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The Bolt Report | 22 June · The Bolt Report

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: He's the gold reform it. Well, we have a resignation.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: We'll go straight into this breaking news. Keir Starmer quit
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: today quick, about two twenty minutes ago like this, I.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Will resign as leader of the Labor Party. I have
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: spoken to His Majesty the King this morning to inform
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  Speaker 2: him of my decision.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: This is incredible. I mean it's just two years ago
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  Speaker 1: that Kios Starmer won a massive election victory. It was
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: just incredible that it's just gone and he's gone with it.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: And this really does turn Britain into the Italy of
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  Speaker 1: the North, about to get its seventh Prime minister now
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  Speaker 1: in just ten years. It's as if Britain is now ungovernable,
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  Speaker 1: two divided, getting poorer. And the job, of course was
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: just too hard for Starmer, in particular, former human rights
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: lawyer and Crown Prosecution boss, who broke down at the
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  Speaker 1: end of his speech outside his Downing Street home.
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  Speaker 2: I shall spend more time on the most important job,
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  Speaker 2: being the best husband I can to my fantastic wife Vick,
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  Speaker 2: who has been a rock by my side through good
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  Speaker 2: times and bad, and being the best dad I can
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  Speaker 2: to my beautiful children who are my pride, are my joy.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. How often do you see it?
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: So many leaders they show their best sides or the
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  Speaker 1: more human size right at the end when it's too late.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: But this is almost Shakespearean. I mean, here is a
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  Speaker 1: man who was brought down as much by his own
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: weaknesses as by the challenges of this torn Britain. Stammer
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: threw away the biggest wins Labourer's hand by being weak,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: by being woke, by being too green, and above all
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  Speaker 1: for what US President Donald Trump posted yesterday when he
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: tipped this resignation. He said, Keirstammer will resign as Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister of the United Kingdom. He felled bad on two
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  Speaker 1: very important subjects, immigration and energy, open North Sea oil.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: I wish him well as if. Stam's poll numbers have
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  Speaker 1: been catastrophic for quite a while, but the end for
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  Speaker 1: him has come with a massive win in a by
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  Speaker 1: election on the weekend. A former Manchester mayor, Andy Burnham,
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  Speaker 1: is now moving back to Parliament to challenge Stammer for
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  Speaker 1: the leadership.
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  Speaker 3: We've been on a path for forty years that simply
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  Speaker 3: hasn't worked for people and places in this part of
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  Speaker 3: the world, and this now is the change moment, we
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  Speaker 3: have an opportunity to turn the tide to make the
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  Speaker 3: country feel like it's working again.
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  Speaker 1: Join Me from London is the our Monday Regular Talk
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  Speaker 1: TV presenter Samara gil Samara, I mean, you know this, this,
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  Speaker 1: you tip this before yourself, But tell us about this,
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  Speaker 1: Andy Burnham and why so many Labor in Peace think
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  Speaker 1: is God's gift to the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. I actually just spent the
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  Speaker 4: sort of last part of the week with Andy Burnham
• 3:25
  Speaker 4: and his team kind of following him around Makerfield and
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  Speaker 4: the country just to see what type of person this
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister in waiting now is, and I've got to
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  Speaker 4: say I was quite surprised. He's very likable, he's very charismatic.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of his constituency really like what he's done
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  Speaker 4: for Greater Manchester and the way that he's been able
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  Speaker 4: to actually nationalize things but quite successfully. I spoke to
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  Speaker 4: some local residents who you know, had had their lives
• 3:54
  Speaker 4: changed by the way that he was able to get
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  Speaker 4: them off benefits and into work through public opportunities as
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  Speaker 4: bus drivers and different things like that. But with all
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  Speaker 4: that being said, it's easy to be mayor. It's easy
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  Speaker 4: to give out the government's money and cut ribbons. He
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  Speaker 4: is somewhat untested and untried as a political candidate. And yes,
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  Speaker 4: he's gone for the leadership two times before, once in
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  Speaker 4: twenty ten and another time in twenty fifteen, unsuccessfully losing
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  Speaker 4: to Jeremy Corbyn. So clearly third time lucky for Andy Burnham.
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  Speaker 4: I do believe it will be some sort of coronation
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  Speaker 4: for him, and potentially not a leadership contest.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect you're right. And now he's hailed High Office
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  Speaker 1: in Westminster in the Parliament there, but his people could
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  Speaker 1: see from even from that small grab, I showed that
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  Speaker 1: this is a man who can talk, you know, directly.
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  Speaker 1: It is not Wooden like Starmer. Wise I think he
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  Speaker 1: can relate that way. But what well, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Samara, that the curiosity though, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Labour's actually getting smeshed from the right by Nigel
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: Faraja's anti immigration reform patty. So why do Labor and
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  Speaker 1: Peace think the answer is getting a leader even more
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  Speaker 1: lift wing than Stammer.
