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Elf with Mara Wilson · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
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  Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing
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  Speaker 1: it with the Bedel Cast. Hey, it's Caitlin and Jamie
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  Speaker 1: and you're about to hear our episode on ELF. But
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  Speaker 1: first we just had a few quick plugs that we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do at the top of the show. Starting
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  Speaker 1: with our next live show in Los Angeles is January twelve.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited guest Danielle Perez. Ever heard of her?
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  Speaker 1: coming back and we're talking about Romeo and Michelle's high
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  Speaker 1: school reunion movie and I haven't seen yet. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you to see it. So that's
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  Speaker 1: on January twelve at nine pm at The Ruby, and
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  Speaker 1: tickets are on sale for that at bectelcast dot com
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  Speaker 1: and click on live appearances. And just a reminder that
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  Speaker 1: the fam. It's a small, intimate, fun show. We always
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  Speaker 1: Nothing more? Nothing? Um speaking of other live shows, there
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  Speaker 1: are still tickets left to some of our West Coast
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  Speaker 1: tour shows in January. So at the time of this recording,
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  Speaker 1: we've got tickets left to our San Francisco show on January.
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  Speaker 1: That's a part of SF sketch Fest. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, and there are tickets left to our
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  Speaker 1: show in Portland on January. We're talking about Fight Club
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  Speaker 1: as well as the two of us are doing a
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  Speaker 1: stand up show in Seattle. Yes, just the two of us,
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  Speaker 1: Just the two of us doing our stand up coming day.
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  Speaker 1: I ever heard of it. If you haven't, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to fly yourself out to Seattle. Sorry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that's on January, and tickets for all of those
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  Speaker 1: shows are same place backdelcast dot com and click on
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  Speaker 1: live appearances And then, um, I would just like to
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  Speaker 1: plug a couple of things that just I'm doing. Sorry Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: but like okay, I know. I'm so sorry, but you
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  Speaker 1: know I'm running some screenwriting workshops. You can come. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to learn on um. Yeah, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to learn from someone who has a master's degree
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  Speaker 1: in screen right now bought. Yes, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing, but I would love to. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to teach you. So um if you want
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  Speaker 1: to come with Jamie to either. The one I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: in um Portland is January at seven pm, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing on in Seattle on January. I think that one's
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon. It's a Saturday. Yeah, come and learn
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  Speaker 1: from a master. And it's just like a crash course
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  Speaker 1: in all things writing for the screen. So I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you great um. And more info and the registration
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  Speaker 1: links are on my website Caitlin Dronte dot com and
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  Speaker 1: then click on the show's tab. You can go to
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  Speaker 1: my website, but it's mostly dead links and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of videos of hot dogs. I I recently hyper linked there.
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  Speaker 1: My website is eighty present the episode of How It's
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  Speaker 1: Made of Various Meats. Oh that sounds disgusting, no offense,
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  Speaker 1: but Jamie Loft is his innocent. Dot com is the
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  Speaker 1: hyperlink for all the meat videos. Yes, please just go
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  Speaker 1: there for fun anyway. So those are the quick plugs
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to do at the top of the show.
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  Speaker 1: So you log hou it's made uppisode for hot dogs anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoyed that? Yeah, enjoy the episode. It's a great one.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, well we'll see you soon. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: tweet that. Ok. Bye cast. Hi, Hi everyone, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming to the Becdel Cast. Hi everyone. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is
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  Speaker 1: our show that you're at. And maybe was anyone here
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  Speaker 1: dragged by a loved one? Raise your hands? It always
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  Speaker 1: takes a second. They're like, well, thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 1: By round of applause, who has seen the movie? Else? Great?
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  Speaker 1: Everyone but me? Cool? Is there anyone by round of
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  Speaker 1: applause who has not seen el Yes, allies, there's always
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  Speaker 1: a couple, there's always of you. So we are the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. We talk about the portrayal and representation of women,
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  Speaker 1: among other things in film, using the Bechdel test as
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  Speaker 1: like a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't know what the Bechtel test is UH.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, a shame on you. Second of all,
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  Speaker 1: I take it back, You're fine, But it is is.
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  Speaker 1: It's a media test invented by Alison Bechdel that requires
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  Speaker 1: that there be two female identifying characters in a narrative that,
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  Speaker 1: for us, have names, and they have to talk to
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  Speaker 1: each other about something other than a man for a
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  Speaker 1: total of two lines of dialogue. So if you've seen Elf,
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  Speaker 1: just think about that for a second. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: movies don't do this. They're not able to do what
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  Speaker 1: is truly the bare minimum. My favorite bad pass because
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  Speaker 1: I most like most media tests, it is a flawed metric.
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  Speaker 1: UH is the She's All that where one of the
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  Speaker 1: named female characters tells the other named female character to
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  Speaker 1: kill herself and the first one's like, hey, you're like
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  Speaker 1: technically it passes. Yeah, a really good one. Um. So,
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  Speaker 1: do we have any other orders of business that we
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  Speaker 1: need to attend to before we introduce our guests? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think so. I skipped the middleman tonight. You iced yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I iced myself quietly backstage like a lady, and I
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  Speaker 1: just said you've been nice, and then I twisted the
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  Speaker 1: cap myself and got down to business. So I'm ready
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  Speaker 1: to go beautiful. Yeah. Well, without much further ado, let's
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  Speaker 1: introduce our guest. She is a recovering child actor. She's
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  Speaker 1: a writer. She wrote the book Where Am I Now?
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  Speaker 1: And she has a newsletter called shan't we tell the Vicar?
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  Speaker 1: Please give it up? Fromara Wilson. Hey, hello, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: The audience is so close, and that is something that
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  Speaker 1: is completely wasted on the podcast audience because they can't
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  Speaker 1: say it. I hate when people do that when they
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  Speaker 1: record podcasts and they'll be like and then I went
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  Speaker 1: like this, and then they'll do something with their hand
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  Speaker 1: that we can't see and I'm just like, explain what
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  Speaker 1: you just did? So so yeah, so so for those
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  Speaker 1: listening at home, the audience is close. But they're all
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  Speaker 1: beautiful people, so it's nice to look at you all.
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  Speaker 1: I do like the jarring nature of a room where
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  Speaker 1: you can make eye contact with everyone. Well, I get
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  Speaker 1: a good feeling from this audience, so yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: a good feeling. They're they're receptive audience so far, and
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  Speaker 1: they're very smiley, so yeah, this is good. Yes, some
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  Speaker 1: good eyeballs. Yes, because we can see you too. So
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  Speaker 1: Mara tell us about your relationship, your your history with
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  Speaker 1: the movie Elf. Okay, well, uh so, I remember when
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  Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I thought that I was like highbrow
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  Speaker 1: by reading like Entertainment Weekly, and you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: reading The Advocate a lot too. I was reading like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, which is like a game magazine.
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  Speaker 1: I was really in the closet guys, um, and I was,
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  Speaker 1: but I was really like, I was reading a lot
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  Speaker 1: about entertainment, and uh, I heard that Elf was a
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  Speaker 1: good movie. And I knew that my family we were
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  Speaker 1: going to go see movies over over winter break, and
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  Speaker 1: my stepmother would usually choose a romantic comedy that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't like because I was a very cynical teenager. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow, being a cynical teenager, I still chose to
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  Speaker 1: see ELF. I was like, let's go see Elf. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard that it's good and for like a holiday movie,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe, but like I feel like nobody and
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  Speaker 1: my family enjoyed it. And then like we were really
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  Speaker 1: quiet in the way home, and I feel like everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like my parents didn't like get my sister,
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  Speaker 1: my little sister says she liked it, but she didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to at the time, and I feel like everybody
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  Speaker 1: blamed me, like they didn't like the movie and they
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  Speaker 1: blamed me. And I remember being like being sixteen and
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  Speaker 1: being like, this is so stupid. So I didn't really
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  Speaker 1: think anything of it until a couple of years later. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's also probably worth mentioning that I grew up Jewish,
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  Speaker 1: um so a lot of holiday movies, although I was
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  Speaker 1: actually in a Christmas movie and at one point in
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  Speaker 1: my life, and uh, one thing I've got to say
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  Speaker 1: is if you ever have the chance to be in
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  Speaker 1: a Christmas movie or sing a Christmas song or something
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  Speaker 1: like that, go for it. Because even if it's bad,
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  Speaker 1: they need stuff to like fill the air on TV
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  Speaker 1: and radio. So even if it's terrible, do it and
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  Speaker 1: you will still make money. Like it is a very
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  Speaker 1: practical thing. Working in a Christmas working in the Christmas industry,
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  Speaker 1: you can say, is a very very that is a
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  Speaker 1: very pragmatic move. So, um, I didn't think much of it,
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  Speaker 1: although I did see the Broadway musical a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago because I was babysitting in New York and
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  Speaker 1: the kids I babysat their parents worked for for theaters
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  Speaker 1: and so we got front row tickets to elf um
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  Speaker 1: the Music Hall, and like, you know, you can think
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  Speaker 1: that like Will fair Old does a lot in this movie,
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  Speaker 1: but imagine the actor who had to play Buddy for
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  Speaker 1: two hours straight like there was an intermission and singing
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  Speaker 1: dance the whole freaking time. Like that guy, that guy
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  Speaker 1: is amazing. I wish I could remember his name. I
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  Speaker 1: am like still in awe of that guy. And not
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  Speaker 1: only that, but the kids I was babysitting with. They
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  Speaker 1: were like all dressed up to go to the theater
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  Speaker 1: and they were sitting in the front row with me.
