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Credlin | 25 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Where would we be without Chris Kenny Keny the ABC Honest?
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Speaker 2: All right, good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up tonight on Kredline. More petrol stations are running
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Speaker 2: out of fuel as premiers around the country demand national action.
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Speaker 2: Another bad day too for Chris Bowen in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: as his incompetence goes from a side show to a
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Speaker 2: full blown crisis fall out continuing today too, from Labour's
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Speaker 2: free trade deal with the EU. Farming groups call it
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Speaker 2: a dud, a kick in the guts when pushed today
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Speaker 2: though the government also denied there was climate commitments in
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Speaker 2: the deal. But clearly they haven't read what they've signed
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Speaker 2: Australia up to.
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Speaker 3: I've got the National.
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Speaker 2: Leader Matt Canavan joined me on this tonight. Plus Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump signals it talks with the Iranian regime have progressed
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Speaker 2: while Iran deniers.
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Speaker 3: Have even taken place. So what is happening?
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Speaker 2: And he's a climate changer emperor who's got no clothes
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Speaker 2: and apparently no shame either, as he's blaming everyone but
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Speaker 2: himself for our fuel crisis.
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Speaker 4: Some of it has been panicked buying. Some of it
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Speaker 4: has been people getting ahead of price rises, some of
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Speaker 4: it has been farmers stocking up, which is fair enough.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because, along with everything else,
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Speaker 2: he Iran War has fully exposed the manifest inadequacies of
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Speaker 2: the Albanezer government. I mean, where do we start. A
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Speaker 2: government that failed to anticipate what was coming, failed to
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Speaker 2: prepare for the likely consequences, failed to give itself any
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Speaker 2: leverage over events, and it is now running around like
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Speaker 2: the proverbial headler's chok, playing catch up in circumstances that
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Speaker 2: should have been foreseen and prepared for. Parliament today was
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Speaker 2: again dominated by the fact that we are fast running
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Speaker 2: out of fuel, with more than five hundred servos out
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Speaker 2: of diesel, unlettered or both.
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Speaker 5: How many service stations have to be out of fuel
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Speaker 5: before the Minister will use his powers to require mandated
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Speaker 5: reporting of disruption and the immediate domestic redistribution of stock
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Speaker 5: to where it is needed.
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Speaker 2: When will the Minister take action to ensure fuel gets
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Speaker 2: to where it is needed?
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Speaker 5: When will the Prime Minister take action to ensure that
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Speaker 5: fuel gets to the almost five hundred service stations that
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Speaker 5: have run dry.
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Speaker 2: Even Iranian state media yesterday, we're mocking Australia with stories
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Speaker 2: about bows is empty on the Gold Coast. Inevitably, the
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Speaker 2: green fanatics that now run labor are using the fuel
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Speaker 2: crisis to say that this proves we need an even
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Speaker 2: faster move to renewables. But even if we could afford it,
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Speaker 2: the logistics have change. Given that ninety percent of our
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Speaker 2: total energy still comes from fossil fuels, Well that's made impossible.
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Speaker 2: Fossil fuels don't just run cars in power electricity. They're
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Speaker 2: the feedstock for the fertilizer that keeps eight billion people
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Speaker 2: alive on the planet, and for the plastics that are
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Speaker 2: an essential ingredient in all modern life and almost every day.
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Speaker 2: Despite the endless ranting that renewables is supposedly the cheapest
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Speaker 2: form of power, there's more evidence of the astronomical cost
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Speaker 2: of this green transition.
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Speaker 3: Earlier this week.
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Speaker 2: There was a report that the extra transmission lines alone
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Speaker 2: that are needed for our dispersed energy grid would add
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Speaker 2: some six hundred a year to every households already out
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Speaker 2: of control power bill. Today, the announcement too that the
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Speaker 2: government will now subsidize Rio Tinto's Gladstone aluminium smelter the
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Speaker 2: tune of two billion dollars over the next decade, because
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Speaker 2: that's the extra cost of moving from reliable, qualified power
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Speaker 2: to a system that firms unreliable intermittent wind and solar.
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Speaker 2: On top of last week's report that keeping open Rio's
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Speaker 2: Tomago smelter in the Hunter would also mean subsidies, this
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Speaker 2: one an ongoing subsidy of at least three hundred million
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Speaker 2: a year. Now, how dare Chris Bowen keep peddling the
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Speaker 2: lie that renewables are cheap when using renewables to power
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Speaker 2: one's economic heavy industry now means gargantuan taxpayer subsidies. This
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Speaker 2: is the government that simply refuses to face the reality
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Speaker 2: that this country runs on diesel. In part, it's our geography.
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Speaker 2: It's also vital for industries like agriculture and mining that
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Speaker 2: pay our way in the world and give us our hospitals,
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Speaker 2: our schools, our pensions, the high standard of living that
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Speaker 2: no one in this.
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Speaker 3: Country wants to give up.
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Speaker 2: But despite our diesel reality, that didn't stop Industry Minister
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Speaker 2: Tim Ayre's claiming that fuel shortages we're a right wing
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Speaker 2: conspiracy and just get yourself an ev instead.
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Speaker 6: What is really going on is the extreme right wing
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Speaker 6: One Nation party National Party Liberal Party approach to this,
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Speaker 6: which is to deceive Australians, to deceive Australians about what
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Speaker 6: is really going on here is making a difference for
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Speaker 6: ordinary households who are able to access electric vehicles, who
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Speaker 6: drive past petrol stations and see the signs on the
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Speaker 6: petrol stations.
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Speaker 3: That is a fuel security measure right there. Now.
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Speaker 2: Even if you have the spare cash to take that advice,
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Speaker 2: it's no solution because you might be able to drive
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Speaker 2: to the shops in your EV, but there'd be nothing
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Speaker 2: on the shelves to buy because Australia's goods distribution network
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Speaker 2: wholly depends on diesel powered trucks. Last week's emergency National
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Speaker 2: Cabinet meeting was obviously nothing more than a photo whop
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Speaker 2: because today all the premiers were bemoaning the Albanezi governments
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Speaker 2: need to do more or to do things differently. And
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Speaker 2: yet again, as it did following the terrible events at Bondi,
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Speaker 2: it was Labour's own New South Wales Premier, Chris Mins
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Speaker 2: who showed up the PM's lack of leadership.
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Speaker 7: We need to make sure that if they're going to
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Speaker 7: be demand management measures that are put in place.
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Speaker 8: They need to be done on a national level, so
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Speaker 8: their credit.
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Speaker 7: The Commonwealth has accepted that, and if it's required in
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Speaker 7: the week's ahead, I'm confident that it will be a
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Speaker 7: national approach.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Mens looks like the only grown up left
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Speaker 2: in the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: We are in a crisis.
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Speaker 2: It'll only get worse if the Hall moves straight stays blocked. Now,
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Speaker 2: spin it whatever way you like, but Australia was completely
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Speaker 2: unprepared for the long warned about global fuel drought, mostly
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Speaker 2: because the Lanes government regards fossil fuels as a threat
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Speaker 2: to be extinguished rather than the essential means of modern life.
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Speaker 2: It's crystal clear what must be done even now. One
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Speaker 2: Rapidly build more liquid fuel storage on shore in Australia
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Speaker 2: to get the ninety day reserve required by the Energy Treaty.