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  Speaker 4: It's a really good question and it goes back to
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  Speaker 4: why kir Starmer was elected in the first place, which
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  Speaker 4: was on a mandate of change, which he absolutely didn't deliver,
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  Speaker 4: and my jaw was on the floor when he was
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: reeling off during that speech. He just made about how
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  Speaker 4: he's improved defense with the Defense Secretary resigning last week,
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  Speaker 4: how he stopped the boats. There's been over seventy thousand
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  Speaker 4: illegal migrants crossing the Channel under his watch. Woefully one
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  Speaker 4: woman died over the weekend in the Channel because of
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  Speaker 4: government incompetence. He hasn't stopped any of the trafficking gangs,
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  Speaker 4: any of the dark and murky waters. And the economy,
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: the economy has completely tanked because of the left wing
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  Speaker 4: policies of Rachel Rie's, who I think will also be
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  Speaker 4: out the door alongside kir Starmer. But I think the
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  Speaker 4: reason that Andy Burnham is so popular and why he'll
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  Speaker 4: probably be able to hopefully group together is because when
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  Speaker 4: you look at the election that happened over the weekend
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  Speaker 4: in Makerfield, he was actually able to garner together a
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  Speaker 4: Lib Lab Green alliance. So what I mean by that
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  Speaker 4: is our Liberal Democrat Party and our Greens voted tactically
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  Speaker 4: for Andy Burnham and he was able to unite them
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  Speaker 4: all in one front. And that's something that the right
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  Speaker 4: wing has had a real problem with Farage has been
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  Speaker 4: basically absolutely come at by Restore, which is Rupert Lowe's party,
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  Speaker 4: and that's another right wing party with very similar sort
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  Speaker 4: of policies, although much further to the right in my view,
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  Speaker 4: and that's been a big problem. The right doesn't tend
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  Speaker 4: to actually mobilize and group together like the left does
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  Speaker 4: and I foresee that as a big issue in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Oh, yeah, absolutely correct. But it's also interesting that
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  Speaker 1: even together, if you had added if you could have
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  Speaker 1: added them up, and Britain doesn't have a preferential voting system,
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  Speaker 1: they Restore and Reform votes were still way under What
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: Andy Burnham actually ended up getting him was a massive win,
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  Speaker 1: which would give Labour some hope that maybe he can
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: re saw their mojo back in London. It was interesting
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: to hear Our Prime Minis Anthony alberin Easy yesterday very
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  Speaker 1: allergic to this idea of a prime minister being replaced
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  Speaker 1: if his Labor party was unpopular and if it was
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  Speaker 1: behind an anti immigration party. It's like you felt someone
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  Speaker 1: was walking on his grave.
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  Speaker 5: Here is can you deal with a prime Minister Burnham
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  Speaker 5: in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it unfolds.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we'll deal with whoever is elected with our partners.
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  Speaker 6: But I must say that the history of just changing
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  Speaker 6: leaders is not a positive one.
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  Speaker 1: So you do heard stability from that?
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  Speaker 6: I think, I think stability is a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, kissam, I try to argue that point. He lost. Well,
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't that argument work over there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Alvin Easy over there is talking about stability
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  Speaker 4: for his job, not stability for the country in my opinion,
• 8:13
  Speaker 4: and that's also what Kirs Starmer was really talking about.
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: He goes, oh, there's the Iran war, then there's this,
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  Speaker 4: then there's that we can't have a leadership change, it
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  Speaker 4: would destabilize the country. Well, the issue was that the
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  Speaker 4: problem was Starma all along, and I think that he
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  Speaker 4: was the one who was actually with his chaotic decision
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  Speaker 4: making the way that he couldn't stick.
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  Speaker 7: To one side. You know, beggar, we had.
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  Speaker 4: Eighty sorry, we had eighteen U turns and thirty government
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  Speaker 4: resets over the past eighteen months. That's what I call
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  Speaker 4: chaos and that's not what I call stability. So when
• 8:50
  Speaker 4: he talks about, oh, we need one leader all the
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  Speaker 4: way through, this is a very communist, socialist type of line.
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  Speaker 4: That they try and use to dupe the public into
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  Speaker 4: thinking that sticking with the same person and doing the
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: same thing wouldn't lead to insanity. Well, it actually was
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  Speaker 4: for the country, and I think it's good riddance to Starma.
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  Speaker 7: It really is.
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  Speaker 4: I think people want something different, whether elected or not,
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  Speaker 4: at this point. That's the level of desperation I think
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  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom has come to.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it was the French Son king who first said
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  Speaker 1: the state is me and I think Keith Sama just
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  Speaker 1: proved it or not. Samara Gill, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: indeed for your time. But to another leader right here
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  Speaker 1: at home is in deep trouble now. Anthony Albanez is
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: of course looking done as a leader. I've said why
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: a few times since the budget. But let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor, because I do think is finished as opposition
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: leader and the Liberals are finished two un as they
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  Speaker 1: replace him, and two things today confirm it. One was
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: the disastrous Capital Brief poll showing the Coalition has lost
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: another quarter of its support in a month to plunge
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: to its low. They have a level just eighteen percent,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: while one nation increased its support but two points, increasing
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  Speaker 1: its lead over Labor as well. Now never before has
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: a coalition vote been this slow, not even under Susan
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: Lee Pacrin. Angus Taylor said, you know the party had
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: to change and die. Will it change and it's staying?
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I said last month when One Nation won the Pharaoh
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  Speaker 1: by election and the Liberals were destroyed, that Taylor looked
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  Speaker 1: friendless at the Liberal election. Note function, Well, I said,
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a dead man walking. And today came
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: another example of why Taylor using another of his clunky slogans,
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: which just scream spin not authenticity.
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  Speaker 8: This budget has been a flop and the flop should
• 10:43
  Speaker 8: be dropped. We should drop the flops. And I'm going
• 10:46
  Speaker 8: to be fighting every day from now to the next
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  Speaker 8: election to drop every single one of those flops, to
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  Speaker 8: drop these flops right, and to ax this tax.
