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What The Fuck Is Wrong With America?: Part III - Snake Oil Salesmen · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  Step right up, step right up and welcome to Hocus Pocus.
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  Lack of focus, the educational sensation on an informational
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  podcast that sells you on a dream of witchcraft,
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  paranormality, true crime, strange history, and everything
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  weird and wonderful in the world today.
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  We are back to asking the question, what is wrong with
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  America Snake oil salesman edition.
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  It's Mr. Justy, and if you believe anything I say today,
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  I've got some magic beans for you right here.
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  I'm joined by the professor who's not a messer, the Mr. with
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  the elixir, the dock you can't mock.
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  Get ready to learn. It's pushing Bird.
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  I learned my tricks from a man from China.
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  Jesus Christ and our Hostess with the most chest.
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  Get your hands on a jar of her iconic chronic and a little
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  bubonic piss and blood tonic. It's Danny Thomas.
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  Perfect. Are we ever, are we ever going
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  to let that one go? Close the doors, folks.
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  The fact that you've got jars of piss in your house and I
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  probably not. Like when you bring, you know,
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  poor unsuspecting, innocent young men back to your apartment
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  and they open the door and there is the sight and smell of jars
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  of piss and blood. Don't have jars of piss and
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  blood. Do you think like any of those
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  guys have watched the Jeffrey Dammer documentary and they're
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  just like, oh, it's that kind of.
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  Situation she about to chop me up.
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  Of pissed. Buckets of shit.
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  I don't have jars of piss and blood or shit or any any of my
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  bodily fluids. They are not Jarred and stored
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  in my house. They are used in spells and then
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  the spell is disposed of. How?
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  OK, How do you dispose of bodily fluids once you've done your
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  magic? There's a river down by my
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  apartment building. A river of piss and blood you
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  give it. You give it back, you give it to
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  the river, you give it back to the river, you give it to the
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  spirits in the river. You're committing environmental
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  crimes after you do your magic. It's.
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  All. Like just biohazard?
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  No, it's all herbs and stuff like that.
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  So it's just like that's all you're flushing down.
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  There's no like paper or wax or anything.
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  It's just pee and a bunch of herbs or blood.
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  Say. Herbs.
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  It's just blood. Herbs.
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  And he say the word herbs. Herbs.
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  You say Caribbean instead of Caribbean like a Yank, and you
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  say herbs instead of herbs like some kind of a bridge.
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  You were saying herbs? Was I?
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  Oh, sorry. I said herbs.
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  Like herbs? Yeah, I don't know.
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  I say both sometimes. I don't really know.
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  How do you say H? H.
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  H. Actually H.
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  You say H. If you say H, when did you
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  fucking piece of shit you're so Protestant A.
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  BCDEFGHIJK Yeah, HIJK. Protestant.
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  It's not even funny. It's I'm.
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  Not you see, this is what happens when people from Dublin,
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  they're just West Brits. Yeah, that's it, 100% fucking.
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  It's HHH. Presbyterian Lannister over
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  here. But if it was like honorable,
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  it's honorable, not honorable. Yeah, that's 'cause.
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  It's a silent H the. Pronunciation of words is
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  different to the pronunciation of letters do.
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  You say house or house. The house.
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  I'll believe in the house. I'll leave it.
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  I don't know. I just, it's, it's weird.
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  I don't know. I just talk.
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  I don't think about how I pronounce words.
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  You don't think about the words that are coming out of your
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  mouth. The story of Danny Thomas.
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  Exactly like I've gotten myself into and out of many different
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  sticky situations because of my mouth so.
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  You have never gotten yourself out of a situation caused by
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  your mouth. Yes, they.
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  Have I think probably. So such as.
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  Such as? I've I've bossed many HR meeting
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  see HR there you. Go what are mean?
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  Hate you. Didn't say.
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  HR. See, I do know what it is.
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  I think maybe HR is a Catholic institution and that's what
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  you're saying HR. The Catholics love a bit of HR,
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  a bit of human resources. Yeah, they love a union as well.
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  Yeah, actually, the Catholics do love a bit of human resource.
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  Just in the most like chilling awful corporate way.
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  The humans are just resource for them to plunder.
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  Terrifying. Like they just look at the
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  humanity as like a mind that they can dig into.
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  Yeah, I think it's differently English.
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  Taesor is fucking is is really scary though because it's like.
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  As of all the flags. And you're not going to lose
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  your job. And we're just here to help you.
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  And then like in the background, they're like fucking kill him
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  like. Fire this bitch.
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  Yeah, they're like they're not there.
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  And like this is what I always tell everybody when they're
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  like, hey, sure, us get involved.
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  It's like they're not there to protect you, they're there to
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  protect the company. Yeah.
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  They don't give a fuck about you.
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  They don't give a fuck about you.
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  You are a number and you will be replaced in the morning.
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  I love my job though so. If anyone from HR is listening,
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  yeah. Oh, by the way.
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  As we know from last week's episode, you love.
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  Numbers, you love the numbers. So I, I have actually listened
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  to I'm not going to do it, but I've been I I listen to like an
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  8 hour podcast who are. 8 hours. Yeah, 8 hours where they really
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  get into finer details of quantum mechanics and where they
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  discovered the hates Bolson in CERN and what they're doing in
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  CERN. And I was like, oh, I'd love to
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  do because there's a little bit more like that you can add on to
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  the simulation theory. Add Yeah.
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  No, I. Was like, no, I can't do with
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  the Danny. I just cannot do it or.
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  I think we should do a good on CERN and like a particle
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  accelerator and just explain. I think actually that should be
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  our first video episode is US explaining that to Danny.
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  Danny, did we? We discussed the actual area in
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  CERN, didn't we? Were the opening ceremony for a
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  tunnel in CERN was like really demonic and stuff like that.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but there's a story got to
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  do with it where like, like from years and years past where they
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  build a bridge in CERN across the mountains and had to make a
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  deal with the devil so that he would split a border so that
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  they could build a bridge across this ravine.
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  So they were just honoring that what people thought that when
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  they were building this tunnel underneath a mountain to go
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  through and like CERN is in the same area.
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  So they thought that they were actually trying to open up a
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  portal to hell underneath this tunnel.
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  And then the had John Collider had something to do with it.
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  So people actually believed that they were actually opening a
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  portal to hell. Simpsons did it.
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  What? Simpsons already did it in the
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  Stone Cutters episode. Oh yeah.
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  When he's he has the button to get out of traffic and he splits
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  off and there's like a mountain. And it's got a boulder.
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  And the boulders part, Yes, Simpsons did it.
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  Well. It's pretty making from the
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  country. I don't know, that's exactly the
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  same thing. Can we do a snake?
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  A snake snake oil episode now are.
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  Yeah, So, OK, snake oil sales when it's another one of those
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  things that like I've been like obsessed with my entire life.
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  And it's because like they always like turn up in movies,
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  TV shows, video games, all that kind of stuff.
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  And there is like this really interesting history of them.
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  And then it's like with the Puritans and with McCarthyism,
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  the IT starts off with like the, in the like origins of America.
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  And then it just, it just continues through like there's
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  always a snake oil salesman who is like really prominent, really
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  famous. And it eventually just gets like
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  Dumber and Dumber the closer we get to, to like the year of our
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  Lords 2026. So when one hears of a snake oil
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  salesman, it conjures up images of a travelling salesman in a
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  horse and carrot in the American Wild West.
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  He rolls into town, sets up his stall and in his best circus
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  Barker voice tells the locals that he has the cure for what
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  ails you. Rolling up folks?
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  Are you tired? Are you in pain?
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  Can't think straight, Can't remember where you left your
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  revolver? That rash won't go away.
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  Can't get enough to satisfy your wife or your mistress.
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  Well, I and I alone have travelled the world, and I've
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  spoken to Eastern Mystics and broken bread with the blind
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  shaman of Timbuktu. And then they have gifted me a
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  very special elixir, A concoction passed down from holy
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  man to holy man and finally to me, and can be yours for the low
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  price of a dime. Limited to 2 bottles per
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  customer. Form an orderly queue.
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  So that is that is like basically the origin of the
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  snake oil salesman is in the Wild West.
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  I'm going to get into it. But in the Wild West, it was
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  just these, like, absolute Hulksters.
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  Like just. It was like the births of the
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  American. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Great word. So we've seen this in many, many
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  movies and video games and TV shows.
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  The road comes into town like a hurricane makes a killing in
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  sales, and he's gone by sundown. And what has he actually sold
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  them? What is snake oil?
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  The answer, of course, is rooted in, you guessed it, racism.
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  Friend of the show Racism. Friend of the show Racism in
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  America in the 1800s, there was a large influx of immigrants
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  from China. That was my little mention
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  earlier of China. I wasn't just being racist
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  against the Chinese. So there's a large influx of
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  immigrants from China. A roundabout 180,000 Chinese
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  people emigrated to America to work mostly on railroads, but
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  they were also involved in mining as well as many other
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  industries was primarily railroads and mining.
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  As the Europeans stretched across the continent, they
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  needed cheap labour because capitalism, so they imported
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  cheap foreign labour. Sounds familiar?
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  Within these immigrant communities, they would bring
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  food, music and medicine with them.
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  A genuine medicine that the Chinese had was snake oil.
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  It was derived from the Chinese water snake, snake oil.
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  It is rich in omega-3 and therefore good for rubbing on
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  tired limbs after hard day grafting.
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  And they shared this with their white American acquaintances and
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  they marvelled at its effectiveness.
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  So it was like the early days of like the cod liver oil capsules
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  or like cod liver oil. They would be working all day
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  like, you know, working their hands to the bones and they
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  would be working on railroads. And then at the end of the day,
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  they would rub this snake oil into their knees, into their
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  elbows, into their hands and will feel relief.
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  Yeah. So Omega really is is a it's a
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  wonder drug now like in the in the recent years.
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  Well, like obviously with fish and things that like needs to
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  like live in the water, they needs small amount of fat, but
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  they need to keep themselves like, you know, moving in the
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  water and not like, yeah, sinking to the bottom.
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  So these, the Omega tree is, is really this rich oil that kind
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  of keeps them buoyant, isn't it? Like I, I think, I think that's
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  what the actual science is behind it.
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  Yeah, but like, it's, it's good for like joints.
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  So like, you know, it keeps the body supple when moving.
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  So like, you know, it gets absorbed into the skin, like
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  when we rub it on ourselves, it's absorbed into our skin, it
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  absorbs into the joints and just kind of like lubricates and
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  loosens everything up. Absolutely an insane
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  oversimplification of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's a good for a shiny coat as well.
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  So that's that's what the it's on the dog food.
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  Unscrupulous white Americans wanted to cash in on this health
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  craze. Again.
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  This is shockingly familiar. And so they would set about
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  claiming to have invented what became known as patent
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  medicines. Patent medicine is something
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  that only they had the ingredients for and that only
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  they knew how to mix them in the right way to unlock their
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  effectiveness. That's a very important part of
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  the story of American snake oil salesman.
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  It was called proprietary information.
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  So like, only they had it, only they knew how to do it, only
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  they were allowed to do it. And they had put in all the
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  hours and travel and all the time to develop this product,
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  and they were being so generous with their knowledge and
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  spreading it with everybody. But in in America at the time,
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  like patents were like just bollocks because Oh yeah, well,
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  a patent actually was in like the 1700s, I think it was some
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  somewhere around there anyways, like it would have been like a
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  European thing that a noble person would have had the
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  patent. So they would employee like a
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  Doctor Who was calling themselves a doctor or whatever
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  to put them to put together this tonic and they were the only
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  ones that could have the patent for it.
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  So in America, when they say they had this patent, they were
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  basically just saying the word patent and it didn't mean
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  anything. There was no law behind it in
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  America because again, as we know at that time, like the Wild
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  West or even like all of America was just wild.
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  It was lawless. So like when people said they
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  had a patent, it was just basically something to put onto
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  a bottle to say that this is theirs and it's like bonafide.
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  Legitimate. Yeah, it legitimizes.
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  It. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. Bonafide.
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  Bonafide. So historic figure from this era
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  was a man called Clark Stanley. In a flyer from 1897, Stanley
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  claimed that he had spent time with a Hopi medicine man, and
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  they are a Native American people from roundabout northeast
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  Arizona, and he had been taught in their mysterious ways.
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  And he had learned about the healing powers of rattlesnake
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  oil. Take a Chinese medicine and make
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  it American. He gained notoriety by attending
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  the 1893 Worlds Exposition. And he sliced A rattlesnake open
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  and boiled it, and then he skimmed off the fat as it rose
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  to the top of the pot. He bottled it and it sold like
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  crazy to the enraptured crowd because what he was doing, like
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  as far as they knew, like he was like revolutionizing medicine.
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  And there was this obsession at the time and like still to this
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  day of like, oh, well, everything we need is from
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  animals. Everything we need is from the
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  earth. And he again, like, you know, he
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  just, he added in this like razzmatazz to it.
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  Like, you know, he stood there in front of this crowd where
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  like, it was an exposition about like, you know, science and
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  technology. And he was standing there like
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  slicing open a snake, but. It was the World's Fair, wasn't
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  it? Yeah, it was effectively the
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  world's. Fair in Knoxville, TN.
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  But it was the double center was what do you call it?
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  It's a double centenary. It was the the, yeah.
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  Oh was it like 200 years from? Yeah, so 1492 so they set this
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  up in so so when you see that the years 1493 they set this up
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  and it was like the first ever Ferris wheel was at this thing
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  as well. Like it was crazy the the crowds
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  that they had. And if you think about like in
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  the 1890s, there wasn't a lot of entertainment that design like
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  when you were out in kind of in the in the middle of nowhere,
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  say like out fucking the sticks. If you weren't in a city, you'd
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  have to travel to a city. But you're not going to do that
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  to go to the cinema or go, you know, to go like see something
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  like the only thing that you had to entertain you was basically
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  church or these travel and salesman.
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  So when a camera to like having the likes of the World's Fair
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  Cam, everybody just up sticks and it was incredible.
