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Patriots Unfiltered 9/30: Analysis and Observations from Week 4 Win against the Panthers · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's salary thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: For the second time this season, I am guaranteeing a
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  Speaker 1: I was right on the thirty burger last time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be right on the forty steak manifest
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  Speaker 2: this time.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a burger, it's a steak.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, you're right, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at a Less Stadium, and we're
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  Speaker 2: all a buzz because we're coming off a big win,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best wins we've had just in terms
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  Speaker 2: of fun in a long time, much needed home win
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  Speaker 2: here at Jillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: What was the score again, forty two to thirteen.
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  Speaker 5: Something like that, very very close to what you pointed
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  Speaker 5: at this something like.
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  Speaker 1: That, something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of good stuff coming
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  Speaker 2: out of it, a lot of stuff we need to
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  Speaker 2: work on, understandably, but everything is coming up roses right now.
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  Speaker 2: And we're getting ready for the Bills. But we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that win. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: what they need to work on. What were the good
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  Speaker 2: things that came out of that game, notably Drake May
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  Speaker 2: just continuing his progression I think, in my opinion, dominanding,
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  Speaker 2: dominant and sending.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the league's taking notice.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they've suddenly realized that we might have taken
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  Speaker 2: the best quarterback out of the bunch a couple of
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  Speaker 2: year years ago.
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  Speaker 5: So, Paul, you're not telling me things that I haven't
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  Speaker 5: said in the past.
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  Speaker 2: He's not going to go trying to get him to go,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll get him going.
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  Speaker 5: You pick one thing, we'll get there later.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it's Duce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's in the boat and uh, this is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So where do we start, I mean, Drake?
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  Speaker 1: To start with Drake, Well, that's the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 3: I Look, we don't expect to go to the super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl this season, but we're trying to.
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  Speaker 1: Take a well maybe we're not there yet.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not even saying that that's of positivity.
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  Speaker 1: But this was the biggest thing for this season.
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  Speaker 3: You need a quarterback in this league to compete and
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  Speaker 3: to feel like this kid is.
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  Speaker 1: Starting to push the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 3: They're starting to make explosives, x'es, chunkies, whatever you want
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  Speaker 3: to call them. Look, you watch some of the other
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  Speaker 3: game around the league every week, there are the good
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  Speaker 3: teams put up points consistently, and if you can't score
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  Speaker 3: and you're not gonna win consistently. And that's the trajectory
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  Speaker 3: that they're headed now. Look it's four games and not
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  Speaker 3: exactly a murderer's row, but you want to be the
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  Speaker 3: best of the bad teams.
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  Speaker 1: This year, and so far they are not.
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  Speaker 3: So far, I would just say last week they showed
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  Speaker 3: that they can be better than a bad team.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to continue. You can look forward down the line.
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  Speaker 3: They're four more games against teams that haven't won a
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  Speaker 3: game yet, not penciling in any wins. But it's extremely
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  Speaker 3: encouraging when your quarterback is making it drives.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you started off last year with that great
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  Speaker 2: win against Cincinnati, but we all said gold that was
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  Speaker 2: that's hard to sustain the way they won that game.
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  Speaker 2: I think what we saw on Sunday is sustainable. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying forty points every I'm talking about the style
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  Speaker 2: of play with the offense.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's sustainable.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they've been doing it for three weeks
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  Speaker 7: in a row.
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  Speaker 5: Really yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I know they turned the ball over like
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  Speaker 7: crazy against Pittsburgh, but they still moved the ball in
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  Speaker 7: the same fashion that they did against Miami and against Carolina.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, look, you can put the caveats out there
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  Speaker 7: that they haven't played faced really a murders around of defenses.
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  Speaker 7: All four of these defenses so far are bottom half
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  Speaker 7: of the league and most of the metrics. But do
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  Speaker 7: you make them look like bottom half of the league defenses?
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  Speaker 7: And that's what Drake May has done. He's made three
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  Speaker 7: teams in a row now, he has really moved the
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  Speaker 7: ball through the year at will against all three teams.
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  Speaker 7: He's third in the league right now and pass epa
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  Speaker 7: third in the league. Like that's incredible for a guy
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  Speaker 7: four games into his second season that frankly is not
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  Speaker 7: really surrounded by the best supporting cast just yet. Like,
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's like the Patriots have, you know,
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  Speaker 7: all these weapons that he's throwing to this marriage between
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  Speaker 7: Drake May and Josh McDaniels is off to an unbelievable start.
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  Speaker 7: And it started slow in week one where he had
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  Speaker 7: some concerns there. But the last three weeks there's the
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  Speaker 7: things that they are doing. I didn't even know McDaniels
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  Speaker 7: had in his bag, frankly, and now they're pulling all
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  Speaker 7: these different things out to amplify Drake May's skill set.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's been it's been fun to watch, like
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  Speaker 7: it's their offensive tape from this game particularly is just
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  Speaker 7: as clean as I've seen in probably three or four years.
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  Speaker 5: It's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And you mentioned weapons something one of your guys said
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  Speaker 2: that I agree with. If Tony the emergence of Diggs
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  Speaker 2: was one of the huge things coming out of that game.
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  Speaker 5: I would agree because if you can have we've been
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  Speaker 5: talking about how much a number one receiver could help
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  Speaker 5: Drake May in his development, and what Evan just said
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  Speaker 5: is absolutely right in terms of the cast as a whole.
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  Speaker 5: But if you have one guy who can be a
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  Speaker 5: threat no matter what the other team's going to do, right,
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  Speaker 5: and I think we've seen Diggs throughout his career be
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  Speaker 5: that guy. Doesn't matter if you try to take him
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  Speaker 5: out of the game. He can still make an impact
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  Speaker 5: on the game right now. I'm not telling you one
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  Speaker 5: game says that that's what he's going to be the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the season. But that's a great sign to see.
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  Speaker 5: I think three of his six catches were you know,
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Five eight, not just the little underneath stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You get the all downfield a little bit. I absolutely
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  Speaker 5: loved the fourth down play, the back shoulder down the sideline.
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  Speaker 5: You're seeing him make some plays. I think you're seeing
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  Speaker 5: some trust between the quarterback and the receiver. They're getting
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  Speaker 5: on the same page. Those those kinds of plays require
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  Speaker 5: trust in reps, in sort of rapport, and that play,
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  Speaker 5: to me was was one of the best things that
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  Speaker 5: I again.
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  Speaker 2: What the number of targets that he's thrown to dig
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  Speaker 2: so far, but he's only not caught two of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, out of all the targets.
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  Speaker 5: It might be three, but I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Highest completion rate in the NFL right now amongst wide receivers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: so he's catching everything that's being thrown his way. But
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  Speaker 7: the biggest thing is what Paul said this week. His
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  Speaker 7: average air yards in the air goes up to thirteen
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  Speaker 7: per catch last week. First three weeks it was only
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  Speaker 7: around six. So they targeted him down the field more.
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  Speaker 5: That's all.
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  Speaker 7: It was like they just because the same amount of targets,
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  Speaker 7: the same amount of targets, its bigger chunks routes from
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  Speaker 7: the same spots, just targeting him down the field more
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  Speaker 7: and opening up the passing game. And I think the
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  Speaker 7: biggest thing too with Diggs is they had Mike Jackson,
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  Speaker 7: the cornerback for the Panthers, was on him, and yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that was not an even fight. And so if they
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  Speaker 7: have to start dictating matchups with Diggs, where they go
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  Speaker 7: into the game and they say, we need to put
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  Speaker 7: our number one corner on Stefan Diggs, because if we
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  Speaker 7: put our scrub corner on Stefan Diggs, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 7: six for one hundred and one. We're gonna be in trouble.
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  Speaker 7: Then that has the whole pecking order thing that we
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  Speaker 7: always talk about, like the coverage dictating receiver. So this
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  Speaker 7: week against Buffalo, does Christian Benford travel with Stefan Diggs. Well,
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  Speaker 7: if he does, now, Keishaan Boudi has matchups, Matt Collins
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  Speaker 7: has matchups. Pop Douglas if he gets back in there,
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  Speaker 7: as matchups. So it just puts everybody back into the
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  Speaker 7: pecking order, if you will, because you can't just put
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  Speaker 7: your backup, second string corner against Diggs. He's gonna torch
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  Speaker 7: that guy.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I kept going back to and Fred, it's
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  Speaker 3: your thing. It's very easy to defend in the past.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know what level Digs is going to
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  Speaker 3: be Evan's right, but now you've pushed the ball down
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  Speaker 3: the field a little bit, you're starting to see him
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  Speaker 3: emerge secondary targets. Who's going to start to emerge and
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  Speaker 3: make those big catches. We didn't really see it last week.
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  Speaker 3: It was kind of all Digs. You know, you got
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  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry, but we'd love to see Booty or Williams
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  Speaker 3: or Hollins maybe increase their contributions a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And the reason why I really liked the whole
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  Speaker 5: development with Diggs is again going back to what Evan's
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  Speaker 5: talking about with Josh McDaniels helping Drake May and we
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  Speaker 5: have seen it like, you know, the first scoring drive,
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  Speaker 5: you know it was seven to six after the punt return,
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  Speaker 5: the first play is you know, your leak Hooper out
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  Speaker 5: for a total scheme play, right, you're catching them off guard.
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  Speaker 5: You get like twenty four yards to get the drive started.
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  Speaker 5: And we've seen a lot of those plays and I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying, oh, geez, Paul, why are you upset about those?
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  Speaker 5: Those are great, But at some point you use all
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  Speaker 5: of those, the other team knows that you're doing those,
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  Speaker 5: and they're going to start to take them away, you know,
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  Speaker 5: some some of those little wrinkles here and there. If
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  Speaker 5: Diggs can be what he was, but you're not taking
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  Speaker 5: that back shoal to play away, You're not. He's better
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  Speaker 5: than the guy who's covering him a lot of times. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and Drake May, I think, is getting to the point
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  Speaker 5: where he's going to be too good to take that away.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm much more excited about that development than anything else.
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  Speaker 5: I love the schemes. I love, you know, scheming guys
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  Speaker 5: open the way Sean McVay and Evan's boy Kyle Shanahan do.
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  Speaker 5: I love those. But at some point you have to
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  Speaker 5: just be able to line up and they know what's
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  Speaker 5: coming and you need to be able to execute it.
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  Speaker 5: And there was some signs that they could execute some
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  Speaker 5: offense conventionally, not just you know, wow, they really caught
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  Speaker 5: him on that one. Like Evan said, Diggs was just
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  Speaker 5: better than the guy who was covering him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I found myself there in the game sometimes like
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  Speaker 3: reverting back to my mindset of the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: seasons where it would be like a third and seven
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  Speaker 3: or third and long and you're like, hey, that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a grind trying to pick this up, and
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  Speaker 3: they're starting to make those plays.
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  Speaker 5: That is the one thing about this game. They really
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  Speaker 5: didn't have any of those then. I think one third
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  Speaker 5: and long in the whole game, you're feeling, Okay, you
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  Speaker 5: sound a little horse.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to explain it to you got a young
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  Speaker 2: match toys r us again or not.
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  Speaker 5: Toys r us?
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  Speaker 2: Oh really road rage, Perilla really a little bit road
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  Speaker 2: rage a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, we're gonna have to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe second half of the show.
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  Speaker 5: That's for another time. Okay, it was. It was actually
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  Speaker 5: kind of a funny story. But yeah, I'm not not
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  Speaker 5: sick at all. I just kind of I'm a little horse.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 2: The other story going into the game that we got
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  Speaker 2: an answer coming out of the game was Ramandre Stevenson,
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  Speaker 2: what will be his role. He ended up with the
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  Speaker 2: most reps for any running back in the game right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat. And you know, we'll see what happens
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  Speaker 2: that that story is not ended, but at least for
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  Speaker 2: that game, he rewarded Mike Rabel for his confident in him,
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  Speaker 2: in his trust.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: They did change his role, Like he didn't get the
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  Speaker 7: goal line carries in this game, true, so that that
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  Speaker 7: piece of it got moved to Gibson and Travon Henderson
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  Speaker 7: who both scored on the goal line, So he fumbled
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  Speaker 7: on the goal line. And I think that they took
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  Speaker 7: that away from him in this game. So I wouldn't
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  Speaker 7: say that it wasn't completely unchanged. You know, he definitely
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  Speaker 7: played the most and he had the most touches. But
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  Speaker 7: I think that is a big development just in terms
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  Speaker 7: of where they see the risks of him in terms
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  Speaker 7: of his ball security really popping up, which is like
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  Speaker 7: in those tight spaces down by the goal line. So
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  Speaker 7: that that whole room though, you know, the whole running
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  Speaker 7: back room, and I was talking to Deuce about this
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  Speaker 7: earlier off the air. They need more out of that
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  Speaker 7: running back room. They are dead last in the league
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  Speaker 7: right now. In rush EPA. They're the worst rushing offense
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  Speaker 7: in the NFL. They need to run the ball more,
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  Speaker 7: and that's including Drake may running right like he's running
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  Speaker 7: very successfully, and they still don't run the ball well.