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  Speaker 1: Now many Australians particularly concern is they are desperate for
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  Speaker 1: a leader who says what they mean, mean what they say,
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  Speaker 1: and look like the change they represent, because the polls
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  Speaker 1: tell us vhotos really really do want that change. Does
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor look to you like the leader of change
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: or does Pauline Hanson maybe who well, she looks like
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  Speaker 1: no leader have ever seen before. Whether it's good or
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: bad whatever, it's changed and it's authentic and there's no slogans.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just sounds so tough on Taylor. I don't
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: like to be mean, and apparently he's a very nice bloke,
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: but there's no point in being kind and not when
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: the future of this country is at stake, and certainly
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: the future of the Liberals. Taylor's very smart, is very
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: strong in economics, but that is exactly the point. This
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: should be his time to shine against an Albanizi government
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: that itself that is itself down to just twenty seven
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: percent in the polls. You know that as a leader
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: is a liar and deeply unpopular. Our Prime minister has
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: left Australins poorer and deeper in debt, and inflation rising
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: and growth so lo. This should be bread and butter
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: for Taylor and the Liberals, but he just does not
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: cut through. And part of that, of course, is that
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: both Labor and the Liberals are playing politics as usual
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  Speaker 1: and when my nation support is they want something radically different.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: You know, they want what the old parties have resisted
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  Speaker 1: for so long. You know they want no more mass immigration,
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: no more multiculturalism, no more of this three flags nonsense
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: and the politics of race. They want their country back.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: The opposition leaders should look like they want that too,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: that this mission is branded on their soul, not dictated
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: to them by a focus group or a speech writer.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Now for Marri says Captain and Liberal front bench Andrew Haysey,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: he does at least look like that change. He does
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: look like someone has fought for Australia and does want
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: it back. That I know. As I've said, he's said
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: some wild things lately. Ideologically been a bit over the shop,
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: lacks experience and polish and that's the Liberals tragedy. No
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: no one nation could still implode in the two years
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: were a bit less until the next selection. Very few
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: impressive candidates have put up their hands for it. Very
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: few policies have been fleshed out. Spending promises are really
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: huge and unaffordable. Although again you know, I am the
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Liberals doing well if that's the case of one nation,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: but they're not. And while they still keep falling, the
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  Speaker 1: Albanizi government still odds on to win the next election
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: with preferences to get another three years to destroy our future.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Voters want something else than what the Liberals keep offering
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: and they want it from someone else as well. Meanwhile,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: the pre Minister is now trying to run through his
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: chain the negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: ram it through Parliament with the help of the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: So what are we up to? You know, he first
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: broke his promise, then last week he did a massive
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: backflip to try and limit the damage, and now is
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: plowing on regardless, despite the signs already that just the
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: prospect of these changes is clobed confidence in the housing market.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Last weekend a massive dropping clearance rate adctions compared them
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: to the same weekend two years ago. Massive so now
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: well under fifty percent clearance rates. And meanwhile, independent MP
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Daily Today got under the Prime Minister's skin by asking
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: a question that came with an implied accusation. Of course
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: you had to rephrase remove the allegation of insider trading,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: labor and peace maybe or the relatives may be selling houses,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: something for which I have seen no evidence.
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  Speaker 9: My question is that the Prime Minister, Prime Minister, the
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  Speaker 9: capital gains tax and negative gearing changes announced in a
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: May budget were a significant and market sensitive message, so
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  Speaker 9: significant your government has will already walk past of them
• 15:04
  Speaker 9: back in recent days. Can the Prime Minister give the
• 15:07
  Speaker 9: House a strong assurance that no government MP or their
• 15:10
  Speaker 9: close relations used prior knowledge of those changes for private
• 15:14
  Speaker 9: financial benefits before they're made public.
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: She's got a suggestion or an allegation about anyone in
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: the chambers. She should actually say it what it is,
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: and preferably say it outside order. This isn't a council,
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: this is a serious Parliament.
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  Speaker 9: I think the Prime Minister should have some respect in
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: the House.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: We were very careful, as always.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Occurs joining mister Panel, Stephen Conroy, Formulabu Senator and Cabinet
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  Speaker 1: Minister Peter mcgourn Former Federal Nationals Minister Peter any sign
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  Speaker 1: that the anger at this broken promise the House all
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: their housing taxes, that that anger is easy.
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  Speaker 10: No, there's been no improvement in the for the government
• 16:05
  Speaker 10: since they announced some moderation of the worst aspects of
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  Speaker 10: the capital gains tax against small business. The testimonial testamentary
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  Speaker 10: trusts and But the point is, Andrew, the damage is done.
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  Speaker 1: People know it's going to.
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  Speaker 10: Affect them very harshly. They know it's smashing innovation and
• 16:29
  Speaker 10: in entrepreneurship in this country. So no, I don't know
• 16:35
  Speaker 10: how they dig themselves out of this hole.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Stephens, It's curious. We did want housing prices to be
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: more affordable, but the way they're going down this less
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: this more more affordable or you know, is this going
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to really hurt a lot of people who bought a
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: house thinking it's going to raise in value, only to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: see themselves own backwards.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a couple of different points there. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I think Chris Kenny earlier tonight had a sort of
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: economics forecast a real estate agent expert, and he went
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: through quite a bit of detail. He said, the first
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: sign of the downturning clearance rates was in February when
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: the Reserve Bank put interest rates up, and then that
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: has continued all right. Now there is uncertainty about what
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: the changes might be. There may be more changes next week,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: forced on by the Senate, and so there's a lot
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: of uncertainty. But let's be cleared. Trying to pretend that
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: the auction clearance rates the budget is the only thing
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: that's affected. It ignores the Reserve Bank's idiotic behavior over
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: the last six months, where it's been raising interest rates
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: and crushing the economy. So I don't think I didn't.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Call anyone saying only, I don't think anyone's saying only, Well,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: now you're the only one saying only, because it's a mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it's a mix, and this has to be one of them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: But Peter Dailey's insinuation without evidence, the implication that maybe
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: there was some labor INPs or the relatives barring of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: selling houses to get ahead of the announcement, Like I said,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen no evidence of that. Would the primeise have
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: been better off just giving a categorical assurance that this
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: would not have happened, and is making the checks, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: just that these people's suspicions.
