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FOP Pres Ken Kober - Cameras in parking lots · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Station. 848 at 55 KRC, the talk station. Happy Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Listener Lunch Wednesday, next Wednesday at Jim and Jackson on
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  Speaker 1: the River, last one before the election. I hope to
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  Speaker 1: see you there. And Ken Kober, FOP president, returns to
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  Speaker 1: the 55 KRC morning show to get his reaction to
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  Speaker 1: the just brilliant solution. Here, let me pull the tongue
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  Speaker 1: out of my cheek, to require private parking lot owners
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  Speaker 1: and garage owners to install cameras or hire security guards
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  Speaker 1: 24-7 because people break into cars and sometimes steal firearms.
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  Speaker 1: It was reported that about 350 firearms were stolen from automobiles, including,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, three from Charmaine McGuffey's driveway in her automobiles.
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  Speaker 1: But more fundamentally, that they are stolen in parking garages.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Kober, FOP president, God bless you and the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, but What's your reaction to this idea? I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was kind of stupid and expensive and probably
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  Speaker 1: will cause the price of parking to go up, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to solve the problem. Your take,
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  Speaker 1: Ken Kober.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian. I appreciate you having me. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: why are we punishing business owners because of crime in Cincinnati?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what's really alarming about all this, and I
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  Speaker 2: saw some of the quotes from some of the council members,
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  Speaker 2: is that At what point do we decide that the
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  Speaker 2: deterrent is going to be that they're held accountable for
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  Speaker 2: their actions instead of punishing business owners? It just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make any sense. Not once has a city leader ever
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  Speaker 2: stood up and said, you know what? We need the
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  Speaker 2: courts to do their job. We need them to do
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  Speaker 2: their part. We need to make sure that these violent offenders,
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  Speaker 2: these people doing all these things, that they're held accountable.
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  Speaker 2: But in fact, it's the exact opposite. It's we're going
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  Speaker 2: to blame everybody but the criminal. for their behavior. And it's,
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame these business owners for, for being upset.
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  Speaker 2: They should be. I think it's absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it is. And I agree with your point wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to presume that a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: guns that are stolen, if you find them, or if
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  Speaker 1: you catch them, that the crime or the gun is
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  Speaker 1: being stolen by a juvenile. Is that safe to say,
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  Speaker 1: or is that maybe an overstatement?
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  Speaker 2: Um, I mean, it's typically juveniles, but a perfect example
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  Speaker 2: was the last Bengals home game. Um, A SWAT response
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  Speaker 2: team officer confronts two people. They arrest them both, of course,
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  Speaker 2: after they resist arrest. Both of them have stolen firearms.
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  Speaker 2: Both of them go to court the next morning. They're
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  Speaker 2: both adults. Go to court the next morning. Both of
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  Speaker 2: them get OR bonds. You wonder why we have a
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  Speaker 2: problem with gun violence, and this is exactly it. There
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  Speaker 2: are no consequences for breaking the law. There's no consequences
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  Speaker 2: for having stolen firearms. We just give you an OR bond,
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  Speaker 2: and you're out the door. But, you know, we want
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  Speaker 2: business owners to do all these things, and if we don't,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to punish you, and we're going to make
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  Speaker 2: you do things to try to make it harder for them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the frustrating part about this, and I hear you
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  Speaker 1: all day long, there are consequences. That's why the law
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  Speaker 1: is on the books. That's why it carries with it
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  Speaker 1: a penalty within a range of, say, a monetary fine
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  Speaker 1: plus a prison sentence between something and something. It's right there.
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  Speaker 1: You need someone who is willing to meet the punishment
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  Speaker 1: out on the person standing in front of them. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for a... All elected officials downtown, they would love to
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  Speaker 1: be able to scoop up every damn gun around. They
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  Speaker 1: hate the Second Amendment. They always complain about gun violence,
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  Speaker 1: gun violence, gun violence. And here's something they can do
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  Speaker 1: quickly and easily, put in place a policy where judges
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  Speaker 1: will hold people accountable for using firearms. Simple, practical solution
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  Speaker 1: that will work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, believe me, it is beyond frustrating for
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  Speaker 2: these officers to see this. But if they think that
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  Speaker 2: putting cameras up are going to prevent people from stealing guns,
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  Speaker 2: they're nuts. Because these people that are out there that
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  Speaker 2: are being so brazen that they're doing these things, they
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  Speaker 2: don't fear consequences. They don't care if it's on camera
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  Speaker 2: or not.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to give me an OR bond.
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  Speaker 2: What do I care if it's on camera?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's lit out.