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  Speaker 7: So they to run the ball better, especially this week
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  Speaker 7: against Buffalo, Like you don't want to get into a
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  Speaker 7: drop back pass game against the Bills in that defense.
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  Speaker 7: So that that's like the one out of all the
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  Speaker 7: good things that they've done on offense, I think that's
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  Speaker 7: the one the area that needs to improve well to.
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  Speaker 3: Go on what your point about, It needs to be
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  Speaker 3: the running backs to not necessarily the blocking.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, like all the metrics support that
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  Speaker 7: the blocking has been decent, And so I went back
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  Speaker 7: and watched all the carries on Sunday because sometimes I
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  Speaker 7: think that it's a little bit, uh, you know, bottled up,
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  Speaker 7: But really they're running a lot of outside zone and
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  Speaker 7: duo and in those schemes like that, the read is
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  Speaker 7: on the running back to make the second level of
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  Speaker 7: the defense wrong. So when the linebacker goes and fills
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  Speaker 7: a gap, he's supposed to cut off that linebacker into
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  Speaker 7: the open space on the field. So it's a lot
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  Speaker 7: more of the running back at the controls than an
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  Speaker 7: old Josh McDaniel's offenses. You know, when they run those
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  Speaker 7: gap schemes, they're really just following the full back right,
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  Speaker 7: Like the full back is going to lead through the
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  Speaker 7: hole up to the second level and you're just going
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  Speaker 7: to run right behind the full back. Now they're in
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more of like a scan or vision
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  Speaker 7: situation with the running backs, and right now they're twenty
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  Speaker 7: seventh in the league and yards after contact per rush
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  Speaker 7: that they're not really avoiding tackles, they're not avoiding crowds,
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  Speaker 7: they're not seeing the cutback lanes as consistently as you'd
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  Speaker 7: like to see. So I'm not putting it all on
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  Speaker 7: the running backs. I think some of the blocking could
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  Speaker 7: definitely improve, but I think they need more just in general,
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  Speaker 7: out of that phase because they're not going to be
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  Speaker 7: able to beat a team like Buffalo being one dimensional
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  Speaker 7: if you can't run the football.
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  Speaker 1: It would help if they don't fall behind right away.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the start is important, but I would also say
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  Speaker 5: the two best offensive games they had were Miami and
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  Speaker 5: this one, and they were able to only throw the
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  Speaker 5: ball twenty times. Right, So, whether it's tremendous production in
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  Speaker 5: the ground game, and I certainly wouldn't quibble with your
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  Speaker 5: assessment of the production. They did all better than four
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  Speaker 5: yards to carry this particular week. Yes, I think they
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  Speaker 5: ran it well enough. I don't think it was great.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not. It's not, you know, necessarily.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I would also like take the jet sweeps out right,
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  Speaker 7: Like the jet sweeps to me are not conventional runs.
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  Speaker 7: So like they and Henderson, but Givin, but Gibson and
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  Speaker 7: Stevenson on getting jet sweeps, Well, Gibson got one on
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  Speaker 7: Sunday and got twenty and then that's set up their
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  Speaker 7: best run on the next play.
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  Speaker 5: So that was their whole run.
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  Speaker 7: Game was those two plays.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just it's not that it's the everything sucks wrong.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the end of the world.
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  Speaker 7: I just look at when they get into games like
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  Speaker 7: a team against the Bills, where the Bills have a
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  Speaker 7: great pass defense, and you do not want to get
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  Speaker 7: into a track meet with Josh Allen, like you do
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  Speaker 7: not want to try to outscore Josh Allen. So if
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: you can win this game on Sunday, you got to
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: shorten the game and you gotta possess the football.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Both teams really want to kind of play the same
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: way Buffalo the last year plus. Now Josh Allen's like
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: twenty five throws and they keep it low.
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: The difference with Josh Allen is they're going to bake
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: in I don't know a half dozen at least designed
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: runs for him, and that's a big part of their offense.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: But James Cook is really kind of the engine. Now,
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: I mean you can get to know. Do you want
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: to continue with Carolina? I mean it was such a bue. Yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: you want to wait for tomorrow? Ready to turn the page.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: No.
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: The only reason why I brought it up is because
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: like they I mean I would say not the Thursday,
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: like they should beat teams like Carolina, like.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: This is not this is not where the bar.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I know you say that, but teams just up up
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: until last week, teams there same we should beat the Patriots.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: So I totally agree, and if I want to stay consistent.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: The reason why I am as optimistic today, well I
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: should say more optimistic today about the rest of the
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: season than I was before the game is because of
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: the way they won the game. That mattered to me
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: and we all would have said they have to win
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: this game right going into the game, doesn't matter. They
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: have to win the game, got to win a home game,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: got to beat teams like Carolina at home. I haven't
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: just said it. You can't lose this game. I agree,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: But if they wanted seventeen thirteen and we're like plus
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: three in the turnover margin, I don't think I'd feel
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: very good about it. I now look at that game,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: and I look ahead and I see New Orleans, Tennessee
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and Cleveland coming in that close proximity coming out. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: now look at those three games and say, as long
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: as the Patriots don't do anything to beat themselves, they
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: should be able to win all three of those games.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't say that going in. Yeah, but now when
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: I see when the Patriots play well, there's a gap
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: between the bottom teams and the league in them.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: Which is what you want to do. You wanted to
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: see that separation, Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: And I saw it. And my whole caveat all off
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: season was really Drake May. Drake May makes that second
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: year leap and starts playing at a higher level, in
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: a different level, then there's different expectations and it's only
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: one month. I get it. I'm not trying to like
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: get lost and say, I see, I told you so.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: But Drake May has ascended to a different level than
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: we saw last year. The last three games have been
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: much better.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: The other thing coming out of this game that was
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a story obviously going in was turnovers, and there weren't any.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, so that's a huge thing.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Rabel said yesterday, I just you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: to get through a game without any turnovers?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: What does that feel like?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the message coming out of two weeks ago
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: was hey, what does it look like when we don't
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: turn the ball over?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And now you have some valad and you see what
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it looks like.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the first third down throw was tipped
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: up in the air and got a little iffy there,
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: but I thought, you know, that was it. Drake Lake
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: threw it kind of like he thought Booty was sort
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: of going to settle in that spot, and Booty kept
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: running the inkuite. I don't know who was necessarily wrong there,
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: but it just didn't look right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: But even that was not what.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: We saw last week, where you know, they're throwing the
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: ball right to the other team type turnovers, and like
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: I said, there's all of it the cleanliness of the execution,
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: you know, the pass protection, the spacing, the decision making
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: by the quarterback, the levels that they have to their
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: route concepts. Like it looks on tape like a functional
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: NFL offense and that just makes me so happy. Like
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: I've been waiting years for this. I've been waiting for this.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I was thinking of you of it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: And that's like you get educated watching bad football and
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: understanding things like spacing. Like remember over the last couple
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: of years, how that was like a big talking point
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: at various times where like they're right on top of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: each other. This offense isn't coordinated, you know, with Tom
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Brady run and things for twenty years, it's never even
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: crossed your mind of like, well they're not in the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: right spacing, Like, of course they are, but you have
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: to experience the bad to now understand, you know, some
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: of the nuance to what's improving and what's getting better.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the throw to Hunter Henry that he had down
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: in the red zone, that third downplay a little I
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: don't know how he's Texas route, yeah, man, he like
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: that route only works if mac Collins takes the linebacker
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: on the under and so or is that. I think
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: that was actually awesome Hooper. And then they came back
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: to almost an identical play on mac Collins's touchdown later on,
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: and they jumped hunter Henry thinking they were going to
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: throw it the Hunter again and they ended up throwing
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: the under that time to Matt Collins. And it's like
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: those little elements of like levels and spacing and just
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: concepts that look the same but aren't exactly the same,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: Like that's what good offenses do.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: That's what that's how good offense.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And then the throw itself, even though it was a
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: short throw, it was a difficult throwing the other way.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: You guys are talking about two different plays. Oh are
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: you talking about the one in the red zone like
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: by that he got stopped in the one I'm.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Talking about the one where he's rolling.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about two different talking about
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: different plays. Oh yeah, I mean that one.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: You know, those types of things in terms of like
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: the Henry's touchdown, Like I just I would love to
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: sit down with McDaniels and be like, where did where
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: did this come from? Because you can't run that with
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Tom Brady. And that's not a knock on Brady. It's
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: just not his game, Like he's just not mobile enough
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: to get out of the pocket and make that kind
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: of throw. So this is all different type of stuff
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: that Josh is now installing with Drake may like that he.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Did learn something last year in his little college tour.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe. I mean, I don't want to college offenses working
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: in the NFL sunk it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: I don't want to like speculate on where it came from.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: But you know they're they're moving the pocket both in
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: the gun and from under center on the keepers, like
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: they're doing things that they just didn't do with Brady
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: and mac Jones, Like this just didn't exist and Cam
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: really couldn't do it because he didn't have He didn't
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: wasn't the thrower that you know he needed to be.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: So you have all these different elements. You know, they're
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: running like they ran counter bash in this game, which
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: is you're gonna drop a counter bas Lamar Jackson's special
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: counter Bass that's right out of the Baltimore Ravens, like
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: you know, a playbook, Like that's not they were not
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: running counter bash in twenty eighteen with Tom Brady, Like
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: that's not, that's not that element of of the offense.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: They have some counters and some bashes, but they didn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: run any counter bash.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: Okay, counter bash quickly because you're all making fun of
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: me because I'm excited for once about the office.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It was a twitter was a cacophony of counter bash yesterday.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It was just it was like, Taylor is a counter bag.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so counter bashes is a design quarterback read right,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: So they have Drake May reading the defensive end. If
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: the defensive end crashes, then he's going to keep the
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: football and run it himself. And the defensive end stays outside,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: then he's going to hand the ball off.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: In this case, they actually inverted it not to get
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: too complicated.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: So it's the other way.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: So it's an option.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: It's an option play.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, but you have the left guard and the left
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: tackle pulling right, and then you're well, that's the counter action.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: That's the counter that's the counteraction. And now the coolest
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: part about the one the Patriots ran, which they're definitely
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: gonna come back to, is they actually snuck Hunter Henry
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: out on a route behind the pollers and so he
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: was wide open like for like a sixty yard touchdown.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: If Drake May had kept the ball but he got
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: the give read, so he gave it to Travon Henderson.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: But like that, that type of offense is just not
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: anything I've ever seen Josh McDaniels run before. So that's
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: all new to this iteration of the Josh McDaniels offense.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: And it's really cool to see how he's adapted to
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: a different skill set at quarterback. And now you see
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: the efficiency is just off the charts with Drake may.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: So the only cause for like a little concern that
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: I have is Paul's thing is like, once teams start
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: to figure out what they're doing, sure do they have
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: bcd F.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: The stuff that on my show is they're putting up
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Diggs's numbers because I think that that stuff that you
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: can rely on you can just beat you. That's you
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: can replicate that because he has the talent. And then
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: once you have that guy, it's like what Mike and
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Evan was saying, you know, that makes Booty or Hollands
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: or these other guys more effective players. Yeah, you know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: and hopefully you continue to build on those. The tight
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: ends have both been really good for you. So it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: not a great cast of skill position guys. But if
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: the quarterback is playing at a high level. It's good enough. Sure,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, Mahomes would kill for the level that they have.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: You know what Mahomes dealt with the first month of
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the season.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: And the pass protection, Like, the pass protection has been
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: to keep.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: It to twenty attempts and you don't have to rely
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: on Will Campbell holding the edge forty five times like
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: you did in week one. Like it's a huge difference.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: It's a huge difference.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: And they've been doing some stuff to help the tackles,
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: you know, with chips and different things like that. So
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: you just see what a well coordinated offense looks like.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: And it's just it's just a breath fresh air.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So it's a lot to talk about coming out of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the game. We're very excited.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Do you want to do this now? Do you want
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: to do it now? Deuce?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Do you want to might PSA?