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  Yeah. So the crowds were insane, like,
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  and the amount of people that he would have just got eyes on him,
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  like he had a basket full of rattlesnakes that he was like,
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  every, every time, like a new crowd came.
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  He was just decapitating the snake and being like, look at
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  this. Yeah.
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  Just like committing like genocide.
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  Yeah, exactly. Like just absolutely just wiping
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  out a snake population. But like, if you think about
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  what like people, all they're doing is working whatever
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  they're doing, picking stones out of the field all week and or
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  like, you know, for months at a time.
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  The only thing that they're they're seeing, except for like
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  their fucking parents and, and people in their local town is
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  like, is these travelling salesman.
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  So like when they got to go to the world, So like when their,
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  their flyer is coming around, come to the world's Fair,
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  everybody went and you can imagine how mesmerized you, you
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  would be from fucking. I'm not picking spuds in the
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  field anymore or, you know, a shook and corn or whatever it
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  is. I'm looking at this fucking guy
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  who has the gift of the gab, decapitating a snake and selling
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  me this wonderful. You could imagine how
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  mesmerizing that would be if you had nothing else in your fucking
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  life. Or not.
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  And like so around this time, so I've been a I've also reading a
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  book. It's called Snake Oil Hustlers
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  and Ham Bones. The American Medicine Shows by
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  an Anderson. Yeah, like Hambone is so.
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  Handballing it's it's fucking crazy, it's crazy.
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  It's just a guy just slapping the shit out of himself.
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  Slap on his knees, Yeah. His body is like percussive,
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  yes. So he's like he's.
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  Got mad like just slapping himself and and they call it
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  boning. So the guy is like, yeah, I'm a
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  boner. And then he's just slapping the
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  shit out of himself like, and it's like you ever in a pool, a
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  lot of people who are listening to this, but I say a lot of
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  people, there's fuck all people listen to this.
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  But like people from outside of Ireland who are listening to
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  this would be amazed that we'd say every now and again a guy in
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  a pub would pull out two spoons and just start slapping the
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  spoons off his knees. Spoons and and.
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  People would gather around and be like, wow, this guy is
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  playing the spoons. Well, this is what Ham.
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  Owners. Are doing that with no spoons,
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  just slapping this shit out of themselves unplugged.
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  It's hilarious to watch. So, so in this book, the like
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  Anne Anderson talks about how like around this time there was
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  just this big, there was like, you know, the start of like
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  advertising. So, you know, you'd, you'd get
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  like a, a newspaper and there'd be like, you know, a magazine
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  for like, you know, uh, Doctor Jones's magic soap.
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  And you know, like the, you know, like it would be like
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  proprietary ingredients. You know, he traveled to like
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  the Amazon base and he found this ingredient.
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  He put it in the soap. The soap isn't it?
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  It'll make your skin glow, you know, And it was the beginning
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  of this. But it was Clark Stanley that
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  went on to like, Embody this type of character.
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  So after the World's Fair that gained him like big time
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  notoriety and some scrupulous scientists of the time got their
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  hands on Chinese snake oil and his snake oil.
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  And they tested them against each other and they found that
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  the Chinese snake oil contained 3 times more vital acid, the
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  omega-3, than the rattlesnake oil.
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  So his product was a RIP off of an Asian medicine.
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  It was less effective, but he had razzmatazz attitude.
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  He he tacked on like the knowledge of the Hopi people
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  that are Native American, which is like very, very big thing.
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  At the time, a lot of people felt that it like it legitimized
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  these like American guys where they're like, you know, like, Oh
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  yeah. Like I'm one with the land.
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  I'm here with the Native Americans.
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  They took me and they trust me and they taught me their mat,
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  you know, like I spoke to this Hopi medicine there.
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  He sells them a story before he sells them a product like that's
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  that's how we. Exactly.
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  Exactly. So all of this eventually led to
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  a legislative clamp down on snake oil salesman and their
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  products. The Pure Food and Drug Act of 19
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  O 6 was the beginning of the end for Stanley.
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  And in 1917, a shipment of his snake oil.
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  And like, think about this. That's how long he was going for
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  it. He was doing this for decades.
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  A shipment of his snake oil was seized and upon testing they
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  found that it was made-up of mineral oil, beef fat, red
• 19:37
  pepper and turpentine. So.
• 19:41
  No snake oil. No snake oil.
• 19:43
  No snake product whatsoever. He wasn't murdering rattlesnakes
• 19:47
  in front of crowds anymore. He was just, he had gone into
• 19:50
  like full scale fraud And like the fact that like, there's
• 19:53
  turpentine in this is just like, there's no way any of this is
• 19:57
  good for you. So a lot of snake oils were
• 19:59
  promoted in ways that like, you rub on your skin and sometimes
• 20:02
  drink. Like sometimes it would be like,
• 20:03
  you know, oh, you take like a, a cap full of this before you go
• 20:06
  to bed and it'll clear up your skin overnight.
• 20:08
  But there was fucking turpentine in it.
• 20:10
  So, yeah, his product in the end didn't contain any actual snake
• 20:13
  oil. So he was fined the equivalent.
• 20:17
  Of $400.00 today for misbranding his product.
• 20:21
  But all that sweet, sweet money he made from his lies he kept
• 20:25
  and this guy. So the reason that he stands out
• 20:27
  so much is because the phrase snake oil salesman as a
• 20:32
  pejorative comes from him specifically.
• 20:34
  And like we said earlier, there was tons of people doing this.
• 20:37
  This was really popular, you know, like, you could open up a
• 20:40
  newspaper, there'll be a whole page of ads, and they would all
• 20:44
  be for, like, different products, you know, like, you
• 20:46
  know, soaps, ointments, elixirs, love potions, you know, all this
• 20:50
  kind of stuff. So in this episode I will give a
• 20:53
  couple of more examples of snake oil salesman or women and show
• 20:57
  how it became a proud American tradition.
• 21:00
  Are there snake oil salesman in other places and industries?
• 21:02
  Of course there are, but everything in America, they just
• 21:05
  do it bigger and Dumber than everyone else.
• 21:08
  That is true. There are five steps to being a
• 21:11
  snake oil salesman. And again, this is like super
• 21:13
  boiled down to the absolute basics, but there's five steps.
• 21:16
  Number one, you have a problem #2 Only I have the solution #3.
• 21:22
  You must pay a premium #4. There's a kernel of truth, but
• 21:26
  it is total horseshit and #5 showbiz, baby, all these guys
• 21:32
  are circus barkers. It's all about, like you said,
• 21:35
  they sell you the product before you get the product.
• 21:39
  So you're sold on it because you're looking at this guy who's
• 21:41
  like a Native American magic man has taught me how I can turn
• 21:45
  this rattlesnake, which is normally poisonous and kills
• 21:48
  dozens of people. I can make it medicinal for you
• 21:51
  and it'll cure that club fuss you have.
• 21:54
  But if you look at podcasters now with their their
• 21:57
  advertising. Oh yes.
• 21:58
  It's it's, it's all that like if you, you think about where the
• 22:02
  likes of just for an example, not sponsored at all as and
• 22:06
  probably never will be when I say this, but Bluetooth is it's
• 22:11
  constant. But if you hear them, they're
• 22:13
  all the guys are like, I use blue chew and I'm bricked up
• 22:17
  like a brick house and they talk about how great it is.
• 22:20
  And at the at the very end of it, it's like blue chew is not
• 22:23
  Co signed by the FDA in any way. Like you know, they go into like
• 22:27
  you can sell whatever you want and hold.
• 22:29
  A disclaimer. People do it and then you do a
• 22:31
  disclaimer at the end saying like that it's not upheld by the
• 22:34
  FDA. And then like that the act that
• 22:38
  you said the 19 O six act that Clark Stanley kind of they
• 22:42
  brought in because of him that was like a precursor to the to
• 22:46
  the FDA. So like, yes, so when that came
• 22:49
  in first did the law in 19 O six came in, it was just so you had
• 22:53
  to put ingredients on the bottle and make sure that everybody
• 22:56
  knows what's actually in in the bottles and stuff like that.
• 22:59
  And it was only they couldn't follow up on it with all these
• 23:03
  travelling salesman. Then afterwards is what I'm
• 23:05
  trying to say is because, like, you have to go chase these guys
• 23:08
  and they're all over the country.
• 23:09
  Yeah. So it was only that that law
• 23:11
  actually kind of the FDA became a real thing after there was
• 23:17
  some issues with the beef industry in America.
• 23:21
  So like in slaughterhouses, there was like journalists went
• 23:24
  in and they were using this act. They they got in and they were
• 23:28
  undercover and they saw and they were like, OK, well, first they
• 23:31
  were like trying to show the treatment of the human beings
• 23:34
  that were working there. It was like, this is so human.
• 23:36
  Like all these immigrant workers are being abused.
• 23:40
  And then it turns out that nobody give a fuck with the
• 23:42
  immigrant workers. They just saw that like what was
• 23:45
  happening with the meat itself. And people went crazy for that.
• 23:48
  And that the FDA actually was. So they came in and so when
• 23:52
  there was an actual board and a group of people that could
• 23:55
  actually Marshall this law, that's when the travel and
• 23:59
  salesman got cracked down on big time.
• 24:00
  So again, like when you say it wasn't until, what was it in
• 24:04
  1917 that he ended up getting? Yeah, that, that that was when
• 24:07
  they they like confiscated a shipment of his oil, yes, and
• 24:11
  tested. Yeah, it just shows how long
• 24:13
  like it it was before, like they could actually crack down, like
• 24:16
  to get a team together to crack down.
• 24:18
  Yeah, because like, you know, he's the the, the crime and the
• 24:21
  punishment that he got was because he was misbranding the
• 24:24
  product. You know, it wasn't that he was
• 24:25
  committing harm, it was that he was, he was like advertising as
• 24:29
  one thing, but it was something else.
• 24:31
  And that's that was the issue. So if you have turpentine in
• 24:34
  something, it's obviously like not OK.
• 24:38
  Turpentine is not designed to be like, you know, drank in small
• 24:42
  amounts or like rubbed on your skin a whole bunch.
• 24:44
  Like it's it's not A and it even just smells bad.
• 24:48
  Like could you imagine? Like, you know, he's just put a
• 24:49
  bit of like, you know, red pepper into this like some
• 24:51
  ground up capsicum and it's like, oh, spicy ass.
• 24:55
  This is terrible, but there's a reason for all.
• 24:57
  Of this like if you if you get right first of all the pepper is
• 25:02
  for when you rub it on your skin it'll tingle so it feels like
• 25:06
  it's working yes you get me yeah there's the beef and you get.
• 25:09
  Color as well, like yeah. Exactly, you get color in it as
• 25:12
  well. So like the beef tallow is so to
• 25:17
  give it a consistency that is kind of for rubbing on.
• 25:19
  It's not just oily. And then the turpentine was to
• 25:22
  give it a smell that was like like.
• 25:25
  A weird like excessive medicinal smell.
• 25:27
  Yeah, exactly. Like something that because if
• 25:29
  if it smells like wow, it's it's hitting the back of my neck when
• 25:33
  I'm sniffing it. That's how you know it's good.
• 25:34
  Then it obviously has to be working.
• 25:36
  Yeah. But a lot of these these tonics
• 25:39
  that they would have made back in the day, they would have sold
• 25:42
  it as like a feel good tonic. Not I'm not saying like his
• 25:45
  snake I want, but what they really do is they just kind of
• 25:48
  flavor up alcohol, yes. So when people are taking it,
• 25:52
  they're like, yes, that we know. But what I'm saying though, is
• 25:59
  these guys think they're taking a tonic that's making them feel
• 26:02
  better. Really.
• 26:03
  They're just like, they're getting drunk, like, and they're
• 26:06
  feeling good because it's all they're coming back each time.
• 26:09
  Up until even like my mom's time, like she would always say
• 26:13
  you need a good tonic, like if you were rundown basically like,
• 26:17
  you know, because if I was breaking out or whatever, like
• 26:20
  you need to get a good tonic in. Yet I was like, what?
• 26:23
  Like she meant vodka. She's going to put orange juice
• 26:27
  into a vodka and just be like, there you go.
• 26:29
  That's medicine. That's medicine.
• 26:30
  Whiskey. It was always a hot hot whiskey
• 26:32
  like. Whiskey in Ireland is basically
• 26:35
  like, that is our snake oil. It's just like, oh, you're 4
• 26:38
  years old and you have croup cough hot whiskey.
• 26:40
  Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. So how how do you make yours?
• 26:43
  I just want to like because I have made it for my sweet baby
• 26:48
  Angel X and he had never had one before but I made it with honey,
• 26:54
  whiskey, lemon and cloves. That is the.
• 26:57
  Classic hot whiskey and and hot water.
• 26:59
  Yeah, that's it. That's it.
• 27:01
  That's it. How did you make it that way?
• 27:03
  That will be it. Yeah, that.
• 27:04
  Would be, yeah. Apparently I didn't make it
• 27:06
  right. According to who?
• 27:08
  According to someone online when I posted that I'd made it Danny
• 27:11
  and with that. Fuck people online, no.
• 27:14
  Someone just commented being like, that's not how you make a
• 27:15
  hot whiskey. I'm a barman and I was like, I'm
• 27:17
  not a barman, I don't care. Like this is how I he's a.
• 27:21
  He's a barman who's online commenting on people's fucking
• 27:24
  drinks. Suck a fucking bag of shit.
• 27:27
  Barman from Weirdo, that's what I'd ask.
• 27:29
  Definitely from Cardiff. Oh, England.
• 27:31
  So yeah. So yeah, so don't, don't talk to
• 27:34
  me about whiskey. One of the things I didn't get
• 27:37
  into is that like some other, you know, snake oil products
• 27:40
  that were made, like you said, were just like flavored alcohol.
• 27:44
  Some of them were also just like some kind of liquid that cocaine
• 27:47
  had been put into. So like, yes, you would have
• 27:49
  these drinks as like, do you need a pep in your step?
• 27:51
  Well, drink, you know, Pepto jam and it would be just like
• 27:55
  Raspberry flavored fucking cocaine liquid.
