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35. Finding Home Through Family Constellation with Isabelle Eustace · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
• 0:23
  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiata, everyone.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Welcome to constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Today I had the pleasure of talking to my colleague, uh, in the beautiful south island, Nelson, Isabel Tis Isabelle.
• 0:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, welcome.
• 0:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you very much for having me.
• 0:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's a bit of cold and and gray today, so it's quite nice to just catch up and have a chat.
• 0:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes, it is
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  Isabelle Eustace: nice having the heat pump on and being toasty.
• 1:03
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And I'm very excited.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Great.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I've got blankets and, and a, and scarf and yeah, it just feels nice to, to be nice and cozy.
• 1:12
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm gonna invite you, if you'd, uh, like to introduce yourself where you're from, a little bit about who you
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  Isabelle Eustace: are.
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  Isabelle Eustace: That's already a difficult one to kind of put that in a little introduction.
• 1:23
  Isabelle Eustace: But, um, yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I was born in France.
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  Isabelle Eustace: My mom is French and I grew up in Germany.
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  Isabelle Eustace: My dad is German, and I came to New Zealand in 2001, traveling as a backpacker.
• 1:35
  Isabelle Eustace: But before that I had a long draw to come to New Zealand.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I always wanted to go, never kind of fitted.
• 1:41
  Isabelle Eustace: Then I had family members and friends saying, oh, I'm sure when you are there you fall in love and the others, nah, nah.
• 1:49
  Isabelle Eustace: Coming back.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And then it happened.
• 1:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Exactly.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I fell in love coming here with the country and a man.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So I, uh, married back in Germany 2002 and lived here since 2003 and all this kind of happened for me.
• 2:04
  Isabelle Eustace: During my time when I worked with Family Constellation about Family Constellation and did my training.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So in the midst of all that, just getting my first step going, I just came to New Zealand and had to learn English.
• 2:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So you've, you've put your roots down in Nelson and it's beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It was
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  Isabelle Eustace: a nice place.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I kind of traveled around the north island and around the south island, and I like the north.
• 2:31
  Isabelle Eustace: West of Auckland and I really liked the Kora area.
• 2:35
  Isabelle Eustace: And then this man was in Nelson and it kind of was the top pick.
• 2:40
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah,
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  Tracy Cartwright: I always said that if I didn't live in Fang Nelson would probably be one of the places that I would choose.
• 2:47
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause I really like the area.
• 2:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I like, I remember people here saying, oh no.
• 2:52
  Isabelle Eustace: Now we would just choose Nelson just for the climate, and I know exactly what they mean.
• 2:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Now that I lived here, it's just has such a nice climate and it's just nestled in so many diverse national parks and it still feels a bit, there's space around.
• 3:08
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I, I, I'm really tear through my husband.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And he's a Kiwi, but originally from South Auckland.
• 3:16
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So, um, he moved away from there.
• 3:19
  Isabelle Eustace: He grew up as a skinny white boy in O Tara and then, uh, then could have had an urge to leave.
• 3:26
  Isabelle Eustace: Went traveling for many, many, many years.
• 3:28
  Isabelle Eustace: Tattooed in Wellington a little bit, and then really on the south island.
• 3:31
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause he loved the mountains.
• 3:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Well, what a place to be.
• 3:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Tell me, when did you first meet Constellations?
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  Tracy Cartwright: I know it's, it, you know, obviously it has its roots, some of its roots in, in Germany, but what was your first introduction to it?
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  Isabelle Eustace: I was just listening to your podcast, thinking about my, my thinking when I grew up.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I didn't grow up with lots of traumas as such a kind of easy childhood as such.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Mm-hmm.
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  Isabelle Eustace: But maybe not super connected to my parents, but I couldn't say there was a lot of trauma.
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  Isabelle Eustace: But I did notice that my family becomes sports, so I, I'm very in the volleyball and I remember that that really became my ative, uh, family like, 'cause I kind of didn't feel very bonded to mine, I guess.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Even though I always said I'm very bonded with my mom, so I kind of got into the sports area, into physical and that gave me life energy and it gave me, uh, self-esteem and all that.
• 4:31
  Isabelle Eustace: So I went to university and I was very, like, I've never had anything to do with energy work or anything like I very scientific.
• 4:38
  Isabelle Eustace: Like my sports studies are sports science, but then slowly, slowly, like I've got a little bit into, um, rehabilitation and handicap sport and personality types, thinking, Hmm, why do these characters get cancer and others more heart attack this person?
• 4:54
  Isabelle Eustace: Personality types to that.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And I went more into the alternative health medicine.
• 4:59
  Isabelle Eustace: And in Germany it comes from the olden days of witches and so on.
• 5:03
  Isabelle Eustace: You, you can be a doctor or you have to do a degree, which is called a natural health practitioner.
• 5:10
  Isabelle Eustace: And only if you are that or that can you work with alternative medicine.
• 5:14
  Isabelle Eustace: You can't just do homeopathy.
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  Isabelle Eustace: You have to go to, um, the have a D as a natural health practitioner, which is really.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Quite tricky.
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  Isabelle Eustace: It's a bit like the first two years of becoming a GP and then you get tested in front of the city and a doctor and so on.
• 5:31
  Isabelle Eustace: Like your panel of four people asking you, somebody comes and has a headache, what do you do?
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  Isabelle Eustace: So that was pretty intense.
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  Isabelle Eustace: But that was my, my step alternative health.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And there I met this beautiful friend of mine, Daniel Shorter.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Was now also a trainer in Family Constellation.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And he said to me, no.
• 5:50
  Isabelle Eustace: Oh, there's this new modality.
• 5:51
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and before that I had a little bit touch points with was energy healing.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Like somebody who fixed something in my hand without even touching me.
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  Isabelle Eustace: It's like, what?
• 6:00
  Isabelle Eustace: And Diana said, yeah, come to this, um, workshop.
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  Isabelle Eustace: It's amazing.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And, uh, funny enough, now looking back, that was probably 1999, this first workshop, the teacher.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Was actually a distant relative of my grandma.
• 6:17
  Isabelle Eustace: It's like what?