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Speaker 2: Two rapidly develop more oil and gas field again here
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Speaker 2: in Australia so that we could meet any future Persian
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Speaker 2: Gulf crisis rather than be devastated as we are now.
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Speaker 2: And three rapidly strengthen our military so that we could
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Speaker 2: help reopen the Strait rather than be a pathetic bystander
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Speaker 2: to events that will make or mar our future. The
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Speaker 2: chances of the alban Easy government doing any of this
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Speaker 2: precisely zero, because labor is far better at politics than
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Speaker 2: they are at government, far better at putting out a
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Speaker 2: press release that actually getting things done, and they are
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Speaker 2: totally captured by the green left ideology. Look last night
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Speaker 2: I pointed out that the EU trade Deal could well
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Speaker 2: be set up as a backdoor way to enforce compliance
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Speaker 2: with UN climate targets. Today, in an interview with my
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Speaker 2: colleague Kieran Gilbert, the Energy Minister insisted there was nothing
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Speaker 2: about climate in the FTA.
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Speaker 1: Does this now formalize our emissions targets in the agreement
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Speaker 1: with the EU and in the sense that it could
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Speaker 1: penalize us if we don't.
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Speaker 4: No, no, it doesn't do that at all. But what
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Speaker 4: it does do is just highlight that sensible governments of
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Speaker 4: adults around the world believe in climate change and taking
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Speaker 4: action on it.
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Speaker 1: Alex remains voluntary from us.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely no impact on our domestic climate policies.
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Speaker 1: There's no legal rook I mean if we don't now
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Speaker 1: meet them, we face penalties. Nothing in any way, No.
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Speaker 2: Okay, nothing, nothing by God, Chris Bowen is slippery, slippery
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Speaker 2: and either deliberately lying about what's in the agreement or
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Speaker 2: willfully ignorant of the detail. Because if you look carefully
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Speaker 2: at the defat website, the government's own trade website, you'll
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Speaker 2: find this document. It's called Australia European Union Free Trade
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Speaker 2: Agreement Benefits for Trade, Environment and Climate and off the
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Speaker 2: top of the document it says this, for the first
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Speaker 2: time in a free trade agreement, Australia and the EU
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Speaker 2: have made a binding commitment to implement obligations under the
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Speaker 2: Paris Agreement on climate change. Now, what's more, in the
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Speaker 2: official trade document, we learn that the EU Free Trade
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Speaker 2: Agreement can be suspended, which means sanctions or penalties imposed
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Speaker 2: for quote serious violations of climate obligations are under the
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Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. Remember Chris Bowen's interview there this morning with
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Speaker 2: my colleague. Well, the documents on the website completely contradict
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Speaker 2: the minister. So then I go to the EU's website,
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Speaker 2: not Australia's, to the EU's and we find this in
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Speaker 2: relation to the deal with Australia, and it says the
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Speaker 2: free trade agreement includes a binding commitment to respect the
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Speaker 2: Paris Climate Agreement. So, even if we're generous to Bowen,
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Speaker 2: we assume here he's too lazy to have read the
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Speaker 2: detail of this trade deal. Surely he was then listing
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Speaker 2: when the EU President addressed the Parliament because he was
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Speaker 2: in the chamber.
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Speaker 3: He was there when she said this.
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Speaker 9: I am proud that we have made decub on his
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Speaker 9: zationion a defining pillar of our free trade agreement.
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Speaker 2: Dear carbonization, a founding pillar of the agreement. So what's
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Speaker 2: Bowen doing denying that the trade deal has nothing in
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Speaker 2: it about the climate? There, you're president, there bell the cat.
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Speaker 2: And if this is not right, she's the one telling
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Speaker 2: the thiebs and not the minister. Then why the penalty
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Speaker 2: clause that I showed you earlier quote for serious violations
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Speaker 2: of climate obligations under the Paris Agreement? Chris Bowen, I
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Speaker 2: mean lazy, incompetent or dishonest. I suspect it's all three.
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Speaker 2: Look at him wearing his glasses in the interview, trying
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Speaker 2: to look smart. He's not smart. Accord him out yet again.
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Speaker 2: Oh goodness, may let's go to Camper now for the
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Speaker 2: headline skynies. Political reporter Ruben spargo.
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Speaker 10: The Energy Minister says fuel rationing would only be considered
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Speaker 10: in a worst case scenario. Pressure is mounting for a
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Speaker 10: coordinated response as more petrol stations run dry across the country.
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Speaker 4: There's a range of actions available to government. Rationing would
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Speaker 4: be the absolute worst case.
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Speaker 10: One nation is calling on the government to activate the
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Speaker 10: Liquid Fuel Emergency Act.
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Speaker 3: We're not hearing the truth from this government. If we
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Speaker 3: enact this.
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Speaker 5: My understanding of it as well that they will have
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Speaker 5: to put a daily price in the fuel.
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Speaker 10: National Cabinet is set to meet again next week. As
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Speaker 10: the fuel crisis deepens, The Treasurer is warning the war
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Speaker 10: in the Middle East will keep inflation higher for longer.
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Speaker 10: Jim Chalmers has conceded a five percent scenario could prove conservative.
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Speaker 5: I've asked for some more challenging circumstances to be modeled.
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Speaker 10: Inflation eased slightly in February, but the figures don't yet
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Speaker 10: reflect the surge and energy prices.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's stick with camera and the news there. With
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Speaker 2: fuel dominating again much of the parliamentary day, you'll see
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Speaker 2: on the screen the most accurate data we have for
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Speaker 2: fuel shortages across the country and joining me now our
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Speaker 2: Sky News senior reporter Caroen, the Marcus and National Affairs
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Speaker 2: editor at the David to Telegraph Sky News host of
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Speaker 2: course James Morrow. James, you would have heard in my
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Speaker 2: editorial there that the opposition has really started to take
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Speaker 2: pressure on up to Chris Bowen in Question Time today.
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Speaker 2: He is an absolute liability in all of this stuff here,
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Speaker 2: and he's been shown up yet again at a state
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Speaker 2: level by Chris Mins and of course by David christophili
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Speaker 2: out of Queensland as well. They want a national approach
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Speaker 2: to this crisis.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: Demand management procedures are required. That might be rationing, that
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Speaker 7: might be working from home, it might be other programs
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Speaker 7: or remedies that we can introduce into the marketplace. We're
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Speaker 7: firmly of the belief that it should be a nationally
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Speaker 7: consistent approach.
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Speaker 9: And all we're after is a national plan to make
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Speaker 9: sure that there's visibility of where fuel's flowing, because it
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Speaker 9: is a crisis and it does need action. Now it's
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Speaker 9: been a week since the Prime Minister convened everyone together
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Speaker 9: and it's been somebody appointed in that role. We really
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Speaker 9: want to see the upping of information.
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Speaker 2: Christopher is right there James for weeks since that meeting,
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Speaker 2: the meeting that Chris Bowen never even fronted at a
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Speaker 2: despite being the Energy minister. You've got this fuel zar
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Speaker 2: in place, and I think it's going to hell in
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Speaker 2: a handcut. Nothing else is happening at a national level
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Speaker 2: beyond pickfax and talk well.
