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- 0:01Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
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- 0:31Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you again for joining us on this episode.
- 0:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we are going to hop right on in.
- 0:38Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we're going to talk about how to turn criticism into creative fuel.
- 0:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You've just done it.
- 0:47Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You poured weeks, maybe months, of your soul into a project, your latest painting, your new song, the first chapter of your novel, a video you bled for.
- 1:01Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You post it online, and for a second, your heart is just pounding in your chest with that terrifying, thrilling mix of excitement and total vulnerability.
- 1:15Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then it hits.
- 1:17Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not a comment on your color theory or your chord progression.
- 1:23Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's a comment that feels like it was designed in a lab to find every single one of your insecurities and press on them with a red hot poker.
- 1:37Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It doesn't just critique the work.
- 1:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The sting is immediate.
- 1:48Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your stomach drops, your face gets hot, and your first overwhelming instinct is to just burn it all down, delete the post, delete the account, throw your guitar in the closet, and never ever create anything again.
- 2:11Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you've ever felt that, this video is for you.
- 2:15Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to walk through that emotional firestorm together.
- 2:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to talk about why it hurts so much, what to do in the first 24 hours, and most importantly, how to build a system for sorting through the noise, finding the hidden signals, and turning even the harshest feedback into the very fuel that will make your next project undeniable.
- 2:49Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The emotional hurricane, why criticism hurts so much.
- 2:55Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now before we can use criticism, we have to be honest about what it feels like, especially when it's personal.
- 3:04Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It can feel like public humiliation, like a judgment on your character, your intelligence, your very right to call yourself creative.
- 3:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's just validate that feeling right now.
- 3:20Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your reaction isn't weakness, it isn't you being too sensitive.
- 3:27Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's a deeply human response.
- 3:31Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's a couple of powerful reasons why creative criticism cuts so deep.
- 3:39Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First, our brains have a negativity bias.
- 3:44Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One popular evolutionary theory is that our ancestors' survival depended far more on noticing the one Russell in the bushes that might be a predator than on admiring the ninety-nine beautiful non-threatening flowers.
- 4:09Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That ancient wiring is still with us.
- 4:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It means our brains are often primed to give more weight to negative information than positive.
- 4:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Ten people say they love your work, but it's the one vicious comment you'll be rereading at 3 a.m.
- 4:32Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then there's more.
- 4:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Neuroscientists have found that intense social rejection can activate some of the same brain regions that are involved in experiencing physical pain.
- 4:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when you say that a harsh comment hurts, you're not just being poetic.
- 4:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your nervous system can interpret a cutting remark as a genuine threat to your social standing, triggering a stress response.
- 5:09Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Second, for many creators, the work isn't just something you do, it feels like something you are.
- 5:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The lines between the art and the artist get blurry.
- 5:24Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're sharing a piece of your inner world.
- 5:28Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when someone attacks that work, you can feel, and it can feel like a direct rejection of you.
- 5:38Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: For many, this connection is what makes creating so meaningful, and also what makes criticism so painful.
- 5:51Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This combination, a brain that latches onto negativity, and a heart woven into the work is a potent cocktail.
- 6:04Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You might feel a flash of anger, a cold wave of shame, or a sense of despair.
- 6:12Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: These reactions are uncomfortable, but they're common signals that something you value has been threatened.
- 6:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The goal isn't to pretend these feelings don't exist, it's to learn how to navigate them without letting them take the wheel.
- 6:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you ever find yourself stuck in a state of persistent despair, it can be really helpful to seek support from a mental health professional.
- 6:47Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The first step to turning criticism into fuel is to simply allow yourself to feel the heat without immediately reacting.
- 7:00Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that brings us to a powerful rule for handling any piece of sharp feedback, which is the cool down protocol.
- 7:14Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your first response is silence.
- 7:18Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When you get hit with criticism, that hurts.
- 7:23Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can enter into a reactive state.
- 7:30Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is about the absolute worst possible time to make a rational decision or type a public response.
- 7:40Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So here's a great rule of thumb.
- 7:43Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: For the next twenty four hours, you do nothing.
- 7:48Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, not exactly nothing.
- 7:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You do nothing public.
- 7:52Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't reply to the comment.
- 7:55Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't delete your post in a panic.
- 7:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't fire off a defensive tweet.
- 8:02Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're creating an emotional buffer zone.
- 8:06Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The purpose of this pause is to give the hormonal storm inside you time to pass.
- 8:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you can shift from a reactive state to a more thoughtful one.
- 8:23Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What you do during this cool down period is key.
- 8:29Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First, step back and step away from the screen.
- 8:35Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Literally, close the laptop, put the phone in another room, the feedback will still be there tomorrow.
- 8:44Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Go for a walk, do the dishes, or hit the gym.
- 8:49Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Physical activity is a fantastic tool for processing the raw energy of anxiety and anger.
- 8:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: While intense exercise can temporarily raise stress hormones, regular activity helps lower your baseline cortisol levels over time and releases endorphins, your body's natural mood elevators.
- 9:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Second, talk to a trusted friend, but be specific.
- 9:27Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Say something like, Hey, I just got some rough feedback and I'm feeling rattled.
