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EP042 Angelology Part 2: What Dwells Beyond - Angels, Giants, and the Seven Classes of Life · The Immutable Word

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When people look at creation today, right, we look at human beings,
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we look at the animals, we look at, and even things that we may not understand,
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like people believe in ghosts, people believe in demons, people believe in alien life, cryptozoology,
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like Dogman and Bigfoot and stuff like that, right?
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People look at that and go, well, God must have created all of this.
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And what Brother Martis does is he makes a distinction and says,
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hey, this is not the original creation.
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Welcome back to The Mutable Word. Today we have a special guest with us in the studio, and that's Dr.
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Robert. He's the special guest every time we have a podcast, so welcome.
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We're back in the garage for another episode and pretty excited.
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Number one, this is the last episode for the year that we're recording.
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So I think this is, we had 40, so we're 41.
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So we're ending the year with number 41.
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And we're going to be moving into the new year with a lot more things already planned to cover.
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But we're going to, we had covered, I think about two episodes back,
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angels, and we just covered a pretty high level basic introductions of what
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angels are and what were their primary duties.
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A lot of people thought they were messengers, but they were actually there to
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execute judgment for the most part.
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And there's distinctions between angels. You know, you have the watchers,
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you have cherubims aren't angels.
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So we're going to make sure to make that important distinction today.
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But you have different types of angels Or at least different types of jobs that
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angels had But one of them is executing judgment primarily If you look through scripture,
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it supports that So in this episode, we're going to be talking a little bit
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more about angels But actually expanding out into more or less different life
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forms And I think it's important to start here to lay the groundwork As we begin
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to expand on the topic It's going to be...
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It's going to be critical because it'll allow us to understand where we go off from there.
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If we're talking about extraterrestrial-type life, which we'll get into,
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if it's not in this episode, it'll probably be in later episodes,
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it will make a lot more sense understanding the different classifications of life.
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And so there's going to be six that we're going to be covering.
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And this is based off of Martis' book, Jeffrey Martis' book,
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What Dwells Beyond, which is a really comprehensive study.
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On this stuff. And so we're going to be looking at just a small part of it and,
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again, just trying to lay the groundwork.
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So there's going to be six classifications of life, life forms, rather.
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And there's a passage in here, and I thought you mentioned this,
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that really stuck out was those who refuse to make distinctions where the Bible
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makes distinctions run the risk of error.
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And also later on it says, when it comes to explaining this stuff,
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it just really is a great starting point for discerning the different things
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we're going to talk about, which gets pretty strange, but it's in the Bible.
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I mean, we either believe it or we don't.
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So, do you want to maybe bring us further into where we might start with the
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classifications of life or life forms?
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Yeah, so, I mean, the reason why we're bringing up this book is because,
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one, it's a resource for our listeners.
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Anybody that wants to do more of a deep dive, maybe they want to study into
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it with a little bit more depth and clarity, I would recommend the book.
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Jeffrey Martis is a King James Bible-believing dispensational Baptist.
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He is of our belief, our like faith.
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I don't disagree with hardly anything in his book. He's got a lot of really good material in there.
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And it's probably the most comprehensive book that you're going to read.
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It's basically an encyclopedia of the spiritual warfare, the spiritual existence
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of creatures and things like that, that God has both created and didn't create.
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So we're going to talk a little bit about that. So the chapter,
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we talked a little bit about the angels, like you said, their roles,
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their ministries, their purpose, some of the things that we understand that
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they're a mere reflection of things.
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Like we started talking about, you know, the churches, you know,
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beholding the face of the angels of those children here on earth that we believe
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that the angels in that respect are representative, right, of things here on earth in God's eyes.
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It's almost as if they're God's, I don't know, digital screen.
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You know, he can see, not that he can't, the eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding all things.
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He can do that, but it just makes you wonder if this is, you know,
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a mode that he uses. He chooses to use these angels for that reason.
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You see the angels, the sons of God, which they're referred to.
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In the book of Job especially, but you see them in Job 1 and Job 2.
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That Satan is, he obviously still has access to the throne.
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So his fall from heaven, so to speak, is actually yet future.
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So there's actually a misnomer about that. Some people think,
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oh, he's been, you know, cast out of heaven.
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He has no access to the third heaven. He does. You just read Job 1 and 2.
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He can come directly before the throne of God and obviously challenge God, which is what he did.
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But he came in with the sons of God, which means those sons of God are constantly traversing,
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they're constantly going back and forth, and they are executing whatever commands
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or duties or responsibilities God is giving them.
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And I believe, you know, believe that one of them is representation of earthly things in heaven.
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So anyway, today what we're going to do is going to be covering,
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and kind of highlighting and kind of skimming through chapter 11 of Jeffrey
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Martis's book, What Dwells Beyond.
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Again, I highly recommend it. If you are interested, and I'm not talking,
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because this is one of those topics that it's real fringe, right?
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I mean, most Christianity, they're not thinking about alien life.
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They're not thinking about stars and constellation and interstellar travel and
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interdimensional travel.
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Nobody's thinking about that as a Christian, typically, you know,
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to them, those are the, the, you know, the weird, you know, Trekkie convention guys, right?
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Those are the guys that, that go to alien conventions, you know what I mean?
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They're part of MUFON and all these other, and they're looking for lights in the sky.
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Here's, here's what I want to say about that though, because I think it is important that.
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As we kind of dive into this, because I think some of our listeners who typically
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get a lot out of our, the pragmatism, right?
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Some of the practical things that we've talked about, you know,
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about communication and leadership and whatnot, all those things are valid.
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But guess what? There is a spiritual world out there.