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Speaker 11: And that's the really ironic thing here, Peter, is that
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Speaker 11: there is in fact a national fuel emergency plan. They
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Speaker 11: do have a document. It dates back to twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 11: The Albanesi government fought tooth and nail to keep it
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Speaker 11: from being released through the FI process, but it is
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Speaker 11: now out there. And this is a document that they
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Speaker 11: do seem to have been following because it does call
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Speaker 11: for things like reducing the requirements for low sulfur and
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Speaker 11: petrol and the flashpoint for diesel, and you know a
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Speaker 11: number of other things that they started to do, including
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Speaker 11: allowing petrol companies to speak to one another to coordinate
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Speaker 11: their movement of fuel. But you know, the next things
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Speaker 11: in this are in fact rationing. They say, you know,
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Speaker 11: forty dollars is the limit, is what is suggested in
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Speaker 11: this document, which they don't deny is the document, but
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Speaker 11: they deny that they're following it, and it's all very
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Speaker 11: slippery and I don't think people should have very much
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Speaker 11: confidence in this. Yes, good on Chris Binns. Yes, good
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Speaker 11: on David Chris fully for saying, you know, we need
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Speaker 11: a national approach to this. We have a national framework
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Speaker 11: for this through national cabinet. It worked through COVID. Some
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Speaker 11: would say it worked a little too well for a
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Speaker 11: little too long, but that's another story. This is, though
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Speaker 11: there is a plan, they do seem to be following it.
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Speaker 11: It's that they're denying it and not talking to people
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Speaker 11: and saying that everything's going to be fine with this
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Speaker 11: sort of bag Dad Bob mentality. Oh no, no, no, there's
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Speaker 11: plenty of fuel mentality that I think is making people
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Speaker 11: feel probably much.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a rate on the politics, say James,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this before East.
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Speaker 3: I think they.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely have rationing on the table. They'll call it demand management,
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Speaker 2: but it's rationing. It will be part of the mix.
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Speaker 2: I suspect if we are headed as we are now
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Speaker 2: with bows of shortages, if that still persists come Easter
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Speaker 2: Monday or Tuesday, they'll bring the rationing in.
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Speaker 3: They just don't want to do it.
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Speaker 2: This side of the holiday break and fearer an even
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Speaker 2: greater voter backlash. But I'll tell you what today, Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowne was out there. It's all your fault, Australia, nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with him.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: We've seen very big spikes in demand. Some of it
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Speaker 4: has been panic buying, some of it has been people
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Speaker 4: getting ahead of price rises. Some of it has been
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Speaker 4: farmers stocking up, which is fair enough.
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Speaker 2: So hundreds and hundreds of petrol stations they've got absolutely
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Speaker 2: no fuel, Carolina and it's all your fault.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, clearly Chris Bowen has never heard of
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Speaker 12: that phrase. The customer is always right because as voters
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Speaker 12: we always seem to be wrong when it comes to.
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Speaker 3: The energy minister.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the gas lighting and the victim blaming here
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Speaker 12: is on a whole new level and the government just
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Speaker 12: thinks it can get away with it. People are rightly
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Speaker 12: afraid that they're not going to have enough petrol in
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Speaker 12: their tanks to get to work, to get to the hospital,
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Speaker 12: if they have an appointment, to take their kids to
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Speaker 12: and from school. And yet it is our fault that
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Speaker 12: the government did not prepare adequately by boosting our fuel
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Speaker 12: reserves before this crisis, which they could see a mile
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Speaker 12: away that this was coming. We knew it was going
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Speaker 12: to be coming. We'd be warned about it from experts
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Speaker 12: for years. So the government has taken this approach blame
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Speaker 12: everyone except themselves. It's blamed the coalition as well today
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Speaker 12: for setting up a website asking for feedback from motorists.
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Speaker 12: It's saying that's just a data harvesting exercise to send
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Speaker 12: political propaganda to instead of the opposition actually wanting to
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Speaker 12: hear from people. And now we've also got state opposition
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Speaker 12: leaders in New South Wales and Victoria asking begging the
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Speaker 12: federal government to do more as well, and to at
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Speaker 12: least temporarily just cut the fuel size, lower it a
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Speaker 12: little bit. People are desperate.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the inflation numbers out today. Of course
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Speaker 2: we saw headline inflation slightly cool last month to three
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Speaker 2: point seven percent. This of course predates the Iran War. Today,
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Speaker 2: the Treasure was still when pushed talking about the prospect
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Speaker 2: of inflation with a five percent sort of figure. Now
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Speaker 2: I have to say, forget then this number at all.
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Speaker 2: I think this number is mickey mouse if it doesn't
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Speaker 2: include analysis of Iran. If the Treasurer admits his department
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Speaker 2: is still modeling five percent plus in terms of an
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Speaker 2: inflation rate. We know what the RBA will do with that, James.
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Speaker 2: We're really in trouble.
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Speaker 11: Well, we're in a lot of trouble. And if you
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Speaker 11: go back and you look at the global economic history,
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Speaker 11: in fact, back a long time before the seventies, these
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Speaker 11: sorts of energy shocks are precisely the sort of thing
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Speaker 11: that are the precursor to recessions. You know, we saw
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Speaker 11: this in the seventies. We've seen this a number of
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Speaker 11: times throughout history. So because even if the straits get
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Speaker 11: opened up tomorrow, it's going to take a long time
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Speaker 11: to unwind all of this, and all of the costs
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Speaker 11: will flow through the economy and broken a lot of things,
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Speaker 11: we need to be quite ready for this here. I
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Speaker 11: don't think Jim Salmers is quite ready for this. We're
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Speaker 11: certainly not ready in terms of fuel capacity. But we
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Speaker 11: also have to be concerned about what the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 11: is going to do, because it's one thing to cut
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Speaker 11: to raise interest rates in the face of a government
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Speaker 11: that is overheating the economy, but when that inflation is
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Speaker 11: coming from outside the economy. Then that becomes a much
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Speaker 11: more complicated game, and I'm frankly not sure that this
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Speaker 11: bank is up to playing it.
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Speaker 2: I want to get to the abs with you, James,
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Speaker 2: But Carol, I know you've got something coming up in
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Speaker 2: relation to Sydney University.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 12: Well, it's actually another universe toy, another major one in Sydney. Peter,
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Speaker 12: Western Sydney University. I've got an exclusive report airing on
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Speaker 12: Sky News Bulletins tomorrow about how it's becoming broils in
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Speaker 12: a scandal to do with an anti Israel academic who
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Speaker 12: is hosting an event on Friday to challenge the anti
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Speaker 12: Semitism waws that were introduced post the Bondlin attack. Now,
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Speaker 12: in this event, she had been promoting it for weeks
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Speaker 12: with a Western Sydney logo and a reference to Western
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Speaker 12: Sydney University. The university has been its chancellor, Jennifer western
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Speaker 12: Cod has been a really prominent voice against anti Semitism.
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Speaker 12: Yet today when we put questions to the university, it
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Speaker 12: distanced itself from this event. It demanded the academic take
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Speaker 12: down a logo. A Jewish community leader, Robert Gregory from
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Speaker 12: the Australian Jewish Association said this is an extreme event.
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Speaker 12: He has great concerns about it, given this academics past
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Speaker 12: writings about arguing against Jewish safety. He's very concerned about this.
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Speaker 12: But the University of Western Sydney has walked back said
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Speaker 12: it's not supporting or endorsing this event. And I'll have
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Speaker 12: more on the story in the bulletins tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Western Sydney University, we'll get that right.