• 27:59
  Yeah, and these Coca-Cola had. It for years.
• 28:03
  So it was exactly Coca-Cola was basically red wine with a bunch
• 28:07
  of other stuff put into it and a lot basically book fast with
• 28:10
  cocaine in it. Jesus Christ, flashbacks and I
• 28:15
  can't even think. About classic cocaine.
• 28:17
  It's just a glass we eat and breakfast.
• 28:18
  Wow. Yeah.
• 28:20
  It's disgusting. It's awful.
• 28:23
  Like, yeah, I mean, because they did.
• 28:24
  They do call that tonic wine, don't they?
• 28:26
  It. Is tonic wine.
• 28:27
  It's it's made by monks. It's made by monks in Buckfast
• 28:30
  Abbey, which is just like it's the madest drink ever that will
• 28:33
  drive people insane and make them fight their sister.
• 28:35
  But it's made by monks. In England, most people think
• 28:38
  it's in Scotland, but it's it's in England.
• 28:40
  It does have like Scottish energy to it though.
• 28:43
  It does, I mean. Scottish.
• 28:45
  Drink of choice. Yeah, I knew a guy before who
• 28:47
  drank so much of it because they used to serve it in fibbers and
• 28:52
  he's drank so much of. It combination.
• 28:55
  I know I might have already told this story on the podcast, but
• 28:58
  he went into the guard station on O'Connell St. and dropped
• 29:03
  trail and just took a shit in the middle of the lock.
• 29:10
  I don't remember that story. He's a hero.
• 29:15
  That's that is the most just recorded story I've ever heard
• 29:18
  in my life. That's that hits all.
• 29:21
  I respected, I do. How did you be mad with?
• 29:25
  That like oh, right, so he I can't remember his name, Sean
• 29:31
  something he went to fucking Trinity, like really intelligent
• 29:36
  dude. Like I think he was like he was
• 29:38
  studying like something to do with medicine, they think.
• 29:41
  Proctologist. Probably, yeah.
• 29:44
  Yeah, for sure. It was just like I hate the cops
• 29:47
  and went in drop throat, took a fucking shit and spend the night
• 29:51
  in the cell in there and like. Yeah, I think.
• 29:56
  It was OK. It was either O'Connell Street
• 29:58
  or it was the other one down by Bussaurus.
• 30:01
  Tara Street Station is it. Tara St.
• 30:03
  Yeah, yeah, we're. Just listing streets in Dublin
• 30:05
  now, oh. It's it's the gap.
• 30:07
  These are famous Garda stations. There's particular big Garda
• 30:11
  stations, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:14
  I think it was the one. It was the one across from the
• 30:15
  bus station, which would have been Tara St., Yeah.
• 30:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the front.
• 30:21
  The street's further down, yeah. Tara St. would be the other side
• 30:23
  of the Liffey though, yeah. Yeah, where Fibbers is.
• 30:26
  No, no, no, no, no, no. It's.
• 30:28
  Connolly Station, then by Connolly then there's one that
• 30:32
  would that have been? Oh, I know the big, I don't know
• 30:34
  what it's called though, but it's, it's, it's a yeah, it's a
• 30:36
  big garden station that he looks.
• 30:39
  Yeah, across from the what's that building custom house.
• 30:42
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Still it's down.
• 30:47
  That's the one you went into and it's tiny as well.
• 30:50
  I've been in there before. Tiny and yeah.
• 30:52
  Of course, I would have stunk for a while.
• 30:57
  Yeah, So there are countless snake oil salesman since.
• 31:01
  Seamless, seamlessly back into the story.
• 31:04
  And just at the point of shooting in a police station,
• 31:09
  yeah, yeah. So there's countless snake oil
• 31:11
  salesman since across every industry.
• 31:13
  And I know that everyone will come up with some examples.
• 31:15
  And you know, like if you do listen, drop us a comment on
• 31:19
  Instagram, drop us a comment on Spotify of your favorite snake
• 31:22
  oil salesman or woman or equal opportunities bullshitters here.
• 31:26
  So they evolve with the times. The language changes, the
• 31:30
  industry they're in changes, but the circus Barker is always
• 31:34
  there. So a quick example before I get
• 31:36
  into the two big examples I'm choosing for this episode is a
• 31:40
  friend of the show Elon Musk, but Elon Long.
• 31:44
  Time Friend of the Show. Long time friend of the show
• 31:46
  Elon Musk. But I would consider Elon Musk
• 31:48
  to be half a snake oil salesman because he well because he can't
• 31:52
  even do that right. And so when Elon says.
• 31:55
  And half a Nazi. Well, yes, exactly.
• 31:57
  Which half? So when Elon says he's taking
• 32:00
  humanity to Mars, he knows that it's bullshit, but it helps get
• 32:04
  investors and it gets government grants into his bank accounts.
• 32:09
  But he did found SpaceX. Like this is one of the
• 32:12
  companies that he founded. He founded SpaceX and his
• 32:15
  employees have genuinely developed amazing things.
• 32:17
  Like have you guys seen those rockets that land themselves?
• 32:21
  Like it's genuinely amazing. Or that AI thing that undresses
• 32:24
  women online if you ask it to. That's pretty fucking cool.
• 32:28
  His pet AI can go fuck itself and any man who uses that, I
• 32:33
  will fight you and I will beat you with a fucking garden hose
• 32:36
  you piece of shit. Brock, can I see a picture of
• 32:38
  Ocean Byrne with no clothes on please?
• 32:42
  That's pretty much it. That's exactly.
• 32:43
  I don't need to explain it. It's just like those cunts using
• 32:47
  that and it's the same with the fucking like online rape
• 32:49
  Academy, like all of those guys. Oh my God.
• 32:52
  Every guy involved in that needs to be beaten with hammers.
• 32:57
  This past me boy, what was this? Have you?
• 32:59
  Not seen it. No, I I seen like it was like
• 33:01
  that. A website went up and a shit
• 33:03
  load of people went on to it. Yeah, so it's a it's a website
• 33:05
  that they call it like a, like a rape Academy.
• 33:08
  And it it's like they these guys who run it, teach other men how
• 33:14
  to drug their partners, what drugs to use, dosages to use,
• 33:19
  encourages like, you know, experimentation.
• 33:22
  And then when their wives, girlfriends, partners, friends
• 33:25
  are drugged and under the influence, they rape them.
• 33:28
  That is the only way of putting it.
• 33:30
  And. They.
• 33:31
  Submit. Videos and they do these videos
• 33:34
  like eye check. Yeah, to share and they do the
• 33:37
  eye check to see like you know. Holding their wives or whoever
• 33:40
  is eyes open to make sure they're they're out.
• 33:42
  And then, yeah, they film the rape.
• 33:45
  It is absolutely one of the most vital things I've ever seen.
• 33:48
  Like it's just. CNN did like a story on it, but
• 33:51
  they're, I think they're like, so they say 64,000,000, but that
• 33:55
  was just in April. It's March.
• 33:57
  There was 82,000,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:00
  It's really, it's like, yeah, yeah, it's.
• 34:02
  Telegram channels, Discord channels, like it's, it's huge.
• 34:07
  It's it's dark, dark shit. And CNN.
• 34:10
  Basically, the reporter. Like again, I'm not getting
• 34:14
  like, so guys are going on this for tips on how to basically
• 34:18
  drug and rape people. Yes, yeah.
• 34:19
  And then sharing that they've done.
• 34:21
  That there's 60 million people doing this in in a month so. 64
• 34:25
  million. Views or 60 million people are
• 34:27
  interested in yeah. Yeah, yeah, 82,000,000.
• 34:30
  Though in March. I, I have seen people like try
• 34:33
  to say it's like, Oh no, it's actually it's a 64 million.
• 34:36
  Views. It's not many and it's like.
• 34:38
  Look, if it's ten dudes visiting at 60 million times, it's still
• 34:41
  not enough fucking problem. Like it's a bunch of guys
• 34:44
  teaching each other how to fucking like rape women and
• 34:47
  drugged up like it is, it's as horrific as every woman says it
• 34:52
  is. Like the fact that you know, if
• 34:53
  if a woman says something and is talking about her outrageous and
• 34:55
  fucked up it is, fucking listen to her because they're the ones
• 34:59
  who are at the fucking receiving end of this horseshit.
• 35:01
  And all of this shit comes from fucking a different type of
• 35:04
  snake oil salesman, the likes of fucking Andrew Tate who teach
• 35:07
  these lads in these online academies, the fucking pickup
• 35:10
  artists like Dan Bilzerian was one of them back in the fucking
• 35:13
  early days of late. Internet he's.
• 35:16
  Still a thing. He's still a thing, but he was
• 35:18
  very much in this thing of like, you know, Oh yeah, like, you
• 35:20
  know, women are property, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:22
  And like these guys, they fucking teach each other all
• 35:25
  this bullshit to do and then they compare notes and they've
• 35:28
  done it all on this website. And I fucking hope that someone
• 35:31
  hacks it and gets everyone's fucking personal information and
• 35:34
  all of these guys get fucking done.
• 35:35
  Me too. Absolutely.
• 35:38
  Fucking it's bound to happen that that like because like when
• 35:42
  you've got that much kind of traffic on it now and that much
• 35:46
  traction and talk about it like somebody is going to fucking
• 35:49
  yeah go in there and outdoors names.
• 35:51
  Oh. Yeah, there was a hack on
• 35:54
  another similar website where this, this, I think it was like
• 35:56
  a female hacker. And she she like made a public
• 36:00
  appearance dressed up as the pink Power Ranger.
• 36:02
  And she had hacked a similar website and just released all of
• 36:06
  the data that she got from it. And it's, it's incredibly.
• 36:09
  I love that. Something like that is going to
• 36:11
  happen with this site and I hope it does because like every
• 36:14
  single one of those guys should be publicly shamed and I should
• 36:17
  get to shoot them with a gun. Just saying.
• 36:20
  Like this should be afraid. They should be fucking
• 36:24
  terrified, yeah, but they're going on about.
• 36:27
  How how women hate men now and how it's like, you know, they're
• 36:31
  like, I was like, well, you can't even trust the man that
• 36:33
  you love to make you a cup of fucking tea without spiking it
• 36:37
  like that wasn't that was a main tip is put it in her tea or have
• 36:41
  her have a glass of wine with dinner and the sleeping pillow
• 36:44
  will hit faster. And all of this like horrible
• 36:47
  stuff And then filming them to make sure having friends over to
• 36:51
  like fucking to to rape their wives in front of them, like.
• 36:55
  It was like that that case in France where the woman the the
• 36:58
  survivor, Giselle Pelico, who has a.
• 37:00
  She's a badass as well. She's we've mentioned her
• 37:03
  before. She.
• 37:04
  Is absolutely. It was a whole fucking town.
• 37:07
  Her husband. Was fucking village of Gross.
• 37:09
  Men when? It was raping this poor woman.
• 37:10
  These who were within like a few miles radius, it's not like they
• 37:14
  had fucking go onto the Internet and serve the guys hundreds of
• 37:17
  miles away. It was guys who were like, you
• 37:19
  could swing a fucking cat and you'd have 10 guys who were
• 37:21
  like, Oh yeah, drove your wife. I'll be over at 7:00.
• 37:24
  She probably would have fucking he can pass them in the street
• 37:26
  and said hello to them every morning, you know what I mean?
• 37:29
  He used to see him in the fucking supermarket.
• 37:31
  The butcher, the Baker, the Candlestick Baker.
• 37:33
  They were legit. I guess.
• 37:34
  Let's get back to this. So back-to-back to Elon, back to
• 37:37
  Elon. So other examples of his over
• 37:39
  promising is the Hyperloop system, which if you've ever
• 37:42
  looked into it is he's basically just reinventing the idea of an
• 37:46
  underground train. He's claiming that like, Oh
• 37:48
  well, you see, I'll actually do it so much faster.
• 37:51
  So it'll be new and very interesting and I'm so cool.
• 37:54
  Not just the subway. It's basically just the subway
• 37:58
  because he, he tried, he tried to have it where like it was an
• 38:00
  underground tunnel that cars would drive through and cars
• 38:03
  would get to drive without a speed limit.
• 38:04
  And that was like, absolutely not.
• 38:06
  And then it was like, oh, we'll put them onto these trains and
• 38:08
  the trains will get to travel at like these, you know, really
• 38:10
  high speeds. And it's like, so it's a train
• 38:14
  that's underground and you're calling it the Hyperloop.
• 38:18
  And he was. He wanted.
• 38:19
  To board that tunnel like they did with the the channel only
• 38:24
  like under wasn't it Las Vegas to.
• 38:28
  He wanted to do LA to Las Vegas. Yes.
• 38:31
  Or maybe San Francisco to Vegas, like he's been probably he's
• 38:36
  been promising it for years. Anytime someone comes up with
• 38:38
  some kind of like transport issue or someone complaints
• 38:40
  about LA traffic, he's just like, oh, I could build a
• 38:42
  Hyperloop. It would be totally cool.
• 38:45
  He was my thing on on mosque as well as that like mosque, mosque
• 38:50
  isn't an inventor. Like no matter what we talk
• 38:52
  like, because people talk about like, he's this fucking genius
• 38:55
  that is inventing things. Doesn't have a fucking creative
• 38:58
  bone in his body. He just fall into these
• 39:00
  companies. Or like he bought Tesla?
• 39:02
  Yeah. So like it's.
• 39:05
  Fucking cars, by the way, even. SpaceX is like he got, he has
• 39:09
  the idea for SpaceX, but like he's not inventing rockets that
• 39:13
  land on foot. He's just employing people who
• 39:15
  are inventing rockets. He's employing the right people.
• 39:18
  Yeah, Yeah. And that's what he did with
• 39:19
  Tesla. Like he bought Tesla and.
• 39:21
  Yeah. It's like, it's like people
• 39:22
  talking about Steve Jobs at the iPhone.
• 39:24
  Like Steve Jobs was fucking soldering a fucking phone
• 39:27
  together and be like, oh, This is why it was a bunch of like
• 39:30
  there's a bunch of scientists of all of this.