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You have a PSA yeah, yes, So I'm going to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: set it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Read off.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of talk about Stefan Diggs
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: and some sort of change in his usage. Okay, Diggs
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: has been in the slot a lot this season. In
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the first three weeks, he was in the slot a lot. Okay,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: in this particular game, Mike's gonna have some numbers for
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: you that tell you something was different. I will now
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: let Mike have the floor.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Paul, I appreciate it. Hello everyone, patriots
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: of filtered listeners. I want to make sure you were
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: informed because there's a narrative out there right now that
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: moving Stefan Digs into the slot this week was the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: magic sauce that suddenly allowed him to be successful. So
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I went through and UH just charted some of the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: numbers spread through the first four weeks. Uh the first
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: week and I'm gonna be wide and slot seventy percent wide,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: twenty six percent slot. Second week forty percent wide, fifty
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: three percent slott little bump that week. Last week against
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh six WI twenty eight percent wide, seventy one percent
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in the slot. So last week he played the most
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: slot snaps he's played, and then it became an air
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: of last week like they need to move Digs more
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: into the slot to have more success. Of course, he
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: only had one catch for eleven yards. Last week against
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the Panthers, was nine snaps wide, seven in the slot,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and his big plays all came out wide. So for
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the season it's been fifty two percent out wide, forty
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: five percent in the slot. He's not a slot receiver.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: He's playing both inside and outside, and that is why
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs is so effective. His rise in snaps now
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: this was he played sixty three percent of the snaps
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: this week, which is his.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Highest total yet. So, as we've said, it's.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Been the increase in usage that I think has helped
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: him as he come back from an ACL I just
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: like these narratives that come out about there are numbers
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that back it up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: He hasn't been more on the slot. And if you
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: were just to say, oh, he should only play in
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the slot, I.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Think you'd be saying you're gonna reduce his usage because
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: you only want him out there when there's.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Three receivers, so you're gonna limit him, move him around.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: That's what makes him great. I don't get this digs
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: in the slot thing, and it made me do it
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: made me do Paul research.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I like write stuff. I'm like, I'm writing stuff down,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: but I got to come in. I gotta come with numbers.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I hope they not dolls are watching and listening learning.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: So one of those things like somebody and then they
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: just repeats it without and I'm like, it's an underlie,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: it's a disservice.
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: Like you said, the big plays down the field, we're
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: all having him run routes on the outside for the
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: most part, like either the back shoulder faide, like we
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: can all see.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: It just bugs me, like that's that one in particular,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Like you guys know, I sort of push back against
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you know, the film review and it's not my thing, okay,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: but you don't have to be Evan to see a
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: back shoulder fade on fourth down right down the sideline
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: and then say, you see you get him in the
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: slot and there's no way that play could have been
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: from the slot.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Right, and plus we know that we're reserving that slot
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: position for Chisholm when he's read.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Just really it just really bugs me. I mean, Diggs
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: has always been a guy who's been versatile. He can
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: be on the outside, he can be you know, in
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: the slot. He can you know, if you want to say,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: you know a Z or a different kind of slot,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: you know, the f like Evan explained last week, the
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: differences in those two things. He's a good player and
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: he has versatility to his game. Matt Collins at his
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: size can do some of those things too. He's been
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: an ex receiver a lot, but he's also has the
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: ability to sort of line up as a tight end
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: kind of and the inside the block and his.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Professional receivers they can run broccoli, they can run carrot,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: they can they can.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Do it all.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: But it kind of goes back to Julian Edelman and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that you know, oh, he's a slot like Wes Welker
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and Edelman, I think takes exception.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Have you've talked to him about it. You know, he's that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Zero receiver who they can move around and play off
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and he can motion inside and
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: you know that's where Stefan Diggs is going to be
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: most useful. So you know, trying to just limit him
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: into like, oh, the slot is where it's all going
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to happen, I think that takes away from what Digs
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: can go.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: And I'm not even getting into that argument whether or
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: not you think he can be effective there or that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the people who came out of the
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: game Sunday and somehow thought that he made all those
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: plays from the slot, right, Like you just didn't watch.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: I think the third and fifteen route was from the slot,
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: but the other two were definitely on the outside. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: like I said earlier, it's about how far down the
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: field they started targeting him in this game. That was
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: the difference to me, was the difference the air yards
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: doubled from the first three weeks.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: They just see anything over five catches. Oh, how to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: come from the slot, because that's where the volume come.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: But that's what Like, I know that the Pittsburgh game
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: he had like one would you say one catch in
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: that game? What did you have the first game? You
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: have five catches for like thirty yards. Like the difference
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: is it's the same amount of catches, but it's but
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: three times the amount of yards.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean he had eighty nine yards from
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: out wide and twelve yards from the slot according to
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Next Gen staffs.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked up.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Like Mike Jackson is not a good player. The corner
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: that was covering him. But if Diggs's like pre acl
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: juices back and the vertical ability is back, Like it
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: was cool to watch and run routes like that. Again,
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: like I we didn't even really see that in so
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: much in training camp because I don't think that his
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: knee was was there yet, and so to see him
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: like actually separate from man coverage deeper down the field
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: and okay, like we can he still got that in
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: the tank. That's a really positive development. Like that's probably
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: one of the biggest things that came out of this game.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, should we just.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Be saying too, like he's coming off an ACL and
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the fact that he's even on the field this month
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is kind of a positive to me when I assume
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that maybe he was going to be limited. I mean,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Wes Welker twenty ten came back still a down year
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: for him production wise, so you know, just to simplify
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: it and say moving to the slot, it's like, no,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: this guy's going to start to get healthier. I know
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the comments we probably could talk about where he said
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: he was a five of ten comfortability in Josh's offense.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how exactly to take that. Rabel was
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: asked about.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: It yesterday but didn't seem to care for that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I think we're we're growing out. We have to get
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it more.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if it sounded more to me like
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: dig saying like I'm at a five of ten of
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: how effective I think I can be in this offense,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: not like I only understand half the offense right now, you.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Know, like like he's he's just scratching the surface.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And I do think that there's some validity to that
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: where you're coming off in a cl you're in a
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: new offense.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You know, he had some experience with the verbiage with Stable,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but still I.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Just I think you're you're seeing an upward swing that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a lot about a lot more than just moving.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Him into some all right good stuff.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the Hotline podcast
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: at Patriots dot Com is the email address. We saw
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: our first look at rivalries uniforms last night with the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, and that was a tough game.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: For them, and the Cardinals were those.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Yeah, they lost Hill. A lot of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of tough injuries this a week. I know
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Paul thinks I root for injuries, but I'm driving home
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Sunday night and I listened to the serious It's kind
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of like an audio red zone that they do. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: do the same thing, and you know it's like I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: was just like, oh, that's tough neighbors out, Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Hearing all that stuff. It's not it's bad for the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Chargers offensive line.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Like how like when they get to the Giants story
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: they can't watch Belie Neighbors. Yeah, like I'm going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: be bored out of my mind.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: But that's also part of you know, like, man, you
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: talk about two bad teams last night, you know, the
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: way the Jets and the Dolphins. So you kind of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: looked at that and you're like, well there's still division teams,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: like you know, maybe you split them, but now you've
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: got to get greedy and you look at those two
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: teams and how bad they looked last night.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well the divisions are as if we want it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the Dolphins, in the in the Jets.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Well there's there's there's like I feel like there's two
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: kinds of games left.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is oversimplifying it, but there's games where you
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: really feel like they should win or you know, if
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: you don't beat yourself, you could win or should win.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: And then there's the barometer how how good can you be?
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Like this weekend, what can you do? Go in against Buffalo?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna be all that upset if you drop one
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: up in Buffalo to the Bills. They're a great team,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: but there's no pressure where thereas like this week against Carolina,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I feel pressure going in, Like, man, if they dropped
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: this one, like after that first drive when they went
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: right down the field on him, It's like, is this
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: this is it? This is what We're gonna be in
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: dogfights with these crappy teams. But you know, I look
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: forward to those measuring stick games. I think Baltimore will
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: be one down the road a little bit Campa Bay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: But there's not a lot. There's quite a few teams
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: that have only won zero or one game.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: And one of the ones that everybody thought heading in
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: is no longer that Cincinnati.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: You know, you see what's happened to them without Borrow
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and they weren't competitive.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Last be the best of the bad this year.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: All right, here, let's hear what you have to say.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: Hey, everyone, such a great week. It's so different in
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: the NFL because the league really requires that you work
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: together as a team, and we know the quarterback is
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: the most important position, but you can't really become a
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: franchise quarterback on your own It takes a lot of development,
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: It takes a lot of teamwork together and being there together.
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: I mean, if you look at the league, there's what
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: maybe five or six franchise quarterbacks right now that are established,
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: but less than twenty percent and over the history. I mean,
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: look at a guy like Jim Plunkett, took him what
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: they took the eighth year leap to become a franchise
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: quarterback team super Bowl, Yeah, with a new team with
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: the with the Raiders is thirteen. And you look at
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: players like Sam Darnold's and Baker Mayfield, they had to
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: move on for different teams and maybe they'll become franchise
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: quarterbacks now we still don't know, but they're doing well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: Look at twenty twenty one and there was five quarterbacks
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: taken in the first round. People are excited about that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: Maybe none of them become franchise quarterbacks. So that's why
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: it's so exciting about Drake may We don't know if
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: he will, but it looks like it could work. It
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: looks like we finally have the things that are coming together.
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: Like last year when he would make a big play
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: for a first down and then it was taken back
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: from a penalty like holding penalty the third and fifteen net.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Forget it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: They can't, they can't convert it. This year he has
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: that that twenty two yard reception that was a beautiful
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: reception by Diggs and you know we have we have
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: that now, so it's like, this is possible. But the
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: question I have is on that penalty that took it
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: back Henderson, like he was known in college as being
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: great at past protection. But I'm wondering if the speed
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: of the NFL is what his issue is, because it
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: looked like on that play the defender got to him
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: before he was ready it and they felt that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: It definitely it's the speed of the game. That's why
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: he's getting those holding calls. That's what happens when you
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: know you're you over extend because you beat you hold.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: And Mike talked a little bit about that yesterday. He
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: was asked in the press conference and you know the
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: way he explained it, and I don't have the quote
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: in front of you, but talking about recognizing when he
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: needs to eliminate some of the space, like he's kind
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: of sitting back and waiting and then adjusting as opposed
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: to cutting down on that area between the one that
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: oncoming rushier and you know, sort of taking the fight
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: to him. So I think it's it's one of those deals.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Like I think maybe we underestimated just how difficult that
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: skill is, because he did come out by all accounts
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: with your right you know, a great reputation is a
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: pass protector, but it's it's a different animal, and I.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Do think he did it in a little bit.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: And I do think the mental part of it is
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: it can't be under sold, like you're not exactly sure
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: which guy you're getting all the time. You're seeing much
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: more sophisticated did rush schemes than you did in college.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: So I think a lot of that, yeah, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: is growing pains.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: That to me is the biggest thing.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: They run a dual read system where the running back
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: is going to read off of two different guys and
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: take the nearest threat to the quarterback. So on the hold,
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: he's got an interior blitzer and he's got a guy
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: off the edge. When the interior blitzer drops into coverage,
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: he's got to get outside and block the guy that's
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: coming off the edge. And I think that that's why
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: he kind of was sort of sitting back almost like
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: in a pass set like he was a left tackle
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: to try to catch the guy was because he didn't
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: start with his eyes outside. He started with his eyes inside.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: So it's just being able to adjust a little bit quicker,
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: see it a little bit faster because it goes so
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: quick in the NFL compared to college where the college game,
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: like to Paul's point, you're probably not seeing all these
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: different scheme pressures and guys dropping and guys blitzing from
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: different angles and things like that. So it's a it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: a much harder thing to do. But the other thing
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: that that Sean brought up that I was thinking about,
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: because now you know I'm on this high, you have Mahomes,
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: Alan Burrow, Jackson, There's that's a tier of its own,
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: that is the s tier of quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: You're not no one's arguing that how many quarterbacks do
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: you name that if you were starting a team today
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: that you would take over Drake May after that top
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: tier quarterbacks, because I don't think it's really that many.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Herbert maybe Herbert I agree, he would be one, But
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: starting a team today that I wouldn't have too many.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't especially after the start he's had, because you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: the guys that I would say that are probably still
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: better than him now or you know, like my boy Stafford.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: But I certainly wouldn't take him today over Drake May
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: if I had my choice of those two, right, you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels, you know you six one a half dozen.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I said last year when Daniels was lighting it up
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: that I would still take May, and I stand by that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: I think he's more of a conventional quarterback. I don't know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know how many you would get to.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to make one point off Evans.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Thing about Trevion is just you know, first of all,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: which I think I said before, is that sometimes past
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: protection alone will keep a young running back off the
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: field for an entire first year. And second of all,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: whenever asked about Ramandre Brabil always brings up he's our
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: most trusted past protector. So it's just such an important part.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And that's and that's a big reason why you can't
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: just bench him. And you know you need that skill
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: even if you're not putting the ball in his hands.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Dan's in California. What's up, Dan? What's up guy? Dan?
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: So I know Evan already like nerded out or over
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: the offense so.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: He can do more's.
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: I'm sure he happy, But do you feel like this
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: Josh McDaniel's offense is different from the past just because
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: like you're seeing so much more motion jet sweep, you know, to.
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: Gibb and Henderson. I also was wanted to ask what
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: do you think the impact of Thomas Brown, the passing coordinator,
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: has had on this offense? And my second question is
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: is the you know the world doesn't really expect us
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: to go into Buffalo on Sunday, And I like what
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: what you said about you know, we're not really nobody's
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: expecting us to win. But if we do manage to
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: pull off an upset and Drake may delivers another strong performance,
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: would it be fair to put him in the MVP conversation?