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Speaker 2: James tools down today at the ABC. The network stunningly
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Speaker 2: switched off it's a domestic program, in flicked to the
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Speaker 2: BBC and the staff then walked out the door. I
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Speaker 2: do think it's extraordinary though, they are striking over a
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Speaker 2: pay deal, despite being offered a ten percent pay rise
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Speaker 2: over three years and a want off bonus of one
21:39
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. I know plenty of cleaners who would grab
21:43
Speaker 2: a ten percent wage increase, James, wouldn't you.
21:45
Speaker 11: Well, Look, I know plenty of journalists to probably grab
21:48
Speaker 11: that too, given everything that's going on in the world
21:50
Speaker 11: right now, what we talked about, with the potential for
21:53
Speaker 11: a recession and everything else. Look, ABC journals, they've got
21:57
Speaker 11: more job security than anybody else. You know, they're never
21:59
Speaker 11: cut to the ABC budget for them to be turning
22:03
Speaker 11: up their nose at ten percent and then you know,
22:05
Speaker 11: going on strike and having a big old tantrib about it. Well,
22:08
Speaker 11: I mean fine, you know, good luck to them, but
22:12
Speaker 11: you know I would love to see someday this budget
22:14
Speaker 11: of theirs be brought into line and you know, maybe
22:17
Speaker 11: being optional for people who don't have the sort of
22:19
Speaker 11: security that these people do.
22:23
Speaker 2: So true to point that out. You and I live
22:25
Speaker 2: and die by the ratings.
22:27
Speaker 3: That's why we're still here.
22:28
Speaker 2: So we rate thank you to all our supporters out
22:30
Speaker 2: there on Sky News across the country, including regional but
22:33
Speaker 2: not for the ABC. They get the money comes in
22:36
Speaker 2: the door even if people turn them office it. More
22:38
Speaker 2: and more Australians do thank you to you both. See
22:40
Speaker 2: you next week.
22:49
Speaker 3: There you go.
22:49
Speaker 2: There's a bit of a bus bit of bling there
22:53
Speaker 2: before we get into this chat on the new Sky
22:55
Speaker 2: News Poll's poll which is conducted for us every fortnight.
22:59
Speaker 2: But the posters that you and joining me as it
23:01
Speaker 2: will all the time to pull it apart our chief
23:04
Speaker 2: election down last Tom Connall, Tom, thank you for your time.
23:07
Speaker 2: Another poll. It's getting very very consistent. The lives should
23:11
Speaker 2: be worried here. I suspect they are.
23:13
Speaker 3: But you've got another primary boost for one nation.
23:19
Speaker 13: Yeah it's a small one, but as you alluded to Peter,
23:21
Speaker 13: it's how consistently higher one nation is and higher than
23:24
Speaker 13: the Liberal Party. That's all we were talking about initially,
23:26
Speaker 13: weren't we a few weeks ago we said, wow, they're
23:28
Speaker 13: higher than the coalition. Now they're two percentage points off labor.
23:33
Speaker 13: This is actually one percent off one nation's highest undersco
23:36
Speaker 13: and use polse but that's the equal closest margin, So
23:39
Speaker 13: you know, not that long ago Labour had ninety four
23:41
Speaker 13: seats of that election, and clearly they'd still win an
23:44
Speaker 13: election given those numbers. But that's start for them, isn't
23:48
Speaker 13: it Those out of suburban seats we saw in South Australia.
23:50
Speaker 13: I'm sure there are hard heads wondering where else they
23:52
Speaker 13: might be in trouble.
23:53
Speaker 8: Two party preferred.
23:54
Speaker 13: I think it's worth, first of all, going to the
23:56
Speaker 13: contest that's closer, and it makes more sense because one
23:59
Speaker 13: nation is so much higher, and I have closed the
24:01
Speaker 13: gap by two percentage points on labor, So fifty three
24:05
Speaker 13: to forty seven again, that is the closest that contest
24:07
Speaker 13: has been so far between Labor and One Nation. The
24:11
Speaker 13: Coalition not quite as close, so a similar result. We're
24:15
Speaker 13: still comparing both of them for now, but Labor ahead
24:18
Speaker 13: of the Coalition fifty four to forty six, so a
24:21
Speaker 13: slight slightly closer result there.
24:26
Speaker 2: And do you have any movements on the Prime Minister
24:29
Speaker 2: himself in terms of their negatives or popular vote.
24:34
Speaker 13: Yeah, Anthony Alberinezi's net satisfaction has gone down, and the
24:39
Speaker 13: net satisfaction we have for him right now is in
24:41
Speaker 13: fact the lowest he's been so far, so he's minus
24:45
Speaker 13: nineteen percent thirty eight percent approving of his job, but
24:49
Speaker 13: he's now in the negatives in terms of those disapproving
24:52
Speaker 13: is up to fifty seven. And they've come from the
24:54
Speaker 13: previous of don't know, so it's interesting to see.
24:57
Speaker 8: It's been a tough couple of weeks I think for
24:58
Speaker 8: the PM.
25:01
Speaker 2: I've watched in a lot of the polls the demographic splits,
25:04
Speaker 2: and this is something that hasn't happened before for one nation.
25:08
Speaker 2: But they are really starting to pick up a good
25:10
Speaker 2: spread of the voting population. They're getting young people, they're
25:14
Speaker 2: getting women, traditionally difficult to the center right side of politics.
25:19
Speaker 2: You've had a good look at the millennials, and they
25:21
Speaker 2: matter because they are such a large grouping of voters.
25:26
Speaker 3: They're the ones obviously at the.
25:27
Speaker 2: Front line of a lot of the cost of living
25:28
Speaker 2: housing issues.
25:30
Speaker 3: What did your research tell us.
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Speaker 8: This week, Well, it's a really strong result for one nation.
25:36
Speaker 13: Look, millennials are getting a little bit older, thirty to
25:39
Speaker 13: forty five these days.
25:41
Speaker 8: Is how older millennial is? I squeak in, so I
25:43
Speaker 8: keep an eye on that.
25:44
Speaker 13: And you can see here you might think given that
25:46
Speaker 13: age bracket, well, one nation would be way off, and
25:49
Speaker 13: in fact they're leading the primary vote amongst millennials thirty percent.
25:53
Speaker 8: One Nation labor just behind at twenty eight.
25:55
Speaker 13: There's the concern that the coalition because as you say,
25:57
Speaker 13: this is the biggest cohort if you break the mark
26:00
Speaker 13: by the old school generations of voters millennials, and they're
26:04
Speaker 13: at the crux of that cost of living issue, aren't they.
26:07
Speaker 13: If you think about people, as you alluded to, still
26:09
Speaker 13: trying to get into housing, well maybe they've struggled to
26:12
Speaker 13: do so this is it writ large, So you know,
26:15
Speaker 13: it's gone from the cliches of avocado on toaster.
26:18
Speaker 8: Maybe one nation voters now, Peter.
26:22
Speaker 2: As people are hurting out there and look, it's going
26:24
Speaker 2: to get a lot worse with petrol. Are they blaming
26:27
Speaker 2: the government here or do they put it down to
26:29
Speaker 2: just global events or or you know, maybe it's all
26:31
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's fault. Tom, What are you finding out there?
26:36
Speaker 8: It's interesting when you split this up.