• 39:32
  Elon Musk just made his money from PayPal.
• 39:35
  Well, he, he had his money from his fucking emerald mines and
• 39:39
  his, his exploitation of fucking apartheid Africa.
• 39:44
  But like he made his money the same as the rest of these guys
• 39:47
  from the PayPal mafia. Who, by the way, we really
• 39:50
  should do a whole episode on the PayPal mafia, because like all
• 39:54
  those guys who like all PayPal, like they're all people who are
• 40:00
  like. Pulling the strings on the world
• 40:02
  right now, like, but yeah, again, like Taco, SpaceX and so
• 40:05
  forth, like Palantir and stuff as that's coming out for this.
• 40:08
  The PayPal. Yeah.
• 40:09
  But like if you think about like he just invested, like you said,
• 40:13
  like Tesla, he didn't invent anything there.
• 40:15
  He bought that company. SpaceX is just a bunch of people
• 40:18
  like that. He got together like he put a
• 40:21
  bunch of people and went, I want to do Mars, I want to do space,
• 40:25
  I want to be a spaceman. Yeah, person.
• 40:27
  And then they were like, OK, well, we'll do all the work and
• 40:29
  you just put money into this. Seems like like, you know, he
• 40:32
  bought on Twitter. He bought all of these fucking
• 40:34
  companies and now we've running them into the fucking ground.
• 40:37
  And so with, with SpaceX, like, look, you know, he, he founded
• 40:40
  a, a company that makes machines that go into space and people
• 40:44
  will then try to say that like, that's revolutionary.
• 40:47
  Absolutely not. NASA have always used
• 40:50
  contractors. They have always used like
• 40:52
  aerospace companies, like, you know, NASA don't necessarily
• 40:56
  make everything themselves. A lot of people think they do.
• 40:59
  They use contractors. They will design things.
• 41:01
  They will have their teams work very closely with these
• 41:03
  aerospace companies. But NASA have always used
• 41:07
  contractors and like even the, the, the shuttle disaster, the,
• 41:12
  the Challenger shuttle disaster was down to a, an O-ring that
• 41:16
  was made by a contractor. And it was just constantly like
• 41:20
  cutting corners, cutting health and safety and then not doing
• 41:23
  the vigorous testing. And it was one of their
• 41:25
  contractors. It was one of NASA's
• 41:27
  contractors. And that's what.
• 41:28
  SpaceX is because they're the people who came in cheapest.
• 41:31
  Yeah, it's just that Elon is good at branding.
• 41:34
  Like he's, you know, he's, he's good at publicity.
• 41:36
  There's a few factories in the UK that make parts for NASA.
• 41:39
  Yeah, it's awesome. Like it's so.
• 41:41
  Cool, but it's like it might be like 1 specific small part but
• 41:45
  they're the factory that make it like you know what I mean?
• 41:48
  If you see what's called Top Gear, they put the Reliant Robin
• 41:53
  on a rocket and like sent it in. Those are those are space
• 41:57
  engineers that did that, that they for NASA as well.
• 42:00
  Like so like those like there's guys all over the world doing it
• 42:03
  like India has a space program like.
• 42:06
  Yes, they do. Yeah.
• 42:08
  OK, so a very recent entry into the Snake Oil Hall of Fame is
• 42:13
  none other than Elizabeth Holmes.
• 42:15
  Holmes founded her health technology company Perinos in
• 42:18
  2003 and set about revolutionizing the medical
• 42:22
  world in the 20 tens. Perinos claimed their Eureka
• 42:25
  moment by saying they had developed the technology and the
• 42:28
  process of doing complex blood testing from very low volumes of
• 42:32
  blood, even as low as a single drop of blood.
• 42:36
  So anyone who knows or anyone who's had blood tests done, they
• 42:39
  know that you have to give like a vial of blood, like, you know,
• 42:42
  as big as your finger and sometimes more than one finger.
• 42:49
  Anyone. More than one finger?
• 42:51
  No. I really mean.
• 42:54
  I was just letting Danny, Yeah, I guess.
• 42:56
  I was. I was waiting for that.
• 42:58
  I was like me. I do at home blood tests and
• 43:03
  it's like a finger prick and I have to fill up these like, you
• 43:05
  know, like 3 little vials of blood, like the, the size of the
• 43:08
  top of my finger. But like Elizabeth Holmes and
• 43:10
  her team were just like, Oh yeah, like a single drop of
• 43:12
  blood and it'll save X amount of time and money.
• 43:16
  And it's, it's about the IP. It's about the the the the
• 43:19
  trademark and the patent for the product.
• 43:22
  I did a few months ago. I was I explained it on the, the
• 43:26
  podcast Oil back when I was with my, my last girlfriend.
• 43:33
  RIP. She she said to me that like,
• 43:39
  look, not that I don't trust yet, but I'd like to know if
• 43:41
  you're, if you're like, you don't have a clean bill of
• 43:44
  health sexually beforehand. So I was like, OK, interesting.
• 43:49
  So it turns out you can just text the HSE in Ireland and to
• 43:53
  send you out a kiss and you do your own blood tests.
• 43:56
  So I was like, yeah, cool. And they give you this little
• 43:59
  thing that pricks your finger, but me being fucking Wolverine
• 44:04
  or whatever is wrong with me. I, I heal so fast.
• 44:07
  Like, yeah, so I scar up really easily because like I for some,
• 44:12
  I don't know what it is, but for some reason, like I just, I heal
• 44:16
  pretty quick. But like I got like tree drops
• 44:20
  out before my finger started like healing over.
• 44:24
  So. I was like, what the fuck?
• 44:26
  And I ran out of these prick things like to give you like
• 44:29
  three of them and I ran out of them.
• 44:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ended up having to go out and
• 44:32
  sterilizing a Stanley blade and cutting my finger open the
• 44:36
  Stanley blade. And turns out I I was, I had a
• 44:41
  clean bill of health. But like like if you saw the
• 44:45
  fucking the table where I was like.
• 44:47
  Leading to death. There's not even the Stanley
• 44:50
  blade. Like I caught into myself.
• 44:52
  I was like like leaking myself out and I had like I had like 5
• 44:56
  quotes with the Stanley blade before I could get enough blood
• 44:58
  out of me to get like I just, I don't know.
• 45:00
  What? That is on the tip of your
• 45:01
  finger as well. Just like the absolute fucking
• 45:03
  worst place. I'm.
• 45:05
  Telling you and how far a man will go for pussy like.
• 45:08
  That's true thing, yeah. That is insane.
• 45:11
  Like we have ours here. Like if they're it's called a
• 45:14
  frisky whales, which is so fucking embarrassing.
• 45:18
  Frisky whales. Why Yeah, sad.
• 45:23
  I went through like my my phase of just not having any sex at
• 45:26
  all, right. And then the guy that I.
• 45:28
  Was about a hard 5 minutes for you.
• 45:31
  Oh, shut up. It was like months and months.
• 45:35
  It was nigh on nigh on a year. And I, the guy that I did decide
• 45:39
  to hook up with, gorgeous, gorgeous guy, absolutely fucking
• 45:43
  riddled like you could. You could tell and I I let him
• 45:47
  hit it raw. I don't know why I did.
• 45:49
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 45:51
  Why? But I immediately ordered a test
• 45:55
  immediately. And I was, I was all fine, but
• 45:58
  the fact that I had to fucking get a package that said frisky
• 46:01
  whales, she's like, oh, but I had to.
• 46:04
  Do the frisky. I'm slutty.
• 46:07
  Exactly. I'm not frisky, I'm sick.
• 46:10
  I know I had to do the the blood thing and then swab my mouth and
• 46:16
  my pussy and like, yeah, I had to like, send them back.
• 46:21
  And then they were like, yeah, you're fine.
• 46:22
  You, you slutty bitch. I just.
• 46:26
  You're fine, you fucking idiot. You.
• 46:28
  Just get a package that is like frisky whales and it's all cute
• 46:31
  and pink and it's like frisky whales and you open it up and
• 46:34
  says you are HIV positive. They.
• 46:39
  Tell they text you and imagine getting a text.
• 46:42
  It can work me like sorry baby, no mates no.
• 46:46
  No, actually I would imagine that the text that you guys like
• 46:48
  call us immediately. Like I know if you were reading
• 46:54
  the text message before, you actually open it up and it says
• 46:58
  you're sexually transmitted disease is gone and you're like,
• 47:01
  oh, thank cooking and you're open up.
• 47:02
  It says Aurea. No clean, clean bill of health.
• 47:07
  Never, never had anything. Which is so surprising because I
• 47:11
  put myself in some awkward positions before and I've had
• 47:15
  sex in weird position. There we go.
• 47:17
  There we go. Yeah, Thank God.
• 47:19
  So with such a. Position.
• 47:21
  What position does she has? She has.
• 47:24
  You were already on it. I'm sorry.
• 47:27
  I was already there. And so with such a cosmic leap
• 47:30
  in medical technology, the value of the company exploded to a $9
• 47:36
  billion valuation. Because think of the
• 47:38
  intellectual property and patents.
• 47:42
  In 2015, Forbes magazine declared her to be the youngest
• 47:46
  female self-made billionaire. Investors scrambled to get in
• 47:50
  early so their investment could be maximized and the government
• 47:53
  contracts were signed because think of the military
• 47:56
  applications. She was on the cover of
• 47:59
  magazines. People wanted to know her life
• 48:02
  story. Her future was bright only a
• 48:06
  year later. And again, this is very Reponis,
• 48:09
  reminiscent of our friend Clark. Only a year later, in 2016,
• 48:13
  things began to unravel. Regulators and journalists
• 48:16
  started asking questions. They had no evidence of any
• 48:20
  technology or techniques that Holmes claimed to have developed
• 48:24
  already, and the House of Cards rapidly fell.
• 48:27
  She had nothing but the idea of being able to do complex blood
• 48:31
  tests using a fraction of the blood that modern techniques
• 48:34
  use. Look, it's a great idea, but so
• 48:37
  is going to Mars. We simply do not have the
• 48:39
  technology for it. So she had, she had a good idea,
• 48:43
  like the idea of like, Oh, yeah, I can do this complex blood test
• 48:47
  quickly and get accurate results for like a fraction of the time,
• 48:51
  a fraction of the cost, a fraction of your blood that's
• 48:54
  going to be used for it. It's like if she actually did
• 48:58
  it, if she actually developed this, it is genuinely
• 49:00
  revolutionary. It's it's, it's Cha, it's world
• 49:03
  changing. Did she ever believe that it was
• 49:05
  actually going to work? Like there's huge debate over
• 49:07
  this and like I think that she thought she could blag her way
• 49:12
  to getting there, that she was like, OK, I have the idea and I
• 49:15
  want to say that I've done it before.
• 49:16
  Someone else has the idea and is able to do it.
• 49:19
  So I'm just going to say I have it.
• 49:21
  I just need investors to scale. Like I just need people to help
• 49:25
  me to make this scalable. And that's when some when
• 49:28
  something is scalable, it is just it's profit from top to
• 49:31
  bottom. Before she before she opened
• 49:34
  this up to investors and stuff, she called the technology
• 49:38
  Edison. And that was something that
• 49:41
  people that people tweaked was like that.
• 49:43
  It was like, oh, she's called Edison, but Edison himself was a
• 49:46
  fucking shyster as well, apparently.
• 49:48
  Like so like the talk? Fraud.
• 49:51
  Fraud. Yeah.
• 49:52
  So people talk about Edison being like, so she's like, I
• 49:54
  call it Edison because he was such an innovator and stuff like
• 49:57
  that. And people are like, oh, you're
• 49:58
  a fraud and you named it after a fraud.
• 50:00
  And it's like it just it like, you know, one of these things
• 50:03
  that like synchronicities again. Yeah, like I she accidentally,
• 50:07
  like, outed herself. Yeah.
• 50:10
  So Holmes was fined and banned from serving as a director of a
• 50:14
  company for 10 years, and then Fortune magazine named her as
• 50:19
  one of the world's nineteen most disappointing leaders.
• 50:23
  They couldn't get to the 20 looks like.
• 50:25
  Holmes was under the hammer. That's fucking middle-aged joke.
• 50:32
  That's like a middle-aged British and Irish joke.
• 50:35
  Oh my. Fucking I'm leaving.
• 50:37
  I'm going. Right at times.
• 50:39
  I listen. I'm not proud, but I'm not
• 50:42
  ashamed of it either. So I, I looked up this 19 most
• 50:47
  disappointing leaders and like, I, I've got some examples of
• 50:51
  like the, the elbows that she was robbing.
• 50:54
  There was one guy. Well, there was the government
• 50:56
  of Michigan. There was a guy on there and
• 50:59
  through a cost cutting exercise, they poisoned the city of Flint
• 51:05
  with lead in the water. So everyone know, you hear
• 51:08
  Flint, MI, you're just like, Oh yeah, that's lead poisoning.
• 51:11
  Everyone's dying there. So the the government, the local
• 51:14
  government who did all those cost coding exercises that led
• 51:18
  to lead leaking into the water and poisoning an entire city.
• 51:22
  That's the type of person that Fortune magazine, Elizabeth
• 51:27
  Holmes is on the same level. Another one is Martin Shkreli.
• 51:31
  Does anyone remember Martin Shkreli?
• 51:34
  Is he the guy that charged for drugs?
• 51:37
  Yes. Yeah, so he would buy cheap
• 51:40
  drugs in enormous quantities and then he would sell them for like
• 51:43
  astronomical prices. So things like life saving
• 51:47
  cancer drugs, he would buy them all.
• 51:49
  Like he would, you know, whatever money he had, he would
• 51:51
  buy all of us so that there was no more supply.
• 51:54
  And then he'd be like, oh, I have it, but it's like a 7000%
• 51:58
  Marco. Obviously this was illegal.
• 52:00
  He ended up in prison. He then also got in trouble
• 52:03
  because there was like with the money that he made from being an
• 52:06
  asshole, he bought a Wu Tang Clan album that they recorded
• 52:11
  and released one copy of. Yes, yeah.
