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Ep. 199 - Mining Nuggets of Wisdom From the Book of Proverbs · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Emeal Zwayne: So, so, guys, let me read some of my favorites and then you guys can throw in some of yours and you go ahead and go first.
• 1:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 24, 30 to 34.
• 1:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I went by the field, by the way.
• 1:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Friends, those of you listening for the first time, this is what my wonderful friends do Anytime I give a reference, to pretend they know what it is Pretend.
• 1:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs what's Proverbs 24, 30 to 34?
• 1:27
  Ray Comfort: I went to the field with the slugger slugger and I looked and I learned a lesson from slugging.
• 1:32
  Oscar Navarro: I got a quote from Spurgeon you already had it in front of you.
• 1:34
  Ray Comfort: No, no no, no problem.
• 1:35
  Ray Comfort: This is what Spurgeon said.
• 1:36
  Ray Comfort: The book of Proverbs deals very hard blows against sluggards, and Christian ministers do well frequently to announce the great sin of idleness, which is the mother of a huge family of sins.
• 1:47
  Ray Comfort: And it's so true.
• 1:49
  Ray Comfort: You know, you hardly ever hear anyone say idleness is a sin, except in the Bible.
• 1:54
  Ray Comfort: But it certainly is.
• 1:55
  Ray Comfort: Get yourself busy, and when you're rowing you won't fight with other people because you've got the boat in a certain direction.
• 2:07
  Emeal Zwayne: All of us seem to have a very profound and deep affection for certain kinds of people in this world.
• 2:15
  Emeal Zwayne: I happen to have that sentiment for Dumbo head criminals.
• 2:20
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys know what I'm talking about.
• 2:22
  Emeal Zwayne: You've seen.
• 2:23
  Ray Comfort: You've seen those videos Guys get trapped in the roof, but they're fucking things like that.
• 2:27
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, people that try to hold up police stations.
• 2:30
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, yeah, the guy who put lemon on his face because he thought he wouldn't be seen on camera.
• 2:35
  Mark Spence: You know that's real.
• 2:36
  Oscar Navarro: Stop, yeah, he.
• 2:38
  Oscar Navarro: This is a true story.
• 2:39
  Oscar Navarro: The guy put lemon all over his face and he walked into a bank trying to rob it because he thought the cameras wouldn't be be able to see him because he had lemon on his face.
• 2:49
  Oscar Navarro: And when the cops found him and arrested him, they're like what were you thinking?
• 2:52
  Oscar Navarro: He said.
• 2:52
  Oscar Navarro: Well, when I was a kid, we used to write notes to each other using lemon.
• 2:56
  Oscar Navarro: Oh you couldn't see it, yeah, and so he thought it made your face invincible.
• 3:00
  Oscar Navarro: That's a real Wow.
• 3:02
  Mark Spence: I'm waiting for the dad joke I know, I know dad joke, that's exactly what I thought.
• 3:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm like okay, there's a dad joke it made his brain invisible.
• 3:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I mean we've had right, we've had people try to cash our bills.
• 3:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Deposit them.
• 3:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, he's Interested.
• 3:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so I came across these.
• 3:20
  Emeal Zwayne: This this says the world's dumbest criminals.
• 3:23
  Emeal Zwayne: True stories of the planet's thickest thieves.
• 3:26
  Emeal Zwayne: This is an Australia fitting.
• 3:29
  Ray Comfort: Do you know what the word thick means in Australia?
• 3:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, like that.
• 3:31
  Ray Comfort: Stupid.
• 3:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, stupid, yeah.
• 3:33
  Emeal Zwayne: One thief got more than he bargained for when he reached into the window of a parked car and snatched a tote.
• 3:38
  Emeal Zwayne: The bag belonged to a professional snake catcher.
• 3:41
  Ray Comfort: Inside it was a highly venomous snake More as a little sermon, and that when it comes to sin, yeah, you need to do that in Frisco.
• 3:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, oh boy, here's another one.
• 3:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Using a wheelchair to escape the scene of a crime doesn't sound sensible, but a Texan duo thought it might be worth a try.
• 3:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Noemi Dushane attempted a knife point robbery at a jewelry shop, while her accomplice, louis Del Castillo, waited outside with the getaway vehicle.
• 4:06
  Emeal Zwayne: The wheelchair Dushane, who also lived opposite the shop, was tackled by a customer before she and Del Castillo were able to make a slow escape.
• 4:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Where did Ray Comfort go?
• 4:21
  Emeal Zwayne: He was neat to go nap, he just ran away.
• 4:25
  Oscar Navarro: He just bailed on the podcast, you just remember these kind of thing?
• 4:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh boy, all right, here's one more, guys, as we wait Ray's return, two burglars decided that DIY do-it-yourself disguises were the way to go for their planned break and enter.
• 4:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Both.
• 4:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Matthew McNeely and Joe Miller scribbled on their faces with a black permanent pen before breaking into an apartment in Iowa.
• 4:49
  Emeal Zwayne: The police caught the pair in their vehicle not long after.
• 4:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Apparently, the less than dynamic duo had been under the influence of alcohol.
• 4:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Note to self don't drink and draw.
• 5:00
  Emeal Zwayne: How stupid you got to be, man, we don't know.
• 5:04
  Ray Comfort: So, Ray Comfort, we're recording a podcast which by the way, we got video.
• 5:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's video now, ray.
• 5:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Where did you go, ray, to get that book 101?
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Of the dumbest things people have done.
• 5:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I was thinking as you're reading.
• 5:17
  Emeal Zwayne: This sounds like what's in the book, because the book's packed full of dumb things that people have done.
• 5:21
  Ray Comfort: Can I just point something out about that book?
• 5:24
  Mark Spence: Usually, Ray, you just finished writing a book so you want to get accommodations for a book and different people that appreciate the book.
• 5:29
  Mark Spence: Let us know.
• 5:29
  Mark Spence: Well, Ray did the same thing for that book Name some of the big name people that commenced that book on the back.
• 5:36
  Mark Spence: Oscar, what are you reading?
• 5:37
  Mark Spence: I laughed until I cried then.
• 5:42
  Oscar Navarro: I laughed some more.
• 5:42
  Oscar Navarro: Frank, no, last name, just Frank.
• 5:46
  Oscar Navarro: He's from the Lord of the World, seriously.
• 5:49
  Mark Spence: Ray, who else to say?
• 5:52
  Emeal Zwayne: I laughed till my side hurt.
• 5:53
  Oscar Navarro: It's so funny, alicia, you're a great writer, I'm not going to lie.
• 5:56
  Oscar Navarro: It's so funny.
• 5:57
  Oscar Navarro: It's so funny, alicia Quinn.
• 5:59
  Ray Comfort: Oh, there's a last name.
• 6:00
  Ray Comfort: You've never heard of her.
• 6:01
  Ray Comfort: By the way, that's deliberate.
• 6:04
  Ray Comfort: I did a dumb commendation thing on there because it's a book about dumb things I do and I love the cover.
• 6:10
  Ray Comfort: This is one of the brilliant.
• 6:11
  Ray Comfort: It really is brilliant.
• 6:12
  Ray Comfort: One of the best covers ever.
• 6:13
  Ray Comfort: It's not Well, it's so true, it's you, I did that once.
• 6:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Or Sunny Bono, you know.
• 6:17
  Ray Comfort: I did that once.
• 6:18
  Ray Comfort: I did that once.
• 6:19
  Ray Comfort: You did not do that, I did.
• 6:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Friends.
• 6:24
  Emeal Zwayne: For those of you that well, that's all of you listening who can't see it.
• 6:26
  Emeal Zwayne: It's Ray's got a little ketchup package trying to squeeze on his fry, sitting at a restaurant, and there's this big biker dude with tattoos and it's going in his eye.