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Paul talks about it, spiritual wickedness in high places.
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He says that our actual viable enemies are spiritual enemies,
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not physical enemies. Okay.
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And so it's important to understand that when Peter denied that Christ was going
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to go to the cross in Matthew 16, what did Jesus Christ do?
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He turned around and talked to, he's talking to Peter, but he says,
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get thee behind me, Satan.
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He says, for thou savest not the things of God.
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So he's addressing Peter physically, but there was obviously a spirit behind
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the words that Peter was speaking. It's a spirit of doubt.
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He was casting doubt on what Jesus Christ was saying about going to the cross.
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So that's important to understand that.
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That's why we say, look, there is a spiritual world out there,
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and if we don't address it from a Bible-believing point of view,
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then the problem is that our brothers and sisters in Christ are they're going
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to run to the internet, they're going to run to secular knowledge.
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Worse yet, they'll run into mysticism and New Ageism, and they'll get false
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information about the spirit world where these things are captured within the
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text of the King James Bible, right?
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So, we said it before in the previous episode about angels, but...
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The church today has a truncated view of the spiritual.
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They don't look at the spirit world. They don't look at the interdimensional
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travel of these creatures, you know, to earth and so forth and so on.
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They don't look at that as anything supernatural. They just,
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they look at it as, oh, you know, that's a nice little story in the Bible.
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You know what I mean? And so, and we'll paint little angels on our,
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whatever, on our little storybooks and coloring books, But they don't consider
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that, hey, this is a real, viable enemy that exists in a spirit world.
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And there is a spirit world because, you know, the first illustration we used
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was in Kings, right, where Elisha was with his servant and his servant was,
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you know, kind of freaking out like, hey, we're surrounded. And he goes,
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no, no, no, no. He goes, we're not surrounded. They're surrounded.
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And he, and he, he prays the Lord, open up the eyes of his servant and boom,
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there's this huge mountain range of chariots of fire surrounding them.
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So anyway, that's why we want to make sure that we're careful about this.
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And this is the reason why I can wholeheartedly recommend this book,
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because Jeffrey Martis is a saved—he has a testimony where I think he got saved
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in 1973, bought with the blood of Jesus Christ.
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You know, he's a local member of a church. He's actively involved in ministry.
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He's obviously a Bible student. He believes every word of the King James Bible.
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That's when we recommend somebody, when we say, hey, I can endorse this guy.
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Those are the credentials that we're talking about. So that's why we want to
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use his book because, you know, the old adage is, you know, don't fix what's,
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you know, what's not broken. Right.
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He already did the research. He put the outline together. He organized the information.
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And this is probably, what is this book? It's about 500 pages.
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It's over 500 pages. Okay. So this is not an overnight read.
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I've been listening to the audio of it and I've been reading the book physically
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for a little over two weeks now.
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And sometimes that's an hour, an hour and a half at a sitting.
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And usually I can read pretty quick and I can fly through a book pretty quickly,
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but there's so much material he covers and he does such a great job of organizing it.
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And so that's why I wanted to say today, what we want to do is let's go through
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chapter 11 and chapter 11 of his book, it's entitled The Illustrated Field Guide to Life Forms.
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And the reason why this chapter is so important is he basically explains that
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the information presented, and this is what he says, the information presented
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in this chapter represents the core purpose of this book.
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It's written specifically as a reference for Bible believing Christians and
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is a breakdown and an analysis showing the kinds of life forms outlined by scripture.
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It is the Bible's field guide to life forms and constitutes the primary starting
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point for discerning the extraterrestrial phenomenon.
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So this particular chapter, chapter 11, is literally the primary premise.
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Yeah, that's what I like about it because I admit I haven't read through the book.
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Well, first of all, let me rewind a little bit. What I appreciate about Jeffrey Martis is...
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Like you were saying, we don't have to do a lot of filtering through the book
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and try to extract some truths.
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He's, he's, you know, he's a Bible. We're talking about, you know,
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we talked about Thomas Horn and some of these other guys and Steve Quayle and
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those guys look theologically, those guys deny pre-tribulation,
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rapture, pre-millennialism.
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Jeffrey Martins doesn't, and he doesn't try to correct the King James Bible.
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And that's what I was, what I was getting at is what I appreciate.
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He's, he's a Bible literalist. He's like, look, We may not understand it.
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We might think it's really weird to fringe, but that's just what it says.
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And so he puts the lens of scripture on everything that he's been doing.
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His research is not just breath, it's a lot of depth, like you were saying.
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It is a thick book, and I haven't read the whole book, just full disclosure.
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I'm also listening and reading.
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I did read chapters 11 and 12, so if you want a quick...
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Overview, it was perfect. And now I can go through the rest of the book,
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having that basic groundwork.
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And I think that's why it's great that we're starting in chapter 11,
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because it does just... Yeah.
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As we go through, we'll reference the other chapters, because they'll play a part when we get closer.
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Because ultimately, what we want to do is, first, we're talking about.
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Angelology. Wow, I've said that seven times. Anyway, angelology.
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So, we're talking about the study of angels.
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But in order to do that, we obviously are going to be touching on what is popularly
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understood as alien culture, right?
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Alien life, extraterrestrial life, the alien phenomenon, right?
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All that stuff. It plays a part in it.
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But the best way to approach it is biblically.
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Lay the biblical foundation. So he's done that. And it's not,
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I'm going to say this, It's not a it's not a hard to understand book.
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It's a very comprehensive book because he covers a wide range of topics that
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all relate to each other.
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But they they're supplemental and they help bring a lot of context to this type of discussion.