• 18:31
  Speaker 10: No, he probably did have to allow himself a certain
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: amount of wriggle room Andrew, but he should have been
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: far more courteous, serious minded and brief to die League.
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: I mean, Diely is a serious politician. She won that
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: seat against Christina kennearly and she's been re elected and
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: she's very popular. And remember the Liberals didn't pre select
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: her in five contests, so how stupid are they? So
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: I think he bungled the answer, but he couldn't give
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: a blanket guarantee just in case.
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  Speaker 11: However, unlikely.
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: It appears she does have some material.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister Stephen is also having trouble attacking One Nation,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it seems to me without a boomeranging back at him
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: saying that the Liberals are having the same problem. Here
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is Yesterda and Ska News trying to make Paul Hnsen
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: seem the puppet of billionaire Gina Reinhardt.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: One Nation pretend that they stand for battlers whilst getting
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: planes given to them by Australia's richest person, while receiving
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: donations from some of the very wealthiest people.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: But Scarne News is Oscar Godsaw has gone through donation
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: records and found many many more billionaires backed Labor, including
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: another Marning billionaire, Andrew Forrest and Anthony Pratt and Kerrie
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Stowe and Harry Triggerboff and Edward Craven and Dick Honan
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of others. That does that mean but
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the same coin that Labor also isn't a worker's party.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the difference between all of those people
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: making donations is they're not solely owning and controlling the
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: Labor Party. The Labor Party has its own policy development process.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: We've welcomed donations, both sides of welcomed donations. We're now
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: at a stage where there's going to be some important
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: changes that will limit the amounts that any billionaire can
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: do to try and buy an election, and I welcome
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: that as well. But in terms of there's a very
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: clear difference. Sky has gone and done their work, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: that's good, quick work and smart, smart work. But the
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: truth is they do not control the Labor Party's policy agenda,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: the cabinet's decisions, whereas clearly from some of the statements
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: of paul and Hanson's been making that now starting to
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: reflect Gena Reinhart's positions. I think that's the substantial difference.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: The Pauline Hanson had one opinion. Are you saying Paulin
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and Hanson in one opinion and Gina Reinhart made her
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: argue the other Or is it just possible that two
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: conservatives could agree from conservative causes? I don't know.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Well, what do you think pony one trick pony for
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: years and a line with Gina you are really what
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: do you think?
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: Absolute nonsense? Of course they're they're fellow believers, they've been
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: close for many years. Their policies line up on immigration,
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: energy policy, resources and so off. But what I do find, Andrew,
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: just store it away for the future. The Prime Minister
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: rarely chances his arm. You wouldn't accuse him of having
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: the heart of a line. He might be reacting to
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: some of their polling by throwing out this line of
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: his because the Labor Party would be extensively quantitatively and
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: qualitatively polling to try to find some way of attacking
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: one nation, and they might have come up with this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't doubt you at all. Don't doubt that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: one little bit. Just quickly, Stephen, what happened to Keir Starmer,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a Labor leader facing an anti immigration party polls down
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the toilet gets replaced? What should Hew but easy think
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of that?
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I think there is messages just like those messages
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: from Marga in the US. There's a message there for
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the government. It can't take this lightly. And most importantly,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: some of the institutions of our democracy, you know, compulsory voting,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: preferential voting, incredibly important for democracy. What the government mustn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: do is assume that those two institutional factors can protect
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: them from the Pauline Hanson wave that's there at the moment,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: because you've got to finish second so you can get
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: other people's preferences if your primary voter is third on.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: The Liberal Party and the National Party are finding this
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: out as they did in Farah. They're eliminated. So those
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: institutional things like preferential voting and compulsory voting will not
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: protect the Labor Party and they shouldn't be smug or
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: complacent about this.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Well said, although I'm wondering whether that's volley three at
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the Victorian Labor Party or a message to the Feds,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but I'll ponder that afterwards. Stephen Conroy a bit of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a going thank you very much to you both after
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the break. Pauline Hanson's wore a multiculturalism. We'll talk to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: an historian who knows where this poison comes from. Now.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: One big reason Pauline Hanson is dominating in the polls
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: is that she's the only leader campaigning against not just
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: mass immigration but multiculturalism. And you may have heard a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: big speech last week. It was condemned by every one
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of the big parties for this bit.
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: In particular, we cannot be a multicultural society. We are
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: a multi racial society, but we must be mono cultural
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: Australians must live under the one cultural umbrella.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Now. I said last week that Hans's use of the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: word monoicultural there was probably ill chosen or at least
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: badly explained, and she later did clarify she just meant
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a monocultural public policy, not monoculture in your own home,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: so I don't have to throw away my clogs. But
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the misunderstanding of what she did mean is in turn
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: based on a fundamental ignorance or deceit of what multiculturalism
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: really is. Not the obvious fact that we all come
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: from many cultures. It's actually a government policy to help
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: us stay divided by culture, with government grants and the rest,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and Paul after poll shows Australians hate that government should
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: be about uniting, not sponsoring what divides. Join me is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: doctor Mark Lopez. Here's, in fact, the author of a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: great book, The Origins of Multiculturalism in Australian Politics, the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: best history of really years ago, the best history of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: how we got this ridiculous and destructive policy. Mark Lopez.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you again. What is multiculturalism
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: really and whose dumb idea was it to make it
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: government policy?
