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Political Engagement for Christians with Jeff Samelson & The Great Tech Reset with Arlene Pellicane · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its curling crew.
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  S1: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S1: impossible and live. As you never imagined delivering the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S5: Oh my goodness. You see the fandom of this guy
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  S5: who walked in here this morning. I'm just commenting on
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  S5: it now. But my goodness, head to toe. We've got
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  S5: a jersey, we've got an Overshirt and we've got a
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  S5: hat or a beanie hat that says duh bears.
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  S3: It is just a headband. The top of my head
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  S3: is exposed. Yes, my boy, my Mike Ditka headband. Uh,
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  S3: my Hawaiian bear shirt and my jersey. I did consider my, uh,
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  S3: my Chicago Bears dress socks, but no one could see those.
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  S3: I figured I'll just leave those at home.
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  S5: You have Chicago Bears dress socks?
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  S3: I do, yeah. Wow. I'm set. I'm ready to go.
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  S6: He's a he's a super fan.
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  S3: That's right. My dressing up is directly affected to them
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  S3: winning or not. So I have to. It's a requirement.
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  S4: Of course it is.
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  S5: She actually does not believe that.
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  S3: No, of course not.
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  S4: No.
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  S5: I mean, that's getting into horoscope stuff, man.
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  S3: That's crazy. No, that ain't me. But I am gonna
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  S3: sit there like this, uh, tonight.
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  S5: No. Fandom's. Great.
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  S3: Yeah. While holding my little eight week old. You know,
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  S3: she's gonna watch the game with me.
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  S5: So, you know, the elders got me for a gift
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  S5: about a year ago.
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  S3: Was that.
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  S5: Really cool? They got me a limited edition signed photo
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  S5: of Joe Montana.
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  S3: Oh that's awesome.
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  S4: Oh, sweet.
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  S3: Very cool.
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  S5: Yeah. So you need to know when I was, you know,
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  S5: what was it? 70s. 80s. Their big run was 70. Yeah. 70s. 80s.
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  S5: Late 70s.
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  S3: Early 80s. 80s.
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  S5: Yeah. I think Joe showed up there late 70s. Maybe.
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  S5: Maybe it was 80s. But they so dominated the world of.
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  S3: Football they did.
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  S5: For so long for.
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  S3: Super.
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  S5: Bowls. It was. And when they started to wane, it's like, oh, no.
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  S5: That's like it's it's it's akin to when I used
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  S5: to fly all the time because I flew so much,
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  S5: I was always up in the front. And then I
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  S5: lost my gold status because I didn't fly as much.
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  S5: And then I'm back in coach and I'm like, oh boy.
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  S5: And that was very similar emotion when the 49 ers
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  S5: started becoming more of a normal team.
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  S2: Back of the plane.
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  S5: Back of the planes.
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  S3: I'm on the opposite end of that spectrum where I've
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  S3: really not known much other than a bad football team.
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  S3: And I'm like.
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  S5: Is it true you used to be a 40 niner
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  S5: fan when you were in Central Cal?
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  S3: Yeah, but I was like six. And so and, and actually,
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  S3: I don't think they were all that good back then.
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  S3: And so.
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  S5: Steve Young, when you were a pup.
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  S3: Yeah. But I don't remember anything. Okay.
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  S5: So you can't remember, but they were good.
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  S3: Trust me. Okay, I'll take that.
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  S5: But your dad was giddy.
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  S3: Yeah. For sure. And and so now I feel like
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  S3: I got moved to the front of the plane, and
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  S3: I'm like, whoa. My team actually wants to do well.
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  S3: They're not trading off all their players right about now.
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  S3: This is awesome. So I feel good.
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  S5: Our coach, you know, they say there's a hair between
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  S5: genius and insanity. That's our coach Ben Johnson. Yeah. He's
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  S5: right there on that hair.
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  S3: I do.
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  S5: Think.
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  S3: He he teeter totters over sometimes.
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  S5: He is a nutcase, man. Yeah. Absolute nutcase.
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  S3: I do wonder sometimes, do you have to be a
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  S3: maniac to be a really good coach in the NFL?
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  S5: You know, that's an interesting question. I think the answer
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  S5: is no, because Bill Walsh wasn't a maniac. That's true.
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  S5: Now he's a maniac in his own way.
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  S3: Sure. Yeah, there's. Yeah, there's different spectrums of maniac.
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  S5: Yeah. There is. What do you think, Ali? Basketball coach.
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  S5: You have to be a little bit crazy.
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  S6: Um.
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  S4: Eccentric.
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  S6: I mean, I'm married to a basketball coach.
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  S5: Yes you are.
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  S6: I have to be careful here. No, I mean, you
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  S6: have to be. There's a certain level.
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  S5: She called you crazy without saying it.
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  S6: There's a certain level of of passion and enthusiasm you
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  S6: have to have. For sure. For sure. So that for
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  S6: some people, depending on your personality type, like so Carl
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  S6: and then and take this the right way. I think
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  S6: if you were a coach of a sport, I think
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  S6: like you, your level of enthusiasm and your personality, you
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  S6: would probably be fired up on the sidelines. Like that
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  S6: would probably be more your vibe because that's your personality.
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  S5: Actually, I'd be really calm and collected.
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  S6: You think so?
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  S4: No, no.
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  S5: Are you kidding me? No.
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  S6: You say wait, I.
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  S4: Know.
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  S5: Who's the old dude that coach Pete Carroll. Um.
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  S3: Oh, you'd.
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  S5: Be coaching or did he?
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  S3: No, he's oh, I don't know if he officially retired,
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  S3: but he's not he's not the coach of a team
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  S3: right now. But yes you are. Pete Carroll that is correct.
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  S5: Yeah. Pete Carroll.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S3: Running up and down the sidelines chewing gum.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S3: Media screaming into your headset. Jumping up and down. That
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  S3: is 100. That is perfect. That's actually the perfect analogy.
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  S3: Go watch Pete Carroll on the sideline and you'll know
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  S3: that that's Carl.
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  S6: Yeah. So maybe a little a little bit of crazy
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  S6: to be a good coach. Yeah a little bit. You
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  S6: got to fire. You got to be able to fire
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  S6: up the troops. Inspire them. Yeah.
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  S5: But I learned one thing in our zero eight season
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  S5: with my first youth soccer team, I coached, I learned
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  S5: that pure inspiration. Can't cut it. No, no, you got
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  S5: to do some off season training. Yeah, because they got
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  S5: to know this is a soccer ball. That is the net.
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  S5: And no, that's the opposing team's net. We don't go
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  S5: that way. That's our net that we're defending. You keep
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  S5: it away from there.
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  S3: Got to go back to the basics.
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  S4: Let it go in.
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  S3: Well, I was I was reading something. Speaking of Ben Johnson,
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  S3: I was reading about him before the season started.
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  S5: Here we go.
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  S3: He had.
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  S5: Someone bumped this.
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  S3: Up.
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  S5: And what would spill out?
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  S3: He had he had someone like spend a reporter, spend
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  S3: a day with him and he was like, yeah, when
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  S3: the season starts, I'll probably get around four hours of
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  S3: sleep a night. And, uh, and he's like, I usually
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  S3: do six cups of coffee and a cold brew to
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  S3: keep me going so I can, you know, keep up
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  S3: with the schedule. And he gets there at like five
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  S3: in the morning to do a workout on his own
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  S3: by himself. And then, and then he goes and coaches
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  S3: the team and he stays there til like, I don't know,
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  S3: 11:00 at night to watch tape. That's crazy.
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  S5: Yeah. It's not it's that's a, you know, I'm not
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  S5: a big fan of work life balance. I find that
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  S5: most people talk about that that talk about that don't
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  S5: work really hard. Sorry. But every time I hear work
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  S5: life balance, it comes out of the mouth of someone
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  S5: who just sometimes needs to maybe hunker down at work
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  S5: a little harder. Is that bad for me to say?
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  S6: It's a hot take.
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  S7: Hot take.
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  S5: That's that's a hot take.
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  S3: Thanks, al. You'll never hear me talking about work life balance.
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  S5: I know.
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  S6: Note to self.
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  S3: Good to know.
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  S5: No. So let me counter that. There is. There is.
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  S5: It is appropriate at times.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S5: For people to say that. And they need that.
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  S3: Yeah. Because there's certainly the thing of not work life
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  S3: balance and it's all just work or it's all exactly right.
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  S5: That's exactly right. We better move along before I get
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  S5: myself in trouble here.
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  S4: I think that's fair.
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  S5: If you are a crazy fan, I mean, you are
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  S5: a crazy fan of some team anywhere. It could be
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  S5: kids soccer. Oh, yeah. It could be baseball. Football, basketball
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  S5: could be hockey. Although if you're a Blackhawks fan, you're.
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  S5: You're craziness is for another reason.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S3: You're made crazy.
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  S5: There's mutiny. Man, they're putting bags over heads in the
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  S5: stands right now.
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  S7: Oh, no it's not.