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  Isabelle Eustace: Like she said, oh, I'm actually, I can't quite remember what the connection was.
• 6:22
  Isabelle Eustace: And even the first consolation I had there, I was chosen as a representative for the main figure and she forgot to switch me out.
• 6:31
  Isabelle Eustace: And I said, that was my constellation.
• 6:33
  Isabelle Eustace: That was so my constellation, it's kind of how it started.
• 6:37
  Isabelle Eustace: I was hooked.
• 6:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So how long after that did you decide that that was the path that you were gonna follow?
• 6:46
  Isabelle Eustace: I pretty much became a, I call like an addict.
• 6:50
  Isabelle Eustace: I just did a whole year, probably every constellation I could go to, I used to go to just for the experience.
• 6:57
  Isabelle Eustace: And then I never had the self esteem to bear with it.
• 7:00
  Isabelle Eustace: But then my friend said, I'm going to do this training.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Like, okay, I join you.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And that's how I started.
• 7:07
  Isabelle Eustace: Like, and, and I, the entry point was I kind of felt, I always had very unhappy relationships and I always felt.
• 7:14
  Isabelle Eustace: The men are not seeing me.
• 7:16
  Isabelle Eustace: And then I realized, Hmm, maybe I'm actually not really there.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So that kind of was an entry point for me to actually do a bit more internal work.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And so with the family consultation, it very quickly came to, okay, let's send, let's put up those.
• 7:31
  Isabelle Eustace: Unhappy relationships.
• 7:33
  Isabelle Eustace: That kind of was my side entry point.
• 7:36
  Isabelle Eustace: Um, yeah, of the inner, our work and the training was really interesting because I felt in the first year, like Constellation was me.
• 7:45
  Isabelle Eustace: It's like, oh, it was really hard work.
• 7:48
  Isabelle Eustace: It was really a lot.
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  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause then they had five days of you feel like every constellation is yours.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And in Germany, 80% of the constellation were war like.
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  Isabelle Eustace: There is so much war trauma.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Me being French and German, I was like the victims, I was the perpetrator.
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  Isabelle Eustace: I was everything all the time.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So I was very blessed when the second year constellation training happened and I got offered to be a, um, an assistant.
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  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause I felt that time I was a little bit more removed from my juicy stuff.
• 8:22
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
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  Isabelle Eustace: And I could be more in the training and the assistant.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So that was very valuable to me.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So we were before assistant.
• 8:30
  Isabelle Eustace: And, uh, still always felt, oh, how, how meant to work with this.
• 8:35
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm not used to energy work.
• 8:37
  Isabelle Eustace: And then Helen are very nice and, and ramers are my culture as well.
• 8:41
  Isabelle Eustace: They say no the, the top nos when they are not in the room, everybody can actually do it, but as long as you are surrounded by these great, you always feel you're not as good as them.
• 8:51
  Isabelle Eustace: So, um, yeah, we just started Daniel and me just, just us running little courses and in the midst of all that came New Zealand and me kind of after just starting with it, having to immigrate to New Zealand.
• 9:04
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, that was a bit bit harsh'cause I would describe my style very much as the beginning style where it's quite pure in a way and uses a lot of heer at the beginning.
• 9:16
  Isabelle Eustace: Used a lot of healing sentences.
• 9:18
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, I didn't even remember all his like, 'cause I'm so influenced by the beginning stages.
• 9:23
  Isabelle Eustace: I didn't even keep up with his later work where he was very much just energetically and he kind of seems to sense everything.
• 9:29
  Isabelle Eustace: I don't, so I usually just really ask the field.
• 9:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Isabelle Eustace: Wow.
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  Isabelle Eustace: But comes to me, which is so nice for me to watch it.
• 9:39
  Isabelle Eustace: So this was all like around 2000, 2002 is when I came here.
• 9:43
  Isabelle Eustace: When we were in the beginning phase of all that, we went to workshop, we went to the Congress with Bert Hellinger, and, and it was just for everything we wanted, like a sponge and then me coming here and then no, having a family, having to work for a living and, and family consideration always was more like a hobby.
• 10:01
  Isabelle Eustace: It has a multitude of reasons why, but I never seemed to be earning a living with it.
• 10:05
  Isabelle Eustace: And then, so I had this.
• 10:07
  Isabelle Eustace: 15 years of not working with it.
• 10:09
  Isabelle Eustace: We also went sailing and so on, and I had these kids, and now it kind of feels like a Rebus, like the whole energy's coming back and you kind of opening that lid.
• 10:19
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm going back, look, look at this.
• 10:21
  Isabelle Eustace: I really, oh wow.
• 10:24
  Isabelle Eustace: I have like seven of those.
• 10:26
  Isabelle Eustace: I need to get them on DVDs, but they're so, I'm, I'm looking to listening to them again and they're really such a treasure.
• 10:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you got A-A-A-V-H-S that you watch them on?
• 10:36
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 10:37
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, but I still to, um, this one, this one is really like, that's my favorite.
• 10:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Is it?
• 10:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Is it all?
• 10:42
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, it is.
• 10:43
  Isabelle Eustace: That's the same.
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  Isabelle Eustace: So I
• 10:44
  Tracy Cartwright: need to learn German before I can listen.
• 10:45
  Isabelle Eustace: That's the same.
• 10:46
  Isabelle Eustace: But this one, um, the to in there is a book out and it's called In English.
• 10:53
  Isabelle Eustace: Well that is, uh, like a lot to actually, all of it, probably to do with the Jewish and the Auschwitz and all.
• 11:01
  Isabelle Eustace: And so it's all the constellations talking to the victims and perpetrator and the ripper effects, and it's, oh my God, it's so
• 11:08
  Tracy Cartwright: amazing.
• 11:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I wonder if it's still available.
• 11:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Some of it not as easy to find.
• 11:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I can send it to you.
• 11:15
  Tracy Cartwright: I have it.
• 11:16
  Tracy Cartwright: I can send it to you.
• 11:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Otherwise,
• 11:18
  Isabelle Eustace: I had it at the first constellation where I came and I lent it to one of the, um, oh, what's her name?
• 11:24
  Isabelle Eustace: I think I it to, no, to the photographer.