• 6:34
  Emeal Zwayne: For the camera, yeah, oh, for the camera, yeah, anyway it's evangelistic.
• 6:40
  Ray Comfort: It's not just about dumb things.
• 6:41
  Ray Comfort: The reason books like that have been written is to get the gospel in the hands of people while they're laughing.
• 6:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, what I'm shocked about is there aren't like 9,000 volumes from you, ray, because most of this is about your life.
• 6:51
  Emeal Zwayne: They're coming.
• 6:52
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I think we'll talk about episodes soon, about humor.
• 6:56
  Ray Comfort: Yes, you're right we are.
• 6:57
  Oscar Navarro: That's going to be good.
• 6:58
  Oscar Navarro: You just mentioned like get the gospel, while laughing and remembering that, yeah, stay tuned, stay tuned, friends.
• 7:04
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, here's a comment from an Academy attendee.
• 7:09
  Emeal Zwayne: The Ambassador's Academy has become one of our highlights, hi guys.
• 7:14
  Mark Spence: Oh, I love it, love meeting people.
• 7:16
  Mark Spence: One of the states you're seeing, because John Harris is doing all of Europe.
• 7:19
  Mark Spence: He does the Europe one and that's really neat as well.
• 7:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and the one that we do here, and John Harris joined us, for that is lovely wife, danny.
• 7:27
  Oscar Navarro: And listener.
• 7:28
  Oscar Navarro: For those who don't know what the Ambassador's Academy is once a year we take a select few, bringing them out to Southern California.
• 7:38
  Oscar Navarro: Here Anyone can come, as long as we choose them.
• 7:40
  Oscar Navarro: Yes, exactly.
• 7:41
  Oscar Navarro: Well, we say select few because we really care about the experience and the intimacy and that everyone gets enough attention, and so because of that, we limit it to 100, but is it less Way down.
• 7:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I think it's 100.
• 7:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, we have been doing 100.
• 7:57
  Emeal Zwayne: We may try smaller ones.
• 7:59
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a lot of people that witness a certain question.
• 8:01
  Mark Spence: June 19th through the 22nd is the next one.
• 8:03
  Oscar Navarro: A lot of people sign up that want to come and unfortunately we have to limit it, unfortunately for people who can't make it, but fortunately for people who do, because they get a lot of attention.
• 8:14
  Oscar Navarro: A lot of focus goes on their ability to evangelize, and so they get to hear some messages from us and then we, along with another team, take them out on the street and are right alongside you for witnessing.
• 8:27
  Oscar Navarro: So if you're interested in that, you can sign up on our newsletter at LivingWaterscom.
• 8:31
  Oscar Navarro: That is one of the first places we announce when the new one comes out and you can be one of the first to sign up and hopefully you'll be able to come out here to Southern California and have a great time with us.
• 8:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, make sure to check it out, brian.
• 8:44
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, this is from an ambassador's academy attendee, lisa Hadamite Mahafia.
• 8:50
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't get out of my.
• 8:51
  Emeal Zwayne: When I got back from LA, I happened to be at the courthouse one day and decided that was it.
• 8:57
  Emeal Zwayne: I wrote to the captain of our sheriff's office and charge of the courthouse and told him I wanted the same privilege to set up a table.
• 9:03
  Emeal Zwayne: What he does for one organization, he has to do for all.
• 9:06
  Emeal Zwayne: He's a Christian and agreed I should be afforded the same rights.
• 9:09
  Emeal Zwayne: So today the Jehovah's Witnesses were told they could not come in Tuesday as they were now my day and I took a table armed with Living Waters, tracts, books, bibles, iq tests, flip charts and the solve my riddle about the coffin sign.
• 9:22
  Emeal Zwayne: I took Chick-fil-A gift cards to give out, as well as money to put in the Living Waters a gift for you tract.
• 9:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Within minutes I had my first two interested people to solve the riddle.
• 9:32
  Emeal Zwayne: It was easy to flip from the natural to the spiritual.
• 9:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I was actually surprised how easy it was.
• 9:36
  Emeal Zwayne: The three sheriff's deputies in charge of security stood there watching each interaction because they were bored waiting on people to walk through the metal detectors.
• 9:45
  Emeal Zwayne: With each witnessing encounter I had.
• 9:47
  Emeal Zwayne: They would be smiling over at me, amazed at how I could get so many people to talk to me.
• 9:52
  Emeal Zwayne: One made a comment that in the first hour of my being there that I had more interactions than the JWs had in a year.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, during the three hours I was there today I had five people decided they wanted to repent and put their trust in Jesus.
• 10:06
  Emeal Zwayne: They said they were going to their car and, before turning the ignition on, would get right with God.
• 10:12
  Emeal Zwayne: A few asked for a hug and several said I made their day and I and asked me to pray for them.
• 10:18
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't put into words my gratitude for what each one of you did to help out at the academy and the impact that has had on my life and now others.
• 10:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Fear gripped me to the point of paralyzing me prior to going to California and I must confess this morning, after praying about it, that I still was fearful driving into the courthouse parking lot.
• 10:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I went by myself and I just had no idea the fruitful conversations God would bless today.
• 10:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for all you do to make sharing the gospel easy and actually fun.
• 10:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Sorry, I added an extra thank you in there, so I didn't want to.
• 10:49
  Mark Spence: Did you also add easy?
• 10:50
  Mark Spence: Is that why you read that?
• 10:51
  Mark Spence: Because you said the word easy.
• 10:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, of course, lisa.
• 10:55
  Emeal Zwayne: You made our day, thank you so much.
• 10:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, and that's why we do the academies, for this very reason.
• 11:01
  Emeal Zwayne: And, guys, really that's the thrill for us.
• 11:02
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not just that people are coming and witnessing, they're going back home and they're replicating what they learned.
• 11:07
  Ray Comfort: Reproducing after their own kind.
• 11:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, amen, amen.
• 11:10
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, this podcast is brought to you by how To Make Sure God Hears your Prayer.
• 11:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Book Ray, how does God hear your prayers?
• 11:21
  Ray Comfort: Certain conditions doesn't matter if God hears your prayers, unless you're hanging over a thousand foot cliff by your teeth or you're upside down in a plane 20,000 feet up in the air, going through severe turbulence.
• 11:30
  Ray Comfort: That's when you need to know if God hears your prayers.
• 11:32
  Ray Comfort: So there are certain conditions.
• 11:34
  Ray Comfort: Jesus was heard in that he prayed.
• 11:36
  Ray Comfort: Most people think God's a divine butler Just waiting for you to click your fingers and he comes running.
• 11:41
  Ray Comfort: But it doesn't work like that.
• 11:42
  Ray Comfort: So it's important to understand what scripture says.
• 11:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh good summation that's why he's the mandem at the look.
• 11:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, stay humble, don't you stumble, because if you do, then we'll all complain and grumble.
• 11:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh sorry, I was just inspired to wrap there.
• 11:59
  Oscar Navarro: Don't worry, we can cut that out.
• 12:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and don't forget the Living Waters.
• 12:02
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• 12:07
  Emeal Zwayne: No, oscar, it's me today.
• 12:11
  Oscar Navarro: How great would it be if it's the entire time, all 200 episodes.
• 12:15
  Oscar Navarro: We've been editing most of Easy Out and he didn't even know it.
• 12:21
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, People say I love your podcast.
• 12:22
  Ray Comfort: Who are you?
• 12:24
  Mark Spence: I love your three minute podcast.
• 12:27
  Emeal Zwayne: All right friends, persecution and mockery, excited.
• 12:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Today we're going to mine nuggets of wisdom from the book of Proverbs.
• 12:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I cannot, so we did the book of Psalms on the last episode, and today we're going to talk about Proverbs.
• 12:48
  Emeal Zwayne: And man, I love the Proverbs.
• 12:52
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, my earliest memories of being a new believer was opening up the book of Proverbs and just being blown away.