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: Look it was always a very divided ideology, and it
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: is an ideology. Don't slip into saying it's a descriptive term.
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: It's an ideology and always has been an ideology, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: there are different versions of it. Now the version that
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: you're most concerned about has become the dominant version, which
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: is about creating ethnic structures, like you've got multiple Australias.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: See.
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: One of the secret weapons of multiculturalism when it first
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: came out was actually assimilation because a lot of the
• 26:19
  Speaker 13: migrant streams were picked for their assimilability. The rates were
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: of immigration was modified for it to allow assimilation to
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: take cur to occur. Many migrants assimilated quite willingly. But
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: now you've got a situation where you've got multiple ethnic
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: communities funded, organized, So the assimilation isn't just into the
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: Australian community, it's into these distinct groups. As we saw
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: the welcoming committee for the Isis Brides when they got
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: back to Melbourne. You know that's a distinct community. That's
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: something else entirely.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, look, I must say, you know where my parents
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: came out here. I didn't see Dutch churches being funded
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: by governments. Now I see governments funding mosques, including mosques
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that happened to be praising the mourning the death of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Iran's former supreme leader. I mean, it's quite extraordinary what's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going on. And in fact, the way it goes is
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the most unassimilated people tend to get the most money,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: whereas those who assimilate do not because they're not different.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Whose idea, Like, I asked, who was it who thought
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: this was a great idea for a government policy?
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: Well, look, we've certainly, as you've pointed out, we've gone
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: from a multiculturalism of pizza and pilaffels to a multiculturalism
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: of black hoodies, molotov cocktails, machetes and the occasional sniper.
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: So there are some serious problems here. But look, it
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: was never a government idea. It came from a group
• 28:00
  Speaker 13: of activists.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: There were some.
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: Protestant church people, but we're talking for very small numbers,
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: some sociologists, some activists, and they developed this ideology and
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: they did so it's not Australia actually was a leading
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: movement here for multiculturally, but a movement of a tiny
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: little policy community. And what they did is they captured
• 28:25
  Speaker 13: control of the sources of government advice and in that
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: got their ideas in. Now, there was never a movement
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: for multiculturalism in the migrant communities.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: There just wasn't.
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: And even the diary entries of these activists show their
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: frustration at their inability to get all these migrant communities.
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: There was never a pan ethnic consciousness. When the migrant
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: communities got involved, it was as leaders for their specific groups.
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: But multiculturalism had an element of moving. It was hostile
• 29:01
  Speaker 13: to the Britishness of Australia. It was hostile to a
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: lot of the things that really worked. As I said, well,
• 29:07
  Speaker 13: monticulturalism had assimilation worked better for it because it allowed
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: a lot of a lot of the changes to be accommodated,
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: watered down and made more effective. But that's that's really
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: limited it. It's assimilation, but assimilation into what.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why. Of course, what you say explains
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: why it developed into a creed of praising every culture
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but our own. I mean, that is just so really obvious.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: This was a project of the left. Yes, this is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a project of the left and not of the immigrants themselves.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: They wanted to come here because it was Australia. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the left to say, oh, we don't like that we're
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: better fund your culture instead. And finally, has this ever
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: been a popular thing?
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: You?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Look, you've studied the polls in this book. It's never
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: been a popular thing, all of them.
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: All of them poles.
• 30:02
  Speaker 13: Now, when it came in, I estimate from I read
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: all the available material about ninety percent against. It had
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: to be brought in via the top, and it did
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: find a constituency, But the biggest constituency for it was
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: the politically correct left as they were emerging at the time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: They were putting down their anti Vietnam War and anti
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: conscription banners and started taking up with anti racism and multiculturalism.
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: That became the biggest constituency.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And that created problems for.
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: A lot of multicultural activists because once they started to
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: create the multicultural bureaucracy, these are the people who staffed it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what this is exactly why pull
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: enhances on a winner with this attack of multiculturalism, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: why the Liberal party should have a big new think
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: about the whole issue. Mark Lepez, thank you so much
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: for your time. Really appreciated and great, I mean appraise
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you be for this book. But I'll say it again,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: very important book. After the break the ABC's bias exposed
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Howard's censored women's rights campaigner sal Grover for offending, allegedly
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in their eyes, transgender activists. One good thing about Paul
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and Hansen's rise as she might finally punish the ABC
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: for stealing our taxes to become a megaphone for the left.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: The liberals have talked about this for age all going
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to be really tough on the ABC, and they never do.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You just take its latest amazing censorship. Now, LUs December,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the ABC's editorial director, he pretended that the national broadcast
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: so really was impartial. Is this pretense that really gets me?
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: It's impartial. In fact, according to him, the ABC was
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: committed to telling both sides of the debate.