• 11:27
  Isabelle Eustace: And she really like, um, witnessed statements in there.
• 11:31
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 11:31
  Isabelle Eustace: Because you often ask the question, what attracts you most?
• 11:34
  Isabelle Eustace: Uh, what are you drawn to in constellations?
• 11:37
  Isabelle Eustace: And so I was thinking about that.
• 11:39
  Isabelle Eustace: And, um, for me it's definitely perpetra perpetrator, victim, uh, healing because I've seen it so often, but like the, the like.
• 11:48
  Isabelle Eustace: The concept upward and probably many people grow up with perpetrator bad, victim, innocent.
• 11:53
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 11:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 11:55
  Isabelle Eustace: And I really, it's not just the mental understanding when I really felt it on a deep level when healing, I was like the, the healing when the souls finds the way together.
• 12:05
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 12:06
  Isabelle Eustace: And you unite these and the healing out of that to, to experience that.
• 12:10
  Isabelle Eustace: And in those positions.
• 12:12
  Isabelle Eustace: Also with my background of French and German, that is definitely something which draws me again and again and again.
• 12:18
  Isabelle Eustace: And the sentence he said, which really ruffled my feathers and a lot of feathers was the, the sentence victims can become the greater perpetrators.
• 12:30
  Tracy Cartwright: It is so true
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  Isabelle Eustace: and it's so, like you say that, and I still feel when I say it, it's like I know that society doesn't quite like that sentence.
• 12:38
  Tracy Cartwright: No, no.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Society wants them to be the victims and then they can play their little violins and everything is like it's all going that way.
• 12:43
  Tracy Cartwright: But actually.
• 12:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Perpetrators, are you, uh, victims, perpetrators generally?
• 12:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Not always, but generally.
• 12:51
  Tracy Cartwright: And then that's like you say, they become the bigger perpetrator, right?
• 12:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 12:55
  Isabelle Eustace: And for me, that lands very deep.
• 12:56
  Isabelle Eustace: And I remember seeing, like, I remember being in a, in a constellation, I think it was the sister.
• 13:02
  Isabelle Eustace: And so her sister got murdered.
• 13:05
  Isabelle Eustace: And I was in the consideration, the victim, the sister and murderer was there and like to feel this and to allow, to allow your mother, it's like a love story.
• 13:14
  Isabelle Eustace: I love this person and you kind of, you can't say that.
• 13:18
  Isabelle Eustace: And I was in his arms and it was a unity and it like, and that stayed with me as like, oh my God, if you take the, the mind and look away and really let just the energy go, that's
• 13:30
  Tracy Cartwright: big.
• 13:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. I remember doing, uh, with Barry crossed a constellation around schizophrenia.
• 13:37
  Tracy Cartwright: My family, there's schizophrenia in the family, so the field is schizophrenic, and I was so connected to the perpetrator, and my, my mind was saying, you should be more connected to the victim.
• 13:49
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, they're the ones that have experienced this, but my heart was so connected to the perpetrator and.
• 13:55
  Tracy Cartwright: And it made me tell over my life, I have kind of, of away in a way of nobody wants them in the family.
• 14:02
  Tracy Cartwright: There's a part of me that's been bringing them in.
• 14:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 14:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Energetically and a part of myself from my own, um, sexual abuse and, and there stuff like that that I experienced.
• 14:13
  Tracy Cartwright: There was this unconscious loyalty to the perpetrator the year as well.
• 14:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Perpetrators actually.
• 14:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 14:20
  Tracy Cartwright: It's fascinating, isn't it?
• 14:21
  Tracy Cartwright: When we think society says, you know this, this way, but actually think belongs.
• 14:26
  Tracy Cartwright: We can acknowledge that.
• 14:27
  Tracy Cartwright: We find that balance, that peace,
• 14:30
  Isabelle Eustace: and it feels soothing to me to kind of, with my, with my background recently, I think maybe two years ago through one of these online conferences, really got a taste of how protective my French family system was with not allowing me to even look to the perpetrator German side.
• 14:50
  Isabelle Eustace: It's the whole system.
• 14:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Which kind
• 14:52
  Isabelle Eustace: of kept me away.
• 14:53
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause I used to say, why am I never like, 'cause in Family Constellation, you just work with what comes up.
• 14:59
  Isabelle Eustace: So I start with something and boom, it goes to the French side, boom, it goes to the French side.
• 15:03
  Isabelle Eustace: Ah, every time I, I follow the energy, it just goes to the French side.
• 15:08
  Isabelle Eustace: Maybe we should just find out why I'm not allowed to look into the German side, and then it kind of is like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 15:16
  Isabelle Eustace: So, yeah, I, I have a very affinity to, or it soothes my heart that the perpetrators have a place.
• 15:25
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause I know it's in my background.
• 15:26
  Isabelle Eustace: It belongs to my, and not to just.
• 15:30
  Isabelle Eustace: Condemn it.
• 15:31
  Isabelle Eustace: Oh, you have perpetrator energy And to see everybody has it.
• 15:35
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Isabelle Eustace: That does something to my soul.
• 15:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:39
  Tracy Cartwright: And often people don't wanna admit that.
• 15:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 15:41
  Tracy Cartwright: No, I know.
• 15:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Especially when you come from good families.
• 15:45
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm doing, for those who are listening to this, I'm doing quite air quotation marks here.
• 15:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Good families, which is often, uh, trying to find a balance for something that has been not so good in the past.
• 15:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:58
  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, it's, yeah, there's good in not as all families.
• 16:03
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 16:03
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and that's the other thing from Family Constellation, for me it's kind of, it's, it's like a mm, that sounds a bit like a spiritual or like a religion.
• 16:12
  Isabelle Eustace: Like it has soothes my heart.
• 16:14
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 16:14
  Isabelle Eustace: Everything is okay.
• 16:15
  Isabelle Eustace: Everything has a place.
• 16:17
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 16:17
  Isabelle Eustace: Everything is how it is and, and really to take the good and the bad out of things.
• 16:23
  Isabelle Eustace: It is how Yeah.
• 16:24
  Isabelle Eustace: To really try to, to not.
• 16:27
  Isabelle Eustace: Use those too much.