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Yep. So. Yeah, agreed. I'm excited to get into it.
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So this particular chapter, what he does is he kind of introduces this concept
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like, hey, when people look at creation today,
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right, we look at human beings, we look at the animals, we look at,
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and even things that we may not understand, like people believe in ghosts,
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people believe in demons, people believe in alien life, cryptozoology,
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like Dogman and Bigfoot and stuff like that, right?
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People look at that and go, well, God must have created all of this.
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And what Brother Martus does is he makes a distinction and says,
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hey, this is not the original creation. This is not what God started out with.
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When God created all his kinds, like in Genesis 1, there's different kinds.
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Well, that word kind, it's, let's put it this way.
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You know, zoology and classification was actually invented in the 1800s.
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So when we say species, you don't see species in the Bible. You see kind.
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And when God says he created man after his own kind, he created animals after
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their kind, fowls after their own kind.
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Now, kind is the reproductive limit of a created life form.
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Okay. Boundary, so to speak. Right. So, for example, if you have a dog kind
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and if you have a bird kind, you cannot crossbreed between those two life forms.
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That's a reproductive limit, okay?
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But that's the boundaries that God put in place at creation.
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That's important because that's what he's trying to distinguish at the beginning of the chapter.
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There's this error, there's this fallacy, this error in reasoning that people
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assume that everything we see today is exactly what God created day one of creation.
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That is not true. There's been some problems. Matter of fact,
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the two examples he brings up is man. Man's fallen.
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We're not in a perfect state like Adam and Eve were. So man is not like we were created in the garden.
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We don't hold the image of God anymore. And so, and guess who else has fallen? Satan.
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Satan is not his original kind as he was created.
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He's obviously in a fallen state. So, and that's why it's important for people
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to understand that, you know, there's been a deviation from God's created,
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you know, strategy, his creation strategy.
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So as we kind of approach this, then he wants to make sure that people understand
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that things are different. Then he goes into what he calls the pattern of life,
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and of course, he highlights the fact that God is a tripartite being. He's a trinity.
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He's God. That's what he is, but he's three persons, which is the Father,
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the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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That's what the trinity is. We don't believe that there are three gods.
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That's not what we teach. We believe that he's one God, but he's three persons.
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And we don't believe that he's a singular person, but three different gods.
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People have to understand there's a distinction between that.
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So not to get too far into the Trinity, but God created man after his own image.
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And it's true, the image that was lost after Adam's image, now everybody that's
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created today, everybody that's born today, human beings, are born after the
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image of Adam, according to Genesis chapter 5.
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Well, we don't regain the image of God until we receive Christ in the church age.
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So he is the express image of
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God, according to Hebrews 1 and so forth and so on. So here's the thing.
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He basically lays out this pattern of life showing that man is a tripartite
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being. So he says we're a body, a soul, and a spirit.
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So he talks about the spirit is the life spirit.
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Of a human being. That's where you have the lifeblood or the life powerhouse,
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whatever it is of the physical body, because when God created Adam,
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he said he breathed into him the breath of life, and then he became a living soul.
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So the spirit, the Bible lists four different types of spirits in the Bible,
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because in John 4, matter of fact, it says God is a spirit, which makes the
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distinction that there's more than one type of spirit, right?
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So, you have the Spirit of God, that's God, that's the Holy Spirit,
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the Holy Ghost, 1 John 5, 7.
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You have the Spirit of man, Ecclesiastes 3, 21.
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You have the Spirit of beasts, Ecclesiastes also 3, 21.
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And then you have the Spirit of devils, like in Matthew 10, 1 and so forth. You have other places.
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So, these spirits, the spirits of men, they return to God at death.
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That's what Ecclesiastes 3 says.
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The beasts, their spirit returned to the earth, okay?
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So there's a different direction in the human spirit and the beast spirit.
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Now, we talked about it before when we talked about revelatory epistemology,
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that a man understands another man because they have the same spirit.
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An animal understands animals because they have the same spirit, spirit of a beast.
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That's why animals can communicate in ways that you and I can't.
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And we can obviously communicate in ways that animals can't. There's a distinction.
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Now that's, I want to step back and say something about that though,
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because our biggest antagonist in this world, the worldview is the atheist evolutionist.
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They deny that man has a spirit or a soul.
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They deny those things because they're materialists. They only believe in the
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material, what is physical.
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So when we say spirit and soul, they think of it as some kind of a chemical
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composition in the body.
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But we believe it's an actual entity. The Bible says that when Rachel was dying,
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whenever she was having Benjamin, the Bible says her soul was departing from
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her, was leaving the body.
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Well, what does Paul tell us? He says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
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So he says at one point in 2 Corinthians 12, right, he says he got caught up
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into the third heaven, whether in the body or out of the body, he couldn't tell.
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But the Bible tells us that the soul leaves the body.
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The spirit of life returns unto the God who gave it.
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Who we are is the soul. So the spirit, again, is the spirit of life,
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but there's four types in the Bible.
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So the spirit, according to Brother Martus, he says, is the key component of all life.
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It's what makes a living thing alive.
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So it's the difference. It is the difference maker in conjunction with the blood
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between dead matter and living beings.
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The spirit is not scientifically testable, therefore not recognized by biological science.
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It is the stumbling block for all modern life sciences.
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So it's important to understand that, you know, we are, we're a physical body, but we possess a spirit.
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Okay. We're a soul, but we possess a body.
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That's another distinction to me. So the soul, you know, the Greek word is,
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is psuche, psuche, and that's the seat of the intellect and the emotion.