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  Speaker 1: And at the end, he bowed and he bowed and
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  Speaker 1: he waved right at the kid that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the kids who was like front row center. So like
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  Speaker 1: that guy has my heart forever, like like Will Ferrell
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  Speaker 1: your grape, but like this is the true Buddy in
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  Speaker 1: my head. But I watched it again the other day,
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  Speaker 1: and um, it's not my favorite movie and it's not
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  Speaker 1: my favorite Christmas movie. But I was like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: get what they were going for now I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a cynical teenager anymore. And there's also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of actors in it that I like and you know,
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  Speaker 1: so I was just kind of like, Okay, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of cute. There's also things that really
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  Speaker 1: really have not aged well or even and we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird at the time, but but I imagine that
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  Speaker 1: we are going to get into this. So that is
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  Speaker 1: my long protracted relationship to ELF, which I thought I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have much of a relationship with it, but I
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  Speaker 1: just talked for five minutes straight, so I guess I do.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to give a shout out to the
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  Speaker 1: guy who played SpongeBob on Broadway now god right, because
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  Speaker 1: he had what Ethan Slater, Yes, shout out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I get you. Shout out to Ethan Slater. He first
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  Speaker 1: of all, is hot, which is SpongeBob shouldn't be hot.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, wow, it's crazy. Not as hot as
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  Speaker 1: squid word, but that I have a I have a
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  Speaker 1: power ranking that you can approach me afterwards if you dare. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: But SpongeBob, I mean he like climbed up like two
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  Speaker 1: stories set and like the third song and then he
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  Speaker 1: has to still be SpongeBob, but he has muscles. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: I know somebody who was in SpongeBob the musical and
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  Speaker 1: she also has limitless energy, So I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: that kind of makes sense. That's kind of what they
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  Speaker 1: go for. I love it. Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel really bad because I'm just like lauding this guy,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't remember what his name was. So just kids,
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  Speaker 1: everybody go home and google Buddy the elf In musical
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  Speaker 1: in Uh yeah, everybody do that and then like find
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  Speaker 1: him on Twitter and be like Marl Wilson says, you're awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that? Uh do you do that? If you?
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  Speaker 1: If you are Jamie, what's your history and relationship with
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  Speaker 1: the movie. I feel like this has happened to me
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of recent movies where I thought I
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  Speaker 1: had seen the movie but I actually hadn't, and I
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  Speaker 1: had just seen a lot of T shirts and had
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  Speaker 1: heard a lot of people say you've seen that. I
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  Speaker 1: think I just like, through years of lying, convinced myself
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  Speaker 1: and had seen it. I had. I had the same
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  Speaker 1: issue with Nightmare before Christmas, was like, nope, just been
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  Speaker 1: to a hot topic. I don't know what store this
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  Speaker 1: movie is associated with, so I don't have quite the
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  Speaker 1: same names, but the same problem. Yeah, sure, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it's weird because I was like the perfect age
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  Speaker 1: to see this movie when it came out. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what my mom's problem with Will Ferrell was exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but what she told me because I remember asking to
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  Speaker 1: see this movie because we you know, we were festive.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're like we would see stuff one of
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  Speaker 1: those fun festive families. I was like, Mom, can we
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  Speaker 1: go see Elf? And she was like, you know how
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  Speaker 1: I feel about that man? But her thing was too tall.
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  Speaker 1: I was like what she just was like, but there
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  Speaker 1: must have been a real reason, but she would just
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  Speaker 1: be like, too tall, We're not going my mom. My
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  Speaker 1: mom really didn't like an American Tale for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why, and maybe maybe she felt that
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  Speaker 1: they were like clearly Jewish characters, but they were like
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  Speaker 1: Christian washed into it because there was like a five
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  Speaker 1: of the Christmas Mouth story or something. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: got that feeling. But she told me she I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see five Will goes West, but she
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  Speaker 1: really didn't like an American tale and she said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we can't see that. It's it's going to be too
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  Speaker 1: gory and violent. I love a good mom. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: when you're later you're just like, oh, you just didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to go exactly exactly. So I just saw it today. Great, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw it when it came out in the theater
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  Speaker 1: possibly I can't remember, but within at least a year,
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  Speaker 1: but coming out I didn't exactly remember how I felt
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  Speaker 1: about it, except that the other day. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: like Netflix DVDs were popular and you would like rate
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  Speaker 1: what you thought of the DVD that you got. I
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: just saw the other day that I had rated Elf
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  Speaker 1: one star out of five. So apparently I absolutely hated it,
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  Speaker 1: I first thought, because I didn't rewatch it at any
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  Speaker 1: point until just a couple of days ago. And um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it, But I have really good reasons
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  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to tell you them. So shall
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  Speaker 1: I do the recap? Yeah? Alrighty? So okay, Well, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, okay, a story about a naive guy who
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: comes from a different part of the world and who
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: longs to be accepted by a new family. What is
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  Speaker 1: this Paddington from a mile away that time? Okay? So um,
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  Speaker 1: we learned about elves in the North Pole who build
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  Speaker 1: toys for Santa. They work in Santa's workshop and one Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: while Santa is delivering presents at an orphanage. A baby
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  Speaker 1: crawls into a stack of toys, and he accidentally takes
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  Speaker 1: the baby with him to the North Pole. The baby
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  Speaker 1: remained silent for the entirety of the rest of the trip.
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  Speaker 1: That bothered me. One of the elves adopts the baby.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Papa Elf Hot Hot. What if you're
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  Speaker 1: just like my My name's Daddy. No, I'm single, I
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  Speaker 1: have no children. I liked that. And the baby gets
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  Speaker 1: named Buddy, and he grows up to be Will Ferrell,
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  Speaker 1: and um, he's he's not like the other elves. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he's tall, and he's not as good at making toys.
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  Speaker 1: And he eventually learned the truth that he is a
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  Speaker 1: human whose mother died and whose father is this like
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  Speaker 1: big shop publishing guy in New York City. So right
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  Speaker 1: at the bat, we have a weird Disney princess vibe
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  Speaker 1: about Buddy where they're just like mother character. We're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna want to bother with that. Let's get to two
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  Speaker 1: men in conflict as soon as possible. So his dad
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know that Buddy existed. So Buddy sets off
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  Speaker 1: to New York City to understand by the way they
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  Speaker 1: like they like, don't I feel like it's still really
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  Speaker 1: taboo to have to have somebody like have a child
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  Speaker 1: when they aren't married in movies. Have you noticed that,
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  Speaker 1: like they're still still this thing or they don't. They'll
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  Speaker 1: they'll have like a single parent in it, but they
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  Speaker 1: won't ever And they really like didn't touch on the fact.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's a family movie, but you know, you
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  Speaker 1: never knew that she existed. They never The way that
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  Speaker 1: they touch on that I think is really interesting. It's
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  Speaker 1: like very specifically avoidant of like these people had sex
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  Speaker 1: and they were really young, and she decided to keep
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  Speaker 1: the baby, but didn't community like that's that's like a
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  Speaker 1: complicated thing to to, you know, but they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: keep it like that's still such like a for some reason,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: it's still like a taboo subject, I think, And it
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  Speaker 1: totally ignores like the concept of like, well, she probably
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  Speaker 1: didn't tell him for a reason. What if he's a
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  Speaker 1: bad guy, Like there's I don't know that, And then
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  Speaker 1: you keep seeing the same picture of her, but he's
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  Speaker 1: always longingly like I wish my toxic father would you know,
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  Speaker 1: like spoon me. But you're like a woman has died,
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  Speaker 1: Will Ferrell, What are you doing? Buddy sets off to
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  Speaker 1: New York City to find his dad and to find
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  Speaker 1: himself and cool. Sorry okay, but the only world that
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  Speaker 1: he knows is the elf world. So he shows up,
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  Speaker 1: he walks, hear, he works, Does he walk through Canada?