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  S3: I love when they do that. It's always really.
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  S7: Funny.
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  S3: To see on TV.
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  S5: The Bulls fans are about to break out the bags
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  S5: over their heads.
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  S3: Pretty close for the Bulls, too.
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  S6: It's Chicago. Let's go bears!
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  S3: The bears keep us going.
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  S1: Carl and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
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  S5: So who's going to win this war? The phone in
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  S5: our hand or the person holding it? Who's going to
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  S5: win this war? Ali.
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  S6: My goodness. It's a battle every day for many, many,
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  S6: many of us of all ages. That device that screams
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  S6: out to you, or maybe you don't have the device
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  S6: in your hand, but you've got the device in front
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  S6: of you on a desk, on a bookshelf. The screens
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  S6: are everywhere, and it feels like they're taking over our lives.
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  S5: Yeah, this is not a small thing. No, I mean,
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  S5: we're laughing about it, but it is. It's big time.
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  S5: And every Sunday morning I have the opportunity to see
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  S5: my screen usage. You get that alert to Ali.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: Last week you averaged this amount of time. Why does
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  S6: it come in on Sunday mornings? Getting that in church
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  S6: feels real discouraging.
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  S3: So you can get right with God about it.
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  S5: I'm telling you, man, it comes to me 30 minutes
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  S5: every week before our service kicks off.
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  S7: Yeah. Yep.
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  S5: Arlene, do you get those notifications?
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  S8: I was afraid that you would ask. I guess I
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  S8: mostly ignore them.
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  S7: Oh, good.
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  S8: I mostly am just, like, ignore. And then I'll look
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  S8: at them and then I'll be like, let me see. Like,
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  S8: is that because I my kids will tell me, mom,
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  S8: tap your phone off. Like when you're like listening to
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  S8: a podcast, they'll be like, tap it off or else
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  S8: they'll count that as your time.
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  S7: Oh, really?
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  S5: I didn't know that. So you can, you can get
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  S5: a more honest.
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  S8: I don't do I don't do any of those things.
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  S8: I just like let it go. Yes.
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  S5: So let's get honest here. You're you're you're helping parents
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  S5: with this. It's a big malady. Do you sometimes look
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  S5: at things that you can sharpen up on in your
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  S5: life with regard to tech usage?
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  S7: Absolutely. You do.
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  S8: Yeah.
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  S5: You're human. You're normal.
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  S8: And all of us, I'm normal. All of us have
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  S8: a tendency, right? We love to look at sports. We
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  S8: use it to escape. We use it when we're bored.
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  S8: We do it instead of eating whatever it is. Like
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  S8: we have a thing that we do. Mine is compulsive working.
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  S8: Like I always want to get ahead. So I always
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  S8: want to see like, oh, it's 8:00 at night. Maybe
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  S8: someone has emailed me and I need to respond to
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  S8: them right now. Like, who wants to have me on
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  S8: tomorrow morning? You know, whatever. So I'll check for those
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  S8: kinds of things. And then my husband after dinner will
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  S8: be like, uh, if you could turn the computer off,
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  S8: that would be great. And I'll be thinking, well, my
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  S8: daughter's doing homework and you're doing something, so why can't
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  S8: I get ahead on tomorrow? You know? So so that's
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  S8: my crutch is let me just use it a little
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  S8: bit more and get to someone in a very timely manner.
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  S8: And it sounds so great. But whatever it is, you're
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  S8: stealing time away from rest. Just like being present. You
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  S8: know all those things.
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  S6: Arlene Peloquin, our guest. She is a regular here on
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  S6: Carl and crew speaker, author, host of the Happy Home podcast.
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  S6: Her latest book is called The Great Tech Reset Reclaiming
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  S6: Real Life for Christian Families. I had one sent to
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  S6: my house and my daughter looked at it, sitting on
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  S6: the table in the living room, and she's like, mom,
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  S6: what is this?
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  S7: What is this? This is propaganda.
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  S5: This is a thread.
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  S7: That is coming to the house. We have a visual
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  S7: threat on the coffee table.
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  S5: It's a threat to my teenagedom.
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  S6: They get nervous when I start reading these books because
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  S6: it means a change might be coming. Let's. Let's talk
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  S6: about this. Because for so many families, my own included,
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  S6: some of the biggest battles that are are waged within
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  S6: the home are over screens. How to manage them, the
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  S6: appropriate and inappropriate times to use them. The attention span
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  S6: that often seems to be pulled toward the screen and
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  S6: not toward mom's voice, who's saying, dinner's ready? Dinner's ready.
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  S6: Do you hear me? Dinner's ready. This is a battle
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  S6: in homes across America.
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  S8: Yeah, it really is. And the book, The Great Tech
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  S8: Reset Reclaiming real life for Christian families. This is for
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  S8: families at every stage. So if you have like, a
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  S8: two year old and you're looking around like, wait, something
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  S8: is off, like this whole. Why are so many teenagers struggling?
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  S8: Why are they looking down all the time? Why aren't
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  S8: there no kids playing in the neighborhood? Like you have
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  S8: these young kids and you can chart a reset forward
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  S8: and I really think you won't be alone. Like, I
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  S8: think there will be other families. I'm not a I
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  S8: don't live in the clouds. I understand 100% of people
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  S8: who read this book are going to say, oh my word,
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  S8: I didn't know. No more video games, no social media.
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  S8: You can't have a phone 2 or 30. I get it.
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  S8: But let's.
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  S7: Say.
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  S8: 20%, let's say 20% of people said, you know what,
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  S8: I'm going to wait until you're at least 16 or
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  S8: at least 18 before letting you have your own personal
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  S8: addiction device. Right. To, to let your brain have more
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  S8: time to form. I'm going to do that. If, if
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  S8: just a little bit amount of people did that, that
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  S8: would be this huge tipping point of a great reset
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  S8: because kids themselves, teenagers, like when they're surveyed, like half
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  S8: of them will say, I wish that social media was
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  S8: never invented. I wish that TikTok was never invented. So
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  S8: we know something isn't right with these things. And then
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  S8: if you have teenagers and they're on it all the time,
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  S8: then it's, hey, let's reclaim, let's get dinner back. Let's
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  S8: get a Sunday back where in the afternoon we throw
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  S8: a football around instead of just laying around the house.
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  S8: There are areas that you can still reclaim and do.
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  S8: So this book is really for everyone, and it's not
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  S8: a book of guilt. It's a book of assessment, a
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  S8: book of knowledge, and really a book of power so
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  S8: that you can say, wow, I am not powerless as
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  S8: a parent. I can do something. And obviously with the
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  S8: Holy Spirit, you can do a whole lot.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: Arlene, we did an interesting. It wasn't intended to be
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  S6: an experiment, but it ended up sort of being one
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  S6: for our son, who's 14 and was now starting to
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  S6: do more things away from home. So we thought, okay,
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  S6: of limited use of phone for when you're not with us.
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  S6: And so when I initially let him have access to
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  S6: this phone, I, I tried to set up all of
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  S6: the parameters, but failed to block some of the ones
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  S6: that were most attractive to him. So after about a
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  S6: week of noticing he couldn't put this thing down, I said, clearly,
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  S6: I have, I have not had this set up properly.
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  S6: So I took it back and I got everything blocked
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  S6: successfully so that it's only used for phone, actual telephone,
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  S6: and he can receive texts from his friends. And I
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  S6: noticed within a week that phone was lost. He didn't
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  S6: know where it was. For days we had to scour
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  S6: the house. So the thing that he couldn't put down
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  S6: for the week, that it had some portals open. When
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  S6: it became simply a phone, he couldn't find it. It
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  S6: was no longer interesting to him. So we're like, well,
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  S6: this is kind of defeats the purpose.
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  S8: This is such a perfect example. Thank you so much
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  S8: for that. Because the question is, you know, what does
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  S8: my child need this for? And what our children will
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  S8: get us to do is we'll get the need. Okay,
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  S8: you can phone me, you can text your friends, but
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  S8: then they get all this other stuff bundled in. That
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  S8: is really what they don't need. And you discovered that
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  S8: really quickly.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S5: My concern, Arlene, is theological. And let me explain. And
• 15:25
  S5: I want you to interact with this. Yeah. Because my
• 15:28
  S5: great concern is people listening are going to say, by golly,
• 15:33
  S5: by gum, that's about as edgy as my dad got.
• 15:37
  S5: By golly, by gum, I'm going to get this fixed.
• 15:41
  S5: The problem is, is that apart from the grace of God,
• 15:44
  S5: I'm going. Titus 21211 and 12, the grace of God
• 15:50
  S5: saves us and trains us. So the grace of God.
• 15:54
  S5: Here's my concern. We do it in our strength. And
• 15:57
  S5: this is what Scripture is clear about. The grace of
• 16:00
  S5: God trains us to renounce ungodliness, worldly passions. This would
• 16:05
  S5: fall in that category and to live self-controlled, godly lives
• 16:09
  S5: in this present age. If we try to do this
• 16:13
  S5: in our strength, I'm. I know I'm sounding all theological
• 16:19
  S5: about this, but there's nothing more practical than good theological
• 16:24
  S5: reference points. I need you to pour out your heart
• 16:28
  S5: about how this has to be done with contriteness and
• 16:31
  S5: dependence on the Holy Spirit here. Arlene. Yeah.
