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Hutton & Withrow: Lane Kiffin, LSU vs. SEC Showdown + Ranking the NFL’s Top 10 Coaches | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: Out of the gates on Sporting State, it is Hutton
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  Speaker 1: and Withrow presented by Hard Rock Bet. Roll with us.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you're with us as you roll out of bed
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  Speaker 1: this morning on this Thursday edition. A lot to get to.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the SEC's day in court, primary complaint, and much,
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  Speaker 1: much more, plus our Hard Rock Lock of the week. Chad,
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  Speaker 1: good morning. Hope things are well. Good morning, Hutton. Things
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  Speaker 1: are going well. Hope they are with you too. Yeah, man. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: SEC's day in court, Lane Kiffin and LSU's day in
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  Speaker 1: court as well. We'll see how things roll.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be an exciting day in the
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  Speaker 2: legal profession, that's for sure. Tom Mars is someone I've
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  Speaker 2: been following who's been all over this, who consistently has
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  Speaker 2: said that there is no judge in America based on precedent,
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  Speaker 2: and he was going back, I think, 40, 50 years
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  Speaker 2: of court rulings in Louisiana. He said it would take
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  Speaker 2: a judge to completely break precedent of not allowing an institution,
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  Speaker 2: a voluntary member of a group or an institution, to
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  Speaker 2: not allow that institution to levy their own penalties and enforce.
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  Speaker 1: Their own rules. I've used the HOA.
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  Speaker 2: Example before, and I think Tom Mars used that one
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  Speaker 2: as well, that when you sign on to that, that
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  Speaker 2: they have control of their rules and what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: And it just, it does not play out where LSU
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  Speaker 2: is going to win this court case. Now you've got,
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  Speaker 2: and I really get annoyed by this also, I hate
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  Speaker 2: to constantly be annoyed, but there's things I see online
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  Speaker 2: all the time that just annoy me. You've got attorney
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  Speaker 2: generals just throwing in their hat in the ring to
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  Speaker 2: get publicity. You've got the Georgia AG Chris Carr saying,
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  Speaker 2: kick their ass out of the SEC if they do this.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately.
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  Speaker 2: He said not even before Saturday that LSU should be
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  Speaker 2: an independent team, not in the SEC on Saturday morning
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  Speaker 2: if they have rostered those players immediately. at midnight for
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  Speaker 2: violating SEC rules.
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  Speaker 1: Don't they have to wait three days or something like
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  Speaker 1: that in order to play those players anyway? I was
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  Speaker 1: listening to the play-by-play voice of the Clemson Tigers who
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  Speaker 1: said it doesn't really matter for an LSU game either way.
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  Speaker 1: They won't be facing them.
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  Speaker 2: They have to give an official roster by midnight because
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  Speaker 2: the SEC injury report rules now. So it's like midnight
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  Speaker 2: Saturday morning, Friday night. They have to put in their
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  Speaker 2: roster for the game or the season– I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's for just this game or the entire season,
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  Speaker 2: but they have to submit something Friday night.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about– there's like a ramp-up.
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  Speaker 2: Period if you have a concussion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the rule if they can play on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday or not. I don't think he can play this
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  Speaker 1: week anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, though, the judgment day comes when they
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  Speaker 2: decide whether or not they're going to include them on
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  Speaker 2: the roster or not. Tom Mars argued that he thinks
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  Speaker 2: that eventually LSU is going to back out of this
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  Speaker 2: thing maybe even before it happens, that the players' attorneys
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  Speaker 2: have nothing.
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  Speaker 1: In this case against the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: Sporting State acquired the 79-page document that the SEC is filing. Clay,
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  Speaker 2: I did not read all 79 pages. Sorry to disappoint everyone.
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  Speaker 2: I read the summary of it. And essentially the summary
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  Speaker 2: is what they've been arguing publicly through the media is
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  Speaker 2: that there is no precedent for a conference or a
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  Speaker 2: league to not be able to levy penalties. These are
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  Speaker 2: penalties that have been illegal throughout time. In our conference,
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  Speaker 2: in our sport, and it can't be allowed here too,
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  Speaker 2: even if Louisiana says it, LSU is a voluntary member
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  Speaker 2: of the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Carr, the AG.
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  Speaker 2: In Georgia, he's saying, look, you can't violate willfully a
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  Speaker 2: league's rules to this extent and also receive the financial
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  Speaker 2: benefit of being in that league. So the recourse is
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  Speaker 2: to kick them out of the conference completely if they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be this willfully blind to the rules that
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  Speaker 2: are going on. Now you've got Attorney General Merrill of
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  Speaker 2: Louisiana firing back saying you shouldn't ask an institution to
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  Speaker 2: choose between the court and a conference.
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  Speaker 1: So it's unfair to ask them to do this.
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  Speaker 2: It feels to me, now, LSU is a perfect place
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  Speaker 2: to where if you want to go and break some rules,
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  Speaker 2: and get a little dirty and get a little bit messy,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like they're very welcoming to you at LSU.
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  Speaker 2: They have no problem with it as an institution. But
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  Speaker 2: it does seem to me at least a little bit
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  Speaker 2: like it's losing some steam from that side of it
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  Speaker 2: with Lane Kiffin, with the university, with everything else going on. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see today if this goes to court
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  Speaker 2: and what the judge rules and all of that, Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: But I just keep– this is three or four days
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  Speaker 2: now I just keep waiting– for LSU to release a
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  Speaker 2: statement that they're going to abide by SEC rules after
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  Speaker 2: further guidance and they're going to walk away from this.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think the reward is worth the risk
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  Speaker 2: at this point for the players we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Kiffin has said that they were awaiting further guidance.
