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. To even think about. I don't I
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: don't remember, like I don't remember what the source gave it.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: I don't remember anybody saying too yo' that's just disrespectful,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: But it's just now. I remember maybe reviews where.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: It's they felt like it seemed like a collection of
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: songs as opposed to a complete concept of an album.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: But around that time, you know, postumous albums were typically
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: like that, right, like if somebody passed. Not that many
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: rappers passed away, but it was like, you know what
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: we got left kind.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Of feeling this was weird, No, not at all.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: And then also we know what happened when this drought
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: we got mc mcavelly two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Macabelly returns. But we realized Supac had way more music
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: in the tuck than just this. But I agree, I
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: feel like I like albums like this. I like twelve
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: songs one hour. Mission statement. His mission statement was one thing.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: It was almost as like after a summer in ninety
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: six of some East Coast dudes punching back and maybe
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: a couple of publications not really wanting to deal with
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: him because feeling like violence was following him and what
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: could happen and blah blah blah, And this was kind
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: of like a diary type joint, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna just do these other joints, but standouts
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: for me, you know, Hail Mary to Live and Die
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: in LA was just like you are real quick and
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: if you're still watching, we appreciate you. But I'll tag
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: a video at the end. When I visited the TUPAC
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: exhibit in LA and which was excellent, like even from
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: down to the section that had his like rhyms, and
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't all songs we knew, it was like concepts,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Like you could see his brain working if you looked
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: at enough of those books. But the entire time I
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: was dead, I was only playing park and it was
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: all eyes on me and mcavelly. And I don't know
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: why I didn't plan that shit, but like you said it,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: and I think it was ironic because I didn't know
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: that exhibit was.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: Going to be across the street from the hotel.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: It was just as I was rolling up, you know,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it at first, but in the morning
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: I went outside for coffee, and I was like, oh,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: it's a mcavelly exhibit, but I was already it's my
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: first time in LA, so I'm thinking of every West
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: Coast album and song and artists that I love, and
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm head. But the Tupac just kind
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: of took over. Excuse me, especially because of the exhibit,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: but what else me and my girlfriend and obviously against
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: all odds, dope show men nineteen ninety six Tupac, You'll
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: never see that ever again.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: Never thirty years, yo, and thirty years I mean that?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: How that.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: What a time to be alive? Man?
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Like you know that.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I was getting at earlier.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: Man, you know these streamers and these dudes man like yo, y'all,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: I mean you know how your fun. But yeah, the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: way we engage with this and how it was going
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: down and like it is just different. It's just different.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: And like you said, I don't think it happens. It
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: don't happen again. It don't happen again like this.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: That was just it was just too unique of a
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: situation because again, I'm going to be doing this every
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: month with another guest talking about it. Album from nineteen
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: ninety six and honestly, when you look at all that
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: was happening around Tupac's run, his final run, we didn't
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: know it was, but his final run in ninety six,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: and how he was the main one throwing direct shots.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: With some of his music, you're just not gonna see
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: anything like it was a hip hop moment that was
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: unique to that time and that artist. Now for those
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: younger feeling like, oh what we have I had Drake
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: and Kendrick, because we never see.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing like that.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: That's true, Like, that's true, back to back to bat,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: y'all got y'all will I don't think that that ever
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: happens again.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: That never happens again. You have this battle that goes
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: on like this, back back and forth, and then you
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: have just we already know what happened, but you have
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: the Grammys involved, the super Bowl involved, the court system involved.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: Forgot about that, yo, Like that's so far away from
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: a bond.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: Right right. Look another rapper just being like I don't
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: want nothing to do with this, peace y know.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna try to like help them end
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: it on a positive note to say, yeah, and you
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: know what, all them brothers walked away and anything was
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean in comparison, right, then I
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: forgot like, well, yeah, walked away and went to the courts.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Like gold the cops.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: So we should be happy. Look, nobody died, but this
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: is hip hop. Somebody died, and we know who he is.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: He's been trying to come back and every time we
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: come This is probably the third podcast I said this on.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: But it's just it's obviously it's like a study. But
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: and it happened to Joe Rule, but with Drake. Me
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: as a Drake fan, having like my own little best
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: of Drake playlists and all of that. Every time I
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: try to go back, like it's enough time, man le
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  Speaker 2: stall him out, depot let me play this joint. As
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  Speaker 2: soon as he start rapping, I'd be like, man, shut up, nigga.
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  Speaker 2: And I like Drake, you know what I'm saying. I
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  Speaker 2: liked him, but it's something like I said, it's something
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  Speaker 2: you'll never experience again. It's a time and a moment
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  Speaker 2: in hip hop that was unique and anything else it
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: was unique, like you know, Jadakiss getting busy at the
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  Speaker 2: versus while we're dealing with a global pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's so it's one of those moments in hip hop
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  Speaker 2: that this is why we do episodes like this. So
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  Speaker 2: anybody who ignored the situation or had it wrong around
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  Speaker 2: on the time, or didn't know or you wasn't born.
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  Speaker 2: All of the things we said here happened in real time.
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  Speaker 2: And it's easy to look at Tupac off of all
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  Speaker 2: of the things you've learned about him over the years,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't know what it was like to have
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  Speaker 2: him outside while you're alive. Like you can go to
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  Speaker 2: a show and see Tupac perform some of these records,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and know that there was
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  Speaker 2: tension in the air because of the East West Coast thing.
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  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, two albums in nineteen ninety six, Get Out
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  Speaker 2: of Jail, signed to a record label, take Over the
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  Speaker 2: Rap Game, go platinum with both albums and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, oh, because he passed away, nah Man, We
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  Speaker 2: just talked about these records. The songs was hot, hel
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  Speaker 2: Mary is still on the radio. Toss It Up is
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  Speaker 2: still on the radio in New York. When I listened
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: to the Block, which is like old school joint, toss
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: it Up came on yesterday, Wow, and I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: this is an album that was whack.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh nah yeah two point five. I said too earlier.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking for all music. I ain't gonna say the
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  Speaker 4: dudes name he gave. He gave it a two point
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  Speaker 4: five stars. Tell about it was like exploitive because, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, that whole posthumus it sounded like it was
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  Speaker 4: like put together, and it's like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so that's a rating for the marketing
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  Speaker 2: department at Death Row. That's not rating the music saying
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  Speaker 2: it's exploitive. It's like, I mean, the dog the dude
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  Speaker 2: was working on the album before he passed. They're putting
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 3: It's not Ai like he did Judos Salts.
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  Speaker 1: He said all of that.
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  Speaker 2: He said all of that, right, chrazy, I go looking
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  Speaker 2: for coming through and breaking down these two albums in
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  Speaker 2: Tupac and General in nineteen ninety six. Let us know
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  Speaker 2: what y'all thought about that whole Tupac run that year.
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  Speaker 2: You know, were you on the side, Like a lot
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: of people you know ever visited his history. But I
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: know some people straight up like big matters and that's it.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: We don't like him. We don't like POC and they
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: not just dudes. One lives in my house. Oh not feeling,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: not feeling all of that. She's still this day. This
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: is why I like Bickie Moore, Like, what do I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: ask you that?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: But you know, gen X, we'd be holding on the grudgets,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'll be trying to
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: enjoy pop and.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, forget about it.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: I like some of it, but big say this and
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: do this. But so some of it still exists, but
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: it's all hip hop. You know what I'm saying again,
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  Speaker 2: are looking out for coming through?
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  Speaker 3: Good?
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