26:38
Speaker 13: So the number one response we got when we asked
26:40
Speaker 13: people about shortage and price and gave them some options
26:44
Speaker 13: was actually what's happened in the past, so that more
26:47
Speaker 13: should have been done to get petrol supply on shore
26:50
Speaker 13: before all this happened. Thirty twenty nine percent are worried
26:54
Speaker 13: about price gouging going on right now, and twenty percent
26:56
Speaker 13: say the fuel excise cut that we saw back when
26:59
Speaker 13: the Ukraine began to spike, they want that back. Thirteen
27:02
Speaker 13: percent you alluded to the global issue, so a pretty
27:04
Speaker 13: low number saying not much could be done on this.
27:07
Speaker 13: We also split this into one nation voters as well,
27:11
Speaker 13: and what's interesting about that is the fact that first
27:13
Speaker 13: of all, the number one response is actually shot up.
27:16
Speaker 13: It's even higher increased supply now. I know previously we've polled,
27:20
Speaker 13: for example, best leader at the Liberal Party and one
27:23
Speaker 13: nation voters have said Andrew Hasty, he's been a big
27:25
Speaker 13: one for increasing the overall supply and obviously it hasn't happened.
27:29
Speaker 8: It's too late.
27:29
Speaker 13: That's forty seven and it's noteworthy only six percent of
27:32
Speaker 13: their voters say, look, it's a global issue, not much
27:35
Speaker 13: can be done about it.
27:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one nation cohort. But your other cohort,
27:42
Speaker 2: which was everyone including labor and Greens voters.
27:44
Speaker 3: I thought that's interesting.
27:45
Speaker 2: Sixty one percent say there's history here and they're putting
27:48
Speaker 2: it on government left and right, I presume there, but
27:50
Speaker 2: on the head of government. So that means they're cranky,
27:53
Speaker 2: they want some action, and you've got twenty percent saying
27:55
Speaker 2: there that they want change. Presumably in the next few
27:59
Speaker 2: weeks the budget on the excise, so that's going to
28:02
Speaker 2: hit the budget and that's going to be more pain
28:04
Speaker 2: I think for the Treasure as he tries to add
28:06
Speaker 2: things up. Thanks Tom, catch up with you in a
28:08
Speaker 2: fortnite all right after the break. A hidden detail and
28:11
Speaker 2: that trade deal with Europe. We're going to get to
28:14
Speaker 2: the bottom of this climate staff the ministers today, though,
28:17
Speaker 2: the Trade Minister vowing he'll get a better deal for farmers. Well, sorry, mate,
28:21
Speaker 2: ships sailed on that one. You signed the document yesterday?
28:24
Speaker 3: Were you asleep? Goodness me? Welcome back coming up.
28:31
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says Aran wants to negotiate, but mixed signals
28:35
Speaker 2: out of the Middle East. They say they're not even
28:37
Speaker 2: at the table.
28:38
Speaker 3: So what's going on?
28:40
Speaker 2: And if we do end the war quickly our soon
28:43
Speaker 2: does a whole fuel issue settled down.
28:46
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment, But now.
28:47
Speaker 2: To yesterday's free trade agreement between Europe and Australia and
28:51
Speaker 2: what amounts to a slap in the face for Australian farmers.
28:55
Speaker 3: Almost across the board.
28:57
Speaker 2: Our agriculture sector says they've been dudded today. The Trade
29:00
Speaker 2: Minister Don Farrell says, well, don't worry about it. I'll
29:03
Speaker 2: fight for a better deal. Well a bit late now,
29:06
Speaker 2: you asleep when you signed it. Because farmers are furious.
29:09
Speaker 2: They say that key agricultural commodities are no better off
29:13
Speaker 2: than when Australia walked away from negotiations three years ago.
29:17
Speaker 2: The shadow Trade Minister and National Party leader Mat Canavan
29:21
Speaker 2: says it is the worst deal ever. Mat Canavan joins me, now,
29:26
Speaker 2: thank you, Senator, I want to get into the specifics
29:29
Speaker 2: of the deal in a moment, but in overall terms,
29:33
Speaker 2: we're told we're going to get a ten billion dollar
29:35
Speaker 2: gain out of this deal. I mean, that's a rounding
29:37
Speaker 2: era in terms of the federal budget when you think
29:40
Speaker 2: of the concessions that Australia has given the EU to
29:45
Speaker 2: get just ten billion.
29:46
Speaker 3: How do you rate this deal?
29:50
Speaker 14: Well, you've read out what I said about the deal,
29:54
Speaker 14: but you don't have to listen to me, Peter. Pretty
29:58
Speaker 14: much every farm group in the country has panned it.
30:01
Speaker 14: They've used words like and I'm directly quoting from them,
30:04
Speaker 14: they've used words like embarrassing, abhorrent, a kick in the guts,
30:10
Speaker 14: even when called it pathetic. I've never seen anything like this.
30:14
Speaker 14: I mean, you've had experience in this area that usually
30:17
Speaker 14: when the government concludes a trade deal, the farm sectors
30:21
Speaker 14: popping champagne corks, because it normally does mean better access
30:25
Speaker 14: for farm products. Sometimes might be an impact on a
30:27
Speaker 14: manufacturing sector increased competition. But in this case, the government's
30:32
Speaker 14: done this remarkable trick of doing a deal which doesn't
30:35
Speaker 14: even benefit our major exporters at all much. The NFF
30:39
Speaker 14: said that this provided no meaningful access to the European market.
30:44
Speaker 14: And what is worse, they have traded things away. They
30:47
Speaker 14: have traded some really significant things away. We haven't done
30:51
Speaker 14: anything about the behind the border measures that the European
30:55
Speaker 14: uses to protect its industry. They spend billions every year
30:58
Speaker 14: protecting its farm sector. They'll still be able to get
31:01
Speaker 14: those subsidies and compete in an unfair fashion with Australian producers.
31:06
Speaker 14: Steel industry doesn't get any relief. We still have steel
31:09
Speaker 14: tariffs that they face of up to fifty percent, so
31:12
Speaker 14: that's not free trade at all.
31:15
Speaker 2: Let me go back to the point in main about
31:17
Speaker 2: the subsidies and the agriculture sector in Europe because it
31:20
Speaker 2: is particularly protected the farming sector.
31:22
Speaker 3: Across the board in Europe. I want to look at dairy, but.
31:25
Speaker 2: Cheese specifically, this is an area of great concern. So
31:29
Speaker 2: dairy farmers in the EU they receive around thirty percent
31:33
Speaker 2: of their farm income from direct government subsidies. So this
31:37
Speaker 2: is about twenty billion dollars ten or so billion in euros,
31:41
Speaker 2: but in our dollars, twenty billion dollars is put into
31:44
Speaker 2: the hands of farmers. Now, as part of this deal,
31:47
Speaker 2: Australia had a small tariff on cheese imports into this
31:52
Speaker 2: country about a dollar twenty a kilo will drop that,
31:56
Speaker 2: yet all these subsidies to farmers in.
31:59
Speaker 3: Europe will remain.
32:00
Speaker 2: Now, we import about seventy seven thousand ton of European cheese,
32:08
Speaker 2: they only take about one hundred and thirty four ton
32:12
Speaker 2: of our cheese into Europe. So as you look at
32:15
Speaker 2: that sort of number differential, it looks like we've been
32:18
Speaker 2: screwed here.