• 13:00
  Oscar Navarro: Was there a fan?
• 13:02
  Emeal Zwayne: A big fan.
• 13:03
  Emeal Zwayne: No, I was just like man, this is some deep wisdom here, this is some real stuff.
• 13:09
  Emeal Zwayne: And yeah, I mean Proverbs are good.
• 13:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean I know my absolute favorite.
• 13:17
  Oscar Navarro: I just wanted to quote you there.
• 13:18
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, man, Proverbs are good.
• 13:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, man, proverbs are so cute, man.
• 13:25
  Emeal Zwayne: But my absolute favorite proverb is Proverb 32, 1 to 2, because it reminds me of U3.
• 13:33
  Emeal Zwayne: The words of Azure, the son of Jake.
• 13:34
  Emeal Zwayne: He has utterance.
• 13:35
  Emeal Zwayne: This man declared to Ithiel, to Ithiel and Ucal, surely I am more stupid than any man and do not have the understanding.
• 13:42
  Oscar Navarro: I just want to say this is how you know.
• 13:44
  Oscar Navarro: Ez is more godly than us because his Bible has 32 Proverbs.
• 13:49
  Oscar Navarro: You just said, proverbs 32.
• 13:53
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's right.
• 13:53
  Emeal Zwayne: How do you get so much?
• 13:54
  Emeal Zwayne: 31?
• 13:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 32.
• 13:56
  Oscar Navarro: Proverbs 31 to 2.
• 13:57
  Ray Comfort: Now you said Proverbs 32.
• 13:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Take it back to the tape.
• 14:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's funny.
• 14:02
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, we should have picked up.
• 14:03
  Ray Comfort: He said that to see how he was waiting.
• 14:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I knew you were here, right, I'm talking about stupidity.
• 14:08
  Ray Comfort: Just quote from the book of Hezekiah.
• 14:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, the book of addition.
• 14:11
  Emeal Zwayne: So yeah, but Proverbs so packed full of wisdom.
• 14:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Like I said in the other podcasts, I read the Psalms and the Proverbs once through every month.
• 14:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Been doing it for a few years and absolutely love it.
• 14:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Can't get enough of the wisdom in there, and if we just pause long enough to take some of these nuggets and really chew on them, meditate on them, pray over them, they're going to have massive, massive impact in our lives.
• 14:37
  Ray Comfort: So, Ray, I was just going to say I love the scripture.
• 14:40
  Ray Comfort: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
• 14:41
  Ray Comfort: And often I'll bring up the fear of the Lord when I'm witnessing to people and they'll say I don't fear God.
• 14:45
  Ray Comfort: And then I quote that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
• 14:48
  Ray Comfort: If you don't fear God, you haven't even begun to get wise.
• 14:52
  Oscar Navarro: So, true.
• 14:53
  Oscar Navarro: I love it.
• 14:53
  Oscar Navarro: I think in order to understand Proverbs we have to understand, we have to have a good working definition of what wisdom literature is, because wisdom literature is very unique and should be approached differently in the scriptures than the rest of them.
• 15:10
  Oscar Navarro: And so in the scriptures we have wisdom literature Primarily.
• 15:13
  Oscar Navarro: That is the book of Proverbs, ecclesiastes and Job, and most.
• 15:18
  Oscar Navarro: A lot of scholars or historians recognize that the early church saw these three books as almost different characters, or at least the way they understood them.
• 15:29
  Oscar Navarro: And so you've got Ecclesiastes, which is known as the critic.
• 15:33
  Oscar Navarro: You've got Job, which is this old, wise, experienced book, and then you've got the book of Proverbs, which is seen as like a teacher or a wise friend.
• 15:45
  Oscar Navarro: And so all wisdom literature is meant to teach us something about how to live well in God's kingdom.
• 15:53
  Oscar Navarro: It is not the same as the Torah.
• 15:56
  Oscar Navarro: If we read wisdom literature like law, we will misunderstand what God's trying to do.
• 16:01
  Oscar Navarro: It's also not the same as prophecy.
• 16:03
  Oscar Navarro: One scholar or commentary that I read simply says it like this the wisdom literature is the insight of God's people through the generations on how to live in a way that honors God and others.
• 16:18
  Oscar Navarro: And it goes on to talk about Proverbs.
• 16:20
  Oscar Navarro: The root word there is like probability.
• 16:23
  Oscar Navarro: In other words and we've talked about this before these are truisms.
• 16:26
  Oscar Navarro: They're not promises, they're not guarantees.
• 16:29
  Oscar Navarro: They're general rules about how we ought to live in this world, and when we do, we can hope for an outcome.
• 16:38
  Mark Spence: Right.
• 16:39
  Mark Spence: So the book of Proverbs is filled with knowledge, and when we apply this knowledge it turns into wisdom, right?
• 16:47
  Mark Spence: As one commentator said, knowledge is nothing more than an accumulation of raw facts, but wisdom is the ability to see people, events and situations as God sees them.
• 16:57
  Mark Spence: That's the caveat, that's the catch, that's the change of the trajectory of where you're heading, applying what you know, right.
• 17:06
  Mark Spence: So what is the dad joke about a tomato?
• 17:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Right.
• 17:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I love that.
• 17:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I was going to just about to share it.
• 17:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Share it.
• 17:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that knowledge is that tomato is a fruit.
• 17:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad, right?
• 17:19
  Mark Spence: Listen.
• 17:19
  Mark Spence: So, Matthew Henry?
• 17:20
  Mark Spence: He said it is better to get wisdom than gold.
• 17:22
  Mark Spence: Gold is another's, Wisdom is our own.
• 17:26
  Mark Spence: Gold is for the body and time.
• 17:29
  Mark Spence: Wisdom is for the soul and eternity.
• 17:32
  Mark Spence: Or, as Vance Havner said, if you want knowledge, go to school.
• 17:35
  Mark Spence: If you want wisdom, get on your knees Right Praying.
• 17:39
  Mark Spence: In the text it's a safe place to be.
• 17:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and guys, look, we're living in a day and age where, boy, there's such a dearth of wisdom, and especially in this younger generation.
• 17:51
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm blown away by the fact that we have more knowledge than ever, more access to knowledge, to information, yeah, and information than ever, at a more rapid rate than ever, at the click of a button.
• 18:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean it used to be okay back in the day, we had computers.
• 18:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, you had to go to your computer.
• 18:09
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, think of how much more powerful these smartphones are than, like, the computers we had, let's say, in the early 90s, like probably hundreds of times speed and capacity and storage and memory and so and yet, so much foolishness, so much foolishness.
• 18:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I wouldn't be surprised if you ask most teenagers today what's wisdom, they tell you it's the name of a tooth.
• 18:32
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, wouldn't surprise me at all.
• 18:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray Comfort, you're about to say something.
• 18:39
  Ray Comfort: No, it is the name of a tooth, isn't it?
• 18:41
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
• 18:43
  Ray Comfort: We have so many kids, especially in colleges, that are really how can I put it nicely?
• 18:48
  Ray Comfort: They're just dumb.
• 18:49
  Ray Comfort: They've been brainwashed by a system from the world and it just lacks the wisdom of God right from the beginning.
• 18:59
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I would say that, as I look into the world, I don't see this being relegated to just a younger generation.
• 19:05
  Oscar Navarro: I see it being a part of our culture in general.
• 19:08
  Oscar Navarro: I think we are all, to a degree, suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
• 19:13
  Oscar Navarro: Have you guys ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger?
• 19:14
  Ray Comfort: effect.
• 19:15
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, of course.
• 19:15
  Ray Comfort: Talk about it all the time.
• 19:16
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah so the Dunning-Kruger effect is when you first gain information about something, you have a little bit of knowledge.
• 19:25
  Mark Spence: What I'm just go ahead, continue.