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  Speaker 1: He has said that. And I would say to the
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General in Georgia, what rule has been broken to
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  Speaker 1: this point?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, none to this point. Yeah, the issue is
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  Speaker 2: they're saying we're trying to break the rule.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but he's saying they kicked them out before Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, for what exactly? What have they done?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's saying if they roster them Friday night, then
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  Speaker 2: you immediately boot them out of the league at that point,
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  Speaker 2: if they in fact do that. Look, the further guidance thing,
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  Speaker 2: I think, from Kiffin is him saying, we're waiting for
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  Speaker 2: further guidance from the court, that this lawsuit's going on,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to let it play out. If the court
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  Speaker 2: says they're eligible and the SEC can't penalize us, then
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  Speaker 2: we're playing them.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Reading the tea leaves there and saying that's
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  Speaker 1: what he's saying on that. Yes, that is what he's saying.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue that even if the court says, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to deny this injunction right now, or we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do this or that, we know that this
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  Speaker 2: is not going to be the last stop in a
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  Speaker 2: courtroom for this whole case. I would just simply ask,
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  Speaker 2: and I would ask LSU fans this also, and some
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  Speaker 2: have grown numb to this. Others continue to fight the
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  Speaker 2: good fight on behalf of their Tigers, right? I would
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  Speaker 2: ask the question, is the reward worth the risk at
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  Speaker 2: this point? Even if the court in this one instance says, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the SEC can't do anything against you right now. Do
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  Speaker 2: you want to continue going down this line? The risk
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  Speaker 2: of everything involved for these players, right? Now, Will Wade
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  Speaker 2: might be sitting there arguing, guys, I don't have a
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  Speaker 2: basketball team if we're not allowed to do this.
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  Speaker 1: LSU is going to have a football team.
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  Speaker 2: Whether these three players who have been there at practice
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  Speaker 2: and are practicing with the team right now that they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to add are there or not, their football team
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  Speaker 2: is going to be better with those three guys.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to be better to the extent that
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  Speaker 2: you risk what you're risking right now to roster those players?
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  Speaker 2: That's a question for LSU, right? Like if they want
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  Speaker 2: to be this defined, I mean, this is sort of
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  Speaker 2: the Al Davis of the SEC that we're looking at
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  Speaker 2: right now with Lane Kiffin and LSU.
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  Speaker 1: Do they want to continue going.
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  Speaker 2: Down this road, risk burning every bridge, risk all the
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  Speaker 2: possible ramifications in the future for these three players?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would say they will if the courts have
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  Speaker 1: their back. Yes. And if not, then we'll see them
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  Speaker 1: abide by the rules of the Southeastern Conference and, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: the rules of the court. It'll be the rules of
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  Speaker 1: the court, not the rules of the SEC that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to abide by either way, either one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other.
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  Speaker 2: We should also say now, and I noticed this in
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  Speaker 2: our mentions on a couple of clips, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are getting hung up over, a lot of LSU
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  Speaker 2: fans are saying, well, Alabama did it. Alabama did it.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't forfeit their whole season. I argued Alabama shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have been eligible for the NCAA tournament, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to stay consistent on this. If LSU plays these players
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday or whenever, if they play them against some
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  Speaker 2: lowly non-SEC team at some point, I think they should
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  Speaker 2: not be eligible for the college football playoff. The college
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  Speaker 2: football playoff is saying that. They're saying we will look
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  Speaker 2: at the possibility of ruling them ineligible because this goes
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  Speaker 2: against every rule of college football, right? I think the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA Tournament Selection Committee should have done that to Nate Oates,
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  Speaker 2: even though he got the injunction and then eventually he
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  Speaker 2: lost the injunction and Charles Bediako couldn't play. The SEC
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  Speaker 2: was consistent saying we're going to fight this. They even filed–
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  Speaker 2: I know Brooks Carter was telling us in the chat–
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  Speaker 2: The SEC and Greg Sankey filed some sort of court
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  Speaker 2: order against Alabama when this was going on. They were
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  Speaker 2: fighting it. They were just getting stopped by the court system.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about three versus one. LSU fans are like, well,
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  Speaker 2: was it okay for one to happen and three? None
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  Speaker 2: of it's okay. Greg Sankey's never said that any of
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  Speaker 2: it is okay. The NCAA is not saying we like
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  Speaker 2: this or it's okay. It's a separate group of judges
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  Speaker 2: all over the country that continue to overrule certain longstanding rules.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's another lawsuit in another state or another court,
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  Speaker 2: and then that one gets a temporary restraining order. Then
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  Speaker 2: there's another injunction file. It's just this domino effect of
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  Speaker 2: one court case after the next. And that's where we
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  Speaker 2: are here, Hutton, on a Thursday, where we're awaiting news
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  Speaker 2: of yet another court case where now the SEC gets
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  Speaker 2: to be heard. in their court case against LSU and
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  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do.
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  Speaker 1: This is why I can't wait for Saturday. I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait for tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sitting here looking at tonight's games and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Hutton, I've never been more excited about UMass
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  Speaker 2: and Rutgers than I am right now.
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  Speaker 1: UMass and Rutgers at five o'clock central time on Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten Network.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I'm going to be at a volleyball game at
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  Speaker 2: that time, but you damn well better know that I'll
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  Speaker 2: be there for the second half in New Jersey to
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  Speaker 2: watch UMass and Rutgers. I'll probably bet on it too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, you know, it's.
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  Speaker 2: 29 and a half Rutgers favorite in that game. I
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: got a hard time believing Rutgers is going to beat
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  Speaker 2: UMass by 30 points in this game from what I
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  Speaker 2: know about Rutgers, but I'm just, I'm excited for football
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  Speaker 2: to be kicked off and for us to not talk
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  Speaker 2: about this, but this is going to be the conversation
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  Speaker 2: all day.