• 52:15
  Yeah, and he he bought it and was just like, oh, I get to have
• 52:18
  this and no one else will have it.
• 52:19
  But then like, I think it was confiscated often and I don't
• 52:21
  like, I don't know what's happened with the album, but
• 52:23
  like. That's so funny.
• 52:24
  Yeah, just like this and he. Imagine an old dirty bastard
• 52:27
  being like, I'm fucking glad that you don't have it.
• 52:31
  And The thing is like this, this guy, Martin Shkreli, like he was
• 52:33
  in the media and he was hated instantly.
• 52:36
  I. Had no shame.
• 52:37
  Oh, he had no shame. He loved it because he was one
• 52:40
  of these types of guys who was just like, oh, well, I have
• 52:43
  attention. That's what matters.
• 52:44
  It doesn't matter that people want to burn me alive like
• 52:48
  they're just haters of because I I had the idea and the money
• 52:51
  and. Like comedy podcast, by the way.
• 52:54
  Yeah, he was like sitting up like with podcasts crazy.
• 52:57
  Like, I hate him. I hate that con.
• 52:58
  I actually, I actually really fucking hate that con.
• 53:02
  So Sepp Blatter and Michelle Platini of FIFA, they were on
• 53:06
  the same list for Incredible. I remember this too.
• 53:10
  Breathtaking levels of corruption, Like breathtaking
• 53:14
  corruption. They took bribes to award World
• 53:16
  Cups. Like, you know, the World Cup
• 53:18
  that was in Qatar. That is widely known.
• 53:21
  Factually everyone was bribed, like so many bribes and when it
• 53:27
  was proven years afterwards, everyone just goes Oh well, I
• 53:30
  guess we know there was bribes involved, Boo Hoo.
• 53:32
  But eventually, like Blatter and Platini, they did guess like
• 53:36
  they did get in trouble. I think Platini or Blatter was
• 53:39
  imprisoned for a short while. One of the great things that
• 53:42
  they used to do, Platini and Blatter is they used to just
• 53:45
  write checks to each other for a couple of £1,000,000.
• 53:47
  And when explaining what the checks were for, they were just
• 53:50
  like, oh, services from 10 years ago.
• 53:52
  And like we're talking like 1,000,000 millions of of of
• 53:56
  pounds, millions of dollars, millions of euro that they were
• 54:00
  just like cashing cheques, just two dudes being dudes.
• 54:03
  There's some really good documentaries that they will
• 54:07
  centre around their smaller nations, like if you see like
• 54:11
  some of the island nations that are like off.
• 54:14
  The Oh, they got like, yeah. And they got, they're like they,
• 54:18
  they need more funding and the need kind of like something to
• 54:23
  uplift them because the kids, all they have is football and
• 54:27
  like Qatar and places like that, like Russia, like that, that
• 54:31
  bought World Cups. They have all the amenities that
• 54:35
  have everything to have the money to to, to do this.
• 54:38
  But like there's these places that there's kids literally
• 54:40
  playing football like on half and.
• 54:44
  Their. Pitches exactly yeah.
• 54:46
  And they got they're getting absolutely not allowed and none
• 54:49
  of these teams are able like fundamentally they haven't got
• 54:54
  like the resources to like make it to a World Cup, let alone
• 54:57
  host the World Cup. So like they, they're the
• 55:00
  corruption really affected these small nations.
• 55:02
  And it was, yeah, I think there's a really good
• 55:07
  documentary about the, I forget this fucking island chain, but
• 55:12
  like Fiji and all these kind of small nations, they're the ones
• 55:16
  that kind of ended up taking down like Seth Bladder and
• 55:20
  something that because they kept pushing and pushing and pushing,
• 55:23
  saying that it's because of these guys and the greed
• 55:26
  involved in this. Yeah.
• 55:28
  We need to keep pushing and pushing and pushing and it just
• 55:30
  shows that like the small snowball rolling down the hill
• 55:34
  can get bigger and bigger and bigger and take down big, big
• 55:36
  time corruption. It's interesting.
• 55:38
  I I'd like to look out. It's only that you mentioned
• 55:40
  Sepp Blatter. Now that I I'm like, it's
• 55:42
  triggering in my mind that I watched that a few years back.
• 55:44
  That was part of how they would bribe these places.
• 55:46
  So like they'd say like, oh look, there's a vote coming up
• 55:49
  for the World Cup and you know, Qatar are putting forward a
• 55:52
  really strong case and if you vote the right way, we can give
• 55:56
  you funding to have actual. You know, like 4th.
• 56:00
  Generation astroturf pitches and we can fund enough for you to
• 56:04
  buy like 7000 pairs of football boots and various sizes for
• 56:07
  kids. But you know, the vote is really
• 56:09
  important and we think Qatar like have a strong case.
• 56:12
  You know, it's really important for the Middle East to to show
• 56:15
  everyone that, you know, like they're moving forward with the
• 56:16
  world. And it was just all this, like,
• 56:18
  you know, kind of mafioso, classic corruption of just
• 56:21
  buying votes. So Elizabeth Holmes, she was
• 56:24
  found guilty of defrauding investors.
• 56:28
  She was ordered to pay back $450 million to the investors and was
• 56:33
  sentenced to almost 12 years in prison.
• 56:35
  Some of the bigger names who invested in her company went on
• 56:38
  to serve in the current Trump regime.
• 56:42
  Of. Course.
• 56:43
  Yeah, but that's like the Trump regime is full of like, you
• 56:45
  know, rich, you know, investors and philan, quote, UN quote,
• 56:49
  philanthropists and stuff like that.
• 56:51
  And it's all just people who like, threw money at Trump.
• 56:53
  So he's just like, oh, you give me a ton of money, I will make
• 56:55
  you the secretary for Education. I meanwhile, it's like Linda
• 56:58
  McMahon, who is married to one of history's greatest monsters.
• 57:02
  Oh, we should do an episode on him.
• 57:04
  This, this Elizabeth Holmes, Jay, have you ever, have you
• 57:07
  ever like, heard her talk? Oh, she has such a weird voice.
• 57:11
  Like it's so. What does she sound like?
• 57:14
  It's really, like, performatively strange.
• 57:17
  Yeah, like she deepens. Well, people keep questioning
• 57:21
  her and are like, yeah, is that your basically that basically
• 57:25
  exactly that. So like she, she talks like she
• 57:28
  comes, she talks like she's coming.
• 57:30
  And she's like slows down how she talks as well.
• 57:33
  She she believes that like she. Our less blood for, oh, less
• 57:39
  money. But like she she also she went
• 57:43
  and dressed. My name is Elizabeth Hill.
• 57:47
  Yes, the big this is basic. She actually does sound like
• 57:49
  that, but she went off and bought herself like her whole
• 57:53
  her whole wardrobe is just black turtlenecks as well.
• 57:56
  So she just looks like Steve Jobs constantly.
• 57:59
  Yeah, she looked at. These people who were in
• 58:02
  authority and who are billionaires.
• 58:04
  And she was like, I want to be like them someday.
• 58:06
  Like when she was a teenager. Yeah.
• 58:08
  She was asked like, what do you want to be when you grow up?
• 58:10
  And she said, I want to be a billionaire.
• 58:12
  And she learned Mandarin. Yes.
• 58:15
  Like, like from an early age. I was like, I'm going to get in.
• 58:18
  And they were like, why are you learning Chinese?
• 58:21
  And she's going to. I'm going to conquer that
• 58:22
  market. Like that's as a child.
• 58:25
  She would say that so people. Who learn Mandarin are so
• 58:28
  performative. Like John Cena.
• 58:31
  I I'm just like what boy? Like what's the fucking point?
• 58:36
  Like who the. Fuck, do you think?
• 58:38
  You're. Because like China, that's like
• 58:40
  the most Irish response to add like it better in yourself ever.
• 58:43
  Do you think you're better than me?
• 58:44
  Is that it? Learn in a foreign language the
• 58:47
  Irish. You don't think you're better
• 58:49
  than me? How is it's Mandarin of all
• 58:52
  things? It's just like, why all that we
• 58:53
  get to fucking flex? Yeah, China's big country.
• 58:56
  Well fuck off, I mean. It's not just a big country,
• 58:59
  it's a fucking powerhouse. Oh yeah, man.
• 59:02
  Yeah. Like we're all going to be
• 59:04
  speaking Mandarin in the future, Danny.
• 59:06
  When? When?
• 59:06
  China. Took Israel and it spreads.
• 59:09
  And we welcome our Chinese overlord.
• 59:15
  I was actually really surprised. So I took German in school and I
• 59:18
  really enjoyed it and I did quite well.
• 59:20
  Right. What's the point in that talk
• 59:22
  about performing? You're saying, yeah, we're we're
• 59:25
  just talking about languages for a second.
• 59:26
  They take over the world for the third time.
• 59:29
  Yeah, for the third time. But it's like the fact that I
• 59:33
  haven't used it in so long. So I haven't spoken it in so
• 59:36
  long, but I can understand what someone is saying.
• 59:39
  Do you know what I mean? So it's like, I know what you're
• 59:42
  saying to me. I can't tell you back what
• 59:44
  you're saying to me, but I know what you're saying to me.
• 59:48
  I tried to flex that I I know a little.
• 59:50
  Bit, oh, you know, a little German.
• 59:52
  Little bit a little bit of German.
• 59:54
  His name is Adolf. Getting back to, getting back
• 1:00:00
  to. Snake.
• 1:00:02
  I did I I did talk a German guy before and his name was Petri,
• 1:00:07
  which is really funny. Petri.
• 1:00:09
  Like Petri dish. Hey, OK, so another another
• 1:00:22
  glaring example of a snake oil salesman, but I'm not going to
• 1:00:25
  get into in depth because Ding Ding Ding bingo time.
• 1:00:29
  This will be a future episode of What the Fuck is Wrong With
• 1:00:32
  America, which will be about evangelicals and more
• 1:00:35
  specifically, televangelists. I.
• 1:00:38
  Can't await that. Yes, they have the connection
• 1:00:45
  directly to God, and if you donate the paltry sum of all of
• 1:00:49
  your money, then they can help you get into heaven while they
• 1:00:52
  spend your sinful money on watches, clothes, private jets
• 1:00:57
  and palaces. They deserve it.
• 1:00:59
  You know that evangelical guy who like physically, he makes
• 1:01:04
  the case for a human being that is possessed by a demon?
• 1:01:07
  Yes, he's a demon. He's the guy with the eyes and.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah. The guy with two jets?
• 1:01:15
  He has two jets. Sorry.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah, because someone was. Questioning him is like, why do
• 1:01:19
  you have two jets? And he's like, because my good
• 1:01:21
  friend was in financial trouble and he needed to sell his plane
• 1:01:25
  and God told me that I can buy it.
• 1:01:27
  I'm so. Afraid.
• 1:01:30
  Future video content he. Started calling them.
• 1:01:34
  He started calling the one that was questioned from a demon.
• 1:01:37
  He was like, he's like you. Like.
• 1:01:39
  You're a demon, Media. Or a demon.
• 1:01:41
  You're a demon. I can see it in your soul.
• 1:01:43
  You're a demon. I mean, what's really unsettling
• 1:01:48
  about that guy is that like he, he will go from fury to like
• 1:01:51
  this like angelic smile, like, you know, like that, like in the
• 1:01:54
  fucking thick of a. Me on my period.
• 1:01:57
  It's just 1000 blossoms bloom as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:02:06
  Every year, 8 million people are being ripped apart by crocodiles
• 1:02:09
  and long grieving. Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  I love that guy. Who is The Who is the guy on
• 1:02:18
  Simpsons? The The Monorail Guy Lyle.
• 1:02:21
  Langley, Lyle Langley. Loyal who was a snake oil.
• 1:02:25
  Salesman. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:26
  I. Was just going to say like
• 1:02:28
  they've done 2 episodes of at least of the snake oil salesman
• 1:02:33
  kind of show. They love a snake.
• 1:02:34
  Oil salesman and Danny, what was the what was grandpa?
• 1:02:38
  Can you get it? Can you?
• 1:02:39
  Can you do it? I don't think I remember it now.
• 1:02:41
  I'm like, I'm scared now. I don't know.
• 1:02:43
  I don't. Remember it off earlier.
• 1:02:47
  I'll read it off. Hang on.
• 1:02:49
  Oh, wait, no, she. Has like her her snake oil
• 1:02:52
  salesman rant. Step right up folks and witness
• 1:02:54
  a magnificent medicinal miracle or Simpson and son patented
• 1:02:58
  revitalizing tonic. Put some art in your liner with
• 1:03:01
  her energizing, moisturizing, tantalizing, romanticizing,
• 1:03:04
  surprising herp rising, revitalizing tonic.
• 1:03:09
  Her praising is the. Best, yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Her pricing is just like. It's like surprising her
• 1:03:21
  pricing. You look like a man who can't
• 1:03:24
  satisfy his wife. Exactly, you look like your Dick
• 1:03:28
  doesn't work. Oh, he brings Homer up on stage.
• 1:03:33
  He's like you and I have never met each other.
• 1:03:34
  Is that correct? That is correct.
• 1:03:37
  Well, how come his face is on the bottle?
• 1:03:43
  Didn't start chasing us until he turned on that getaway music.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah. Let's go watch The Simpsons.
• 1:03:51
  Let's forget this whole podcast. I can go watch The Simpsons.
• 1:03:54
  We can do like a Simpsons live watch episode.
• 1:03:57
  Sorry I had your son. I was always proud that you
• 1:04:01
  weren't a short man. Am I as cute as a bug's ear?
• 1:04:07
  No, you're as you're as homely as a mule butt.
• 1:04:10
  Humbling as a mule butt. Yes, who else could be
• 1:04:14
  considered snake oil salesman? Oh, she.
• 1:04:19
  So I could close out the show with more harrowing examples of
• 1:04:23
  snake oil salesman who stole billions through Ponzi schemes
• 1:04:25
  or crypto pump and dumps because we live in an age of social
• 1:04:29
  media. So I'm going to bring the
• 1:04:31
  curtain down with the man, the myth, the Liver King.