• 19:28
  Emeal Zwayne: What am I doing?
• 19:29
  Emeal Zwayne: No, no.
• 19:29
  Mark Spence: Oscar, I just don't want easy to comment on what you're saying.
• 19:32
  Oscar Navarro: Don't want him to yeah, just go ahead, you have so the dining Krueger effect.
• 19:38
  Oscar Navarro: The idea is, when you have a little bit of knowledge, you think you have a lot of knowledge and information on a particular subject, and this is like people call it, like the simpleton effect.
• 19:48
  Oscar Navarro: So what happens is that you've got, you've got people, you've got four or five people that will approach a podium and the guy who has very little information will often be the most confident, and that person, even though they have the least amount of information, because of his confidence, can deliver in such a way that everybody will think he's the wisest one in the room.
• 20:06
  Oscar Navarro: But what the Dunning Krueger effect shows is that if you pursue knowledge a little bit further, you begin to realize that you know nothing.
• 20:13
  Oscar Navarro: And then you get to a place where you know a little bit, and only until the end, where you gain true wisdom.
• 20:19
  Oscar Navarro: And I think Wisdom, as you pointed out, is lacking.
• 20:23
  Oscar Navarro: I think the entire, our entire culture, we are all settling for the Dunning Krueger effect.
• 20:28
  Oscar Navarro: We want the confident, powerful communicator and we're like man.
• 20:33
  Oscar Navarro: That guy must know what he's talking about, but more often than that they're the one with the least amount of wisdom.
• 20:39
  Ray Comfort: You will always think we can jump higher, run faster and longer than we actually can.
• 20:42
  Ray Comfort: When you see someone do it on television who's had a lot of practice, you think I could do that, but you can't.
• 20:47
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's just human nature to think we and especially morally, we all think we're morally better than what we are, and that's why it's so important to use the Lord, bring the knowledge of sin.
• 20:55
  Emeal Zwayne: I have a subheading in in my book.
• 20:57
  Emeal Zwayne: What's the name of the book?
• 20:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, fight like a man, a bold little battle plan for personal purity.
• 21:04
  Emeal Zwayne: But there's, there's this one subheading within a chapter.
• 21:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I said without wisdom, wisdom.
• 21:13
  Mark Spence: We.
• 21:13
  Mark Spence: Don't yeah dad joke right there.
• 21:16
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's gonna be, the shortest dad joke ever boy, I love it, but yeah you know, got original.
• 21:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, oh, it's wonderful, thank you.
• 21:23
  Mark Spence: Thank you, thank you.
• 21:24
  Mark Spence: So how long did it take chat GPT to write your book?
• 21:29
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it's been done, it's had to be done by now.
• 21:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, all book no way, I wouldn't be surprised.
• 21:35
  Ray Comfort: I think every publish is trembling at the thought that the author is gonna come back within a few days.
• 21:40
  Emeal Zwayne: I wrote the book you wanted.
• 21:41
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, I just I just finished signing my contract with with my publisher and I was surprised.
• 21:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm like I'm surprised there isn't a clause in here that says this was not obtained by AI or something.
• 21:50
  Ray Comfort: You know why should they care?
• 21:51
  Ray Comfort: Well, it's gonna be better than what the author can write.
• 21:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, but you know what I'm saying.
• 21:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Like yeah, it's crazy, I'm sure right now schools are scrambling to find out how people are are cheating.
• 22:04
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, they already can, you can, you can see ways that you you can Reinter Writings into chat, gpt, and then find out if it was written by check and trace it back.
• 22:14
  Oscar Navarro: Yep, oh, really.
• 22:15
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but what's that?
• 22:15
  Ray Comfort: You write a hundred percent.
• 22:16
  Ray Comfort: You can write to chat.
• 22:18
  Ray Comfort: Gpt ends to say I want you to disguise what I'm gonna write now so it can't be detected, and chat.
• 22:23
  Emeal Zwayne: GPT Oscar is.
• 22:24
  Ray Comfort: That is that something that's real, so what?
• 22:26
  Emeal Zwayne: happens?
• 22:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Chat GPT providing no.
• 22:28
  Oscar Navarro: No, it's, in general, it's in it's in general, you can reapply it.
• 22:31
  Oscar Navarro: So that this actually just happened to a basketball player.
• 22:33
  Oscar Navarro: He got caught doing something really stupid and he had this like apology that he wrote and everyone was like man, that seems weird.
• 22:40
  Oscar Navarro: And somebody like threw that back into an AI and it was like, yeah, I wrote that Wow.
• 22:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's, it's just crazy, but they'll find ways around it.
• 22:49
  Emeal Zwayne: They always find ways around it anyway, friends.
• 22:52
  Emeal Zwayne: So, yeah, so the book of Proverbs 31, not 32, not 32 chapters 31 chapters Mainly believed to have been written by Solomon.
• 23:03
  Emeal Zwayne: There's a you know, a couple exceptions.
• 23:05
  Emeal Zwayne: You have Azure.
• 23:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I read from that Proverbs 30, the stupid, the stupid verse.
• 23:10
  Emeal Zwayne: And then King Lemuel.
• 23:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Some believe that King Lemuel was Samuel as well, or Samuel was Solomon as well, and they're just packed full of wisdom.
• 23:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Hmm, I, I Absolutely love the Proverbs.
• 23:25
  Emeal Zwayne: It might be the book I quote most.
• 23:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, I think it's one of the most quoted books.
• 23:31
  Emeal Zwayne: What would you say in your own lives?
• 23:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Or no?
• 23:34
  Oscar Navarro: I've never I'll have to create a graph until you.
• 23:37
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, chat GPT yeah.
• 23:42
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:43
  Ray Comfort: So I don't know why I said um cuz I got nothing.
• 23:45
  Mark Spence: I'm still stuck back with chat GPT.
• 23:47
  Mark Spence: I just asked chat GPT Write me an apology letter to my boss for stealing from him and I'm reading it.
• 23:52
  Mark Spence: It's just absolutely amazing.
• 23:54
  Mark Spence: And then I dropped it back into chat GPT and I said is this plagiarized?
• 23:58
  Mark Spence: I dropped it in and says sounds like somebody's very sorry for what they've done.
• 24:04
  Oscar Navarro: Drop it and say did you write this?
• 24:05
  Oscar Navarro: Did you write?
• 24:07
  Emeal Zwayne: So, so let me kick us off, guys, because I want us all to share different Proverbs that have impacted our lives and and that would encourage our friends.
• 24:16
  Emeal Zwayne: But but I think the best place to start is in the first proverb, one of my favorites, and I think it's a good commentary on the importance of heeding wisdom.
• 24:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, the whole theme of Proverbs is wisdom.
• 24:31
  Emeal Zwayne: He did, he did, and this is a what's called a personification of wisdom.
• 24:38
  Emeal Zwayne: This is as if the wisdom was a person and and it's speaking.
• 24:42
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not the Lord.
• 24:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Some, sometimes people will mix it up.
• 24:45
  Emeal Zwayne: They go this is the Lord.
• 24:46
  Emeal Zwayne: No, this is wisdom.
• 24:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Wisdom calls aloud outside.
• 24:49
  Emeal Zwayne: She raises her voice in the open squares, she cries out in the chief concourses, at the opening of the gates in the city.
• 24:54
  Emeal Zwayne: She speaks her words.
• 24:56
  Emeal Zwayne: How long you simple ones will you love simplicity, for scorers delight in their scorning and fools hate knowledge.
• 25:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Turn at my rebuke.
• 25:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Surely I will pour out my spirit on you.
• 25:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I will make my words known to you, because I have called and you refused.
• 25:11
  Emeal Zwayne: I've stretched out my hand and no one regarded, because you disdained all my counsel and would have none of my rebuke.
• 25:18
  Emeal Zwayne: I also will laugh at your calamity.