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That's actually who we are. So when you and I are talking Sorry dumb question
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Go ahead Psyche Same thing Yeah that's what That's psuche Is the Greek word for it It's psyche Okay.
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So psychological, psychiatrist, psychological, say, think of this,
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psychological, you know what psychology is?
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The study of the soul that scientists deny.
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So most of your psychologists deny that man has a soul. Isn't that interesting?
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So even though it's the study of. Yeah.
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It's called self-defeating. Anyway, so it's connected with the seed of the intellect and emotions.
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It's essentially what the Bible refers to as the heart. Okay.
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With the heart man believeth unto righteousness and so forth.
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As a man thinketh in his heart.
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So that's your soul. That's who you are. That's actually, when you and I are
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talking to each other, we're talking to our souls.
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We're looking out through our bodies at each other. Right.
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And that's what makes us uniquely us. Right. But yeah, who you are as Alan and
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who I am as Robert, that's my soul.
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And that's the destiny of the soul, according to the Bible, is heaven or hell.
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That's important for people to understand that your body goes back to the ground.
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Your spirit returns unto the God who gave it, Ecclesiastes 3.21.
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But your soul, depending on what you've done with Jesus Christ,
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will either go to heaven or hell. Okay?
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So for a note for a little bit later, so he mentions a little bit earlier that
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if an organism has no spirit, it's not typically alive.
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So I think where the soul comes into connection is where it might answer some
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questions about being redeemed in some of the future.
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Maybe it's the future chapter. I can't remember if it's this chapter,
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but just a future note. I'm just trying to make that.
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I'm going to go back again. We say that again. So I was talking about the spirit, right?
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So if he mentions earlier in here in the spirit, I know we're talking about
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the soul, so I'm not trying to confuse the two, but he talks about the spirit.
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If an organism has no spirit, it is technically not alive.
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And he's talking about the trees, plants, microorganisms, but there are living
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beings that have no soul.
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And we can say that maybe animals and things like that.
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And anything else beyond that has no soul. So there might be a question of who
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can be redeemed or not, right?
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Yeah, redemption, the basis of redemption determines the destiny of your soul.
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But you have to have a soul.
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Like, for example, angels don't have a soul. Yeah. So they can't be redeemed.
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Animals don't have a soul, so they can't be redeemed. They can't be redeemed,
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yeah. Is that what you're trying to allude to? Yeah, I was just trying to allude.
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That's what I was saying. I want to put it like a note here.
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You know, make an assertion now, so that way it makes a little bit more sense
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later when we cover it, but this is something that popped in.
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So, anyway, so the body, again, and then, of course, the soul is who you are.
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That's the distinct you as the individual, and that's the part of you that either
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goes to heaven or hell, depending on what you do with Jesus Christ.
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The body, obviously, is the physical manifestation of life. That's what we see.
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That's also where all of our lusts of the flesh reside.
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So, you know, we're talking about, you know, all the different things the Bible
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describes as the lust of the body, the lust of our flesh.
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For example, you know, wrath, emulations, variance, strife, seditions,
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heresies, all these things are listed in Galatians.
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You know, that's the lust of the flesh. That's what dwells inside the flesh.
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That's why Paul says in Romans 7, he says whenever he wants to do right,
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but he can't do right, he goes, I realize that there's sin that dwelleth in me that is in my flesh.
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That's where sin dwells. For the believer, sin does not affect the soul because
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of spiritual circumcision, according to Colossians chapter 2.
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So the one baptism that actually saves us is spiritual baptism.
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It's the cutting away of the soul from the body.
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A lost person does not have that circumcision.
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Their body and their soul are still connected. So everything they do with their
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body affects their soul.
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Their soul is going to go to hell because of the sins of their,
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because they've never been washed in the blood.
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The Bible says in Leviticus that it's the blood, and he talks about the blood,
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we won't go too much into it, but it's the blood that makes the atonement for the soul.
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Well, if the blood makes the atonement for the soul, then it's the blood of
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Jesus Christ that was shed upon the cross that atones for the soul,
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atones, the easy way to understand what atonement is, it makes at-one-ment.
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It makes you at one with God.
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So that blood makes us right with God. It makes an atonement for the soul.
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If you reject the blood of Christ, you have no atonement for your soul.
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You're lost. and therefore everything, your soul is just as dirty as the day
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that you started sinning.
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But for us, the believer, the flesh has no more control, has no more impact,
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no more influence on the body or on the soul. So the blood does,
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or the body does, I'm sorry.
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So anyway, so he kind of does a primer on making understand,
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hey, this is the pattern of life.
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The pattern of life exists in the body, the soul, and spirit.
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The blood plays a vital role in that because the Bible says the life of the
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flesh is in the blood, just like the life of the soul is in the spirit.
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See that? The spirit gives life to the soul.
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The blood gives life to the body. That's the parallel between the two.
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So those are two life-giving types is the blood and spirit.
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Now, then once he starts making that, he says this quick overview about the
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life of the body, the soul, in the spirit, in the blood, it was necessary in
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order to lay a proper foundation for the study and meaning of life.
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And then he says, okay, now that we know what life consists of,
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then he goes into what he calls the seven classes of life.
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So he says at the beginning of the section here, each life form listed in the
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following section represents a separate and distinct class of life.
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So each class is known as strange flesh in relation to the other. That's important.
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Because when we start to understand what happened at the Genesis flood with
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the sons of God cohabitating with the daughters of men, the Bible says that
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these angels pursued strange flesh.
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Well, how is that strange to an angel? Well, it's because they're a distinct
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separate life form than human beings.
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Okay. So, and this is what he says, any cross-mixing of the groups produces
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a counterfeit form of life.