• 16:28
  Isabelle Eustace: It's entanglement and less entanglement, whatever.
• 16:31
  Isabelle Eustace: But yeah, if I feel into that, I, I'm not always into that.
• 16:35
  Isabelle Eustace: You know, I'm, I live in the real world and I get angry and I, I judge and, but if I work, work every time, my ha my heart and we get so, so we are just part of something and we all have ours.
• 16:48
  Isabelle Eustace: Our little thing to carry,
• 16:50
  Tracy Cartwright: one of the most valuable things as a facilitator, right, is to be able to step outta the judgment.
• 16:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes, it's essential, yes, to a, uh, to facilitating.
• 16:58
  Tracy Cartwright: You have to step out of judgment, your own opinions, thoughts, and really feel what's there.
• 17:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it just shifts what's, you've become an empty vessel as a representative and also as a facilitator, I feel, because you, you're allowing yourself to foot zero, acknowledge what is and feels like magic, but.
• 17:18
  Tracy Cartwright: The medicine happens
• 17:19
  Isabelle Eustace: and that's, no, I listened to you and you come from energy work and it fits so well together.
• 17:25
  Isabelle Eustace: That was my learning lesson to kind of, uh, like I can kind of feel something, but to, to trust.
• 17:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Tracy Cartwright: That's the beauty take.
• 17:34
  Tracy Cartwright: We all come from different angles and come in with our own, uh, our own and, and pathways.
• 17:40
  Tracy Cartwright: And did you get to meet Bert Hellinger?
• 17:44
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, not as a one-on-one, but I, I met him on a conference.
• 17:48
  Isabelle Eustace: I was just talking to Dania, was it Woods Book or Berg?
• 17:51
  Isabelle Eustace: A huge conference.
• 17:53
  Isabelle Eustace: And so you kind of go under in the messes and they have the little, um, uh, breakout rooms as well where you do.
• 17:58
  Isabelle Eustace: And then there was so many interesting topics.
• 18:00
  Isabelle Eustace: Uh, no, where do you go?
• 18:01
  Isabelle Eustace: And so he was just in the big area with everybody doing his thing.
• 18:05
  Isabelle Eustace: And I have to say.
• 18:06
  Isabelle Eustace: For me, it feels a little bit, I just turned, turn this noise.
• 18:10
  Isabelle Eustace: Oh, sorry.
• 18:11
  Isabelle Eustace: For me it feels a little bit, um, I kind of feel, I went through all the videos I watched mm-hmm.
• 18:17
  Isabelle Eustace: And he could be harsh and it's like, oh.
• 18:19
  Isabelle Eustace: At the beginning I thought like my teacher Rama, he is a son Yassen, like Aho follower.
• 18:25
  Isabelle Eustace: So they're very used to working with energies again.
• 18:28
  Isabelle Eustace: And I was always in, or how can you feel this?
• 18:31
  Isabelle Eustace: But he was gentle.
• 18:33
  Isabelle Eustace: And Helena could be very, both, both very hard.
• 18:36
  Isabelle Eustace: I also really liked his humor.
• 18:39
  Isabelle Eustace: He had this little smile and this little humor and, and I know he, what he's doing, so I kind of feel I know him just through all the, um, constellation I watch and he is such, for me, he really is a priest.
• 18:52
  Isabelle Eustace: Like he has something so soothing when he talks and when he does his thing.
• 18:57
  Isabelle Eustace: It's like a serum.
• 18:59
  Isabelle Eustace: But yeah, I sometimes found him a bit and still, I still sometimes feel a bit harsh in how he deals with these people and how he pushes them.
• 19:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Gained a lot of followers, but he also made gained a lot of not fans.
• 19:12
  Tracy Cartwright: What would you call them?
• 19:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Critics.
• 19:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Critics,
• 19:14
  Isabelle Eustace: yeah.
• 19:15
  Isabelle Eustace: In Germany when he came up, like everybody was, um, criticizing him and he was saying that sometimes the prophets are only, uh, recognized out, out of outside their land.
• 19:25
  Isabelle Eustace: So not necessarily in Germany, but outside from Germany.
• 19:28
  Isabelle Eustace: He gets actually acknowledged for his work.
• 19:30
  Isabelle Eustace: Um, I, he was in the newspapers, especially with his, uh, with his, not to say that the perpetrators can be the greatest victim in Germany.
• 19:39
  Isabelle Eustace: Really to, and, and, and so see these sentences, but you have no context.
• 19:45
  Isabelle Eustace: So imagine the journalist, how they run with that.
• 19:47
  Isabelle Eustace: So he definitely had his critics and the other was incest, not to take the dad in there and give a place to somebody like that.
• 19:55
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, like that's a really hard one to understand if you don't understand the word to really need to include the bad.
• 20:04
  Isabelle Eustace: Father in a constellation and not cite with the pure, with the poor mother.
• 20:10
  Isabelle Eustace: And to actually see that some constellation, the mother sends the daughter instead of her like that is uh, that you can't digest that easily.
• 20:19
  Isabelle Eustace: So there was a lot of critics about it.
• 20:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely
• 20:23
  Isabelle Eustace: calm down.
• 20:24
  Isabelle Eustace: And then I remember there was one constellation where.
• 20:27
  Isabelle Eustace: The person in the constellation felt suicidal tendency and he committed suicide later on.
• 20:32
  Isabelle Eustace: So then hell, I was blamed.
• 20:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, how often does someone go to a.
• 20:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Psychologist or, or therapist.
• 20:38
  Tracy Cartwright: And they do that too.
• 20:40
  Tracy Cartwright: So, you know, it's just because
• 20:41
  Isabelle Eustace: he's more in the spotlight.
• 20:42
  Isabelle Eustace: So it was picked up.
• 20:43
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah,
• 20:43
  Tracy Cartwright: absolutely.
• 20:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 20:45
  Isabelle Eustace: It was in Cologne in 2006 with my teacher that he invited him.
• 20:49
  Isabelle Eustace: Um, and that was, I watched it on a video.
• 20:51
  Isabelle Eustace: It was such a cute, uh, intimate, uh, even he and him, it was such an intimate interaction when he was there.