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: It falls upon us more to ensure that different competing
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: inspectives that put forward so the audience can make up
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: their own minds.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Pants on fire. But Salgrover is the latest of fine,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that's a complete joke. She's the woman who has been
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: ordered by our courts to pay conversation to a biological
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: man now identifying as a woman called Roxanne Tickle for
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: not letting Tickle join her online women's only group. Now
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Grover then read on the ABC website an article saying
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: this judgment was great. It ended the debate on what
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a woman was, so of course she sent in a rebuttal. Right,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it's the woman right at the center of this. Hey,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that's not right. This is my side of the argument.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: She was originally told, oh, very good piece by the ABC,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: very good piece. And then came the ducking and the weaving,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and the maybe a rewriting, and a numbing and a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: num and finally a big no. The ABC said, oh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you've overstated your case. You've made inaccurate comments which you
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: didn't specify. Well you said, you said sex was a
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: biological fact, and the effect is to single out transgender
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: persons for particular and perhaps unwarranted detention. Joining is Rachel
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Wom CEO of Women's Forum Australia, which is a women's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: rights groups grouped that's been backing sale Grover all long. Rachel,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Is the ABC
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: right to say no to publishing this article?
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: Good evening, Andrew, No, I don't think it is.
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: This is the woman who is at the center of
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: the most high profileer's rights case in the country, who
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: the ABC has never sought an interview from So now
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: she has submitted her own opinion piece to the ABC,
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: and instead of publishing it and giving her a fair hearing,
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: it has rejected it, saying that there are so called
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: inaccuracies and overstatements, without specifying what those are.
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: Now she's engaged in this process and good faith.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: If you read her correspondence, you read her rewrites, you
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: can see how patient and.
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: Constructive and respectful she's been. But that wasn't enough.
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: Fractice at the ABC who have been completely captured by
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: gender idiology, and what really gets me is that they
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: haven't applied the same standard to the piece that's our
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: responding to.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: So she's responding to this.
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: Article by laud Viza Paula Gerber, who, in my opinion,
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: has made multiple statements that are inaccurate and multiple overstatements,
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: calling Giglanta call a wind woman's rights, saying that it
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: has settled the idea of what a woman is. Obviously
• 34:24
  Speaker 14: these things are all disputed, which is why the case
• 34:26
  Speaker 14: has been in the court for the last few years
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: and why Salas appealing it to the High Court.
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: And so I just think it's ridiculous.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. And they don't even have the old
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: excuse of a newspaper. Oh we've got limited space. We're
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: talking about internet space. It could run the Encyclopedia Britannia
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and not to run out. Does the ABC actually have
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a duty do you think to publish this? I mean,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you know people are arguing, oh, well, you know, just
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: because I want to write something doesn't mean you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the Herald Sun has to run it or the Daily
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Telegraph has to run it. You know, they've got editorial
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: standards and judgment and right to say no, does it
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in this case?
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: Look, the ABC is a public, tax payer funded entity
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: and it's got a duty to be independent and partial
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: and tell both sides of the story. ABC hasn't done
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: that in relation to issues of sex and gender for.
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: Years, not just this case.
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: If it had been a one off case, Oh it
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: didn't publish one article, maybe that would be one thing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: But it has a.
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: Pattern of responding to stories about sex and gender either
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: completely ignoring them or waving the transflag, and you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: pushing back against women's sex based rights, promoting medical gender
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: interventions for vulnerable children and young people.
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: And so it's got a pattern and I don't think
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: that it can just say no, we're not going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: publish this.
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: I think that it has to really give a fair
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: go to women's sex based rights, which it hasn't done.
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: And the fact that it apparently cut formal ties with
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: ACON Transloby Group ACON earlier in the year was clear
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: just to Pista because it hasn't changed how it's approaching
• 35:59
  Speaker 14: the issues at all. I think that's very very clear
• 36:02
  Speaker 14: from this case. And I also think that the ABC
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: isn't fulfilling US mandate. I think it needs to be
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: defunded along with the transphobe Group ACON as well.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it's totally unreformable. Unreformable. The liberals
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: who say I will get in and will make it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a balance and all that's rubbish. It never will be balanced.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's just too ingrained and the staff for just one
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: b collective forget it won't happen. But Rachel, you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I got to say. This is Scott Stevens of the ABC.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I have had dealings with them before. He's actually got
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a long history of not being that keen on debate.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Way back ten years ago, I noted is reaction to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the public debate back then over two mass murders, notorious
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: mass murders committed by g hardists, saying, it seems to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: me that we are going through a period in the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: West of a moral regression, and because of that, I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: wondering whether we, as moral agents can still be trusted
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with a privilege of freedom of speech, by which he
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: means seems to mean to me that the ABC does
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: not trust you with your free speech. Is there any
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: reason to say, well, look, this article using this kind
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of argument would cause a lot of hurt to transgender
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: people who are marginalize, and it's best not to offend them.
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: I mean, the editorial comments that came back in relate
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: to this particular piece were that terms.
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: Like biological reality and truth and so on were offensive.
• 37:30
  Speaker 14: So if that's the standard we're applying, I don't think
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: there's going to be any pieces published by the ABC
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: that are critical of gender ideology and what's going on
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: in relation to malasine fighting as women and women's only
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: spaces and so on. So I mean, if that's the threshold,
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: then yeah, sure, every piece that is defending women's six
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: space rights and that is talking about biological reality is
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: going to be considered offensive.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Well, Rachel, may I just advise you in future to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: weaponize your own hurt feelings until the ABC every time
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: they're considering publishing a pro transgender piece, that your feelings
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: are outraged and hurt and distressed, then you're on the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: edge of I don't know what and police could they
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: not publish anymore. I assume that it's the same rule
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: for all, or maybe some victims are more privileged than others.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Rachel Wong, thank you so much indeed for your time,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: really appreciated. After the break, is the Prime Minister putting
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: paul In Hans's life in danger? Where is the security
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that she needs? The panel next now a week ago
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: privately told one nation that the couple of security guys
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I saw defending paul In Hanson were just not enough,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: not with you or the death threats she was getting. Now,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: no offense to those guys. They are volunteers that are
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: doing it for that are protecting Hanson. They are not paid,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: They are ex army off their own bat But since then,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Hans's daughter Lee says she's been getting death threats too,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and has urged the governor to take her mother's security seriously.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Where are the police. But this was the Prime minister's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: response of the weekend to one nation's request.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: They have pe decide their things independently based upon their assessments.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: This is not These decisions are not political.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Joining me and Lisa Godard, former foreign correspondent and founder
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of ad only Media, and scorning you so Didikadi Georgia. Lisa,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: is this something the Prome Minister really should intervene in,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: not just leave it to the AFP.