• 16:34
  S8: And this starts with the parent, because to be honest, Carl,
• 16:37
  S8: I don't expect my a five year old.
• 16:40
  S7: To.
• 16:40
  S8: A ten year old, you know, to be like, let
• 16:42
  S8: me be contrite before God and my heart be broken
• 16:45
  S8: out before him, and let me renounce this thing that's
• 16:48
  S8: teaching me to steal and lie and make myself big
• 16:50
  S8: instead of being humble, you know? So for the parent,
• 16:54
  S8: it's us that's like, Lord, I am supposed to train
• 16:57
  S8: my child to godliness. I'm supposed to give them a
• 17:00
  S8: taste for God that makes them want more of God.
• 17:04
  S8: But when they're on their device, they're getting the absolute opposite.
• 17:07
  S8: Instead of unity, they're being taught to pick a side
• 17:11
  S8: instead of humility serving one another. They're taught like, you know, hey, like,
• 17:16
  S8: disparage that person, talk bad about that person so you
• 17:18
  S8: can look better. I mean, they're being taught all the
• 17:21
  S8: opposite values. So as a parent, it is your right.
• 17:24
  S8: It is Holy Spirit. I've, I've dropped the ball here
• 17:28
  S8: as everyone has. And I need you to come and
• 17:32
  S8: do this complete supernatural intervention at home. And it begins
• 17:36
  S8: with me. So it looks like a dad at the
• 17:39
  S8: dinner table saying, you guys, we have been really distracted,
• 17:43
  S8: all of us, including me. And I'm realizing our hearts
• 17:46
  S8: are shifting away from God. And instead we're looking at news, sports, shopping,
• 17:51
  S8: you know, all these things, the things of the world
• 17:53
  S8: that are not they need to grow strangely dim. And
• 17:55
  S8: it's got to start with me. So guys, I'm going
• 17:57
  S8: to put my phone on the shelf for dinner, and
• 18:00
  S8: I want you guys to do the same. I invite
• 18:02
  S8: you to do the same. And I'm really sorry about that.
• 18:04
  S8: And then you share like one scripture, like it does
• 18:07
  S8: not have to become like, oh my word, my dad,
• 18:09
  S8: what happened to him? But then you just share, you know,
• 18:11
  S8: here's one Bible verse that I've been wrestling with and
• 18:14
  S8: just want to tell you guys and that's it. And
• 18:16
  S8: it's just this small change that says, hey guys, we
• 18:18
  S8: need to do this little thing. And then to be honest,
• 18:21
  S8: the other thing is we have to work in tandem
• 18:24
  S8: with the Holy Spirit. So if we are contrite, we
• 18:27
  S8: are like, let's say we're trying to lose weight and
• 18:28
  S8: we've got the right attitude and we're praying, but our
• 18:31
  S8: fridge is like full of all junk food, right? And
• 18:35
  S8: our table has hostess all over it. Sorry, hostess, but
• 18:38
  S8: it's got Ding dongs and cupcakes and everything, and we're like,
• 18:40
  S8: Holy Spirit, we need you. You know, we're the Holy
• 18:43
  S8: Spirit's like, if you can help me out a little bit,
• 18:45
  S8: that'd be great. So for us, we also have to
• 18:48
  S8: think about environment that if we're going to be broken
• 18:51
  S8: and contrite, it's like the idol, right? It's like, oh,
• 18:53
  S8: I need to take this idol out of my house.
• 18:56
  S8: Like the Israelites, like, oh, I've got this big idol
• 18:58
  S8: in my house. Yeah. If I'm really broken and contrite,
• 19:02
  S8: I'm going to take out the thing that is hurting
• 19:05
  S8: my child. So whether that means taking back a phone,
• 19:07
  S8: taking away a video game, you've got to make the
• 19:09
  S8: environment work with you as well.
• 19:12
  S5: Well, just a chapter and verse. You hear you're right
• 19:14
  S5: on the high places of Israel where Asherah, Poles and
• 19:18
  S5: Baal worship was going on. They didn't just say, we
• 19:21
  S5: can't do that. They removed those from the high places
• 19:25
  S5: and we've got to do the same. Yeah. Okay. We
• 19:28
  S5: got the Amen choir going here. Allie, throw her a curveball,
• 19:31
  S5: would you?
• 19:31
  S6: Arleen, this isn't a curveball because I think you've mentioned
• 19:35
  S6: this before, but I think is so important to emphasize
• 19:37
  S6: because there's a lot of there's some pain attached to
• 19:41
  S6: taking away anything or reducing the use of anything that's
• 19:44
  S6: become addictive. And for many people of children and adults alike,
• 19:48
  S6: there's an addictive quality to this. But you like to
• 19:52
  S6: give the bigger. Yes. So we're not just saying, okay, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:56
  S6: Technology's bad. What should we be saying yes to instead?
• 20:02
  S8: Yes. So you're trying to instill in your children when
• 20:04
  S8: they're really young, hey, we're not going to do these things.
• 20:08
  S8: Sit on the couch with a tablet for hours because
• 20:11
  S8: we're going to teach you how to ride a bike.
• 20:13
  S8: You're going to play baseball. You're going to draw. We're
• 20:15
  S8: going to get a dog. You know, there are things
• 20:17
  S8: in your life that we're going to give you real things.
• 20:21
  S8: And so for little kids, that's what that looks like,
• 20:23
  S8: that they're engaging in real life and that's really good
• 20:25
  S8: for them. Like one of I talk about the A, B, C,
• 20:28
  S8: D harms in the phone in the book, the great
• 20:30
  S8: tech reset because I want us to not just say, oh,
• 20:32
  S8: this thing is bad. I want us to be able
• 20:35
  S8: to explain to a child, this is why it's bad.
• 20:37
  S8: It's a an anxiety amplifier. Be a bad babysitter, see
• 20:41
  S8: a childhood killer and be a dopamine dealer. And you know,
• 20:45
  S8: the book will get into all those things. And instead,
• 20:47
  S8: we're giving you freedom. Freedom from addiction. We're giving you
• 20:51
  S8: instead of social media, when you grow up into a
• 20:53
  S8: teenager telling you who you are, we're going to give
• 20:57
  S8: you space and boredom and free time so you can
• 21:00
  S8: discover from God Almighty your Heavenly Father, who you really are,
• 21:04
  S8: so you can try different things and realize, oh my word,
• 21:06
  S8: I'm so not a doctor. I hate stuff like that.
• 21:08
  S8: I'm so not this. Oh, I love this. I'm an artist. Oh,
• 21:12
  S8: I love this. I'm an engineer. How do you know that?
• 21:15
  S8: From trying things. So that's the bigger. Yes. Is child
• 21:19
  S8: of mine. We love you. We want you to grow
• 21:21
  S8: in people skills. So someday you could fall in love
• 21:23
  S8: and get married and have children and have a have
• 21:26
  S8: not grow up alone. How are you going to do that?
• 21:29
  S8: You've got to look at people and you got to
• 21:31
  S8: talk to them, not chatbots people. So these are these
• 21:35
  S8: are the things that are the greater. Yes. That are
• 21:36
  S8: really going to set up your child to flourish in life.
• 21:40
  S8: Not that they could sit around and game for hours.
• 21:42
  S5: Okay. Those acronyms are so powerful. Blast them out quickly
• 21:45
  S5: for us because they are powerhouse.
• 21:48
  S7: Yeah.
• 21:48
  S8: Anxiety amplifier. There's no child on earth that has begged
• 21:52
  S8: for a phone. Oh, please. I'm so left out. You know,
• 21:55
  S8: I'm being made fun of. Give me a phone. And
• 21:58
  S8: then they get the phone, and then all that disappears.
• 22:00
  S8: That amplifies. Now they're like, oh my goodness. I had
• 22:04
  S8: no idea how much people hate me. Right? So it
• 22:06
  S8: there's not a child where this reduces anxiety. A device
• 22:11
  S8: is always going to amplify anxiety. And if you were
• 22:15
  S8: scrolling on things all day that told you you need
• 22:18
  S8: to look like this, you don't perform well enough, you
• 22:21
  S8: should commit suicide. Here's a drug, here's some pornography. I mean,
• 22:25
  S8: you're going to be filled with anxiety and even just
• 22:28
  S8: being on a phone all the time instead of being
• 22:30
  S8: outside talking to people. All that anxiety amplifier, bad babysitter.
• 22:34
  S8: If my children, if I came home and the babysitter
• 22:38
  S8: had them still in their clothes, they hadn't eaten dinner.