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: And I don't think squ.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, I mean based on I mean, well, how
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: does it look? First of all, Drake goes in there
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: and throws four touchdowns and no interceptions.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Again, like you know that week five, you got to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: be at the you know, vying for the division. This
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: goes for any team. You have to be vying for
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: your division, for any of your players, to be considered
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: for MVP, the team has to have success for the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: player to have value. In my opinion, especially that Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I would largely agree with you. It's just it's it
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: would be the fifth week of the season, right, it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: way too ready to talk about m vps. Drake May
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: has played an exceptionally high level through the first month.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm happy with.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: That, but I'd say watching some of Buffalo as we
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: get ready for Buffalo, like watch Josh Allen, Like there
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: is a difference right there still to me of the
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: kind of player he is, and Drake's played great, But
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: when you talk about MVP and you see all the
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: different things that Josh Allen does, getting his whole team involved,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: carrying the ball when he has to, you know, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: think Drake could get there. But even initially in this
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: part of the season, I still see Josh Allen is
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: So does you know, we'll play it out. So let's
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: say the game unfolds and he outduels Josh Allen Sunday night.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: So now it's a Fred's point. Go ten weeks ahead,
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: and now you know the Bills and the Patriots are
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: tied to top the AFC East at I don't know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: eleven and four. Yeah, now it's a conversation. But at
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: you know, week five, at three and two. No, he's
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: not an MVP candidate, But like Jayden Daniels, worked himself
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: into MVP consideration as a rookie lab year because the
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: team went twelve and five, right, and then you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: he ended up being largely responsible for so many of
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: those wins. So he rightly inserted himself alongside Lamar Jackson
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: and Josh Allen. He didn't win it, he was behind
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: those two. Yeah, but if we're sitting here in December
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: and we're talking about the Patriots, there.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Was tangible evidence of his value.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about the Patriots vying for you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: a division title and being in a playoff team. Yes,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Drake May is probably going to get consideration.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: The other thing the caller mentioned was Dan in California,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Thomas Brown, passing coordinator, passing game coordinator. Like, I don't
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: know all the dynamics of how all this comes together,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but Vrabel was very quick to let everyone know during
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: his press conference on Monday about you know, how they
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: do it on first down, how they get together for
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: third down? They get together for Red Zone. You know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Thomas Brown is part of that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So I think the biggest just if you
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: just look at it schematically, and this is speculation, like
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: I don't I don't know, but all the bootlegs and
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: stuff like that come right out of the Shanahan McVeigh playbook,
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: and Thomas Brown cut his teeth with Sean McVay in
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: the Rams in Los Angeles, So one would think that
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: they knew probably all along that they wanted to put
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: those things in. But having somebody from the inside that
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: knows it on the level like Thomas Brown, I'm sure
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: is influential in terms of how they're scheming it and
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: how they're dressing it up and that sort of thing.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: So I don't know who had the grand idea of
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: putting in bootlegs. I'm sure they looked at Drake May
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: and that was probably a pretty.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Easy because pretty easy, right.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: So then the next.
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: Step is is like, how are we going to schematically
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: design our keepers? And that's where I think Thomas Brown
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: might be able to help out a lot because of
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: his experience in that offense.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: You know that, It's another thing I feel good about
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: for you Edis. I remember we were talking about hiring
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: coaches and stuff, and you were like, no, you got
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: to hire an offensive coach because you get a coordinator
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: who's the hot shot and he does well and he's
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: gonna leave. And I'm like, Josh is here for a
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: little while, Like, you know, there's a lot to cook
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: with with him, and I'm not really worried about him
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: jumping ships. So seen some people talk about this could
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: be the start of a long, beautiful relationship with these
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: two guys.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Jayson Tampa. What's up, Jay?
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: That's nice? Hey, what's up guy, Petrol Optimist.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: So a lot of people have been calling into the
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: show the last couple of weeks asking about what there
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: is to do in Tampa for the Patriots first Bucks game. Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I am the.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: President of the Tampa and New England Patriots fan clubs.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: I feel like I have some experience.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I think I met you right, Jays.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Thank you for your service, Yeah president.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Thank you?
• 44:58
  Speaker 12: Yes?
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: Thanks.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: So I just want to let everybody out there in
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: the PU world know we actually just got done working
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: with you guys with your fan engagement team. So shout
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: out to Jeff, Jen and Tommy. We are going to
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: be hosting the Patriots Fan road Rally down here in Tampa.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: So that will be Saturday, November eighth, from seven to
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: nine pm at a location called Sunset Rodeo, which is
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: in the Soho District of Tampa. So we'll have Patriots
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: alumni there, we'll have the cheerleaders there, we'll have the
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: mascot there. Starge will be there. So yeah, so it's
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: gonna be a whole big event.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Like you should be there.
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: Yeah, So I'll just.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe after burns, I'll come by.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: I can't afford it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: You know, you weren't invited last year in the Nashville.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: I want to make sure. Yeah, I want to make
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: sure everybody is out there listening that you are invited.
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: It's a free event. And then Sunday night after the game,
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: we actually have a band coming down, Dalton and the
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: Sheriffs from Boston. Same venue as Sunset Rodeo. We're doing
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: a postgame concert there as well. So wow, if anybody
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: has yeah, if anybody has any questions about what they
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: do in Tampa, they can find us Tampa Patriots Faint Club.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: Just google us. All their socials will come out. They
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: can message us and We're glad to get recommendations.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, Jay.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks Jay, thanks for the wiki for your associated Thanks Jay, Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's always great to hear when fans are doing that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: on the road.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: I missed that stuff. I missed going to those things.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I always remember the why I went to in Seattle
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: that you guys were.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I saw you, there's Fred, but it's I don't know.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: I well, they didn't they not have enough bartenders.
• 46:41
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Brian?
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  Speaker 8: Hey, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: Hey?
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  Speaker 8: I love calling you guys every week.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, it's pretty good at buccan zalas his next debut,
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  Speaker 8: his nice return to Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was good to see him. Yep.
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  Speaker 15: I was so high about so.
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  Speaker 8: I was so ecstatic when I watched the game, like, oh,
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  Speaker 15: We would be undefeated.
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  Speaker 8: If he was playing three weeks ago, you know what
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  Speaker 1: But he played.
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  Speaker 8: He played the whole game, So that's good sign. Play
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  Speaker 8: a whole game. Well, no issue, So it's good to go.
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  Speaker 8: Now now we're on the buffalo. We are on the bills,
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  Speaker 15: So go to buffalo. That's gonna be I one.
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  Speaker 5: We all know that, sure do.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks Brian, appreciate the call. All right,
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  Speaker 14: Car, How are you good?
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  Speaker 7: I was just wondering what you thought of Christian Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 2: And his re entry.
• 52:19
  Speaker 14: I thought it was good. I thought it was okay
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  Speaker 14: for him to you know, good for good to be
• 52:22
  Speaker 14: out there. And I think it can always be better,
• 52:25
  Speaker 14: and I think he knows that. And but for for
• 52:30
  Speaker 14: just you know, the first game back some good stuff,
• 52:35
  Speaker 14: and he'll continue to work and he'll continue to you know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 14: have a game plan each and every week. And excited
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: that he was able to put a full work in
• 52:44
  Speaker 14: there and have confidence and playing and conditioning and all
• 52:47
  Speaker 14: those things that are positive.
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: Working with Josh Daniels and farm say so with the
• 52:53
  Speaker 12: job he did last week and yesterday.
• 52:56
  Speaker 14: Well it's not only John. I mean I I you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 14: I enjoy working with Josh Ien were joy working with
• 53:00
  Speaker 14: the entire offensive staff. It's it's good coaches on that side.
• 53:05
  Speaker 14: There's a lot of collaboration, and I like kind of
• 53:08
  Speaker 14: where we are from an efficiency standpoint, just trying to
• 53:12
  Speaker 14: you know, to work ahead and be detailed and you know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 14: making sure that you know, everybody is doing their roles
• 53:22
  Speaker 14: and assignments. And yeah, we worked a run game and
• 53:27
  Speaker 14: then kind of Josh and Thomas and Todd and Ashton
• 53:31
  Speaker 14: will work some of the passing game, and you know
• 53:33
  Speaker 14: when it goes to third down, and then we all
• 53:35
  Speaker 14: get together on red zone. And those things certainly paid
• 53:39
  Speaker 14: off last week. So you being able to marry some plays,
• 53:44
  Speaker 14: and when you can convert and you can strength some
• 53:47
  Speaker 14: drives together or some plays together, then things look alike.
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: And then that all compliments. We've talked about that before.
• 53:54
  Speaker 14: And when you just live in a three and out
• 53:56
  Speaker 14: world and you're not extending drives, it's hard to marry
• 54:00
  Speaker 14: those plays. Touchdown throw punter Henriett after, how much does
• 54:05
  Speaker 14: Drake's ability to throw on the move and throw from
• 54:07
  Speaker 14: some different opagels for you in that stad well to
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: be able to extend plays, move the pocket and get
• 54:13
  Speaker 14: you know, move the launch point. He is critical and
• 54:18
  Speaker 14: you know those plays as have helped us, and he's
• 54:20
  Speaker 14: he's done a good job with him.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Like giving Remandre to carry on the first play in
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the game, and I think he had the most snaps
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: among the run master.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: Was that intentional about you guys, No.
• 54:30
  Speaker 14: Not intentional other than that he's, you know, our first
• 54:36
  Speaker 14: second down back. He's the best protector and you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: it was good to see him being able to to
• 54:42
  Speaker 14: break one there. And if we finish one more guy
• 54:45
  Speaker 14: probably scores. So you know, again we're going to keep
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: practicing ball security with every single player. And there's a
• 54:52
  Speaker 14: lot of really good examples of guys protecting the guy
• 54:55
  Speaker 14: with the ball, which I believe and I know is
• 54:58
  Speaker 14: critical to our six. And you know, I think it
• 55:03
  Speaker 14: was just good for us to play good, clean game overall.
• 55:05
  Speaker 12: After the game, you've given acknowledgement to pop about this
• 55:08
  Speaker 12: for for his block specifically on the other Henry touchdown stuff,
• 55:11
  Speaker 12: as plucks with them to the last couple weeks up
• 55:14
  Speaker 12: blocking wandering if you could speak to the importance of
• 55:16
  Speaker 12: blocking that that position and hell can maybe be an differentiator.
• 55:19
  Speaker 14: Well, when you don't block safeties in the National Football League,
• 55:22
  Speaker 14: they make the tackle and not only do they make
• 55:24
  Speaker 14: the tackle, they usually inflict some sign of you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 14: blow delivery. You know they're not going in there uh lightly.
• 55:34
  Speaker 14: And so again that's the idea that it's not that
• 55:38
  Speaker 14: we need receivers that that are out there with neck
• 55:40
  Speaker 14: rolls on, and you know, they have to be multifaceted
• 55:45
  Speaker 14: and be able to execute the things that we need
• 55:48
  Speaker 14: them to do in the past game. But also when
• 55:50
  Speaker 14: when there's opportunities to go find people to block, they
• 55:53
  Speaker 14: have to do that as well. And I think when
• 55:57
  Speaker 14: the more that we can show them that it leads
• 55:59
  Speaker 14: to extra yards and it leads the X plays and
• 56:01
  Speaker 14: it leads the touchdowns, that the more that they're believing
• 56:05
  Speaker 14: in it and buying into it. And I think that
• 56:08
  Speaker 14: there's great examples, especially yesterday on the tape of us
• 56:11
  Speaker 14: doing that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 17: Williams said, this really felt like that the Panthers were
• 56:14
  Speaker 17: trying to keep the defensive line out of the game.
• 56:17
  Speaker 14: Jersey saw the same thing. I mean, the ball came
• 56:20
  Speaker 14: out quick, and you know that, you know, I thought that,
• 56:25
  Speaker 14: you know, our ability to you know, affect the quarterback
• 56:28
  Speaker 14: from a standpoint of inaccuracy and efficiency was good, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 14: you know, we could start talking about not giving the
• 56:38
  Speaker 14: rush lanes, which I thought was a key, especially on
• 56:40
  Speaker 14: third down his ability previously to extend those things. So
• 56:44
  Speaker 14: you know, I think there's there's ways the factor and
• 56:46
  Speaker 14: guys you know did at times factor, but you know
• 56:49
  Speaker 14: we didn't. We didn't allow you know, Bryce the easy
• 56:53
  Speaker 14: yards out of the pocket that we had seen previously.
• 56:58
  Speaker 14: So I think that was a positive.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: What do you see from Christian Barmore?
• 57:03
  Speaker 13: And how is this plan that you've had for him
• 57:06
  Speaker 13: leading up the games where it seems like we one
• 57:08
  Speaker 13: day he's not practicing. How is how's that leading to
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: whatever you're skiing?