• 25:21
  Emeal Zwayne: I will mock when your terror comes.
• 25:23
  Emeal Zwayne: When your terror comes like a storm and your destruction comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you, then they will call on me, but I will not answer.
• 25:33
  Emeal Zwayne: They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, because they have hated knowledge and did not choose a fear of the Lord.
• 25:41
  Emeal Zwayne: They would have none of my counsel and despised my every rebuke.
• 25:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Therefore, they shall eat the fruit of their own way and be filled to the full with their own fancies, for the turning away of the simple will slay them and the complacency of fools will destroy them.
• 25:55
  Emeal Zwayne: But whoever listens to me will dwell safely and will be secure without fear of evil, and there goes great comfort again.
• 26:04
  Emeal Zwayne: So, guys, look as I, as I read Proverbs on and when I counsel people this is the proverb that I, yeah, oftentimes Go to when I sense that they're not open to receiving counsel.
• 26:23
  Emeal Zwayne: And the Proverbs are full of rebuke toward those who don't receive counsel, in fact that they're called stupid, that you know, those that don't receive correction counsel their fools.
• 26:34
  Emeal Zwayne: They're setting themselves up for disaster, and all of us at this table here Know that there have been times when we did not heed the voice of wisdom, but we we've seen the tragedies of those who have done it in severe cases, and what a tragedy that is.
• 26:51
  Mark Spence: Have you ever sat down with somebody who wanted counsel?
• 26:53
  Mark Spence: You gave them the counsel.
• 26:55
  Mark Spence: It's biblical counsel, it's good counsel.
• 26:56
  Mark Spence: It's gonna get them out of the hole they're in.
• 26:58
  Mark Spence: They look at you and they say I'm not gonna heed it or I'm not gonna do it, or are they more congenial towards you?
• 27:04
  Mark Spence: Easy.
• 27:05
  Mark Spence: And they say you know, yeah, no, I'll think about that.
• 27:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, you know, that brought to mind, mark, something that I just watched of Ray's.
• 27:12
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a new video he did on abortion and it had a video from a young lady that he had interviewed a long time ago as a part of one of our movies, but she had had an abortion and Ray was just speaking words of wisdom to her about the folly of it, that it's murder and so on and so forth, and at the end he says will you please think about what I shared with you?
• 27:33
  Emeal Zwayne: And she said, no, I won't.
• 27:36
  Mark Spence: And is that because she had an abortion herself and her conscience is pricked and she cannot run away?
• 27:40
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I think so.
• 27:42
  Mark Spence: You think I mean is that?
• 27:42
  Emeal Zwayne: it.
• 27:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Her face was twitching, Ray, wasn't it?
• 27:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, she was talking.
• 27:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, I think she was heavily under control.
• 27:48
  Mark Spence: I was blown away as I watched that interview that Ray had.
• 27:51
  Mark Spence: I mean, ray was filled with so much wisdom and it really seemed that it was, from on high, pointed directly to her as a warning from God, giving her a chance to repent.
• 28:00
  Mark Spence: You murdered your child and Ray was asking so if you were to murder a child, how would you do it?
• 28:07
  Mark Spence: How are abortions performed?
• 28:09
  Mark Spence: What would you do?
• 28:10
  Mark Spence: And I'm like my jaw dropped as I'm watching this and I've seen it before, absolutely standing in awe of what our society has become and what we're teaching the young.
• 28:20
  Mark Spence: And today I saw that Governor Newsom wants to put a Planned Parenthood in every university in California.
• 28:29
  Emeal Zwayne: You think about that applied in eternity, crying out for wisdom, wishing you can go back and undo what was done and the personification here you know you-.
• 28:42
  Ray Comfort: There was in the seven reasons video if anyone wanted to see it on a YouTube channel.
• 28:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but just this personification here of wisdom.
• 28:50
  Emeal Zwayne: I also will laugh at your calamity.
• 28:53
  Emeal Zwayne: I will mock when your chair comes.
• 28:55
  Emeal Zwayne: When your chair comes like a storm and your destruction comes like a whirlwind.
• 28:57
  Emeal Zwayne: When distress and anguish come upon you, boy, you extrapolate that to the day of judgment.
• 29:02
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, but, ray, you've seen that with people regret, that regret of not heeding wisdom, even abortion, I mean we're talking about that topic.
• 29:11
  Emeal Zwayne: But the women that their lives are destroyed, how many women have we heard of who say I cannot stop thinking about that child every day?
• 29:18
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean Mark, even in the movie, what is it that young lady said every day I think about that child every day.
• 29:25
  Mark Spence: Her friends had no idea that she had an abortion and she said oh, did I not tell you?
• 29:29
  Mark Spence: Yeah, oh, no it's honey, she knows she didn't tell him.
• 29:32
  Mark Spence: I think it was a place of release for her to be able to tell her friends to let him in.
• 29:36
  Ray Comfort: We don't realize how complex we are, how complex God has made us, in the sense that we have this conscience that sits there like a smoke detector with the batteries out and there are terrible consequences for sin, both inwardly and outwardly.
• 29:54
  Ray Comfort: You can make a mess of your life, but inwardly you destroy your own character and what God's created.
• 29:59
  Ray Comfort: How would you define conscience?
• 30:01
  Ray Comfort: Conscience is the okay, it's the impartial judge on the courtroom.
• 30:06
  Ray Comfort: Mind con with science, not just sit at a million times, but half a million.
• 30:12
  Oscar Navarro: I don't know about you guys, but I think, as I think back on my life and I think of moments where I've heeded wisdom, it feels very alien to me.
• 30:22
  Oscar Navarro: It feels like something outside of myself right Like when I'm following my own heart that feels natural, feels like this is the right thing to do, but I feel like I can look back at my lives and see my life.
• 30:33
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, it's a new doctrine I can look back on my life and see these like pivot points as a Christian, where I saw counsel through prayer and mentors and God's word, and I received a wisdom that was so different than what my natural sense wanted to do.
• 30:55
  Oscar Navarro: And I look back now and I can be like man.
• 30:58
  Oscar Navarro: I am so glad I didn't make that decision for me.
• 31:01
  Oscar Navarro: I'm really glad the Lord, I heard what the Lord wanted for me in that moment.
• 31:06
  Oscar Navarro: And, yeah, I don't know, do you guys sense that like wisdom is just beyond you?
• 31:11
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, we think it's way beyond you.
• 31:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, absolutely, and that's why the Proverbs speak to that.
• 31:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 11, 14,.
• 31:20
  Emeal Zwayne: In a multitude of counselors there is safety.
• 31:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Without consultation, plans are frustrated.
• 31:26
  Emeal Zwayne: With many counselors, they succeed.
• 31:28
  Emeal Zwayne: And this is, I think, how you can distinguish a person who truly wants to honor the Lord and one who wants to do their own thing.
• 31:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 18,.
• 31:36
  Emeal Zwayne: One he who separates himself, seeks his own desire, he quarrels against all sound wisdom.
• 31:44
  Emeal Zwayne: The person who does not wanna talk to other people and get their input is a self-willed person who just wants to do what they want to do, and I'm telling you they're setting themselves up for disaster.
• 31:55
  Mark Spence: And that's what Proverbs 14 is right.
• 31:56
  Mark Spence: I mean, there's a way that seems right to a man, but the end there of his dad Still with thunder.
• 32:02
  Ray Comfort: Now it's thing Proverbs, it's just so true.
• 32:05
  Ray Comfort: And in every way there's a way that seems right to man.
• 32:08
  Ray Comfort: You don't wanna satisfy these desires that I've got, I don't care what anyone thinks, and it ends in death and it's frightening.
• 32:16
  Ray Comfort: So it's a great verse to write across your forehead Hmm, Don't you dear, I'll tell you, I'll tell you my forehead yeah it's so On the inside of your forehead.