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That's another important distinction.
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Any cross-mixing of the groups of these seven classes of life,
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any cross-mixing produces a counterfeit form of life.
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That variance, that means it's against the will of God with the Creator's original
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guidelines as found in the first chapter of Genesis.
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So these kinds that are created, guess what?
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He's going to reproduce after his own kind.
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Well, guess what? Angels can't reproduce because they're all men.
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The only way they can do that is to violate the created structure and organization
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that God's strategy that he laid out in Genesis 1.
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And that's what produces these hybrid monstrosities of giants in the book of Genesis.
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And there are these giants and what's produced.
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I'm not quite clear on it yet, so let me know if I'm getting ahead or we can skip forward.
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But this is a corruption, right?
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This is obviously in violation of God's system of creating, you know,
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after their own kind. Yeah.
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So, they would have a spirit.
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A body, but my question is a soul. Because they're- No, they don't have souls.
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Yeah, they wouldn't have a soul. A giant stone of souls.
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Okay. Yeah, the only thing that has a soul is a human being. Okay. That's it.
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That's probably the easiest way to clarify. There you go. Okay.
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So that's, well, according to the Bible.
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Yeah. Right? In Genesis chapter two, man became a living- Soul.
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Nothing else is, no other phrase like that exists in the Bible for any other
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kind other than human beings.
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Got it. So giants, animals, or any deviation thereof does not have a soul. Okay.
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Only the soul can be redeemed. And that's the offspring of angels and women.
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Well, he lists the passages here, right?
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He says this taboo boundary between life classes, that deviation,
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that variance of God's original strategy. Right.
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He goes, is seen in such scriptures as Genesis 6, 1 through 7.
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So there's the angels. There's the sons of God. Exodus 22, 19,
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Leviticus 18, Leviticus 20, verses 15-16, 1 Corinthians 11-9-10.
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All those passages show there's a
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deviation from God's intended plan for reproduction after one's own kind.
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So the counterfeit classification does not necessarily have to be the product
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of a physical procreative union, but a forced genetic mixing.
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That's important too. Okay. So he says it can be the byproduct of a forced genetic
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mixing between the groups and subgroups, such as those found in modern laboratories.
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That means it's not a natural union between a man and a woman or a female and
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a male, and they reproduce a child.
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He's saying they can also be hybrid genetic manipulations in a laboratory,
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that can also be that counterfeit classification.
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So when he says counterfeit, it's a counterfeit of life. You understand?
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We say that God is the creator of life.
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What has been the goal of evolution for the last 250 years is to try to say
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that life came about from some other means other than Genesis.
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See that? That God isn't the creator. That's the whole premise of evolution.
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It's important to understand that classification that is the counterfeit kind
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is literally violating what God intended with the created kinds.
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He created a natural reproductive strategy and organization and framework for man.
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We were supposed to reproduce after
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our own kind. Animals are supposed to reproduce after their own kind.
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Plants are supposed to reproduce after their own kind.
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See that? So again, instead of seeing man as a separate distinct from the animal,
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modern science erroneously classifies him as being part of a long,
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unbroken chain of evolved life and supposed missing links in between.
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So this hypothetical view immediately puts science at a disadvantage because
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it merges life groups that are not the same. That's why this classification is necessary.
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To understand what Brother Mardis is laying out here is, look, he goes,
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what modern science and hybridization and cloning and eventually what we're
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going to get into down the road with aliens and some of the things.
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The atrocities, you know, biologically that are committed there,
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and even the atrocities that were committed with the sons of God,
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Genesis 6, and then what eventually led to all the prohibitions in the law with
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bestiality and lying with other types of kinds. You cross those boundaries.
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It is a violation of what God originally intended. That's why Brother Martus is laying out.
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He says, look, There's six legitimate classifications of life forms.
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The seventh is not a legitimate one.
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That's actually violating what
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God originally intended. What did God originally intend? The first six.
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So what he does is he outlines them, and this is the parameters he sets.
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He basically sets for each one of these classifications six parameters.
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So number one is classification, which is the name of the group to which the life form belongs.
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Origins tells whether the life form is a creation of God or made by some other means.
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All legitimate forms, here's what he says. all legitimate life forms were originally
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direct creations of God, Genesis 1.
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So when we see man, man was a legitimate, direct creation of God.
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What you see in Genesis 6, they produce giants and men of renown.
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Those were not direct creations of God. Those are the counterfeits,
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So Now however legitimate life Can arise only in one of two ways One direct
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creation And number two after it's kind That's it,
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That's the only two ways a legitimate life form can arise, according to the
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Word of God. That's the only clue we get.
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So, a being that's a direct contradiction that has no parents,
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but is manifest by direct commandment, by the Word of God, for example,
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let there be angels or some other similar spoken directive,
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you know, examples of the Creator's ability to speak things in existence,
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all those things are after its kind, but they're also legitimate forms because
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God created them. So, that's the origin.
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So, the origin is really saying, look, is it a direct creation of God or is
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it not a direct creation of God? That's it.
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That's the boundary. That is a true dichotomy. Anything outside of that,
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manufactured or otherwise, is a violation of what God initially intended.
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So, you have classification, origins, and then you have residence.
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This is the location where the life form currently resides.
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Earth, hell, first heaven, second heaven, third heaven. Many life forms may
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dwell in multiple locations at once.
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And then, of course, their relation to God. It refers to a fallen or a just state before God.
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The fallen life forms, they were once in a just standing but are currently under
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the curse of sin or separated from God.
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Redeemable means yes, no, or any, not applicable.
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Whether the redeeming blood of the
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Lord Jesus Christ extends to cover the curse-sin nature of the life form.