• 57:14
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean he's he's doing a lot of work
• 57:16
  Speaker 14: and he's getting a lot of practice time in and
• 57:20
  Speaker 14: you know, I mean there may be a day where
• 57:22
  Speaker 14: he's limited throughout the week, but you know, I see
• 57:27
  Speaker 14: a disruptive player. We just know he wants to be
• 57:31
  Speaker 14: able to to finish some of those plays. He's drawed
• 57:33
  Speaker 14: some holding penalties. I think there was another one that
• 57:36
  Speaker 14: probably wasn't called and you know, hit the quarterback and
• 57:40
  Speaker 14: you know he got close. And so again, keep working
• 57:42
  Speaker 14: and I know, you know, trying to keep him from
• 57:45
  Speaker 14: getting frustrated about you know, what what goes down on
• 57:49
  Speaker 14: the stat sheet, But causing penalties and and being able
• 57:54
  Speaker 14: to still be disruptive will help us. And then then
• 57:59
  Speaker 14: that's also lead to him, you know, finishing some of
• 58:02
  Speaker 14: those plays and getting some of those tackles for loss
• 58:04
  Speaker 14: or sacks that he that he wants that all defensive
• 58:06
  Speaker 14: lineman on Mike.
• 58:08
  Speaker 17: As good as everything was yesterday, it was the second
• 58:10
  Speaker 17: straight game we kind of a slow start in the
• 58:12
  Speaker 17: first quarter with its penalties and things on both sides football.
• 58:16
  Speaker 17: How concerned are you about those slow starts.
• 58:18
  Speaker 15: And can you put your finger.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: On maybe what's going on there?
• 58:23
  Speaker 14: No, I mean, we want to start fast, and if
• 58:26
  Speaker 14: we don't, I mean there's a lot of game left.
• 58:28
  Speaker 14: So there's games where we started fast and you know
• 58:32
  Speaker 14: gave up some you know, some yards after that or
• 58:35
  Speaker 14: whatever it may be. You know, just being ready to go.
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: It just sounds so you know, again adjusting quickly to
• 58:42
  Speaker 14: what they're doing offensively, I mean what they're doing to us,
• 58:45
  Speaker 14: you know when we're on a defense, you know, moving
• 58:48
  Speaker 14: parts and just settling down, probably just settling down on
• 58:51
  Speaker 14: their script and saying, hey, these are these are new
• 58:54
  Speaker 14: formations that they hadn't previlegedly shown or these are new motions.
• 58:58
  Speaker 14: They let's settle down and then make a stop. And
• 59:01
  Speaker 14: some of that, you know, it is our own doing.
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: Uh.
• 59:04
  Speaker 14: Some of it was you know, some new scheme plays
• 59:09
  Speaker 14: and then you know, I mean I'm trying to think
• 59:11
  Speaker 14: here the special teams. You know, I thought we we
• 59:15
  Speaker 14: did okay, we had you know, a hold forty yards
• 59:18
  Speaker 14: from the ball. We covered the exactly what we talked
• 59:21
  Speaker 14: about with the dirty kick and being able to you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 14: put those guys in a position to field it had
• 59:27
  Speaker 14: a good return, you know, just unfortunately that that they
• 59:31
  Speaker 14: called the penalty that they did offensively had a shot
• 59:37
  Speaker 14: at the first third down, you know, didn't go that way,
• 59:41
  Speaker 14: didn't hit it, timing everything else. So you know, whether
• 59:46
  Speaker 14: we start faster, we don't, We're still going to have
• 59:48
  Speaker 14: to be really good for the rest of the you know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 14: three and a half quarters or whatever it ends up being.
• 59:55
  Speaker 14: And uh, you know, we'll keep working towards that and
• 59:58
  Speaker 14: keep making that a priority. But I did like the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 14: fact that we answered and like we talked about, just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 14: takes one play and it happened to be Marcus's yesterday,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 14: and everything kind of took off from there.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: And now great moments in history.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 17: I believe they were not in pads, right, l Yeah, pads,
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  Speaker 17: which you always ask every Wednesday, and then finally the
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  Speaker 17: answer changed and you weren't here.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: So do you think they will not be in pads
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: all week? Or will they be in pads today?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: I think they were in in in pads, but not
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: like full pads yesterday. I think it was light pads,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: but I have to double check on That's even better
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: because I know, I like, now I'm doubting myself a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: little bit.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we noticed too in the locker room, Mac had
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: on one of the scuba hats, so it seemed like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: he's trying to.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of the players, that's true. See, like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: if you were here, you would have asked these questions
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 7: and we would have told the listeners about these things.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: I like, you feel attacked and what the mood was
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: supposed to do?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: No, he did. He asked all the requisite questions. We
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: were upset that you weren't here to hear the answer. Yeah,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: I know we would have gotten to this point. A
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  Speaker 5: lot did a good job.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: A lot of the players are wearing like sweatshirts or
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: layers underneath their their their practice outfits because the heat
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: they want to they wanna be hot, be hot because
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  Speaker 7: of Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 5: Huh, that's it.
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  Speaker 7: That's your recap of yesterday's I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: If that translates because when you were in Miami, the
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  Speaker 2: heat comes from the sun right outside rather than coming internally.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's a different type of hot. Yea, I think
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: still hot, though.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Where did the heat come from?
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  Speaker 5: No more full pads at practice, No more full had practice.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Freddy was very upset we had this.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: Rabel was asked about this a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: and I don't think it was last thing two weeks ago,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: and he actually said that he doesn't see the difference
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: between shells in full pads because they're not going to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: be cutting, as he's put it, in practice, so they're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: not going to be hitting each other's legs in practice,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: so they about upper body pads of the shoulder pads
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: to him, is the same as being in full pads.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: If you're not going to tackle. I guess it doesn't matter.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, that was.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy with that.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: I think there should be we need some tackling going
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: on in practice because we're having we're we're low in
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: the stats and tackling.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: So you want them to tackle to the ground.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: And yes, and I'm.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Not saying like goal line, we're talking about it after
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the game. Like the cone drill where you're one on one,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I want to bring the guy to the ground.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's around Oklahoma drills. I hear what you're saying.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: I don't think I highly do any of the thirty
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: two teams do that.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: This timing maybe I don't agree with it.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're not tackling.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: Well, it is an interesting and this is not really
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: the point right now, but if you're not going to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: play anybody in preseason and you're not going to tackle
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: to the ground in training camp at all, like the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: patriotsdn't tackle to the ground a single day in training camp,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: and then the starters barely played in the preseason. So
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: stands the reason the first month of the season you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: can't tackle.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Well, but not but that goes for every team, right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: Well, some teams might treat it differently. Some teams might tackle.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: To the ground in practice or play in the preseason.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: Or play in the preseason.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I just think interesting. You have to practice what you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: play right, and tackling is a big part of one
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: of the most important parts. I know, I get it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: It's one of the casualties of the new rules reducing,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: you know, for player safety, and that's I think something
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: that's suffered.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I know, more players hopefully healthy and avoiding.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: More concussions and that kind of stuff, like line depth,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: it's been a little better.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: I think what we did, you know, not to make excuses,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: but Miami's skill group is is just really good.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: Like that's really hard.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Like a Chan's breaking tackles last night, just the same
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: way he was breaking tackles against the Patriots a couple
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: of weeks ago. He's just a really good player. But
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: it's been an issue.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the emails.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Curtis and Saint Louis writes in what a game beautiful
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: job is always on the postgame show. I agree with
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: everything you said. We all know Carolina isn't a very
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: good team this year, or at least thus far, but
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: to win in that fashion, putting that I.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Don't know what he's talking about.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Anyway, If I'm vable in stretch and Wolf, I'm getting
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: on the phone and I'm making offers to teams to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: try to require a big play wide receiver. I know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I know, why would teams trade their guys? The Patriots
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: are still building and afar from contending. I don't care.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I want Drake to be that guy and that difference maker.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: So rather sooner rather than later, helped build him and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: develop him. I'm calling Philly. I know, why would they
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: trade Brown? They're four and zero Cincinnati. I'm okay, But
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: so his point is he wants to get a big
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: time receiver or you know, a semblance of a w
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: R one right away.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: We might have a semblance of one.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: I don't dis miss Cincinnati.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Which one? Yeah, I mean, like, this is what you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: have to do. You have to be aggressive. I'm on
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: board with this. I don't know if it would happen,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: but this is where you have to find Like when
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: opportunity strikes and the team's having an off season, which
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: the Eagles aren't, but you know, and somebody becomes available,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: this is the time to strike.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: I don't think a J. Brown is becoming available now.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: I could be proven wrong on that, but this maybe
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: a week or two away for Cincinnati saying he's last year.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: You know it was a one year deal, right, I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: mean he's going to be a free and again, I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: don't think what you can. Don't think it's out of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: the roma possibility that they say, you know, we had
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: a lot of aspirations this year. It didn't work out. Unfortunately,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: the quarterback went down. We'll get something for him and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: move on.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Then, with Digs in the slot perfectly. I'd like to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: joke about the soft but he would pit well. I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: mean you could see the need for the player, just
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: a good player.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys watched any of that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: plays down the sideline, he's.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, I mean, Ted's just a Ted reminding him.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: But that's the big He had a big one taken
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: away too for like one of those garbage alignment penalties
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: that had nothing to do with it, had nothing to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: do with the play. Yeah, I would take I would
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: take T Higgins and I think there's a chance that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: Cincinnati would be willing to deal them. Okay, I would
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: take him.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying I wouldn't, but there is something nice
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: about how every week so far it's been somebody different
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: that has stepped up for the Patriots, like week one's Booty,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: Week two is Remandre, week three as Hunter Henry, week
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: four Stefon Diggs, and they have really good balance right now. Now,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that a number one ride receiver can't help.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that, but I just know that there's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: certain quarterbacks when you talk to those guys, when they
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: feel forced to get a certain player of the football
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: and so then they start to kind of get pressure
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: from inside, pressure from outside. Like in Philadelphia right now,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: you have to imagine that we got to get AJ
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: Brown going, We got to get AJ Brown going, but
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: they got to get AJ Brown going, right, Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: They targeted him nine times. Yeah, and they only only
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: had two connections. So clearly Jalen Hurst is fling it
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: to AJ Brown, and you know, they got a lot
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: of static. I mean, we don't turn this into a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: Philly segment, but they got a lot of static because
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: there was just no creativity to what they were doing.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: I mean against the Rams the week before. I evidently
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: AJ Brown was a big part of that second half comeback.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love AJ Brown. I mean he's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite players in league. I would love
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: to bring him here. But does it give you any
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: pause of him kind of being a pain in the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: ass when they're four and oh no, and it's you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: know it would do it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Posting on social media.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: I think this, it's the age old thing. You did
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: this with Diggs, Deuce like you know me.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I know you don't know, but I love az Brown
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: like I love Brown in a way that even more.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: Now Diggs is here and you've embraced him.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I am very much to see his thing.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It's another reason to root against the Bengals, and I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: like that Austin and Oklahoma rights. And I'm currently unable
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to guarantee a win against Buffalo, but I will guarantee
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: that if the Patriots beat the Bill's Sunday, the window
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: is officially closed and the Patriots are back in their
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: rightful place at the top of the division and will
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: host a home playoff game this year. So it's all
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: hinging on a win against Buffalo in Week five and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Week five okay, to.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Get within a game of first place.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Like it No, but I mean it might be asking
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: a lot for a win, but I think there are
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: quite a few different outcomes that you could come out
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: of this game feeling positive about, you know, the trajectory
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: to the team. And you know, we really haven't talked
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: at all about the defensive side of the ball, and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: to me, that's my biggest concern this week going against
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: that offense with some of the concerns we've seen with
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: this defense covering tight ends, handling running backs who can catch.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I think this is right now kind of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: a tough matchup for the Patriots, and I'd say going
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: forward into the offseason next year, there needs to be
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: probably if it continues to look like it has with
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: these specific facets of the Patriots defense, it's it's going
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: to be something they have to figure out because you've
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: got to get through Buffalo and you have to have
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: a way to deal with those guys Kincaid, Knox, James Cook.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I think right now you've got some players to handle
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: some wide receivers.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: But do you think defensively they potentially are set up
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: a little bit better to deal with that offense. You know,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: I'm a big part of it's going to be their
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: run defense, which as we've talked about. I think has
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: been pretty good. You know, for the most part, I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: don't think it was as good at this game as
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: it was the first three. But I think it's been
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: pretty good. But you have guys you don't have to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: sort of sell out to get pressure. They've gotten some
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: pressure with far More and and Landry. I don't know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: they might be they might be able to flood some
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: coverage zones in this game. I don't think that the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: Bills receiving corps is they're a lot like the Patriots.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: They have, you know, a bunch of guys that can
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: make catches, but they don't have anybody that's really great.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: No, and that's I mean, as good as Josh Allen is.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Like I almost find myself being more concerned with James
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Cook and just how the Patriots playing. You know, I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: think they play eighty percent nickel now, so they're playing light.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's a Kyle Duggar kon of game. Maybe you
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: put him into the mix a little bit more trying
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: to deal with with Cook, but he's a big problem.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: First down, they're.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Going to hand the ball off to him under center,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: and he's going to make plays. I mean he's you know,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: a top two or three back right now by most metrics,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: So you know, it's weird to say, oh, I'm not
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: worried about Josh Allen.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a huge problem.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: But I just don't know what this Patriots run defense
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: truly is, especially when they say we have to stop
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: the run.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they you know, and I don't know if they can.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Sell out to stop it, because then it's Josh Allen nightmare.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: So stopping the run not a nickel and figuring out
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe it is a little more Tonga or
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: something like that, But that, to me is where the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: game plan kind of has to start.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: First down, figuring out how you can contain Cook.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah he's cook right now? Is like he's he's really good.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, the fact that they can get under center
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: and just run the ball at you now in Buffalo
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: is why their offense is the most efficient in the league. Like,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: Allen's great, he's the MVP, but their ability to just
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: you know, do paulicing conventional, turn it around and hand
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: the ball off to the running back like that has
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: really balanced out their offense. So now it's not as
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: volatile as it was. A couple of years ago, or
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: it's you know, Haymakers back and forth with Alan, but
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: he would make some mistakes and you would, you know,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: be able to win some rounds on him. I just
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: wonder with their receivers and with this whole offense, a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: lot of teams are just playing a lot of soft
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: zone coverage and allowing Alan to check the ball down,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: and they are just eating after the catch like Shakir