• 39:31
  Speaker 15: Well, Andrew, you only have to look at the rhetoric
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: around the country, and you, yourself and your column was
• 39:35
  Speaker 15: talking about the threats that have been yelled at Pauline
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: Hanson for her to die and for one nation to end.
• 39:42
  Speaker 15: The threats are there and long before what we saw
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: at the press club. She is copying abuse. She is
• 39:47
  Speaker 15: getting the protests that are staying to build again like
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  Speaker 15: we saw three decades ago when she first rose to prominence.
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  Speaker 15: So it is I think there is a responsibility on
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  Speaker 15: behalf of our Prime minister for her to be kept safe.
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  Speaker 15: Everybody who was in public office has a right to
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  Speaker 15: feel safe, and I can't imagine the abhorrent threats that
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  Speaker 15: both Lee, Paul Enhndson and threats against Lee's children are
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  Speaker 15: receiving and right now in this country, the fact that
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  Speaker 15: she is going out, that she is so high profile
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  Speaker 15: and she is not being protected, that is a blight
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  Speaker 15: on this country.
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  Speaker 1: Now it seems that I fuss has worked. I'm told
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  Speaker 1: that we do finally now by one nation, we do
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  Speaker 1: have now police. So I'm trying to clarify when exactly
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  Speaker 1: that happened. It seems to me quite recent. But Denika,
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  Speaker 1: to me, it is something the Prime Minister should intervene in.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe has now despite what you just heard, Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: has that. I don't know because I think God forbid
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  Speaker 1: and the chances are small. But should anything ever happen,
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  Speaker 1: the political and social consequences in this country, if anything
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  Speaker 1: happening to Anson would be horrible.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be. And we only need to look
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  Speaker 7: to the United States for example.
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  Speaker 16: Andrew at what has happened when you know, some deranged
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  Speaker 16: person goes and tries to take matters into their own hands.
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  Speaker 16: And how many assassination attempts have there been on Donald
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  Speaker 16: Trump's life. Now, I'm obviously not saying and suggesting that
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  Speaker 16: that's going to happen here, But what I am saying
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  Speaker 16: is all it takes is one person and.
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  Speaker 7: We know that the threats they do go far. That's
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  Speaker 7: how I'm trying to put it.
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  Speaker 16: But absolutely Anthony Alberesi should be reviewing security at all times.
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  Speaker 16: I certainly hope that he has based on the information
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  Speaker 16: you have received, because Anthony Aberzi knows firsthand what it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 16: like to be a targeted figure. It was only a
• 41:35
  Speaker 16: couple of months ago he had to be evacuated from
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: the lodge because of a bomb threat. All prominent members
• 41:40
  Speaker 16: of Parliament, in fact, all parliamentarians for that matter, should
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: be having.
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  Speaker 7: Their security reviews quite regularly.
• 41:46
  Speaker 16: They are threat under threat, but especially Pauline Hanson. She
• 41:50
  Speaker 16: is considered to be a controversial figure. Though what I
• 41:53
  Speaker 16: would say is what she says is non controversial. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: in the end it is up to Anthony Aarberenesi because
• 41:59
  Speaker 16: that department falls on his desk. He says, no, turn
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: the temperature down. The problem is if he's been saying
• 42:05
  Speaker 16: that for the last two three years and nobody is listening.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Andrew, Andrew, can I jump in yes and yes please?
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  Speaker 15: Do you also have so many politicians in this country
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  Speaker 15: like iting Hansome to Trump and as Danika said, no one,
• 42:19
  Speaker 15: No one wants to see any threat against anybody's life.
• 42:22
  Speaker 15: But you've got the retoric being turned up here comparisons
• 42:25
  Speaker 15: to her and Trump and even Knowledgefrage. You know what
• 42:28
  Speaker 15: threats are made against them, as Danika said, You've had
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: the assassination attempts on Trump. Surely in that environment, she
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: has to be given the protection that is required, because again,
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: if you look at the press club, I was there,
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: I was told it is the only time every entrance
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: to that press club was covered by police protection, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: even then you were able to see the protests happen
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: inside like we did.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm afraid here the evidence is pretty clear.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's threats from both sides, both extremes to politics.
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  Speaker 1: But right now this seems to be great threat from
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  Speaker 1: the left, the sort of celebrating of what they called militancy.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the defense of hamas Terrists. I mean,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's just extraordinary. The ABC Denika refusing to publish Salgrove's
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  Speaker 1: opinion piece, which we were discussing before the break. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure how on earth the National broadcaster
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: could justify that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 16: I do not know how they could justify it once
• 43:25
  Speaker 16: again doesn't pass the pub test, and once again our
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: national broadcaster, whom we are paying.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Misses the mark entirely.
• 43:31
  Speaker 16: They are so obsessed with protecting this very small percentage
• 43:36
  Speaker 16: of the population, a tiny, tiny small percent.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: It's this runaway trans train. But when it comes to
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: the rights.