• 22:41
  S8: They were watching a rated-r movie. There are candy wrappers
• 22:44
  S8: all around the floor. I'd be like, you are a
• 22:46
  S8: terrible babysitter and you are fired. But we'll give this
• 22:51
  S8: tablet and our kids will just sit still in front
• 22:53
  S8: of this tablet. Not eat, not shower, not do anything
• 22:57
  S8: that we want them to do. And they're watching wildly
• 22:59
  S8: inappropriate things. And somehow we invite this back because it's convenient.
• 23:02
  S8: So bad babysitter C is the childhood killer. This is
• 23:06
  S8: a big one, is that once they get that device,
• 23:09
  S8: they're not coming outside to ride bikes anymore with their friends.
• 23:13
  S8: They're not going to be like, oh, look, there's a butterfly.
• 23:15
  S8: That's so cool. They're going to be like, big deal.
• 23:17
  S8: They're going to go back and play their game. They're
• 23:20
  S8: going to stop. You know, I remember James would mow
• 23:23
  S8: the lawn and five year old Ethan, our son, would
• 23:25
  S8: be right behind him with his toy lawn mower because
• 23:28
  S8: he wanted to be with dad. He wanted to be dad, right?
• 23:30
  S8: That's childhood. That's childhood. But you put a device in
• 23:33
  S8: that kid's hand, he'd be like, you mow that lawn yourself.
• 23:36
  S8: There's no need for me to go out there. It
• 23:38
  S8: kills the connection that's formed between a parent and a child.
• 23:42
  S8: And then children and their friends, because they exchange it
• 23:46
  S8: for this electronic device. And childhood's over. And you see
• 23:49
  S8: these sixth graders in the makeup store getting all this makeup,
• 23:51
  S8: and you're like, you're in sixth grade. What's happening? It's
• 23:54
  S8: a childhood killer. And why it's a dopamine dealer that
• 23:57
  S8: once that kid gets that hit of dopamine that they
• 24:00
  S8: can't get in real life, this artificial stimulation of this
• 24:04
  S8: video game that is larger than life. And I'm saving
• 24:07
  S8: the world, you know? And then you ask the boy,
• 24:09
  S8: do some homework. Read your Bible. Help mom with the chores.
• 24:12
  S8: You're like, I'm saving the world. You know.
• 24:14
  S7: It's like.
• 24:14
  S8: The dopamine. What's going to compare to that? And who
• 24:18
  S8: calls their customers users? Drug lords and tech companies. And
• 24:23
  S8: I think this is a really good point for teenagers
• 24:26
  S8: to say you don't want to be a user. You
• 24:29
  S8: want to be an individual. Let them rebel against Silicon Valley.
• 24:33
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• 24:34
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• 24:55
  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 24:59
  S5: That took the bait.
• 25:00
  S3: Man on what?
• 25:01
  S5: I took the bait. I got an email from a
• 25:04
  S5: large bank and I mean, it was legit and it
• 25:09
  S5: was a fraud alert. Yeah. Happened two days ago. So
• 25:12
  S5: I wake up to this thing and I'm like, oh, brother.
• 25:16
  S5: And it was it was really well done. It's like,
• 25:19
  S5: call this number. And if you get those things right,
• 25:22
  S5: you get that. So I called the number, but I
• 25:25
  S5: had presence of mind. I was heading to an elders
• 25:28
  S5: meeting early and I had driving through a Starbucks to
• 25:32
  S5: get a tall Americano, which is. We're going to have
• 25:35
  S5: those things just flowing freely in the New Jerusalem. Can't wait.
• 25:39
  S4: Okay.
• 25:40
  S5: And I'm, I'm like, all right, let me make this
• 25:43
  S5: phone call. As a matter of fact, I had to
• 25:45
  S5: scan my, uh, my card to get the drink. And
• 25:50
  S5: so in the middle of the phone call, I reach out, boom,
• 25:52
  S5: pop that it's amazing how you can do two things
• 25:54
  S5: at one time when you get the call on speaker.
• 25:57
  S5: So I get the drink and about that time the
• 26:00
  S5: guy's picking up and I scan it and I and
• 26:03
  S5: he goes, hey, Bank of America, how can I help you?
• 26:07
  S5: And I said to him, you should know how you
• 26:10
  S5: can help me. You've got my phone number. He said, well,
• 26:15
  S5: tell tell me how we can help you. I said again,
• 26:20
  S5: you should know how you can help me right now.
• 26:26
  S5: And he hemmed and hawed a little bit, and then
• 26:29
  S5: he said, well, why don't you just call back? And
• 26:33
  S5: I'm like.
• 26:34
  S3: What is that?
• 26:34
  S5: Okay. And he said, could we get some information from
• 26:40
  S5: you and maybe I can help you out? And I said, no,
• 26:42
  S5: you should have all my information.
• 26:43
  S3: That's true because it is tied to your phone number
• 26:45
  S3: on these things you call in. They see your phone
• 26:47
  S3: number and all your information pops up. Yeah.
• 26:49
  S5: And, and they should have picked up with hello, you've
• 26:52
  S5: reached the fraud division of brand X, whatever it is.
• 26:57
  S5: So I said, you know what, bro? I don't think
• 27:03
  S5: you're my man. I don't think you work for this bank. Mhm.
• 27:11
  S5: So I hang up and I grabbed the phone number
• 27:14
  S5: and I run it through ChatGPT. I said, tell me something.
• 27:18
  S5: What's the history on this number? Yeah. Big time scam. Yeah.
• 27:22
  S5: It's getting a lot of people. You got to be
• 27:26
  S5: careful with this, man.
• 27:27
  S3: You do have.
• 27:27
  S9: To be careful.
• 27:28
  S6: So many of.
• 27:29
  S9: Them. And they are.
• 27:30
  S6: Definitely getting.
• 27:31
  S9: More sophisticated.
• 27:33
  S3: They use AI more targeted. Yeah.
• 27:35
  S5: I mean, they had the logo. They had the lingo.
• 27:39
  S5: It looked official. It even had some of that lowercase
• 27:42
  S5: font that gives the disclaimer thing. They had it down.
• 27:46
  S5: I mean it looked real as real can be.
• 27:48
  S3: They're tricky.
• 27:50
  S5: Guys, I don't want to freak you out, but do
• 27:51
  S5: not be just willy nilly. If you get an unsolicited
• 27:55
  S5: text or call or email.
• 28:00
  S3: Now go really slow.
• 28:02
  S5: You got to go slow and don't give information unless
• 28:05
  S5: you are dead certain. These guys are the ones that
• 28:10
  S5: you need to be talking to 100%.
• 28:11
  S9: Give information.
• 28:12
  S6: Don't click on links in emails. These are just the reminders.
• 28:16
  S6: We get these all the time at work. Oh yeah.
• 28:18
  S6: Like the trainings and the reminders word.
• 28:20
  S7: The amount of them.
• 28:21
  S10: That we get here is insane in the. And how about.
• 28:24
  S5: The ones that mimic our new president? Hey, Doctor Nelson
• 28:27
  S5: here wanting to tell you and I'm like, oh, Doctor Nelson.
• 28:30
  S5: Then you look.
• 28:30
  S4: At the HR emails. I'm like, no.
• 28:33
  S3: I mean, my my dad is the pastor of a
• 28:35
  S3: church of a, I don't know about between 70 and 100.
• 28:39
  S3: And there are scammers that will pretend to be him
• 28:42
  S3: reaching out to that small congregation that he has to
• 28:46
  S3: try to do damage control on. And like, so they,
• 28:49
  S3: they don't care. They're not just going after big people.
• 28:51
  S3: They're going after small things too. And it's, it's really crazy. Now,
• 28:54
  S3: do you guys want to hear a really funny story?
• 28:55
  S5: Hold on. Before you move on. I got to say this,
• 28:57
  S5: somebody said, Carl, you should have given him the gospel.
• 28:59
  S5: So the rest of the story is I tried to
• 29:01
  S5: call him back because I was going to say, dude,
• 29:04
  S5: you need to find another job, but you really need
• 29:06
  S5: to find another life. Yeah, but they blocked my call.
• 29:09
  S3: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Once you once you suss them out,
• 29:11
  S3: they're done. Yeah. They don't want to talk to you anymore.
• 29:13
  S5: So yeah.
• 29:14
  S3: So so the New York Knicks won the NBA championship
• 29:17
  S3: last year, correct. You know how sometimes companies will send
• 29:21
  S3: out fake scam things that if you fall for it,
• 29:24
  S3: they're like, well, now you have to do training. So
• 29:27
  S3: a bunch of New York Knicks employees, not coaches or
• 29:29
  S3: players or anything, but just employees in the facility, got
• 29:32
  S3: emails saying, hey, we'd like to give you a championship ring.
• 29:37
  S3: Why don't you select the type of ring that you want?