32:21
Speaker 8: Well, we have been, Peter.
32:23
Speaker 14: You've read it out there that we've got a massive
32:25
Speaker 14: trade deficit on cheese with Europe, and that is because
32:30
Speaker 14: they are providing those mammoth government subsidies. I mean, thirty
32:33
Speaker 14: percent of your income from the government. Not a bad deal.
32:36
Speaker 14: Not no farmer in our country would get anywhere near that.
32:39
Speaker 14: They don't really get anything from the government outside of
32:41
Speaker 14: drought when they're struggling. So obviously that already means that
32:46
Speaker 14: our cheesemakers have one hand tied behind their back when
32:50
Speaker 14: they're competing in European markets now because of those unfair subsidies,
32:53
Speaker 14: and they are unfair. They're against the spirit at least
32:56
Speaker 14: of the well trade or organization process. They're against the
32:59
Speaker 14: spirit of the EU saying they believe in free trade.
33:02
Speaker 14: So because of that we have taken the reasonable step.
33:04
Speaker 14: Both sides of politics have had this in place where
33:06
Speaker 14: we have a tariff on cheese to protect our jobs
33:10
Speaker 14: and our industry. And what the government's done with this agreement,
33:12
Speaker 14: I think they may not even realize it, to be honest,
33:15
Speaker 14: they don't seem to be across this detail that they
33:17
Speaker 14: remove that tariff, throwing our cheese industry to the wolves.
33:21
Speaker 14: And a lot of these industries, a lot of them
33:23
Speaker 14: are small businesses, artisan cheese makers in this country. They
33:27
Speaker 14: now have got a very very tough time of it
33:29
Speaker 14: continuing because on top of now having to face subsidized
33:33
Speaker 14: EU products, they have to pay through the nose for
33:36
Speaker 14: energy prices under this labor governments net zero policy. So
33:39
Speaker 14: we're just handicapping them, We're not giving them a start,
33:43
Speaker 14: and I just think we need to take an approach here.
33:46
Speaker 14: We look after Australian business and industry first, and if
33:48
Speaker 14: another country is going to act in this way against
33:52
Speaker 14: the interests of free trade protect their businesses, well we
33:55
Speaker 14: should feel no obligation whatsoever to expose our own industr
34:00
Speaker 14: our own workers to that level of unfair competition.
34:05
Speaker 2: You make the point, you don't think they've probably even
34:07
Speaker 2: read it in the document. They might know that this
34:10
Speaker 2: shocking deal on cheese is in there. I wouldn't be
34:14
Speaker 2: surprised by that. I mean, Chris Bowen was out there
34:16
Speaker 2: today an interview with Kieran Gilbert. He said, there's nothing
34:20
Speaker 2: in this deal about climate commitments. Will I then go
34:23
Speaker 2: back to the defact website. I think, well, maybe I've
34:25
Speaker 2: got this wrong. Well, no, I haven't got it wrong.
34:28
Speaker 2: It banks it very clear that there's a whole lot
34:30
Speaker 2: of which we're non binding, old non binding Paris Agreement
34:34
Speaker 2: commitments that are now binding according to this agreement. But
34:39
Speaker 2: worse than that, there's a whole sanction regime that this
34:42
Speaker 2: agreement creates that will hit this trade agreement if we
34:46
Speaker 2: don't meet climate agreements. And if he says there's no
34:50
Speaker 2: climate in there, well, Matt, why would we have this
34:53
Speaker 2: sanction regime. It's all there in black and white on
34:56
Speaker 2: the website. I even went add to the European Union's website.
35:00
Speaker 2: It's all spelt out there. But our ministers don't know
35:02
Speaker 2: what's going on. And Bowen's either stupid or is lying
35:06
Speaker 2: to us, or both.
35:10
Speaker 14: Well, I think Chris is just asleep at the wheel
35:12
Speaker 14: of his electric vehicle, Peter. I mean, yes, he's not
35:15
Speaker 14: the responsible minister here, but something of this magnitude would
35:18
Speaker 14: have gone to cabinet, It would have been discussed at
35:21
Speaker 14: a high level with all the ministers, and something relating
35:25
Speaker 14: to his portfolio would no doubt or should have been
35:27
Speaker 14: brief to him as the minister. And this does go
35:29
Speaker 14: straight to his portfolio settings because there is a chapter
35:32
Speaker 14: on environmental issues and sustainability issues, and as you've described
35:36
Speaker 14: on the government's website, they say that this deal will
35:40
Speaker 14: mean we have a binding commitment to the Paris Agreement
35:43
Speaker 14: which goes beyond what we've previously signed up to. On
35:46
Speaker 14: top of that, this chapter has a dispute resolution process
35:50
Speaker 14: in that if the EU believes we have been violating
35:54
Speaker 14: the Paris Agreement, they can go to this foreign court
35:57
Speaker 14: and seek to suspend trade preferences to us. And again,
36:01
Speaker 14: why would the government sell out our nation's sovereignty here
36:04
Speaker 14: to a foreign court to create a binding commitment where
36:07
Speaker 14: there was none before. I suppose the only saving grace
36:11
Speaker 14: is that if you were to suspend our trade preferences
36:15
Speaker 14: because of this, so this apparent violation, it wouldn't mean
36:19
Speaker 14: much to us because we haven't given we haven't got
36:20
Speaker 14: many trade preferences out of this deal in the first place.
36:24
Speaker 3: It's a shocker.
36:25
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you quickly now with you your
36:27
Speaker 2: party leader had on bow and again Bowen says today
36:30
Speaker 2: that there are no supply shortages. Do you believe him?
36:37
Speaker 14: Well, I don't think he knows what the word supply means.
36:43
Speaker 14: He constantly since the start of this debate has been
36:46
Speaker 14: seeking to hide the pain that's being felt by farmers
36:50
Speaker 14: and in country towns around the global figure of what
36:56
Speaker 14: is in Australia not being where it is needed. So
37:00
Speaker 14: we don't have one petrol market. We have lots of
37:03
Speaker 14: different markets in every town where supply has to meet
37:06
Speaker 14: demand at every point otherwise people get hurt and the
37:10
Speaker 14: government's head in the stand approach here is prolonging people's pain.
37:13
Speaker 14: Because it's prolonging they're getting their act together and taking
37:18
Speaker 14: this issue seriously, because if he seriously thinks there's no
37:20
Speaker 14: supply issue, he needs to get out there and talk
37:23
Speaker 14: to some farmers, talk to these country towns where they're
37:25
Speaker 14: out of petrol. That's a supply issue. If you don't
37:28
Speaker 14: have the supply to plant your crops. If you don't
37:31
Speaker 14: have the supply to be able to take your cattle
37:34
Speaker 14: to market, that is a supply issue. The government should
37:38
Speaker 14: be seeking to fix that. And instead, as I say,
37:41
Speaker 14: Chris seems to have been sleeping. He must have put
37:43
Speaker 14: that full service driving on in the Tesla. I don't
37:45
Speaker 14: think he probably drives a test because he doesn't like
37:46
Speaker 14: elon musk. But he's put on this full service driving
37:48
Speaker 14: and he's on autopilot right now, just at the time
37:51
Speaker 14: where we need a strong hand at the wheel to
37:53
Speaker 14: guide our country through the worst energy crisis since the
37:56
Speaker 14: nineteen seventies.