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  Speaker 1: Saturday, whether they back down or whether they play these guys.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be the College Game Day discussion
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  Speaker 1: and everything else. I'm eager to see how College Game
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  Speaker 1: Day handles it with their boy Lane, the boy Lane trade.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: What's Jimmy Sexton advising? Jimmy Sexton, who we ran into
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  Speaker 1: at Craig's one night, a very nice man, and talked
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  Speaker 1: to him. Great dude. Love having conversations with Jimmy Sexton.
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  Speaker 1: He is the king of college football coaches. What are
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  Speaker 1: they going to say? Nobody says anything bad about any
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  Speaker 1: coach because every coach is represented by Jimmy Sexton. Last
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  Speaker 1: year we saw on College Game Day, whenever Lane Kiffin's
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: making the flip from Ole Miss to LSU, not one
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  Speaker 1: bad thing was said. To the point where ESPN didn't
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  Speaker 1: even have Lane on the show Not because Kiffin said no. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to. He wanted to come on during the
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  Speaker 1: college football playoff ramp-up, all that. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have him on because it would have been
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  Speaker 1: too positive. It would have been too positive for the
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: lane train. I know.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny last year. They were basically just screaming,
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  Speaker 2: let him in, let him in, let him coach.
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  Speaker 1: Let him in and let him play. Let him coach.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be about the players, right? It's got
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  Speaker 2: to be about the kids. They're just kids, guys. It's
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  Speaker 2: got to be about the kids. Let those kids play
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  Speaker 2: for their coach. Hilarious, too.
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  Speaker 1: Let him see this through. I keep going back to.
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin going to his leadership council and saying, guys,
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  Speaker 2: he's like walking in handcuffed. My hands are cuffed here.
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  Speaker 2: They're tied. The kids want these pros. They want the
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  Speaker 2: experience of playing with these NFL players. I asked my
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  Speaker 2: leadership council... And they said yes.
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  Speaker 1: Daddy, play them. Please. We want to be better. We
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  Speaker 1: want to be better for you, Daddy Lane. Speaking of
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  Speaker 1: Daddy Lane.
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  Speaker 2: Hutton, have you happened to see the excerpts from the
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  Speaker 2: Vanity Fair story on Lane Kiffin?
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  Speaker 1: No. That was published? No.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say no mystery to anyone who knows the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: Every single detail about Innisfree, about everything in Alabama, was
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  Speaker 2: written about in this story to the point that Nick Saban–
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  Speaker 2: They get into detail about basically Lane Kiffin. We bang
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: hats on this show, so I'll go ahead and say
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  Speaker 2: this word. He banged the wrong person at Alabama. Some
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: affluent Alabama person, he banged. And this is the one
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: straw that broke Nick Saban's back with him that he
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  Speaker 2: got irate about. with Lane Kiffin overdoing this thing, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was. They didn't mention the woman who it was,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: but whatever he did. And that when Ole Miss or
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  Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic at the time, when anybody was coming to
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban about hiring Lane Kiffin, he would tell the school,
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  Speaker 2: Lane's a good coach. You have to keep him away
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  Speaker 2: from the college girls, saying you have to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that he's only with girls who have graduated from college
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  Speaker 2: the entire time. Keep him away from sorority houses. Keep
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  Speaker 2: him away from college girls.
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  Speaker 1: Keep him away. It's, it's a long, it's a big story.
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  Speaker 2: I read it, but I'm, but like everybody, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody who covers the SEC is like, yeah, this is,
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  Speaker 2: this is no surprise, right?
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  Speaker 1: No one's like, oh my gosh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is like, it's, it's been long. No, but there
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  Speaker 2: are specific stories about Innisfree that I know you and
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  Speaker 2: I had heard never discussed on air fully, but now
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  Speaker 2: they're all out there at Vanity Fair about Lane Kiffin too.
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  Speaker 2: But I just keep going back to Lane Kiffin is
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  Speaker 2: a narcissistic robot sent here to To win football games.
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  Speaker 2: His goal is to win a national title. He does
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  Speaker 2: not care about your feelings. He does not care about
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  Speaker 2: individual humans on his team. They are all chess pieces
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  Speaker 2: on a giant chess board for a coach trying to
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  Speaker 2: win the ultimate prize. And he is trying to put
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: those pieces in position to succeed. Their success is his success,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: so he wants them to succeed. I'm not saying he's
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: outright trying to get his guys to fail or wants
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: them to not do well. It's all success for them,
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  Speaker 2: but it's all about him, too. It's not about anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I know that Tom Mars is more likely to
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  Speaker 1: be correct based on his law analysis here, but what
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  Speaker 1: if this goes LSU's way? Does it go the way
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: of the On 3 headlines? that says, new, several SEC
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  Speaker 1: programs are exploring adding former NFL players and 2022 recruits
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the season, despite the focus on LSU. This
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  Speaker 1: according to Pete Nacos.
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  Speaker 2: Who are the teams? I'm asking this to Pete Nacos.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a subscription, so I hit it and
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I hit a paywall.
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  Speaker 1: Me too.
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  Speaker 2: Normally on those stories, everyone starts to go and post
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: what he said below the comments and they zap those.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to pay for the story. But several
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: SEC programs means more than two, is what I would say.