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  Speaker 1: How is he not cold and dead? He also gets
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: attacked by a raccoon. Do you do to elves? Get
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: like inoculations against rabies like the ones that you give
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to your cats and dogs. He also survives entirely on sugar, Like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: how is he not dead? What do the elves know
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that we don't about help and longitivity? Maybe that's why
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: they keep the whole thing a secret, because they're afraid
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that they're going to like get you know, taken over
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: for their secret. Right. Well, at one point, he says
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that his daddy Elf is like four hundred He's like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it took him four hundred nine years to figure out
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: how to make blah blah blah. Like, so yeah, they've
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: got like the elixir of life up there. Think, Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's kind of frightening and amazing. Yeah it's Christmas magic. Okay,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So that's that's our untapped resource, you know, or that
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they're they're renewable resources. Christmas. So he shows up and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he's naive. He you know, he's still dressed as an elf,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and he like thinks life is all about like hugs
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and candy canes and rainbows and the lack of knowledge
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of boundaries. Yes, So he shows up at his father's office,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but his father, Walter Hobbs played by James con He's like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't have no son. He's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: mean and he's on Santa's Naughty List, so that's why
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: he's like, screw you, buddy. And then Buddy goes to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a department store and he's are like, oh, I'll fit
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: in here in Santa's like whatever, like North Pole Station.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They yeah, he's basically at like Macy's, and they mistake
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: him for being an employee there. So he just seamlessly
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: integrates into that community. And that's where he meets Jovi,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: which is Zoe Deschanel's character Deschanel without bangs. It's confusing,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I know. And she works there as an elf, and Buddy,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: here's Jovie singing a song. Baby it's cold outside, not
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: just anywhere it's in the show. She's in the shower.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We will, we'll talk about it. There's not time to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: get into it here. My blood went cult. So Santa
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: comes into the store, but he's like, you're not the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: real Santa. They get into a fistfight. Buddy gets a
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: restraining order filed against him, and then we meet Um
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Walter's wife and son, and we learned that maybe Walter
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: isn't the most like attend to family man. But he
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: does bail Buddy out of jail, and he's like, let's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: get this paternity test. Let's get this figured out. It
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: turns out Buddy is his biological son, so he brings
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: him home. That paternity test takes like two seconds. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: think there's a missed opportunity for a really good Maury scene.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: There was, there really was. I think he would have
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: done the cameo no problem. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: shame the doctor played the doctor though. So so Walter
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is not happy about like Buddy being in his life. Also,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: his brother Michael, who's like, I don't know, twelve or
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: something like that, is also not pleased. But then there's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a snowball fight and then Michael's like, oh wait, Buddy's cool. Um,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and then he encouraged his buddy to ask out Jovi. Yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: very like the like suddenly a twelve year old knows
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: how adults were. He's like, oh, are you trying to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: get it in with so you're just like you you're twelve.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Please stop. Later on, Walter takes Buddy to work with him,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: sends Buddy to like the mail room because Walter is
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like trying to fix this problem with the children's book
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: at this publishing company, and he brings in Miles Finch,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and Miles Finch is a little person who Buddy mistakes
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: for an elf, and Miles understandably gets upset and storms
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: out first that Peter Dinkledge. Yeah, Peter Dinklage kicking his
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: ass A very satisfying scene to watch. He extremely wins
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that fight. Yes, So then Walter is furious and he's like, Buddy,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't care where you go,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: just leave my life. And then Buddy runs away, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: then Michael comes in. He's like, I'm scared our son.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Buddy ran away, And this is all happening in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: middle of this big pitch meeting, and then Walter has
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to decide to like, is he going to choose his
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: career or his family. Guess what I choose the family.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: This is all happening on Christmas Eve, by the way,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Santa is out delivering presents, but there's no Christmas spirit
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: because Buddy has no sense of belonging anymore, I guess.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of third act like sure that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: something about the sleigh isn't happening. It's powered by Christmas spirit,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but nobody in New York believes in Christmas anymore or
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: something right, and everyone watches the local news at the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: same time. You're just like, yeah, sure, whatever, we just
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: got to get this lane. And everybody gets to the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: same spot in Manhattan within five minutes. My friend pointed
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that out when we were watching, and he was like, everybody,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: everybody is just they're like, you know, okay, as soon
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: as I heard, and very very much like an improv scene,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: just leaping in, like you know. And then the second
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the dad sings, the plots resolved singing singing the power
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of music or something, but something Christmas cheers. That's way
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: to spread Christmas cheer is singing loud hard disagree. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Buddy's all like I gotta save Christmas. And Michael and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Walter show up to help. There's a guy who was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: actively harassing a reporter and he's like, you have a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: really nice mouth. Also, the other newscaster is harassing that reporter.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: He's like, sorry to interrupt your first big story, you dumbass,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to talk now, and then it cuts
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: back to her and someone is harassing her. But then
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it's so weird the trajectory of that female newscaster. For
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the few times we see her, we're just like, who
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: are you? Because it's like she's reporting the story, cut
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: away it to her boss, who was like, don't listen
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to her. Then we see her with Michael Buddy's little
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: brother and then he's like, all you wanted for Christmas
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: was for your boyfriend to propose. And then she's like
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: stop the cameras and she screams at a child, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it just like I don't know where I land on
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this lady. So basically after that, jovis like, oh, we
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: gotta get Christmas cheer up and running again. So she
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: starts to sing, even though she doesn't like to sing
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in public, but then everyone joins in and then the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: sleigh starts to work, and then Christmas is saved and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: then like the due mall of the story. Don't worry,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I have a master's scream screen. Oh my god, because
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I feel ill. The family accepts him now, and he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: wrote a children Buddy wrote a children's book about himself
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: self indulgent. Hello, Uh, way to blow your load on,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like you know, on one thing, Like, how the hell
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: are you gonna follow that up? Yeah? He should have
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: made it a series, Yeah, idiot. Uh. And then he
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and Jovie get married, I guess, and have a baby,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and then they go to visit Elf Daddy and that's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the end of the movie. This is a fun movie
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: where you're just like, you're like, is a woman going
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to appear in this movie at all? Is this a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: show shank situation? Like it takes a very long time
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for women to affect the plot at all. And I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: would argue that that even hardly happens. Yes, you're right, Well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: let's go home. There's a lot of like implied women,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: or there's a lot of women who are like a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: woman gave birth to Buddy, we don't see her alive
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a photo of her. Well, even from the very beginning,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like in the in Santa's Workshop, there are way more
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: male elves than lady elves, and I think there's only
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: one ELF woman who gets aligned. She yeah, and then
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: she's like, buddy, you're awesome, and then she just disappeared.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They're also they're also all white, I noticed, which is like, yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I've seen I feel like other depictions of elves I've
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: seen have been like, like, no, there are multicultural elves,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: elves from different Yeah, it's supposed to be like a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: worldwide everyone, but this is like fashi elves just like yikes,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And it makes me wonders since there are so few
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: elf women. Earlier, like when the narrator is setting everything up,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, there's only three jobs that are available
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to elves. It's either making shoes, baking cookies, or Santa's workshop.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, so does that mean all the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: elf women are baking cookies, like doing the domestic thing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm speculating here, but who's the elf Betty freedom, you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: stepping in? You know? Also its fucking unionized man, right,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I mean there's only three jobs available for you? Yeah? Yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: there just aren't enough elf woman in the workforce, right, Um,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know they were so quick to adopt Buddy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean they needed more people in there, and they
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: needed they needed Yeah, they needed hands. I don't know.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a Smurfette principal thing where there's only and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they all. I mean, you would think population would be
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: an issue if everyone's living five hundred years, But I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe some elves die very young. I don't
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: know what age does elf menopause hit and then six
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: h Yeah, like you start craving things that aren't sugar
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: when you get et goo through elf menopause or something.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, it's very different. I'd like a detailed
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: study of that. I do. I do enjoy that it
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: was the elf daddy who like took the responsibility to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: adopt Buddy, because I feel like it could have easily
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: been like the one elf woman you see takes on
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like the matron mother role. Sure, but that doesn't happen,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and so we get a single dad. So yes, he's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: also funny, is very He has that kind of like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about SpongeBob, that kind of SpongeBob
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: quality of like of not being overly masculine or just
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: not being being kind of you know, well until he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: gets until he likes meets Jovi and and like disrespects
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: people's boundaries in New York and stuff like. But at first,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's sweet. He's not doing things that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: are like traditionally gendered and it's it's kind of cute.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's he's really into giving people hugs