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And then about describes a few unique characteristics. So those are the six
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parameters he sets for these six legitimate classifications and the one illegitimate
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classification. So the first one is creature.
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And of course, it's after its kind, right?
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So this is going to be flying or creeping things, the life in the waters,
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beast or creeping things, the beast like that cow or a horse or an elephant, right?
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Fowls, flying or fowl or creeping things like butterflies or locusts or grasshoppers.
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Those are all what he calls the creature classification.
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But they're after their own kind. They're separated by their own kind. Okay.
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So the word creature in a broad sense can refer to any living thing created
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by God. Hence the word relationship of creature and create, right?
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Sometimes the word sometimes refers to man, according to 2 Corinthians 5.17
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or Galatians 6.15, or sometimes they can refer to cherubim according to Ezekiel
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1. but the most common and most used reference is to the animal.
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So animal, the word animal is not found in the Bible, but creature is.
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So they're after their own kind, their residence is on earth,
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basically. Their relation to God is they're in a fallen state.
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That's not going to be made right into the millennium. Are they redeemable?
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Yes and no. Yes, if we're talking about humans.
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No, if we're talking about anything else. So, and then of course you have life
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in the waters, you have fowl, you have beasts, you have creeping things and so forth and so on.
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Well, I think they're restored in a sense though, right?
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Then during the millennium, like, because they were changed, they have a fear of man.
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Right. They were violent. The Bible says there's violence in the earth.
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Yeah. The animals, you know, were afraid of men in the beginning,
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but they're not eventually.
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So redeemable in the sense that are they going to be made right as far as the state of nature? Yes.
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Soul redeemed? No. No. So that's why it's a yes and no. Well,
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and it's yes and no because remember, men are also called creatures.
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That makes sense. Yep. And then, all right, so then you have,
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and he lists here, he says the dragon is the ultimate animal.
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He has a little inset here. He says there's only one historical animal which
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falls into all animal subclasses, which is the dragon.
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It's classified among the cattle. So it falls in the beast class, Genesis 3.14.
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It's also classified as the serpent, which goeth upon the belly.
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So it fits into the creeping things class, Genesis 3.14 and Leviticus 11.42.
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It also has wings, so it falls into the fowl class, Isaiah 14, 29.
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And it can also dwell in the sea, so it's grouped with the life and the waters
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class, Isaiah 27, 1. It is the ultimate animal.
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That's the dragon, as described in scripture.
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So that's an interesting side note there. So you have the creature class,
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and then you have man class, obviously.
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Man, after his own kind, He's obviously on earth He's in a fallen state Is he redeemable?
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Yes He can be redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
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So man, you know, refers to mankind as a whole, but it's obviously in the general
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sense, the male gender man, you know, originally created an image and after
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the likeness of the creator with the female gender being made of and for the
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man, 1 Corinthians 11, 8 through 9.
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Modern science refers to man as homo sapien, falsely classifying him with the
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primate or monkey-like species of animal.
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Man is not an animal. God makes that distinction.
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Why? because we have the spirit of a man, not the spirit of a beast.
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That's the distinction is our intellect, our understanding, our epistemological
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foundation, our base, basically, right?
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We understand things differently than animals do. Let's see.
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He says here, he says, where is it?
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To classify man as an animal and to declare that his physical appearance is
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simply an inconsequential fluke of evolution is to spit in the face of God Almighty.
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It is a blasphemy of the worst sort.
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Man looks the way he does because God looks the same way, but in a much more perfect form.
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Currently, the state of man, the man is in a state of sin, lost that perfect
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tripart image of God, the image composed of a spirit in the soul of the physical
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body, is only regained through the imputed righteousness of the Creator, through Jesus Christ.
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Now, the Bible says the spirits of all men return unto God at death.
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That's Ecclesiastes 12, 7. And the soul goes either to heaven or hell.
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So the man class is different than the creature or beast class.
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And then you have the next class, which we've been talking about,
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is the angelic class, angels.
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And their origin is they are a direct creation of God. They're not after their own kind.
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They don't reproduce, basically. Created. Yeah, angels don't reproduce other
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angels. They're created.
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Their residence is third heaven, right? Angels of God.
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But they're also in the second heaven, which are the vagabond angels of Satan
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who operate here on this earth.
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And of course, there's angels like the Prince of Persia and other princes that
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are spiritual representatives of globalistic and multicultural governments and things like that.
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And then you also have angels that are locked away in hell. So they're in heaven,
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they're on the second heaven on earth, and they're in hell.
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That's where they exist. Now the relation to God Well the angels that are right
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with God Are the angels of God The fallen angels Are the ones that are associated
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with Satan And they've sinned Are they redeemable? Nope They don't have a soul.
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So, one of the things we didn't talk about last time with angels,
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and I want to spend a little bit of time more on this because this is what the
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topic is, angelology, right?
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But the Bible says that there's an innumerable company of angels,
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Job 38.7, Hebrews 12.22.
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But also known as a heavenly host, ministering spirits, stars,
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and sons of God, these beings appear identical to human men.
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But they possess supernatural abilities like super strength,
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invisibility, wingless flight, healing, telekinesis, the ability to control
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animals, the ability to control certain elements such as fire, water, and air.
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Angels also exist in military-like ranks. You have archangels,
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king angels, prince angels, with certain angels having authority over other
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angels, and Michael being the only one known as the archangel.
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According to Daniel 10.13, Daniel 12.1, Jude 1.9, Revelation 9.11, and Revelation 12.7.
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But he mentions here the most common attribute the Bible prescribes to angels
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is not relaying messages. We talked about this, right? Yeah.