• 32:28
  Emeal Zwayne: It's so.
• 32:28
  Emeal Zwayne: It's so key for us to step back and to realize.
• 32:32
  Emeal Zwayne: The reason why it's extremely wise to get counsel from others is because others have been places you haven't been.
• 32:41
  Emeal Zwayne: They've seen things you haven't seen.
• 32:42
  Emeal Zwayne: They've experienced things you haven't experienced.
• 32:44
  Emeal Zwayne: They have insight into God's word that you may not have come across, especially someone who's older, though it's not exempt to the older.
• 32:51
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, you could have someone wiser, who's even younger than you, you know, but someone whose life has been invested in the things of the Lord and someone who cares about you.
• 33:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Man, it's so essential and, oscar, you speak to this all the time and it's so essential the importance of community within the church.
• 33:09
  Emeal Zwayne: That's where wisdom is really coming.
• 33:10
  Mark Spence: Can I comment on that before he says it?
• 33:12
  Mark Spence: I don't know of anybody else in my life that is a bigger proponent for the local church than Oscar.
• 33:17
  Mark Spence: Right that, Oscar, you are always elevating what God has designed for the believer, namely to become accountable specifically to the pastors, the shepherds that God has inside your life.
• 33:33
  Oscar Navarro: Man.
• 33:33
  Oscar Navarro: I think it's just.
• 33:34
  Oscar Navarro: I think we see so clearly God's grace at work when people are find themselves in gospel community.
• 33:41
  Oscar Navarro: Gospel community being, I would define that as being in a godly Christian church that preaches God word, in which you are both known and loved.
• 33:53
  Oscar Navarro: Known for all of your sins and for all of your strengths, loved in that they will hold you accountable, encourage you and lift you up in those moments.
• 34:05
  Oscar Navarro: And so I just I look at my life.
• 34:07
  Oscar Navarro: Actually, when I look at the people who I have a high degree of respect for through and through, I see them being faithful members of a local church.
• 34:15
  Oscar Navarro: I think you guys are prime examples of that.
• 34:16
  Oscar Navarro: If you attest, you know, if you look at your lives, the people that you spend your time with more often than that are also members of your church.
• 34:24
  Oscar Navarro: Your time in the local church goes beyond that hour and a half or two hours on Sunday.
• 34:29
  Oscar Navarro: It bleeds into barbecues and vacations and long drives and weekends and fun and like it's all bled together.
• 34:39
  Oscar Navarro: Your pastor knows you and I think that so many Christians are lacking in spiritual vitality because they lack participation in their local church.
• 34:52
  Mark Spence: Well, let me take it, let me expand on that.
• 34:55
  Mark Spence: I invited a theologian to come be a part of our Living Waters Equip program that's coming out and we were gonna record on Monday.
• 35:03
  Ray Comfort: Hasn't it got a new name now?
• 35:05
  Mark Spence: It's gonna be on Living Waters TV Okay, living Waters TV In the spring, but this specific portion is Living Waters Equip and I invited to come out.
• 35:11
  Mark Spence: I said, well, film on Monday, we can have you come out on Sunday.
• 35:13
  Mark Spence: And he said, yeah, no, that's not gonna work.
• 35:17
  Mark Spence: And I said, okay, no problem.
• 35:18
  Mark Spence: He said, oh, listen, I have church.
• 35:19
  Mark Spence: I'm like, oh, are you teaching at your church?
• 35:21
  Mark Spence: And he said, no, I'm just attending my church.
• 35:24
  Mark Spence: I wanna be with God's people.
• 35:25
  Mark Spence: Wow, there's a high view of the local church right there.
• 35:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, that's really impressive.
• 35:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, that's an appropriate view that says I'm not just there necessarily to get, I'm there to also give.
• 35:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm a member of that body and I'm there to minister to others and love on others.
• 35:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and to also receive and be encouraged, to be sharpened, to be held accountable.
• 35:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Again, there's no such thing as a churchless Christian.
• 35:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Really, it wasn't even a thought in the early church.
• 35:54
  Emeal Zwayne: What are you talking about?
• 35:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I just worship God on my own at home.
• 35:58
  Emeal Zwayne: We are the people of God and, especially because of the cold run of persecution that they were in, you couldn't just profess to be a Christian.
• 36:05
  Emeal Zwayne: It came with a cost under many circumstances.
• 36:08
  Oscar Navarro: I think this is how strong we are convicted about it.
• 36:10
  Oscar Navarro: If God forbid.
• 36:12
  Oscar Navarro: One of our listeners is like oh, I don't do church, like the Living Waters podcast and the YouTube channel that's my church.
• 36:18
  Oscar Navarro: I would tell you, please make this the last episode you ever listen to until you find a home church, because we are not a replacement to what God intends to do through you and to you in the context of the Lord.
• 36:34
  Emeal Zwayne: And on that note, let me just say too, this is extremely important Even for those of you that partner with us financially.
• 36:40
  Emeal Zwayne: If you've made Living Waters your primary place of giving and you're not giving your local church primarily, we want to ask you to stop giving Living Waters and give to your local church, because you need to be faithful there first.
• 36:55
  Ray Comfort: And if Christian minister was seeing a check for a million dollars and there was a note with it saying I was going to give this to a local church.
• 37:01
  Ray Comfort: But I gave it to you, my local church, and he sent it back.
• 37:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, that's integrity.
• 37:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, right there.
• 37:08
  Mark Spence: I regret doing that now.
• 37:11
  Emeal Zwayne: So, guys, let me read some of my favorites and then you guys can throw in some of yours.
• 37:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you go ahead and go first.
• 37:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 24, 30 to 34.
• 37:19
  Emeal Zwayne: I went by the field.
• 37:24
  Emeal Zwayne: By the way, friends those of you listening for the first time this is what my wonderful friends do anytime I give a reference to pretend they know what it is.
• 37:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Pretend Proverbs.
• 37:32
  Emeal Zwayne: What's Proverbs 24, 30 to 34?
• 37:34
  Ray Comfort: I went to the field with the slugger and I looked and I learned a lesson from slugger.
• 37:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I got a quote from Spurgeon Because you already had it in front of you.
• 37:41
  Ray Comfort: No, no no, no problem.
• 37:42
  Ray Comfort: This is what Spurgeon said.
• 37:43
  Ray Comfort: The book of Proverbs deals very hard blows against sluggards, and Christian ministers do well frequently to denounce the great sin of idleness, which is the mother of a huge family of sins.
• 37:55
  Ray Comfort: And it's so true you hardly ever hear anyone say idleness is a sin, except in the Bible.
• 38:01
  Ray Comfort: But it certainly is.
• 38:02
  Ray Comfort: Get yourself busy, and when you're rowing you won't fight with other people because you've got the boat in a certain direction.
• 38:06
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's good.
• 38:08
  Emeal Zwayne: So Proverbs 24, 30 to 34.
• 38:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I went by the field of the lazy man and by the vineyard of the man devoid of understanding, and there it was all overgrown with thorns, its surface was covered with nettles, its stone wall was broken down.
• 38:21
  Emeal Zwayne: When I saw it, I considered it well, I looked on it and received instruction a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest.
• 38:30
  Emeal Zwayne: So shall your poverty come like a prowler and your need like an armed man.
• 38:35
  Emeal Zwayne: We find a lot of Proverbs that were birthed out of observation, and what comes to mind, guys, is you, as you listen to this in the spiritual realm, with a lot of believers, unfortunately.
• 38:49
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and that whole weeds thing.
• 38:51
  Ray Comfort: We tend to just look on it as a house property.
• 38:54
  Ray Comfort: You cover weeds, but trim your nasal hair.
• 38:56
  Ray Comfort: Let those weeds pull back just a little bit here, here what it sticks out.