• 29:40
  S3: No way. And they were like, oh, that sounds that's
• 29:42
  S3: really generous of them. And so they went and they
• 29:44
  S3: selected their rings. And at the end of it it said,
• 29:47
  S3: you have fallen for a scam. You are now signed
• 29:50
  S3: up for an anti scam training course. Also, you don't
• 29:54
  S3: get a championship ring. So they, they got fooled by
• 29:58
  S3: their own company into saying they were gonna get a
• 30:00
  S3: championship ring. If they fell for it, they had to
• 30:03
  S3: go to training. And then they also don't get a
• 30:05
  S3: championship ring. That is that's like the worst fake out.
• 30:09
  S6: I don't like that either.
• 30:10
  S3: No, I don't like it either.
• 30:11
  S6: It's kind of diabolical.
• 30:12
  S3: It's like the worst fake out from your own company
• 30:15
  S3: I've ever heard of.
• 30:17
  S5: So you send, you send, you send a meal, an
• 30:21
  S5: email to see if they're crazy enough to bite on
• 30:24
  S5: it when they do. Then you lower the gauntlet.
• 30:27
  S3: Yeah. And then you say, also, great, you get a
• 30:29
  S3: new class you have to take aside from all your work,
• 30:31
  S3: and you don't get the ring that we told you
• 30:33
  S3: you were gonna get.
• 30:35
  S6: Interesting.
• 30:36
  S3: So I was I was not interesting.
• 30:38
  S5: Is a good word.
• 30:40
  S6: So yeah, no, I have I got to do some
• 30:42
  S6: checking into this story because that seems so harsh.
• 30:45
  S3: Yeah, it's pretty harsh.
• 30:47
  S6: Because you're trained, if you work within any organization, not
• 30:49
  S6: to open emails or to be very careful with emails
• 30:53
  S6: that are come from outside the organization. But if it
• 30:56
  S6: comes from within.
• 30:57
  S3: Yes.
• 30:58
  S4: Something doesn't seem right.
• 31:00
  S5: Well, I'll tell you, something does seem right. That's really tragic.
• 31:03
  S5: I don't think I've shared this on air. I've got
• 31:05
  S5: a good buddy. Neat guy with the godliest wife. I mean,
• 31:08
  S5: the sweetest girl. And she got a call. This makes
• 31:13
  S5: my stomach ache right now. She got a call, and
• 31:16
  S5: it seemed so legit. It was a fraud alert thing
• 31:20
  S5: and it was so legit. And she took the bait
• 31:23
  S5: and they cleaned out over 140 K.
• 31:25
  S3: Oh my gosh. It's horrible.
• 31:27
  S5: Yeah. You got to be alert to this stuff. Guys be.
• 31:31
  S10: Careful.
• 31:31
  S5: This isn't a bad thing for us to talk about.
• 31:33
  S3: No, it's important.
• 31:35
  S5: I still get sick to my stomach when you know
• 31:38
  S5: people like that. It's one thing to hear those stories
• 31:40
  S5: and you get sick. But when you know. And this
• 31:42
  S5: girl is such a sweetheart. I guess she was just
• 31:47
  S5: her husband who's a godly guy, just took pressure off
• 31:51
  S5: and said, we'll get through this. But it cleaned out.
• 31:54
  S5: Checking in savings. Wow. In one fell swoop. Oh my gosh.
• 31:58
  S5: I think even some CD accounts or something crazy. Isn't
• 32:01
  S5: that sick?
• 32:01
  S3: Mhm.
• 32:02
  S5: And there's people that do this without blinking.
• 32:05
  S3: Oh yeah. It doesn't bother him or it used to.
• 32:08
  S3: And they're numb.
• 32:09
  S11: Oh.
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  S5: Boy. That's real encouraging.
• 32:15
  S3: I'll just be careful.
• 32:17
  S5: Yeah. Sobering stuff, isn't it?
• 32:22
  S6: It is. Because, I mean, you know, not to try
• 32:24
  S6: to force a connection, but we talk all the time
• 32:27
  S6: about how it's possible for counterfeits to appear like the
• 32:32
  S6: real thing. And it's true with the gospel, and it's
• 32:35
  S6: true with every good thing. Someone's going to try to
• 32:38
  S6: distort it to for their own gain. False teachers did it,
• 32:44
  S6: and it still happens in every area of life. That's
• 32:47
  S6: why I being able to identify what is true is
• 32:51
  S6: so important.
• 32:52
  S5: Yeah. Boy, what a setup. I didn't even plan to
• 32:54
  S5: go here, but I'm hosting a conference. I'm so pumped.
• 32:59
  S5: There's only 175 seats left live, and there's a lot
• 33:02
  S5: of uptick of registration for online. Super nice. One of them. Character.
• 33:07
  S4: I'm going to be there.
• 33:08
  S5: She's going to be there online. That's so cool. But
• 33:11
  S5: it's um November 14th. I'm going to send you. Ali,
• 33:15
  S5: will send you the intro to the book The Unstoppable Gospel.
• 33:20
  S5: I think this will pique intrigue in you enough where
• 33:25
  S5: you're going to go, wow, I really need to consider
• 33:28
  S5: getting there. It's a conference called the Unstoppable Gospel Conference.
• 33:31
  S5: We're going to peel back layers of how we've let
• 33:34
  S5: a lie of what salvation is, but it's not into
• 33:37
  S5: the church, how we've perpetuated this, and what we can
• 33:40
  S5: do to watch God breathe life into dead people, many
• 33:43
  S5: of whom are sitting in church every weekend. And I
• 33:45
  S5: know that may sound crazy, but I keep seeing now
• 33:50
  S5: interviews on YouTube shorts everywhere. Probably because it's my algorithm now,
• 33:54
  S5: but I'm seeing it everywhere. I mean, new interviews, um,
• 34:00
  S5: that are everywhere with respected pastors that are saying this
• 34:03
  S5: is a massive crisis that we have. So we got
• 34:06
  S5: live in Rolling Meadows. If you're anywhere in Chicagoland area
• 34:09
  S5: and who knows, you may want to fly in, you
• 34:12
  S5: see Chicago and stick around or come before, but we're
• 34:15
  S5: going to have an incredible morning from 8:30 a.m. central
• 34:18
  S5: till 1230. 175 seats left live, but unlimited seats online.
• 34:24
  S5: And Ali, I'm so encouraged about this. This is this
• 34:27
  S5: is an important topic.
• 34:29
  S7: It really.
• 34:29
  S6: Is. You want to be able to separate out the
• 34:31
  S6: counterfeits from the real thing. We'll get to this conference
• 34:35
  S6: whether you do so in person or live stream, just
• 34:37
  S6: text intro. We're going to send you an intro to
• 34:39
  S6: the book and then a sign up link for the
• 34:41
  S6: conference text intro to 805 557898. Intro to 805 557898.
• 34:50
  S5: Yeah. And the links just at the bottom of the intro.
• 34:52
  S5: But take the time to read it. I want to
• 34:53
  S5: encourage you to do that. Don't just scroll down to
• 34:55
  S5: the bottom. I really want you to read the intro.
• 34:58
  S5: I think it'll grab you, I really do. Those of
• 35:00
  S5: you that are genuine Jesus followers, you're going to be like, yeah, man,
• 35:05
  S5: this is an aha moment. Text intro to 805 557898.
• 35:12
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 35:16
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 35:20
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 35:21
  S5: So our daughter had dual citizenship. She was a citizen
• 35:26
  S5: of South Africa, where she was born, and she was
• 35:30
  S5: a citizen of the United States of America. And she
• 35:34
  S5: loved that. Loved having that. But at the age of 18,
• 35:37
  S5: she had to declare what citizenship would she ultimately adopt?
• 35:43
  S5: And she went for the United States of America because
• 35:46
  S5: that's where we lived. Dual citizenship, though, is something that
• 35:50
  S5: we all possess. And that's attention to live in, isn't it, Ali?
• 35:55
  S6: It really is. And we've got a guest who's going
• 35:58
  S6: to speak to this unique tension, maybe that we feel
• 36:01
  S6: more so this time of year. Jeff Samuelson with us.
• 36:05
  S6: He's a pastor, author, former U.S. Foreign Service officer. Talk
• 36:09
  S6: about this dual citizenship that we have.
• 36:12
  S12: Yeah, that's something that I had to deal with in
• 36:14
  S12: a practical way. The the dual citizenship in a, you know,
• 36:19
  S12: a political kind of way. Um, in my previous career.
• 36:23
  S12: And I did not expect that, uh, birthright citizenship and
• 36:27
  S12: such was going to end up being a, the issue
• 36:29
  S12: that it has been in our news recently. Uh, the
• 36:33
  S12: last year or so, but, um, I found that it
• 36:35
  S12: was a really good way to organize my book walk
• 36:38
  S12: This way because exactly what you were talking about, we
• 36:42
  S12: have these two citizenships. As Christians, we are citizens of
• 36:46
  S12: God's kingdom with Christ as our ruler there, but we
• 36:49
  S12: are also citizens of the earthly kingdom or earthly nation
• 36:53
  S12: that we have citizenship in. And what I really wanted
• 36:56
  S12: people to understand is that these are not two entirely
• 37:00
  S12: separate things, as though you're a citizen of Christ's kingdom
• 37:02
  S12: on Sunday morning and you're a citizen of the other,
• 37:05
  S12: you know, nation the rest of the time, but you're
• 37:08
  S12: always at the same time acting as a citizen of both.