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As many men teach, but they carry out the judgments of God by dispensing the
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sword, pestilence, famine, plagues, etc.
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Etc., known as destroying angels, 1 Chronicles 21, 9-15, or evil angels, Psalm 78, 42-49.
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The scriptures also list a variety
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of other angelic tasks, such as those performed by messenger angels.
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So you have Luke 1, 19, and verse 26, Zechariah 1-6, so forth and so on.
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You have reaper angels that reap in Matthew 13, verses 39-42.
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You have Revelation 14, and so forth and so on.
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That's when they reap and they separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Then you have guardian angels, Psalms 91 verses 1 through 15, Hebrews 1, 14, so forth.
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And you had those angels that did minister to Christ, for example,
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after he fasted 40 days and 40 nights.
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So, in contrast to the righteous and just angels of God in heaven,
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there also exists a group of fallen angels under the command of Satan.
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And the Bible never tells us the number, right? It never tells us how many.
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It just tells us in the book of Revelation that a third of them fall.
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If there's an innumerable company of angels, which is in parallel with the stars,
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think about it. You can't count the stars, can you? No.
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But stars can be representative of angels. Right.
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There's an innumerable company of angels, innumerable company of stars. There's lightness.
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Right? Matter of fact, Brother Knox just did a message on rethinking the star
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of Bethlehem, and he talks about it being an angel. It's not a celestial object in the sky.
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That's what a lot of fundamentalist stuff believe, that it's some bright star
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in the sky that followed him.
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It's actually the more than light, and it's through inductive Bible study,
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but you inductively come to the conclusion that it is an angel.
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So, but anyway, not all fallen angels are currently running around loose with
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the devil, however, as an unknown number are locked away in hell under the chains
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of darkness awaiting judgment, 2 Peter 2.4.
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And another four are bound in the Euphrates River, Revelation 9.14.
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And one, a king angel known as Abaddon or Apollyon.
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So Abaddon is the Hebrew name, Apollyon is the Greek name, which is interesting
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because Judas Iscariot has a Hebrew name and a Greek name, by the way.
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Reigns over monsters of the bottomless pit.
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And those monsters are those demon locusts that basically come out of the bottomless
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pit with hair as women, mouth as lions, and faces men.
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Anyway, and they're loose during the Great Tribulation. That's Revelation 9-11.
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Because angels appear identical to human men.
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This is Hebrews chapter 13, verse 2. And because there are no female angels,
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certain angels that sin became physically attached or attracted to earth women
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and sired illicit children by them.
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This union between two distinct classes of life, the angelic class and the man
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class, created a hybrid relationship.
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Offspring, which is a giant. Now, most of our evangelicals and some of these
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guys that get into prophecy and stuff like that, they like to refer to Nephilim.
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I'm sure you've heard that phrase before, right? And they say that because they're
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afraid of the word giant.
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They want to go back to the Hebrew or either they want to try to sound smart,
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but the truth of the matter is that's what a giant is.
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Okay. So the giant in the Bible or giants in the Bible are not,
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They're not directly created by God, are they? No. They're an indirect creation.
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And they fall outside. They're a cross-mixing of the man class and the angel
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class, which means it is at variance with the will of God concerning creation.
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So a strange life form, which is what man is to angels.
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There's an interesting statement when you read in Genesis, Genesis chapter 6.
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And the Bible says, and it says, and man, he, and he is flesh.
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It talks about him being a separate type of flesh than the flesh of angels,
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two different types of flesh.
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And they mix and they produce these giants.
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So anyway, if you go back to read, I would encourage people to go back and read
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Genesis 6, read it carefully.
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Look how, and here's another statement. I was just talking to one of my Bible
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students last night, and he had asked, he goes, hey, Brother Robert,
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what do you think of that statement that Noah was perfect in his generations?
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You know, most people say, oh, he was a good man.
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He was a just man. Well, the Bible says he's a just man.
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Spirit-filled life. Very spirit-filled man. You know, he showed up at church
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every time the doors were open. You know, anyway.
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But in truth, it says generations. And if you let the Bible define itself instead
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of a preacher or a Bible teacher or a scholar, let the Bible define it.
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If you go to Genesis chapter 5, it says these are the generations of Adam.
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You go to Matthew chapter 1, it says this is the book of the generations of Jesus Christ.
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Generations is genealogy. That means genetically, he was perfect. Yeah.
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He wasn't perfect because he was a moral man. He was perfect because his genetic
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line had not been violated by these sons of God.
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So God says— Which was a big problem back in the day. Back then.
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God's not going to—he's going to destroy all those life forms.
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That's why he chose him. That's right. Interesting.
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Yeah. It's amazing when it starts coming together. Not because he paid his tithe.
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You understand? So anyway, side joke. All right. So anyway, so you had this
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union between these two classes.
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Well, anyway, that was sin. It wasn't sanctioned by God.
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And it became a one-way street for angels. And the Bible talks about that in
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Jude that they left their first estate.
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Their first, you know, that state. Now they became, the Bible says in the book
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of Psalms, I think it's chapter 82, where it says they shall die like men.
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And that's exactly what happened. Those angels that sinned left their first estate.
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They can suffer judgment and now can die physically.
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I wonder if they lost their superpowers. You know, maybe not.
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This is separate. Well, what we do know is that the Bible says that there's
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angels that have been chained in everlasting darkness.
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So apparently they're in prison. They have no free access to the earth like
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these other fallen angels that follow Satan.
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So maybe because of that direct violation where they cohabitated with human
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beings, it was a great violation from the order that God set in Genesis 1.