• 39:00
  Ray Comfort: Trim those weeds back and same with the eyebrows.
• 39:03
  Ray Comfort: I've seen some guys atheists.
• 39:05
  Ray Comfort: They disappear behind tumbleweeds.
• 39:07
  Ray Comfort: Oh yeah, oh yeah, can we trim it?
• 39:10
  Ray Comfort: What was that guy's name?
• 39:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Richard Dawkins?
• 39:12
  Emeal Zwayne: No, Dawkins has some big eyebrows.
• 39:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Was it Rooney?
• 39:17
  Ray Comfort: Mickey Rooney.
• 39:17
  Ray Comfort: He disappeared behind his tumbleweeds.
• 39:19
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, he was an atheist, that's it.
• 39:21
  Mark Spence: Brick.
• 39:21
  Mark Spence: Have you ever tucked somebody's eyebrow?
• 39:24
  Ray Comfort: Oh yes, it's in the book 101 of the dumbest things.
• 39:28
  Ray Comfort: It's one of the dumbest things they ever did.
• 39:29
  Ray Comfort: I was having a meal with a couple.
• 39:31
  Ray Comfort: We were eating fish.
• 39:32
  Ray Comfort: I remember very distinctly I'm running away to the airport and he was telling me something so earnestly and I saw a hair across his glasses and I thought you know, it's really between him and I.
• 39:41
  Ray Comfort: So I reached out and just gently because we're all close lifted that hair up and realized it was attached to his eyebrow.
• 39:47
  Ray Comfort: So I kind of tucked it into bed and stroked it and just carried on eating fish.
• 39:50
  Mark Spence: It's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.
• 39:52
  Ray Comfort: What about EZ doing the same thing with my son?
• 39:54
  Ray Comfort: On his wedding day, my son, jacob, had this hair sticking out from his top of his shirt and EZ goes to pull it out and it was off his hair.
• 40:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, it's a nine inch chest hair.
• 40:04
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean you've got to try.
• 40:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, just leave it alone.
• 40:08
  Ray Comfort: That's why I've learned that lesson.
• 40:09
  Oscar Navarro: Leave it alone, you're planning on putting the ring on it If there'd been a proverb about touching someone's eyebrows.
• 40:15
  Ray Comfort: I would have taken heed, but I never found one.
• 40:16
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I just went ahead.
• 40:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, fred too.
• 40:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, proverbs too.
• 40:20
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't think Proverbs 24 is about nasal hairs.
• 40:24
  Ray Comfort: EZ, you could actually write a book called Proverbs 32, Wisdom that You've Learned.
• 40:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, that's a good idea, yeah, but yeah, I mean just laziness, man, whether it's physical laziness, spiritual laziness, it's destructive and it's harmful.
• 40:40
  Emeal Zwayne: And we got to realize that when we think, hey, I'll just do it tomorrow, you're just basically creating for yourself an aspect of character that's going to delay a lot of things in your life and you're going to look back one day when it's too late.
• 40:56
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, maybe with some things it's too late to disciple your child, who's now grown and didn't get the influence that they could have from you as a parent.
• 41:08
  Ray Comfort: When I used to make leather jackets many years ago, I remember working as a guy who was a non-Christian.
• 41:12
  Ray Comfort: He'd come in and just watch me work.
• 41:14
  Ray Comfort: He'd come in day after day.
• 41:15
  Ray Comfort: I think I witnessed him and he just watched me work.
• 41:18
  Ray Comfort: He loved watching work.
• 41:19
  Ray Comfort: And one day he says I don't know what's wrong with me.
• 41:22
  Ray Comfort: I just something's not quite right.
• 41:23
  Ray Comfort: And I says I don't know what's wrong.
• 41:24
  Ray Comfort: He got all the symptoms of a disease I see prevalent with much of today's youth.
• 41:28
  Ray Comfort: He said what is it?
• 41:29
  Ray Comfort: I said it's laziness.
• 41:32
  Ray Comfort: He said he said to me laziness.
• 41:37
  Oscar Navarro: I said laziness.
• 41:38
  Ray Comfort: I said how many pronounced laziness, because that was his problem.
• 41:41
  Ray Comfort: He just loved watching work.
• 41:42
  Ray Comfort: A laziness, laziness.
• 41:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that's great, right.
• 41:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, laziness man, it's a plague.
• 41:48
  Emeal Zwayne: It's such a big plague In fact.
• 41:50
  Emeal Zwayne: It's hard to find young men these days especially.
• 41:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Obviously, this applies to young and old, but especially these days, this younger generation, it's just how can you do nothing with your life?
• 42:05
  Ray Comfort: It's so good being busy as kids who used to build tree huts, tree houses.
• 42:09
  Ray Comfort: I love doing it.
• 42:10
  Ray Comfort: Once we finished, we'd build another tree house after we had a war and have fun like that.
• 42:14
  Ray Comfort: But just doing nothing is hard.
• 42:16
  Ray Comfort: We weren't created to do nothing.
• 42:17
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, we should, as Christians, be about our father's business with great zeal and unison.
• 42:23
  Emeal Zwayne: There was something I read about recently called how to train your memory.
• 42:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, what was it Nesting?
• 42:29
  Emeal Zwayne: There was something about it.
• 42:30
  Emeal Zwayne: But where people it's becoming like a trend where you just take days off and you just sit in bed, you eat in bed, you do everything in bed and just watch TV and videos.
• 42:41
  Mark Spence: We need to do an episode on laziness.
• 42:42
  Oscar Navarro: Cribbing or something that sounds like a nightmare to me.
• 42:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh.
• 42:47
  Oscar Navarro: Kelly.
• 42:47
  Oscar Navarro: On a Saturday, for example, if it's like 10 o'clock and I haven't gotten outside, she's like you need to go to the gym.
• 42:52
  Oscar Navarro: You're driving like I started getting cabin fever 10 am, 10 pm.
• 42:57
  Oscar Navarro: Like I haven't been outside I get cabin fever.
• 43:00
  Oscar Navarro: I gotta go do something.
• 43:01
  Mark Spence: Charles Bridges.
• 43:01
  Mark Spence: He said the proud person, a Satan's throne, and the idol man is his pillow.
• 43:05
  Mark Spence: Oh, looks good.
• 43:07
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, proverb 1620.
• 43:09
  Mark Spence: I don't know what that means.
• 43:10
  Mark Spence: I just kind of read it twice.
• 43:10
  Mark Spence: What does he mean by that?
• 43:11
  Mark Spence: I just you just seen it if we're going to.
• 43:13
  Ray Comfort: I was really like yeah, amen oh that's deep.
• 43:15
  Oscar Navarro: It's deep, wonderful.
• 43:16
  Ray Comfort: That'd be funny.
• 43:17
  Ray Comfort: I remember some preacher from the pulpit said to a congregation to show a point he says things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
• 43:24
  Ray Comfort: And everywhere he went, amen.
• 43:26
  Ray Comfort: And he said actually that's a meaningless statement, it means nothing at all.
• 43:31
  Ray Comfort: Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
• 43:33
  Ray Comfort: So we don't really listen to what we read.
• 43:40
  Mark Spence: One of my favorite proverbs, one of yours as well proverbs 3, 5 to 6.
• 43:42
  Mark Spence: Mm trust in the Lord with all your heart.
• 43:45
  Mark Spence: Lean not on your own understanding, and all your ways acknowledge him and he will make your paths.
• 43:50
  Ray Comfort: Can I say something about that?
• 43:51
  Ray Comfort: I heard that probably painted across a painting or sign written across a painting, was a new Christian Huge painting of the ocean and waves and I had it written in white.
• 44:00
  Ray Comfort: I remember a guy come to the door once and he obviously wasn't a Christian.
• 44:04
  Ray Comfort: He just poked his head through the door one to sell something, looked at the painting and he says, ah, trust in the Lord was.