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  Speaker 2: Good. There's good lighting for them to be able to
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  Speaker 2: see my face. That way, when I walk into court,
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  Speaker 2: I get an OR bond.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's funny because that was Joe Strecker's response
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  Speaker 1: to me when I said that, you know, if there's
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  Speaker 1: a camera there, the kids have caught on to the
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  Speaker 1: idea you just wear a mask. Which also leads to
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  Speaker 1: the next question. Okay, they got a mask on. They
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  Speaker 1: don't care. It's on video camera. Do the private property
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  Speaker 1: owners who have had to use their own personal funds
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  Speaker 1: to buy their own property, in this particular case, cameras,
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  Speaker 1: are they obligated to keep video evidence and keep it
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  Speaker 1: for some period of time? Are they obligated to hand
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  Speaker 1: it over to, oh, I don't know, law enforcement or
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  Speaker 1: public officials? Can public officials or law enforcement even force
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  Speaker 1: a private property owner to hand over their property, which
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  Speaker 1: would then include video evidence from whatever video has been
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  Speaker 1: taken into the parking lot. I don't think they can.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, the only way that they can be
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  Speaker 2: compelled to do it is if they have a search
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  Speaker 2: warrant from a judge. Yeah. But now we do understand
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  Speaker 2: that the vast majority of businesses in Cincinnati want to
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  Speaker 2: be good stewards of their property. They want to help
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  Speaker 2: the police and they will give them that footage. But
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  Speaker 2: the reality is you can have all the footage in
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  Speaker 2: the world, You know, if we're not holding these people accountable,
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  Speaker 2: none of it matters. It really doesn't matter. And then
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  Speaker 2: you have people that are complaining about– the same people
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  Speaker 2: that are complaining about flock cameras and these ALPRs are
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  Speaker 2: now going, no, no, no, we need more cameras. We
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  Speaker 2: need more cameras out here. So which one is it?
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  Speaker 1: Excellent point. Made that same point the other day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: flock bad, but these cameras good. Yeah. Elected officials are
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  Speaker 1: adamant that local municipalities and townships and governmental entities get
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  Speaker 1: rid of flawed cameras. And then this next breath, they
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  Speaker 1: pass legislation requiring the private installation of cameras. You can't
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  Speaker 1: reconcile any of this, Ken. And ultimately, the big point here, cameras,
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  Speaker 1: no cameras. If you have the evidence and you have
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  Speaker 1: a case that you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt
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  Speaker 1: and take it in front of a woke judge who's
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  Speaker 1: not going to mete out punishment, you know where you
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  Speaker 1: end up. Criminal back out on the street with own
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  Speaker 1: recognizance bond on initial arrest, then ultimately after trial or hearing,
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  Speaker 1: back on the street with really no penalty. Juice and
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  Speaker 1: a cookie, Ken.
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  Speaker 2: That's the end result. Unfortunately, it's the cycle that we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing daily here in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's put an exclamation point on this, Ken. After
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  Speaker 1: we talk about this and come up with all the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why and wherefores, we've got a November election coming up.
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  Speaker 1: People can start voting next Tuesday. I think people should
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to the judicial races and not, well, Vote
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  Speaker 1: Judge Bloom, for example, back on the bench and choose
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  Speaker 1: perhaps Magistrate Lucan over that because we know she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be tougher on crime. That's a possible solution that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to wait for politicians to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, the members just voted on Monday to endorse
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lucan for juvenile court judge. You look at all
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  Speaker 2: of the judges that the 1900 Club for the FOP endorsed.
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  Speaker 2: Every single one of those judges are law and order judges.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they were picked to be endorsed.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And if you hear what Corey Bowman has said,
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Smith said it time and time again, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure your personal encounters on the street and the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: Police Department's encounters on the street suggest, in spite of
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  Speaker 1: the shouts of defund police and get the police out
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  Speaker 1: of our neighborhood, the vast majority of neighborhoods want police
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  Speaker 1: and they want criminals dealt with properly in the judicial system.
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  Speaker 1: And that means punishment. That's what people want. That's what
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  Speaker 1: people need to vote for. Look, the GOP or the... Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm stumbling over my words this morning. The police department
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  Speaker 1: endorsed these judges, so get back law enforcement. Back yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Fix your neighborhood. Vote for the right judges. Sorry for
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  Speaker 1: the rambling, Ken. It's just all backed up in my
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  Speaker 1: brain this morning, but I think folks get the point,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't thank you enough for what you do
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  Speaker 1: each and every day and for joining the morning show
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  Speaker 1: to react to that ridiculous proposal.
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  Speaker 2: No, sure. I appreciate you having me. It never ceases
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  Speaker 2: to amaze me the things that city leaders will do
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  Speaker 2: that just divert attention from what we should be focusing on,
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  Speaker 2: which is making sure we hold criminals accountable because then
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  Speaker 2: they're less likely to commit a crime. But no, instead
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  Speaker 2: we're going to put up, we're going to force businesses,
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  Speaker 2: private businesses to put up cameras and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: have them put up lighting. It's just that the lunacy continues.
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  Speaker 1: It does. That's why we have to get out and vote.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do this again sometime real soon. Ken, best of
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  Speaker 1: health and safety to you and all members of law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: God bless the police officers that protect and serve. Ken Cobert,
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  Speaker 1: good to have you on. 856 right now. Big picture
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  Speaker 1: with Jack Evans, Rome from republic to dictatorship.