• 20:59
  Isabelle Eustace: But I was already living in New Zealand.
• 21:01
  Isabelle Eustace: I sent you a mini clip, I think from the video.
• 21:03
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I get, there's quite a bit of information and there's quite a bit of misinformation, and I remember someone right back in the early days, one of my teachers said to me that he was such a private man that he never really spoke too much about his past because it was, for him that was an important, it was more the work that's coming forward.
• 21:24
  Tracy Cartwright: But what is your understanding?
• 21:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Because I, from my understanding that he, a young man who went to the war who wanted to be a priest, he went into the war.
• 21:33
  Tracy Cartwright: He was and then became a prisoner of war.
• 21:36
  Isabelle Eustace: Yes.
• 21:37
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Isabelle Eustace: So I just read a biography, which is really worth reading.
• 21:39
  Isabelle Eustace: I have the picture of, I, I didn't bring the book down, but it's such a nice picture.
• 21:44
  Isabelle Eustace: I can't remember all the details, but yes, he was a prisoner of war and he could have died three times, but he never died like in the afternoon.
• 21:51
  Isabelle Eustace: He was definitely in the midst of everything at the front.
• 21:54
  Isabelle Eustace: And he knows what it means to be a soldier and suffering and prisoner of war.
• 21:59
  Isabelle Eustace: And I remember his, that he was in this, um, train with everybody else and bought somewhere not so long ago.
• 22:06
  Isabelle Eustace: I do remember that he was a priest in Germany and uh, they were initially not required to go.
• 22:13
  Isabelle Eustace: He was in a monastery to the war.
• 22:15
  Isabelle Eustace: He was not.
• 22:15
  Isabelle Eustace: And so on.
• 22:17
  Isabelle Eustace: The later on and later on, they suddenly took these.
• 22:20
  Isabelle Eustace: Priest of the monastery to also decide, oh, well you have to be a soldier now.
• 22:25
  Isabelle Eustace: And so I like, I know mostly now of the book, it was always knowledge in the community that he, um, worked as a principal with the Zulus for long and he actually credited a lot of his.
• 22:37
  Isabelle Eustace: Um, his moving away from the priesthood to the Zulu living, he really rejected, uh, the, the, uh, lots of stuff from the Catholics later on.
• 22:47
  Isabelle Eustace: Uh, he became very critical of that because No, and I, I, I think his life in Africa was part of that, where he kind of connected to something else outside of the boundary.
• 22:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, they keep the memories, didn't they?
• 23:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Of, of, yeah.
• 23:03
  Tracy Cartwright: All of our ancestors, our ancient ancestors will have, would have done in time.
• 23:07
  Tracy Cartwright: That's diluted or diluted to the point that it's for many.
• 23:12
  Tracy Cartwright: It's not even well to connect with, but yeah.
• 23:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay, brilliant.
• 23:17
  Isabelle Eustace: What I do remember is that he used to always, especially at the beginning, he used to always say, okay, it is phenomenological work, so you work with what's there, and he says, normally the man stands there and the woman stands there.
• 23:30
  Isabelle Eustace: In this case it's different.
• 23:32
  Isabelle Eustace: And then you would smile.
• 23:34
  Isabelle Eustace: Or like with my teacher, like for the business, you usually always have a woman there.
• 23:39
  Isabelle Eustace: If you have a business constellation, the business is always a woman.
• 23:42
  Isabelle Eustace: And then I was you.
• 23:43
  Isabelle Eustace: I take a man.
• 23:45
  Isabelle Eustace: So he kind of had his laws, his, but he always emphasized you work with the energy there.
• 23:52
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Isabelle Eustace: Have an idea of a skeleton and then you kind of work along if it works or not.
• 23:57
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and he was always often say, oh, well in this instance there can be two women in this instance that I, I really like that he was very much acknowledging what is
• 24:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 24:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 24:09
  Tracy Cartwright: He was very structured at the beginning, wasn't he?
• 24:11
  Tracy Cartwright: And then it kind of expanded and involved.
• 24:13
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm still like
• 24:13
  Isabelle Eustace: that.
• 24:14
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm still, I think I'm still like that because it helps me to stay focused.
• 24:19
  Tracy Cartwright: So you say you go to a barbecue or you meet someone at a coffee group for the first time or something.
• 24:25
  Tracy Cartwright: How do you describe family Constellations to people?
• 24:29
  Isabelle Eustace: When they ask me what I do, I usually say massage therapist.
• 24:33
  Isabelle Eustace: It's just the same and not a pins, but, but yeah, it probably changes every time.
• 24:38
  Isabelle Eustace: But if I kind of think about it, I tend to say it's a modality where you can bring to light hidden dynamic.
• 24:47
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah, and with the hidden dynamics, you then have a chance to work on issues.
• 24:53
  Isabelle Eustace: I usually invite them to kind of feel it, and also I emphasize the systemic part that some, some fellow or some modalities look at systemic connections.
• 25:03
  Isabelle Eustace: But I really, really believe in systemic connections.
• 25:06
  Isabelle Eustace: If you want to work with a child which has issues at school, you can't just look at the child.
• 25:12
  Isabelle Eustace: You have to look at the system the child is in, which is the family and others.
• 25:18
  Isabelle Eustace: And so this work is, is a really great tool to have a look deeper into the systems.
• 25:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 25:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I was talking with someone yesterday who's, who's working with children but with the system and that's shifting the things with the children.
• 25:33
  Tracy Cartwright: So I
• 25:33
  Isabelle Eustace: think that's my passion.
• 25:34
  Isabelle Eustace: I would really like.
• 25:36
  Isabelle Eustace: To, to go a little bit into that.
• 25:38
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause I really feel for these children where, where everybody looks for the child, but it's like, it's not the child, it's just the symptom being,
• 25:46
  Tracy Cartwright: and that's, and that was things that, that Bert Hellinger.
• 25:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Observed, wasn't it?
• 25:51
  Tracy Cartwright: He observed that with the Zulus.
• 25:53
  Tracy Cartwright: It was that, you know, if, if, say if a child, the village or the came in front of the village because there was something going on, they were misbehaving or, or had done something, whatever you wanna call it, then they would look.