• 37:12
  S12: And that means that you never turn off being Christian
• 37:17
  S12: and the things that are true of you as a Christian,
• 37:20
  S12: in terms of how you live, how you think, how
• 37:22
  S12: you act and speak, those are all going to be
• 37:24
  S12: a part of what you're doing as well. Um, when
• 37:27
  S12: you're engaged politically.
• 37:29
  S6: Yeah. Jeff Samuelson, our guest, he writes from an unusual
• 37:32
  S6: vantage point. He was a pastor in a church just
• 37:36
  S6: outside Washington, D.C., for 21 years. Before that, he was
• 37:41
  S6: a U.S. Foreign Service officer, serving as vice counsel at
• 37:45
  S6: the U.S. embassies in Singapore and Colombia. And that experience
• 37:49
  S6: is what you draw from for this book. You know,
• 37:52
  S6: as soon as you mention voting or politics, everybody in
• 37:56
  S6: the room gets a little tense. Christians and non-Christians alike,
• 38:00
  S6: because you realize that the minute you open your mouth
• 38:03
  S6: and say anything, that there's going to be a battle.
• 38:07
  S6: And you may have a brother or sister in Christ
• 38:10
  S6: who might be engaged in the battle, right as well,
• 38:13
  S6: where we're not in agreement on much. Speak to that
• 38:17
  S6: a little bit. How should we approach what can be
• 38:19
  S6: a very contentious time of the year?
• 38:22
  S12: Remember who you are. That's perhaps the easiest thing to do.
• 38:25
  S12: Remember that you're a Christian, which means that you're going
• 38:28
  S12: to be patient. You're going to be loving. You're going
• 38:31
  S12: to be compassionate. All the things that are part of
• 38:33
  S12: your character as a child of Christ. Those are going
• 38:36
  S12: to be what you're going to be taking into your
• 38:39
  S12: conversations with people. You're going to be thinking, how can
• 38:42
  S12: I best serve this person? How can I love them?
• 38:45
  S12: And that's, you know, taking into your voting the idea
• 38:48
  S12: that's very key to us as Christians. You know, Jesus
• 38:51
  S12: put it right at the center of our life that
• 38:54
  S12: we love our neighbor. Um, and that's how we're voting.
• 38:57
  S12: We're not voting because this is what's best for me.
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  S12: This is not how my people or my tribe gets
• 39:04
  S12: an advantage over the others I'm voting for who I
• 39:08
  S12: think is going to best serve my neighbors, who are
• 39:11
  S12: my fellow citizens. I'm voting for the policy that is
• 39:14
  S12: going to be best for the neighbors who are the,
• 39:17
  S12: you know, the other people who live here.
• 39:20
  S5: Yeah, this gets really I mean, Ali said it right.
• 39:23
  S5: The minute we get talking about this, we go down
• 39:25
  S5: this lane and it can get dicey. I think God
• 39:29
  S5: has graced me with something. I was born in Alaska,
• 39:33
  S5: which for some is like a foreign nation. So I
• 39:36
  S5: get that they don't even, you know, even people in Alaska,
• 39:39
  S5: they feel very distant sometimes from what we call the
• 39:43
  S5: lower 48. But I am now feeling like I don't
• 39:47
  S5: even have a hometown. I feel like Jesus, foxes have holes,
• 39:51
  S5: birds have nests. But the Son of Man has no
• 39:53
  S5: place to lay his head. I don't mind that. I feel, yeah,
• 39:56
  S5: Chicago is my town and I love Chicagoland, but I'm
• 40:01
  S5: grateful that God has given me a Kingdom vantage point.
• 40:05
  S5: And I feel like the more we see this anchor
• 40:09
  S5: and frankly, hatred in the political specter, it is for
• 40:15
  S5: me drawing me closer to the Lord. But we've still
• 40:21
  S5: got to vote, and we've still got to cast ballots.
• 40:24
  S5: And we are still, you know, I still love America.
• 40:28
  S5: I still love portions of not all of the American dream.
• 40:33
  S5: How do you navigate these things? Because there is so
• 40:37
  S5: much rancor. How do we rise above the rancor that
• 40:41
  S5: is out there and not try to stake claim to
• 40:45
  S5: a quote, Christian America, as it were?
• 40:49
  S12: Well, I like the way that you you spoke there
• 40:52
  S12: in terms of rising above and the idea of being
• 40:55
  S12: a stranger. I mean, the old hymn says, you know,
• 40:57
  S12: I'm a stranger here. Heaven is my home.
• 40:59
  S7: Yeah.
• 40:59
  S12: And one of the things that a truly biblical perspective,
• 41:03
  S12: you know, gives you is this this point of view
• 41:06
  S12: that realizes that, you know, this thing that is freaking
• 41:10
  S12: me out right now that has, you know, my neighbors
• 41:12
  S12: so upset right now, you know, in the long run,
• 41:16
  S12: which we as Christians understand in a way that non-Christians don't, um,
• 41:20
  S12: God wins, you know, Christ is king. Um, he's going
• 41:24
  S12: to work things out exactly as they need to be
• 41:27
  S12: worked out. We have that confidence, we have that trust.
• 41:30
  S12: And so that doesn't mean we do nothing. We don't
• 41:32
  S12: sit on our hands, but it does mean that we
• 41:35
  S12: don't invest, you know, this vote, this election, um, that
• 41:40
  S12: policy with importance that it doesn't really deserve because we understand. No,
• 41:46
  S12: there's a different perspective here, a higher one that we
• 41:49
  S12: have as Christians. We simply see things differently. And, and
• 41:52
  S12: we see people differently too. Um, you know, Jesus told us,
• 41:56
  S12: you know, to love our enemies and pray for those
• 41:58
  S12: who persecute you. Um, most of the time the people
• 42:00
  S12: we see as our opposites on in politics are not
• 42:05
  S12: our enemies. They're not persecuting us. Um, if we're supposed
• 42:08
  S12: to love and pray for our enemies and persecutors, then
• 42:12
  S12: we're going to have a much more compassionate approach to our, uh,
• 42:16
  S12: our political opponents.
• 42:18
  S6: Jeff. Christian nationalism is one of the most contested phrases.
• 42:23
  S6: A lot of means maybe something different to different people.
• 42:26
  S6: How does your book help someone separate the debate around
• 42:30
  S6: that term from what faithful political engagement actually looks like?
• 42:35
  S12: Christian nationalism, you point out, it's really hard to define.
• 42:39
  S12: Everybody seems to have their own idea of what it means.
• 42:41
  S12: For some people, it actually means, um, basically we want
• 42:45
  S12: to set up a theocracy in the United States, uh, with, um,
• 42:49
  S12: in other people. It simply means I'm a Christian and
• 42:52
  S12: I love my country and I want my country to
• 42:55
  S12: be more Christian. Um, but I think the key thing
• 42:58
  S12: here for Christians who engage in politics is to swap
• 43:03
  S12: the sense of identity, to not be worried about what
• 43:06
  S12: the identity of our nation is or isn't, but to
• 43:10
  S12: be focused instead on their own individual identity as Christians,
• 43:15
  S12: as children of God. That means that they're going to
• 43:17
  S12: have a different perspective. They're going to have different priorities.
• 43:22
  S12: They're not just going to be operating based on what
• 43:24
  S12: this politician or pundit or influencer said is important. They're
• 43:29
  S12: going to be thinking, okay, well, you know, I read
• 43:31
  S12: the scriptures. I, I, you know, hear my pastor's sermons.
• 43:35
  S12: I recognize these are the things that really matter to
• 43:38
  S12: me because I'm a Christian. And that's going to really
• 43:41
  S12: change your perspective on, you know, what you're thinking of
• 43:44
  S12: in terms of what's best for the nation.
• 43:46
  S5: Yeah. What a great what a great topic. Jeff Samuelson
• 43:50
  S5: is with us right now. He's author of Walk This Way.
• 43:52
  S5: And it's going to really get your juices cooking here
• 43:57
  S5: with regard to thinking biblically. And when I start thinking biblically,
• 44:03
  S5: I got to tell you, it's. I've got a conviction now, Jeff,
• 44:08
  S5: and I want to run this one by you. And
• 44:10
  S5: that is with regard to life, not just life in
• 44:14
  S5: the womb, but life all the way through. And then
• 44:17
  S5: with regard to sexuality. Big deal for me because, well,
• 44:23
  S5: I'll explain it in a moment. And then with regard
• 44:25
  S5: to even sexuality, with regard to our identity, I feel
• 44:31
  S5: like if we get the first few chapters of Genesis
• 44:35
  S5: messed up, the whole rest of the book will be distorted.
• 44:41
  S5: What's your take on that?