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  Speaker 1: And regardless of who the teams are, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: are we about to see the floodgates open if, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: this goes the opposite way today? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds like yes. I don't think On3 would
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  Speaker 1: publish that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think On3 would publish that, but also Pete
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  Speaker 2: Nacos is a good reporter. I think there's a difference
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  Speaker 2: between there are several schools who are looking into the
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  Speaker 2: possibility who have explored that path. I think probably almost
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  Speaker 2: all of them. When LSU started going down this road
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  Speaker 2: and it started to happen, I think all of them
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: went down this path. I would still be shocked if
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: someone else jumped into the mix given the heavy rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: of the SEC right now. It's one thing to be
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  Speaker 2: exploring it. It's another thing to actually do it given
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: what the SEC has done. Given those 79 pages of
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  Speaker 2: documents they filed in a court about what they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do to LSU if they do that. I'm not
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: denying the Pete Nacos report. I'd like to know specifically who,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: which I don't think is referenced in that. I want
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: to know what programs are doing it, not just the several.
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  Speaker 2: And I still have a hard time believing that they're
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  Speaker 2: actually going to go through with it. given how hard
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  Speaker 2: of a stance the SEC has taken.
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  Speaker 1: Could be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: We could be having half the league being kicked out,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to bring on Kansas and all these others,
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  Speaker 2: and Iowa State into the SEC once they remove all
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  Speaker 2: the schools that do this. But I believe this is
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  Speaker 2: still an LSU versus the SEC issue.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see. We'll see if that report comes true.
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• 18:57
  Speaker 2: The chat's firing off early and often right now. David
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: in the chat is asking, what about the women soccer
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: players at LSU that have already.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Been playing games? There you go. No one cares. That
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: are professionals.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: If the SEC wins in court, they're going to be
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: made ineligible and will have to leave the team or
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: stop playing. They'll probably have to forfeit the games they're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: playing in. I'll also say that no one's going to
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: kick LSU out of the Southeastern Conference over a women's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: soccer situation. The only situation worthy of kicking someone out
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: of a conference is if you do something that violates
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a football code in some way to the SEC.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And the rest of the conference is mad at you.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: That's the one sport that rises to the level of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: possible dismissal.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: To the SEC. Well, that spits in the face of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: what the Attorney General in Georgia is doing there, what
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he's saying.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the Attorney General of Georgia, I think, on
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: week about football, too, is my point. It's the football
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: team that's going to get the most eyeballs. Quite the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: revelation there on Lane Train.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, quite the revelation on Lane Train?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's more about Kiffin than it is LSU football. Yeah, well,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it's more about football. Is my point. I think if
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Kiffin was not there, if Brian Kelly were there, yeah, sure.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: But I think it's also about the coach as much
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: as it is the program. If this were at Vanderbilt,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many people, I'm not sure if
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: we'd hear this from Georgia. Yeah, I don't know. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: think the two go hand in hand, though.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know another coach or school pairing both of
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: them together that would back this to the level that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: LSU has.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: With Lane Kiffin. But if this were Vanderbilt and Pavia,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: if this were Vanderbilt and Pavia, let's just use Diego,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: because Vanderbilt would absolutely have done this for Diego Pavia.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure we'd have the Attorney General of Georgia
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: saying this about Vanderbilt football.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think Vanderbilt, the university, or Clark Lee would
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: have played Diego Pavia if the SEC was threatening to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I just don't think... I don't think any other coach
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: would continue to go down this road. I guess my
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: point is they got the TRO. They had the TRO
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: last year on behalf of Diego, but it never got
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to this point of the SEC threatening to kick Vanderbilt
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: out like they are LSU because of Kiffin. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Again, it's all about signing the NFL contract and playing
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: some time in the NFL and then coming back that they're.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Trying to stop.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: But I don't believe– I'm thinking of the SEC coaches.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I can't think of a single coach that would– defy
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the conference at this level.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: He's Al Davis.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's his former employer when it comes to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: thumbing his nose at authority and Greg Sankey and the SEC.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And we'll see. We'll see if he is because, again,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: as of right now, what have they done that has
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: warranted being kicked out as of this exact moment? It's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: all threats.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's all threats right now. They're all empty
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: threats if it goes away today. Yeah, no one's done
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a thing yet that would warrant any type of punishment.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But if those dudes go and play on Saturday or play.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Next week and the SEC continues.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: To say this, then something's going to happen or this
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: thing's going to go to the dadgum Supreme Court and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: then LSU's going to get a favorable ruling and the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: SEC can't do anything.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It is an interesting question, though, by David in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: chat because what the SEC voted on and what they
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: put out last week didn't just mention football. It specifically
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: mentioned other sports. Yeah. They went to that length. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: if LSU's already doing it, if they're already rostering and playing,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: then they're already doing exactly what the Attorney General in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Georgia is complaining about. Maybe that's what he's saying. He's like, hey,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and kick them out now before they
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: even have a chance to say yes or no.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's so much Lane Kiffin news coming out yesterday.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to sift through all of it. One report