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: and these guys are just piling up yards after the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: catch because everybody's backing off and is afraid of Josh Allen.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: And if I was the Patriots, I do think about
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: we have Gonzo, we have Carlton Davis, because anybody actually
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: challenged these Buffalo receivers and gotten in their faces at
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage and try to throw the timing
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: off and try to get Alan to hold the football,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: and you know, all these dinking dunk screens and things
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: like that. It's just killing teams. It's they're killing teams
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: like that. So I just wonder, if you're the Patriots,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: if maybe you kind of take the fight to them
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: a little bit.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: I like it on Sunday night.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounds great in theory to just make them
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: march and make them go on these long drives and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: do it hopefully stop them in the red zone. But
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: then Kleo Shakur breaks two tackles and it's a forty
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: five yard touchdown.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: And win the toss. Do you defer take the ball?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: I would defer, but I like deferring.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I do that my flag football coaching as well, because
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: we've done both this year.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, that was and that was very
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: able to stay and wanted a fast start. I just
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: think that the defense has kind of been flipped on
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: its head for me, because you know, under Bill all
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: those years, you always felt like, well, they got big guys,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: they should be able to generally stop the run, but
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: they never it was sometimes struggle for pass rush juice.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: And now I feel like, let's get to third and eight.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: I feel pretty good when they're in third and eight.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: It's like first and ten, second and five, like those
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: are the downs that terrify me now instead of you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: now I feel pretty good about their pass rush. They're
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: going to get after the quarterback.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: That's the first and second down.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: Whorry would buffalo like if you back off and you
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: just let them take profits all day long on first
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: and second down. You're never going to be in third
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: and long.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: That's why I just go get them right like that.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Do you have nothing to lose in this game?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: Play aggressive play man?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: Trust your guys on the outside to play Manta man
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: like Kean Coleman Shakir Like they're good players, but they're not.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: This is they don't have a digs out there that's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: going to kill you in Manta man coverage.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: I just I would like to see them do that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: But I'm glad you brought up the defense because we
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: haven't really talked about the defense much. And Christian Barmore
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: and Milton Williams are a problem.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Like those two.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: Earning those paychecks, Like I know they're expensive, but they
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: are Millon Williams has been worth every penny, like he
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: is a game wrecord, Like.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: That's good to see. Those are two guys that.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: Teams are going to start the game plan for if
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: they haven't already.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Max in Atlanta writes in I want to make sure
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I don't get let recency bias impact my question. So
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: now that we know for a fact, he says that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Drake May is the best quarterback in the NFL, do
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: we trade away our first round pick for an impact player.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: This goes back to our T Higgins.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I'm much more in that realm right now than I've
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: ever been in the past.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, depends on who it is.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: It depends on who it is. But I'm much more
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: interesting now.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think that you need to give up necessarily
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: a first round pick to get T Higgins.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: No, because you're gonna have to give him a contract.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Spiring contracts, you know. But yes, I'd be interested in
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: acquiring an impact, high impact player, especially on offense.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And he says, I typically on support trading away a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: first round pick. But since we're going to be picking
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: thirty second overall, so.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: But I mean, like he's joking, But I mean, but
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: even if you're in the mid first round, it's it's not, oh,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: we're potentially cheering around trading away the fourth overall pick,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: you know. So, I it depends on the player. But
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I think that's the point you're getting to. There are
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: definite needs, depends on the you know, I think they
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: definitely could. You are going to need a pass rusher
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: long term, a defensive end who can play every down,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of like Landry does eventually. I think
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: the safety position, the linebacker position, those will all be
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: but that that wide receiver ones out there and you
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: have a chance if you.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: Want that, if that particular position is what you're interested in.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: You know, Tyreek Hill going down last night hurts that,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily because the Patriots would have been
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: interested in Tyreek Hill, but he could have been a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: guy that's available, and that's one less team that's looking
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: for that. Yeah, you know, like let's say he went somewhere, Well,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: that opens up your possibility of getting one of the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: other ones that might be available.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: And we're a little bit of a victim of the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: moment right now. But like you would think that there
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: would be some excitement to come here for a player like,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: you know, a T.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Higgins. It doesn't feel like right I'm going to New England.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: It's been a waste land.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Like there's some positive vibes here right now. We'll see
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: how long they last and they vibration.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: I agree with that.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: Come on, you gotta watch Drake May and be like,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: you know, if you give T Higgins, they have Patriots tapency.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: All these ex routes that Kishan Boudi is running, We're
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: gonna put you there and then we're gonna have digs
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: on the other side. Like Higgins, you're all of a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: sudden like okay, And if.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: You're Higgins and you're saying like they don't they don't
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: want to keep me, or they can't keep me with
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: Borrow and Chase they can't afford because I mean, if
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: I were Higgins, I would just rather stay where I am. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: and wait for Borrow to come back next year and
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: try again. But if they don't want them, and it
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: certainly seems like they said maybe they don't want him
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: as not the right term, they can't they can't figure
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: out a way to do it because they're so cheap.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and then another way it looks to me,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: another selling point is this pretty much this whole offense
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: is coming back next year. I mean, everybody's under contract.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: I know things can change, but you know, it's like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: the Austin Hoopers. There's a couple of guys on one
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: year deals, but otherwise all the receivers, Drake.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: The running backs, the line.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's all coming back next year. So
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: just continuity, that's a positive thing.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Ted in Las Vegas.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: According to Tankathon, the two lowest strengths of schedule as
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: of today are the Patriots at three sixty eight in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Buffalo at three eighty two. No other team is under
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: a four hundred. We need to see both May and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Allen step up against good teams.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: He's the only kidding.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: Well, both teams play the NFC South this year.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: That terrible schedules in the ANFC for them.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: The division games against the Jets and the Dolphins are not.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: I would just say Buffalo did be Baltimore. He's kidding, No, No,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: I know he is. I know he is.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Baltimore the tough place, but they've had a tough schedule.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: But that's why the record for Buffalo is so bad
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: is because Baltimore is uncharacteristically one in three r not
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: all one in three's are the same.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: True, right, Chris and Santa Fe New Mexico. It's a
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: how do I participate in kurseh words?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: The chat? It's always says.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Waiting for approval from moderator, and my post never show. Well,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: here's the thing to you, Chris and everybody else. I
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: get hundreds and hundreds of comments coming through. I'm watching
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: the game I look down and if something catches my eye,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I post it. So there's a better than good chance
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't even see your comment, but keep trying.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: That's all I can say. You got like a like
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: a velvet rope to get into your chat. It's it's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: just timing. So it's all about timing. It's all about timing.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: So as it should be. Digital Gold Club member.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Uh Ford and Savannah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: While you were talking about digs in the slot today,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I had a revelation. You now have a Patriot's brand
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: name for soaping the slots, digs in the slot. Keep
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: your forever Foxborough fresh with digs in the slot. M
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: that was okay, there you go.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: We tried so op on the outside a crusade. I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: just I love it.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: It's weird the things that crawl out my keyster and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Buddy and it's just like where again this is one
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: person says something and then everyone just starts repeating it,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: and I'm like seeing it all over the internet.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: That the slot, that's what.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: And then we're watching you know, the Paul shows and
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: then digs in the slot and like scotch.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: Olexiting right there, like tell him so you.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Know, Nick and Arizona. Nick and Arizona says, please correct
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Paul on T.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Higgins. He's not on an expiring contract.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: He signed a four year, one hundred and fifty million
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: dollar contract in March.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, my bad, he signed an extension. I didn't
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: correct because I wasn't one hundred percent sure. I thought
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: maybe you knew something I didn't know.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: I thought he signed a one year extension. He signed
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: up maybe never mind, No, never mind.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: That, but it's it's technically like a two year deal. Hey,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: there's an out.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: However, right, Andrew in La says he saw it bad.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: No, but I gave really bad information.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Andrew and La says he saw that Higgins can be
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: traded with little to no cap hit.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Oh on the Bengals cap.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Forget the Caps crap. But they clearly did something that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: I didn't think they did. They invested in them.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well kind of.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: They gave it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: He took one of the most team friendly start.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I just thought that they gave him a one year
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: thing and said let's run it all back one more time.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize he signed a four year deal, even
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: if it's only a two year deal. My guess is
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: he wants to stay there.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, James Pettig grew the most interesting Patriots fan in
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: the world. Rights in question for Paul, do we score
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: sixty with Chisholm starting at least?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Imagine how many punt return touchdowns he would have had
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: we have great play strength.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: I have a question for Paul. How many points did
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: the Patriots offense score on Sunday?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: I mean he would he would subtract fourteen.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: I think yeah. But here's here's the thing, and Mike
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: can be my witness to this. There are times when
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: special teams points or points that you wouldn't have gotten.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think that game was one of them. I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: think the Patriots offense, after the first drive of the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: game for the next I don't know, four or five possessions,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: just drove the ball downfield at will. So had let's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: say the second punt return didn't happen, my guess is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: they would have driven sixty one years just.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: A normal return.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: So, yes, they only really scored twenty eight, but I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: would say in this case it's closer to forty two
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: because of how well the offense played.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: That's very magnanimously. We've come a long way. You've come
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: a long way.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: I don't really think it's that hard even think. I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: think you watch a game and you analyze what you see, right.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Evan said something earlier in the show when we were
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: talking about running game and I had made the comment
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: that all three running backs averaged more than four yards
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: to carry, and Evan had a very logical yeah, but
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: that was on the other side saying a lot of
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: it was kind of window dressing. You get an end
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: around to this guy, a fake end around to that guy,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: which sprung this guy for that one. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: you're kind of right. He didn't just line it up,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: and he's.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Come a long way. No, no, like even to.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Give him those points come a long way.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: I think Paul, I give him credit because he always
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: embraces the rare times when he is corrected or you know,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: someone comes up with a good argument back at him,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: and I think he is always like, that's a good highlights.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: We go, we just went viral. Do you know what?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Like you had the whole thing about this digs thing
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: that crawled up your keyster. You know what really crawls
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: up my keyster is when someone is clearly wrong, and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: no matter what you do to tell that person he's wrong.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: You know, in factual they won't ever just wont it
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: bothers me? If you talk, if you talk for a
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: living and you're analyzing sports or whatever you're doing, you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: know you're gonna say stupid stuff. You're going to say
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: things that are wrong. You're gonna make predictions that don't
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: end up happening. You can pretend that you were right,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: but then I think people see through that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: So I think it's happened once or twice in my
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: six years here that Paul's like, actually do So that's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: a good argument.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: You're right, I'm very I'm a very opinionated guy, so
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: sometimes I'm gonna they're gonna be way off.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Well, sometimes he's a subjective too, and then you'll, you know,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: you'll cling to your beliefs that nuanced or everything.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: Let's go back to this game. We'll go back to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: the Panthers game. I think you could make an argument
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: that the other team gets the ball first, they go
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: right down the field, Patriots went three and out, Panthers
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: get the ball again. They start to go right down
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: on the field again and inexplicably run a draw from
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: the Patriots side of the field. On third and long.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: I think they were trying to set up a situation
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: where they could go for it on fullurth down into
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: the Patriots credit. They stopped the draw for a little
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: to no gain. Horrifically bad call. Right then they punt
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: and the guy returns at eighty seven.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Yards right right, big swing, big swing.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: If you change one play, okay, instead of running a draw,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: they throw it past the tech McMillan for a first
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: down or no, no, no play, they throw it past the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: tech McMillan for a first down. Could you make an
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: argument that that that game doesn't end forty two to thirteen?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would like there's a lot of nuance
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: that goes on to things. Now you can only go
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: by what actually happened, And what actually happened is Marcus
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Jones changed the game. The game got flipped on its
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: head right there, and they took that. Then the next
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: drive was probably the most effective Patriots drive I've seen
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: in about four or five years. The first time down
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: drive they made it fourteen six was one of the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: best looking Patriots drives that I've seen in a long time.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: Like chunk play, chunk play, chunk play touchdown, like when
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: was when have we seen that?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: You know? And now what happened back and what happened
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: at fourteen to six?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Mike, Oh jeez, you gonna put me on the spot.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: With this capitulation, right, just saying piece of where out?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: No, they were there, and I think there were a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: couple third down.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: I think when it was actually when they missed the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: field goal. I think it was fourteen six when they
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: missed the field goal, not today, Like, yeah, I don't