37:58
Speaker 2: Oh godlick to everything. You're Chunda hamber about fixing it, Matt,
38:01
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. I'll make the point too,
38:04
Speaker 2: of course, if he is in a combustion car like
38:06
Speaker 2: a fuel car, a diesel petrol vehicle, Chris bow And
38:09
Speaker 2: is not paying for his petrol. He's under no pressure
38:11
Speaker 2: to fix this. He's putting it on the credit card
38:13
Speaker 2: and you are paying for it. No politician pays for
38:15
Speaker 2: their petrol. Right, quick break, Let's see if Donald Trump
38:19
Speaker 2: can end the war in Iran. We'll get the latest
38:21
Speaker 2: with Greg Sheridan in the monment. Welcome back now to
38:28
Speaker 2: the war in Iran and what could be a shift
38:30
Speaker 2: towards diplomacy today. The US President Donald Trump overnight signaling
38:35
Speaker 2: that there's been productive conversations and even major points of
38:38
Speaker 2: agreement with Iran's regime.
38:41
Speaker 15: You know, if you read the papers, you think we're tired.
38:43
Speaker 15: You think we're in a top battle. We are roaming
38:46
Speaker 15: free over Tehran. The other side, I can tell you
38:49
Speaker 15: they'd like to make a deal, and who wouldn't if
38:52
Speaker 15: you were there. Look, their navy's gone, their air force
38:56
Speaker 15: is gone, their communications are going. That's the biggest problem.
39:00
Speaker 15: It's very hard to communicate them between themselves.
39:05
Speaker 3: Now.
39:05
Speaker 2: Those comments from the President, though, appear to be at
39:07
Speaker 2: odds with the reports we're getting out of Iran, where
39:10
Speaker 2: there are denials of any talks having taken place. Let's
39:15
Speaker 2: ask you, Greg Sheridan, to tell us what's really happening.
39:17
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, of course, the foreign editor Australian is joining
39:20
Speaker 2: me at the desk. I know it's sort of reading
39:23
Speaker 2: tea leaves because we're not getting a straight line out
39:25
Speaker 2: of Iran. But where do you think we are at tonight?
39:28
Speaker 16: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. I think
39:30
Speaker 16: the signals are genuinely contradictory. So Trump is plainly under
39:37
Speaker 16: enormous domestic political pressure to finish this quickly.
39:40
Speaker 15: And.
39:42
Speaker 16: Israel and probably the Gulf Arab States would like him
39:45
Speaker 16: to not finish until he finishes that regime because if
39:50
Speaker 16: they stay in place, they can in time reconstruct wounded,
39:54
Speaker 16: not dead, and they will eventually rebuild, although he's damaged
39:57
Speaker 16: them and it'll take them years and years and years
40:00
Speaker 16: to be the threat they were. But so he's giving
40:03
Speaker 16: us an indication. He's saying talks have taken place. I'm
40:05
Speaker 16: sure something is going on, some level of dialogue. I
40:08
Speaker 16: don't think he's making it all up. But at the
40:10
Speaker 16: same time, he's moving substantial forces of marines into the area,
40:16
Speaker 16: which suggests that he has negotiations going on. But he
40:20
Speaker 16: also has a land plan, which probably is seizing carg Island.
40:25
Speaker 16: That would probably be the first step of a land escalation. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 16: he'll keep bombing missile and drone targets in Iran, but
40:37
Speaker 16: you've got to give them their due. The Iranians are
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Speaker 16: still able to fire missiles and drones at Gulf States
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Speaker 16: and in the Strait of horm moves. Although one good
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Speaker 16: sign from the Iranians, although they're saying they're not really
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Speaker 16: doing talks and they won't compromise, they now say they've
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Speaker 16: opened the Strait of hor Moves to non hostile shipping.
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Speaker 16: Now we're not quite sure what they mean by hostile,
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Speaker 16: but you get the sense both sides could be crab
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Speaker 16: walking towards some sort of compromise in the end. Though,
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Speaker 16: what Trump wants from the Iranians, he wants that four
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Speaker 16: hundred kilogram of enriched uranium, and he wants an end
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Speaker 16: to enrichment. Well, those are things the Iranians have not
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Speaker 16: given up previously.
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Speaker 3: I can see.
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Speaker 2: Where the neighboring Gulf states are coming from, right, It's
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Speaker 2: been a long time before they had a president like
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Speaker 2: this or any world actor wanting to go hard against Iran.
41:27
Speaker 2: A lot of talk red lines, money handed over, no
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Speaker 2: great security for them in their region. They may not
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Speaker 2: get another Trump in the short term, so they're putting
41:36
Speaker 2: pressure to finish them off.
41:38
Speaker 3: Do it properly.
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Speaker 2: If he wasn't up against midterms, do you think that
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Speaker 2: he would perhaps stay in the field longer. I'm not
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Speaker 2: talking about boots on the ground. There's all those issues
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Speaker 2: with forever wars in that. But there is a risk
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Speaker 2: if you half do this job. We about having this
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Speaker 2: conversation about a re armed and even angrier Iran in
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Speaker 2: a not too distant future.
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Speaker 16: Well, look, you sum up the dilemma absolutely, Peter. This
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Speaker 16: is an acute dilemma and there's no easy solution. So
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Speaker 16: Iran has proved itself to be worse than we thought,
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Speaker 16: worse than we thought.
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Speaker 3: And what I must think that I think too absolutely?
42:16
Speaker 16: What other regime has just slaughtered forty thousand of its
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Speaker 16: own citizens. What other regime is attacking desalination plants on
42:23
Speaker 16: which human lives depend in neighboring states which are noncombatants.
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Speaker 16: What other state has four hundred kilograms of uranium illegally
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Speaker 16: enriched to sixty percent At the same time, it's proving
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Speaker 16: very very hard to kill, very very hard to kill.
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Speaker 16: This is a fanatical, devoted regime with an ideology that
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Speaker 16: celebrates suicide and regards its religious mission.
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Speaker 2: As and has spread its people and its dogma around
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Speaker 2: the world. I mean, we weren't half asked, excuse my French,
42:56
Speaker 2: We're half asked about going after Hitler. Right, we finished
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Speaker 2: the job, do we seriously need as the world to say,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be some pain here. It's going to
43:03
Speaker 2: be issues at the bowser, all our supply chains will
43:05
Speaker 2: be thrown up in the air. But we can't leave
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Speaker 2: this half undone.
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Speaker 16: Well, you know, that's a very persuasive case, Peter and
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Speaker 16: I have a lot of sympathy with it. But to
43:14
Speaker 16: give you the countervailing factors, So Trump is up against
43:17
Speaker 16: the midterms and the war is very unpopular. Now, Trump
43:21
Speaker 16: is stronger than any other president would have been in
43:23
Speaker 16: taking this action. He's weaker than any other president would
43:26
Speaker 16: have been in preparing Americans for this action.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that there wasn't any sort of ramp
43:31
Speaker 2: into this.
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Speaker 3: It just came from nowhere.
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Speaker 16: And because he's sort of spoken in self contradictory terms,
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Speaker 16: it's almost done. We're finished.
43:38
Speaker 15: You know.