• 44:09
  Ray Comfort: He couldn't finish reading it because of the conviction that came on when he realized it.
• 44:16
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it was a scripture never forgotten that, mark, that that's one of those, I think, verses that has become, you know, played out, if you want to use that word, because people code it so much without paying attention to it.
• 44:30
  Emeal Zwayne: But think of the, the, the depths of wisdom and health.
• 44:34
  Emeal Zwayne: There isn't that trusting the Lord?
• 44:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Things don't have to be complicated and intricate and high and lofty with all these points.
• 44:42
  Emeal Zwayne: And trust the Lord.
• 44:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Trust the Lord what a novel concept.
• 44:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't lean on your own understanding because you don't have enough wisdom to know all the facets of life.
• 44:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Acknowledge him and everything you do.
• 44:55
  Emeal Zwayne: He'll direct your past.
• 44:56
  Oscar Navarro: Well, that Acknowledge him and everything you do, I think is is a powerful thing.
• 45:00
  Oscar Navarro: So I think so many people try to compartmentalize their faith.
• 45:03
  Oscar Navarro: You know, you know they think to themselves oh well, god, god's gonna be great for for for, you know, my Sundays, god's gonna be great for raising my children.
• 45:11
  Oscar Navarro: But what does God have to do with my workplace?
• 45:13
  Oscar Navarro: Mm-hmm, what does God have to do with my golfing buddies?
• 45:16
  Oscar Navarro: What does God have to do with?
• 45:17
  Oscar Navarro: Like, no, no, in all your ways.
• 45:20
  Oscar Navarro: Acknowledge him in all your ways.
• 45:23
  Oscar Navarro: His wisdom is not compartmentalized to your spirituality or your moral aptitude.
• 45:28
  Oscar Navarro: His wisdom is for all of life.
• 45:30
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you know, you want.
• 45:32
  Ray Comfort: You won't do that.
• 45:32
  Ray Comfort: You want to acknowledge them in all your ways if you haven't got a humble heart.
• 45:35
  Ray Comfort: It really is the outworkings of humility, yeah, to realize that you know nothing and that God is everything.
• 45:40
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and so you'll do that, yeah.
• 45:42
  Emeal Zwayne: And again the Proverbs are littered with verses on the value of humility Proverbs 16, 20 he who heeds the word wisely will find Good, and whoever trusts in the Lord, happy as he.
• 45:55
  Emeal Zwayne: There it is again.
• 45:56
  Emeal Zwayne: You know that simplicity you heed the word wisely, you're gonna find good.
• 46:00
  Emeal Zwayne: I've yet to meet a person who's lived a life of Consistent obedience to the word, who has looked back as they've gotten to their latter stages of life and have said, oh man, I so regret that I wish I didn't heed God's word.
• 46:14
  Emeal Zwayne: You know it's always the opposite that we're hearing.
• 46:16
  Oscar Navarro: And you trust in the Lord, yeah, you're gonna be happy that reminds me of J I Packer, who's one of my like heroes of the faith.
• 46:23
  Oscar Navarro: He, in his wife, passed away years before he did, and then he lost his sight.
• 46:29
  Oscar Navarro: And For J I, he, he were on a first initial basis.
• 46:34
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, j, yeah, you know J Fizzle, no, but he, his his like pastime, his hobby was reading.
• 46:43
  Oscar Navarro: He was an avid reader.
• 46:45
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, he had shelves and shelves his books, and I'm, and they have this interview of him and he's sitting in his library and you just see all these books and the interviewers, like man, like, do you do you long to read again?
• 46:56
  Oscar Navarro: Like you've lost this Thing that you've just always done.
• 47:00
  Oscar Navarro: And this blind, you know 80, 90 year old man who's lost his wife a few years ago this smile comes on his face and he's like, I am so thankful for all the verses of God's word that I've memorized because I just sit here and meditate on them.
• 47:18
  Ray Comfort: Wow it brings me joy you know, one the wonderful things to sound a bit dumb, but iPads can Lift up a font to about six inches if you're losing your sight, and so the iPad has opened up so many doors to people with bad eyesight when it comes to reading scripture.
• 47:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, we're blessed to have these technologies today.
• 47:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 28, 23 he who rebukes a man will afterward find more favor.
• 47:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I rebuke you easy, but isn't that stiches?
• 47:47
  Ray Comfort: I often bring that verse to mind when I'm talking to you.
• 47:51
  Ray Comfort: How, when I've said some really harsh things to some guy I'm witnessing to and he turned around says thank you.
• 47:57
  Ray Comfort: And I think of that proverb Wow yeah, yeah, and and it's.
• 48:02
  Emeal Zwayne: It's hard to say hard things to people and, and again, we can say them in a way that there's a proverb talks about someone's words are like the piercings of a sword, you know.
• 48:11
  Emeal Zwayne: So it's not that, it's not that when we say hard things we have to say them in a hard way.
• 48:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Or when we confront someone, you could do it with tact and gentleness and love and care and Humility, but speaking truth, caring enough about someone to say, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you the truth because I love you.
• 48:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Another one of my favorites, a proverb 27 7 a satisfied soul loathes the honeycomb, but to a hungry soul, every bitter thing is sweet.
• 48:36
  Ray Comfort: That is so true, isn't it?
• 48:37
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's so hard when I finish a 40 day fast.
• 48:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm not saying I'm on one, but it would be hard.
• 48:45
  Ray Comfort: Imagine yeah, I can imagine how you do anything, but you know, 40 minute fast, but you think of the spiritual ramifications of that.
• 48:53
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, when you're satisfied in Christ, when you're feasting upon him, the dainties of the world just aren't even appetizing like after you eat a full meal.
• 49:01
  Mark Spence: Sometimes even your favorite dessert is an appetizing you know, there's always room for a chili cheese dog.
• 49:07
  Oscar Navarro: It's chili cheese 30, crazy going so well.
• 49:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 10, 19, and the multitude of words.
• 49:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Sin is not lacking, but he who restrains his lips is wise.
• 49:17
  Emeal Zwayne: 25, 11, a word fitly spoken is like apples of gold and settings of silver, and, and we could go on and on.
• 49:25
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean Proverbs 31.
• 49:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Done it on the, on the the Proverbs 31.
• 49:29
  Ray Comfort: I thought it'd be indiscreet for me to say you are going on, oscar dirt.
• 49:34
  Emeal Zwayne: But, friends, we wanted to wet your appetite today.
• 49:37
  Emeal Zwayne: If you're not a Proverbs person, I've become one.
• 49:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I soak yourself in the Proverbs be a prevalent Proverbs person?
• 49:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, be a persistent, prevalent Proverbs person who perseveres while perseverating.
• 49:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Nothing more perfect, but but do it, jump in, meditate, memorize and encourage others through the Proverbs.
• 50:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, there you have it, friends.
• 50:03
  Emeal Zwayne: I hope you enjoyed those nuggets we gave you.
• 50:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't forget how to make sure God.
• 50:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Here's your prayers.
• 50:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Book by Ray Comfort and well very fitting the 101 of the dumbest things People have done.
• 50:15
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• 50:17
  Ray Comfort: I did a kid, I'm gonna drink with you or not?
• 50:19
  Ray Comfort: Did you hunt what, what, who?
• 50:20
  Ray Comfort: That book, the dumb book that I dedicated to you?
• 50:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you?
• 50:23
  Ray Comfort: I don't know.
• 50:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't think so.
• 50:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Let's see.
• 50:26
  Emeal Zwayne: I should have, oh, I should have oh here, oh no, dedicated to the dumbest person in the world myself.
• 50:33
  Emeal Zwayne: What that's all lies?
• 50:35
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• 50:37
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• 50:38
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• 50:47
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• 50:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us.
• 50:52
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• 50:57
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• 51:01
  Ray Comfort: Okay.