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: think it's gonna happen. You should go to the game
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: check back broke the h two things.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: One they did drive into Patriots territory on six of their.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: Several times six of the Brice.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: Young's nine possessions. And just watching the game back, on defense,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: I didn't think that it was like in this dominant
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: defensive effort like the scoreboard necessarily suggested, and some of
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: the plays that the Panthers made, you just worry that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: like better offenses, like I don't know, Buffalo are going
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: to be able to hit some of those same notes
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: and it's going to look a lot different. But on
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: you know, the plus side of things, the Patriots won
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: like all of the important third downs in this game.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: I said, like I said to you guys, like I
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: feel like the Panthers have had the ball at the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: Patriots forty this entire game. Yeah, and they had thirteen
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: points to show.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: For it, knocking on the door.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: But all the time when there was like the Patriots
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: won all the important downs.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, when there was like a high leverage third down, yeah,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: the Patriots won all of them. And you know, really
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: their their pass rush won all of them. But yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: it was that was good to see. But there was
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: there was some leakiness on the defense, like it was
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: not That's why I was thirteen game on defense.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I still don't know what it is.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: It's been an hour and a half of you know,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: we're talking about you know, playoff team and changing the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: narrative and all that stuff, and I'm on board with
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: it all. Believe me. I am. I think that you
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: showed that you separated yourself from those teams. And I
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: know it was only one game, but I think they did.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: But you, to Evan's point, you have a situation where
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: a bad offense, and Carolina is a bad offense in
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: a thirty to nothering win the previous week, they played
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: bad offense.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: Like one hundred and twenty pouns?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Right, what happens if you get in a situation where
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: Buffalo is playing this week and you're playing a similar
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: kind of defense, and instead of getting to the forty,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: they get into your end zone every time. Now, instead
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: of being able to throw the ball seventeen times and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: having Drake May look like a star, and having the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: offensive line look like they're giving all this protection, by
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: the way, against the team that it had one sack
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: all year, how does it look when Greg Russeau and
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: Joey Bosa, you know, and aj Epinessa are coming after
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: you with the two school leads.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Totally, so totally, that's the flip.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: Side of this whole thing. Now, hopefully we won't find
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: that out. Hopefully the Patriots go into this Buffalo game
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: and they run the ball effectively against the team and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think stops the run very well, and you're
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: able to get a lead and dictate the way the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: game is played and make Josh Allen, you know, have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: to have the pressure of keeping up.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I was just saying.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: I just I don't feel like I really know who
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: this defense truly is yet, and they need to see
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: how they stack up against the really good teams, and
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: what does it look like when you know, you really
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: have to stop the run or you really have to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: you know, get off the field and some of these
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: long drives the teams are putting together on them and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: this will be a proving ground this week for them
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: to see what what they really have, uh, because it's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: you know, like you said, they haven't really faced a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: lot of dynamic teams, and even then it's been circumstantial
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: the way they've kind of pulled out the winners.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: To play three bad offenses and the one good offense
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: they played is kind of in disarray in Miami.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but they like not having Gonzo just from like,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: how are they going to game plan teams perspective, like
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: they didn't have.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: That's the wildcard. That's like the one wildcard of it
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: I mean it looks like when the best player and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: the team is back on the field.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: The results I just more mean, like, you know, they
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: haven't been traveling with receivers.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, less options.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: So like one of.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: The things that ver Abel pointed out after the game
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 7: was that the Panthers kept moving tet inside and they
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: were kind of hiding where they were going to line
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: up tet down to down, and they were moving him
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: around a lot, and so he actually got matched up
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: on Jalen Hawkins a few times. Oh yeah, which is
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: not a matchup that you want if you're the Patriots.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: No offense to Jalen Hawkins. But now that they have
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: Gonzo back at full strength, like this Gonzo now travel
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: inside with the Ted McMillan, Like, I don't know how
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: this coaching staff is going with this game.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: I just don't know.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: Who on who like Shakir, because like Shaki is a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: slot receiver.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: Wondering if you just take a guy like ke On Coleman,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: who I think you kind of agree with me on
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: key On Coleman. He's okay, but I don't think he's
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: anything special. I don't think he's a great road runner. Yeah,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: I think you could eliminate him with with probably either
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: one of them.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I think I would go Man on Man and I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: would Key on Cook.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: I would try to like put an extra guy, Like
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: you know you have spies for quarterbacks, I'd have a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: spy for the running back, Like wherever he goes, you go,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: in addition to whatever coverage is out there. So effectively,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: you're double teaming him everywhere on the field.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: See, I think Shakira is in the passing game. Shaquira
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: is the engine of that offense. He's so if the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: problem with him is that they use him in motion
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: so much. So like if you're gonna play man to
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: man against him and they bring him in motion, like
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: now you're chasing, Like now you have to run with
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: the motion in man to man and that's hard to do. So,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: Like that's why a lot of teams just play sides
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: against Buffalo and just catch the receivers when they come
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: out of the formation in the motion. So like Shakira's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: it's hard because Shakira is not like a traditional receiver
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: where like he's just gonna be here all the time
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: and Gonzo can just stand over him, like he's gonna
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: move around, he's gonna be in motion, he's gonna be
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: in the backfields. Like so there's different things that they.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: Do with it.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Here's an early prediction game so far this season for
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Well with the Hawkins injury, it's it.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, he might say I might.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: Have to play back, and I think he I think
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: he could. I agree with Mike. The other part of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: what you guys are talking about with Shakir that would
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: worry me is if so let's say Carlton Davis takes
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: Keyon Coleman out of the game and then they decide
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: to maybe double Shakir to make sure that he doesn't
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: get this kind of yards after the catch. Because I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: like Shakiro a lot. By the way, he was one
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: of the guys in the draft that year that I
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: really liked, both Josh Allen especially, but specifically. Buffalo has
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: done this in the past. They now they have some
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: of these other guys that aren't always they're not world beaters,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: but like Josh Palmer's not bad. And you know, they
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: have Elijah Moore this year who's kind of a nick
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: niche kind of player. These guys are capable of making plays.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: They're not gonna like, Elijah Moore is not going to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: catch twelve passes for one hundred and fifty yards, but
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: he might catch three and and and end up with
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: like sixty because he's kind of has capability. Do you
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: remember the twenty one season after the game in Buffalo
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: that was the wind game, the three you know, the
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: fourteen or ten game, whatever, they came back here and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: josh Allen just ripped him apart. They didn't punt. Isaiah
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: McKenzie killed Miles Bryant that day. That's to me, that's
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: what I think of, Like Elijah Moore, Jortis Samuel I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: don't think it's even been active in some of these games,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: but played last so did he. Those kinds of players,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: Joshua Palmer.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: But that's the brilliins of josh Allen too. Willing to
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: go to those guys.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: He can take those third and fourth and fifth options.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: And if you decide to take that, what I really
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: want away from me, I can beat you with these
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: guys too. And by the way, dul thinking kid and Dawstins,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: we're both pretty good.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: Jackson great blocker.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they got it all right now. I mean,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Buffalo is not a lot of credit.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: This is not an easy task.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: It's probably the best offense in the NFL.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: It's a reason they score thirty every week.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Ivan's in California.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 15: Hey, Ivan, Hey guys, how you doing good? I got
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 15: a quick question, but before before that, for me, from
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 15: where I stand, I think there's just as good a chance. Honestly,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 15: we're going to go into Buffalo and get smoked. And
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 15: I'm not trying to be negative. I just feel like
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 15: the way the defense, you know, they've got great tight
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 15: ends and everything you guys have just been touching on.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 15: I just think it is one of those games where
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 15: it's going to be really hard to stop this guy.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 15: So for me, I think a win would be if
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 15: we can go into the fourth quarter with a shot
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 15: and play a clean game. You know, then you know, hey,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 15: listen as special teams player or something like that. Who knows,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 15: we get a lucky bounce. But this is a really
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 15: tough task, but it doesn't derail what they're doing. I
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 15: just like to I think, just temper the excitement. I think,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 15: you know, we have to understand the Buffalo is at
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 15: the top of their game right now, and our defense
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 15: is still you know, I think there's still a lot
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 15: to be desired, I think in certain ways. But with
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 15: that said, I'll jump to my question and then jump
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 15: and that is on offense. I know Diggs, you know,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 15: people are saying he's a slot when we know obviously
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 15: it's not just that, but thank you. I'm wondering if
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 15: how we can incorporated Kyle Williams so that we can
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 15: you know, with Diggs being in the slot, can we
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 15: what is it going to take to get him maybe
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 15: on the field, stretch the field, and uh, I think
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 15: if we can get him more involved in the offense.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: All right field a little bit more often in this game,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: and I think I've probably be able to speak to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: this better. I think they had something dialed up for
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: him a couple of different a couple of times, and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: unfortunately they weren't able to That was kind of an
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: ill advice. That was after the after the bogus face
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: mask on Hooper, they ran an end around for like
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: minus two. Yeah, but I think they ran a shot
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: play to Williams earlier.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: In the game.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: They they've done that, honestly, going all the way back
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: to Week one or week two. Week two against Miami,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: they ran a one man route to him on a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: double reverse face and it was him that was running
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: the go and they ran yet last week they tried
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: to run a double move to him towards the end
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: of the game against Pittsburgh. He was on the outside,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: ran a little out and up just didn't bite up.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: So they've tried a few different things, you know, on
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: the digs, crossing route explosive. He was on the deep
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: post that occupied the safety. So I don't think that
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: Kyle Williams has been like I know everybody wants him
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: to get into the box score, and I know everybody
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: wants them to get production and things like that. But
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: he's playing, you know, he's he's the outside vertical stretch
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: of their offense when he's on the field, and sometimes
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: that's just to clear out space. It's not necessarily to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: get him the football. I think he's done a fine
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: job at it. You know, I have no quibbles with
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: what he's doing right now.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I would agree.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Boston Cream wants to know when you gave the nod
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: last game, second quarter, fourteen to six.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were gonna say it, and I
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: don't give the nots.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: I don't give the knot anymore.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Right, So say that. So you didn't give the not
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: the nod.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: I don't give it publicly anymore.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: No, no more public it's behind a paywall.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: You have to get this game is over in the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: second quarter.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Okay he did, Yeah, but you're not publicly giving a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: nod anymore?
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: And why is that?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Because they don't earn it?
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, they haven't earned.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: There's been too many nods, mental nods that they were like.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: I'll give you the most recent example was Week two. Yeah,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: I looked at Mike. I said, I think this game
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: is over. Five minutes later they were losing.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Mike.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when you get mad at me. Sometimes Mike
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: gets mad.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Come on, I give the nod, you know, just real quick.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: I think I brought up Malcolm Mitchell in the past.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: It's just an example of kind of an outside rookie
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: receiver and you know, his snaps. I kind of a
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: gainst what I was going to look for. But in
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, right out of the gate, thirty nine snaps,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: thirty one snaps. I mean, first game, five targets, you know,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: two catches. But he's just active right out of the gate,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: which I just think is interesting. Be a little patient
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: with Kyle Williams, but clearly they know what he can do.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: And I mean I agree with the general sentiment. I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: think people see it like eventually him on the outside
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: and you know work.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: You know, before the season's over. It's just I don't know,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: not going to put a deadline on it. I'd like
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: to see him sort of emerge, you know, ahead of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: like Mac Collins. And I'm not talking about the same role.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: Don't like this is not like, oh he's playing this
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: role and he doesn't do that, Paul. I'm saying the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: amount of snaps Mac Collins gets I would like to
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: see flip flop. You know, Mac Collins gets fifteen snaps
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: and Kyle Williams ends up getting thirty or whatever the
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: case may be.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: But like, what did I call it Mac Hollins in
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: the summer. I don't know if it was four or five,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: but like he's an ideal five. He's like guy who
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: plays special teams. He's got some size. He'll go out there,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: can blow, you know, he can catch. But but if
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Williams can emerge as that two three guy, you know,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: like compliment.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: Not going to take Mac Collins off the field.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: He's an ideal is what I want to see. I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: didn't say it was going to happen.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: But it's just his blockings too valuable. And I know
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: that that drives people crazy, but his ability to block
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: allows them.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: To thought he was shaking your head up my scouting
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: report on the no, no, no, it's like that he
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: does all those things.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: His ability to block allows their whole early down sequencing
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: to work. Like the fact that they can run and
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 7: play action pass out of the same formations is because
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: they have receivers that can block. So if you take
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: him off the field, like Kyle Williams is not gonna
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: he's not going to be digging out the nickel Paul.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: So you know, I know it's like boring and like.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: For a love of the game routes, but he ain't
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: gonna be digging out the nickel.