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and being sweet and giving compliments and things. You know, Okay,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: he should ask before he does. Yeah. Yeah, As it
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: goes on and the same way, yeah, I mean, it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like you definitely have like a cool version of masculinity
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: presented here where he is never trying to wrong anyone ever,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and like you know, comes from a place of love.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, we have a consent issue here.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it's because he's he is
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: such a lovable character and like he I don't know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's too tall personally. I think he's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just tall enough. Uh see. I had a different read
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: on that, where he is like a very loving, accepting person,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: but once he gets into the real world, he is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: acting like a man baby. It's almost like the born
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday trope thing happening, but like born sexy yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: non sexy yesterday. I'm sorry, but I mean he's not like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know, a traditional like hot lady bombshell. Like he's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: not loud at any point, although he does expose himself
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to but he has like this childlike mind that I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: only have the patients for for about eleven seconds one star,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: which gets weird when you consider the romantic subplot of
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the movie where he has like a childlike understanding of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the world and of everyone around him. But then he
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: does like start to feel sexual feelings for a woman
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: who reciprocates, but he has given her no reason other
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: than the fact that he's like a nice guy, which
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is a good reason. But he's a baby. He has
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the mind of a baby, and she's like, oh, well
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: he's hot, and so they're really is odd. Well, that's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what That was one of my main issues with the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: movie in general, as you can remove the romantic subplot
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and nothing about the movie would change, Like if Zoe
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Deschanelle didn't sing acapella at the end of this movie,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: nothing would change. Uh. And that's I mean, I feel
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: like that is such a I'm sure it was like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, studio and of shoehorn In and he's got
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to fall in love, but they don't really give her
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: anything of narrative impact to do other than be his
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: wife eventually, which is too bad because there I think
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that there are so many interesting, good characters in this movie.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But I agree with you that, like, like going straight
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to an adult relationship that leads to marriage what it
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: appears to be very quickly, doesn't make a lot of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: sense for this character who has just entered the adult
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: world for the first time, And it doesn't make a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: lot of sense for Jovi, who it's like, yeah, he's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a nice guy, but he like came into a room
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: while she was showering and began to sing the most
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: problematic Christmas song available that for me is like enough
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: reason to be like, yeah, I'm not going to date
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: this person. So he comes into the locker room while
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: she's showering and sings baby it's cold outside and growing
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: up Jewish. This was I think the first time that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I had heard that song, Like I was a teenager
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and it was the first time, like I probab they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: like harded in the background, but I I didn't know
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: what it was. I didn't know the name of the song.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that I really did not know the lyrics,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: so this was like kind of a route awakening for
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: me at sixteen and being like what the funk is
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: this song? And like I'm sorry, like like like Christians,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I I know you only have like the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: two holidays, whereas we have like fifty you know, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and like I mean, Hanakah has really only lumped in
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: with Christmas at all, Like we don't need hanaka songs
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and movies so much because it's actually a very minor holiday.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: The only reason that it's put together that that you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: like get exchange presents at all is because of capitalism
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and marketing and you know, putting these things in to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: make more money to market to more people. See some
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Jews in the audience nodding um and then but yeah,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: but that's and that's so it's it's you know, it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: one of many holidays for us. I get that, like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Christmas is like a big deal, but I don't get
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: why you guys want to make Christmas sexy. Believe me,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I am all for sexy things, Like sexiness has its own,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: has it, Like you know, there's a time and place
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: for a lot of sexy things. And you know, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: have nothing against sexiness, but like, Christmas isn't a sexy thing.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't know why this song about being cold
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and and you know this this playful creepiness where it's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: actually written as the parts are the parts for that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: song are actually called wolf and mouse. I don't know
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: if you guys knew that. Yeah, And and there's so
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: many people now who there there's there's a backlash to,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and then there's the backlash to the backlash, and then
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: there was the backlash of the backlash of the backlash.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But just like overall, like fuck that song. It's not
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a good song. And Christmas isn't sexy. There's nothing sexy
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: about hanging around with your family. I love my family,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I'm close with my family, but there is nothing sexy
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: about that. Yes, agree, I totally agree with my family sexy,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: no kidding. One star. So the shower scene is troubling,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and then a moment the worst leaning up to the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: shower scene is also troubling because it's Buddy seeing Jovi
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: for the first time. There's like this like angelic lighting
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that lights up from the Christmas tree and he's like oh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and then he goes over to her and tries to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: initiate a conversation and a few different times she either says,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: please stop talking to me, go away, thanks, but I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: don't sing. He's like trying to get her to sing
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: or something, and then he like blocks her from being
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: able to move. She's like trying to get past him
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and he's like blocking her path. And then just a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: few scenes later is the shower scene where he hears
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: her singing goes into the women's locker room. Also there
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the Elves get a locker room, Like what is this place?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I was just like, this is a really nice shower
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they actually they do. They have and and one thing
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that I noticed there is that she goes, why are
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you bothering me? Did Crumpet put you up to this?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: And I and I realized that was David Sedaris's name.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: When he was in Santa Land, he wrote a book,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the Santaland Diaries, and he wrote that into
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of his writings, and I was like, oh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Amy Sadaris, his sister is in this movie. That's probably
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a shout out to to David saderas a lot of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the you know, New York comedians knew him, and uh
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and yeah, but yeah, he has written about, and he
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: has says that they did actually get locker rooms to
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: change in. Interesting. Yeah, and because they had like their
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: special uniforms that were given to them, you had to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you had to wear what it was you
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: would change and you know, they probably weren't as nice
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: as the ones they're also Zoeya Shanell says she's showering
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: there because her water was turned off. But like it
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: shows her apartment later and that is a nice apartment
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: by New York standards. That is a nice big apartment
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to be living in, you know, on your own, right.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But she's eating ramen, so she's poor, yes, But because
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: he has such a childlike understanding of the world, he
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't realize that he's like invading this space. Apparently doesn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: realize that she is naked in the shower and then
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: just like is sitting near where she is and then
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: sings along with her. So that's horrible and scary. Um.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: She does confront him a few scenes later where she
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: but that scene ends with her being like because she
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: starts by saying like, hey, I need to talk to you,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and then she asked him, why did you do that?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what I just love Christmas. And then
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: she's like Okay, it's like that is they could have
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: cut the first two scenes and replaced it with anything
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, to establish their relationship because like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: because watching this, I the thing is that, like I know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: there's the obnoxious like you know, this person makes you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: see the world in like a different way. But like
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I've got to say that like being like a grumpy,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: morbid person myself, Like I have dated a lot of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: people where like they came in and they were like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: let's have fun and I was like the grudge and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: be like okay, and then I was like, alright, fun,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I'm actually having fun. Okay, this is a good time.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's actually like that's happened to me in
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: my life, where like, you know, you meet somebody cheerful
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and in affect your life in a positive way, Like
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that is a thing that happens. It's a stupid trope,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: but it is a thing that has happened in my
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: life at least, And you know it could have been
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: done in a way without him creeping on her, right,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But the fact that so many romantic storylines in movies
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: start out this way where it's like she's like, no, no, no,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: get away from me, don't talk to me. The most
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: egregious example of this, I think, at least of the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: movies that we've covered, was The Notebook, where like Rachel
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: McAdam says, no, like kill myself if you don't go
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: on a little date with me. You know. I had
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a guy come up to me. I was I was
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: actually I think my friend is in the audience tonight,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: who was with me. We were in Europe together after
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: my as she's smiling, I can see her. Uh. And
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I was in Vienna and we were like separated for
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a few days and I went off on my own
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to this park and there was like a ferris wheel nearby,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and this guy came by and asked me, asked me
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to go out with him and go to a party
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with him, and I was like no, and I told
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: him over and over again. I was like, no, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: have a boyfriend's no, I'm not interested. I'm not interested.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And he tried to get really philosophical and ME was like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: but you just don't know where life is going to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: leave to you. And I think eventually I just walked away.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: He never did anything like physically threatening. He was just