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: is that Lane Kiffin and his staff had been ratting
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: out Ole Miss about tampering. They'd been talking to Dabo
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and Clemson. to try to nail Ole Miss because what Lane.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: What give of that?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I know this personal psychology well. Anyone can understand it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: What Lane Kiffin wants more than anything is for Ole
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Miss to fail after he left, after they didn't allow
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: him to coach the playoff.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The last thing he wants is for Pete Golding to
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: look good and for Ole Miss to keep rolling right
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: along without Lane Kiffin.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The minute he left, yeah.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Because that would invalidate him, right? That would say, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: was the only guy who could ever win at Ole Miss.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: If somebody else continues to win for the next few years–
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's going to make Lane Kiffin look worse.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So Lane Kiffin is in cahoots with Clemson.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And Dabo Sweeney to nail Pete Golding and Ole Miss
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on this tampering charge in the NCAA.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I sent this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So Walker Jones of the Grove Collective is going to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: join our show tomorrow. He's going to be the third
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: guest in our show's history. They play Louisville and Nashville
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: this Sunday. I sent this to Walker Jones, and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: was like, we have to ask you about this. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Walker was like, I mean, this is– Basically, his response was,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this is low and new even for what we've seen
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in the past with Lane. But he did say, he's like,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: can we please not spend the entire interview with me
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: answering questions about Lane Kiffin?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And I was like, absolutely.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But we are going to ask you about Lane Kiffin,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you know, once or twice to get your thoughts on this.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And then we will talk about Ole Miss. Damn right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: But I think, Hunt, I only say that because that's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the feeling with most Ole Miss people. But it's also
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: like the ex-girlfriend you can't quit. That was, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that was very hot. Like that's Lane Kiffin to Ole
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Miss also. There's a little bit of tug of war.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And even Lane Kiffin going to Clemson and saying this stuff,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it's like it's both ways. Like I want to make
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: sure they fail. Sure, I want to win at my
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: job right now if you're Lane Kiffin. But you're also
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: doing these little back channel things to hurt Ole Miss.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It's wild where we are right now. I'm ready for
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the football to be kicked out. Why is he the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: only coach anyone ever talks about? And I'm not talking
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: about because of the salacious stuff. I'm talking about can
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin quit what he's doing and come join our program?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: What has Lane Kiffin done except leave programs high and dry? Oh,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he's– I mean, I think, look,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: LSU should be a destination spot.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, like there should be no one else. There's a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: lot of Alabama fans, some in our chat, who have
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: said Alabama even, the moment that– They fire Caleb DeBoer,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: let's say.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Lane Kiffin's going to flirt with Alabama. Yes, he is.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: He's going to start talking about, you know, I spent
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: some of the greatest years of my life.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: There at Innisfree and with Coach Saban, and I really
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: need to get back. I've got to go see Tripp.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I've got to go see Tripp down at Innisfree.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's an amazing time to be alive, and I just
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: want to really recapture that part of my life. So
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to consider the great Alabama Crimson.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Tide, the job. It's going to be this cycle again.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: all over again.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know that Lane Kivitt's ever going to be
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: content or happy at any one place. I mean, I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: don't know how you would be anything but thrilled with
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the level of support you've been given right now at LSU.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: They are backing you to the hilt. They are ready
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to die in the.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: SEC, to be kicked out of the conference, to support
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you and three players, to see to it that you
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: get everything you need. So it's I think right now, Hutton,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to answer your question, he's the hot name. This is
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the story cycle. Now all this other stuff is coming out.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That college game day from Baton Rouge is going to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be all about Lane Kiffin and NFL players coming back
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to college. And I think the games fall by the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: wayside until foot goes to pigskin and we start playing
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: actual football on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Just missing out on this week's top 10 for top
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: 10 head coaches. This is my honorable mention, Chad. Okay.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: D'Amico Ryans, head coach of Houston, Texas. I think he's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: right there on the fringe. Kevin O'Connell, head coach of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. And Kevin Stefanski, the new head coach
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Falcons. Of course, formerly two-time coach of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the year of the Cleveland Browns. I do not have
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a two-time coach of the year in my top ten
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: right now. Kevin Stefanski, Hutton, I love that you bring
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that name up.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Because you say it, and I'm like, yeah, of course.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: He should be under consideration. Didn't give it a thought.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's one of those guys, too. We were talking about it,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and you sent me your list.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, looks good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I wasn't immediately pining for Kevin Stefanski either. I wasn't saying,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: where's Stefanski on this list?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you not include Stefanski?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But it's a great example of pretty good coaches in
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the NFL that are not in.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: The top 10. Very good top half of coaches in
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the NFL is what I'll say. I'll say the bottom
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: half of the 32, they're pretty much all the same.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And then you really have the who's, the haves and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the have-nots, the who's who of the NFL. Number 10,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. Michael Vrabel, head coach of the New England Patriots.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He's taken the course of the Patriots to a Super Bowl.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: He took the Tennessee Titans to an AFC championship game
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: during his time. Chad, I think he does a fantastic
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: job of rallying the troops when he arrives. You want
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a culture change, you hire Mike Vrabel. There is a...