• 26:06
  Tracy Cartwright: What's going on around that child?
• 26:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Where, and what's going on in the village, what's going on in the community, the larger community.
• 26:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Whereas, uh, Western culture will go, that's a naughty child.
• 26:16
  Tracy Cartwright: It's needs to be medicated it, you know, like, oh, there's so much more.
• 26:22
  Tracy Cartwright: So much.
• 26:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Fascinating.
• 26:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you have a favorite facilitator?
• 26:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Someone that you follow a lot.
• 26:31
  Isabelle Eustace: I can't, like, I really like so very close to my heart and I always channel him as Rama just because he's also, but I really enjoy, I really aligned with Susie, Susan, um, uh, you do Ming.
• 26:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 26:46
  Isabelle Eustace: At the point, like just her, her energy, her way of that really resonated.
• 26:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Suzy Tucker I really liked.
• 26:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 26:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Tracy Cartwright: I've worked with both of them too.
• 26:56
  Tracy Cartwright: They're amazing.
• 26:57
  Isabelle Eustace: They, they really have a energy or know how, how I can Yeah.
• 27:02
  Isabelle Eustace: Align to
• 27:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Brilliant, brilliant.
• 27:05
  Isabelle Eustace: I quite like your energy, but I haven't seen your work yet.
• 27:09
  Tracy Cartwright: I, I think there's a few that could say that at the intensive, uh, I was due to have to run a workshop on the first day, second day had the opening, and then the second day, and I lost my voice.
• 27:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Completely.
• 27:23
  Tracy Cartwright: I had lost my voice and it was a buildup of things, but it was, I mean there was, there's some really good bit, but there was also like, ah, I can't even run a workshop.
• 27:32
  Tracy Cartwright: I did do a sound bath amazingly enough, and normally I use my voice to tone and, and bring in sound in sound bath, but what I did was I delegated to the, my team and so I had some instruments that I didn't have to use p wind and, and then I got someone to play the wind instruments and I got someone else to use their voice for the toning.
• 27:54
  Tracy Cartwright: And it was beautiful.
• 27:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Tracy Cartwright: There was a few people saying, I was so looking forward to your workshop.
• 27:58
  Tracy Cartwright: And it was like, me too.
• 28:00
  Isabelle Eustace: Actually.
• 28:00
  Isabelle Eustace: This dramatic side of what you do is starting to attract me.
• 28:03
  Isabelle Eustace: And I have a, a, a vague feeling that somewhere in my past, I'm discovering now since two years.
• 28:10
  Isabelle Eustace: Are some witch energies.
• 28:12
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause I remember my grandma giving me a book about healing herbs and I for really thought, oh, I want to work with herbs and healing and so on.
• 28:19
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and now I'm getting really into the sounds and the healing Yeah.
• 28:24
  Isabelle Eustace: Of, of shamanic energy.
• 28:25
  Isabelle Eustace: But.
• 28:26
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm a bit on the Western side as well, thinking it's just too spooky for me.
• 28:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh.
• 28:30
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, there was a lot of resistance.
• 28:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I know.
• 28:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Just step into that.
• 28:34
  Tracy Cartwright: I was like, oh, I don't wanna be seen.
• 28:36
  Tracy Cartwright: I've already read enough.
• 28:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Do I wanna be seen?
• 28:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Like, and it just got more and more, you know, the more I resisted it, the, the bigger it got, like, oh, overwhelming.
• 28:45
  Tracy Cartwright: And to the point that I had, I ended up with big issues and my thyroid.
• 28:50
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause I wasn't.
• 28:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Letting the sounds out and I wasn't being authentic in myself.
• 28:55
  Tracy Cartwright: So, uh, yeah, I highly recommend you, you tune in and listen to your body, what it's telling you.
• 29:01
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and for the drumming for drum, she, this here already.
• 29:03
  Tracy Cartwright: I did not want to make a drum.
• 29:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I did not want to play a drum.
• 29:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, wow.
• 29:08
  Tracy Cartwright: I'd had beautiful experiences when I was really young.
• 29:11
  Tracy Cartwright: My cousin was the drummer for Tim and Neil Finn, you know, from Split Ends.
• 29:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 29:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Before they become split ends, they used to practice in my grandmother's garage.
• 29:20
  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, and I would sneak in.
• 29:22
  Tracy Cartwright: I was, I was only about four.
• 29:24
  Tracy Cartwright: I'd sneak in and I'd be hiding behind the, the bales and I'd bring them, and then in the breaks, my cousin would let me go and play on the drums.
• 29:30
  Tracy Cartwright: I love that.
• 29:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And then as I got older and I, and I started more on journey, people would say, oh, you are really shaman.
• 29:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Why don't you play the drum?
• 29:38
  Tracy Cartwright: And they'd gimme a drum and a circle and stuff.
• 29:40
  Tracy Cartwright: And I'd go, mm, no, no, no, no.
• 29:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I didn't wanna own that.
• 29:43
  Tracy Cartwright: I wasn't owning that label.
• 29:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 29:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, I felt like there was so much more that needed to happen and in this lifetime I'm, you know, maybe in another lifetime.
• 29:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 29:51
  Tracy Cartwright: And then one day I woke up.
• 29:53
  Tracy Cartwright: I had this very clear voice that had said to me, you need to make a drum.
• 29:57
  Tracy Cartwright: And I was like, what the, I don't wanna make a drum.
• 30:00
  Tracy Cartwright: But it was, I know there, this, there was particular voices that, that, uh, very clear and I argued with them.
• 30:07
  Tracy Cartwright: I ended up going outta circles and getting myself into a bit of trouble, so.
• 30:11
  Tracy Cartwright: So I found a drum drum and made a drum love with it, and then I made another drum and held more circles.
• 30:17
  Tracy Cartwright: And then now I'm a, I'm a drum doer.
• 30:20
  Isabelle Eustace: I absolutely love them.
• 30:21
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Isabelle Eustace: Inspiration.
• 30:23
  Isabelle Eustace: We'll see when I get that voice.
• 30:25
  Isabelle Eustace: Or,
• 30:26
  Tracy Cartwright: or the brock.