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  Speaker 18: Just one thing, Like, how refreshing was seeing this offense
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 18: set up some plays last week?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: How refreshing was it? Very was very refreshing.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: I think I needed a shower?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: He did. He's still very refreshing, you tell us, But
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: were you refreshed?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 18: Yeah, that was refreshing. But my question is I tuned
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 18: in a little late, So stop me if you've already
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 18: answered this. But the past couple of years, we've been
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 18: really bad against running quarterbacks, I guess all quarterbacks.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 15: For that matter.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 18: But like you, guys are critical third downs, Like, last
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 18: thing I want to see is a close game, Josh Allen,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 18: you know, starts running on third downs. Like, do you
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 18: think we have someone that can, like we could put
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 18: as a spy. We've gone like lighter at lighter at linebacker.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 18: There's someone that can keep pace with Josh Allen in
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 18: that aspect?
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean my question, I mean it's it's a
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: good question, but like everybody's trying to keep MVP of
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: the league.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: But I do think there's guys that can keep pace
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: for them. But can you tackle them?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 14: Right?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: I mean there's not a lot of depth on the
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Patriots defense, so there's not a lot to like tack too.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: But that's why I highlight Douger. Maybe Dougger has to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: fill in for Hawkins though and play safety or Marty Mapu.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I just I think he's you know, got some size,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: he moves pretty well, and we'll see what happens.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: Both those guys can run with Josh Allen. I think
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: Robert Splaine can probably run, you know with Can they
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: get him on the ground. Nope, I'm not saying that
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: because no, no disrespect to the players that we just mentioned.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen is the best player in football.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 7: They had a third down against the Saints where they
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 7: Saints like we're sending pressure, could him mount and on
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 7: third down? And he finally just said, like it, I'm
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: just gonna run. And he's just like stiff arming guys
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 7: and he was just like, I'm just gonna take off.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't I don't know what you do
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 7: about that.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: And it's close late is when you get those runs. Yeah,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: he put the game away.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah I'm gonna And then he'd rent a naked and
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 7: just really put the game away and like it was
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: just like all right, I don't know, but you gotta
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 7: put him in the trash compactor. Right, Like when they
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: rush the quarterback, you don't want to be flying up
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: the field. You don't want to be out of gaps
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: because if you open a gap up he's just gonna
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: take it, so you gotta put it collapse the pocket.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Rochester, New York. As the unofficial quarterway point
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: of the season. If the players below exceeded, met or
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: failed to meet whatever expectations you had for them going
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: to the season.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: Will Campbell exceeded exceeded.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I'd say he met my expectations because I had high expectations.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: I did too, that's fair.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Garrett Bradbury exceeded, exceeded, Okay, Milton Williams, I know what
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: Evan thinks.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: Exceeded.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Carlton Davis.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: That's the last one, last underwhelming.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever their sceeded, meta, failed.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Failed, failed, so far, it's a stretch my three options
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: for Carlton Davis.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 7: Hear what you guys are saying, but failed seems.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: Failed is definitely a harsh word.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: But that was the option.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: The option was exceeded.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Below expectations, below expectations. We just go with blow expectations
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: because I don't.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: Think he's been a failure a point. I don't think
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: he's been a failure, but I don't think he's met expectations.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Been banged up a lot, he missed a lot of practice.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: It's penalty.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 7: The penalties are not great.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: Christian Barmore, Oh, I can say I'm gonna say exceeded
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: because I I still had some questions.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: I'd say exceeded too.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: He's been and you know his availability.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: There's ah Met Matt.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't have Miami.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: I would have said exceeded, but that was you know, yeah,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: just he hasn't stabbed him yet.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: No, no, no disrespect to Booty, but I see him
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: as kind of one of the guys that you're trying
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: to upgrade, you know, down the line. That's a position
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: where you need a dynamic player who's going to make
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: it hard. He's turned into like a very gritty, like
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: a possession receiver, plays on the outside receiver.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: Even that catch the other day, it's like he you know,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: the he's on the ground. It was a little underthrown.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: Do you see how he caught it? Like usually when
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: you're on the ground, you're like scooping the ball off
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: the turf. He that was a handsketch out in front
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  Speaker 5: of him about six inches off the ground. That was
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  Speaker 5: a good hands catch.
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  Speaker 3: It almost makes me wonder if he's miscast a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and like, you know, is he does he have the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: dynamic athleticism to play on the outside and really do
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: what they truly need him to do, or would he
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: be better served as a guy who can catch the
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: ball and move the chains like a debo.
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  Speaker 5: Debo power power what do you call power slots? Power slot?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was. He was a little bit more of that,
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  Speaker 7: and he has.
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  Speaker 1: The name for every power slot.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: Slot is the best power slot in the game.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Doug Doug Boone, IOWA says, listening to Evan talk about
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: football is like reading the King James Bible.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what that means.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I don't read the complicated. I was going to say,
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  Speaker 1: is that it's just the basic. I think they're all
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, the standards. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I read a different book, so I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 5: think you read the first plating thing in the world.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: And other people would say reading the Bible is kind
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  Speaker 5: of boring.
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  Speaker 2: Jacket and abba, uh, I thought it was Wednesday, disregardless. Man, No,
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  Speaker 2: we'll do this email today. For each of the bills below,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: each member of the p U staff must declare whether
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: he's a stutter or a stiff. No no in the middle, stutter,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: stiff Josh Allen, Studd, James Cook, Stud Dalton Kincaid.
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  Speaker 1: Really don't know. I don't think he's the first round.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Joey Bosa.
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  Speaker 7: I would say he's having a good start to the year.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I'd say Stud, but he's always injured
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: and White Stiff Yeah, Washed.
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  Speaker 7: Never does it for me.
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  Speaker 5: Was a really good player. Yeah, around with Buffalo and
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  Speaker 5: then I think he did he tear his a c
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: l oh, yeah, something like that. Yeah, he was a
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  Speaker 5: good player, but I don't think he is any very
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: good player. Howard It was a good player, really not anymore.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Darius from Louis Louisville. I also believe we can beat
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: the Bills. I'm not just riding high off our win.
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  Speaker 2: I really believe it. If we can limit turnovers a
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: force maybe one or two, we have a good chance.
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  Speaker 2: We've looked like a real NFL team for three weeks now,
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  Speaker 2: minus the five turnovers against the Steelers.
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  Speaker 5: We look like it's we look to play Missus Lincoln.
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  Speaker 1: We look like a top fifteen to seventeen team.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's probably fair. Sure like that with the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: last part fIF Yeah, they're right in the pack right low. Yeah,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: that might be low. Yeah, fifteen to seventeen.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: Especially at the quarterbacks good.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: And that was my caveat all off season.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: I just I'm so interested to see how the defense
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: stacks up against Josh Allen Lamar, you know, even Baker
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: like the really good quarterbacks.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: Do you think Lamar is going to play? When they
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: play the.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Are they rest the play?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: He's already heard Don and Philly.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: I'd like to impersonate Evan recapping a play. I love
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: his insight. Evan impersonation to set the scene. The Patriots
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: are in fifty four personnel, five running backs, four.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: Tight ends, doesn't even exist.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Y william was in.
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  Speaker 2: Motion and effectively acts this is the backside, Sniffer.
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  Speaker 7: It's not the right thing. No, this is just all wrong.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: You didn't like the backside before I move on.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: I love how much motion McDaniel's incorporated in this offense.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: The Panthers defense is in cover three Cloud one. Strake
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: notices he has no offensive lineman on the field. He
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: hits Williams for an explosive twenty yard play, a genius
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: concept only McDaniels could scheme up. And the Patriots have
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: one of the highest explosive play rates in the NFL,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: but ranked thirty first in yards and crew on those plays.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: I know what your network would say about that, barth
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: bar You think that was a good impersonation?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: No, because there's all like the backside sniffer. That's not
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: even what the sniffer does.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: It makes a bbl thing. It was kind of a
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: funny term though, Brazilian butt lift.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: I was gonna say literally, but I I will digress.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: I'll give it to him.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: Good job, Tyler writes in Fred, you and Paul are
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: the best, like grandpa or dad some of us never had.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: I just want to ask, if the offensive line goes
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: as well as it has, should we keep some wide
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: receivers or should we do what we did this year
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: and get some veterans and maybe get rid of some
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: dead weight and hopefully start hitting in the draft and
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: free agents. Hopefully Kyle Williams starts showing something that way
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: a vet William's booty, and I don't know what anyway,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what his question is.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: They need?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: So if the offensive line is fine, we just focus
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: on wide receivers. Is that is that what you think
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: you're going.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think they're going to continue to need
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: offensive linemen. It's not going to be fine forever. I
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: mean brad Berry and Owen who and Moses are closer
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: to the end in the beginning yep.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: Right, Bradberry has been good, and I think that's not
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: big for them. I'm not saying that you have been
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 7: as advertised, but thirty four years old, like they're going
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: to need a right tackle. Uh, we still don't. I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: think I fully know that Will Campbell is going to
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: be good. I don't know if Jared Wilson's going to be.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: Even if he's probably going to take over for Bradbury,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: you're gonna need another center card.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this point out anything when you's got
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: like the biggest cap hit next year, big.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: Money closer because he's not closer to the end age
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: wise like Moses, but.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: He might be asked to take a haircut this austome.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 7: I just think the good news is is that if
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: Will Campbell continues on this trajectory, like left tackle is
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: the hardest one to get, you don't.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: Necessarily if they don't have to go back in the
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: left tackle market. Yeah, that's what you need to waste
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: a high draft wasting quotes on a high draft right, So.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: Like if they need to, if they bump Wilson into center,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 7: and they don't need to draft the left guard in
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: the first.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: Round, you can get on the fourth.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: The benefit of you know, it's been good so far
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 7: from my with the offensive line is it looks like
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: they're coaching guys up again on the offensive line where
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: you're seeing week to week improve, You're seeing Ben Brown
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: get in there, and it really doesn't miss a beat
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: with the backup guard in there instead of the starter.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: Like that was the things that they were doing in
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: the heyday when Scarneckia was here, and they were just
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: able to pump out these guys.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: They were I was watching some of the game last
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: night and they were just tearing apart Miami's offensive line.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Cole Strength by the way, I getting in there with.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: The like at this point four spots, Like they were
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: talking about it last night and it was almost comical. Yeah,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: with how how many linemen did they and then you know, and.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: So you know, maybe this is unfair to them because
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: they are down into debt, but they were just pointing
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: out the things that we used to point out with
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: the Patriots whorts, like they're not in sync they're missing guys.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: You know, when you just like it goes back to
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: that point I'm in earlier, when you have two seasons
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: of four wins, you really get up to speed on
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: the subtleties of the badness that get you beat and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: the you know, the blown blocks and the you know,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: lack of spacing and all those different details that are
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: so critical.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I don't always appreciate it.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: When Evan and I argued about this earlier off. There
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: a game when the Dolphins probably should have won by
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: four touchdowns based on how badly the Jets played because
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: of those problems. They they couldn't convert a third down
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: in the second half, they took over. I mean, they
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: get a fumble recovery off the opening kickoff of the
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: second half, and they just can't score any points. And
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: you look at the end of the game and you're like,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: how do we get involved in a one possession game?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: The Jets have thirteen penalties, turned it over three times
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: to none, and they're still in the game and they
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, if not for a bogus passing appearance calling
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson in the end zone, I don't understand how
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: that's If that's interference. I don't know what the back
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: shoulder played the Diggs is. It's the same thing you like,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: they run and they put the ram out like they
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: didn't knock him over like Diggs, I don't think he
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: was just out and he makes an unbelievable catch up.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: For some reason, Chris Powler just decided I'm going to
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: ignore that the referee called it a touchdown on the field,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: went on the on the microphone after and said the
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: ruling on the field was touchdown. However offensive passing affence.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: It's on number five like he can continues to say,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: like they that that they ruled it an incomplete past.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: They didn't. It was a touchdown.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 7: That touchdown that he did catch that counted was Unbelievab's
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: really good.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: He's a receiver. I know he signed a big deal,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: but he's a received What that would take the temperature on.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: You see the false star on Teddy K yesterday that
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: they call a.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: Call and I know this is big on on Paul shows.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 7: I know Joe Murray, Jim Murray, sorry other Mary is
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: big on this, but I I agree with him. Some
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: of these ticky tack calls that are just bogging down
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: the game, like these little like alignment issues and like
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 7: the head bob for teddy.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: K last every center does that.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: We're getting way too technical with some of these.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: They cracked down on the head bob like if it's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: like sort of a you know, a sudden movement, you know,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: like it's really and they brought the rules analyst on
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: and like I thought, no, that's not what that's not
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: what they were talking about with these sudden movements. That
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: was just a normal every day act. Like it's it's
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: they're impacting games.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm calling it a show. I got things
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: We got another shot at it tomorrow catch twenty two
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: am Eastern time.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: We'll talk some fall.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: What's part take on this.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Is he he's in good, good spirits.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: He's in good spirit. I haven't talked to him since Sundays. Okay,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: all right, all right about it.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: So we'll be back at noon.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: We've got Verabel press conference tomorrow, lots to do tomorrow.
• 1:54:29
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