• 44:43
  S12: Oh, that's absolutely true. Um, if you, uh, somehow explain
• 44:48
  S12: away Genesis 1 to 3, uh, you've eliminated God as
• 44:52
  S12: the authority over us because he's our creator. Um, you
• 44:56
  S12: eliminate the fact that God is the author of marriage
• 45:01
  S12: and the designer of the family. And I think that
• 45:04
  S12: really is one of the key things is that, you know,
• 45:06
  S12: living according to God's will is also a matter of
• 45:09
  S12: living according to his design. And if you think that
• 45:14
  S12: Genesis 1 to 3 doesn't actually have anything real to
• 45:18
  S12: say to us as Christians, then you've lost the foundation
• 45:23
  S12: for marriage, for family, for sexuality, for for all these
• 45:28
  S12: things which have a beautiful, wonderful design. I mean, all
• 45:31
  S12: these things that are so complicated today with marriage and
• 45:37
  S12: sex and sexuality. Um, they're meant to be beautiful and
• 45:42
  S12: they are beautiful. You know, as God designed them. Uh,
• 45:45
  S12: but sadly, sin has entered in and, uh, the pride
• 45:48
  S12: that doesn't want to listen to what God has to say. And, um,
• 45:52
  S12: that makes things really complicated.
• 45:55
  S5: So this is where I think the rub comes in. Jeff.
• 45:58
  S5: It's one thing to take a stand for issues of life, sexuality,
• 46:05
  S5: what constitutes a family marriage that God had surety around
• 46:10
  S5: how created man and woman in the womb? It's one
• 46:14
  S5: thing to take a stand for that, but it's another
• 46:17
  S5: thing to become an angry, what I call an angry
• 46:21
  S5: evangelical or an angry Christian. And then our witness is
• 46:26
  S5: totally out the window. I find that some, quote, Christian
• 46:30
  S5: nationalism is going to the wall for things that in
• 46:34
  S5: a way that is anything but Christ like. And my
• 46:36
  S5: personal conviction is many of those who tout that are
• 46:40
  S5: anything but Christian themselves, we happen to believe here on
• 46:43
  S5: this radio show, there's a wide swath of people that
• 46:47
  S5: are Christian in name only, that have actually sullied the
• 46:51
  S5: name of Christ. So we're getting into the weeds here.
• 46:54
  S5: What do you say to that? Yeah.
• 46:57
  S12: Well, that's that's absolutely true. I mean, we can't see
• 47:00
  S12: into people's hearts. Um, so, you know, God is the
• 47:04
  S12: only one who's going to know who truly belongs to
• 47:06
  S12: him and who doesn't. Um, but Scripture is also very
• 47:09
  S12: clear that there are these people called hypocrites, you know,
• 47:12
  S12: who say one thing and, uh, are something else. Instead,
• 47:16
  S12: all we're left to work with is a person's confession. Um,
• 47:21
  S12: you know, how they speak and how they act. And
• 47:23
  S12: we then judge that according to, um, you know, does,
• 47:28
  S12: does who they are line up with what they say
• 47:31
  S12: they are. That's why I think it's really important to
• 47:33
  S12: remember some things about, uh, you know, what is it
• 47:37
  S12: that we're supposed to do? We're supposed to speak the
• 47:39
  S12: truth as Christians. Absolutely. But we're supposed to do it
• 47:42
  S12: in love. Um, and it's not an either or. It's
• 47:45
  S12: a both and all the time. And, uh, that's the
• 47:49
  S12: thing that far too many people get, uh, get, they
• 47:51
  S12: get upset about something that's going on politically and they,
• 47:55
  S12: lean into the truth side of things, which sometimes isn't
• 47:59
  S12: even the whole truth. Uh, and then they, they forget
• 48:04
  S12: about the love aspect of it. And as you say,
• 48:07
  S12: they end up being a horrible witness for Christ because
• 48:10
  S12: all that the unbeliever sees is the angry person who
• 48:14
  S12: doesn't want to listen, doesn't want to understand, and seems
• 48:18
  S12: to be only interested in having their way.
• 48:21
  S6: Jeff Samuelson with us right now. You know, for someone
• 48:24
  S6: listening to this conversation, they're probably hoping that we get
• 48:27
  S6: to a point where we just say, okay, tell us
• 48:30
  S6: how we're supposed to vote. A good Christian votes this
• 48:33
  S6: way or that way. Right. Isn't it just that simple?
• 48:37
  S6: I'm assuming that in this book you don't make such, uh,
• 48:40
  S6: instructions or declarations that you are safely on the side of. Right?
• 48:46
  S6: No pun intended. If you vote this way, or if
• 48:49
  S6: you always vote that way, what do you say? Uh,
• 48:52
  S6: there's some I'm guessing there's some nuance to this that
• 48:55
  S6: you don't give a prescription.
• 48:57
  S12: Yeah. Your assumption there is correct. I don't, you know,
• 49:00
  S12: come out in the book and, you know, give that
• 49:02
  S12: prescription for this is the only way that a Christian can,
• 49:06
  S12: can vote or anything like that. Part of that is
• 49:08
  S12: because I didn't write this only for Americans or only
• 49:11
  S12: for this particular moment in history.
• 49:13
  S5: Good.
• 49:14
  S12: Um, but instead, I wanted to give people the foundation
• 49:18
  S12: that they need for, uh, you know, for all of
• 49:21
  S12: this engagement, you know, the first third of the book
• 49:24
  S12: is basically, you know, who you are in Christ. And
• 49:27
  S12: what does that mean, uh, for you? And the second
• 49:31
  S12: part is, which I think is going to be the
• 49:33
  S12: part that might surprise more people is the, the advantages
• 49:37
  S12: that we have as Christians, the things that, you know,
• 49:40
  S12: when we go out into the political world that actually
• 49:42
  S12: give us a, you know, an advantage over others, over non-believers,
• 49:46
  S12: because we have things that they don't have. And then
• 49:49
  S12: the third section of the book is, you know, getting
• 49:52
  S12: into the engagement. Okay. This is how you do it. Um,
• 49:56
  S12: and because every situation is going to be different. Um,
• 49:59
  S12: they're going to be different ways to, um, you know,
• 50:02
  S12: for people to engage and because people are different. I mean,
• 50:04
  S12: somebody who is very much an extrovert. You know, they're
• 50:07
  S12: going to be comfortable going out there and, you know,
• 50:09
  S12: sharing their views about things. You know, somebody who's very
• 50:13
  S12: much an introvert. They don't have to go knocking on doors.
• 50:16
  S12: You know, for the, you know, the candidate they support.
• 50:19
  S12: But there's still a lot they can do that can
• 50:21
  S12: engage in a way that's appropriate to who they are
• 50:24
  S12: and to the gifts that God has given them and
• 50:27
  S12: the various vocations that they have.
• 50:29
  S5: Jeff Samuelson, I appreciate your tone and your heart and
• 50:33
  S5: your pastors, uh, level headed, even keeled approach to this thing.
• 50:39
  S5: This is quite a work, isn't it, Ali?
• 50:40
  S6: It really is. If you want more information, just text
• 50:44
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• 50:50
  S6: this Way Political engagement for Bible believing Christians. Just text
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  S5: You know this thing about what God's doing in your life?
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  S5: I mean, we say it over and over again here
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  S5: that persecution is kind of the oh, how do you
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  S5: say it? I said this at a membership class. We
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  S5: had a membership class in our downtown campus yesterday, and
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  S5: we had about 25 people there. And. I said to them,
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  S5: why don't we see membership class in the New Testament?
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  S5: And there's a young 19 year old fireball for Jesus.
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  S5: This kid is on fire for the Lord. He's at.
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  S5: Like you. I see one of our campuses downtown, and
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  S5: he said he nailed it. He said because the cost
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  S5: of following Jesus in the early church was so steep,
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  S5: you didn't need membership class. You knew who they were.
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  S5: And I'm like, bingo! You nailed it.
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  S7: Makes sense.
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  S3: That's good.
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  S5: And, uh, man, I got some heartbreaking news this morning.
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  S5: Early 4:13 a.m.. Haven't shared it yet, I think. I
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  S5: feel prompted to do it now. So remember when I
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  S5: went to India? Guys here. What was that a year
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  S5: ago already?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S5: And we were ministering to a large group of pastors
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  S5: and leaders from all over India were gathered together. And
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  S5: we had heard word that there it was really getting
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  S5: tough in one state. I'm not going to say what
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  S5: state in India it is, but we got word this morning.