• 30:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, it had been the, the voice that had saved many times.
• 30:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, I, I was, uh, living on the edge for a very long time.
• 30:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 30:36
  Tracy Cartwright: And, um, yeah, I had, I had some very close near death experiences, and it was a voice that had kind of made me go, oh, okay, all right, I've gotta go in this direction, or, no, I can't go out here.
• 30:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Or, okay.
• 30:49
  Tracy Cartwright: And then something really major catastrophized happen.
• 30:51
  Tracy Cartwright: So, yeah.
• 30:53
  Tracy Cartwright: So it was that.
• 30:54
  Tracy Cartwright: That was also like, this is the direction you're going and make a drum.
• 30:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, really?
• 30:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 31:00
  Tracy Cartwright: I love it.
• 31:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Seems, seems that life is a little easier when I listen.
• 31:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Tracy Cartwright: And they don't have to yell at me anymore.
• 31:07
  Tracy Cartwright: All they say.
• 31:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 31:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Some facilitators have certain, um, themes that they work with a lot.
• 31:15
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like some facilitators are trauma specialists or, or they work with addiction or maybe they work with couples or.
• 31:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Or children, is there you find or that you lean towards or that you find that shows up a lot in your work?
• 31:32
  Isabelle Eustace: I think it goes through waves and at the moment it's a lot of, of excluded things.
• 31:39
  Isabelle Eustace: Things which haven't been acknowledged.
• 31:41
  Isabelle Eustace: And it is a no.
• 31:42
  Isabelle Eustace: There is, even recently, there is a lot of, um, portrayal energy, if you would call it, and we don't quite know what happened, but it's very clear that something bad happened and then you include the, the victim or the, the part to it.
• 31:57
  Isabelle Eustace: Suddenly there is healing.
• 31:58
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 31:58
  Isabelle Eustace: So, yeah.
• 31:59
  Isabelle Eustace: And funny enough, at the moment there's also abortions a lot.
• 32:05
  Isabelle Eustace: But yeah, it goes through waves.
• 32:06
  Isabelle Eustace: I feel, I wouldn't really say there's one, but I kind of have a, a subtle feeling that whatever's in my aura comes kind of to me for a little while.
• 32:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:19
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm, I'm often amazed and I dunno why I'm amazed at it.
• 32:21
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause it happens how sometimes I can be working through things and then boom, there's a client and then there's the next one's got something.
• 32:29
  Tracy Cartwright: The next step of that and then the, and we're like, oh, isn't amazing.
• 32:33
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, I'm feeling into this for them and then I'm showing being shown the next step for myself as well.
• 32:38
  Isabelle Eustace: And then you have a little moment thinking.
• 32:40
  Isabelle Eustace: I hope I follow the energy and I didn't bring mine in here and then Yeah.
• 32:46
  Isabelle Eustace: But it was so clear, the energy of the field.
• 32:48
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Isabelle Eustace: But, um, I, I love working with groups.
• 32:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Really love.
• 32:51
  Isabelle Eustace: That's my passion.
• 32:52
  Isabelle Eustace: I love working with groups because I also, first of all, I can stay out of the energy more and guided more.
• 32:58
  Isabelle Eustace: So when I do one-to-one, I kind of step into the places and out and in.
• 33:02
  Isabelle Eustace: But then I get slight moments where I think, oh no, I have just worked on that.
• 33:07
  Isabelle Eustace: It's strange that it comes up in this consolation again and in groups it's, I trust a bit more.
• 33:14
  Isabelle Eustace: It's so awesome what these people give you.
• 33:16
  Isabelle Eustace: It is like, oh my God, it is so on the spot.
• 33:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:19
  Tracy Cartwright: So you hold groups in Nelson.
• 33:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you wanna share a little bit about that for the listeners?
• 33:24
  Tracy Cartwright: For if there's anyone down there that's to, to get hold of
• 33:27
  Isabelle Eustace: you?
• 33:27
  Isabelle Eustace: Uh, yeah.
• 33:27
  Isabelle Eustace: So I have my next one on the 2nd of August.
• 33:30
  Isabelle Eustace: It's just a day workshop.
• 33:31
  Isabelle Eustace: I used to do a little bit, um, just introduction evenings, just to get a little bit no of an idea.
• 33:37
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and also price is always issue and there little introduction, I could do them quite cheap and people get a bit of an idea what we are working with.
• 33:45
  Isabelle Eustace: Um, and so that it kind of has a little bit more, um.
• 33:49
  Isabelle Eustace: Profile, so it kind of ripples along.
• 33:51
  Isabelle Eustace: And so, um, the 2nd of August, yeah, it's, uh, a day workshop here, right in town at the Chorus Center.
• 33:58
  Isabelle Eustace: And then my weekend workshop is on the, I think it's the ninth, 10th, 11th of November.
• 34:04
  Isabelle Eustace: We'll probably do most likely Friday evenings as a check in.
• 34:08
  Isabelle Eustace: And then Saturday, Sunday.
• 34:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Wonderful.
• 34:10
  Tracy Cartwright: And so if someone wanted to get hold of you, how would they do that?
• 34:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 34:13
  Isabelle Eustace: at the moment it's based my email address because I'm working with a lady on my, I thought I had a domain name and had it all on the way and suddenly something else pops up.
• 34:22
  Isabelle Eustace: So I'm working on my website because the domain name I wanted and paid for for three years seems to be hosting something else.
• 34:29
  Isabelle Eustace: And I said, oh, I can't deal with it now, but I'm dealing with it.
• 34:32
  Isabelle Eustace: So no website at the moment.
• 34:34
  Isabelle Eustace: Uh, and so email would be Nelson constellation@gmail.com.
• 34:39
  Isabelle Eustace: Fantastic.
• 34:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 34:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Gosh, it is ING an hour already.
• 34:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Can't believe it's just gone so fast.
• 34:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there anything that you would suggest to people.
• 34:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Something that they could do at home, something that they could a little practice or, or not.
• 34:57
  Tracy Cartwright: I don't know if that's something that you do offer people.
• 34:59
  Isabelle Eustace: It's an interesting question.