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And you know what? This is what Mardis alludes to throughout the book is that
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I don't think people understand the great transgression that happened in Genesis 6.
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It was such a wicked event. It was so wicked in the eyes of God that he decided
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to push the reset button and wipe out all life on earth.
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As a result of what happened with the sons of God. Yep.
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And it was so bad that God says, Jesus Christ says, you know what the last days
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are going to be like? Like the days of Noah.
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And you know what Daniel chapter 2 tells us with the image of Daniel?
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The Bible says when you get down to the toes, it's a mix of iron and clay.
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And it says, it clarifies what
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that means. It says, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.
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I mean, if he's just stop and think about that for a second,
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going back to the story of the flood and Noah, we automatically,
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or we default to thinking, well, man just got bad, you know. Right.
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Or worse yet, they take the Schofield interpretation and say that the sons of
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God were the godly line of Seth. Okay, I got beef with that.
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We'll come back to that in a second.
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But like, when you think about that, it's like you think it's facilitated by
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man, but it's really facilitated by God's angels, sons of God.
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Well, Brother Martis brings up a good point.
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He says both were at fault, man and the sons of God, because it was the women
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that obviously were seducing these angels.
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And they were attractive enough for the angels to be interested in what they saw.
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So it makes you wonder what was going on with those women.
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But anyway, we'll probably get to that later on when we start talking about
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aliens and stuff like that.
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The reason why I'm saying we'll talk about that later is because Brother Mardis
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brings up later on when he gets into aliens, you know what you see?
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What was the imagery in the 50s and the 60s every time you saw black and white films with UFOs?
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It's always women being attractive women.
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Attractive woman, half naked, being abducted by aliens of some sort.
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Interesting. Yeah. Anyway. Very interesting. So, that's what I'm saying. It's a reoccurrence.
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Jesus Christ even said, look, if you want to know what the last days are going
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to be like, they're going to be like the days of Noah.
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Yeah. What was the most significant prominent transgression in the days of Noah
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was the sons of God with the daughters of Noah. Intermittent. Yeah.
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Yeah. And now we're getting another variant of that. Oh, yeah.
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That activity today. And that's where, you know, when we talk about,
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and that's why there's a lot of new ageism, occultism, witchcraft,
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a lot of that stuff is connected with alien cult. Going back to alien hybrids
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and stuff like that. I mean, there you go. That's the story right there.
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And it is a cult, believe it or not. It's a cult. Yeah, I believe it.
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And just really quickly, you know, you mentioned like the godly line of Seth.
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Why do you think that view is so pervasive, especially in the fundamentalist circles today?
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Well, because the first note Bible that ever was published was the Schofield Note Bible.
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It became the predominant Bible of fundamentalism in the early 50s,
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okay? So, it was a very significant study Bible.
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And he's the one that created—and Brother Martyrs actually has a great section
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where he covers the Schofield error and talks about it in depth.
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And that's probably, and I don't want to, because I'm going to tell you,
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to this day, the Schofield Bible is probably one of the best studied Bibles
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that you can pick up. Yeah, 100%. You know? That's really good.
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To me, it's the second best.
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So if you were to pick up, but he probably, he has about four or five mistakes out of his entire,
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I mean, talking about thousands of cross-references, he has about four or five
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theological mistakes that I would have a problem with.
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But you know what? Four or five mistakes out of thousands and thousands of notes
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actually isn't that bad.
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But you got to know your Bible and you got to know.
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So he makes a mistake and he says this, that the angels of heaven,
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he goes back to when Jesus Christ is talking to the Sadducees.
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The Sadducees are challenging with Jesus Christ with the woman who's married to a husband.
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Husband dies and she marries all other seven brothers.
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And they challenge and say, well, who's going to be your husband in the resurrection?
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And that's when Jesus says, you do err not knowing the scriptures,
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knowing the power of God.
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The angels are not given into marriage.
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It doesn't say they cannot reproduce.
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It doesn't say they're on earth. It says the angels in heaven.
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We just told you that angels can be in heaven. They can be in the second heaven
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or they can be on earth or they can be in hell.
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You see what I mean? That's why, remember what Jeffrey Dardis said at the beginning of the chapter?
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Distinctions. If you do not pay attention to distinctions, you're going to run into errors.
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That's why most fundamentalists, most people that are shallow in their Bible
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study, the reason why they're not dispensational is because they fail to identify
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and notice the distinctions.
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Okay? The hypers, the hyper-dispensationalists fail to see the parallels and the generalities.
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That's the error. You got two
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ditches. So the Bible believer needs to be balanced right in the middle.
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You need to be able to identify the broad principles and the broad generalities,
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but you also need to be able to just distinguish those minute details and the distinction.
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Hey, everyone, Alan here. As you can imagine, as comprehensive a topic that
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we're talking about, this started to go a little bit long, so we thought it
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best to maybe split this episode into two parts.
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So we just covered only the three classes of life ending at the angels just now.
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We still have four more to go.
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So we're going to go ahead and drop the next episode, or at least the continuation
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of this episode, around the new year, where we'll get to complete the four classes of life.
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So there's just a lot to talk about when it comes to angeology.
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Obviously, it goes beyond angels when it comes to different classes of life,
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and it's going to give us a good foundation to broaden our discussion and make
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it easier to understand as we cover some of the different topics around this.
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So I hope that you all that are listening, that you are as fascinated as we
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are around these topics and how amazing the Word of God is as we begin to dive deeper into it.
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So with that, we'll go ahead and close it up here.
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I look forward to our next continuation of this episode to drop here in the next week.
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And Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, and we'll see you on the next one.