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it was just kind of stupid. But like I told
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: some people about it afterwards and they were like, oh,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like the Notebook, Oh that romantic fan Pi. That's yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that movie is just like The Notebooks a whole other situation. Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's like I'm gonna kill myself if you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: don't be my girlfriend. Well yeah, see, I I had
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: like a really complicated relationship with that movie because I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: was like so much about this as upsetting, but I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: had like a really big crush on Rachel McAdams, so yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: so but then I watched her in other things, so
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. The thing that's especially troubling about this
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: movie is that it is appropriate for children, So like
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: kids are seeing this and they're like, oh, that's how
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you ask a woman out. You wear her down until
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: she finally says yes, and then that works. And that's yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a lot of it is. It's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: like super trophy. And I would almost attribute it to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: bad writing. But it's bad writing because so many people
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: had already done uh freaky not good relationship that teaches
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you to not respect what a woman is telling you.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, I don't think it's a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: badly written movie, I think, But I do, yeah, I mean,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I do think that there was I think that there
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: was also kind of a thing at the time. I mean,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm also defending it because it was a Jewish
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: man who wrote this, and I like feel for my
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: my fellow Jewish film people making and being in Christmas movies. Um,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: but now I feel like it was just kind of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a weird common trope. At the time, the early two thousand's,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: there was just this huge, like plethora of romantic comedies
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and that was in like every single one of them. Well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: this is the year being worn down. I'm pretty sure
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: this is the same year is Love Actually comes out?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Love Actually? And I think the Notebook too there. Yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like all in the same
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: year that these come out. So that's not the greatest
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, I don't think it's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a badly written movie. I think that that's the romantic
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: plot is was not written very thoughtfully, because there is
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a version of this story that Zoey Deschanel's character goes
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on to do anything else other than show up in
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the last scene and be like nol la la la
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: la la la yeah, and so so in now it
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: it's just if you take her character out of the movie,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: how much changes. I feel like Buddy's character changes enough
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: just with his own family that you can sort of
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: get to the same place, which just to me is like, well,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and she's not given enough to do and she's just
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: so underwritten as a character that when he does ask
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: her out, we she says yes, but we don't know
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: why because she's so underwritten that she has nothing in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: common with him because we don't know anything about her.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And then okay, so I want to talk about the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: scene where he does ask her out because his brother
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is with him, this twelve year old kid, and he's like, hey,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Buddy asked her out on a date to eat food.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And if she says yes, you're in. It's like a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: secret code girls have. And I think that's meant to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: be a joke. Yeah, I think, but yeah, but it's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: implying that a woman's saying yes a K giving consent
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: is code for yes yes yes means yes. I guess.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it sounds like it might not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: be a code. I was like trying to process, like
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: is this meant to be like a really funny joke
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: or is it just like, look at this dumb kid
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: who doesn't understand like dating yet. But like I was
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: just like, what a weird line dad into the movie.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I do think that that was supposed to be a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: joke in the like whole like Michael's like the child
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: what is beyond his years and He's gonna show buddy
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: how to because I'm like, because Michael's dating all the time,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he's twelve, you know. Well, I mean that's kind of
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the theme of the movie. I feel like that's the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: theme of a lot of Christmas movies, is is you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the innocent will lead us, and there's this message of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: maintain that childhood innocence and also just believe. It's interesting
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to me that so many Christmas movies have the message
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of just believe in everything will come to you. You know.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It's this you know, just believe and believe in Santa Claus.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And I always thought that was kind of weird from
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: an outsider's perspective, you know, once I was sort of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: old enough to take a look at that, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and people would point that out in Christmas movie that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I was in. I was like, yeah, I guess it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is kind of weird that you are telling children. The
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: message here is like over and over again, believe, believe, believe, believe,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and then later on it's like, oh, by the way,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that's a lie. By the way, that's not true. And
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that's not to say, like, of course, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: do think that there is value in in you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: celebrating Christmas with Santa Claus and you know, having these
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: sort of magical moments with children, Like I don't think
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: these are a bad thing at all, but I do
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: think that it's interesting that the message that always comes
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: across is like stay young, stay innocent, and always believe
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: unless we are in like the third act of a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Christmas movie right now, and Kurt Russell as hot Santa
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna like burst in and be like we need
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you to believe or else we're kind of and then
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the three of us need to be like, okay, we
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: believe and yeah, you're right. Also, like, it always annoyed
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: me that, like it annoyed me that Santa got so
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: much credit for going all over the world and it's like, yeah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: he probably skips like the majority like Buddhist and Muslim countries,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you know, so he probably he has he stops a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: few places, you know, and then and then gets in
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: his sleigh. It's not it's it's all the Christian families.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: It's not you know, he's he's slacking off. It's not
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the whole world. Also, Santa Santa as he's presented in
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: this movie is kind of all over the place where
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Santa like brags to Buddy several times, like I know
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: how the world works. I'm fucking Santa. But then when
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Buddy is like, cool, I'm going to the world, Santa
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: gives him, oh advice, He's just like, cool, good luck. Also,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that famous race sucks. It sucks. I got food poisoning
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: from there, anyway, go on, yeah, I don't know that. Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And then at the end Santa, when Santa needs helped,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: when Santa x Mocina falls out of the sky, he
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, everyone fixed my sleigh. I was like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: what was your plan? B sir? Like what how would
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: we have gotten this up? So, like, Buddy travels to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: New York City from the North Pole on foot, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: it seems like Christmas is only like a week or
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: two later. Why didn't he just wait and then Santa
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: could give him a ride? Like it was something he
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: had to do on his own. Come on, yes. Also,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: can we talk about how um naughty has exactly two
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: connotations and it's Christmas if you're naughty or nice, or
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's sexy. So actually I think Christmas is sexy. But
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: actually this is one of the reasons I think that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Christmas is creepy, and maybe that's why I don't like
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the word naughty anyway, Okay, when we talk about the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: surprise kiss that happens because Buddy and Jovi go on
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: their date, they're ice skating, he surprised kisses her on
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the cheek, but then she's like you missed, and he's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like what, and then she grabs his face and then
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: kisses him on the lips. So she was, as was
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the audience. We are allowed to believe into him kissing her,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: but he just like lunged at her initially, like I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's the whole thing of him being sexual,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: even though we've only seen him act like a child
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: up until that point. He's like eating pop tarts and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: like gum drops on spaghetti with maple syrup and chocolates
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: like he's a baby. And it always appear to me
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: in movies where they when they sexualize either children or
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: childlike characters. You know, that always bothers me. It is weird.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I mean like weird. Did Buddy learn to kiss? You know? Also,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: he's you know, he's thirty right. Being in the North
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Pole does not explain why he has a baby's brain, Like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: there are the other elves with him seem to be
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: regular adults who can like function the world as adults,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: so it does well, why is he a baby? I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: think that in this movie the something that is confusing,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: but it's like he's so fun to watch that we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: don't question it. Is that, like happiness and stupidity are
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: conflated completely. He's happy, so he must be idiot. He
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: can't even read. Yeah, yeah, Like you're like, oh, it
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: works for the character, but then when you bring him
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: out in the world, you're like, wait, I thought he
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: was just happy when he was just happy and too
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: big for the chairs. But there are some female characters
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: in this movie that I like, but they are not
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: given a lot to do. Um. One of them is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a Airiss, the secretary. She's who you here talking on
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the phone to a friend saying that she she's like, well,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, deb I've never declaude kittens before, but
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I guess I can do it. Like I want a
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: movie about her. And and this is Amy Sadaris, so
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: she probably came up with that on the fly, which
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it is her talking to another woman. Um. And and
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you know, imagine if it this this movie barely kind
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: of sort of passes, but only because of that was
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: she probably just made up? Um. But there's also there's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: also I also like Mary stein Virgin's character. I like
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Mary stein Virgin in general. I think, yeah, I love
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: her too. There is a lot of actors in this