- 9:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just need to vent to someone who gets it.
- 9:37Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A good friend isn't there to tell you who is right and who is wrong.
- 9:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're there to remind you that your worth isn't defined by one comment.
- 9:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Third, write it out, but be smart about it.
- 9:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One technique backed by recent research is to write down your angry, unfiltered thoughts about the feedback on a piece of paper and then physically throw it away or shred it.
- 10:17Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A 2024 study from Nagoya University found that participants who wrote down their feelings about a provocation and then discarded a paper saw their anger almost completely vanish.
- 10:37Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The physical act of disposal seems to be key.
- 10:42Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: However, this isn't for everyone.
- 10:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you find that writing an angry rebuttal just makes you angrier, try a different approach.
- 10:56Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Journal about the situation neutrally or write a self-compassionate letter to yourself.
- 11:05Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The point isn't to win an imaginary argument, it's to process the emotion so it loses its power.
- 11:17Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: After you've given yourself this space, you'll notice a shift.
- 11:23Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The searing pain begins to dull.
- 11:28Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The frantic energy recedes.
- 11:31Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're still you, you're still a creator.
- 11:36Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now and only now are you ready to approach the criticism with a clear head.
- 11:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now let's look at the critic sorter, a framework for filtering feedback.
- 11:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, the emotional storm has passed.
- 11:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You've survived.
- 12:00Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now it's time to go back to that comment and look at it not as an attack, but as a piece of data.
- 12:09Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your job is to be a detective and decide what that data is worth.
- 12:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: To do this, we need a sorting system.
- 12:20Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A hateful slur from a troll doesn't deserve the same attention as a thoughtful critique from a peer.
- 12:29Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Think of it as a four bin system.
- 12:35Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The troll destructive feedback.
- 12:39Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know this attack, a slur, or just meaningless vitriol designed to get a reaction.
- 12:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're a hack, or far worse.
- 12:56Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Their motive is irrelevant.
- 12:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Trying to figure them out is a waste of your energy.
- 13:05Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your action?
- 13:07Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Delete, block, report if necessary.
- 13:12Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is basical digital hygiene.
- 13:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You are the curator of your space and have no obligation to host abuse.
- 13:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your mental health is your most important creative asset.
- 13:30Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Protect it.
- 13:32Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In cases of repeated harassment, it's wise to document the comments before deleting.
- 13:40Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But for the average troll, block and delete is your best friend.
- 13:47Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The confused spectator, uninformed feedback.
- 13:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This feedback isn't malicious, but it's misaligned.
- 13:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It comes from someone who is clearly not your intended audience.
- 14:03Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is someone complaining that your heavy metal song isn't quiet enough, or that your abstract painting doesn't look like a photograph.
- 14:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're judging your apple for not being an orange.
- 14:20Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So your action?
- 14:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Acknowledge, but pivot.
- 14:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't need to change your work to please someone who was never going to be a fan.
- 14:33Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: However, don't dismiss this feedback entirely.
- 14:38Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If many people are confused in the same way, it might reveal a blind spot in your communication.
- 14:47Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe your introduction wasn't clear.
- 14:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It can be valuable data about an audience match, or valuable data about an audience mismatch.
- 15:03Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So the hidden gem, which is harsh but potentially useful feedback.
- 15:09Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is the most challenging category.
- 15:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The feedback is delivered terribly.
- 15:16Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's blunt, rude, maybe even insulting.
- 15:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The first half is so boring I almost clicked off.
- 15:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The delivery is garbage, but buried inside might be a tiny sharp piece of truth.
- 15:35Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your action?
- 15:36Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Practice alchemy.
- 15:39Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your task is to separate the hurtful delivery from a useful message.
- 15:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I call this the translation technique.
- 15:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Rephrase the harsh comment into a neutral, actionable question.
- 15:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The first half is so boring becomes where could I improve the pacing in the first half?
- 16:06Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This character's dialogue is cringy becomes does my character's dialogue sound authentic?
- 16:15Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Where could I strengthen their voice?
- 16:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This act of translation puts you back in the driver's seat.
- 16:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It turns an insult into a professional problem to solve.
- 16:30Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Remember, you're not obligated to dig for treasure in a pile of abuse.
- 16:37Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But if you suspect there's a kernel of truth, this technique can help you extract it.
- 16:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The Gift Constructive Criticism.
- 16:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is the gold standard.
- 16:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This feedback is specific, actionable, and focused on the work, not you.
- 17:00Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's clear the person engaged thoughtfully and wants to help.
- 17:06Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It might sound like I love the concept, but I got a bit lost in the second act.
- 17:14Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The character's motivation felt unclear.
- 17:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your action?
- 17:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Treat this like the precious resource it is.
- 17:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Read it carefully, let it sink in.
- 17:29Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If appropriate, thank the person for their time and thoughtful feedback.
- 17:36Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This encourages them to offer such valuable insight again.
- 17:42Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is the feedback you take notes on.
- 17:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is what goes directly into your action plan.
- 17:51Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: From feedback to fuel the action plan.
- 17:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You've weathered the storm and sorted a feedback.