• 35:02
  Isabelle Eustace: That's an interesting question and I bounce in between that for often.
• 35:06
  Isabelle Eustace: 'cause now we are all constellated so we could kind of consulate our own stuff and every very rarely I do it, but very often I go into this Ner Hellness.
• 35:17
  Isabelle Eustace: Like agree with what's it, don't think you need to do something.
• 35:21
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm very often in between.
• 35:23
  Isabelle Eustace: Why do I actually like, no, I, I use a v actually very rarely.
• 35:29
  Isabelle Eustace: I'm very, and I'm, I still don't quite have an answer.
• 35:32
  Isabelle Eustace: Why?
• 35:32
  Isabelle Eustace: When I do, it's quite enlightening usually, but kind of, I don't know.
• 35:37
  Isabelle Eustace: I kind of still have the feeling of.
• 35:39
  Isabelle Eustace: Not diluting it too much.
• 35:41
  Isabelle Eustace: I dunno.
• 35:42
  Isabelle Eustace: It's my feeling.
• 35:43
  Isabelle Eustace: I, I know there's judgment in this.
• 35:45
  Tracy Cartwright: No judgment.
• 35:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Is it your judgment?
• 35:47
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Isabelle Eustace: Probably.
• 35:48
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Isabelle Eustace: Why?
• 35:49
  Isabelle Eustace: Why I'm not using it.
• 35:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Isabelle Eustace: And I'm also now noticing that I'm only just slightly starting to use, um, resources.
• 36:01
  Isabelle Eustace: Linga was very pure with his interrupted movements and he, like, in the early days, he never resourced.
• 36:08
  Isabelle Eustace: Then I learned the, the, the ness and the niceness of resourcing through the international Constellation community.
• 36:16
  Isabelle Eustace: And, and I, I, I know how nice it can be, and then I catch myself all the time staying there, hanging out and not resourcing and waiting for this live energy to do it or to just hold the space.
• 36:31
  Isabelle Eustace: And it's like, why have I not resourced again?
• 36:34
  Isabelle Eustace: I could have put something nice in there.
• 36:36
  Isabelle Eustace: And I kind of have the feeling it's probably the same thing.
• 36:40
  Isabelle Eustace: I can't even, that's a really interesting question I'm pregnant with.
• 36:44
  Isabelle Eustace: I don't, is the answer.
• 36:46
  Isabelle Eustace: I don't, when I finish a constellation, I usually tell them, this picture you have and this feeling you have, just take it with you the next seven evenings and just feel into that and just meditate into that.
• 36:57
  Isabelle Eustace: So that's what I do,
• 37:00
  Tracy Cartwright: but otherwise I don't.
• 37:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you invite them to.
• 37:05
  Tracy Cartwright: So I would say to someone not to think about it for a week, not to talk about it, not share it.
• 37:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Or if you think, if you think about the session that we've had and you, and you try to analyze it and pull it apart.
• 37:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Don't do that.
• 37:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Find another way.
• 37:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Be I say to them, think of ice cream flavors.
• 37:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Colors, yeah.
• 37:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Name them too.
• 37:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Fruity, hokey pokey, chocolate chip, whatever.
• 37:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Something to keep your mind out of pulling the constellation apart.
• 37:33
  Tracy Cartwright: And then the reason not to think about it is not to talk about it is'cause, not 'cause it's a secret, but.
• 37:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Because it allows it to settle.
• 37:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 37:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Gives your feel a little bit of time.
• 37:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Is that, how would you describe that to people?
• 37:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Ms? Yeah.
• 37:46
  Isabelle Eustace: I have two parts in that, and often, very often there's a confusion because they cannot understand what happened there.
• 37:54
  Isabelle Eustace: If it's a secret in the field, which I really seem to have a lot, and if you have addiction and then suddenly it goes to something I, they have no idea what it was, but you can see that the energy is there.
• 38:05
  Isabelle Eustace: Then they're all confused.
• 38:06
  Isabelle Eustace: And I say to them, Halen, I said, it's really awesome to be confused because then you have a chance for something new to come up.
• 38:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 38:14
  Isabelle Eustace: So I usually just say, hang out with the confusion.
• 38:16
  Isabelle Eustace: Try not to put it in a box.
• 38:18
  Isabelle Eustace: I try to embrace it as something good because now you opened a lit to something and something new can get created.
• 38:24
  Isabelle Eustace: I try for them to not, uh, talk too much about it because you diffuse the energy, but I really try to hold them to the healing picture.
• 38:33
  Isabelle Eustace: And the healing emulsion.
• 38:35
  Tracy Cartwright: So
• 38:36
  Isabelle Eustace: if you felt the power you felt when you turned around and you looked into life, hold that feed into that for seven days in a row.
• 38:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Or
• 38:45
  Isabelle Eustace: the healing picture.
• 38:46
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Isabelle Eustace: To see, oh, this is the order of my family.
• 38:49
  Isabelle Eustace: This is how my family looks and fears.
• 38:51
  Isabelle Eustace: Oh, when it's in order.
• 38:53
  Isabelle Eustace: Yeah.
• 38:54
  Isabelle Eustace: I say to them, just take that with you and just feel it for the next seven days.
• 38:58
  Isabelle Eustace: Don't do anything with it.
• 38:59
  Isabelle Eustace: Just feel it.
• 39:00
  Isabelle Eustace: That's your healing movement.
• 39:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, brilliant.
• 39:03
  Tracy Cartwright: That's very cool.
• 39:04
  Tracy Cartwright: I think we'll have, we'll leave it there.
• 39:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, it's been amazing to talk with you today and to share and, and just to check in and look forward to.
• 39:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Tracy Cartwright: I hope the listeners have received some insight and have the opportunity to meet, uh, Isabel some time in the future.
• 39:20
  Isabelle Eustace: Thank you so much.
• 39:21
  Isabelle Eustace: It's nice to get to know you.
• 39:22
  Isabelle Eustace: I have the advantage of listening to you every, every podcast.
• 39:26
  Isabelle Eustace: Thank you for inviting me.
• 39:28
  Tracy Cartwright: You are welcome.
• 39:29
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• 39:31
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• 39:39
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• 39:52
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