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: movie that I really love. But she she is very
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: okay and excited and happy about Buddy being there. She's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: not like, he's not my son, I don't want him here.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: He She is very encouraging. She's like, I can't wait
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: to meet your son. It's so sad, but so beautiful
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that this happened, you know where. Let's make him a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: part of the family. So there isn't this evil stepmother trope.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Just nice, it's this very warm, welcoming one. Yeah, it
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: would have been an easy choice to make her like
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a very shrewy like I'm jealous and I don't want
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this strange man from the woman that you've fucked earlier
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to be in my house. Also, she talks a lot
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: about her job. She's like, I have an accounts meeting
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: or an accounting meeting that day. She's got her own career, right,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: we don't really know she's There's one time she's like,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I have to do the budgets this, that's what it is.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Like yep, sure, because he was like, you stay home
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and take care of Buddy, because James con no, no, no, budgets. Yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I stand corrected. But that's another thing
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: with Buddy's character where he has such a bizarre blind
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: spot to adult women in general, where he never questions
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: like what went on with my biological mom? That's never
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: really a question that's raised. Also, elves know what death
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: is like? Is this going to be a shock for him? Uh?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: And then with Mary stein Bergin's character, she is showing
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: him much more love and acceptance and affection. And it's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: not that he responds to that negatively, but he's just
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: sort of like, cool, thanks, here's some spaghetti. And but
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: like he he doesn't get attached to her in a
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: way that he gets he really only but with the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: exception of Zoe Deschanelle's character only gets attached to like
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: other men around him. Maybe he's also attracted to people
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: who don't like him, because Zoe Does's character doesn't like
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: him at first. He's just kind of like, I don't understand,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you know, he he but it's it's it's not exactly healthy.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like I'm totally over analyzing this.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: But you know, let's armchair diagnosed buddy. Well, that's a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: thing about this movie is that mental health is treated
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: really in a strange and mishandled way, where like people
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: keep saying the buddy is insane or that he's chemically imbalanced.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: That phrase gets thrown around and then the doctor character
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: played by Jon Favreau says something like, oh, yeah, he's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: probably reverting to this like stage of blah blah blah whatever.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Just take him home and he'll probably drop the whole
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: act after a while. And it's like, I'm sorry, that's
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: your medical advice, doctor, Okay, uh yeah. Dr Jon Favre
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: prescribes like love, You're just like alright, cool. That feels
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like a very two thousand three thing. Now, that was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: very much you know, the age of the secret and
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: just like just be better about it and you'll be better,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: you know, just to be better about it. And yeah,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: this is such a because I was like, oh, two thousands,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: it is such like a Bush era movie in general,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: because you're like, okay, well everyone's white and uh, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that we do see a black Santa. We do see
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a black Santa boss at the department store because they
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: have to fire the other Santa who gets into a fight,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and then he assumes the role at Santa. Will Farrell
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: was like in every movie in those days, like he
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: really was. I remember like all of us joking like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you know when we were I don't know, remember having
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like a joke with my friends like when we really
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: tired it from school, being like wish we could have
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: whatever Will Ferrell is having. I don't know. This is
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: what theater and film majors, you know. I think it's funny,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, because he was he was just
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in everything in those days. He was in. He would
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: be in like five movies a year, and it was
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: just like this is this is it? Yeah, there's another
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: quick point. And I wanted to make about so towards
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the end um, whenever they're trying to prove that Santa
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: is real in like they're all everyone's in Central Park
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and Michael gets ahold of Santa's list of naughty people
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and nice people too, and um, he starts treating from
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: it on the air. So he's going through and he
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: was like, this girl wants a pop up girl's place that,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: this boy wants an electric guitar. This girl wants a
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: dog called Susie, talks a lot, and then this boy
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: wants talking a lot. Uh, this boy wants a pair
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: of like Nike shoes. This grown woman which we talked
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: about once, Tiffany engagement ring and her boyfriend to stopped
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: dragging his feet and to commit already. So it's he's
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like very gendered like toys, where like the boys want
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: like the tough, traditionally masculine toys and the girls all
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: want like dolls or um. And not to like disparage
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: any of that, but it is so again you're just like, oh,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: we're not thinking above what the normal thing would be here.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And then the one guy who they're like, oh, this
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: guy wants a spa thing, and it cuts to a
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: grown man and then like everyone turns to him and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, you want to relax, you fucking and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that's like it's also the age of the metrosexual too,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: like that was the thing you had like straight men
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: talking about getting pedicures in you know, in People magazine
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: all the time. So it was a little weird. Yeah,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: but like the one time that there was like, oh,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna like not adhere to this like rigid gender
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: toy norm thing is like a guy who wants like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a and everyone's like, what a fucking disgusting sick. There's
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like a few moments that I think sort of fall
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: under the same umbrella that happened between Buddy and his
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: dad a few times where it's weird because like with Buddy,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: once he's in New York, everything has to be like,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: well there was a boundary issue there too. But with
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the dad, there's times where he's like and then we
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: could hold hands and then we could cuddle, and the
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: dad's like, no, I would never cuddle with my son,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and it's just like very again, it's like the gender
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: norms of male affection works with handshakes and that's it.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: You can't spoon your son. I mean, the movie does
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: end with with Buddy sitting on his adoptive father's lap.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean never had an issue with it.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Daddy Elf was always very affectionate, but it was crushing
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Daddy Elf sounds yeah, it sounds like a wine. Oh
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: that was my question. Okay, as it pertains to Buddy's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: understanding of sexuality, So elves, how much are they fucking right?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Because they live a long time. Maybe they're not super
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: horny because species wise, they don't need to stay with me.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: They don't because they don't need to reproduce as much.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're not as horny than people with less time.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: So like, how like how sea turtles are like the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: like the land turtles only funck like like once every
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you know, ten years or something, because you're like they're like, well,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I've got time. I don't need to be
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: frantically fucking all the time. I'm a turtle. So I'm
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: getting closer. So I think why Buddy has the brain
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of a baby is because elves live a thousand years,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and so if he's thirty, he's basically three, you know
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So he's like la la la, because
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the elves when they're thirty, they're like, we're not going
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to be fucking for like, you know, for for at
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: least a century plus. What my original question was was,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: has Buddy seen porn? Like elf porn? It would have
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to be elf born. I mean, I don't know what
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: else it would be unless I don't know. That's my
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I guess that's his understanding of sexuality, because he does
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: marry the first woman he meets. Yeah, what was that conversation?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: What was his understanding? I don't know. I get, well,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: it's the born sexy Yesterday thing again. She has to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: teach him how to sex and then he's like, Okay,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: that's Mary. I don't know if that's responsible. I don't know.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: My only question was was their porn? Okay? Well, but
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: no one has that answer. Does anyone have any other
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: things they want to talk about? I didn't want to say. Yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I I that this movie was both written and directed
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: by Jewish people, which I kind of find interesting. And
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: but I mean, if you actually look at it, like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: most of the songs, like most of the best Christmas
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: songs were also written, like like Urban Berlin and you
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: know Ruth Red Red Nose Reindeer, all these songs were
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: written by Jewish people, So like it is kind of Yeah,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of funny and kind of
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: strange that that, like this movie where it's all about
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Christmas spirit. Christmas Spirit is was written by by people
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: who like had rabbi's performed their weddings and stuff. But
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. I I that I found
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I think very interesting. Oh also Peter, Yeah, the thing
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: with Peter, the scene with Peter Dinklage where they're just
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: like making fun of him, where Buddy just keeps calling
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: him an elf, like over and over again. Like even
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: in like two thousand and three, I was like, this
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is not this isn't cool. Yeah, isn't funny. No, it's
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: not funny. And then then it's like okay, I mean
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the Peter dinklich character wins the fight and says everything
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that the audience is even though he's he comes in
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: hot of like I fuck more than you'll fucking your life,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: where you're just like whoa now starts every argument that way? Uh?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I I couldn't make heads or tails
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of that scene. Yeah, Like that would have been insensitive
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, and now it just is
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: like who what whose idea was this? And what did
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: it add Yeah, at the very least, buddies insensitive comments
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: go challenged by the person that he's directing them toward.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: But it sucks that like the one time you get
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: representation on screen of a little person, it's like, oh,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you're enough, it's the joke. Yeah, And Peter dinklis has