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: There is something about him, though, that I do think
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: is almost too alpha for the long-term approach. However, in
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: New England, he has the power. He handed that power
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to Diana Rossini recently, I'm eager to see what happens
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in the second go-around because I would have had Vrabel,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the second go-around of the Patriots, I'm saying, after the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: finish runner-up of the Super Bowl, because I would have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had Vrabel a bit higher, not that much higher in
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: my top 10, but he sits at number 10 overall
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: because of the off-season crap.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Diana has the power also. If we're talking about
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: somebody who has the power, she definitely has.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: The power in that, no doubt about it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I do wonder, Hutton, and you said you've got to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: factor in the offseason and what that means for him now.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I also laugh because you say he's too alpha maybe
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: for it to work out long-term in one place.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And that was also the argument that Diana Rossini made
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: as to why he didn't get a job right when
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he got fired from the Titans, right? He's just too
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: big and imposing and threatening when he's in a room
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: with these owners. And they're really thrown off by how
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: scared they are of Mike Vrabel. But hearing her talk
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: about it then, it all makes sense. When she's like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you know, just big, muscular build, giant hands.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Great voice. You know, it's really scary for these NFL owners.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Just so handsome. Yeah, I think the offseason that he's.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Had probably, for me, moves him down three, four spots
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: on the list where he's borderline top five. You know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: getting the Patriots the Super Bowl this past year and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: then what he did with the Titans. Like, I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: 10's the appropriate spot because I think everything that's gone
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: on now, it's knocked him down four or five places
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: on this list probably.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Right in front of him is Matt LaFleur, head coach
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers. LaFleur, he interviewed for Vrabel's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: job in Tennessee. He interviewed for the head coaching position,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: ends up being his offensive coordinator for one year. Wasn't
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that great of a year on paper, but they end
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: up becoming a team that's on the rise. And LaFleur,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: who I didn't think was going to interview that well,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Turns out he interviews just fine, even though in person
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: he's kind of just quirky. And that's because he interviewed
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: well with the Titans, ends up getting the OC job.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Whenever Ryan Day becomes the coach-in-waiting at Ohio State, he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: no longer the offensive coordinator for Vrabel. That's what Vrabel
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was pitching in his interview with the Titans. So he
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: needs an OC. John Robinson says, hey, check out LeFleur.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: They pair up. LeFleur then becomes the head coach of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. And since then, his winning percentage
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is through the roof.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Hutton, you have to share, because this is all I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: think about when I hear the name LeFleur.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I think of two things.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I think of LeFleur from Dodgeball, Vince Vaughn's character, LeFleur.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: And I think of the story of playing the football
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: game in London where he's greeted.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: By a Titan staffer.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: His response, please share this. You don't have to share
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the staffer's name, but someone just like seeing a coach
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and like any person would respond with, you know, Hey,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: how's it going? Uh, and, and LaFleur's response when he
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: was greeted with a, Hey, how's it going? After a close,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: was it overtime loss?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Overtime loss. Overtime loss to the Chargers in London. Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So the Titans are, we're, we're boarding the flight back to, uh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: back to Nashville from London right after the game. And, uh,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Matt's a very quiet dude anyway. Very keeps to himself. Again,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it kind of just kind of, you're like, this guy
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't really like to speak very much anyway. And, uh,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you know, he's pissed off because the Titans lost on, uh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: they ended up going for two, I believe. Um, uh, and, uh, whatever,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: whatever they called didn't work, didn't work. So the chargers win,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the chargers win the game. It's a long flight back.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's a long flight back anyway. But, um, As we're boarding,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm right behind LeFleur, and there's this woman who's just
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: a sweetheart of a woman. A total sweetheart. Who works
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: for the Titans. And turns around and just making small talk.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Was like, hey, oh, hey, Hutt. I'm like, oh, hey,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: how are you? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then LeFleur's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: right in front of me, just pissed off. Just pissed off.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And how are you, coach? How the F do you
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: think I am? Ha, ha, ha, ha. And you would
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: have just watched this woman shrivel up like she's going
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to be fired. So good. How the F do you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: think I am? And this woman thought she was going
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to be fired. I'm like, everything's going to be fine.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with you. It's just they've lost.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: They went for two and lost and he's pissed off.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: That's the life of the NFL. Everybody was walking on
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: eggshells then, Chad, within the organization.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's keep in mind, too, this was a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: time where they didn't really have to walk on eggshells
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: at all times.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And this was a totally harmless interaction, no big deal
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: at all. I hear that and I just laugh and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: think that, yeah, that's probably how a lot of coaches
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: interact with them in that moment.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even yelling. It was kind of like a smirk, like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: how the F do you think I am?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you know, we can get bad news and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: say that to someone who asks almost in a joking.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Way, like, what do you mean? How am I right now?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Totally innocent, honestly. By the way, Chad, Chad, I remember
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, because I'm behind him, going, hmm, hmm,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: got a point. He's got a point. Fair point.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I would feel a little bit bad about that game, too. Yeah, no, look,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: it's totally harmless. I think it's fine for LeFleur, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it's fine for the staffer also. When you look back,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: it's really funny. to think about the interaction. It's also
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: true that if this were going on now.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: She probably would be fired.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Titans are revoking media credentials right now
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: of someone who's crossed them. I guarantee you, she'd have
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a reason to be worried about getting fired in that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: moment if this happened now.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Would this mean I'm getting a promotion for telling a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: story about something that happened to the team playing?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I want to make clear, Hutton is no longer in
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the employ of the Tennessee Titans football organization, and he was.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: At this point.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: This also, I believe, was a story that was not
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: told on the plane. It was told outside of the plane.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: We were right on the tarmac, about to go up
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the steps to the plane. Tarmac, fair game, talking about
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: stuff on the plane, especially publicly, not always fair. Chad,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I'll get promoted, though. There's a precedent now. I'll get promoted. Yeah. Congratulations, Hutton.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: You're back. You're back with the Titans after telling that story.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: They welcome you back with open arms. Number eight on
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: my list of top ten, our depth chart for Hutton
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and Withrow. Number eight, Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh, the head
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: coach of the Chargers, which is the franchise that Diana