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: Of everyday Aussie women and everyday girls, now they don't
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: want to know about it. And the most bizarre thing
• 43:49
  Speaker 16: about this, Andrew, is that they were happy to publish
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: an opinion piece.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: There was even an opinion piece.
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: That was published in May of this year after Salgrover
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: lost that appeal, and they were and it was, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 16: guess more favorable.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Towards Rock Santickle. I took a screenshot of it. I
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: just want to read this bit.
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: It says Australia should be proud of the fact that,
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: unlike the UK, we have contemporary anti discrimination laws that
• 44:12
  Speaker 16: protect all women, and that courts are willing to interpret
• 44:15
  Speaker 16: and apply the laws in ways that are consistent with
• 44:17
  Speaker 16: human rights norms and modern science. Now, I don't think
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: you have to be a scientist. I'm certainly not a
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: scientist to know what the science is. The science is
• 44:25
  Speaker 16: very basic. You're either a man or you're a woman.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: But they're happy to publish this sort of nonsense Andrew.
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: Yet they couldn't publish Soal Grover's commentary. It is ideological
• 44:36
  Speaker 16: bias and it is seeping through every single day.
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  Speaker 7: It is an absolute waste of our money.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to needlessly offend anyone who's transgender.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm grateful to the transgender woman who taught
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: me how to drum for a dance spand back when
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I was seventeen, grateful for the friendship of a prom
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: transgender person who served in the Australian Army. Hello do
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you Catherine. That's not what it's about. But I am
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: very pro free speech. Does the ABC, reasoning that maybe
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: this would hurt the kind of people I've mentioned, Lisa,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: does that actually justify censoring this article?
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: Well, Andrew, you have an article here which the ABC
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: described as very very good. The problem is that it
• 45:28
  Speaker 15: was very very unpublishable by ABC standards apparently, So if
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: you talk about some of the reasons that we've uncovered,
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: you know, it was alleged that sel accused el sel
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: Go over an overstatement in terms of the extent to
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: which change changes to the Sex Discrimination Act present a
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: threat to women, so they don't want this discussion to
• 45:47
  Speaker 15: be had.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: And you're absolutely right.
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: It shows that the ABC are very bias when it
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: comes to where they sit in this argument. They don't
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: obviously believe that the sex discrimination actually should be changed,
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: and they don't want anything published on this taxpayer funded
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: outlet that would push that argument forward.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Well, if there's any doubt that to anyone that the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: ABC is censoriously to the left, here is a prime example. Meanwhile,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Danika Angus Taylor now near the top of the show. Again.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I feel bad picking on helpless things, nice things, fluffy things,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: but Angus Taylor, he's just not coming through. It's quite extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: I heard even today on Sky News. I was doing
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a great job, and you know, maybe by the ordinary
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: standards of politicking, is doing a great job. But the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: problem is the ratings are going through the toilet. What
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: is the problem here?
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: I think the problem is with the messaging and the
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: cut through. Okay, we look at him, say versus Pauline Hanson.
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: Pauline Hanson, We'll tell you, quite frankly, upfront and to
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: your face, what is wrong with this country and she's
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: not afraid to say it, and she's talking every day language.
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: She's talking the way that you're talking at your dinner table,
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: the way families are sitting there having this conversation when
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: they're going we are really worried about the direction this
• 47:09
  Speaker 16: country is going is going in.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: We have got too many people, some who've been brought.
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: Into this country who hate us, hate our values, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 16: don't want to assimilate. She's having these conversations and she's
• 47:19
  Speaker 16: delivering it in a way that resonates. I like Angus
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: Taylor for what it's worth, and I think that he
• 47:25
  Speaker 16: has been a much better leader in the Liberal Party
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: than what Susan Lee was for instance. But today, for example,
• 47:31
  Speaker 16: he was talking again against Pauline Hanson and saying, well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: she wants to divide people by the color of their skin.
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: Was it was along those lines, which is absolutely.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous. That's that's not what's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. And that is the problem because she hadn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: said it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It was verbling her. I know, I know, I know this.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So look we're all picking now on Angus Taylor and
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Lisa say something kind and helpful.
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  Speaker 7: Oh Andrew, that's not fair.
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  Speaker 15: Because I listened to you earlier in the program that
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: the drop the flop all we're hearing from Angus Taylor.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: And look, I do messaging for a living.
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: All we're hearing from Angus Taylor. He seems to be
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: a walking robot that's just delivering talking point after talking point.
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: Remember this is a It was about convenience and now
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: we're going to be about conviction. What we need from
• 48:21
  Speaker 15: Angus Taylor is conviction because right now you've got Tony
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: Abbot hitting the phones to try to secure whatever membership
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: base the Liberal Party has left. So that doesn't speak
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: volumes of confidence in Angus Taylor right now. So I think,
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: as in average Australian, they want to see him talking
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: about the issues that Pauline Hanson is talking about. They
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: want to see him not read off talking points and
• 48:41
  Speaker 15: actually put some heart and soul into it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And I also think, I mean, just looking as you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: spoke to the overlay of Angus Taylor with their drover's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: hat on, you know, it's like, who why wouldn't people
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: tell Tony Abbott not to walk like a drunken's you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: a sailor and a heaving ship. Why didn't someone tell
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Bill Shorten don't go and runs with that paddle like action.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Don't wear that damn hat. It does look silly. There's
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: no one doing the very very basics. But anyway, there
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you go. That's just me. Trivial. Lisa god Danika to Georgio,
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  Speaker 1: thank you both very much. Coming up now, Sherry Markson's show,
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  Speaker 1: hosted bay Krala Marcus. Goodnight,