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: been very good about saying like, I don't never want
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to play Elves. I want to play these characters that
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: are you know, where they're either you know, actual people,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: they're not. It's not a joking thing where it's not
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: treated in this certain way or it's addressed, but it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: an addressed in an in an honest and open way
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and not you know and not like this. So I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that that he chose this movie,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like that's his bardom, that's his choice.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And and I love see I love Peter English, so
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I love seeing him in anything like I don't know
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: if you always saw that meme where there it's just
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones theme, but it's just the words
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Peter Dankledge song to the theme Dinklage Peter dlishe. Yeah,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I love that meme because I love Peter d Engklige. Yeah,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I do remember thinking when like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: he said, like I never do do these things. I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: was like, I wonder how he feels about ELF in retrospect,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: kind of like the way that Viola Davis has said,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: like she feels conflicted about the help and you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. I was always like, I wonder if
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: he if he you know, I mean he does get
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to be strong and kick Will Ferrell's ass. So yeah,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I mean I did. I regret everything I said yesterday.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure like people who have done things, you know,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: from the early two thousand's, and they might do it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: differently today. It's just yeah that I mean, I was
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: in some movies in the early two thousand's that yeah,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: so I completely understand now I'm kidding that here. I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: had a great time making them. Blah blah blah blah
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: blah represent represent explanation. Um I did. It's true, I did,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: even if I wasn't done always the best movies. But yeah, anyway,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: go on, But that I don't know that moment, just
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: like it is so bizarre because most of the like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: quote unquote misunderstandings that Buddy has in the real world
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: are usually pretty innocent and it you know, it's not
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: always the greatest joke of your life, but you're like,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: he don't understand how doors work. He crazy man. And
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like, but what if
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: he did this very offensive thing? But we still love
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: him so much, and it just is, it's such. It
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: was just a strange choice, especially like that role was
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: written specifically as a cast a little person. It's not
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: a little person, just who can exist in the world
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: as a normal person. That role was written so that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: he could then be made fun of, so I mean,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and Peter Nichols has been in many other movies where
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: that's not the case, so that's good, But for this movie,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: that's the scenario, and it's you know, not the best.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I hope his residuals are good. They are because, as
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I told you, Christmas movies, they pay love it um
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: any other any other thoughts. There is a really good
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: cast in this movie, Like that's that's a thing. There's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of really good actors in I forgot that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Amy Sadaris was in it, and she's one of my
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: strangers with Candy. I don't know if anyone's seen it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: but that's like one of the big shows ever and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: she is phenomenal in it, but too bad that she
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: gets maybe a minute and thirty seconds of screen time,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Like she hardly has any bearing on the story. She's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I think she's like the one woman working at the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: office there. Yeah, there's there's two women. There's like a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: woman that he compliments wearing a purple dress. Wearing a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: purple dress, yes, um, but yeah, she's she's one of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: two women that work in that office, which I mean
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: that is not true of publishing. I've got to tell
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you you go to publishing and it's like I love
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: going to my publisher's office because it was just like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a bunch of like short women in uh like sweaters
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that were just covered in cat and dog hair. I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: was just like, I love you guys. You are my people,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: especially children's publishing. Yeah, I'm like, why was this? I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: did appreciate seeing an older white male character who was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: just blatantly horrible at his job and should have been fired. Like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: we don't very frequently get to see mediocrity on full display.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like, we do, but it's not acknowledge exactly.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, of course, he has this job. As
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite tropes ever is uh the story
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: within the story and everybody's like, wow, this is the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: most amazing thing ever where people will be like this
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: story or this movie is just fantastic, and it's like,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: of course they think the author wrote them both. You know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: like like everybody's just so into the story. So I do,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I do. I've kind of find it funny that it's like,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he made millions, you know with Buddy the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Elf the book right, which is which is such a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: great story. I'd watch a movie about it and go
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: see a musical or see a musical about it. Well,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: let's take some questions or comments from the audience, if
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: we've got any, Yeah, come on down so you can
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: be on the mic. Um, I'm curious to hear what
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: you guys think about that special Someone joke because I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: feel like they were kind of making fun of women's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: sexuality within that joke when Buddy gave that lingerie to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: his dad, which was like really uncomfortable in all sense
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: of worn. Clearly Buddy hasn't seen porn. There's my answer. No,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: But also maybe elf sexy stuff is different. Maybe it
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: is right. So the joke is that he sees in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the store like a sign that's like get this for
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: your someone special, and it's like sexy lingerie. Uh, and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: then he gives it to his dad because again, he
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: has the brain of a child, and he has no
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: understanding of sexuality or that that would not be an
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: appropriate gift to give his father. So I don't know,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's making fun of women's sexuality
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: so much is that it's making fun of his inability
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: to understand anything about the world. But the fact that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it is like a sexy woman's garment is the butt
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: of the joke. So that at the end you see
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: it on the chair next to Mary's Team Virgin, So
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: he probably passed it on. But I always wondered, like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: she think, yeah, like like you might have this like
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: love actually moment where she comes across this this nightgown
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and is like is this for me? Or is this
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: for someone else? Or is this you know? And but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: he's just very lucky that he chose her her size,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: because that could have led to some like like anxiety
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and doubt and confusion and like disbelieve in, you know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: in their marriage, which already was like not the most,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you know, happy and healthy, it seems. I mean the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: first scene when he comes home and he's like I'm
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: not eating with you and leaves and she's like okay,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and then the sun is like can I leave as well?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, poor Mary has been here for a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: minute and everyone she's way too accommodating, especially to her,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: like she's really shitty husband who's a bad husband and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a bad father and and bad at his job. He's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: really not good at much. But she's I feel like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: so underwritten that she was like, well, what, everything's fine?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: So Christmas? Any any other thoughts questions? Yeah, come on down. Um,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: since this movie is severely lacking in diversity, who would
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: you cast as Alfred Molina? Thank you for asking. Um.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of opinions. I think that Alfred Molina,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you know, could have been Buddy. Obviously, he could have
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: been buddy. He can play anything, right. Uh oh, he
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: could have been daddy help easily. But what I think
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: is the best solution is to cast him as James
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: CON's son. That would be the ideal that they're like,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: oh here's my son, Michael. He's twelve. Alfred Molina is
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: not even doing an American accent, just bully Brenda. She's like, hello,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: my name is Michael. I'm surprised you didn't. I'm surprised
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: you didn't say Santa yea. I well, no, I have
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: to cast him as Santa in Santa University, so I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: can't have him being associated with another Santa franchise. That's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: just good business. So but yeah, no, I think he
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: would play I think, you know, we know he can
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: play anything, so let's see if he can a twelve
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: year old. Great question, Thank you for any others? Oh yeah,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: where hi? I was wondering what you all thought about
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: feminist icon raccoon who attacks Buddy good call, good call?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: First of all, how many nipples does a raccoon have? Eight, ten, twelve?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't know. I don't know what
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: if it's just one? Does any animal? Does any animal
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: have one? I don't think so. I think it's always even,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: it's always sets. They come in sets. But well, your question,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: what do I think of him? I think that indeed,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: femtast icon, maybe even queer icon. I think that the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: raccoon is certainly an ally um And also Buddy who's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: not good at you know, listening per se to what
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: people are trying to communicate to him. Raccoon is like
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: being explicitly clear, and so we know moment one, but
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: he's not going to take cues in this world. And
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I know in two thousand three we were all there,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: go with me on this journey. Uh. And and two
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: thousand three we're like, oh my god, the raccoons being
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: so rude to will farell Is the raccoon on her period? Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: like what is wrong with raccoons? I know a lot
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: about raccoons, but I don't know if they actually I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: don't think they do. I think it's like, no, they do,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: but it's like it's not like human is. It's like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you don't see it. That sounds better. Uh. But then
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: in eighteen we're like, actually, where's the film? Frand tries
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: for the raccoon because she really has a story we
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: didn't explore, so her and her I think she should
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: be in a movie with Amy, Saidaris, and Amy Saidarius
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: will be like, boy, I've never had clawda raccoon before,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, and the raccoons. The raccoon teaches her
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that liked clawing is like actually bad and you shouldn't