43:39
Speaker 16: If he now has to turn around to the nation
43:40
Speaker 16: and say, well, guess what, you are going to have
43:42
Speaker 16: higher petrol prices and all the rest of it, disruption
43:46
Speaker 16: to Gulf gas and oil supplies and everything else, he
43:50
Speaker 16: doesn't obviously have a mandate for that. Not only the midterms,
43:54
Speaker 16: but the economy trouble him because you know, strong and
43:59
Speaker 16: strump all Western leaders have this problem. They can't look
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Speaker 16: their voters in the eye and say we're going to
44:05
Speaker 16: have to endure some short term pain for some long
44:07
Speaker 16: term gain.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not stoical like we used to know.
44:10
Speaker 16: The Howard government did that, the whole Keeping government did that.
44:13
Speaker 16: And Trump's version of populism has been to say I
44:18
Speaker 16: can give you everything straight away. And he has given
44:20
Speaker 16: a lot of things. You know, America is energy is
44:23
Speaker 16: self sufficient now, and they've got a bigger military than
44:26
Speaker 16: they'd otherwise have, and a whole lot of you know,
44:29
Speaker 16: low unemployment, all of that. But war is very difficult.
44:34
Speaker 16: There are no easy choices. So I think my guess
44:38
Speaker 16: would be probably we get some kind of deal and
44:42
Speaker 16: the regime stays intact. It'll be ten years, I guess,
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Speaker 16: before it's as bad as it was previously, or all.
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Speaker 2: The people do eventually get the regime theyes actually take
44:52
Speaker 2: out the lease.
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Speaker 16: And that could happen in six or twelve months, because
44:56
Speaker 16: it's one thing, like a sportsman in an extreme position
45:00
Speaker 16: that can go on for a period of minutes, maybe
45:03
Speaker 16: for a whole game, but in six months time, in
45:06
Speaker 16: twelve months time. The Iranian regime has got to run
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Speaker 16: a society, and the society hates the regime. I mean
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Speaker 16: twenty percent or something of iran really supports this ideology.
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Speaker 16: They are shea Islamist extremists and filled with an ideology
45:21
Speaker 16: of hatred of the West and everything else. But seventy
45:23
Speaker 16: or eighty percent of Iranians, I mean, you must have
45:25
Speaker 16: Iranian friends in Australia as I do. And they hate
45:30
Speaker 16: the idolers. They came here to get away from them.
45:33
Speaker 16: And most you know, the Persian civilization, of magnificent, ancient,
45:37
Speaker 16: sophisticated literary civilization. The society hates that government, but it's
45:45
Speaker 16: you know, its ability so far to overthrow the government
45:49
Speaker 16: is not there yet, but it might be there in
45:51
Speaker 16: six months time.
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Speaker 3: Well we can only hope.
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Speaker 2: Brickshire and thank you, thanks Peter, very quick break after
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Speaker 2: the break, great words today. We kill seen him minute,
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Speaker 2: all right, Let's bring him in kel Riches as he
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Speaker 2: is joining me every Wednesday to discuss the words of
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Speaker 2: your words that you send to us. And it's a
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Speaker 2: crack of a set of words for us today. Kill
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Speaker 2: one of them. And this comes up a lot from
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Speaker 2: view is populism. There's a real pejority of tone from
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Speaker 2: some in the media about populism. Now, if populism, if
46:25
Speaker 2: we look at democracy, which is supposed to deliver us
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Speaker 2: the most popular leader, then how could you argue that
46:32
Speaker 2: populism isn't a good thing. But if you listen to
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Speaker 2: the left, it only tends to get thrown around when
46:38
Speaker 2: it's someone like Donald Trump on the right side of politics.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, you're exactly right. Populism comes from the Latin word populist,
46:47
Speaker 17: meaning people, and democracy comes from the Greek word demos,
46:51
Speaker 17: meaning people. Both populism and democracy mean the will of
46:55
Speaker 17: the people. So if you are bagging or sneering at populism,
47:00
Speaker 17: it is democracy you're criticizing. The arguments we're hearing now
47:04
Speaker 17: almost exactly mirror what happened in the nineteenth century in
47:07
Speaker 17: Britain when they are widening the franchise. There are all
47:10
Speaker 17: these cries of panic in the halls of power, saying
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Speaker 17: uneducated people and ill informed people would choose the government
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Speaker 17: and set the policy. Yes, that's what democracy is, that's
47:22
Speaker 17: what happens. We got exactly that when the Voice referendum
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Speaker 17: was lost here and Brexit referendum was lost in Britain
47:28
Speaker 17: because people in the halls of power, don't want the
47:31
Speaker 17: people to have a say we will. That's populism and democracy,
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Speaker 17: and they shouldn't be attacking populism.
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Speaker 2: I'm just laughing there because I remember, of course, some
47:42
Speaker 2: of the arguments against the female franchise, women getting the
47:46
Speaker 2: vote and the fragile female mind having to make a
47:49
Speaker 2: big decision like that in a ballot box. I want
47:53
Speaker 2: to ask you. This is one from John. It's a phrase,
47:55
Speaker 2: is time calling a spade a spade? He says, where does.
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Speaker 3: That come from?
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Speaker 17: It's just using blunt language calling things by their present
48:03
Speaker 17: proper names. It actually comes from an ancient Greek proverb.
48:07
Speaker 17: Now the agent was recorded by Plutarch. The ancient Greek
48:10
Speaker 17: proverb actually talked about calling a basin a basin, but
48:14
Speaker 17: when it was picked up and used by the great
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Speaker 17: scholar Erasmus, he and his English translated turned that into
48:20
Speaker 17: calling a spade a spade. I don't know how they
48:23
Speaker 17: got from basin to spade, but that's where that's the
48:25
Speaker 17: history of the expression.
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Speaker 2: Tread carefully here. We have to arbitrate a relationship. Blue
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Speaker 2: Marsha says. My husband offered to take the kids to
48:38
Speaker 2: the footy, but they were disinterested. Now, surely, she says
48:42
Speaker 2: he should have said uninterested.
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Speaker 3: They want your ruling on this, Colt.
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Speaker 17: I have been arguing for years that disinterested means impartial,
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Speaker 17: like a judge on the bench in a trial, not
48:55
Speaker 17: has no interest in either party. And that's what most
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Speaker 17: literate people say. And if they've got no interest, then
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Speaker 17: it's uninterested. I've been saying that for years, arguing that
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Speaker 17: for years, But I've discovered a fly in that ointment.
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Speaker 17: When the word disinterested came into the English language in
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Speaker 17: the sixteen hundreds, it meant both. It meant both impartial
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Speaker 17: and lack of interest. So given that now, that distinction
49:22
Speaker 17: faded out over the years, but it's come back in
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Speaker 17: the twentieth century. So, Peter, what's your ruling? Do we
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Speaker 17: let these people get away.
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Speaker 3: With give it to Marsha? We give it to Marsha, Yes.
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Speaker 8: Give it to her. I give you side.
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Speaker 17: Yes.
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Speaker 2: We should do a show on prefixes and suffixes. You
49:39
Speaker 2: know that the miss the maw all those sorts of
49:42
Speaker 2: things that we used to get taught at school. But
49:44
Speaker 2: I don't think we get talked that anymore. We could
49:46
Speaker 2: do that for another segment. I'll leave it there, though,
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Speaker 2: cal we'll get some more words for next week. Thanks
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Speaker 2: very much. Thank If you cut me too, I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Is Andrew