• 1:04:36
  I watched the documentary on him the.
• 1:04:38
  Documentary is so good because like he doesn't understand
• 1:04:41
  what's happening. Like that's the best part about
• 1:04:43
  it. He he he doesn't understand that
• 1:04:45
  someone is there to observe him from the outside and like ends
• 1:04:49
  up completely torpedoing himself.
• 1:04:52
  Yes. And then when people point that
• 1:04:54
  out, he's just like, oh, no, this is, this is.
• 1:04:56
  I've been sabotaged. Somehow.
• 1:04:58
  He lost his mind. Like, there was a Joe Rogan was
• 1:05:03
  like one of the first people to be called him out for being on
• 1:05:05
  stairs because, like, Joe knows about beep dudes on steroids.
• 1:05:08
  Yeah. And lubricating lost his mind,
• 1:05:11
  started like going to where Joe lives, like the general area
• 1:05:14
  where he lives, trying to find him in the street, try to like
• 1:05:17
  get onto his property and ended up having a restraining order
• 1:05:20
  taken out against him. He's got a buying order on him.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah, it's crazy. He blamed Joe Rogan specifically
• 1:05:27
  because like, Rogan's biggest podcast in the world and honor
• 1:05:29
  of multiple episodes, he's just like, yeah, this liver king guys
• 1:05:32
  full of shit. Like, you know, he's clearly
• 1:05:34
  like, up to his gills and fucking steroids.
• 1:05:36
  So with that in mind, Brian Johnson, the liver King shot to
• 1:05:40
  fame in 2021 during the COVID pandemic by going viral online
• 1:05:45
  for promoting his ancestral lifestyle.
• 1:05:47
  There was the the 9 tenets of the ancestral lifestyle.
• 1:05:51
  So again, like there it is like the ancestral part is linked to
• 1:05:55
  like the other salesman who came to have secrets of like, you
• 1:05:57
  know, far off, like Asian wise men or South American or
• 1:06:01
  Polynesian people. He's saying the same thing with
• 1:06:03
  this. It's like this is like a a
• 1:06:05
  simpler culture, you know, like it's going back to a simpler and
• 1:06:08
  more effective time of when we were just people, like out
• 1:06:12
  hunting and striving to survive. But what really shot him to fame
• 1:06:16
  was his disgusting and hilarious eating habits.
• 1:06:19
  Obviously he ate raw liver, but it was also eyeballs and
• 1:06:23
  mountains and mountains of bull testicles.
• 1:06:26
  Hell yeah. Yeah, that's just a regular
• 1:06:28
  Saturday for Danny. Rocky Mountain Nicers.
• 1:06:32
  He used his social media following to direct his fans to
• 1:06:35
  his line of supplements. And this is where the snake oil
• 1:06:39
  comes in. So pills and powders that were
• 1:06:41
  the essence of various animal body parts.
• 1:06:44
  Oh, and did I mention how muscular he is?
• 1:06:46
  Have I talked about, like, the dude is jacked?
• 1:06:48
  He's ripped, He's shredded, He's yoked.
• 1:06:51
  He's fucking huge. Yeah.
• 1:06:53
  And all of that, all of that, Danny, like, all of that, like,
• 1:06:56
  bulging. Everything was down to his diet
• 1:06:59
  and lifestyle. No drugs or steroids because
• 1:07:01
  Cavemen didn't inject exogenous testosterone.
• 1:07:05
  They ate testicles for the testosterone just.
• 1:07:08
  Clanging and banging baby. Exactly.
• 1:07:10
  He's just, he's doing like he's doing crazy workouts and eating
• 1:07:13
  balls because as like balls are where testosterone are or is.
• 1:07:18
  And if you eat balls, you get testosterone and like think of
• 1:07:22
  an animal that's really big. It's a bull, right?
• 1:07:24
  That bulls are big and fucking. They're big and jacked.
• 1:07:26
  So you get their balls, you get big and jacked.
• 1:07:30
  Danny, it's so simple. Why is it being directed at me?
• 1:07:33
  I don't like. Does he empty the testicles
• 1:07:36
  first? Because everybody knows that P
• 1:07:38
  is stored in the balls. P is stored in the balls.
• 1:07:41
  No, he, he, he, well, you know what?
• 1:07:43
  The balls are already severed, so I assumed that they had been
• 1:07:45
  rung out like like a wet towel. So many people doubted him, Joe
• 1:07:50
  Rogan being the most public one, but he insisted aggressively
• 1:07:56
  that he was natural and he started doing podcasts and he
• 1:07:58
  would be on these podcasts and he'd be like, no, I'm totally
• 1:08:00
  natural. Like, you know, I just followed
• 1:08:02
  the the 9 ancestral tenets. You know, I eat like raw liver
• 1:08:07
  and you know, like I eat my eyes are healthy because I eat eyes
• 1:08:10
  from animals. And you know, I eat the he he
• 1:08:12
  would do like videos where like he would eat like the penis of a
• 1:08:16
  bull. And it was kind of like this
• 1:08:17
  mukbang thing that was really big on the Internet like back
• 1:08:20
  then as well. People just like eating
• 1:08:21
  disgusting food for views. And he was doing it with just
• 1:08:24
  like raw animal parts. So until inevitably he was outed
• 1:08:29
  as a habitual and staggering steroid user, the Liver King was
• 1:08:34
  spending $12,000 a month on steroids and treatments.
• 1:08:39
  He tried to deny it for a while, but eventually he had to come
• 1:08:42
  clean and admit that he was indeed on the juice.
• 1:08:45
  In a very ill conceived video he admitted it, but still did so in
• 1:08:49
  character and still maintained that the ancestral lifestyle was
• 1:08:53
  the way. He was sued by his customers
• 1:08:56
  because he had, you know, still has a supplement line of like,
• 1:08:59
  you know, you can buy like a pill that is like ox testicle.
• 1:09:02
  You can buy a pill that is sheep eye, like all this stuff he has.
• 1:09:05
  There's dozens of products you can buy from his store.
• 1:09:08
  So his customer sued him for $25 million class action lawsuit,
• 1:09:12
  but the suit was later just discontinued because I think
• 1:09:14
  those people just didn't have the appetite for it.
• 1:09:16
  A lot like a lot of his followers bought his supplements
• 1:09:19
  thinking that they would get his physique by just swallowing
• 1:09:22
  powdered bull balls. I would actually love to see his
• 1:09:25
  products tested because the supplement industry is where
• 1:09:28
  snake oil has taken on a whole new shape.
• 1:09:30
  Because recently a bunch of creatine gummies were tested and
• 1:09:35
  most of them had fuck all creatine in them.
• 1:09:37
  Really. Yeah, there's a so there's this
• 1:09:39
  guy, his name is James Smith. He is a, he started off as like
• 1:09:42
  an online PT and he's grown into this like, like he runs several
• 1:09:46
  companies. He has his own supplement
• 1:09:48
  company, but his whole thing is how he actually like uses like
• 1:09:51
  the correct ingredients. You know, if he says something
• 1:09:53
  has 5% creatine, it has that. And he he's like, he has this
• 1:09:57
  like whole online training Academy.
• 1:09:59
  He has these new tonic is a drink.
• 1:10:01
  He has, he has these zins with the same thing.
• 1:10:04
  And his whole thing is like he, he, he shot to fame because he'd
• 1:10:08
  do videos where he'd call out other like, you know, online
• 1:10:10
  personal trainers bullshit. Like if they were posting like,
• 1:10:13
  you know, nonsense workouts and saying that it was the reason
• 1:10:15
  that they were so shredded, he'd be like, no, it's because you're
• 1:10:17
  fucking injecting yourself with like Anavar.
• 1:10:19
  That's why you're jacked. It's like, stop telling people
• 1:10:22
  that you're just like training hard and you look like a
• 1:10:24
  bodybuilder. So he, he did this, like he paid
• 1:10:28
  for himself. He bought all these products, he
• 1:10:30
  sent them off to a lab to be tested.
• 1:10:32
  And most of the creatine gummies were absolute bullshit.
• 1:10:35
  And then like he, he came up with his own product, which
• 1:10:38
  would have like the correct amount and he sent it off for
• 1:10:40
  like individual testing, you know, blind testing, all that
• 1:10:43
  stuff. So like, it sounds like I'm
• 1:10:44
  chilling for him, but like his products actually are legit
• 1:10:46
  because that's his whole thing. Is that like the industry is
• 1:10:48
  full of fucking lawyers? Well, it's interesting now that
• 1:10:51
  you see all of these gummies and stuff with the we are literally
• 1:10:54
  getting this. It's going almost right back to
• 1:10:57
  snake oil when you see that yes, online all of this like Sheila
• 1:11:02
  GS or Ashwaganda and all this kind of stuff is being sold in
• 1:11:06
  Gobi form and stuff like that. And you're being sold on the
• 1:11:09
  fact that like this, like even now you're, you're being sold
• 1:11:12
  like this. Mushroom tea will make you
• 1:11:15
  better from your ADHD. Because that's your brain frog,
• 1:11:19
  Yeah. So, so now, now it's like, oh,
• 1:11:21
  why have you got autism? We actually have the thing for
• 1:11:23
  that like and it's it's this. We have a mushroom for that.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  And there's a mushroom for everything now.
• 1:11:28
  Like there's it. It just seems to be.
• 1:11:30
  And and the mushroom only grows on the highest hills in the
• 1:11:33
  Himalayas. It's by blind Sherpas who only
• 1:11:37
  have one arm. One arm that can pick the
• 1:11:39
  mushroom perfectly without sacrificing all of its vitality.
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, that's like it's the same. Yeah, that did I literally have,
• 1:11:47
  I think downstairs here that is, has she legit in it where I was
• 1:11:52
  like, oh, I'm going to try that out.
• 1:11:54
  And I actually feel like an idiot now when when I think
• 1:11:56
  about it, like, like written on the the container for this, she
• 1:12:00
  legit is that you can only get it in the Andes and like you can
• 1:12:05
  only trend all through like, and it's it's crazy like that.
• 1:12:08
  Like, yeah, I'm an idiot. I fell for that.
• 1:12:12
  There is a kernel of truth in this kind of stuff again.
• 1:12:14
  But now you're being sold on the dream that this is going to fix
• 1:12:17
  you. Yeah, yeah, there's a huge thing
• 1:12:20
  as well. Like it's the same with like
• 1:12:22
  skin care for women. That's a huge thing.
• 1:12:26
  It's like all of these ingredients like hyalonic acid,
• 1:12:29
  retinol and they just, they, they throw in all these like, I
• 1:12:32
  guess trendy buzzword names. Like to be like this is gonna
• 1:12:36
  fix. Every problem you ever had with
• 1:12:39
  your skin, and you know what I mean?
• 1:12:40
  It's like how you. Market to men you just name
• 1:12:42
  things after like fighter jets, like you know.
• 1:12:44
  Yes, yeah, yeah. Like all razors, like you know,
• 1:12:46
  Mach 3 Quattro, you know, it's just you're, you're marketing to
• 1:12:50
  little boys and with women, you are marketing to like magic
• 1:12:54
  results. Yeah, exactly that.
• 1:12:56
  And it's like there's a lot of hype now around like Korean skin
• 1:13:00
  care products and stuff like that because like.
• 1:13:03
  It's like I brought the secret back from Asia.
• 1:13:06
  Yes, that's. Exactly it.
• 1:13:08
  And it's like, yeah, you can see like so, so Korean skin care
• 1:13:12
  products are amazing and they are great.
• 1:13:14
  And like I've I've watched an influencer like like basically
• 1:13:17
  test out. Or did she offer a discount
• 1:13:19
  code? No, she actually didn't.
• 1:13:21
  But she was just like she went to like Seoul and she bought a
• 1:13:24
  bunch of like the main kind of like hyped ones over there.
• 1:13:28
  And then brands that claim to have the same year and you have
• 1:13:33
  all the influencers that are paid by the UK brand to be like,
• 1:13:37
  guys, don't spend the big bucks on, you know, the import likes
• 1:13:42
  buy this, this is great in just a week, this is my skin and
• 1:13:45
  whatever. And she like trialled the two of
• 1:13:48
  them. It's like.
• 1:13:49
  Hi, guys. Just jumping on for a minute.
• 1:13:51
  Yeah, like, Oh my God. Like literally look at my chin
• 1:13:55
  and it's like, I just want. To tell you about this new
• 1:13:57
  product that I've I've been interested you're being so
• 1:14:01
  you're being paid to tell me about this.
• 1:14:02
  Like, yeah. I've been using this for so long
• 1:14:05
  guys. The best thing about it now
• 1:14:07
  though, is like TikTok has to put like a Commission.
• 1:14:09
  You have to put a Commission paid on TikTok now or you'll get
• 1:14:12
  like deleted and flagged. But so anyway, this woman, so
• 1:14:15
  she basically did like a video where it was like the actual
• 1:14:18
  Korean brand and then the UK brand, which claims to have the
• 1:14:22
  same ingredients, but I like brags that it's very similar to
• 1:14:28
  the Korean brand. So if that's how far you have to
• 1:14:30
  go, but essentially like she tested the two of them.
• 1:14:35
  She was doing a half face every day of like each product.
• 1:14:40
  All right, Yeah. And the difference in the Korean
• 1:14:44
  side was fucking crazy. She started to get inflammation
• 1:14:48
  and like her skin was. Peeling.
• 1:14:53
  Is this like when Roddy Piper did half blackface at
• 1:14:55
  WrestleMania I? Was going to say on one side
• 1:14:58
  does she look Korean? On one side I was like please
• 1:15:01
  one side. She's like, she's just gotten
• 1:15:03
  like, yellow face. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:05
  No, but you could see the day, like the text, the difference in
• 1:15:08
  the texture of her skin and like the quality of her skin with the
• 1:15:12
  Korean side that she paid. Like I mean it was very
• 1:15:15
  expensive, like maybe like 80 to 90 lbs per product that she
• 1:15:21
  paid. She was, she was being paid for
• 1:15:23
  the British one, is that what you're saying?
• 1:15:26
  No, she wasn't being paid for anything.