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Rossini reported Mike Vrabel was too alpha for. They have
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: hired Jim Harbaugh. And what does Harbaugh do? He wins.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: He wins games. He comes in and there is a
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: distinct culture with Jim Harbaugh. You're going to be gritty.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: You're going to be tough in the trenches. You're going
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to run the football very well. Players love the guy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why or how, Chad. I don't get it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's just weird. And by the way, speaking
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of Kiffin, he is rules be damned just as much
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: as Lane Kiffin is. He doesn't care what he did.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Look the way he left Michigan. Look at the way
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that the whole Connor Stallions thing went down. I mean,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald at one point was his defensive coordinator in Michigan.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And everybody wins if you touch the cloak of Harbaugh
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: because you get out of town before things get really,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: really bad. I'm not saying that's the case right now
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles because the Chargers have a pretty good
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: football team. They're building it his way. And he's one
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: of the top 10 best coaches in the NFL. Could
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: be higher on this list, but there's some really good
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: names ahead of him. Dan Campbell is ahead of him.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: What Dan Campbell's done for the Detroit Lions, Chad. Yes.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It's hard to argue that Dan Campbell is not ahead
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of the coaches that we've mentioned. Well, it's Dan Campbell.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: You got Dan Campbell at eight. Harbaugh, nine. Campbell, eight.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's at seven. Harbaugh, eight. Sorry, Harbaugh, eight. LaFleur, nine.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And Rabel's ten.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I ask that because you've referenced, we've got three guys
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: down in a row, Mike Vrabel, not in a row,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: LeFleur broke them up, Vrabel, Harbaugh, and then Dan Campbell.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: All three of those guys, you talk about Vrabel being
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: an alpha, all those guys, you know this with football guys,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: those are the dudes you have to brace yourself for
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: when you go shake their hand. If you get the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: half bro hug from them, they might crack a vertebrae
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: as they smack you in the back. All three of
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: those guys are dudes like that. They give the real
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: firm handshake. When you see him, I kind of associate
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: all three of them with that alpha football guy mentality.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh certainly being one of those two. Harbaugh's going to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: look at you like a serial killer. He's going to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: look at you wearing glasses that are as thick as
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: an old school Coke bottle. That thick of glass while
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he squeezes your hand and tries to break your hand
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in half. And he's got a warm milk in the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: other hand.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: He's just slowly sipping the warm milk while staring you
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: in the eyes trying to get a read on you. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like Jim Harbaugh has a milk mustache half
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the day when he's around the office. That's all he
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: does is drink whole milk, too. None of this skim stuff.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: All the fat in it, that's how he's been raised.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: That's how he does it. That's Jim Harbaugh for you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Whole milk guy. We'll see what happens in New York,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: but his brother, John Harbaugh, comes in at number six
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: for us. Just outside of the top five because he's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, because of the consistency in Baltimore,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: because of the... the identity that he brings with the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: teams that he coaches. We'll see what he brings with
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: him to New York, but for right now, John Harbaugh
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: remains high atop the list of best coaches in the NFL.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: In fact, and you could say this about Robert Sala,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I guess, and in fact, I would argue you could,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: but whenever coaches were hired this offseason, there were plenty
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of them, plenty of coaches, first-year head coaches and second-time
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: head coaches. Here's one of them. and before there's even
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a team meeting, players know the expectation and what they're
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: getting in their coach. I think there's only two of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: them you could say that for. Maybe three if you
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: want to count Mike McCarthy, but I don't know how
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: many players today know about Mike McCarthy, the head coach,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: like they do John Harbaugh, the head coach in Baltimore,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: or even Sala, the type of coach that he was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: going to be. So I think that's benefit to John
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh and the Giants. We'll see how that works out
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: with Jackson Dart and company, but John Harbaugh, Right there
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: on the fringe of being top five, Jack.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: To me, far and away the best hire of this
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: past offseason, just given his track record, his accomplishments. It's
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a Giants organization that works so well when they have
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that steady hand.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You know, when I think about the Giants, Hutton, I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: think about professionalism.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You know, oftentimes the Mara family, like it's the buttoned
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: up version of the Jets in that New York City area, right?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Like they're the ones that it's kind of the white
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: collar version to the blue collar.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: New York Jets approach.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And I think John Harbaugh fits that perfectly in what
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: he stands for and him being the figurehead of your organization.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's perfectly lockstep with what the Giants have
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: been at their best. Makes total sense for them. He
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: was my favorite hire this past offseason. I love where
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you have him on this list.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Michigan tie-in. Mike McDonald cracks the top five after winning
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with the Seattle Seahawks. He gets his
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: opportunity as a head coach after being a solid defensive coordinator.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Lands in Seattle and is just himself. You can tell
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: based on Hard Knocks. I'm actually watching Hard Knocks again.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Me too. I found myself watching this again. I had
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: phased out of it. I'd really fallen out of love
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: with the show. You know, like the behind-the-scenes thing. I
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: thought it was very routine, very repetitive. This one was different.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Because of Mike McDonald. Really, the first speech that he
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: gave was like, hey, about this Hard Knocks thing. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: know what? This is us. We get a chance to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: be individuals and show our personality. That's what you want
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: in this league. In a league full of everybody's exactly
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the same, everybody marches to the same beat of the shield.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: While the Seahawks can certainly do that, he allows his
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: players to be individuals and have some personality and play loose.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And that has led the Seattle Seahawks to a Super
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Bowl world title. that means he's cracked the top five
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: in Mike McDonald. I'm a big fan of his.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I love Mike McDonald on Hard Knocks. I love him
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: as a coach, young coach also. You realize how young
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: he is when you see in Hard Knocks that he's
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: got a newborn out there as well. You wouldn't think
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: about that with an older NFL head coach.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I love the moment.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's the start of, I think, episode three of the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: series where the guy they just signed, you might have
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to tell me what his name, the guy they just
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: signed that wears the short shorts. Really good edge rusher, linebacker.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: He gets close to Sam Darnold once, and he's too close.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He's too effing close. You've got to get away from
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: him where he's getting close to his legs.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Does it again. He's like, get him out. Get him out.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He's too close. Too close.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And the dude's over there complaining and talking trash about
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the coach and getting him out on the side.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And he's walking down the sideline.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: He's saying, you can sit over there and bitch all