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: do it because it hurts your cats. And I'm a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: cat lady, so I know this. But yeah, that's that's I.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I do also love raccoons. I'm I'm always in support
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: of raccoons and almost everything. They're one of my favorite animals. Um,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I really love them. I have like a raccoon puppet
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: at home that pops out of a little garbage can.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: So um, I'm I'm almost always on team Raccoon. I'm
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: almost always on on team Raccoons. So the puppet I
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: didn't see coming. I will say, Look, I was at
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I was at I was at a convention, I was working,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: and I saw I was like, oh, it's a little
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: stuffed animal. Oh okay, it's a puppet, all right. Well
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it half there. So people don't think that
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like a puppet person. Although I actually did learn
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: how to do puppetry at n y U. But that's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a whole other story. And what use a weird place, guys, Um,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a puppet person. Yeah, we know. J know. Any
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: other questions or comments or anything like that, Oh yeah, um,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: this is a long time ago. But you were talking
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: about baby it's cold outside and about how those lyrics
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: aren't great. And U there's actually a musician named Lydia
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Eliza who has released a modernized like version of the song,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: like updated lyrics, like she did it like a few
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: years ago. It sounds Spotify and also you can um
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: all the money that goes from that goes to like
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Survivors and a couple of foundations as well, And it's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: like a really funny take on this song. I guess
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: if you like babies Call Outside sort of but you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to listen to the lyrics, that's that's a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: good alternative. Yes, thank you so much. Check that out. Um.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry not to challenge queer icon Raccoon because I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: totally agree, but like, what about queer icon awkward claymation,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Mr Norwal Yes, fully excellent point. Yes, clearly we were
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: not as thorough as we should have been in this episode.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure all the claimations are are they're they're
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: they're all queer, they're all queer. I mean, I don't know,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: maybe that was just my reading of it, but no,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I think queer coded. Yes, yes, I I thought they
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: were all queer coded. That's the stemen from the Rudolph
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: the Red Nose reindeer animated movie. Right, okay, yeah, but
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I agree with Narwhale. I would also argue that penguin,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: what's the story there? You know, maybe that's Buddy's next
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: book is you know? I mean there are a lot
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: of gay penguins. So yes, yes, oh, has no one
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: else read this clickbait because it's true? All right? Well, hey,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: does this movie past the Bechtel test? No, unless you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: count Amy Saidari's talking to another woman on the phone,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I would say, because we don't hear them talking, then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because she is named. Her name is Connie, and they
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: are talking about Decline cats, which talk about a Bechtel
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: test passing scene. If the cats are male cats, I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: still think it would pass. But she's named I think Connie,
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  Speaker 1: And then Amy Sadaris's Character's name is deb But because
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  Speaker 1: we don't hear Connie's voice in her side of the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: I would say that does not pass. The only other
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: time where it comes close where women are interacting is
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: towards the end, whenever Jovi and Mary stein Bergen's character
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Virgin Bergen. I think it's Virgin. They sing at each other,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: but the song is about Santa Claus, so it does
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: not pass. And they're also not actually talking to each other.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: And that's all you get with women interacting in the movie. Elf. Yeah,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: there's really not much happening there. Well, let's write the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: movie on our nipple scale, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, zero
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: to five nipples based on his portrayal of women. I'm
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: gonna give it a half nipple. We're zero it is
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: it even? I think it's zero? Yeah, I'm gonna give
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: it zero nipples because between Zoe's character, which the arc
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: of that is that he harasses her and wears her
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: down into eventually going out with him, and then basically
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: her function in the story is to help him grow
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: is a person, so she doesn't have any sort of
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: her own character, her own stories all just about like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: characterizing him. Mary Steinberger's character, did I say it right?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We've said both ways, so we're gonna
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: be right the chance she is very underwritten, as is
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Amy Saidar's character, like they're just they exist in the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: story to support the men around them. And um, yeah,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: it's a very white movie. It's a very hetero movie.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: So zero nipples. And that's the end of my speech.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'll give it one, okay, give
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: it half of one, okay, because I think, as with
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: most movies we cover, there's a lot of missed potential
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: where at very least I'm going back to one. Okay,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going back to one because especially with Mary stein
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Bergen's character, Uh, there were a lot of trophy pitfalls
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: this character could have gone to that the writer didn't
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: go in that direction and instead win in no direction
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and sort of made her like an inconsequential character where
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you know, and then there's moments where you're like, oh,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Jovie is advocating for herself, she's communicating clearly, don't do this,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: don't do this, but she still ends up with the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: guy that always does it anyways, And so there. I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: think the few female characters we have there is potential
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: in them, but because they never technically get to meet
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: each other, and because of I mean, the whole circumstance
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: of how like you were saying, they only exist as
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: it pertends to male characters, we just lose that. And
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I think that there is you know, a version of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: this story where one of the many male characters is
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: written out to make room for Marrier's always character that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: ends up in a much more interesting movie. Also scary
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: white ist ever fashion north Pole, No, thank you, very freaky.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Um but the claymation was queer, but but queer code
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: and we're coded. Also, why isn't Santa a woman? All
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: female reboot of Christmas? They mentioned Mrs Claws, but it's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: it's just Mrs Claus made that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Ariana Grande Santa is a woman, major Christmas draw calling
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: it maw why not beat a dead horse? Okay, no, yeah,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: So I'll go one strictly on completely missed potential. Uh
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and because there are still parts of this movie that
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I thought I had seen, uh that I thought we're
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: sweet and it's nice to see a leading male character
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: who is not inherently macho toxic. So one nippy and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm giving it to the raccoon. Yeah, I was, Yeah,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna say too, but then
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I realized I was pretty much gonna say everything that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Jamie said. So I feel kind of like I kind
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: of have to bump it down to one and a half.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I do think that the women are often the most
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: interesting characters in this in this movie, and uh and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I like a lot of the actors, you know, I
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: love Amy Sai Arris, I love marysin Virgin Steven Bergkin.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Um So, I I think that there's yeah, there's there's
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: definitely that, and I do think there's there is something
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: sweet and are about like you know, your your biology
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: not being your destiny, and and like there's one there
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: is a message. They're sort of a like I mean,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I guess he does like find his biological family, but
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: it's also it is also like you are also the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: people that raised you, and you know, and that doesn't
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: necessarily have to be the people that brought you into
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the world, you know. And and so I think that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: that is that is kind of a nice message that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: that you find in the movie there. Um So, yeah,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I think I think I probably would have to say
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: one and a half because but I do feel very
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: much like there were missed opportunities and there was more
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: that could be done and it makes me sad that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: that there weren't. Um I do still think that it
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: is like a sweet movie. I think it is very
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: much of its time. There is this like really weird
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: like period. The two thousands were like there were some
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: good movies, but just like the culture I feel like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: of entertainment at that time was really weird, and there
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff that went on that like
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: really shouldn't have and and so like even like the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: movies that are good, or even the movies that are sweet,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: like have this weird you know kind of like Aspertain,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you know, after like after days to them of like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: like that was sweet, but what is this. We've covered
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of those movies on the podcast. Yeah. I
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: always come to the same conclu Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: been I've been listening. I was just listening to Miscongeniality
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: episode and it was like, oh, yeah, right, that was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: sensibly okay back then, it wasn't that long ago that
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: that was okay, that's weird. But yeah, two thousands were
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: culture waste land fight me. That's not true. We had
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: we had mean girls, We had the Wire you know,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: which I which were equal in my eyes? Now? No,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: um no, we had we had you know, we did
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: have culture back there. We had Beyonce. But like it
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: was a very strange, very conservative time. I think there
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of risk taking. Would you like to
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: give your nipples to anyone? Just as little Christmas tokens.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Would would I like to give my nipples to anual
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: not not your sorry Caitlin as a Christmas Ok? Yeah, sorry,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I like I had a sorry. I had a moment
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: of like of like you know, um, I mean I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: would also love to give them to the raccoon, but
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to give them to the kittens
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: that need to be to Claude. Oh yes, thank you
• 1:19:07
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• 1:19:14
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• 1:19:16
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• 1:20:05
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• 1:20:26
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• 1:20:33
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• 1:20:36
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• 1:20:39
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• 1:21:28
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