• 1:15:27
  She. Was just trying.
• 1:15:29
  Both right, because she was like, it's this.
• 1:15:31
  What a fucking moron. Yeah, but she was like she, she
• 1:15:33
  was very high up. She's she gets paid a lot
• 1:15:36
  anyway. She's like, you know, full time
• 1:15:38
  kind of influence. You're one of those.
• 1:15:40
  But she's kind of very like down to earth in the sense that she
• 1:15:44
  like doesn't like she does her paid things before, but only
• 1:15:47
  things that she actually likes. Like she a lot of brands, she'll
• 1:15:50
  turn away, but that's what like, there were so many people.
• 1:15:53
  Like brands I believe in guys. Yes, but.
• 1:15:55
  No, basically like I, I know they all say that like I do, but
• 1:15:59
  like with her, I I would kind of tend to believe it.
• 1:16:02
  But anyway. Enter my bank account like I
• 1:16:06
  when when I believe in them. That's what I hear that Ching,
• 1:16:09
  but she. Wouldn't anyway shut up.
• 1:16:11
  So yeah, So basically she, all of these other influencers have
• 1:16:15
  been like jumping on, you'll know who I'm talking about if
• 1:16:18
  you're listening to this anyway. And you're like, you're into
• 1:16:20
  your influencers. We're jumping on this brand
• 1:16:23
  that's like, oh, I swear, babes, they're just like the Korean
• 1:16:27
  brands and blah, blah. She's just like, I bet they're
• 1:16:30
  fucking not. And she just did this as like an
• 1:16:32
  experiment and like, yeah, it was just the, the, the UK brands
• 1:16:36
  are like nothing compared to like the Korean brands.
• 1:16:39
  And it's like because they've got ingredients and shit over
• 1:16:42
  there that you can't. That aren't approved by the
• 1:16:46
  regulators here. Exactly.
• 1:16:49
  Like it's completely different. Like if you want to make
• 1:16:51
  something similar, you're going to have to like either cut out.
• 1:16:54
  Over in Korea they they have bits with their skin care
• 1:16:57
  routine that is made from a grass snake and it's really good
• 1:17:01
  for your skin if you rub it in. Yeah, And it's like, ever wonder
• 1:17:05
  how Korean people get glass like skin?
• 1:17:08
  And it's like it's also the environment.
• 1:17:10
  Plastic surgery. Like it?
• 1:17:12
  It's not the same environment. It's not.
• 1:17:14
  The same air. Water is different.
• 1:17:17
  As well like. You know, water is a major
• 1:17:19
  factor to bring things home on a on our snake oil sales.
• 1:17:24
  I'm, I'm sorry, like because Danny just triggered me there
• 1:17:27
  when, when she was talking about the those products.
• 1:17:29
  But I think one of the ones, I'll be as brief as possible
• 1:17:32
  now, but the biggest one now that we're seeing is nicotine.
• 1:17:38
  If we see what the revolution that nicotine is after again in
• 1:17:42
  the last little while. And I actually think like the
• 1:17:45
  biggest snake oil salesman when it comes to nicotine.
• 1:17:47
  And I don't know what I know why now, but I didn't know why at
• 1:17:51
  the time was Tucker Carlson when he was talking about Zinns and
• 1:17:57
  so Oh, right, OK, yes. And he The funny thing is Zinn
• 1:18:01
  had the guys from Zinn had to actually send a cease and
• 1:18:05
  desist. Yes.
• 1:18:07
  Please tell me what Zinns are I I don't know they are.
• 1:18:11
  A. Little like a little kind of a
• 1:18:15
  tablet, a pouch, kind of a thing that you stick underneath your
• 1:18:18
  lip and it releases nicotine into you.
• 1:18:21
  So it's like, and it's not tobacco.
• 1:18:24
  Well, it's it's nicotine. It's like chewable tobacco, no?
• 1:18:27
  Not chewable. You just so it's, it's a little
• 1:18:30
  pouch that if you took under your lip, because you absorb
• 1:18:34
  things through your gums pretty well, your space will mix with
• 1:18:38
  it in the pouch and then it will absorb into your gums into your
• 1:18:42
  bloodstream. I see.
• 1:18:44
  OK, so it's like a nicotine patch, but like stronger and.
• 1:18:47
  Chewing tobacco. Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah, yeah. And then you spit it out.
• 1:18:50
  Like in a in a package. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:18:52
  Yeah. So like the the thing now with.
• 1:18:55
  But it doesn't. We don't have to spit.
• 1:18:57
  It out eventually you spit out, but it.
• 1:18:58
  Just got rid of the pouch so you see these little pouches
• 1:19:00
  everywhere, OK. OK, OK.
• 1:19:01
  Sorry, I'm with you. Sorry, Jesse, I just didn't know
• 1:19:03
  what it was. No, no, it's fine.
• 1:19:05
  You don't have to spit out like like when you're when you have
• 1:19:08
  chewing tobacco, you see them, they're spitting that into a
• 1:19:11
  bottle all the time or whatever you don't want.
• 1:19:13
  You can actually swallow your spit like this is it's fine to
• 1:19:16
  be ingested like because it's not a tobacco product.
• 1:19:18
  This is just a nicotine product but so like.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, I get you. OK.
• 1:19:21
  What happened like 5 or 6 years ago became massive to talk about
• 1:19:26
  how nicotine without tobacco is actually really good for you.
• 1:19:30
  And it's just really good benefits like cognitive
• 1:19:33
  benefits. And yeah, like, yeah, it's good
• 1:19:35
  for it's, it's good for energy and it's good for, eh, you know,
• 1:19:39
  your brain, brain. Fog.
• 1:19:40
  That's the big one, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:42
  So Tucker Carlson for some reason.
• 1:19:44
  Hey, guys, what are we doing? What's going on?
• 1:19:48
  What is America now like? So Tucker, Tucker Carlson was
• 1:19:52
  big proponent for Zinn, so much so that he was talking about
• 1:19:56
  like this actually will help you in the bedroom.
• 1:19:59
  And he was basically saying that like Zinn could give you boners
• 1:20:02
  and Zinn had to go and say him cease and desist.
• 1:20:06
  To say, like, could you stop going on to every podcast?
• 1:20:10
  Yeah, but he was he was on talking.
• 1:20:11
  About. Talking about, Yeah, talking
• 1:20:13
  about how like this nicotine product actually is good for you
• 1:20:17
  in the bedroom. He's getting him hired.
• 1:20:19
  So he was obviously paid at one stage when?
• 1:20:21
  I kick this nicotine product. And I get bricked up and then I
• 1:20:25
  see my and. My wife and she says, Tucker,
• 1:20:28
  where did you get that hard Dick from?
• 1:20:31
  What's going on? What are we doing?
• 1:20:35
  So yeah, basically Zinn ended up sending him a cease and desist
• 1:20:38
  and he got real butthurt about that.
• 1:20:40
  That's. Amazing.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, and he made his own, so he obviously got online.
• 1:20:45
  Yeah. So I forget what it's called
• 1:20:47
  now, but Tucker Carlson has his own form of this nicotine pouch.
• 1:20:52
  Basically this whole nicotine thing was just another way for
• 1:20:57
  big tobacco because they were obviously losing out on like
• 1:21:00
  nobody was smoking anymore. Vapes were coming in, they're
• 1:21:03
  losing their. Eyes on that, Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  Yes and yeah, but like faces, we're talking about banning
• 1:21:08
  vapes for so long, especially these single use vapes, because
• 1:21:11
  they were terrible for the environment.
• 1:21:13
  Like, and so they needed and and another kind of angle to come in
• 1:21:18
  and keep people addicted to nicotine and and it's highly the
• 1:21:22
  it's one of the most addictive troops on the planet.
• 1:21:25
  This nicotine is no matter what we talk about how the benefits,
• 1:21:28
  if there is fucking cognitive benefits or whatever, it's still
• 1:21:31
  highly addictive. So like it's a substance that
• 1:21:34
  can I? Just say as well though, I'd
• 1:21:36
  rather you smoked than vaped. Like I genuinely would rather
• 1:21:41
  you smoke than vape. Smoke like a man.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, exactly. It's like if if you're going to
• 1:21:47
  get cancer, just be cool about it.
• 1:21:50
  Like don't fucking like I don't your little fruity flavored
• 1:21:53
  fucking little robot penis that you're sucking on.
• 1:21:56
  Like I just. Like.
• 1:21:59
  Your Raspberry air, no, it just it's fucking aches me out so.
• 1:22:04
  The robot penis thing, says the woman, who has a collection of
• 1:22:07
  like, fucking. Actual.
• 1:22:09
  Robot. Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah, like actual. Robot, I've had like you guys.
• 1:22:15
  You suck on your vape robot penis and then like her herd
• 1:22:18
  like cupboard, like falls open and it's just a mountain of
• 1:22:21
  dildos. Yeah, well, whatever.
• 1:22:24
  Like they they serve a purpose, but like.
• 1:22:26
  Daddy, I went over to your apartment last week and it was
• 1:22:28
  just a buzzing sound all the time.
• 1:22:31
  What's going on? But it's.
• 1:22:33
  Just like I've had had had guys come over and it's just like,
• 1:22:38
  it's a cool if I vape here, it's like it's cool if you leave, you
• 1:22:42
  get the fuck out of my apartment.
• 1:22:43
  I think I'm like 3 years away from a clear pipe.
• 1:22:46
  Like you'll see me packing a clear pipe.
• 1:22:49
  I love that. That would be fine with me.
• 1:22:52
  Just like standing on the side of the road and like, if anyone
• 1:22:54
  walks past years, like sometimes dad is better.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, it's. Legit y'all gonna I'm gonna die
• 1:23:00
  up there. They don't want to go up to that
• 1:23:02
  house. No, like I just that over of it
• 1:23:06
  just fucking aches me the fuck out and like they've they've
• 1:23:09
  gone to the point where they're making them in like pretty
• 1:23:11
  colors and all this, and I'm just like go suck a Dick because
• 1:23:15
  that would be fucking. That would turn me on more right
• 1:23:18
  now than you sucking on that little.
• 1:23:20
  Fucking like, like pain like a genuine observation.
• 1:23:23
  That you've got oh, I love seeing guys suck Dick but anyway
• 1:23:26
  there we. Go I.
• 1:23:27
  You know what I knew I could have been?
• 1:23:29
  I'm going to bring it down, Liver King.
• 1:23:30
  OK so so now liver king, he only posts videos of himself high as
• 1:23:34
  fuck and ketamine. He's developed like this really
• 1:23:37
  acute drug problem and he goes on these weird rants about God,
• 1:23:40
  the universe and all his usual bullshit.
• 1:23:42
  But it's wrapped up in like the guy has read the thesaurus and
• 1:23:45
  he is really showing that he's memorized every fucking word of
• 1:23:48
  it. And all while doing this, he is
• 1:23:51
  surrounded with so many guns and knives and he's kept his
• 1:23:56
  millions and he doesn't have to post videos of himself eating
• 1:23:59
  bursting bull balls anymore. Instead, now the overarching
• 1:24:04
  feeling that you get from watching his videos is that he's
• 1:24:06
  about to murder his entire family.
• 1:24:09
  That is genuinely the feeling. Can I just say as well, that
• 1:24:12
  scene in the documentary at the very end and they're all eating
• 1:24:15
  the deer. Just see, Have you seen it on
• 1:24:18
  Netflix? I haven't seen it, should I
• 1:24:20
  watch it? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:21
  Because, like, yeah, he doesn't understand what's happening.
• 1:24:26
  Like he thinks that like the crew were there to basically
• 1:24:29
  like. Document Liver King.
• 1:24:31
  Yeah, yeah, well, it's just basically to prove how he's
• 1:24:33
  fucking mental. But they at the end scene
• 1:24:36
  basically he kills a deer and cuts it open and without any any
• 1:24:42
  cooking it, serializing it nothing.
• 1:24:44
  His family are just talking into this.
• 1:24:47
  They're. Champing on the liver, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  And the crew were filming it and like her hit him and his wife
• 1:24:54
  and and kids. He's got like 2-3 kids.
• 1:24:56
  Two sons. Yeah, two sons and they're
• 1:24:59
  covered in blood. And then the next scene then is
• 1:25:02
  him. Basically he goes and like
• 1:25:04
  washes in this fucking river in the morning and he has at.
• 1:25:09
  Various different points he has. He's promoted not showering,
• 1:25:13
  because that's not primal. He is promoted not wiping your
• 1:25:17
  ass after you take a shit, because that's not primal.
• 1:25:20
  And I can attest from traveling on the London Underground travel
• 1:25:23
  network that a bunch of men all into this idea of not wiping
• 1:25:30
  your fucking arse. Yeah.
• 1:25:32
  And you know. Fucking unbelievable.
• 1:25:35
  I remember talking to my brother about it because he again bingo
• 1:25:39
  my crazy brother mentioned but he did the carnivore diet for
• 1:25:43
  like for a long time. Like just shit himself all the
• 1:25:46
  time. Fucking probably, but he bought
• 1:25:49
  into the carnivore diet for the longest time and then when he
• 1:25:52
  fell down the hole, Joe Rogan is actually God rabbit hole.
• 1:25:56
  Then he was like, no, yeah, he's a fucking nut job.
• 1:25:59
  He's crazy. But I'm like, you followed that
• 1:26:01
  diet for a year and a half and then because you're Lord and
• 1:26:05
  savior Joe Rogan, which I know Joe Rogan he has.
• 1:26:10
  I feel, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, this is just what
• 1:26:13
  I because I don't actually listen to the podcast.
• 1:26:15
  I I just see clips and stuff online.
• 1:26:17
  He he is turning a little bit of a corner because he doesn't seem
• 1:26:21
  to be so pro Trump so. Well, he's no no.
• 1:26:26
  So he, him and Trump were very buddy buddy this weekend.
• 1:26:31
  When? He made appearance.
• 1:26:32
  In the White House. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:35
  No, but Trump made an appearance.
• 1:26:36
  Our Rogan made an appearance in the White House because in the
• 1:26:39
  lead up to it, he was like, he was doubting like the
• 1:26:41
  effectiveness of the, the Trump regime.