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  S5: Good evening pastors. An urgent appeal for prayer. I earnestly
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  S5: request everyone to pause and pray for our fellow believers
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  S5: in this certain state. A mob of 60 to 70 people,
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  S5: 60 to 7 people entered into this house. Church brutally
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  S5: attacked believers, and they tore the house to smithereens and
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  S5: vandalized and destroyed it, and it's extremely serious. They went
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  S5: on to say the pastor was brutally beaten, his vehicle
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  S5: was damaged, and there's like 30 to 40 believers that
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  S5: were rounded up, including five children taken to a police
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  S5: station for questioning the people. The peaceful worshipers were taken
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  S5: to a police station for questioning. Three of these pastors
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  S5: were at this conference that we were speaking at. And
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  S5: so I can't give you any more details than that,
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  S5: but Lord, right now we just ask on behalf of
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  S5: our brothers and sisters, not only in India, but around
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  S5: the world that are in harm's way. O Lord, these
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  S5: are some of the most faithful, God glorifying worshipers of
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  S5: you that I've ever seen. And Lord, I pray for
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  S5: protection over them. I pray for miraculous deliverance, a prison
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  S5: break of sorts that would parallel what we find in
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  S5: the book of acts. Oh Lord, move in power, we pray.
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  S5: We know that Jesus promised that if they persecuted me,
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  S5: how much more so will they persecute you. And for
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  S5: our brothers and sisters in India this morning, oh God,
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  S5: we pray. Massive intervention. Spirit of the living God. Encourage
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  S5: and comfort those. And Lord, we're just doing our part
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  S5: today to come in and we're rallying around them in
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  S5: prayer and asking you to protect them and restore what
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  S5: has been broken and give them a joy abundant through
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  S5: it all. And we pray in Jesus name. Amen. And
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  S5: let it be. Amen. Hey, this stuff hits home when
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  S5: you know these people. You know what I mean. Sure,
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  S5: you've met them. You've sung beside them for a few
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  S5: days and you've embraced arms. As we were worshiping God,
• 54:44
  S5: locked arms and hands raised in the air and just brutal, man.
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  S5: And it brings to the point that I mean, look. Uh. Christianity,
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  S5: as we've known it in the West has been I
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  S5: don't want to I don't want to diminish it, but
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  S5: it's been a pretty good gig. And that good gig
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  S5: can lead to a lot of illusion of salvation, without
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  S5: a doubt. And it's interesting, I was talking earlier this morning.
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  S5: We're four for four here, which is a weird deal.
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  S5: It's really wild. But all four of us in some way,
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  S5: shape or form raised in church and had a. We
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  S5: would have suspected that we stood with God and he
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  S5: stood with us and all that stuff was ironed out.
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  S5: But here's, here's the reality, uh, authentic faith is going
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  S5: to be evidenced by some real things that go on
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  S5: in you. There's going to be a hunger to hear
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  S5: the voice of God. To open his word won't be perfect,
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  S5: but there will be a direct understanding that as a
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  S5: disciple of Christ, save from the broad path on the
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  S5: narrow path that leads to life eternal and life abundant.
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  S5: Now that we need brothers and sisters around us, that
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  S5: we need the Word of God in us. And you
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  S5: might say, man, that that hunger for Jesus. I don't
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  S5: often see that in maybe a lot of people around
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  S5: me and clearly kids that were raised in church but
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  S5: are now far from God. That's because they went out
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  S5: from us because they were not of us. Guys. That's
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  S5: the bottom line. I mean, is there a percentage or
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  S5: two that are just derailed disciples? Yeah, but the preponderance
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  S5: of evidence is that that seed never pierced the soil
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  S5: in a way that there was a heart that received
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  S5: it and had a multiplying crop just straight up truth.
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  S5: We know the deception is going to be huge and
• 56:45
  S5: our ability to self deceive is enormous. Man, even with
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  S5: regard to our salvation experience and then sanctification. I mean,
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  S5: I go back to it's been a while since I've
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  S5: mentioned it, so I'm going to go there. The last
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  S5: two verses in Psalm 139, David says, search me, know me,
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  S5: try me. See if there'd be any hurtful way in
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  S5: me and lead me in the way everlasting. And you
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  S5: know what that acknowledges? David acknowledged that he doesn't even
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  S5: see himself rightly so. We can get deceived thinking, yeah,
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  S5: we we kind of know where we need to go.
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  S5: We know where we need to grow. But what if
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  S5: we don't know where we need to grow? But the
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  S5: authentic Jesus follower is going to stop and they're going
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  S5: to hear that, that I just said and go, yeah,
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  S5: I need to do that. That's authentic. Faith compels us
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  S5: to do things that otherwise wouldn't be done. And the
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  S5: problem is we've been so inundated with lost people who
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  S5: were living in under deception in the American church and
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  S5: in the Western church because I, I jokingly say it's
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  S5: a pretty good gig. The problem is, it's a tragic
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  S5: gig to hold on to the gods of this age
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  S5: and have Jesus. Then when in one hand and all
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  S5: your substitute gods kind of cradled with the other. It's.
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  S5: It's a scary gig because many will say on that day, Lord, Lord,
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  S5: and he's going to say, I never knew you. And
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  S5: we don't do that to scare anyone. We say it
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  S5: because we love you genuinely. Right guys?
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  S3: Absolutely 100%.
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  S5: Straight up. Love you.
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  S3: Yeah, I get it. I, when I first started hearing
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  S3: that message, I really wanted Carl to stop giving that
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  S3: message because it hurt and it didn't feel very good.
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  S3: And so I do understand that feeling, but we have
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  S3: to keep giving it because if you're going through that
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  S3: right now, if you're wrestling through that, we love you
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  S3: too much to, to, not made to not have you
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  S3: wrestle through it. God loves you too much to not
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  S3: have you wrestle through it.
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  S5: Yeah, well, he hadn't planned on this, so let me
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  S5: do this right now. Let me be really clear with
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  S5: what the good news is. The good news is that
• 58:51
  S5: although we were born with our backs to God and
• 58:53
  S5: we are enemies of the cross, and we are not
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  S5: children of God, we're actually children of the devil. Wow.
• 58:58
  S5: I mean, you hear that? And you go, you got
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  S5: to be kidding me, man. But as many as received him,
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  S5: to them, he gave the right to be called children
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  S5: of God. There's some of you this morning that you're
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  S5: not a child of God. And it's because you are.
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  S5: In some way, shape or form suffering from deception. And
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  S5: you need to know that there's a reason for that.
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  S5: The God of this age has blinded the minds of
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  S5: the unbelieving. That's demonic. So there's a way in which
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  S5: we can talk ourselves into being kind of involved in Christianity.
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  S5: I use air quotes around that, but we're far from
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  S5: being Christ followers, and God wants to save you from
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  S5: that deception. And this is how. As many as receive him,
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  S5: that receiving is an acknowledgment. I'm a sinner. I need
• 1:00:05
  S5: a savior. It's. It's really best seen in the sermon
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  S5: on the Mount. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for
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  S5: theirs is the kingdom of heaven. It's a beautiful thing
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  S5: when everyone comes to a point of their acknowledgment of
• 1:00:17
  S5: their spiritual bankruptcy. That's what Jesus is saying. And it's
• 1:00:21
  S5: cool that he started that sermon on the Mount with
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  S5: those words. I mean, talk about coming out hot, right, Alan?
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S6: I mean, and with unexpected, I mean, nobody's going to
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  S6: expect that. That's where you start.
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  S5: Yeah. But that's, that's where we start. What does it
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  S5: profit a man to gain the whole world. Be religiously
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  S5: active but lose their soul. The answer is nothing, man.
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  S5: And so the call that we find of the gospel
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  S5: is to repent and believe. And the belief is not
• 1:00:50
  S5: merely a intellectual assent. It's an absolute abandonment of yourself
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  S5: to putting your full faith and trust in Jesus, not
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  S5: trust in the security of money, the satisfaction of substitute gods,
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  S5: the significance of a claim, or that people think you're
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  S5: something when maybe you aren't. It's sobering. And we love
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  S5: you enough to tell you the truth. And the truth
• 1:01:22
  S5: is you need a Savior. And if this morning you're
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  S5: at a point where you say, Carl, I'm there. For
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  S5: the first time in my life, I recognize I'm a sinner.
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  S5: I need a savior. I've never repented, turned my mind
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  S5: and my heart and my life and my. All over
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  S5: to Jesus Christ. And today, for the first time ever,
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  S5: I'm doing that, Carl. I'm doing that. It's a powerful thing, man.
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  S5: Count the cost on this one because Jesus wants all
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  S5: of you, not some of you. He wants every bit
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  S5: of you because he can do more with the life
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  S5: that you've built for yourself than you could ever possibly imagine.
• 1:02:01
  S5: That's what we find as a promise in Ephesians 320
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  S5: and 21. So I'm asking you right now to be
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  S5: crucified with Christ and no longer live but Christ living
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  S5: in you. Whoa. That's heavy words, man. Think about that.
• 1:02:17
  S5: What a beautiful thing to say. I have been crucified
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  S5: with Christ. It's no longer I who live, but Christ
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  S5: who lives in me. And if that's you right now,
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  S5: the cry of your soul. It's not a patent prayer.
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  S5: It's a cry of the soul says, I'm done. I
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  S5: see what a wretched person I am and that I
• 1:02:34
  S5: need a Savior. His name's Jesus. And today I'm repenting.
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  S5: I'm surrendering all I am to Jesus. You know when
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  S5: you're there. And if that's where you are today. Wow.
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