- 18:03Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now you have a collection of useful insights from the gem and gift categories.
- 18:11Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What's next?
- 18:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is where we build.
- 18:15Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is where the fuel ignites.
- 18:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First, look for patterns.
- 18:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A single piece of feedback isn't just one person's opinion.
- 18:28Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Be cautious about making huge changes based on one note.
- 18:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But if you get three, four or five separate pieces of feedback all pointing to the same issue, that's no longer an antidote.
- 18:48Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's a signal that deserves your attention.
- 18:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If one person says your film drags in the middle, that's their opinion.
- 18:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If five people independently say it, that's a strong indicator that you should reexamine the pacing.
- 19:10Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The signal is in the repetition.
- 19:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: An important exception, the expert opinion.
- 19:18Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're writing a historical novel and a historian tells you your timeline is inaccurate, that single piece of feedback carries significant weight on that factual matter.
- 19:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Context and the source's credibility matter.
- 19:40Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Next, transform these points into a concrete action list.
- 19:48Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Move from what's wrong to what can I try?
- 19:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your list shouldn't be fix the boring middle.
- 19:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It should be a series of questions and experience questions and experiments.
- 20:05Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: For example, investigate the pacing of chapter five.
- 20:10Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Can I combine scenes?
- 20:14Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Experiment with a different color grade.
- 20:17Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Try a warmer and cooler version.
- 20:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Read all of my main characters dialogue out loud.
- 20:27Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Does it sound like a real person?
- 20:30Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Brainstorm three alternative endings.
- 20:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What happens if the hero fails?
- 20:38Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This list becomes your roadmap.
- 20:41Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's a series of creative problems you get to solve.
- 20:47Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is where the growth happens.
- 20:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Think of it like a blacksmith forging a sword.
- 20:56Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The initial blade has impurities.
- 20:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It must be heated, hammered, and folded over and over.
- 21:05Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Criticism is that fire and hammer.
- 21:11Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's pressure.
- 21:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But it's also what forces you to refine and strengthen your work.
- 21:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You are the blacksmith.
- 21:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You decide how to use the fire.
- 21:26Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The unshakable mindset, building long-term resilience.
- 21:32Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All these techniques are designed to do one thing build resilience.
- 21:39Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The goal isn't to build armor so thick that criticism never hurts.
- 21:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The sensitivity that makes you an artist is often the same sensitivity that makes criticism sting.
- 21:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The goal is to get better at Processing the sting to shorten the recovery time between impact and action.
- 22:07Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This involves a fundamental mindset shift.
- 22:12Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Replace this idea.
- 22:15Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Criticism is a sign of failure.
- 22:19Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: With this one, criticism is a sign of life.
- 22:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It means you made something.
- 22:27Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It means you were brave enough to put it out in the world where someone could see it.
- 22:33Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Silence is safe, but nothing grows in a vacuum.
- 22:38Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Constructive feedback, even when delivered poorly, is engagement.
- 22:44Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's data.
- 22:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It proves you're no longer creating in the dark.
- 22:50Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Many of the creators we admire most faced walls of criticism.
- 22:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Think about how the Impressionists were ridiculed by the Paris Salon before they were revered.
- 23:07Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Vincent van Gogh sold almost nothing in his lifetime.
- 23:13Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Their resilience became part of the story.
- 23:18Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Ultimately, you are the creative director.
- 23:22Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You decide which notes to take.
- 23:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This process isn't about surrendering your vision, it's about sharpening it by using every tool you have.
- 23:36Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And criticism, when filtered and refined, is one of the most powerful tools there is.
- 23:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So let's bring it all home.
- 23:48Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When that next piece of harsh criticism hits, and it will, remember the plan.
- 23:55Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First, breathe.
- 23:58Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do nothing public.
- 24:00Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let the emotional wave pass.
- 24:03Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Second, become a sorter.
- 24:06Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is it a troll?
- 24:08Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A confused spectator, a hidden gem, or a gift?
- 24:14Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Third, become an alchemist.
- 24:17Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Translate the useful feedback into neutral, actionable questions.
- 24:23Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Look for patterns.
- 24:25Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And finally, become the blacksmith.
- 24:29Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Use that refined fuel to fire up your forge and hammer your work into its next stronger form.
- 24:43Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You are in control.
- 24:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The pain of criticism is real, but so is your power to transform it.
- 24:53Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You get to decide what you build with the fire.
- 24:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now I want to hear from you.
- 24:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What's the best, worst, or most transformative piece of criticism you've ever received?
- 25:07Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And what did you do with it?
- 25:09Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Share your story in the comments.
- 25:12Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Your experience could be the very thing someone else needs to read today.
- 25:21Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of the Voices for Voices podcast.
- 25:27Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can give us a big thumbs up, like, follow, subscribe, share, reshare, repost, word of mouth.
- 25:34Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't have your phone out, get your phone out, reach out to 2550 or 100 of your contacts and share the Voices for Voices podcast with them.
- 25:45Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for being with us.
- 25:46Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And until next time, let's celebrate all the voices in the world and let's be a voice for not only ourselves, but maybe somebody else in need.
- 25:57Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you next time.
- 25:59Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.