• 1:26:44
  He was, he was also talking about how like, you know, ICE is
• 1:26:46
  a genuinely bad thing, terrible men like regular Americans.
• 1:26:50
  And he he like Rogan made this statement where he's just like,
• 1:26:53
  you know, oh, I feel like I'm kind of like politically
• 1:26:55
  homeless because like, this is a guy I vote for.
• 1:26:57
  And now I don't think it's it's working out that well.
• 1:26:59
  And straight away the White House reached out to him and
• 1:27:01
  they were like, Joe, come in. Like, you know, we'll all hang
• 1:27:03
  out, we'll all talk. What do you want?
• 1:27:04
  And he's like straight away, straight away he did.
• 1:27:07
  And he went and there he was in the fucking Oval Office because
• 1:27:10
  he, he was. And he, he doesn't have the
• 1:27:12
  critical thinking to know. It's like, oh, they're buying me
• 1:27:14
  off with this like, cool thing of being invited to the White
• 1:27:18
  House. I think that's why Theo Von is
• 1:27:20
  slandering his. What actually, I do want to say
• 1:27:23
  that what has happened there is actually a really good thing,
• 1:27:26
  though. So what Joe Rogan, and again,
• 1:27:28
  I'm not a, I'm not a Roganite by any stretch of the imagination,
• 1:27:32
  but what he has actually got, it's a bill that's passed that
• 1:27:35
  will effectively help out a lot of veterans who can get a lot of
• 1:27:42
  help with micro dosing on psilocybin and different types
• 1:27:46
  of so. That's what Joe was into, yeah.
• 1:27:48
  So that's what? So that's, you know, you know,
• 1:27:50
  Joe Rogan and his magic mushrooms.
• 1:27:52
  She's like, the thing about what it is.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah. Oh.
• 1:27:54
  Yeah, the mushroom. So like there's a 90% effective
• 1:27:58
  rating or something like that to, to the drugs that are used
• 1:28:01
  for people who suffer from the likes of PTSD or anxiety
• 1:28:05
  disorders. And, and none of these guys who
• 1:28:09
  were coming back from war were able to get any kind of
• 1:28:12
  treatment at all. And now they're going to be able
• 1:28:15
  to get this special treatment. And OK, so whether it's billions
• 1:28:19
  of dollars, Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Maddow's pyramid schemes,
• 1:28:22
  or just the millions of dollars in the in the case of Liver
• 1:28:26
  King, the snake oil salesman lives on and even into the
• 1:28:29
  highest office in the land. Donald Trump promised voters
• 1:28:32
  that he and he alone could negotiate with Russia.
• 1:28:36
  Only he could fix the Middle East.
• 1:28:38
  And when he got into power, all of his bluster amounted to a
• 1:28:41
  full call. And he's now headlong into a
• 1:28:43
  full Christianity war, declaring his war against Iran holy, while
• 1:28:47
  his false promises are quickly forgotten by his base.
• 1:28:50
  Charles Stanley would be proud. So, yeah, the the president of
• 1:28:54
  America is like king, well, current king of snake oil
• 1:28:58
  salesman. And that's, that's what he's
• 1:29:00
  always done. Like, you know, his whole thing
• 1:29:01
  is like, you know, oh, I'm a businessman.
• 1:29:04
  I know how to run the economy. I'll run the economy like a
• 1:29:07
  business. I'm a billionaire.
• 1:29:09
  And it's like, yeah, you've, you've had six bankruptcies.
• 1:29:13
  Legit. That's yeah.
• 1:29:14
  You know he's declared bankruptcy 6 times, multiple
• 1:29:17
  times he's been bailed out by Russian money.
• 1:29:20
  This is a a widely known fact. The Russian money was filtered
• 1:29:23
  to Deutsche Bank in Europe and. Who funded Auschwitz, by the
• 1:29:28
  way? Yes, so, you know, they've kept
• 1:29:30
  up all that dirty activity. So Russia like out the book I'm
• 1:29:33
  reading on Donald Trump at the moment, which is called American
• 1:29:35
  compromise. It is like Russia just invested
• 1:29:38
  in him and anytime his bullshit failed spectacularly because
• 1:29:42
  he's a fucking idiot, the Russians were just like, Oh no,
• 1:29:45
  we're we're grooming this guy. Like this guy has connections.
• 1:29:48
  Like, you know, he's putting himself out there.
• 1:29:50
  In the 1980s, Trump was talking about running for president of
• 1:29:53
  America. Like, you know, he was a Reagan
• 1:29:55
  guy. He joked about running against
• 1:29:57
  Reagan and then was just like, oh, you know, I'm not not really
• 1:30:00
  serious about that. And then when he became like,
• 1:30:02
  the big TV personality that he became, it was just like a
• 1:30:05
  rocket had been strapped to his back at that point.
• 1:30:08
  But, yeah, like, the the fact that, like, the president of
• 1:30:10
  America is a snake oil salesman. It just could not be more
• 1:30:14
  perfect. It's insane.
• 1:30:15
  It is absolutely mental. Yeah, I I couldn't agree more.
• 1:30:19
  I think you've you've put a little bow on all of this by
• 1:30:22
  being like, it's the what's wrong with America.
• 1:30:25
  And then at the end of all of these episodes, it seems to be
• 1:30:27
  like and this place back to Donald Trump in this way.
• 1:30:31
  Because anytime I've mentioned, like, doing this series before
• 1:30:34
  we started it, I was always just like, oh, yeah, like that, that
• 1:30:37
  could be an episode and what's wrong with America?
• 1:30:39
  And then it's just always like this applies to Trump as well.
• 1:30:42
  It's like, you know, there's this collective or this
• 1:30:45
  collection of things that I think has like shaped America
• 1:30:48
  since its founding. And every one of them, it gets
• 1:30:51
  distilled and it's just in he just.
• 1:30:53
  Seems to be the the epitome of everything wrong with the
• 1:30:58
  country. Yeah, in one bumbling fucking.
• 1:31:02
  Yeah, like there is like when he died and we do an episode on him
• 1:31:08
  and we do an episode on him, it'll just be a list of like,
• 1:31:11
  you know, just the shit that he's done, the hypocrisy that he
• 1:31:14
  lives like his his family, like he's have.
• 1:31:18
  You seen how scary his parents are?
• 1:31:20
  They look like ghouls. Like, literally.
• 1:31:22
  Oh my God, like Alex and put a picture on the Instagram of his
• 1:31:27
  parents. They're fucking terrifying.
• 1:31:30
  His kids are look fucking terrifying as well.
• 1:31:33
  Though yeah, like Don and Eric are wild.
• 1:31:35
  Baron. Of course you love Baron.
• 1:31:37
  He's 6 foot 10. He likes his suitcase and that's
• 1:31:41
  it and I love Baron and. Slender Man, Yeah.
• 1:31:44
  Obviously. And I love Melania and that's
• 1:31:46
  it. That's it.
• 1:31:47
  But yeah, like Trump is just like he's the the
• 1:31:48
  personification of like all of these these issues, like, you
• 1:31:51
  know, the Puritans, like he is the continuation of the whole
• 1:31:54
  Puritan thing where like he pretends to be the purest and
• 1:31:58
  the most righteous person there is, but he's actually the
• 1:32:02
  absolute worst person you could you could stand in the room
• 1:32:06
  with. He is the Antichrist.
• 1:32:07
  I said this the other day. I was just like, you know, the
• 1:32:09
  way that he's feuding with the Pope and like, the way that he's
• 1:32:12
  making all of us lapsed Catholics be like, don't you
• 1:32:15
  talk about the Holy Father like that?
• 1:32:18
  Stupid sexy Pope. I would kind of be like, maybe
• 1:32:21
  Trump is the Antichrist, like, because he's making all of us
• 1:32:25
  atheists pick the Pope in the sight of a fight, Yeah.
• 1:32:28
  What? The wrong rising, yeah.
• 1:32:31
  Also, he's going to be the end of Israel, like Jerusalem is
• 1:32:35
  going to fall because of this is what I'm saying.
• 1:32:39
  So it's like I don't want like again, I was thinking about
• 1:32:42
  well, for one of my episodes right in the whole why is this
• 1:32:47
  the rise of the Antichrist at the end of the world?
• 1:32:51
  And I just said I can't, I can't actually bring myself to write
• 1:32:55
  that episode because it's it gets to a point where it's so
• 1:33:00
  fucking close to the bone on every aspect because right now
• 1:33:04
  this is what we're seeing. Yeah, we're in like that
• 1:33:07
  prophecy, It's, it's fucking bizarre.
• 1:33:10
  What are the three queer lads that wrote the the Prophecy?
• 1:33:16
  The three did you say what the? 3 queer lads sentence is that?
• 1:33:21
  What the fuck are the three queer lads who wrote that
• 1:33:25
  prophecy? No, it was like they had the
• 1:33:28
  Tree Prayer Fellows and they had premonitions and over the years
• 1:33:36
  and they were touched by the Holy Mother or some.
• 1:33:41
  So is this like the like what the Antichrist is like?
• 1:33:45
  It's like there's like. Yeah, but it was the children or
• 1:33:47
  something. And then they had.
• 1:33:49
  Sodom. No, they had like something and
• 1:33:51
  then one of them, like the last thing that they predicted was 2
• 1:33:54
  metal birds. Are you thinking of Nostradamus?
• 1:33:57
  Yes, sounds. Very Nostradamus.
• 1:33:59
  Not that, but there. Was, I think Nostradamus never
• 1:34:02
  said that. The metal birds, that was all
• 1:34:03
  there. No, him as well, but there was 3
• 1:34:06
  kids. You have to know it was the
• 1:34:09
  Catholic thing. There were apparently Holy Mary
• 1:34:11
  told them there was 3 kids and they had premonitions.
• 1:34:15
  No, I know what this is where Mary revealed the all these like
• 1:34:20
  the secrets is it's it's it's the secrets of Fatima.
• 1:34:24
  Yeah. Yes, OK.
• 1:34:26
  Right. It's the secrets of Fatima, yes.
• 1:34:28
  And like apparently two of them have come true and the last one
• 1:34:33
  will herald like, the end of the world or something.
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  Yes, yeah. And it's not happened yet.
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  But then and then like I know that because Padre Pio is the
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  one that said that like it was 2 metal birds would start a war
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  and then they said the two planes hitting the twin towers
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  that started the war basically. Kicked off thing is bought and a
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  misquote one of those things that is like brought around and
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  around but like there was a guy from Canada Andrew adding on to
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  a quote and out in fairness, it was before the twin towers came
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  down, but it was like in the 90s that he's he done it as an
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  experiment to say that you can construe prophecies to mean
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  anything at any time. It was just a real big.
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  Coincidence. It's all up to interpretation.
• 1:35:21
  Exactly. But it's just a real big
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  coincidence that the twin towers came down like 10 years after he
• 1:35:26
  actually added to a prophecy and said that metal birds are going
• 1:35:29
  to take down some fucking a major city.
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  That is actually quite insane. Yeah, thought it's crazy.
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  It's kind of fucked up even, yeah.
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  It is, but it's it's the same kind of way, I guess like if you
• 1:35:39
  can read like tarot card, interpret interpretations, like
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  it's everything is subjective that happened to whatever you
• 1:35:45
  want to kind of add to it, yeah. Anyways, I'm not doing the
• 1:35:49
  Antichrist. Not yet anyways.
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  Like let's just see. Let's give give this a round
• 1:35:57
  thing another couple of months. Yeah, let's see what happens
• 1:36:00
  with this. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:02
  I think we're close to it though.
• 1:36:04
  And then just see, that's going to be one of your longer
• 1:36:05
  episodes if we have to do the Antichrist.
• 1:36:08
  Yeah, like that's why I'm afraid of.
• 1:36:10
  That. Yeah, there's just so much.
• 1:36:13
  You'll have to come out from a certain angle.
• 1:36:15
  Like you can't just say like, let's talk about the Antichrist.
• 1:36:17
  You're gonna have to do like how the Antichrist could show up now
• 1:36:21
  with what's happening. Origin of the idea, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:23
  And you can even say like, and I would say the Antichrist has
• 1:36:27
  taken many forms throughout history with different political
• 1:36:30
  leaders, and it always tends to be someone empowered.
• 1:36:33
  Or ex boyfriends. They're not smart enough to be
• 1:36:37
  the end. Anyways, I have an idea for next
• 1:36:39
  week anyway, so we'll, we'll, we'll go actually.
• 1:36:41
  And stuff. Good.
• 1:36:42
  I really enjoyed this actually Ocean like yeah, again, I just I
• 1:36:46
  I love. Very, very good.
• 1:36:47
  Side of writing like so it's it's all very engaging and then
• 1:36:51
  I've I learned I actually really enjoyed learning about like this
• 1:36:55
  Clark Stanley especially like Clark.
• 1:36:58
  Stanley, Really. Good, yeah, but yeah.
• 1:37:02
  It's I tend to not read it because I I like to hear yours
• 1:37:05
  like just told to me. I think it's really fun.
• 1:37:08
  Yeah, I really prefer like I'll read like, I'll skim it, but I
• 1:37:11
  prefer to like, yeah, it's. You have a really good way.
• 1:37:15
  Yeah, you have a really good way of telling it as well.
• 1:37:17
  And I like your voice. I skipped it.
• 1:37:19
  I skimmed it today after like I just looked up snake oil
• 1:37:23
  salesman and got absolutely bamboo.
• 1:37:25
  Yeah, it just Clark Stanley. I know what that kid had for
• 1:37:30
  breakfast on his 5th birthday, but yeah, no.
• 1:37:33
  I really enjoyed this episode and I can't wait to hear our
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  next episode of What the Fuck is Wrong with America.
• 1:37:40
  But for now, very excited this will do it.
• 1:37:43
  I've been justy. She's been Danny and leading the
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  pack. Today has been ushing.
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  And this podcast was produced by Alex Quinn.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for hanging out with us for a
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  spell. Goodbye.
• 1:37:59
  Bye bye.