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you want, but it turns out I'm running effing practice.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'm running this effing practice. So you sit over there
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and bitch all you want. I'm thinking, yes, this is
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: my type of dude. I've wanted to scream that at
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: travel softball tournaments before with 10-year softball players or at practice.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Hey, sit over there and complain all you want.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I hear you're talking, but it turns out I'm running
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: this practice tonight or I'm running this game.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Love that from Mike McDonald.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: It shows that openness that you want in a coach
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: that you're working with professionals that you can approach and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: talk to a man-to-man, but also... Very alpha in those
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: moments where he needs to be.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: So I think he strikes the right balance. There are
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: popular first names if you're a head coach in the NFL.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Mike is the most popular. Mike is the most popular.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Sean is the most popular if you want to be
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: top five because Sean Payton is number four on our
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: list of the best NFL coaches for 2026. Sean Payton,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: head coach of the Denver Broncos. JT's Denver Broncos. JT,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: do you have any... Do you have any bad things
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to say about your coach, Sean Payton? You know, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like the game, they sort of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: remind me of the Titans.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Like there's games that you're like, I feel good about
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: this one on Friday going into Sunday.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And then Sunday at 7.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: O'clock rolls around and you go, what the hell just happened?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: But then some of those games that you're like, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: don't know. This one's going to be tough.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: They end up winning.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you said pick somebody else in this
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: list that you'd rather have, there's a couple of guys maybe.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But I'm happy with him. They're probably ahead of him.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: JT just gave the best compliment the Titans have received
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: in years by comparing the Denver Broncos organization.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: To the Titans. The Titans over there, if they're watching
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: this show, are like, yes. Yes, yes, we're back. JT,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: great call. We're back.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, can we give Jared Stillman's media credential to JT?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Can you just put Jordan Tinkle, Sporting State, on there?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Because this guy gets it. He just said the Denver
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Broncos are very much like the Tennessee Titans.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Finally, somebody gets an organization. Yeah, that's journalism with a
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: capital J right there. That's right. That's right. You're welcome.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You're in. You're in. You can even fly on the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: team flights, JT. You got this. Sean Payton, Chad, for me,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: number four, top five. He gets results, man. He knows
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: how to win. One of the best offensive minds going.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And what he's done for an organization that needed a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: kick in the ass. He came in and changed things
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and brought things in his way. He had to do
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it with the general manager for a bit, not for
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: very long. Now he's in charge.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, I think, a no-brainer with that one. He's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: always getting it done. I just had my coffee exchanged, Tutton,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: so I'm good to go now. I'm on Crockett Coffee
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: number two right now, so here we go.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Number three, Kyle Shanahan, period. Period. one of the top
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL year in and year out. And
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: what they're able to do in San Francisco, Chad, despite
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: all the injuries that they go through, year after year,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: they are the most injury-riddled franchise of this era. They
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: get hurt all the time. And they've done it with Mr.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Irrelevant at quarterback that just runs the offense. Knows the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: offense through and through. Is perfect for Kyle Shanahan's group.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And They can run the football. He turns shifty wide
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: receivers into number one paid wide outs across the league.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: If you're not happy with him, he just trades you away.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: They'll plug and play again. He takes third and fourth
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: round picks and makes them look like first round picks.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Just a solid overall coach. That's what you want in
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: your organization.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I think beyond solid, honestly, I think if he wins
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: one of those Super Bowls that he's been to, he's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: number one on this list. Because the way he's done
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it offensively without a Hall of Fame quarterback, without even really,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I think, a top half in the NFL quarterback from
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: a talent standpoint.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Is remarkable. I love this dude. I think he's great.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And again, I know why he's not number one.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: If he gets one of those Super Bowls that he's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: played in, I would make the argument he's number one
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: on this list in the NFL.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Number two is the man where you touch the cloak
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and you become the hottest thing going across the NFL.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: The coat of any colors belongs to Sean McVay. Sean
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: McVay is number two on our list, and Andy Reid
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: tops him at number one for the greatness in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: dynasty that is the Kansas City Chiefs. Jad, I think
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: number one and number two are no-brainers. And just recapping
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the depth chart, the top ten NFL coaches, number ten,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. Number nine, Matt LaFleur for the Green Bay Packers.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Number eight from the Chargers, Jim Harbaugh. Dan Campbell from
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the Lions at number seven. John Harbaugh, the new coach
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: for the New York football Giants at number six. Our
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: top five, Mike McDonald is at number five. Sean Payton
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: is at number four. Kyle Shanahan comes in at three.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay at number two. And Andy Football-Reed at number one.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Let me retract my previous statement and say if Kyle
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Shanahan had won a Super Bowl, he would be number
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: two on the list because I was not factoring in
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid, who, yes, is absolutely the no-brainer number one.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: But I would flip McVay-Shanahan if— that' s the right order because
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: McVay's won one.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I think McVay might win a second one this year also.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But— That's how good Kyle Shanahan is. That's how good
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that list is. I love it. That's a good one.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I think when you threw it to me, the one
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: thing I was like maybe at the time swapping the Harbaughs.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: That's all we did was flip up the Harbaughs. We
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: flipped Harbaughs. I think your initial one, we were right
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: on the same path. You had Jim at six and
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: John at eight. And I said flip the Harbaughs and
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: we're good. And now John at six, Jim at eight.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And I think Mike McDonald is going to be the
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: steady climber on this one. He's the guy, I believe,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: with the most upward mobility for an NFL coach is
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: what he was able to do with that Seahawks team.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: And credit him, he's a defensive guy, and the defense
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: was obviously outstanding.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Should be again this year.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: But what he was able to do with that team
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and Sam Darnold, who's been written off. multiple times NFL
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: remarkable in one year with the Seahawks again honorable.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Mention D'Amico Ryan's head coach of the Houston Texans just
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: missed our top 10 also Kevin O'Connell up in Minnesota
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: just outside the top 10 for us And Kevin Stefanski, yes,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the two-time Coach of the Year Kevin Stefanski, not in
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: this top 10 for Hutton and Withrow. You can complain
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: about that if you want to. You can make it
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: your primary complaint. Primary complaint next here on Hutton and Withrow.
• 49:48
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